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FYI from last thread, all recent /gq/ infographics are now kept in an imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6

Since the subject got raised last thread, mag pouches.

And breaching tools, haven't busted this one out in a minute. That's all I'll post for now.

>>64006207
I'm actually genuinely curious about this now. Why would they make and sell multiple worse versions on purpose?
I assume the "small" version's numbers being worse are because it doesn't fit as well in the industry standard test rig (or something), but what about the other ones?

>all infographics are hosted in an imgur album
>but we'll proceed to spam them anyways

>>64005924
If you have hours to burn, a cordura thread spool, some webbing, pliers, and a bottle cap, you can bypass some price walls.

>>64005924
I'd like to see pants belt–attached MOLLE panels so you could have X number of MOLLE columns attached to your pants without necessarily committing to a whole battle belt—just, like, 12" here and 6" there or whatever
Like you could have a shingle that had your 2×pistol 1×rifle dump pouch and IFAK wrapped around your 11–6-o'clock and leave the other half of your beltline free for an IWB holster and not have the extra MOLLE belt bulk in places you don't need it
It's a niche application, but somebody probably needs/wants it.

>>64005924
>Is there a niche not being filled by anyone currently?
Magazine pouches and Spiritus-compatible (e.g., JSTA 5.56+pistol) inserts specifically for AUG magazines
Lots of pouches fit—usually AK pouches—and Esstac makes a handful of AUG-specific SKUs but there's a market space drooling for magazine pouches explicitly bespoke for the third-most-popular assault rifle in the world.

>>64006607
setup looks comfy

>>64006629
Ronin Tactics Gun Sleeve, and The Raptor Tactical Molle Extentions come to mind

>>64006607
Nice kit dude

>>64006676
>>64006629
Why not just buy an AXL eclipse? These are a bargain if you already have an inner belt, if not buy a temu one

>>64006676
Right ballpark, but they look like they're made with the expectation that you'll velcro them around an inner belt; I'm looking for a sleeve that you can basically MOLLE-weave onto any trouser belt—something halfway between clipping individual pouches onto your normie belt and committing to the fuzzy belt life.

Infographictard is a nigger faggot who sucks AIDS-ridden cock through gloryholes.

Took me 5 minutes to make and literally everything I put in it is objectively correct and the best setup possible.

>>64006682
chicom rig? how you like it?
based nods

>>64006707
>Buy a safariland holster
Yeah, I wish I could, except they don't make them for my pistol.

>>64006242
Where do breachpens fit into this?

>>64006733
"quit being pointlessly contrarian and buy a Glock like a normal person"

>>64006723
No, its a tactical tailor rig. It's great for what it is, magazine retention plus 2 fuckhuge gp pouches. 12 ar mags or 8 ak mags.

>>64006707
lol whoever made this clearly owns none of the gear in the picture, hopefully its ironic but this place is so retarded sometimes you can't tell

>>64006707
yeah, the infographics are way better than whatever this is

>>64006765
I want to believe that "just become a trauma surgeon, bro" is not meant seriously.

>>64006607
That's basically the plan, except with a heavy duty sewing machine. So long as I could bust out one piece in a combined 20 minutes of steps, I'd be earning more than my last shitty job.

>>64006777
Hope you got that one tool to undo seams. Since I didn't have one, I had to hand do them all while trying not to accidently locking the molle on the other side. That tool could've made my dusty sewing machine get some work in by opening up that inner material. Other than that and marking where to sew with a marker, good luck.

>>64006706
>that you can basically MOLLE-weave onto any trouser belt
Errata: actually, it should attach via clips so you can just pop on half of a battle belt while you're digging your Sig Rattler or B&T TP9 out of your giant EDC backpack when shit pops off
This is a very specific use case but the target audience will whip out their credit cards instantly as soon as they find out the product exists

>>64006629
Add a small spot for the shins for EDCs and use a bit extra thread to make sure things don't rip off after a while

>>64006777
>a heavy duty sewing machine
I have been told that Singer is mid at best and basically coasting on brand recognition.

>>64006707
The dump pouch is literally the one piece of gear that is actually useful and not some faggot ass iwishiservedbutimtooscaredtoobutgonnassyitsbecauseofzog cope

>>64006798
Actually actually, since you don't have to offer dozens of SKUs per colorway to accommodate different belt sizes—just a couple to accommodate 2p1r/1p2r and different size dump/medical—you could have fast-attach clips, "beltMOLLE" (a series of horizontal passthroughs that the user could route over/under depending on the location of his pants belt loops), and some sort of hook/loop attachment for normal liner belts

>>64006765
>>64006772
Literally go on the socomarchive page and you'll find at least 100 pictures of that exact setup

>>64007122
yea but are you pretrained in hospital retrieval bro?

>>64007153
If you can't perform surgery in the field you're dead. I'm right.

>>64006736
Formerly in 200% larp, A2 raised some very good points as to why they're a bad decision.

>>64006707
You've been crashing out for a week Anon. Time to find a new hobby.

>>64006707
fun read, thanks.

>>64006707
This has the energy of someone who really, really needs to get a job

Hey anons do I need plates in the woods? Do bears have guns?

>>64006738
ew no

>>64007774
You dont need anything anon.

>>64007774
No anon, you just need to go into the woods.

>>64007774
Yeah

>>64007707
It's like half the thread at this point. I don't know who's worse, the guys consistently egging him on, or him. I'll admit I was one of the first people to point out the infographics weren't really the best, but then it blew up to like a four thread long debate.

>>64006707
This is shitposty, but its kinda right. Looking at the old pastebins and comparing them to 2025 recs, the things that have stood the test of time are JPCs, 3-mag placards and AWS belts. Only reason people want anything else is because every mfer has to be different; they want to flex and feel special by having something esoteric. Which I guess is the whole point of being a gearqueer, but it doesn't make for useful recommendations.

>>64007795
I live /innawoods/ anon. I love it, and I’m considering a TAPS rig but don’t want to end up dressing like the recon class from bf4. Which I almost do anyway.

>>64006223 (OP)
Do we have any other swamperators innathread?

I'm going to cut the belt off that comes with the waders and mate the loops to a rigger's belt so I can add my normal belt kit to the set up

>>64007874
>the things that have stood the test of time
They really haven't. This is just everyone larping as late GWOT oper8ors. That gear choice was for a very narrow use case by professionals and shouldn't be inspiration for Anon's kit.
>JPC
The JPC is a very niche carrier. People only recommend because its cheap while still being crye and therefore gucci. And its so small its comfortable when flat range larping. But it has a lot of downsides anyone who has ever used them knows very well. It falls apart, especially where the shoulder straps meet the platebag. And they are really easy to overload. It has its place but it really shouldn't be the go to option. if you want crye, get the AVS. If you want a relatively lightweight carrier with a structural bund, there's a bunch of options that are more durable than the JPC. BUT they wont get you reddit points.
>3-mag placards
Not enough ammo for any real use case. The 3 mag thing is such a gamer/larper setup. Its gone way past meme state to just embarrassing.
>AWS belts
These are actually great. But like the JPC, pistol shooters belts are over emphasized. If you want a good made in America belt for USPSA or as a cop, its a good option. Its not ideal for a rifleman. LBE belts that can carry a real load are more appropriate.

>>64007963
>People only recommend because its cheap while still being crye and therefore gucci. And its so small its comfortable when flat range larping.
This is all that really matters IMO. The point is fundamentally to get plates on chests, and in that sense the JPC is a perfectly good starting carrier. People will from there decide their specific needs and preferences based on use and change to something more suitable for them if they wish.
>It falls apart, especially where the shoulder straps meet the platebag.
It doesn't get said enough, but all nylon is perishable.
>BUT they wont get you reddit points.
They absolutely will, reddit thrives on novelty and having an enlightened third option.
>Not enough ammo for any real use case.
That doesn't preclude carrying more ammo elsewhere, only that you'll inevitably put 3 mags across your front.
>Its not ideal for a rifleman.
I find the rifleman obsession of today as dubious as the SOF obsession of 10 years ago. LBE is situational, and IMO pistols are more relevant to civilians than rifles.

