What are the biggest downsides of joining the military?

>>63931362 (OP)
MREs

joining the military

>>63931362 (OP)
Can't pick where you're gonna live, someone might decide where you die. Idk. Lot of benefits even for a grunt with no prospects, pretty much their only option. My uncle served and it caused a huge strain on his family to the point he divorced his wife (also in the military), and it caused this awful situation where he had to follow his bitch of an ex-wife around because she had the kids. I guess everyone has to do that who's divorced, but with the added stress of having to coordinate a big move with her every couple of years. That wasn't too good.
>don't want to have kids and just bang hookers?
No downsides for you then, champ. Go get em.

FREE healthcare for life, be set in 20 years time from enlistment off a pension, and no one is really going to war again in the first world so it's gonna be easy street. I'd say those are good enough.

People in civilized countries: there's a risk of getting into a war zone and getting shot
Americans: none, the odds of being randomly shot are similar in the military or any American school or public place

>>63931362 (OP)
>shit pay
>meh benefits (Tricare is definitely nice, and absolutely worth it if you join with a college degree)
>shit leadership
>shit food (unless you layer it in Tabasco)
>shit job prospects outside of your MO (besides becoming a cop*.)
Other anons feel free to give your opinions.

*state paid swine.

>>63931362 (OP)
Having a dad you want to embarrass so you get a train ran through you and put it online.

>>63931407
>>shit job prospects outside of your MO (besides becoming a cop*.)
This avenue isn't as granted as it used to be. Some departments have some serious requirements that a grunt can't meet. It's also an issue of changing demos of a lot of police forces. Less and less military guys become cops, so they're less inclined to prefer them. I'm mainly talking about the police forces people want to join, rich, white, and low crime departments, who often have prior policing experience policies. Still can join some hick town or fucked city immediately, but so can jimbob or jamal.

>>63931362 (OP)
beyond what the others stated it also heavily fucks up your body in the longrun

>>63931362 (OP)
Idk but let me tell you the biggest upside: fast-tracking you into being an airline pilot for a major carrier, provided you joined the Air Force as an officer and flew a bunch.
Major airline carriers have wet dreams every night about Air Force retirees wanting to fly 777s for them.

>>63931452
Depends what you do. My friend who was in the Navy for 10 years is fine physically because all he did was work in base medical centers. Mostly just drew blood, did paperwork, and called people prior to appointments. 10 years of that didn't mess him up.

>>63931456
lol, no one here is becoming a pilot for any branch.
>777
I ain't going

>>63931407
for me, its Texas Pete

>>63931471
>Texas Pete
Nigga get out of here with that shit

>>63931456
>airline pilot
It's almost better to be a Helo pilot. Medical pilots get to go home everyday.

>>63931466
You aren't wrong anon. Emirates pays goooooooooood though and they fly triple 7s.
>>63931475
True but helos are an order of magnitude more difficult to fly.

The potential of dying for Israel.

>>63931537
Fax

>>63931362 (OP)
Hanging over moral decision making to a pedophilic gerontocracy.

>>63931362 (OP)
>Mayli
Why are we letting Chinese spies into the military, much less such a senior rank?

>>63931569
She was a hapa porn star with a Goldman Sachs (or similar) rich white daddy, now does weird wet newspaper "art". Not a spy.

>>63931362 (OP)
You will be potentially risking your life for a country and politicians that hate you and that would never send their own children into the military unless it's a nepo office position.

You will be wasting years of your life in a position that makes below industry average for any skilled entry job. You will be lacking years of experience making your civilian life harder after you leave the military. People and civilian companies will think less of you (at least in Europe). You will be discriminated against in job offers.

You will potentially see real action that will fuck your head up. You will potentially get disfigured or crippled. You will suffer from horrible ajd harsh training and conditions. You will suffer from insane boredom afterwards if you don't see action. You will be made fun of online. You will probably fuck up your back or knees before you hit 30.

>>63931362 (OP)
the facial abuse guys treat women with more respect than the US military treats its soldiers

>>63931636
ok proggy zoomer
/k/ is not for you

>>63931362 (OP)
Even if you never get shot at once in your entire career you'll probably come away with some kind of trauma simply because of the absolute bullshit the service and your 'colleagues' will throw at you for no reason.

>>63931725
Yeah. People kill themselves constantly even if you don't see combat. Most people are high functioning alcoholics.

