Post gear, discuss gear
Fire extinguishers by popular demand.
Previous: >>63875731

>tactical fire extinguisher
Thanks Santa, that's what I always wanted

>>63891057
Good news
https://shop.blazedefensesystems.com/shop/ols/products/drop-leg-pouch-aerosol-kit
It comes in dropleg

>>63891004 (OP)
IT'S ALWAYS LARP UNTIL IT ISN'T

>>63891004 (OP)
>he doesn't daily a fire truck
NGMI with your little cope extinguisher

>>63890126
>>63890051
>>Shot
>Chainsaw'd? Car crash'd? Forklift'd? Many such cases.
Learn first aid and get the shit to do it. It's not just about guns.

We face real world hazards every day, best to learn how to handle shit. Anecdote: I work a warehouse job. I took a day off to go haul an ATV to my cabin. Same day a guy at my work smashed his leg between his forklift and a pallet rack. My friend at work had to TQ his leg with something ad-hoc while it took 25 minutes for EMS to arrive.

It's time to get practical.

And tactical.

and even...penurious.
(The above FAK guide will be heavily revised soon as per previous thread)

Need suggestions for a fatass dump pouch which can handle .308 mags. Ideally one with some sort of top so shit doesn't fall out immediately.

>>63892087
varusteleka sells an extra long dump pouch

>>63892087
If you want fatass buy a sustainment pouch off of ebay for twelve bucks. Has a top with two straps for retention purposes. Mine can fit six MKA-1919 ten round shotgun mall ninja magazines, so .308 will not be an issue.
Alternative is an IDOGear GP pouch, 9.6" tall with a top so it can easily handle long magazines. The Ido pouch is chinesium, but it's... okay.

Even in the market for a new carrier and IIIA inserts to pair with my IV plates; how’d I do? (Inserts made in 2017)

>>63892146
It's a2's favorite manufacturer (I think...) of breaching tools, so pretty good for $72.

>tfw your side plates order gets delayed because of "world events"
feelsbadman.jpg

>>63892186
Midwest or Apex, call it.

>>63892164
Cool, my only breaching tool is this mini pry bar by “Roman Tactical”. Looks like the QD side panels aren’t cheap but I’ll still make out by selling my old (Vel-Tye) rig.

How do you guys feel about double stacking your mags on your plate carrier? I used to be kind of against it since it makes going prone more difficult, but I think I may be changing my tune. It doesn't seem that bad when I try it.

>>63892355
I triple stack broski no problem. Condor lyfe. Single stack a psyop so you run outta bullets.

Condor works. Use the money saved to put towards force multipliers like thermals, training, and becoming a general practioner.

>>63892193
lol, just no.
But, of the two, Midwest is better. Apex is shit.

>>63892412
They're both way behind on orders, but Midwest WILL make it right if you raise hell like a biyaatch on reddit. Apex is sleepy.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER YOUR ENTIRE PLAN IS GONNA GO UP IN SMOKE
WHAT IS A $10,000 THERMAL IN A PILE OF ASH? MCDONALDS.

>>63891004 (OP)
My range bag has a molle panel on the interior, and I'd like to mount a holster to it. Are there any of these canvas molle holsters that aren't shit?

>>63892116
>a top with two straps for retention purposes.
You mean like a canteen pouch?

>>63892578
I typed that in a hurry and was thinking of the MOLLE straps, my bad. There's one adjustable buckle up top for the "lid" - there's two MOLLE straps at the top and two on the bottom for use with a backpack. I just use the top MOLLE to retain the pouch to my belt.
Think of it like a super-sized canteen pouch. Only way I've found to carry large quantities of 10 round MKA-1919 magazines. It's poorfag but works.

Bystanders looking at one of us go:
>"H-he's fast, he's well-equipped, he's heavily armed, he can save a life, he can put out a fire, he can breach an entrance, he's GAY"

>>63892688
>H-he's fast
Working on that, my two mile time is a 13:31. Not great, needs work.

Alright, after I've got the FAK guide updated with the stuff from last thread, does anyone have pointers for a fitness infographic? I think that's the rational next step.

>>63891004 (OP)
Is flatline fiber co good?

>>63892816
For what, specifically? I have their dump pouch, IFAK pouch and sling. I like them all for what I needed them to do. As far as belt mounted IFAKs go, I like the Coyote Tactical Burrito and STOMP as well.

>>63892044
Since PAPR was mentioned, I'd add the C420 in the SCBA/escape hood area

>>63892705
>Alright, after I've got the FAK guide updated with the stuff from last thread
I'd suggest going ahead with the part two for your IFAK infographic first.
A decent starting point might be https://theprepared.com/bug-out-bags/guides/first-aid-kit-list/

>>63892446
They are all shit but they are fine for a range bag because you won't be drawing from them

>>63893341
I noticed a lot of cheap papr pop up on Amazon recently
Kinda tempted to get one to mess with, will probably need a better housing for the pump

I do thank you anons for these ifak infographics. I recently purchased a tourniquet from VS and have been slowly charting out what I should be buying to add to a first aid kit for myself/others when I go shootan or other activities. Found a guy who also wrote up a civilian ifak content suggestion guide that focuses on also addressing small issues like cuts etc.

>>63894957
Why don't you just buy a kit from NAR or Rescue Essentials or something like that? Price difference is negligible and you'll get quality shit and the right shit instead of hodgpoging some kit together. They even have different kits for different needs so you're not limited. I don't know why this thread makes it so hard on themselves, is it just to save sub $10?

>>63894978
Found sirk2s on eBay the other day for $80, not the cheapest they've ever been but still pretty good, NAR will rape you if you try and buy directly

>>63891004 (OP)
My country (Sweden) demands that I have a locked storage locker for my guns. Are there any lockers that are transparent so I can see my guns while they're locked away?

>>63895097
Är dina föräldrar syskon, eller drack din mamma lacknafta under graviditeten?

>>63895097
These used to be more popular in the US before the negros started getting uppity

>>63891803
forgive my ignorance whered you get that seatbelt cutter sheathe? and what plate carrier is that

>>63895124
Mayflower APC
The cutter is a Gerber and it comes in SIRK2 ifak kits

>>63895124
https://www.ebay.com/itm/297408507408
mayflower APC

>>63895097
Why would you want it to be transparent?

Sun hoodies, does /gq/ wear any for the painfully hot days? What do you prefer? I'm looking at Outdoor Research and Kuiu but also weekend gunner has some now though his logo ruins them.

Good news guys, my side plates shipped. You all can rest easy now.

>>63895789
>Sun hoodies
Post your PRS setup

>>63892164
who gives a shit what a retarded tripfag says?

Wife got me a Leatherman Mut. I love it

>>63896747
Them some soft hands boy, come over here and give me a squeeze.

Alright, here's the 1.01 first aid guide.
Moved stuff around, redid the bandages section more towards what anon was talking about, added templates and premade IFAKs mentioned last thread. Lemme know if I missed anything.
>top tier infographic-making music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBgQuH4xPmA

>>63893341
The Scott C420?
>>63894884
I smell an addition to pic related...

And since I posted side 2, obligatory posting of side 1 of the Aliexpress infographic. I'll spare this thread the indiamart one...

>>63895831
So what side plates did you get?

>>63897275
Good job.

>>63895182
Cum tributes.

>>63895789
get amazon ones for cheap instead of buying those faggots another house and or child support payments.

>>63897824
As opposed to pay for Chinese houses and Bezo's 3rd yacht? Or did your down syndrome kick in and you forgot how money worked?

>>63897829
faggot if you think those larperator brands are american made sun shirts you deserve to be euthanized from sheer retardation.

>>63897842
Who said they're american made shirts? I'd ask if you knew what a strawman was, but we both know you're a retard; and clearly have no idea. Good job, you limp dick loser.

>>63897824
I don't know if I totally trust the amazon ones. Who knows what the chinks are making them out of.

>>63898532
>Who knows what the chinks are making them out of.
Its a sun hoodie lmafo, its made out of shitty toxic polyester regardless

>>63899091
a2 can you post your belt kit

>>63899091
They could be making it out of something worse.

>>63899401
Or just thinner / worse stitching. There are street markets in Sham Shui Po that may sell the mythical "E grade" super slop that >>63897316 does not even dare to mention.

>>63899358
Yeah why not
>>63899401
I assure you there is nothing cheaper to make a sunhoodie out of.
You dont need a gucci version of the PRS guy uniform.

How many 30 round AR-15 magazines fit in the M250 pouches? Venture has 50 and 100 round pouches.

>>63892048
Might need to amend this one. There's LA-12s all over the shop.

>>63900859
The 100 round saw pouches from Haley can fit five GI mags or four pmags.

Dimensions:
50 round M250: 3.5" D x 4" W x 6.5" T
Haley: 3.5” (D) x 5” (W) x 6.5” (T)
I couldn't get dimensions for the 100 rounder M250, but should be four GI mags for the 50 rounder.