A lot of people slobber on belt kits these days. Unless you’re larping I don’t see how it’s better than real backpack+chest rig.

>>64008007
>reddit thrives on novelty and having an enlightened third option.
Reddit thrives on nothing. That's it, just nothing. There is no soul, no joy, just the mechanical slavery of the votes in strict adherence with the hivemind.
What is the hivemind, you ask? It is the opinion of the week. It is whatever must sell, so it is whatever shall be shilled. Such is the way of reddit.

>>64007878
Anything that carries "what you need"

>>64007878
Take a look at the Citadel Defense Spectre chest rig. Holds up to 6 AR mags, has 2 GP pouches similar to the USGI canteen pouch, map pocket, H-harness included, made in USA, etc. $210. Not as cheap as a surplus TAP rig, but a hell of a lot better.

https://www.citadeldefensemn.com/store/p/the-spectre-american-minuteman-chest-rig

>>64008007
>IMO pistols are more relevant to civilians than rifles.
In general yes I agree. pistols are more relevant. You don't CCW an AR. But carrying a pistol on your full kit is a waste of space and weight. Rifle kit and CCW kit are two separate things. I have one real use case for open carrying a handgun that isn't competition, and its protection from predators while hunting.
>but all nylon is perishable.
Sure but there's a difference between perishable and fragile. JPCs got a reputation as a one deployment carrier in the military for a reason.
>That doesn't preclude carrying more ammo elsewhere, only that you'll inevitably put 3 mags across your front.
Sure, but the shitpost I was critiquing, and most advice with them just end there. And we step back and look at the larger picture, a JPC is not a good platform for carrying a lot more ammo once you factor in the other things you need too. You could pair it with an LBE belt, but the guys I see doing real belt kit aren't wearing JPCs too. There's a correlation with JPCs, three mags, and a pistol belt as the setup. And its the totality of the setup that's the real issue.
>>64008026
Different use cases. Belt kits can carry more than a chest rig and more comfortably but are more mobile than a backpack. You can wear a pack with a belt rig but its going to be a smaller 30-35L rather than a full ruck. The butt pack and belt basically takes up the bottom of a ruck. Chest rigs are betting with getting in and out of vehicles and your stuff is quicker to get to.

I don't think the JPC is a great buy in 2025. If you want a JPC style carrier with a structural cummerbund, take a look at the Javlin Concepts A-JAC. The plate bags are $199, and their structural cummerbund with Tubes is $167. Then add whatever you want.

/gq/ I need help, I am literally stupid.

How the fuck do I know which SureFire switch I can use? I have an SF M600DF and two StreamLight ProTacs.

>>64008344
Buy an ad faggot

>>64008344
I'm gonn' A-JAC off to $199 plate bags instead of buying a $50 condor

>>64007122
yeah but youre not a socom operator anon.

>>64007878
TAPS is based, cheap and versatile. useful for a lot of stuff, doesnt even need to be ""tactical"".

>>64008007
if the goal is to get plates on chests, then literally any basic condor tier carrier will work.

>>64007963
and fwiw the 3 mag placard is realistically fine for a vast majority of applications a civilian will face. 6+ mags only make sense for extended ops without supply, nobody ITT will be experiencing that. At best its a good setup for 2 gun, at worst its just a LARP (and most idiots aren't honest with themselves when it comes to LARPing)

>>64008642
>At best its a good setup for 2 gun,
should specify that the 3 mag placard is what I was talking about

>>64008007
>The point is fundamentally to get plates on chests,
This feels like a way to rehabilitate RMA back into /gq/, if the goal is to "just get plates on chests" then a pair of crappy 1155s is only $200.

>>64008662
>rehabilitate RMA
lol. Impossible. Aside from Reddit, even the most clickbait shill websites on the internet know that RMA is shit.
> https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-body-armor/

How are those 3M ears with the Bluetooth?

>>64006777
just get into it for yourself, don't plan on making every new hobby your full time job in an industry that's already over saturated.

Hi Steve

>>64008662
>>64008678
Still very well regarded on Arfcom since Buff is doing a lot of legwork for them with the 1165 and XRT.
In reality I'd argue it is actually the inverse. RMA's reputation is generally good among most forums, but poor for people that have been around the block a few times and remember the 1145, 1155, 1189, 1192, and 1199 fiascos as they happened. Where they gained significant ground is with the easily-swayed crowd that would ordinarily buy Botach / AR500 - which also got ripped pretty badly by the 4SUS4.

Finally pulled the trigger on an Opscore SF and some Comtac 8s and god damn it’s so much better than an ACH and some shitty Howard Leights

Finally pulled the trigger on an Opscore SF and some Comtac 8s and god damn it’s so much better than an ACH and some shitty Howard Leights

>>64008642
>>64008658
>fwiw the 3 mag placard is realistically fine for a vast majority of applications a civilian will face.
Outside of competition and larp a civilian would only be in a situation where full kit is appropriate if things have gone seriously wrong. In which case, resupply from who? I think 6 mags on kit and one in the gun is a reasonable starting point. That's a basic fighting load.

>>64008763
I agree. Even then, that's one engagement and you're going to be light if you're re-engaged or run into a second force. It's ultimately a function of your objective, expected resupply capability, environment, and your own fitness.

>>64008733
Fuck yeah dude. Also if you or any anon thinks about getting amp arms for your comtacs, please use the gibbous adapters over the AXL's. AXL was big doo doo

http://gibbousoutfitters.com/products/comtac-headset-adapter

>>64008763
>>64008774
yes exactly, but the point is that it will NEVER HAPPEN. When you internalize this, you realize that everything else is a LARP

>>64008799
I was considering the noizebarrier arms with gibbous adapters before, but I realized they would get in the way of the little Velcro patch I have on the side for downlead retention. How do you secure your cables?

>>64008817
Depends on the location on the helmet, but usually cable retention solutions are velcro, 550 cord, shock cord, small bungie cords, or zipties.

>>64008827
*and gorilla tape, almost forgot

>>64008827
I understand that, I was asking how/where you specifically retain your cables with the amp arms. Right now I have the koffin Velcro patch on the side that retains them so they don’t smack me in the neck

>>64008808
>tfw you spent 10k to prepare for something that will never happen because nothing ever happens and whatever happens is nothing

>>64008839
its in the picture...

>>64006707
>non-retarded infographic
>buy a JPC 1.0
I'm glad to see airsofters still browse /gq/

So im looking for light/mid/heavy weight jackets to use when stationary that i can put over my plate carrier.
I'd just be wearing a combat shirt while moving and putting the jacket on after stopping for long pauses.
Im in Europe so mind that for availability, they also have to be available in multicam.

LIGHT

Carinthia TLG, seems to be the best option, can find it new for a good price, light and Packable, decent outer shell durability.
Arcteryx atom and defence mechanisms helion B are runner ups but for price and availability the TLG is better.

MID

Carinthia MIG seems decent but it's cut as a garrison jacket not to fit over gear and doesn't come in mc.
Arcteryx cold wx seems pretty nice as it also has the goretex liner windstopper, but the outer shell seems fragile and it's expensive as fuck.
Otte gear Level 7 jacket maybe but it's on the lighter side.

So yeah idk in general, the arcteryx seems the best one but it's expensive.

HEAVY

In this case I could ditch the multicam as in these temps it's going to be snowy.

ECWCS LVL7 marshmellow jacket, simple as, available, "cheap" (got much more expensive lately).
Otherwise I've seen beyond monster parka or linebacker parka (the normal lenght one not the super long one), or pcu lvl7 jackets from massif l, sekri etc id be curious to see hownthey compare to the ecwcs lvl7 if anyone knows.