>>63931362 (OP)
>that Pic
it's perfect OP, thanks

>>63931661
I guess all the vet homeless I see are just russian bots

>>63931362 (OP)
If you're a disagreeable person that hates taking orders from authority and being told what to do? Think about it, you have no choice or freedom. It's not a job you can just quit and walk away from. It's not a friendship you can end. It's basically a prison sentence where you have to be a cuck under fear of prison.

>>63931362 (OP)
They decide where you get to live during your tour.

>>63931407
>shit food.
depends on the MRE and chow hall. Some chowhalls are like restaurants, others are slop.

>>63931835
They are actually, I program them from my secret facility in Portland, OR. They're so accurate, that they love to drink, and smoke fent. One would think they're close to actual people, much like Yul Brynner.

>>63931384
mr larper, you're not gonna eat MRE ofthen if any at all unless you got deployed to actual warzone away from your base

>>63931362 (OP)
subordination, the dumbest person could tell you to do the dumbest thing, and it would be a shame to refuse.

>>63931362 (OP)
>>63931384

are heart shaped waffles included in MREs ?

down sides

dried food, military early morning marching buefore breakfask 3km run, 4 am wake ups 6 p.m miltary curfu and forced sleep protocol
having to iron your uniform every fucking morning
3 minute showers ( yes its that butal)
having to do push ups because some tubby fat bastard didn't finish under 30 min 3km run)
and this is all before breakfast
>not allowed to see special forces even at breakfast have to clear out before they get there. (you literally can be arrested by millitary police by acciently eyeballing one on accient.

females and males have different barracks
and different dress codes
if your a private everyone calls you "new meat".
you get called names by NGOs (non commioned officers)
privates get dumb jobs like peeling potatos if your last to mess hall.
>random yelling drilll sagant for a ironed crease in the wrong part (yes they made one priovate iron all his uniform naked in the wind because he didn't make the crease visable to- the drill sarget so i0t was nude in the freezing wind)
in boot camp there is a random invasion in the camp and everyone gets hit bny random bean bag

in boot camp you speand two weeks getting woken up at random and droped in the middle of the forest assume all are hostile and return back to the barracks without being seen. with 300 random recruits looking for you and keeping squad mates alive.
getting lost on purpose so other new recurits can find you to haul your ass to the medics tent

randomly attacking dummyus pretending they are terrorists without shooting a single civilian dummy in under 7 mins clearing the whole house of hostiles.

mag dump an entire rifes bullets on a singel dummy without missing under 30 seconds
with bolt action rifles (old ww1 rifles btw for basics).

storing ammo and weapon seperately after each fire lesson.

waking up officers for inspection at 3am

forced pushups for idoits who don't salute a officer

that was the annogying shit.

>>63931362 (OP)
making filthy kike bankers money

>>63931362 (OP)
>What are the biggest downsides of joining the military?
Being in the military.

>>63931362 (OP)
I would marry her, except that I’ve already given my heart to Sasha Grey.

>>63931362 (OP)
I ain't slept in four years and I'm not about to start now.

>>63932629
Your mistake is thinking that you have to choose.

>>63931635
>You will be wasting years of your life in a position that makes below industry average for any skilled entry job. You will be lacking years of experience making your civilian life harder after you leave the military. People and civilian companies will think less of you (at least in Europe). You will be discriminated against in job offers.

This isn't true if you pick the right military job. The military is a good way to learn a trade that otherwise might be hard to enter, and earn a good wage while training for the trade with also a lot of perks for housing healthcare etc. The main drawback being you don't get to decide where you do it, and that you must return your service a number of years after becoming qualified before you can get out again and use your skill in civi street

I spent 5 years as a young guy in the infantry and I can say while that was a big experience in my life that you can't get elsewhere, don't do it if you are clever enough for more. Although I'm pretty sure that military experience has got me jobs since more than it has closed them to me, and the experience does you well for certain things in your work ethic potentially leadership etc they were still entry level unskilled jobs until I got going in the profession I got into. Look instead at the military as something to use for the training and perks. Look at it like going to university, pick a good trade with good prospect for your later life. Use it and don't let it use you too much, and don't get caught up in the 18 year old bullshit that it's somehow better to do the hardest jobs and be at the arse end of it.