Anyone here ever tried to see if Esstac will make them a one off item?

>>63900914
no, esstac doesnt have time for your bullshit, find a sew fag on etsy or something

>>63900914
What are you looking for? They have quite a few variations.

>>63897275
I'm retarded Anon. What does "combine pads" mean?

>>63901044
Fucking Google it, dipshit. That'll answer your question immediately. Do you really need to be spoon-fed everything?

>>63901044
Sterile dressing pads.
>>63900870
Does this seem "off" to anybody else? Some dude has like nine dazzlers that normally command high prices ($1,000+) and he's selling them to move?

>>63901078
Me want air plane!

>>63901081
ME WANT ALIEXPRESS MOP BOMB

Got a new carrier from a local store that was going out of business and liquidating. Trying out the double stacked mag deal but not sure how I feel about it yet. Also not sure if I should move my radio back to it's own dedicated pouch or not. It's a bit snug in the cummerbund. Added a dangler to use a second IFAK and admin pouch.

>>63901222
Based trips and based carrier. What's your issue with the double stacking? It thickens you up, especially when prone, but the extra ammunition could be helpful in the two-way range larp department.
I run my UV-25D radio on the side of my vest, but the antenna is being an ass so I picked up a relocation wire to move it to the back. Your setup is cleaner than mine, dangler is a great call.

>>63901222
Do you like having those pistol mags there?

>>63901254
The issue I have with double stacking is I just feel super thick. Realistically, I'm more used to a single stacked chest rig than I am a plate carrier, I ran just a chest rig for years before I got a beginner carrier and some plates a few years ago. Now I got a bit better quality one and changed some stuff up a bit. I used to run three mags up front, two on my side, and then double stack the pistol mags up front, then run the 6th AR mag on my belt. Now I'm running 7+1 AR mags.

>>63901257
They're fine. They don't get in the way. I run another on my belt, been thinking of swapping and running two on the belt and one on the carrier, but I'm pretty satisfied with those mags are set up right now.

>>63901254
>run my UV-25D radio on the side of my vest, but the antenna is being an ass so I picked up a relocation wire to move it to the back. Your setup is cleaner than mine, dangler is a great call.
I forgot to mention, I was running a whip antenna up the shoulder strap but I just fucking broke it when I was putting my rig together. Twisted it on to the radio weird, and popped some copper piece out of it and now it's just gone and won't stay screwed together correctly. Oh well, I just ordered a folding antenna to replace it so whatever I guess.

>>63901078
Its a reasonable question faggot. Its an infographic and that's the only place the term is used. It should clarify.
>Do you really need to be spoon-fed everything?
Do you not understand what an infographic is for?
>>63901080
Thanks Anon. So it seems like Pad, Gauze, Dressing and Bandage all mean more or less the same thing and get used interchangeably. I look up "Sterile Dressing Pad" and I get Israeli Bandages for example. Might be helpful to include a line about that somewhere. Anons, like myself might not be familiar with every possible term. Like how Dikes and diagonal pliers are the same thing.

>>63901314
>it seems like Pad, Gauze, Dressing and Bandage all mean more or less the same thing
They do not

>>63901314
Infographic anon here, I replied to you earlier, not sure why the other guy thought you pissed in his cereal by asking a simple question. You're correct, the infographic should clarify. Next version has already been updated.
Also good points about the nomenclature. Combine pads are really these:
https://www.bandagesplus.com/wound-care/wound-dressings/abd-pads/combined-abd-pad-5-x-9-20-bx
I'll add them to the left side for next version. Plan is that the left side needs to have every item mentioned on the right side, and more specific item descriptions.

Otherwise, current infographic to-do list.
1. Used armor guide planned three threads ago
2. Thermal infographic.
3. Russian equipment buyers' guide
4. Japanese clooner gear guide.
>>63901280
I run an AR-152A Gooseneck on the UV-25D, it's rated to 25W so it doesn't push the SWR unless I run the radio max power VHF - which I never do because it doesn't have the battery to keep 45W up for long.
Folding tape-measure antennas are long, cool, and ironically work fine even though they're made out of... tape measure. If it works it works. I prefer a gooseneck only because it's less flippy-floppy and stays in place better.

>>63901269
>I just feel super thick
But think of all the extra ammo you've got versus a 3+1 setup. Of course it's all "mission dictates gear" and all that, but 7+1 is a far better generalist position to be in than 3+1 and if worst comes to worst you're out of ammo right after first contact.
The more people you have, the more you can "distribute shit" across people, but if you're operating solo what you've got on you is what you've got.
'member, it's larp until it isn't.

New thing out there for anybody running UV-5R type radios still. There's a USB-C super-extended 6800mAh battery out there now. https://www.amazon.com/BAOFENG-Battery-Capacity-Charging-Extended/dp/B0DM8QQZJ7
This seems very new, I haven't seen proof these actually make advertised capacity, just food for thought if people need more runtime. Could be a nice way to modernize UV-5 type radios.

>>63900859
I'm gonna bet on 4 STANAGs

Found this on Pinterest. Can anyone ID the Yoke and Buttpack?

>>63901363
Thanks Anon, looking good so far. These new infographics have been pretty great.

>>63901457
How do they fit so much stuff? I have something like that and it wraps all the way around me and makes it hard to bend over. Am I wearing it too low or something?

>>63901474
I wear mine as low as possible

>>63901489
My mag pouches are practically touching at the belt buckle.

>>63901473
Glad to be of service.

>>63891803
Fuck I miss old /k/

>>63901038
Flecktarn AUG magazine pouches. They offer AUG pouches and they offer Flecktarn, they just don’t have their website set up so that you can select both.

Radios are cool but who do you guys actually talk to with yours?

>>63901892
nobody which is why i never bought one

>>63901726
Oh I’d call them and ask. Sometimes the only difference between their pouches is the way they form the kydex.

>>63902018
I sent them an email. All of their AUG and Flecktarn stuff is made to order anyway so they may wind up doing it.

>>63902029
glhf

>>63901996
I occasionally get some use out of mine when we go camping. Means people at the cabin can stay in touch with people who are out hunting or hiking.

They're mostly a part of my disaster preps. I've got one at home, one each in my and my wife's cars, one at my mother's house, and couple of my mate's are similarly high-speed. At the very least, I can hit my wife's clinic from the top floor of my workplace and being able to touch base in an emergency even if phone lines are down/overloaded is worth the cost of a couple of Baofengs even I haven't needed to yet.

>>63901892
im a rail museum volunteer so my radio gets used for that. Otherwise I listen to EMS with it.

>>63901474
>it wraps all the way around me and makes it hard to bend over.
Wrong size
Tip of hip to tip of hip should be clear
>>63901457
Sure looks like a velocity jungle buttpack

>>63901892
I'm my group's comms guy so usually its when we're shooting and larping. I also use them to listen to the local hams, I'm licensed too but rarely do more than lurk. They do come in very handy at unexpected times, doing house repairs, on outings and such. Having a decent rugged little radio is more convenient than trying to text or call someone when you're in the attic.

>>63901892
My brother has one and we live close enough that with better than the stock antennas we can communicate. My roommate has one too, my buddies all have a couple each. I have people to talk to on them, even if we don't actually use them outside of when we used to go camping as a group, but we don't even do any of that anymore because all those homos decided to get married and have kids. Fags.

>>63903225
>Wrong size
But then I can't fit all of my s-stuff REEEEEEEEEEE.
I can either carry fewer mags or get smaller utility pouches, maybe go for 100rd saw pouches instead of 200rds. I really don't want to sacrifice either of those though. I moved everything back one slot which helped a little but it's not perfect. I guess I just assumed this would all fit, I never really considered that it would be too big.

>>63903892
Idk man in >>63900189 thats a lot of gear on hand. Im not saying copy my rig because your probably not running beltfeds but really you dont have grenades or rockets to carry either so you should be able to get double digits worth of mags in there easy with space for water and other needs.
>BUT WAT ABOUT MY X and Y
Belt kit is for shooting things (mags, grenades, link, etc) or things that directly enable you to shoot said things (water, snivel gear, thermals, nods, etc).
Your blouse should have all of your admin/pocket lint (compass, notepad, headlamp, etc) and your sustainment (jetboil, basha, spare socks,etc) goes in your bergen.

>>63903892
Anon, step back and reassess what your needs and goals are. No LBE system is going to do everything all the time. You need a frame pack to carry all of that at once. Instead you should think about what problem you are trying to solve and build out the kit to solve that problem. Read this blog post. https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/rifleman-lbe-harness/
The author goes over the theory behind belt kit and gives several examples he's assembled and what they are for. There is no such thing as one do it all solution.

>>63903931
It looks like the only difference in ours is I have 2x2 mag pouches on each side instead of what you have.