Busting out the OG /gq/ armor guide this the classic

>>64008274
why spend all that money when you can just buy TAPS and an H harness to go with it? TAPS has a lot of molle too

What are some good mag pouches that can hold both ar and ak74 mags?
Will the crye 152 pouche do the job?
Otherwise I like templars gear pouches with the inserts but idk if they're able to hold both, for the height I could just buy the ak ones and put foam on the bottom if using ar mags but idk abt the mag width and insert compatibility

>>64008936
This is a lot less complex than the new /bag/ infographic but it doesn't cover a whole lot of ground. Much easier read but a poorer foundation.
1. 4S17M is fine but it is imperative you buy SAPI and not Highcom's 10x12" shooters to avoid undersized plate shenanigans. The 10x12" is 7.2lb but the 9.5x12.5" SAPI medium is 8.6lb. That's how bad Highcom plays the nominal sizing game for shooters.
2. 4401 never got an NIJ suspension.
3. Blackbeards are good but the supply dried up years ago.
4. Militech is good but lacks any certification.
5. Colossus keeps looking better and better, but lacks certification.
6. 4800LV is a fuck and is often advertised wrong. People treat it like it's a Level IV that just runs hot on BFD, but it's in reality ICW IIIA and needs soft armor behind it to work. Also, it's underbuilt for a IV just like the 4800 and really should be treated as a B-32 API "TSA" like the LTC 28595 - which it mirrors closely on specs.
7. SAS might be a bad call if issues raised last thread are to be believed.
8. Midwest looks good
9. Surplus vests fail to mention the Zylon problem.
10. High end soft armor all looks good.
Brands to avoid is dated but fine.
Overall 6.5/10.

>>64008733

Interesting turn of events from an old listing. Turns out the Diamondback Tactical XSP1012, an old commercial XSAPI, and LTC 28601 XSAPI are the same plate. This also means the 28601 is much older than originally thought. This one is from 2009!
Bad news is that the XSP1012 IIRC is an ICW IIIA plate, so a long-ago deleted Hoplite post may be correct in stating the 28601 is NOT standalone. This also means Apex is wrong... again.
Since the 28601 is now apparently a sixteen year old model, it's basically a REV. A XSAPI but swimmer cut and 0.25lb lighter. In other words, pretty good for 2009.

>>64009054
> This also means Apex is wrong... again.
Apex wrong about everything all the time.

>>64009096
I've updated the infographics to reflect the 28601 is ICW and not standalone in the imgur catalog. I was hoping to not touch them for a while, but I don't want people running it standalone if it ever comes back into stock. This is the fourth or fifth time Apex has been dead wrong about shit he's selling. Also a bit rich to have sold a 16 year old design for $2,950 a set, innit? XSAPIs that fell off a truck rarely exceed $1k a pair.

>>64008852
guns are toys

>>64009779
guns are an important tool for tactical and personal purposes and I implore you to spend $900 on a Holosun IRIS for tactical night vision engagements and gooning with the boys.

>>64009779
If guns are toys you can enjoy those toys in another country.

>>64006738
>buy a Glock like a normal person
I did that, but still can't find a holster for my 17L and Gen 1 can't take a light or a red dot. Now what?

>>64010754
It'll fit just fine in any no-light, no-dot G17/G34 holster with trivial modifications. The tip will poke out the bottom a little, but you're not going to defeat the active retention based on that alone.

>>64008964
Because it's a one-and-done purchase that costs less than pretty much any similar American made rig. A TAP is like $50, an H-harness is another $50, then you have to spend extra for whatever pouches you want to add to it, and then you still have to deal with the TAP's janky layout and retention for mags. Flapped double pouches are much better.

If you need to carry a ton of shit on a rig, then maybe the TAP is a better option if money's an issue.

>>64011403
Pic related is $15 on Temu and carries more than your gay $210 meme rig which some gunslop YouTuber shilled you

>>64011569
>Temu
How poor are you?

>>64007795
Based

>>64011590
Poors have better options than temu un-ironically.

>>64011883
Likewise friend.

Different kit same soul

>>64006777
Knuckles was doing commission for a while but I think it burnt him out real quick and he stopped sewing for others completely
So yes you can make money sewing, but at what cost?

64011569 really saw the words "American made rig" and still posted the cheapest, shittiest Chinesium rig he could find. I'd like to believe it's bait, but considering the insanely stupid shit that gets posted on this board every day...

>>64009134
I don't give a shit about your infographics, I'm just here for the instadeath

>>64011569
Good luck in raqqa
>>64008984
>Will the crye 152 pouche do the job?
Yes, they will just be massive and sub optimal for it.
>Some good mag pouches
Spud pouch
Double M4 mag pouches

anyone use the unity remora? think about adding a light to helmet, just wonder if its going to stay still and not be loose/wobble when moving

>>64012108
I'm >>64007958 and even though I don't use the Remora model specifically I have been used Unity helmet light mounts for a few years and currently have one on the SOHAH shown on the far right of the lineup in picrel. I used to use their ARC rail to 1913 swivel adapter for both my lids with ARC rails on the left but it became unreliable almost immediately after purchase and my light would shift on me when I would nod my head too fast or jog with it on. The one on the SOHAH is the velco on version because that helmet has no rails and I will not add any on. It also rotates and is way more stable than the ARC one that I was using before (so far anyway). However the original velcro that came on it peeled off immediately when I tried to adjust it after one use and I had to replace their velcro with an aftermarket one that's been holding ever since. As you can see 3 out of 4 helmets I just decided to swap to non rotating affixed 1913 adapters because the first Unity adapter I had was such a pain in the ass. The second one that I'm using now is way more reliable for whatever reason and when I'm shooting with a team it is nice to be able to point my light at the ground without blinding everyone but just like the first one their QC didn't impress me and if there was a different product from another company with a real name attached to it I would have gone with that option first.

>>64008763
>>64008774
Things going “seriously wrong” where you’re in two engagements with opposing forces? Alone? You’d be dead as fuck. You’re all buying gear for a team sport that you don’t even play. It’s like obsessing over football helmets when you aren’t even in a hobby league. One magazine and a ziploc IFAK is the outer limit of what you’d ever use in a survivable encounter as a civilian even if things went “seriously wrong”.

>>64012214
I found a pic of the other Unity mount that I had before I binned it

>>64012269
I would have to disagree with you there chief. Just about everything you said there was wrong, and I can tell because of it that you don't actually ever go /out/, or if you do go /out/ it's in a pretty remote location where you don't have to deal with people very often.

>>64012214
>>64012308
appreciate it, yeah i seen a few other people say this one also moves under alot of movement but just wanted to double check, i use a team wendy helmet/rails w/ peltors and just limited room on the remaining 1913, while i can put a surefire light there now makes it so not able to rotate the peltors as freely, may just try out the m-ax mount at some point

>>64012327
Tbh because all my ARC rails have one position that points forward and one that points up I have found it to be best to just leave the light on a static 1913 rail and detach it from the forward position and slide the whole thing into the up position if I feel like I need umbrella illumination (I never need umbrella illumination). It's got the least amount of moving parts so there's very little that can fail and easy to do even when you're wearing the helmet and can't see what you're doing.

That being said I also dont have affixed ear pro since I only wear a lid when I'm doing NVG stuff which isn't that often or urban exploring which doesn't require ear pro.

>>64012308
Stay deluded

>>64012414
Stay at home, you'll hurt yourself out here

>>64012425
"I go outside" isn't an argument and doesn't address how you're supposed to conduct a break contact by yourself.