I'm actually considering going back in after a long time to reskill into a technical trade this time with the airforce. I'm just a bit worried these days to drag my wife and a couple of babies around different bases away from her family while doing it

>>63931456
10 years contract for pilots where I live before you could think about leaving and flying for someone else

>>63931362 (OP)
>>>/k/meg
stop duping these trash off-topic fucking threads and keep it contained in your approved slop heap

>>63932301
Have ever served? They dump all the soon to be expired mre in bootcamp

accelerated erosion of cartilage

- shit living conditions
- having to listen to retards who command you
- shit pay

>>63931362 (OP)
Isn't it obvious?

>>63931362 (OP)
I don't care how many have cum before me. WOULD.

>>63933327
Fat wives?

>>63932419
What country?

>>63933344
Typical white trash lol she divorced him and he OD'd on alcohol and morphine in 2012 good riddance.

>>63931456
>provided you joined the Air Force as an officer and flew a bunch.
Navy and USMC also fly jets. Naval Aviators are preferred by some of the airlines, mostly Southwest and Delta.

In general after you get the 750 for mil-atp you're gtg if you were in any jet, inline thrust isn't considered a dealbreaker. If you were really committed to the air force route the usual path is Air Guard for a refueller etc and then after the 2 years of post- school unit seasoning you go airlines. Kind of a bitch though since there aren't a lot of guard refueling wings near major hubs so you'll probably end up a regional Capt rather than a long haul FO. Overall the best approach if you're just trying to use your mil time to get into the airlines.

>>63931466
You sure about that? Picrel

took so much cum to the face that her skin is forever shiny and sticky

>>63931362 (OP)
Likelihood of being sexually harassed/assaulted, whether you're male or female.
High likelihood of being forced to work with hazardous chemicals without proper safety equipment, the long term health problems you develop as a result will probably not be covered by the VA.
80% of women into military guys either want a one night stand or are gold diggers.
Possibility of losing a limb and/or waking up in the middle of the night with PTSD episodes for the rest of your life.
Possibility of getting hurt/killed because of someone else's incompetence (or malice).
You won't get to actually do cool shit like in the movies.

>>63931958
I'm curious the ranking of the chowhalls of each branch. I never tried air forces but I hear they're the best ones. I've had marines and its absolute pure dog shit.

>>63933378
>Brown

>>63931362 (OP)
man it would have been sweet if she made a military themed vid

>>63931474
>Fellow crystal enjoyer
Based, it's the best hot sauce

>>63933378
>>63933327
>Ty Ziegel (USMC)

Typical woman, making dumb decisions without consideration for the future.

The dude may have been better off dying instead of living like that for 8 more years.

>>63931362 (OP)
A better question is what are the upsides?
>college benefits
>healthcare benefits
>VA homeloan
>uhhhh
>brotherhood? (Drinking yourself stupid in the barracks with your buddies until you marry the first barracks bunny for BAH)
That's it

>>63933448
Nah, she obviously didn't want to stay married to someone that looked like a monster. Her pitiful face says everything you need to know. They literally divorced a year later lol.

>>63933425
Well back when I was in Tech School at Goodfellow we had chimichurri and flank steak sandwiches which were genuinely pretty good. After that I couldn't tell ya though; they gave us BAS for my duty station because our work hours were basically incompatible with the DFAC.

What if it was the best glow job you ever had?

>>63933524
"glow job" Did you not already see the past posts kid? XD

>>63933311
dunno, my military prefers to dump those to civilian market for mmuh prepers and other military larpers, if we get something close to MRE, it's a big and nice SPAM version of canned meat
also I've seen the italian MRE, they also have nothing to complain about

>>63933311
Yeah and that's likely to be the only time that people in the military who aren't infantry are liable to eat the things unless they decide to go down to the commissary and lay down 12 bucks for the privilege, was for me and most of the folks i talked to.

>>63931362 (OP)
Even if the concept is great the execution sucks ass. A.I. is fucking shit and anyone that uses it is a self-hating retard that should be culled for the good of the species.

>>63931407
>>63931471
>>63931474
>>63933443
>Not Valentina Negra
Disgusting

>>63931362 (OP)
Shit pay, being assumed to be a lazy retard by the private sector once you get out.

It's hard to put into words how bad the office culture is. I have never been in an organisation with more pissy entitled bitches playing office politics and it's made worse by the fact that anyone competent has a plan that involves them eventually leaving while the incompetent just stick around until they get promoted by inertia.

My signal to leave was when I looked around and saw that most of the good guys had left and my command structure had become an unironic nazi and a badly divorced dude with a drinking problem.