>>63904242
I did that before I put it together. It's just bigger than I expected. Maybe I should get fat so it fits better.

>>63904392
>I did that before I put it together. It's just bigger than I expected. Maybe I should get fat so it fits better.
Whats your waist size and how many rows of molle does your belt have?

>>63904412
30-32 and it's 18 columns. I can live with it now that things are one column back but it's going to get annoying going up in the mountains. None of my complaints are REALLY serious I just come across as melodramatic because I think it's funny. That guy in the pinterest pic has even more shit than me so idk how he's doing it.

>>63904392
>instead of what you have.
BAE Eclipse SAW pouches

>>63904517
No the ones on the ends. The buttpack and saw pouches are the same for me.

>>63904575
Oh. A crye 152 smartpouch and an old as dirt TAG vertical GP.

>>63904467
Yeah you're at the smaller end for that size belt. So its a little tricky. Work on the glutes to go up a waist size or two. What A2 said is right, the molle should only be on the sides. If its in front then it will get in the way of walking. If that's not an option, and for you it might not be, then lift everything up a few inches and ride it a bit higher. See picrel for what I mean. If you can't get the first option, then wear it like #2.

>>63904590
Alright I have it adjusted a little higher now I think it's going to be okay. No high kicks though so my rockette dance routine is fucking SCREWED.

>>63904720
>lift everything up a few inches and ride it a bit higher
Yeah that's what I just did. I think it might be where it was supposed to be, it's actually on my hip bone now. I wear my pants a little low.

>>63904745
>it's actually on my hip bone now. I wear my pants a little low.
Yeah thats where you actually want it.

>>63901457
buttpack is velocity systems, no idea about the yoke. Honestly looks inferior to the PLCE/Smersh style with the mesh squarish piece on the back but whatever. Little too much spaghetti to get in and out of.

>>63901474
Basically as low as possible before you start banging your legs into hard items walking up an incline.

>>63904720
>What A2 said is right, the molle should only be on the sides. If its in front then it will get in the way of walking.

This is the reason the spiritussy LBE is shit. I am 100% confident nobody who designed that system ever tested it.

>>63904812
The 34a? Yeah its stupid for a few reasons. 6 rows of molle is ridiculous. 3 is ideal. And the way it all does together with straps and fastex buckles is dumb. They took a split chest rig, and a mid one at that. And tried to make it into a belt kit with the expander. Its retarded.

>>63904858
The actual buttpack is awesome, it's a good size for sustainment stuff. It expands upwards which I really like, and never sags "out" behind you. The X straps they include aren't bad either, really lightweight and dry fast. I don't care about super padded straps though.

Honestly if you had some super cheap molle belt (USMC Sub Belt is a great option for $30) you'd be better off just mounting the spiritus LBE and whatever pouches on it, running the X harness on it and putting pouches from hip bone to hip bone with no stupid gap to bridge.

>>63904931
The only problem is their buttpack is sold as a kit and its well over $200. If I were buying a buttpack and straps I'd rather get the Velocity jungle butt pack which IIRC is less than $70 and for low profile X suspenders, I'd get the ones from ATS for $22.

>>63904991
>Velocity jungle butt pack which IIRC is less than $70
$77 shipped and the 10-12 week lead time is just to cover their ass it only took two weeks for me.

Is pic related worth its price considering how expensive/worn used M1956 gear is? I'm tryna pair it with a shabby A1 clone I made years back, vintage everything sans the generic 80%-made lower, so authenticity isn't a priority.

>>63904991
Yes the total kit should be $115 and no more. It's basically nothing. Velsys proves this

>>63905070
The prices on used m1956 aren't really bad. Not unaffordable yet. Personally I would just buy the real stuff while you still can and sit on it.

If anything buy a repro buttpack.

Apologies if this has been asked before but I’m new to gear in general and still learning.

Im making a FSB kit and I can’t find the real ones for a reasonable price, if I get this will standard plates and groin and neck Kevlar insert padding fit in this? Or do I need the very proprietary and unobtanium real inserts?

>>63905317
The kevlar is a proprietary cut. You can probably have someone like midwest custom cut inserts for it. But be ready to wait, the company is like 7 dudes. It should fit standard shaped plates. I don't think the Russians follow SAPI exactly but its close enough. Most carriers have a fair bit of slop in the plate pockets and are pretty accommodating. The exceptions tend to be concealable ones with tighter stitching. Your biggest problem will be an airsoft replica carrier holding up to real use. And not looking like a slavboo fag.

>>63899358
who gives a shit what he has? Tripfags dont deserve any attention

>>63901363
I go to play with a SRX a month ago. "one was missing." but the person in charge didn't make anyone worry about it. I wonder why. <----

>>63905495
Is there anything on the market that is similar? Just looking for something in that style or resembles a 6b23 vest, just want a flack jacket that has built in neck and groin protection that I can put rifle plates in

>>63905511
post your belt kit then

>>63905714
Is this an airsoft thing? Aliexpress replicas should be fine, but try rusfor facebook groups or gray market resellers (fsb gear, soyuz gear, demych gear bakery, there are some others) who sometimes have the real thing, though often for crazy prices since it all has to be smuggled. If you're specifically looking for that degree of armor coverage, you can get an IOTV with throat and abdo for cheaper, but it wont look Russian.

>>63905888
You can get that coverage or more if you buy chinese. Namely Militech and Jinwudun.

>>63905888
No, not for airsoft, I have a Smersh rig setup for my rpk but need a vest that will let the Smersh fit over it as well as a chest rig. only thing I can find that will let me do that is either a 6b23 or a fort defender, I looked at demych but dude wants $300 just for the Kevlar inserts for a defender 2 which is insane. Do you think an Italian P98 would work I guess?

>>63905993
Just looked at militech and this seems similar enough, https://mili-tech.com/products/militech-nij-iiia-0101-06-nij-0101-07-hg2-improved-outer-tactical-vest-iotv-gen5-quick-release-full-body-armor-ballistic-vest?variant=42570851909788

Like I said I don’t know much about gear as I’m still new to it but is this decent? Are any of these pieces proprietary and gonna be annoying to buy Kevlar and plate inserts for?

>>63906052
Forgot to mention do you think a Smersh rig would fit over it? Smersh is basically a battle bet system so will a battle belt fit over this?

>>63906052
Militech is arguably the best armor China has to offer commercially. Problem is threefold. They have no NIJ certifications, lie about why they have none, and rely on youtubers with affiliate links to prove their stuff works. Youtubers aren't always trustworthy and are no equivalent to the NIJ CPL.
Militech's stuff generally follows western sizing. Much more convenient than Defender 2. See >>63897316 and >>63897311 for more options.

Also, good news! Militech stopped whining about tariffs. RF3 Black is back on the menu boys.

>>63906057
It can likely be adjusted to fit over the IOTV, yes. I wear suspenders + a Jinwudun "belt" under my PC only for retention purposes and it works fine. Over slipped too much for my liking. Personal preference and varies based on exact items.

>>63906035
Ok if you want full cut body armor that plays well with a belt kit worn over top you should look for a slick BALCS carrier. You have a few options. The cheapest is something like the Condor LCS Vanquish. It takes medium BALCS panels and sapi plates. If you want a bit fancier you can find a used First Spear sleeper or sloucher. Beez also makes slick balcs carriers too.

>>63906154
Forgot pic

>>63906154
I agree with all of these. For cheap soft armor hit up Stealth Armor Systems. Plates Hesco, LTC, if you need value and are willing to risk a little Militech.
Avoid RMA and certain Highcoms

>>63906236
We have /bag/ for specific armor recommendations.

>>63906154
will the condor Lacks and First spear sleeper take those militech neck and groin attachments? Definitely might go that route if so

>>63906250
I forgot to post that one this bread. Good spot, here's the latest version. The LTC 26605 has been reinstated on the CPL, I also made a couple other tweaks since that 5/1/25 version.
Before any armor recommendation, you really have to look at what the expected threats in your area are.
Pistols? IIIA.
Generic rifle threats? Go with a plate that can handle the "basic CONUS medley" - M193, M855, M80. LTC 19513 is the go-to. Militech RF2 SiC if you're brave.
AP rifle threats, or rather M855A1 + M80A1 with a little extra headroom? Hesco 4403, 4601, Highcom 4S17M but it's imperative you don't buy their 10x12 shooters cut, they play games with sizing there. LTC 26605 is also good since it's been reinstated. Again, Militech RF3 if you're brave.
The rule with Chinese armor is that they beat the snot out of western counterparts on value but often lack the indicia of consistency. No NIJ certs, old test reports, reliance on youtubers as mentioned in >>63906074.
>>63906258
It would require jury-rigging the neck at least. The groin is a no go for the first spear sleeper since it uses MOLLE straps and the sleeper is velcro. You can make this work if you get creative but a cleaner solution is to just go all in on Militech.