>>64012429
Sure we can do that

>Things going “seriously wrong” where you’re in two engagements with opposing forces? Alone? You’d be dead as fuck.
Naw almost everyone besides the ones you run into via these threads have zero training, zero expirience, and can be dealt with or avoided pretty easily, especially at night.
>You’re all buying gear for a team sport that you don’t even play.
I am currently on rotation from doing thid for a living and I practice in my off time now for when I rotate back into it.
>One magazine and a ziploc IFAK is the outer limit of what you’d ever use in a survivable encounter as a civilian even if things went “seriously wrong”.
This is how I know you're retarded or don't actually shoot. Mags fail especially when you use them with any kind of frequency and for that reason alone having a handful is always preferable to having one. An IFAK isn't for you to plug your own holes it's there for someone else to plug you up. I will always take plates for myself to keep holes from forming for that reason.

Oh and BTW post gear.

>>64012429
I know this is le ebin Mongolian throat singing forum, but most of us aren't the fat sacks of shit from 2011 that used to browse you want you lose threads on /b/. Most of us grew up and have healthy relationships with friends and family. I'm sorry you can't relate, but I have plenty of people around me that can operate firearms at a basic level.

>>64012494
>Naw almost everyone besides the ones you run into via these threads have zero training, zero expirience, and can be dealt with or avoided pretty easily, especially at night.
Even assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, four retards against you is still a really bad deal. You're very limited in what you can do by yourself.
>I am currently on rotation from doing thid for a living and I practice in my off time now for when I rotate back into it.
Admirable, but think about how many TTPs are set up for one person. Team sport.
>This is how I know you're retarded or don't actually shoot. Mags fail especially when you use them with any kind of frequency and for that reason alone having a handful is always preferable to having one.
If your mags are failing, throw them out. If you're dead set on just dumping the mag if you have a malfunction, carrying one extra mag in a belt pouch solves that problem. A clean functioning PMAG is reliable enough for any realistic civilian gunfight.
>An IFAK isn't for you to plug your own holes it's there for someone else to plug you up. I will always take plates for myself to keep holes from forming for that reason.
Yes it is primarily a way of distributing medical supplies for the HM to patch you up without them having to carry way too much shit or exhausting their medbag. However, you should attempt self-rescue if that can't happen in a reasonable amount of time, like TQing a heavy extremity bleed. If no one is coming then you have no choice.
>>64012524
So you're going to feed cousin bob and aunt karen to the enemy militia? Great plan

>>64012494
You also didn't answer the question, how do you break contact by yourself?

>>64012621
The goal isn't to feed cousin Bob and aunt Karen to the enemy militia, the goal is to have enough Bobs and Karen's in my own militia to make the enemy militia go after someone like you, who's doesn't have their own Bob's and Karen's for support. The fact you have 0 natural intuition for risk/reward systems is evidence enough that you're one of the loser 2011 /b/ posters I mentioned before.

>>64012652
by COOMING in the general direction of the ENEMY

>>64012621
You have never been in combat. Talking about team sport like you ever played to begin with. Other anon is right 2011 forsure. Aint nobody reading all that.

>>64012652
Keep shooting until they are all dead

>Come to gear thread
>Get mad that there is gear
Perhaps the EDC thread for you?

>>64012621
>Even assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, four retards against you is still a really bad deal.
Sure however I don't see myself ending up In a 4v1 against anyone that is willing to put their life on the line for anything I have and/or am doing. The closest I've come was accidentally running into a drug deal innawoods between two cars while solo camping. Four people with two cars parked in the woods at night. I thought I saw a deer from a distance with my HMT and it turned out to be an engine block in the trees. Unfortunately I was using my white light on the walk over and they saw it which freaked them out and they started yelling at me. Once I realized they weren't a deer I swapped over to NVG and walked away but they kept driving in circles around the area for a couple hours afterwards. Regardless of the fact there were four of them even if it did lead to some kind of confrontation the fact that I can do what I need to under NVG innawoods puts me at a massive advantage against 4 dudes with one flashlight between them. If this same thing happened during the day I just wouldn't have walked over to the cars parked in the woods and nothing could have happened. None of us want to get shot for no reason.
>Admirable, but think about how many TTPs are set up for one person. Team sport.
See above. I don't live in Escape From Tarkov and I don't pretend I do either.
>If your mags are failing, throw them out. If you're dead set on just dumping the mag if you have a malfunction, carrying one extra mag in a belt pouch solves that problem.
Tbqh its really your personal preference. I accept that one mag on the belt plus one in the gun is better than just one mag but for me I will never have less than three if I can avoid it. In the above anecdote I only had my break down backpacking single barrel shotgun and while that was happening I would have given anything for a combat loadout.

>>64012759
>>64012621
(CONT'D)
>Yes it is primarily a way of distributing medical supplies for the HM to patch you up without them having to carry way too much shit or exhausting their medbag. However, you should attempt self-rescue if that can't happen in a reasonable amount of time, like TQing a heavy extremity bleed. If no one is coming then you have no choice.
Listen bro if you think you're going to plug your own collapsed lung or gauze and bandage your own abdomen before going into shock while also being shot at I tip my lid to you because you're stronger than I am.

I still want to see this one rifle, one mag, ziploc IFAK set up that's justasgood

I'm more into guns than gear so I thought I'd ask here. How do you decide what plate carrier to get? I know I don't want steel plates because of spalling but I don't know about the carrier itself. I am thinking about purchasing one due to the worsening political climate and I think body armor would be nice to have. I live in an urban area around a lot of future doctors so I'd imagine most incoming fire (of it were to happen) would be 7in barrel ar15s and glocks with switches. I already have a pvs14 and a crye night cap but I'm also looking into getting a proper helmet too. Would it be worth getting one of those backpacks that turns into a plate carrier like in John Wick 4?

>>64012803
Buy armor first, size the carrier to the armor
Get a brand that's well regarded with the features you want
>Would it be worth getting one of those backpacks that turns into a plate carrier like in John Wick 4?
No

>>64012803
They pretty much are all gtg ad long as you get them from a real company. I would recommend getting ones that have the ability to have side plates added to them even if you don't own plates. It's something you can expand on later if you want you know?

>>64012753
where's the lil feets to go with the lil hands

>>64012803
JPC2.0 medium size

>>64006223 (OP)
Browning makes the perfect gun that fits this drip. They make an O/U with that pattern too if you live in Bongistan or Straya as well.

>>64012803
>How do you decide what plate carrier to get?
You basically have to look at the features on offer and how much you're looking to spend if you need to change the features.
Do you just need protection or do you want to have load bearing? Because covert/low vis plate carriers are a thing. But you'd need to throw on a chest rig on top if you ever want to have mags and IFAK at the ready.
Do you want side plates? Because there's multiple kinds of cummerbunds. There's basic elastic straps, there's elastic straps with vertical stitching to create pouches that can only mags and radio, there's ladder style straps with plastic stiffeners running horizontally, etc. Most plate carriers on the market used velcro so you could remove a cummerbund to get in and out but now it's becoming more common to see quick release "tubes".
Do you want to attach pouches to the front via MOLLE or use a placard?
>Would it be worth getting one of those backpacks that turns into a plate carrier like in John Wick 4?
It's one of those situations where the final product is a bad backpack and a bad plate carrier. Its use case is to have plainsclothes officers or security details in a crowd and react quickly to an attack. That type of equipment is used by people who know when and where the target for a potential attacker will be, so they'll stand around until a threat arises. If nothing happens they take that pack off and go home.
Using it as a daily carrier to protect oneself from crime is not that useful. You could stick a IIIA panel in a regular backpack or messenger bag you'd use daily anyway and just hold it in front of you if some shit happens if you're that worried.

can a full power laser fry a camera?

>>64012652
turn 360 and walk away

>>64013917
Yes, dependent on the power, dispersion, and distance of the laser and the specs of the camera. A dazzler (albeit at closer
range due to beam dispersion) or preferably a GBD-III will fry better than a PEQ-15. An IZLID 3-watt has over a hundred times the IR output of a PEQ, but that's a Class IV laser and the most powerful known handheld laser BE Meyers.

>>64006707
The only true thing in this post is the padded nvg pouch. Everything else reeks of someone who doesn't actually train with their gear, or even own any of the gear in the post.