>>63931407
I hear a lot of police forces try to limit military applicants. There's a differently mentality required for policing and a lot more focus these days on cops being backup social services and mental hospital security.

>>63933453
>Sunny days sat in a field with your buddies cracking jokes and talking about nothing in particular like you're all kids again.
>A lot of incredibly funny moments - usually where things go wrong.
>It's easy to save money on deployments and if you can resist blowing it all that makes a good chunk of cash to take with you when you leave.
>It taught me a lot of managing stress and seeing the big picture. People now comment that I naturally calm them down like I'm Bob Ross and I'm good in a crisis.

Wouldn't do it again though.

>>63933734
Forgot to add:
Still would, she's a billionaire, wish she did something more vanilla

No long term career, poverty, social isolation, permanent injury, unemployment, substance abuse, suicide

In my county the risk is 23 times greater for veterans to suffer any one of these, five times higher to suffer more than three at the same time.

The rate of sexual assault against service people is about the same as in prison, they can't even work out even an approximate number, martial courts illegaly suppress reporting.

And that's in peace time, when few soldiers are seeing close combat and nobody is seeing near peer conflict. In wartime a third of enlisted personele would probably die within two years, on top of everything else

Also for those reading, I've personally been banned three times from /k/ for discouraging people enlisting.
/meg/ is 100% a shill thread that someone is paid USD to protect. Try it yourself, see for yourself. You're not allowed to bash the US army on /k/.

>>63931362 (OP)
>What are the biggest downsides of joining the military?
You will be force to die in some desert shithole for Israel.

And people say the pay is good, but it just isn't.
Because in terms of hours worked, you're clocked on 10,12,16, 24 hours a day. The hourly salary isn't even minimum wage, you might as well work 12 hour days at McDonald's.
The army is for some reason allowed to lie about salaries, by counting allowances they pay you, for things which are mandatory, as salary.
If I'm paid $100 on Monday but forced to buy a $10 uniform, my salary is $90.
If I'm paid $90 and given a free shirt, my salary is still $90. If I'm paid 100 and given a 10$ allowance to buy a 20 shirt, I still leave work with only 90$.

And there are also benefits that in the US many employees get even in low paid jobs which are notably lacking in the army. So insurance, if your injured in the army your can't claim private insurance on that, and you can't sue the army like you would any other employer. So if you're on base, and some retard drops a crate of MRE on your foot, you're kind of fucked. That's why the US army is famous for producing wounded vets. Many were just injured in industrial accidents on bases.

And then you consider bills you might be paying pack home even when deployed, notably child support, interest on debts, student loans. And that would be multiplied by every year you're employed by the army. Yes you could use your army salary to pay off those debts but again, realistically you're not coming out with much money.

And then there are expenses troops incur out of pocket. Overprice alcohol, prostitution, buying your own sunglasses, gloves, helmet liners, upgrading your own equipment. And often either you spend four years in second hand, inadequate uniform, or pay a cartel price for army approved suppliers, the same scam private schools run with their uniform

>>63931384
They aren't that bad. First strike bars are pretty gud

>>63933856
The only one shilling in MEG is you BCDschizo

>>63931407
>Job prospects
Note this really only applies if your combat arms which yeah I know that's what most of /k/ is probably interested in. If you go to basically any other MOS there's civilians equivalent and/or contracting work that pays very well

>>63931362 (OP)
ass hurts from all the gay sex

>>63931362 (OP)
you sign away your rights for years of active duty and for years after. Just because you served and your time is up the DOD can activate stop loss and keep you in. They can waste your time and life doing worthless shit for no reason. Its run by actual retarded losers who only suck ass to get promoted.

>>63931362 (OP)
Is it true HAPA daughters just want their white dads to breed them, and if they dont they lash out?

>>63931362 (OP)
There's women there

>>63931362 (OP)
>"ARE THOSE SUNGLASSES AUTHORIZED?"
>"DID YOU SHAVE TODAY?"
>"TUCK THOSE BALLS IN!"