>>63906258
Militech's groin panels are IOTV style with straps. You can adapt them to any carrier that has a velcro front panel by glueing or sewing velcro onto those straps. Militech also aren't the only people making accessories like this. For the other bits, they all attach with velcro so any carrier with loop in the appropriate places will take it. You can usually tell by looking at the product images. If you aren't sure, Beez does semi custom work on request. You can ask them to make you a slick balcs carrier with attachment points for the addons.
>>63906327
Cool, I wasn't aware it had another update.

>>63906340
This will work, just make sure the glue and velcro are up to snuff. Don't want anything falling off under movement. Again, get creative and you can mash almost anything together.
>Militech also aren't the only people making accessories like this
Other guys include but are not limited to Hoplite, Jinwudun, Protection Group Denmark, technically DMGear (I have their XL crotch flap that fits a 10x12" soft armor panel or even a plate), Protech / Safariland, Tencate, Mehler Vario (good luck getting the last three first-hand). There's plenty to go around. The Chinese just do it on the cheap and sell anything to anybody.

>>63906398
PGD's stuff is legit and fairly priced too. They are a good alternative if you dont want to pay the US MIC tax and dont want to send money to china either. Looks like their groin panel also uses velcro, so no mods needed.

>>63906492
I like their plate lineup as well, per pic related.
Not only that, they're one of the go-to's for anons stuck in the EU and unable to buy American due to EAR / ITAR restrictions. If you don't want egg roll you ain't got many options.

>>63906600
Also this infographic needs some updating badly, since it's nearly a year old. Notably:
1. Adept has come out with two test reports in support of the Colossus' PM-12 rating, although there are some inconsistencies (namely the BFD going up by 10mm in the newer test - same plate same round MAYBE different clay) discussed previously. The real issue is that they spent three years sending plates to youtubers but are seemingly afraid of the NIJ. No certs!
2. Soft armor section needs to be finished.
3. The plate selection is obviously super thin. The issue is that many Euro armor outfits that sell to civs are just flipping white-label C / B-grade China plates. Yeah, you often gotta buy Chinese, but stay with Militech if you're going to do that, or Longfri.
4. Is there any update from Adept about the Colossus Heavy or was that thing just an youtube stunt? It's more-or-less just the Colossus with a 0.3"-thicker backer, so I fail to see the manufacturing concerns unless, again, they have an issue with consistency and/or the plate runs hot on BFD - which is almost certainly the case.

>>63906074
>>63906327
Thank you everyone for helping me I’m probably gonna go the militech route per your guys suggestion, what’s the best way to buy their stuff? Went on their site and they’re charging $150 for shipping

>>63906838
That's to cover duties and tariffs, which aren't even being charged all the time because customs is backlogged. Reach out to them and see if they'll offer alternate shipping methods, such as not pre-collecting the fee. You will likely still have to pay a bill in the mail.
Barring that, they're still price competitive with the extra $150 tacked on. Do one big order so you only have to pay that once, perhaps? IOTV + front, back, sides RF3 or something like that. Maybe throw in a helmet too. Full setup.
Third option, reach out to Militech on Aliexpress or Alibaba and buy that way. Price shop, make sure it's the actual store.
Fourth option, Jinwudun. Less reputable outfit.
Fifth option, wait until tariffs drop.

The part that troubles me is that Militech could have avoided the pause on US shipments if they just rented a warehouse, sent a big shipment there before the tariffs, and coasted off that. This would even allow them to get certified. They're piss afraid of being inside US jurisdiction, so I would pause on Militech if that makes you hesitate. Do not rule out Beez.

What would be a good plate carrier to run with this belt? After the pouches to put on it come in, I also wanna get one of those USMC filbe assault packs, so the PC working with a pack is important. I don't need anything fancy, just something with enough molle webbing to attach ammo and smaller pouches and in coyote brown

I finally bit the bullet and bought an ops core SF helmet and Peltor Comtac 8 single lead.

I got the ops core for $1500 and the Peltors for $775, both NIB. Were those decent prices?

>>63891736
first aid is your responsibility, first responder. I'm just here to shoot people. I bet you fuck black women and try to sneak guns into places they're not allowed.

>>63907008
yes
where can I get those prices, dearest anon

>>63907035
Tacswap I guess. That’s where I bought mine. I’ll let you know if I end up getting scammed out of my money.

Armsunlimited has great prices on Ops Cores whenever they are in stock, and they restock occasionally.

>>63907000

>>63907055
ty anon

My ZSh-7A helmet

>>63906600
>>63906492
PGD plates are garbage. Very heavy, practically zero curvature.
> It's more-or-less just the Colossus with a 0.3"-thicker backer
Per the Buffman video the ceramic strike-face was 0.6", which is a lot thicker than the regular Colossus. If it were just Colossus + 0.3" thicker backer, it would weigh less than 8 pounds. Which would be pretty much the same as that PGD plate, lol
Probably it's a special order item, like the rare mythical Hescos and other plates like that.

>>63907008
There's a new Ops Core SF model that they released a month or two ago. Did you get the old version or the new one?

which cheap belt to buy, I want 2-4 rifle mags, 2 pistol mags, a handgun and a small ifak, would be also nice to build in the future for more stuff like water, radio. Is USMC Sub Belt that was talked about earlier the best choice?

>>63907681
>USMC Sub Belt
It's a good choice, especially at its price.

>>63907681
>>63907998
There's also the AWS LAB belt. It's also good at a cheap enough price.

>>63907592
Gotta keep in mind Euro anons have limited options. If they do not want to buy directly from China AND they cannot buy used Mehler Vario or other mil plate, what's the call? PGD plates to me, at least weight-wise, read like ceramic tile arrays. Is what it is if you're strapped for options.
Thanks for the correction about the Colossus Heavy strike face. That makes much more sense.

>>63907639
The old version. What’s the difference between the iterations?

>>63908175
The new version is like 0.2 pounds lighter and has a totally different suspension that seems like a major improvement.
Maybe you can buy the new version's retention system as a drop-in replacement.

>>63892048
Somogear was such a rug pull, there's old stock on ebay for 165.

>>63907083
Looks slick, just not my thing really. I'd definitely want something able to run atleast 6 mags on the PC, preferably something with 8-10 rows of molle on the front (10 being ideal) so I can run some double mag pouches and some smaller stuff like a leatherman or shears

>>63908012
can I use it both as a battle belt and (with harness) as lbe? I don't think I want to seperate things, and the harness included to it looks think and maybe uncomfortable when I put a lot of weight on it

>>63908363
Posting the vest infographic since it's pertinent.

And the belt guide (not to be confused with the belt kit guide), cuz why not.

>>63908183
Eh I’ve tried on the legacy ops core sf and it was super comfortable. Idk how much difference a new suspension system is going to make.

I can always resell the helmet for 90% of the cost. I’m just going to be using it for live fires since my ACH with shitty Howard Leights just sucks to wear

>>63907681
>>63907998
I second the USMC sub belt, i got mine for $65 in unissued condition and you get definitely get it cheaper if you look at the used options

>>63901892
the semi-local HAM milf

>>63891004 (OP)
>ordered a safariland 5198 lefty for a g34 on amazon
>they send me 1911 model
>tell them you sent the wrong item, request another
>get another 1911
I submitted both for a refund. I think their website is broken. I know a g34 5198 holster exists because vogel swears by that model but I can't find any source

>>63908522
oooohhh nooooo

>>63906179

bros...are there any good 4th of july sales going on yet

>>63908738
Yeah that guy still has a shitload of dazzlers on ebay.

>>63908826
ty anon. Honestly these seem pretty fun to have, though I think I'd rather save up for pic related instead

>>63908738
I'm waiting for primary arms so I can buy plxc at a discount hopefully. Either that or I'll settle for that bonus bucks bullshit and buy some red dot to throw on top.

>>63908371
No. The LAB belt is a shooters belt not an LBE belt. Some companies make hybrid belts than can do double duty. The thing to look out for are attachment points for the harness straps. That are usually small metal or plastic D or square rings sewn into the belt. You can weave harness straps into the molle in a pinch but that's suboptimal.

>>63908890
They have a couple of edge-case uses in "SHTF" hypotheticals. Of course, these all expose you to tremendous legal liability and SHOULD NOT be done outside of situations where you reasonably fear for your life and other measures are not available, you get the drift.
Dazzlers were originally designed for temporarily blinding people (of course, they often cause permanent vision loss simply by virtue of their output). This gives rise to a couple applications.
1. Checkpoints. Directly applying an LA-12 on high or strobe to a windshield will blind the driver.
2. People at riots have used equally or more powerful ebay lasers to force helicopters away. Note that this is a MAJOR FUCKING NO-NO WITH THE FAA.
3. They have the output to deal damage to lenses, especially NVs and cameras.
4. They can in theory be used as a half-ass kind of scopespotter. If directed at a scope lens it should reflect back noticeably while also blinding the shit out of the guy behind it.
5. Extra spicy aiming laser.
Let's just say that the "S.P.E.C.S" people talk about, the brown lens laser protective glasses, are NOT sufficient for protecting against the LA-12 GLIS or more powerful dazzlers like the GBD-III on high output. You need something heavier-duty.