>>64006223 (OP)
>Leather plate carrier
How well would this work? Seems like the MOLLE would give out at the stitching.

>>64014041
It's a meme, Batman.

Daily reminder that there are people here who want you underequipped so they have less competition in the booger

>>64014115
whom?

>>64014158
anonymous people

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I am considering buying a Gun Safe soon, but I want a balance between storage and quick access. But I also want to know if its really necessary.
Right now I am just keeping my Guns in my room for Home Defense, but my Mom said that she wants me to buy a safe, especially since we will be traveling over the holidays. Anyways, would a cheap gun safe for $100-$200 from Amazon be good enough or nah?

>picrel, also only own a rifle and shotgun right now but buying a pistol soon

>>64014359
>gun safe for $200
Seven minutes. Seven minutes is all a guy with an Amazon same-day angle grinder has to play with your "safe."
But seriously, most cheap safes are really residential security containers that will, AT MOST, kid-proof. A burglar will have much more time than it takes to bust one of those open absent other security in the home.

>>64014115
>there's gonna be a heckin pvp arena where I'm the main character and get to use all of my toys and costumes
Embarrassing

Apparently having full kit makes bitch ass niggas seethe

>>64014520
>gets shot anywhere but the plate on his chest/back
>bleedsout in seconds
L M F A O

>>64012826
>Get a brand that's well regarded with the features you want
Which one's that? It feels like body armor enthusiasts have a reason to despise every plate manufacturer out there, even big names like Hesco and Highcom.

>>64014536
The armor industry is shady as fuck and every manufacturer bar none has some kinda skeleton in the closet. The mosot reputable is Tencate, followed by Safariland, BAE, and LTC, then Hesco / Highcom and then the shittos like RMA and AR500.
Use the NIJ CPL. Also run your armor picks here and we'd be happy to bust chops for you.

>>64014529
Do you have any specific recommendations for gorgets, pauldrons, cuisses, etc. that are rated for at least 3A?

>>64014529

>>64014529
Plates aren't even a guarantee you fuckin moron

>>64014520
No it's just really gay. No mission, no role, no need. Simple as.

>>64014595
Post your CIB anon, I'll post mine, and then we can call each other gay every /gq/. No one is forcing you to buy gear, lol. I bet you don't even have nods.

>>64014543
>Also run your armor picks here and we'd be happy to bust chops for you.
The CR6450SA looks good. Any downsides I'm overlooking, besides the price?

>>64014552
NTA. The elites don't want you to know this, but you live in the silver age of extremity armor. Golden age was when this had soul. Militech, Jinwudun, Hoplite, Adept. They've all got stuff that will suit your fancy.

>>64014520
Well I think you look cool anon :)

>>64014643
Looking cool is half the battle.

>>64014628
>CR6450SA
Well you started off with Tencate, so that's an excellent first step. It's a mid-high-end Boron Carbide + PE "SRT" that's 0.6" thick and weighs 4.3lb for a SAPI medium or 4lb for a nominal 10x12".
Unlike Hesco's U211, this plate can handle 7.62x51 M80. However, it trades multi-hit capacity against this threat versus a typical Level III plate. BUT, it can stop M855A1 and BZ API. That means it has a little more headroom than say, the LTC 19513, and it's both thinner and a lot lighter...
Overall it's a great plate. Competes directly with the LTC 28791, which is slightly heavier and price gouged to fuck ($5000 a set) by Apex, and the VelSys PBZ-SA, which is lighter (4.15lb), thinner (0.52"), multi-hit against ALL listed threats (your plate is only single hit against BZ API per Midwest), but is a bitch to source unless you've got letterhead. The PBZ-SA if and when it's for sale is about the same price.

>>64014612
>I have thing
Not an argument. That's actually a little microcosm of the whole gear space. I own thing therefore I'm correct.

>>64014630
FYI for anyone leery about Jinwudun, they've got an ebay store now. Prices include import fees / duties, so the price is the price per ebay.
Their shit is cheaper on their site and you get a larger selection, but ebay has very good buyer protections - essential when buying B-grade Chinese. These guys are the seedy radical counterpart to the "safe" Militech. Men in skirts with big ass goggles, Level III helmets, and two-piece shoulder armor.
https://www.ebay.com/str/jwdtacticalequipment?

>>64014698
Yeah the "post nods" is an old joke, which you clearly missed. Also lol @ ignoring the rest of my post, fag. So again, please post your dd214 showing that you have a CIB like I do, and we can continue calling eachother fags.

>>64014749
So that's what that thing is

>>64014775
See, you're just a dumb nigger that has nothing better to do lol.

>>64014779
I'm not him duder I'm in the navy. I did always wonder what the little blue things are though. They're neat looking but I never had a reason to look them up

>>64014796
Oh, yeah a CIB is a combat infantryman badge. You can get them from actually being in direct exchange of fire(combat) with the enemy, to just taking mortar fire while on base and in a bunker. CAB is the non-infantry equivalent for every other MOS except for combat medics, who get a CMB. Fat chicks that fly reapers and drop ordnance get CABs for example.

>>64014668
anyone have the Helion? I might get one for this winter.

>>64014359
Their a meme anon just hide them under your bed literally.

Alright, I got bored, and I think we can safely put the Hesco 3885 theory to rest. LTC was awarded new contracts by USSOCOM in 2023 (H9240323F0113 & H9240323F0115) for Tactical standalone plates. These are either GEN-6 or GEN-6B. It does not specify whether these are TSA/Overt (example - 28595, GEN-5) or TSA/LTO (example - 28791 GEN-5). These are usually awarded as a pair. TSA/Overt is B-32 API, TSA/Lessthanovert is 2x BZ API / M855A1 with M80 on the side.
Projected weights going off of past TSA iterations are as follows.
GEN-6 Tactical Standalone - 4lb for SOCOM medium swimmer, single-hit B-32 API protection or 2x BZ API. Prior GEN-5B awarded to VelSys is 4.4lb. LTC 28595 (GEN-5) is 4.85lb. GEN-6B would be 3.8-4lb depending on how far along "black side" PE development is. Boron carbide is boron carbide, so unless they've got a new ceramic up their sleeve or some new additives you cannot thin the strike face - the heaviest component. Boron suboxide development has been quiet lately...
TSA/LTO:
GEN-5 plate is the LTC 28791, 2x BZ API, no capability against B-32 API, with multi-hit capacity against M855A1 and other lesser threats. 4.13lb for a swimmer medium. GEN-5B is honestly pretty likely the VS-PBZSA, which by my calcs is 3.9lb for a swimmer medium. GEN-6 is projected 3.7, GEN-6B 3.5-3.6lb.

While this is long and pointlessly autistic, the point in play is that if you wait a year or two, there will inevitably be some seriously gucci shit showing up "surplus." I am cautious on the GEN-6B calculations because I am unaware of any serious ceramic advancements on LTC's side and Honeywell's improvements to spectra shield with the latest 6000 series have only been incremental.
As a particular fellow armor autist would be happy to hear... the 28855 is predictably a phantom. Probably the same situation as the 3885. It is either nonexistent or exists at a level so arcane it will never, ever show up... "second hand" and is therefore functionally nonexistent.

>>64014359
Locking your bedroom door when you're out of the house will provide about as much burglary protection as a $100–200 "safe". Those things are good against curious toddlers and not much else, not even their stated fire rating since cheap "safes" categorically start the test in a cold oven that doesn't come close to replicating the temperature curve of a house fire.
Acceptable theft protection starts at like $1500 for a Zanotti that makes significant compromises in every other dimension, and in general the rule of thumb is that your safe should be worth at least as much as all the stuff it's meant to secure.
If you just want your mom to shut the fuck up about your gun storage situation, what you described is fine, but don't think it's actually a worthwhile security measure.

>>64006707
>JPC 1.0
lol someone tell him....