>>63933856
>discouraging people enlisting
You were spamming trannies and other /pol/ garbage weren't you

>>63931362 (OP)
my story:
>joined the marines as a radio tech
>got to shoot cool guns for free for a few years
>made great friends
>never got sent to fight for israel
>get out
>went to college for free
>got engineering degree
>used secret clearance from comm MOS to get my first engineering job
>used first engineering job to get my next job that gave me a TS clearance
>as a result I can never be unemployed and I cant ever be replaced by an indian
it worked out for me very well

>>63933630
nta but I had them pretty frequently without being deployed. I was a medic attached to a combat arms unit for most of it so wound up having lots of crap to do on my own

>>63935648
Umm ackshually youre a fat basedjak who is dying for israel, land of the free ameritard!!! im a true american who would never join evil infidel american military hahahahaha
>t. john from cincinnatibad

>>63931490
>Emerates pay more

Of course they do, that stench isn't coming off your clothes ever.

>>63935588
>5588

Uncomfortable truth...

>>63931362 (OP)
Honestly just the complete dice roll on if your superiors are halfway decent human beings or not. If they are, you'll have a fairly decent time no matter where you go or what job you have. If they're retarded mongoloids or slimy spineless eval-chasers, you are completely and utterly fucked with zero recourse until either you or they leave the unit. I cannot emphasize enough just how shitty and mindbreaking it is to work for people who treat you like shit and also have a lot more legal power over you than your average civilian manager.

>>63935648
>>63933876
>brown

>>63936229
>"yes fellow whites, dying for israel is the whitest thing we can do"

>>63931407
>shit food
Where were you stationed?

>>63936830
>Whites dying for whites is bad

>>63936963
>israel
>white
you were so close

>>63931362 (OP)
Idk but all the vets I knew either blew their brains out or overdosed on opiates, so the benefits can’t be that good.

>>63931635
>People and civilian companies will think less of you (at least in Europe).

This was my grandfather's experience and he served in the Belgian Paracommando Brigade (saw action in Congo and a couple of other African shitholes in the 60s). He's Jewish though so that might've skewered it for him too.

>>63931362 (OP)
Mayli moving up in the world

>another vatnik posted demoralization thread
Stop thinking about benefit and pay, serving one country is the duty of every citizen, same with defending our allies, that includes Israel

>>63931362 (OP)
>What are the biggest downsides of joining the military?
Mutilation or death.
Having to kill someone who is not a fighter or is wounded because you were ordered to or having to see such things and keep silent and becoming dammed.
Seeing so much death you no longer value human life or your own.
Nighmares in your 40s so bad you can't get rem sleep
Or you might end up sittinng in a chair in a basement sorting bolts.
Looking your sight and hearing and living in darkness and silence.
Loosing your sexual organs and beoming a eunch.
Burn injuries and graffts turning you into a monster doped up on pain meds forever.
Paralysis from the waist or neck down
Cancer.
Becoming an adrealine junkie to keeps starting rows and winds up sittng under an underpass
Hitting your mid 30s and getting discharged and not being able to even handle paying bills or working retail
Roll that dice.

>>63931635
>People and civilian companies will think less of you (at least in Europe).
Completely untrue. In fact companies accross Europe generally view ex service people as completely normal. Most major European nations had mass conscription up to the late 80s. Most people have fathers who were in.

Its Americans who are derranged fantasists about the military

>>63931362 (OP)
I joined when I was 19 and got out when I was 30 and the worst part was just trying to relate to civilians my age and every civilian job is filled with lazy fat people. The military sucks and is full of shitbags but there are 10x more shitbags everywhere else.

>>63933716
is that your mother's stage name?

>>63931362 (OP)
Killing and dying for Israel

>>63933579
>still has eyes
What's the problem? Just wear a mask.

>>63933579
>German
>is brown (I don't think it's the burns either)

>>63938499
He's got that reverse vitiligo, horrible condition for us white people

>>63931362 (OP)
what a pretty innocent angel

>>63931475
it's almost the only way to be a helo pilot. Training as a civilian is crazy expensive and low-hour jobs are few and far between. Army offered me a warrant officer helo contract after I got out of high school and got a 97 on ASVAB and I'll forever regret not doing it, because I really wish I could fly helos now and it's just not economically viable.

>>63932301
You got so fucking spoiled thenz we had MREs every week.

>>63931362 (OP)
For her? The miles of dick she will be taking.

>>63941351
>downsides

>>63931384
MRE's are pretty delicious and you're an idiot

>>63933579
I feel like if you look like this you really ought to go Joshua Graham style and just keep your face covered in bandages
>lather yourself in aloe vera
>bandage up
>now your skin is more comfortable and you look cooler and less hideous