Also forgot to mention that dazzlers have several times the risk of full power lasers. to illustrate this point, a PEQ-15's vis laser on high is about 20mW. I want to guess an HFXC's vis laser is about 35mW tops. The LA-12 is 200mW. GBD-III over 250mW. Even close-range indirect exposure to the beam is risky. A reflection off a mirror can cause immediate vision loss.
To use one as a an aiming laser demands laser eyepro. You can see the dot even with laser eyepro on, even low.

>>63908395
>no love for mayflower / velsys
I would say they are equivalent to JPCs and Beez carriers

>>63908522
m2f boomer

>>63909067
>>63909092
ty again anon. I work with lasers a lot at work (research lab, so not talkin' low-BQ industrial shitt) and yes even relatively low power lasers have blinding potential from specular reflections. In some ways green lasers can actually be a bit safer than say NIR lasers, because visible light causes a blink reflex, though obviously our blink reflex is slower than light, so risk of bodily harm certainly scales with power above all

>>63909134
Certainly. Some of the latest dazzlers have a built-in rangefinder to moderate laser output based on target distance. Not sure how well that works in practice.
I've read that SWIR lasers in particular are eye safe at very high levels, so that's another point in favor of SWIR night vision.

>>63909117
The Scarab is better than the JPC but also different. It's not as light weight but it holds up a lot better under use. JPCs are called "one deployment carriers" for a reason. Everything Velsys makes it's good. The value varies. For whatever reason their carriers are slept on. The LPAAC is one of the most comfortable full cut carriers on the market.

>>63909206
They also "make" (rebrand) very good armor from BAE, Tencate, and LTC. Their PULV low-vis plates show their age badly, and only the newer B-VEL, BZ API, and all-PE ultralight versions are worth modern consideration.
Their VS-P34 is a solid ICW Level IV (and III) from back in the day. They hold the contract for the GEN-5B TSA, which supplants the LTC 28595 and is about 0.45lb lighter.
Their belt kits are expensive though. Like you said, value varies.

kek just got a 6390 from GT Dist for $20
it felt like highway robbery being on clearance (I guess there's a small number of lefty g34 users)

>>63908970
what about that mk2 mtp belt kit? It has a harness, but if I took the harness of, changed some pouches for more like a belt setup, could this be also used as a range belt?

>>63904931
Those zippers look small and weak and will break with real use.

>>63909067
>You need something heavier-duty.
Got any recommendations for eyepro? I feel like this would be very helpful if you had to drive through an area where a protest/riot is going on and don't want to get collaterally blinded.

>>63908363
You want to wear a bulky carrier with a belt kit on top of it? I have both of those things and I do not want to combine them for even one millisecond.

>>63909698

The new usmc belt and straps are slick and designed to ride under a plate carrier or chest rig. Youtube has some data on this.

>>63909715
Oh. Still not sure I would want a decked out carrier over a belt kit. I mean I'm all for more dakka but holy shit how much fight are you trying to bring? I thought you were trying to offset the load onto a belt kit. I didn't follow the thread though so my mistake.

>>63909210
>B-VEL, BZ API, and all-PE ultralight versions are worth modern consideration.
What do we know about these?
The BZ API plate is old as fuck, but the all-PE plate seems interesting.

Posting gear in the gear thread. Thanks for the help. Now all I need is a wildfire fighting kit so I can go shooting and camping again.

>>63909774
The B-VEL and BZ API versions are discussed in pic related. B-VEL to my understanding is a ceramic-composite replacement for the titanium PULV and the older steel PSTES.
Accordingly, B-VEL is thicker, lighter, and picks up M80, M193, M855 protection. All in all, upgrade unless 0.1" added thickness is a killer.
The BZ API version adds... BZ API (lol) and to the best of my knowledge is only used by the Secret Service. Considering the circumstances I would not be surprised if it also picks up M855A1, but that's not guaranteed. The two threats are sidegrades My guess is that it's a B4C+PE layup like the 28791 or the USMC "LITE" plate. I've only seen a picture of the BZ API plate once, it was for sale on ebay for $6k or so for the set.
The Ultralight all-PE is extremely new. Think Hesco 3801LV but made by a more competent manufacturer (Tencate - which is the only Big Six to have never had an NIJ suspension or product recall - or BAE are the likely suspects) and in the PULV cut. My understanding is that it's under 2.5lb. If made in a traditional cut, and perhaps if it lost M80 protection and was only rated for MSC / M193, that might be the 1lb poly plates rumored last thread. Food for thought.

>>63909675
The reason why I advised the S.P.E.C.S aren't up for the job is that they don't cover 100% of your eyesight. If the laser hits your cheekbones or your eyebrows then you risk direct exposure. Many of the eBay lasers are Class 4 - 500mW and above. They will fry eyes even indirectly.
This means you want something enclosed - goggles, and rated for at minimum Class 3B and better yet Class 4. The applicable standard is optical density - higher the better. Gun for something at least OD6-OD7 against anticipated wavelengths. Red, Green, Blue, Magenta, and now Gold. I'll add an eyepro infographic to the list after I'm done updating the IFAK guide and the thermal scopes infographic.

>>63910154
Just want to make 1000% sure. It would be a bad idea to use one of these as an aiming laser. They do not have a low power mode that is low enough to be safe for traditional laser aiming tasks and enviroments.
Am i correct?

>>63910247
I'll compare my glizzy to my HFXC and get back to you. It has a low mode but I'll reference the HFXC to see if it's passable as a full power aiming laser.

>>63910473
Cool, thanks anon. Im not sure exactly what the technical difference would be between a dazzler and lam but they seem to be nearly the same design wise. One is just green with a higher powered laser and no ir mode?

I have a AWS belt with holster and dump pouch, a JPC 2.0 and plates, but I need mag pouches for the belt/ placard for the JPC, and side plate bags. QRD on the best? JPC has standard cummybund and the plates are those blackbeard side plates from eBay they are square shaped

I'm considering a Plate Carrier 06 (or, if Whiskey runs out of carriers in my size, the Plate Carrier 13). I think I want the ability to wear insulation and wind layers over the carrier, not for concealment but more as a realistic part of being outside. How big of a deal is stuff getting snagged on the back cummerbund flaps? Would it be worth getting the $84 accessory panel to cover them?

>>63909764
Dudes do it in Ukraine a lot. Even with an AVS, there's a limit to how much you can load up a carrier before it can start to give you back problems. Belt kit is just more ergonomic for heavier loads. And doing it outside the the carrier can be kinda clunky, but its also a quick way to plus up ammo and sustainment. It's not for everyone and definitely situational, but it definitely is a thing guys do successfully.

>>63910514
Update on the glizzy vs HFXC. Glizzy on low is actually much dimmer than the HFXC at max power. Glizzy on high is still far, far brighter.
Notably, the glizzy's dot is wider, so as an aiming laser it won't be as precise. Maybe suitable for a cylinder-choked shotty with buckshot?
Dazzlers are like signal jammers, both respectively the "evil" counterparts to LAMs and radios. Both are designed to interfere with something. Dazzlers are basically just what you said, high powered vis laser, no illuminator, no IR.

>>63906250
Haven't seen a /bag/ thread in like a year.

>>63911105
It gets updated here in /gq/ we dont need a separate /bag/ thread.

>>63891004 (OP)
How many mags do you run on your belt?
I want to be able to carry 8 mags. The one in the gun counts. I use a m4 flap with bfg triple but I really only like have 3 up front vs double stacking.
I don’t really care about pistol mags on my belt so I’m thinking at least 2 maybe even 3 rifle mags. Kywi mids. Double vs two singles? Double on left and single on right? I’m sure someone has experimented and can save me money here.

>>63911424
I mean, if you wanna specifcally want 8 mags with only 3 on your chest, you could potentially put 2 double mag pouches on your offhand side. You'll have to get some similarly weighted gear to put on the other side to make it even of course, but doing that would get you to 7 in your kit and 1 in the gun

>>63910647
Get Esstac KYWI mids for the JPC and shorts for the belt. Crye side platebags should fit your side plates if they’re 6x6

>euro
>poorfag
>want to build a simple setup with a short AR-15, few mags, plate carrier (will get plates someday maybe) and ifak
>preferrably in multicam
what would you get?