>>64014359
don't listen to these poor retards, get a quality gun safe when you start collecting good stuff, would say $400-500 minimum for a decent one. When you start getting NV, good optics/guns, etc. then get one. Especially for NFA items since anyone not on your trust shouldn't have free access to them.

>>64014895
>If you just want your mom to shut the fuck up about your gun storage situation
This is basically what cheap "safes" are for in a nutshell. If you got family members over it's so twelve year old timothy doesn't try and reenact fortnite with a live firearm.
Defense in depth. Figure out ways to secure the home perimeter and the room where the safe is. Alternatively, use the safe as a decoy and hide the guns in some other location a burglar wouldn't think to look. Nothing too obvious. Good ones know to check behind paintings, behind the couch, under beds, behind dressers, etc. Put $200 cash in the safe or something so they don't immediately suspect the trick.
You need to reduce the amount of time they have to mill around your house. Perhaps having a VERY trustworthy neighbor or relative house sit while you're gone would work. Security systems, cameras. Do not rely on cops actually being able to apprehend them before they leave. However, knowledge that the cops are onto them will limit most burglars to a 10-15 minute window. Make them waste that window as much as possible.

>>64014628
This lawmens.net place claims to have several PBZSAs in stock. $1,233 a pop. SAPI M, L, and XL. Their shipping policy is a bit fruity so double check that.
https://www.lawmens.net/product/velocity-7-62x39-apibz-multi-hit-stand/

>>64014698
"Hey guys look at my collection of dentist tools"
>post your Doctorate of Dental Surgery degree
"b-being a Dentist is only a little microcosm of the whole dental tool space"

You're a fucking retard

>>64014985
dis my gear

>>64014985
>owns $5K in dental tools
>used to be a dentist/never was a dentist
>no current license, dental office, or assistants
>"if the boog happens I'll be ready to provide dental care"
Sounds like you should have just stuck with the toothbrush and floss.

>>64015024
Are you jewish or something? Is it the idea of a man being more lethal than you that is causing this ass pain? I'm so confused by your womanly behavior. It's so senseless, like yelling at clouds.

There are people here who want you less armed than them so they have less competition. They want the booger. They fetishize the booger. Remember that.

>>64014529
>gets shot center mass in a critical organ that could have been protected by a ceramic plate
>dies immediately
L O L

For anyone who doubts the effectiveness of hard armor, see below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNOCOAXefDs

>>64015024
Do you think I'm >>64014520? I'm a Marine right now, you're an idiot with a pile of gear who works in IT who's seething because he got called out for having no service record.

>>64015218
>he capitalized it
devil...

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but what are some good hot weather pants/shirts that work with some of Colorado's dried out crispy-to-shit summer foliage?
Emphasis on hot weather, I'm trying not to sweat my balls off.

>>64015374
probably the same clothes from the workwear outlets which supply all the people who work outside jobs in colorado

>>64015218
Thank you for your cervix, every marine is a rifleman, amirite?

>>64015405
I'm a 0311 I'm literally a rifleman. Gear threads are about tips and tricks to make your job easier and not a bragging forum for your dumb new purchases

>>64015218
Sorry, but I wasn't low IQ enough to qualify for the marines. Please understand.

>>64015539
Where do you think you are?

>>64015563
>where do you think you are?
In a general about gear, not your larp hug box where everyone is some loser pretending to be muh 3%er when he didn't even enlist

>>64015586
Ah. You got lost I see. Probably something to do with that marine IQ.

>>64015374
short shorts in rhodesian brushstroke

These threads just get worse and worse. Men arguing about their preferred tactical fashion accessories, and--even worse--whether or not someone else "needs" them. Then the enlisted show up, who can't help but immediately announce their service in the Gay Pride Battalion and start swinging their shit covered dicks around.

You fags are unironically at least as bad as the failsons on the reddit tactical subs.

>>64014985
false equivalent at worst and honestly perfectly valid at best

>>64015539
GWOT POG here, being an 03 isn't a bragging right anymore, and /gq/ is literally "gear queer", meaning it's where faggots show off and talk about gear solely because it looks cool and it fun to collect. Who the fuck is coming in here for "tips and tricks" lmao

>>ITT: Fags kvetching about thread quality who dont post gear
Its real newfag hours

>>64007122
lmfao why are their eyes censored? They are already wearing gas masks

>>64014115
>90% of gamblers quit right before hitting it big

Looking for a one point sling for under the dominant arm. Problem with my old one is that the straps print, particularly around the collar.

Need a pair of dummy chords for ccw, so possibly a wind up cable dispenser.

I need a kind of cylindrical Molle pouch for carrying a rolled blanket on the belt.

Need some forearm/wrist cut proof armour, possibly a glove. Wondering if there's anything better than commercial butchers guards.

Need a throat guard, would consider mail. Problem is that I won't be able to attach it to a helmet unless it is some kind of integral Persian immortal arrangement where it can be stored in the helmet.

Wondering if there's any good pneumatic/hydraulic breaching tools, my reciprocating saw is too loud.

Need an in-mouth organic vapor filter or breathing tube. Possibly a rebreather.

>>64016531

>>64016556
Did I stutter?

For the next 2 weeks or so I'll be wearing a CIRAS plate carrier, people told me they were uncomfortable as fuck, is this true ? I'm 6" and a bit on the heavier side

>>64016828
A six incher?

>>64007963
>>64008007
>LBE vs belt+rig or w/e
Did either of you ever stop to ask what anyone is doing? How likely will you be needing a car? Oh, maybe a chest rig is the way then.
How likely will you be humping for miles with a dedicated crew of citizen riflemen? Then LBE.
Start thinking about use case before bitching

>>64018107
Sir, this is /gq/—nobody is doing anything. Most people don't even have a clear, realistic idea of what they'd hypothetically be doing.

>>64018176
I see the coyote brown nylon with the molle straps, I buy
that is my rule

It happened again. Unfortunate redditor bought RMA 1155s, one came with a tear in the cover.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/1m6pshg/first_time_getting_plates_is_this_ok_rma_1155mc/
This is a reoccuring issue that unfortunately gets soft-pedaled. If they can't get the cover right, that is both a workmanship defect per the NIJ and a clear sign QC isn't satisfactory.

>>64015983
You're like some incel faggot seething that 'chads' joined your DnD group and 'ruined' it. When active duty posters call you a loser it reminds you of the fact that you're some sad nobody who's sunk thousands of his own dollars into toys he'll never use.

>>64018516
He really triggered you, huh devil

>>64018516
You're trying to hard now. It's not believable. Go back to the drawing board and try to learn some subtlety.

aw yeah, this is that 2009 arfcom energy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc
We're so back

Is picrel a decent choice if I want something low profile and comfy? If I get attacked by people with rifles I have an old ass bulky vest with plate pockets but it's stiff and gay. I want something that's not a bitch to wear but will help me survive getting Glock switched by Jamal

>>64018693
They claim to be NIJ certified but Bulletsafe (sellmark corporation) has zero entries on the NIJ CPL. Their Level IV plate is a textbook alumina + PE chinese design. Hard pass. Look on the NIJ list: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/equipment-and-technology/body-armor/ballistic-resistant-armor#1-0
Stealth armor systems is better but is allegedly having issues filling orders. Look at options from Safariland brands for something more serious, or Highcom SA3000 / midwest options. Soft armor is often much more expensive than plates. Used armor is also acceptable but you need to be very careful with condition, as well as making sure it's 0101.06 due to potential conditioning and Zylon concerns with 0101.04 soft.

>>64018767
Well shit I guess you get what you pay for. What are the odds the panels are manufactured by someone else that's certified? I'm a poorfag teacher and can't drop a lot on armor but I guess I could live with some rank sweat surplus vest and keep it in my office. Am I shit out of luck if I want a sub 500$ 3a vest?