>>63912663
get a chest rig
PCs suck without plates, you could add foam inserts for stability but that's lame
get a PC when you have plates
also if your poorfag, surplus chest rigs can be super cheap, taps rigs are solid and can be gotten in the US for $30, chicoms are cheap, Im sure there's a euro equivalent

>>63912663
Helikon tex Training mini rig, 110 euro, good chest rig don't get a PC until you have you're plate. Couple that with a no name 2 piece belt and you'll be good until you upgrade to a plate carrier of you choice

>>63912663
Don't get a plate carrier if you don't intend to fill it with plates. They don't work well for load bearing equipment, there are MUCH better solutions if you're not running armor. Consider a chest rig.

>>63912224
I’m okay with two mags on the cummerbund too I guess, just don’t know how that will feel over the side plates.
>>63912443
Why not mids for belt? I’m more worried about losing a mag vs faster reload

>>63913587
You won't lose an AR mag out of a KYWI unless you're a Red Bull free fall jumper

>>63892044
Thoughts on Israeli M-15s?

>>63908522
I'm an older women enjoyer, can you please elaborate?

>>63909698
I mean, it's not like I'm loading the belt like it was a standalone belt kit (granted I do wanna add some canteen pouches for sustainment purposes which adds a fair bit of weight), I just like the idea of a basic, relatively lightweight equipment belt under a decent sized plate carrier. I only plan on running 7+1 to maybe 10+! mags on my kit depending on how much space I have to work with, some basic tools like a multi-tool and shears, and maybe a small, relatively flat GP pouch or 2 on the sides if thats an option

>>63910154
>I'll add an eyepro infographic to the list after I'm done updating the IFAK guide and the thermal scopes infographic.
Thanks fren. I feel spoiled with all this knowledge.

>>63909210
British Tactical has good value on their belts, as does Platatac, but you have to build them up. Good option for a ground-up approach though

>>63909675
Welding-oriented eyewear if you want something cheap. Will be impact rated and will look less TravisHaley(TM)

>>63892042
Chest seal requires training? How hard is it to identify the burble and clean blood off before slapping one of these on the entry and exit wound?

>>63916006
The use of chest seals requires sufficient training to recognise and respond to a tension pneumothorax (of course, that response can be as simple as removing the chest seal).

Application of a chest seal can potentially turn a relatively benign open pneumothorax into a life-threatening tension pneumothorax. A chest seal blocks entry of air into the pleural space via the hole in the chest wall but it does nothing to stop air entering the pleural space via the hole in the lung - if it's the hole in the lung which has formed a one-way valve then the hole in the chest wall is the only thing preventing a build up of pressure and pulmonary collapse, and you've just plugged that hole with the CS. Vented seals theoretically avoid this risk (see pic rel) but in real world conditions they're liable to clog with blood.

CSs are a good tool to have, you just need someone who knows what a tptx paying attention to the casualty who can either dart them or burp the seal if necessary.

>>63916107
Thank you

Been trying to snag a work sharp knife. They go out of stock within just a few minutes it's scary.

>>63917896
Get a duct knife

Thinking of buying an arc lighter for my innawoods kit. Sell me on one, anons

>>63918602
>Emitting all that EMI
Killed by grad rockets instantly

>>63918357
that'd be such a cool knife if the serration was on the other side

>>63919014
heehee

>>63915930
Be careful about wavelengths with that. A lot of welding glasses are green lens. They're great for most uses and should handle red or IR lasers fine, but won't do as hot against high-powered green lasers like a glizzy.
Rule of thumb is that laser protection is weak against the color of its own lens. Even the gold lens is potentially no good against the newer breed of yellow / brown lasers.
Fortunately for us, most military dazzlers are green. However, many of the ebay lasers pushing much higher power levels are yellow or blue.
Always confirm protected wavelengths and at what level. You only get one set of eyes and there's lasers out there pushing well over a watt.

>>63892042
damn, i see buzzballs in a different light now

>>63919418
This is the real reason to get grenade pouches.

>>63919435
Basado.
What is the bbq gq beer of choice?

>>63909210
is this a good starter chest rig?

>>63919912

>>63919912
Hasn't been meta for several patches. But really as long as the nylon isn't going sticky and disintegrating, all that late 2000s shit is a-okay. They don't tend to account for quick modern mag changes, but its up to you whether that's really important.

>>63919912
No it smells bad and one of them called me the N word.

>>63919922
weird doesnt have any tags but has these buckles

>>63919949
Those are the right buckles.

>>63919952
i think someone told me it was like a "BPS rig" or something similar, used by some losers in the navy i think he said

>>63915739
Rough draft of the thermal scopes infographic. Planning on filling this out more, but wanted to get an early version out for feedback / revision purposes.
Anything with a star is highly regarded, anything with a diamond is meta for this patch.

>>63919987
Basado. I'm curious, where would Pulsar's thermion series fit on the graph?

>>63919972
Dunno but itw nexus is the right brand of buckle.

>>63919972
If it's actually a Blankenship Police Supply chest rig then it's most likely 25+ years old and an incredibly rare relic from the late 1990s or early 2000s. There are a number of pictures of SEALs in the very early GWOT wearing rigs from there.

Sell it on Ebay for a few hundred dollars and then get the exact same chest rig off Temu for $20

>>63919987
Trijicon thermals are no bueno? I dont know anything about them but it seems their electro-optical stuff isnt as popular as i would expect.
How do clip on thermals work with regular scopes anyway? The magnification wouldnt multiply since you are just zooming in on a screen. I guess seeing bigger pixels could be helpful.

>>63920233
I think its going to stay in my camo tote for a while, who knows maybe i'll find something to go along with it!

>>63910652
>Would it be worth getting the $84 accessory panel to cover them?
I'm not sure which accessory panel you're referring to, but they sell a loop to PALS adapter that should cover most of that back loop area if you get the 6 columns wide version. It's $19.

https://www.wtfidea.com/laser-cut-acronym-loop-to-pals-adapter/

You're unlikely to get much of anything snagging on that area, but covering it can definitely help prevent that.

im tired of buying plate carriers none of them are comfortable they all have shitty designs that cut into your neck or get your head stuck trying to put it on and off. does anyone know a brand that makes the straps angled so they actually rest on your traps or just inside your shoulders like a backpack? im running out of money buying shit that doesnt fit. no im not obese and yes im buying quality shit recommended by everyone. first one i got was a ferro concepts slickster. shitty thin ass straps that slice into your neck. next i got mayflower apc. almost the same thing but not as bad because it had some padddying and its not as thin so instead of slicing it just pushes uncomfrotably into your jugular. shit was like $300 too.

>>63921470
condor

>>63899091
*you’re

>>63919987
Lets take a look
>anything 256
Yeah no do not even have this on here. Thermals START at 320 and should be 640.
Id be buying used 320s and taipan 19-320 well before touching literally anything 256
>No mention of demag/risley prisms
>No mention of manual objective lens focus
>A bunch of stupid mil thermals rather than the actually commonly stolen mil thermals (pas13, utm, skeet, etc)
>Older gen discontinued thermals at all
Bro what the FUCK is this document?
>>63920300
Trijicon thermals havent been competitive for a decade, but that hasnt stopped them from keeping the price way too fucking high
>How do clipons work
Basically like zooming in on a screen
You dont really get that much more clarity in a 640 but you do get a lot more precision.
Dont bother with a 320 clipon
>>63921752
t. city slicker

>>63901257
That’s how I think I’m gonna set my new rig up.

Im trying to slim down my gear to only have 1 of each thing that I need, as for rucksacks i currently try have a mystery ranch 6500 and a mountain ruck, which one would it be better to keep as a motorized infantryman?

What's your opinion on the mystery ranch 3dap? What's your advice for a good assault pack that can also be used for longer periods of time for sustainment as a rucksack lite?

Just came back from a field exercise and my issued plate carrier absolutely sucks nigger balls.

Im thinking of buying a personal pc, I'll be either a rifleman or machine gunner depending on my leadership mood that day.
Im using a crye blast belt on which I intend to put under armor suspenders on and a pc.

Im thinking either a crye avs or cpc to put a 4mag placard on, and then gp pouch, ifak, and another 4 mags on the belt.
But given the light load I'd be putting on the pc I might use a crye spc which has better ventilation and is lighter, I'd be using front and rear plates and a cummerbund soft armor.

>>63921755
>Older gen discontinued thermals at all
Older second hand shit is one of the most affordable ways to get into the thermal game.

>>63921755
And that's why I released the thermal infographic early. Thanks for the feedback, will incorporate some of that.
>>63920300
Like A2 said, their lineup is badly antiquated and due to brand snobbery they don't go as low as they should used. The oneleaf mogs them for a fraction of the cost.
>>63920076
Thanks. Pulsars, thermion included, would occupy either the mid grade or high end segments, but definitely not 200% larp. High-end starts around $4,500, for reference. 200% larp is strictly five digit non-China high roller territory. I'll include price ranges for the brackets so this is more clear.
>>63924913
You're right. Just keep in mind that A2 has a much larger war chest than most people can throw at this shit, so he has no reason to even consider used but still good Armasights, Raytheons, etc. He's not your guy if you're on a budget, lol.
I'll keep the low-res therms on the infograph, but will revise wording to more clearly express they suck.

>>63925001
Thats too bad. Trijicon is one of my favorite gun brands but i feel like they have really been slipping the last few years.
Thermals are trash apparently, the mro was actually the worst red dot on the market when released, a lot of their lvpos/full power scopes have failed to wow.
I understand if they have a contract you cant really change it but i dont think thats the case here.

Thoughts on ITAR SIG binoculars?

What would be a good ifak pouch for the back of this usmc padded sub belt? I want something that can mount to the 2 straps directly in the middle, but almost all the usgi pouches I've seen are spaced. Would a normal usgi ifak pouch work?I tried getting one in coyote but I think I got the usmc A1 variant which is bigger. Honestly if you could just reccomend anything that works with the non-spaced molle webbing, doesn't take up a lot of room but can still fit a tourniquet and maybe shears, and will fit a sekri ifak insert

>>63925614
>non-spaced molle webbing
What do you mean by this?

>>63925579
It's the same deal as EOTech. They deliver a product, coast on their reputation, and don't really innovate at all over decades.
What I'd like to see from EOTech is a thermal overlay reflex like the Holosun DRS-TH, but with a better sensor (320 minimum) and 90hz refresh in a 552 body.
Then again, Oneleaf will just rip them off and deliver an equal product at a fraction of the price. I'm convinced there's shenanigans as to how the MT1000LRF is that cheap. I think it's $1,330 with discount code RCMT1000LRF when purchased direct.
>>63914831
Definitely workable.

>>63925646
I would expect more from eotech since they are owned by L3. Im not saying they have access to the highest end shit but their parent company is on the bleeding edge, i would expect that to trickle down.
Did the eotech lam ever come out? It was suppose to be a huge deal but i havent heard anything about it since.

Whats the deal with oneleaf, are they legit? Ive never heard of them before but on paper its awesome.

>>63925703
Yeah, the OGL is out, but AFAIK it's mil/LE only. The civ-power version never materialized. IMO, it's redundant in the age of HFXC, IRIS, Laserspeed.
>It was suppose to be a huge deal but i havent heard anything about it since
As was the v3 waterproofed HFXC sms schizo was yapping about. This area has a major problem with vaporware.
>Whats the deal with oneleaf, are they legit?
The basic premise is this. Generic China outfit selling nothing but basic digital NV clip-on and rifle scopes suddenly releases a totally badass 640x512 60hz thermal with <20mK NETD (which is excellent) that doesn't have to NUC and has a laser rangefinder... for under $1,500. It's $1,330 with the right code. People generally agree they're selling it at a loss for strategic reasons, but nobody knows what percentage. I did notice that other NUCless chinese thermals have hit the market, namely those from Luna Optics (Genesis) and others, but for a lot more cash. I suspect there's a Chinese outfit hiding in the shadows supplying both.
The oneleaf is functionally a $5,000 thermal, easy, being sold for just over a quarter of the price its features would justify. Lot of possible explanations. Bold gambit, money laundering, every other company is taking us for a ride except them, so on and so forth.

>>63925722
What a shame, it looked cool. Only laser ive really looked into is the mawl because apparently the scar kills everything else.
I kind of get restricting access to lasers but its still super gay.

Im sure i will regret not jumping on them while they are so cheap if they indeed are as good as their specs suggest. I just cant justify it at the moment.

>>63925900
The whole FP laser thing is due to lawyering and the FDA 5mW limit. For what it's worth, that guy on ebay still has more 200mW LA-12s for sale. Last one sold for $350.

>>63926016
Yeah but i can sort of undsrstand the fda limit. I dont believe in protecting people from themselves but highpowered lasers are much more dangerous than they appear.
I was really tempted to bid on an la12 but it doesnt sound like you can use it as an effective aiming device.
For 350 its hard to beat.

>>63926076
The FDA limit makes sense on paper, but when you can buy eye-searing 1000mW+ lasers on ebay but not a 20mW LAM from your friendly neighborhood NV store, all it does in practice is inconvenience.
>LA-12
It's not really an aiming device unless you want to improv it into the boots of a GBD-III to call in CAS.
The laser is too dispersed to use as an aiming tool, which is fine given that's not the GLIS' intended purpose. It can be pressed into the role though, since it's built like a PEQ and is more or less the PEQ-15's evil brother. It has a lot of... flexibility as discussed in >>63909067.
Not to harp on it, but you may never see LA-12s this cheap again. They usually sell for over a grand to even more than two.
Somehow this guy got a dozen or so of the fuckers and evidentially needs them gone.

>>63926160
True but i think those chinese shops just dont care about the law at all. Its like wish glock switches.
You are making it hard to pass up. I would like one for aiming but i could make do with it i think. I mainly just shoot trash anyway and if i ever get into hog hunting at night im sure it would be good enough.
Only concern i have is the same as every other light ir laser in that im worried the scar will kill it and i would have no way of repairing it.

>>63925703
>I would expect more from eotech since they are owned by L3.
EOTech split from L3 Harris in 2020.
>https://www.eotechinc.com/about-eotech

>>63926381
Wild. Good for them i guess. I know a couple of guys who used to work at l3, all of them have said its a terrible job and the company is circling the drain but im not sure if thats real or just jaded employees.

There must be a lot less overlap between different optic types than i thought. I figured if you cpuld make a good dot or prism the rest wouldnt be that large of a jump.
I should really reread the optics chapters in my physics books.

>>63924823
Post your plate carrier exactly as you had it set up on that FTX. The most likely scenario is you have it set up in some dumb way and you buying a new plate carrier will do nothing to help as you'll set up the new one in a similarly dumb way. I was issued pic related and made it work through plenty of trips to the field.

>>63925614
Have you got any other pouches on the belt?
I'd go to the Venture Surplus site and browse surplus IFAK pouches which were issued in the same kind of suite of pouches.

>>63925626
Alright, I know theres probably a better term for it, but I just don't fucking know it, so work with me here
i just need a pouch where the molle straps ain't like an inch apart so I can get this bullshit even
>>63926482
Only thing I have on it currently is a kabar adapter, which takes up 3 rows of slots
I don't think venture has a usmc issue ifak pouch that fits right in the middle, which is why i was after something potentially aftermarket

>>63926580
>buys a belt
>literally the only thing he has on it is a Rambo knife

>>63926689
Wow, it's almost as if I'm currently in the process of building it out, insane idea I know
I already have a single mag pouch, dump pouch, tourniquet pouch, and 2 canteen pouches on the way to try and put on there, and it would have already had the ifak in the middle if the one I bought wasn't too big
Also, if a kabar is rambo-tier for you, then you're either a manlet or a fag, probably both if I'm being honest

>>63926709
Put the IFAK you already have on the belt, get rid of the mall ninja knife and put the tourniquet in your shoulder pocket. Voila you have enough space
>dump pouch
For what? Your ONE magazine? Get rid of that too.

>>63926748
>Put the IFAK you already have on the belt
I already said it doesn't fit where I'd like to put it, I'm trying to have the pouch directly in the middle of the belt so the back strap on the suspenders is right in the middle of it.
All I need is to find an ifak pouch with molle straps similar to this mag pouch, not much bigger than it but still able to fit a sekri insert
>get rid of the mall ninja knife
lol no
Might eventually get a better sheath for my glock knife so I can just keep the kabar on my alice kit, but until then I'm going full wannabe marine with my gear
>and put the tourniquet in your shoulder pocket. Voila you have enough space
Might actually do that, but I'm not getting rid of the one on my belt. This isn't a thing of saving space, it's purely about finding an ifak pouch that fits square in the middle so I can effectively and symmetrically set my belt up
>For what? Your ONE magazine? Get rid of that too.
You're getting too obvious with your bait anon, tone it down a little and you might just get me next time
In case you aren't baiting and are actually that dense (more common than you'd think on this site), it shouldn't have to be said that a belt with one mag and a dump pouch is most likely being set up to be used alongside a chest rig or plate carrier

>>63926812
Well, forgot the image, guess I'm gonna get crucified by the Gods of reddit

>>63926812
Post this IFAK, I guarantee you're being retarded and it will fit on your gay ass poorfag belt with no difficulty whatsoever.
>a belt with one mag and a dump pouch is most likely being set up to be used alongside a chest rig or plate carrier
Faggot you have some shit tier $30 surplus belt and literally everything else is still getting shipped to you. I assumed quite rightly that you have no other gear and I'm clearly right about that too.

>>63926820
watch your tone

>>63926820
Why must you insist on being such a fag? Jesus.