>>64018796
If the panels are manufactured by someone else that would still show under Bulletsafe on the CPL. A lot of huckster companies do this where they list "D-code" Tencate Cratus plates they really don't even sell to make it look like they got twenty certified entries.
Save a little more for the Highcom SA3000 or look at options from Stealth, IMO. Alternatively, cop surplus. Look for Point Blank, Protech, Safariland, AVOID anything before 2008.

ID on the T's BPV?

>>64016531
Sir this is a Wendy's
>>64016828
You'll be fine thick six, embrace the suck
>>64016455
>99% of shitposters dont own gear
>>64018516
Oh brother you took the bait

>>64018865
Some concealable soft armor. Pointblank, safariland, MSA, lots of companies do them.

>>64018796
Forgot to mention earlier, but I would also look at a shield given the circumstances. This is one of two applications, the other covert 7.62x39 mild steel core plates, where steel is acceptable if you have no other option. This is much clumsier but coverage is much better, plus it looks a lot better optics-wise for a school teacher.

>>64018516
You don't have to get upset at someone pointing out that you're a faggot. It's 2025 and "don't ask, don't tell" ended years ago.

What happened to /k/
80% of the threads are Ukraine properganda and most of the posters are American, faggots, noguns or douchebags who use general threads as a personal forum.

>>64019164
I believe that the overall mental health of society is in a steep decline. It just manifests itself more clearly here since we're anonymous and remove our filters and say the things we normally wouldn't say aloud.

>>64019173
I agree. You know it's bad when people spend their entire weekend concern trolling on /k/, including the graveyard shift.
It's not only that mental health is in decline, it is also that there is an emerging class of propped-up neets who screwed up, know they screwed up, won't fix themselves even though they can, and seek only to bring others down to try and normalize their state of fucked-up-ed-ness.

This is sad. This entire general is sad. We should just pack it up and go. It's done, over. We can't do any more. It's over for us. Bunkbed guy left us. We have no more fight. No more will. Only sadness remains.

Well, in other news, that lawsuit filed against RMA Armament is still going on. The complaint was initially dismissed for jurisdictional reasons, but said dismissal was reversed on appeal in June. Does anyone want to make a prediction on how this will turn out?

>>64019208
>>64019199
>>64019173
what the FUCK happened to my /nvg/?

guys what's the best gear

>>64019173
that and /k/ has been the one of the more mentally ill boards for a while

>>64019288
/nvg/ is dead and /gq/ is taking over!

>>64019311
Palmedo

>>64019314
It has a sizeable neet population, which is the root of all problems because they legitimately have no life outside the internet. Fake personas.

>>64019314

At least it's not as bad as /arg/ :^}

>>64018865
Basically any concealable soft vest will do. I have a Gall's (rebranded pointblank) that uses the same exact arrangement of velcro straps. You can usually find them surplus under $300 online. Sizing can be really weird because most cops are either obese or tiny women. So be mindful of that.
>>64018693
Always defer to the NIJ CPL Anon. Lots of companies selling Chinese stuff with their brand slapped on claiming it meets NIJ without being on the CPL. Midwest has affordable NIJ certified armor.

Everyone wants to talk gear, clothing etc but no one ever talks about actually having medical supplies past a TQ. No antibiotics, anti virals, pain management tools. What’s your plan if you can’t get someone to a hospital and they need stitched or have a bone reset etc?
>pic related is what I started stashing away with a bunch of antibiotics etc.

>>64020410
We solved that problem weeks ago, but yeah it seems like tourniquets get all the attention just because they get a special holder

>>64020433
>He posted it again
I know you're proud of yourself, but you really don't need to post them EVERY TIME someone has a question. This is why you're so insufferable. That and this infographic is shit.

>>64020410
Personally I think it's pointless to put together your own stop the bleed or IFAK kit when you have places North American Rescue and Rescue Essentials that have premade kits for various needs that only really end up costing a tad more than making your own kit piecemeal. Just buy the kit that fits your needs best and call it a day. Recommending chest seals and such, even with a disclaimer, to the mouth breathers around here is asking for trouble.

>>64020433
This is a pretty good list desu but I’d add anti virals too. A stash of ketamine is invaluable imo. If you get seriously hurt ketamines a great way to blunt serious pain without risking respiratory depression vs opiates. Even makes me think having some opiates for after is a good idea too

>>64020446
If I was the infograph anon why would I have to fetch that pic from Imgur, stupid ass triggered bitch

>>64020484
The best solution is to carry around a cartoon doctor's bag full of everything you'd find in a clinic/hospital room/pharmacy

>>64020433
You really need to be taken out back and beaten with a hose. Luckily no one is retarded enough to follow this shit info. Post your IFAK plus contents. Lets see it.

>>64020537
my ifak is a tourniquet, a few aspirin, and some bandaids

>>64020537
post medical qualifications

How do you put patches on coveralls for a pilot larp?

>>64020410
I was thinking the same thing but how long do antibiotics really last? I'm assuming most people can't hold on to a bottle of pain killers without popping a bunch. Ketamine sounds fun but I'd probably end up killing myself or others with it. I figure amoxicillin and metronidazole are good for most ouchies and tramadol/diazepam would take a lot of suck out of setting a broken bone or deleting a limb but I know fuck all. How am I doing?

>>64020410
No meds beyond the booboo kit, if you're leaking I'll patch you up but you gotta suck up the pain or pass the fuck out until you get to a hospital

>>64020433
BBG solved it years ago but here you are pretending to be useful

>>64020762
Sew on a piece of loop velcro.

>>64020955
post results from BBG, whatever that is

>infographicfag isn't just a /pfg/ refugee he's also a newfag

>>64021097
>>64020955
>>64020537
>>64020446
samefag

>>64020580
>he didn't post any

>>64021106

>>64006223 (OP)
Is there any practical reason for getting body armor? I saw amouranth's bf or whatever threw a vest on before he shot some would-be robbers trying to steal their shit, and it made me realize it could be useful. But it's not like you're going to walk around every day with it on

>>64021144
wtf

>>64021149
Armor is extremely practical. Its a purely practical item. I think what you mean is, are you likely to need it and does that justify the investment. And that's something only you can answer anon.

>>64021149
It's low on the overall list of priorities for most people, but is invaluable in high-risk situations. Better to have and not need than need and not have, especially since the powers that be are trying to ban it.
Just don't fall into the hypebeast trap of putting thousands into gucci plates to save a pound.

>>64021091
NTA, but that's bunkbedguy. He wrote very informative longposts on medical topics, but he has been gone for years.

>>64020433
I should be making a folder with these infographics.

>>64021267
There's an imgur collection at the top of the thread.

>>64021144
phoneposter

>>64021154
I don't care enough to edit the screenshot
Just showing you that you are wrong
>>64021356
Yeah, not everyone is neet or works from home
The best shit posting is the shit posting you get paid for

>>64021084
Thank you.

>>64006707
for your confidence, your infograph is, indeed, retarded, anon-kun.

Fellas, what is the best color for a concealed vest? Not low profile carrier or whatever, but actual concealed vest to wear under a button-up or a light jacket. I got some MBAV panels and cover options are RG, khaki or black.

>>64021149
how bad is your area? Anything above III is probably larp, and soft body armor is mostly enough

>>64021799
You don't want III, you want RF2 or IV because shitty III will yield to M855. That is, if you're afraid of rifles. Most crime is done with handguns, so IIIA concealed vest is better.

>>64018176
i just wanted to copy most of the old usgi alice kit...

>>64021106
>>64021124
>>64021154
Extremely low effort faggotry, post gear

Here's a real guide from BBG so info graph anon can stop being a retarded fag

>>64018796
https://nij.ojp.gov/cpl/ballistic/details?listeename=BulletSafe%20(Sellmark%20Corporation)

Bulletsafe is NJI certified and are made in the US. Only carriers are made in china

>>64018767
https://nij.ojp.gov/cpl/ballistic/details?listeename=BulletSafe%20(Sellmark%20Corporation) certified, plates are from us, carriers are made in china

>>64018693
worth it, and on sale this month 25% off, https://nij.ojp.gov/cpl/ballistic/details?listeename=BulletSafe%20(Sellmark%20Corporation) https://bulletsafe.com/blogs/news/bulletsafe-armor-isnt-actually-made-in-china

>>64021867
post yours angryfag :^)

>>64021943
Sure. Idk why youre so toxic. Bad relationship with your dad?