>>63926820
>Post this IFAK, I guarantee you're being retarded and it will fit on your gay ass poorfag belt with no difficulty whatsoever.
Gladly. As you can clearly see in the picture, the molle straps are too far apart and will end up taking up 3 rows of webbing instead of just 2 when set up correctly. What I'm trying to do is find one that can just take up the 2 in the middle so I can place the canteen pouches evenly. I can technically shove the straps in the intended rows but that ends up bunching up the middle of the pouch and making it look like shit, so I'd rather just buy a smaller ifak pouch and not have to deal with it being janky
>Faggot you have some shit tier $30 surplus belt and literally everything else is still getting shipped to you. I assumed quite rightly that you have no other gear and I'm clearly right about that too.
Why are you so aggresively retarded? i already have a fully set up alice belt kit and 2 chest rigs, I just decided recently to buy some coyote brown molle gear cause I like how it looks on top of multicam and it's variants. First you assume I'm only running a knife on my belt, next you assume I'm running the belt by itself, and after that you assume that i own no other gear purely based on how assmad you are. Why are your immediate thoughts and reactions so consistently retarded? It genuinely takes effort to be this wrong, it's like scoring 0% on a multiple answer test

>>63926853
You're the drooling retard who can't figure out a molle belt. Post the IFAK

>>63926870
Are you a 12 year old with a 24" waist? How the fuck is having literally 1 less molle column affecting your ability to mount canteens? You're autistically reeeeeeeeing over your canteens not being evenly spaced too?
>i already have a fully set up alice belt kit and 2 chest rigs
Cool so you already have a bunch of gear you don't use. How about chuck all of it in the trash and go play Roblox with your middle school friends you nigger

>>63926870
cut off those old straps and sew new ones on or just ziptie it to you or something

>>63926873
I'm actually not, I'm just pointing out what an absolute baby you're being. Stop being so insecure, or at least hide it better.

>>63926883
>Are you a 12 year old with a 24" waist?
It's called not being a complete landwhale anon
>How the fuck is having literally 1 less molle column affecting your ability to mount canteens?
Your lack of reading comprehension is genuinely astounding. I'm not typing out another explaination for you, look at the picture of the belt and then look at the picture of the ifak pouch, if you can't see why it's not ideal for mounting directly in the middle then thats on you
>You're autistically reeeeeeeeing over your canteens not being evenly spaced too?
God forbid I don't set my gear up like a moron
>Cool so you already have a bunch of gear you don't use. How about chuck all of it in the trash and go play Roblox with your middle school friends you nigger
Anon, I know you're upset that multiple people have called you out for being a total fag, but you don't need to throw a tantrum on some mongolian basket-weaving forum
>>63926896
That's not a bad idea, I still will probably get something a tad smaller than what I have now but I might end up doing that to either the new ifak pouch I get or to the canteen pouches I have on the way. Thanks for the actual advice

How much could I sell a complete medium multi avs for?

>>63926870
Just mount it so it favors the side you wipe your ass from
Your shoulder has more mobility on that side which will make accessing the ifak easier
Just suck up the autism that makes you want it perfectly center

>>63927147
2 dolla

>>63927202
I guess that is always an option, i just always liked the idea of it being easily accessible with both hands. Also it actually being center gives me just enough room to mount the 2 canteen pouches since with what I plan on mounting on the ends leaves me with about 3 rows of webbing on either side of the ifak

>>63926957
>multiple people have called you out for being a total fag
You mean you posting from your PC, your phone and your mom’s iPad?
You’re the retard who can’t figure out how to zip tie a pouch on without posting a 10,000 word essay on sucking cock

>>63927147
I see often complete good condition AVSs on ebay for 600-800, no idea if they actually sell though. Figure as long is its cheaper than the sum of its parts are new, it should move.

>>63927334
NTA but why are you so hyper aggressive? It's really weird and kind of embarrassing for you tbqh.

>>63927334
>You mean you posting from your PC, your phone and your mom’s iPad?
Whatever you need to tell yourself to protect those precious little feelers buddy
>You’re the retard who can’t figure out how to zip tie a pouch on without posting a 10,000 word essay on sucking cock
You stewed for several hours holding in the impotent rage of a million neets just to come up with that? Telling me to nigger-rig it and revealing that you're both illiterate and still mad in the next half of the sentence? Wow bud, you sure got me there

>>63927436
>l-look at how m-mad you are
You’re literally some noguns teenager poorfag airsofter or European

>>63927436
>t. cock sucking faggot who seethes over 1 space of molle on his poorfag belt he’ll never use.

>>63926462
It's the nfm French army plate carrier it's a piece of shit, when it was just the pc it was passable bit putting a backpack on it made the shoulder straps press on the pc shoulder straps and it became painful as fuck

>>63924913
Okay so why is there an $8000 discontinued armasight? What is the affordable way with that?
This entire infographic is based on like random fourm posts.
>>63925001
Thermals are moving quickly, you shouldnt have anything obsolete on there whatsoever. Your gold star choices are based on ????? A high end 384 thermal for $4500???? uwutm8?
>>63926462
>I was issued pic related
Ouch, that thing fucking sucks.
Did like the little pouch with blood type cards though
>>63927616
Core Icevents

>>63927453
At this point, I have to assume you're projecting.

>>63927622
The HYL thermal is 90hz and an Infiray, it's well-specced aside from sensor resolution. The Armasight is older but still competitive on specs.
Nobody is beating Oneleaf on value, so the other options have select advantages.

>>63927713
One leaf still has size and weight issues. If they can produce a thermal at the size of the Rh25v with same or better specs for cheaper then they win.

>>63927713
>90hz 384
A monster truck with 15" tires
Its a stupid suggestion for literally anyone, a 50hz 640 can be had for less money and will mog the fuck out of it.
Dedicated thermal weapon sights as a whole are generally a mistake as well so suggesting an xbox huge one with poor resolution just makes zero sense whatsoever.
>Still compettive on specs
Specs such as?
A low res display? poor refresh weight? 3lb weight? halfmoa adjustments? 10m min focal distance? Zero support since armasight died off?

Its a retarded optic, its doubly retarded to put in "high end". Old thermals are for deals and you better know what youre buying or youre going to end up with an overpriced big heavy brick. Most people overpay for thermals so secondary resale is always inflated as these people attempt to recapture their cost.

>>63926580
>>63926870
Oh I see what you're saying. You got a pretty big ifak I don't think you need one that big from the sounds of it. Try squeezing it into two columns before you do anything else. It's fabric, you have a little wiggle room.

>>63927453
The way you scramble for things to rage about would be kinda funny if i could get past how pathetic and sad it is. Feel free to post your own with timestamp, as much as I don't expect you to I feel it'd be nice surprise if you weren't just projecting
>>63927491
You're still throwing a tantrum over this? How do you start an argument by being a shitter just to end up as the one bitching and crying at the end? This isn't how baiting is supossed to go, I hope you know that

>>63927772
You're pretty much on the money with this. I did try doing that when I first got it, and while it does hold it fairly securely, it ends up bunching up a lot of the back. Technically will work, i just don't like it as a permanent option is all. My options, as I see them currently, are to either buy something aftermarket that's the right size (just need a pouch with the straps close together like on mag pouches) or to modify a USGI ifak pouch to fit the belt better by moving the straps closer together
I will say, I do appreciate the anons giving actual advice, it helps a great deal with how I plan my stuff out

>>63927741
True, although there's likely a reason they have not.
>>63927760
Like I said, you cannot beat Oneleaf on value. The Infiray has better refresh, which is neat but not worthy of earning a diamond.
The Armasight has a 100mm lens and a very good detection range, plus it's 640x480 60hz.

>>63927832
>there's likely a reason they have not
Of course.

>>63927832
Obsolete sensors like the TAU 2 powering the armasight are always going to produce an inferior image to a modern 640 package. Combine this with inferior post processing of prehistoric thermal and youre going to get a worse image regardless of the spec on hand.
An RH25v1 with a 25mm objective, similar display res and similar sensor specs will outperform a yoter-c with its 50mm objective.

>>63927848
A2 is based oneleaf enjoyer confirmed.

>>63927965
Honestly really want one of the DNT thermsights with the fused day/thermal image and integrated LRF. While probably shitty at all of those because ltierallywho its a mark of the future to come.

Neeed someone to overclock a sony sensor like sionyx and jam it in there with a red dot boss uptop and we are 90% of the way there.

>>63927995
Any time behind a PAS-28? At what price would it be a good buy, assuming good condition?
Primarily just looking for lp/op usage

>>63928450
>At what price
Probably free or close to
They are massive and dont warrant being that big to the level of performance they provide. Objective size is largely meaningless on that old of a core.

Thermals are one of the things that genuinely has gotten better in the past 10 years. Buying obsolete military thermals is rarely worth it.

>>63928637
Figured. Will just go with a Taipan, ty

NEW >>63929644
NEW >>63929644
NEW >>63929644
NEW >>63929644
NEW >>63929644