>>64021928
Might want to check with the NIJ as to why you've got zero entries on the actual CPL. Those four models also appear to be from applied fiber concepts. While that's all well and good, why isn't this more up front?

>>64021928
>>64021935

Thanks boys, I was looking at other recommended shit but it's so goddamn expensive and I am most likely never gonna need one again. The only time was a nothing burger at school and realistically I can't see how premium duty operator level shit will help me much more over a basic cheap but not temu vest as long as it'll stop pistol rounds. An active shooter will probably go quantity over quality and the cops hopefully won't light up someone with a staff badge, at least not in my town.

>>64021814
Base III is awkward because of the M855 vulnerability. Seconded you want M855, but IV - especially cheap IV, can be excessively heavy and also run shot spacing issues since IV is fundamentally a single hit, not six hit, requirement. The LTC 19513 is perfect for most applications, or if you're strapped Militech RF2.

>>64021958
That's a lot of money spent to play pretend army man :^)

>>64021980
You forgot to post some gear. Any reason why?

>>64021986
It gives you nothing to work with, next trick is to leave you without a reply

>>64021997
Bizarre behavior

>>64021971
Just a heads up, their plate is the Applied fiber concepts model, weight matches, but on quick inspection I don't see those model numbers from the NIJ entries. Their soft armor, per their site, uses different SKUs. I am also interested in why the RLA buzzword is getting attached ostensibly to soft armor that plenty of other companies are selling. Shop around, you may be able to beat their price.
>>64021997
>>64022039
You two have literally been going at it for at least an entire day.

>>64022093
Yeah im trying to stay on topic so...

Also last thing about Bulletsafe, their business address is a 2201 Heritage Parkway, Mansfield, Texas 76063, which is an events venue. Thought that was kinda funny. It's Sellmark Corporation, which otherwise sells cheap digital night vision and other things, see below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1ks6x5g/its_time_to_talk_about_the_sellmark_corporation/

>>64022107
/gq/ has been off the rails lately. 24/7 seething over inanimate pictures because some anons here need permission to use microsoft paint and make their own, it's hilarious, but getting stale, and also driving away good conversation.

>>64022118
Ive been here before them and ill be here after them. I just like to give genuine advice to sincere anons. Idc if youre poorfag or richfag. If I see bad advice ill call you dumb and correct it. More than likely its some underage newfag or yurotrash.

>>64022130
And I appreciate sincere feedback on the infographics (I'm that guy, the other guy is not that guy pal). The other guy calling them shit is, well, shitposting. It's funnt but also rather sad that he spent his entire Wednesday on /k/.
Bunkbedguy's posts were used as a reference for the IFAK infographic, which went through an extensive drafting period half a dozen or so threads ago.
Are these infographics perfect? Absolutely not. No infographics are. They serve as a discussion aid and a reference. They are not the bible. I'm still on "break", so if anyone wants to edit or update them, please. You have my permission.
If I like the new ones, they'll go in the imgur.

>>64022148
Call me old fashioned but a decently equipped IFAK and a stop the bleed course is plenty for 99.99% of anons. I doubt any anon is going to have access to or the desire to train to be able to perform field surgery or administer certain medications. Unnecessary fluff imo.

So I'm considering two additional armor infographics - namely manufacturer-specific "cheat sheets" detailing entire lineups from Leading Technology Composites and Tencate. People tend to sleep on a lot of their plates, even though they mog Hesco, Highcom, RMA, etc on the regular in a lot of areas, primarily because they do not market well to civs and their naming conventions are... terrible. Tencate is arguably the most advanced armor company in the absence of Ceradyne, and the only major one with zero NIJ suspensions or product recalls.
It doesn't help, however, that Tencate has two lineups. Multi-Light (EU-focused) and Cratus (the CRXXXX plates) - which are US focused. This doesn't count their weird shit, flexible Ceraflex rifle armor and LIBA super-multi-hit plates. LTC is just random numbers with very limited patterns.

>>64022166
You're right, hence why the guide doesn't go big into the more advanced topics - and has in bold massive font "take classes and learn."
This is why I'm also not majorly invested in redoing the HF radio infographic. It's on the list but not priority. It's pointless to waste time on niche high-level shit - especially if it needs to be in depth as the ham anons have expressed. I don't know many anons that are legitimately incorporating serious HF kit into their preps. It is extremely powerful in the right hands, but, well, most the people here buy a UV-5R and barely use it.

>>64022093
Weird, it seems kinda dodgy like early PSA or something. I reached out and they said they'd give me a discount after showing my staff ID so it seems like they're not as tight an operation but maybe their stuff is getting better. They'll accept a return if its ass too so I'll probably FAFO. I really like the shield idea but only if my work pays for it. Teachers are fucking kleptos so I need something easy to secure and deploy.

Even tho the state has no gun free zones my district is gay about arming teachers. They want a psych eval and tons of training on our dime so I'm wondering if I should just ignore but in this economy I don't want to lose my job. It's probably expected anyone armed to act as security but fuck paying extra for more work, I'd just barricade and only would need a gun if they get in my room. Anyone have suggestions for a hidden but totally secure gun storage option?

>>64022190
Sellmark is, per that reddit discussion, the same company that sells Firefield amazon special red dots. I'd avoid.
Shields are not that expensive, just make sure their threat level matches your needs. Also lift some weights if you don't already.

>>64020484
>anti virals
this nigga getting a herpes outbreak in a gunfight lmao
>artillery raining down overhead
>enemy troops overrunning the position
>anon curled in a ball crying "nooooooooo I'm getting a cold sore"
>medic charges across no man's land, bullets impacting the dirt around his feet
>extends a blood soaked glove to hand anon a tube of aciclovir cream
>"apply 5x per day for 5-7 days for the duration of the outbreak"

>>64021439
>t. seething dump pouch and fanny pack owner

>>64022227
Medic won't make it unless he spends AT LEAST five thousand dollars on a thermal drone so he can accurately recce the area ahead and bypass enemy positions while locking in and retreating to his strongpoint.

>>64022231
NTA, but it's too single-minded and feels like it came out of 2015 with a limited go-fast mentality. The end user should decide their needs. Infographics should just give viable options.

>>64022227
99% if the injuries you get in the field are bumps and scrapes, for which it's fucking worth it to have bandaids and topical antibiotics.

Not that you'd fucking know anything about going outside, being the worthless AI slop spammer that you are.

Someone make the case for tactical ketamine.

>>64022281
unless you're a 100 year old cancer patient there are pretty much no viruses you can catch in the field which will kill you
>influenza A, B, COVID, RSV etc.
deal with the sniffles for a week
>norovirus
shit yourself for a week
>rabies
don't get bitten by rabid dogs
>bubonic plague
don't be a peasant in the 1300s
>ebola, dengue fever, yellow fever
don't be a 19th century explorer in west africa or south america

What "antivirals" are you even taking?

>>64022255
Literally all of SOCOM uses that exact mag setup with 3 kydex mag pouches on the plate carrier and 3 ten speeds to plus up to 6 mags on the chest. There's no reason to buy any other variation of pouches.

>>64022337
You make an excellent case for putting a diamond on that gear in an infographic. However, anons should have other options as well. For an example of what I mean, 99% of SOCOM uses either LTC 28595s or 28791s. Should anons only gun for those plates?

>>64022351
Yes.

>>64022351
of course, this is /cargo cult general/, after all

>>64022374
Based one word response. But in all seriousness, the point I was making is that we aren't SOCOM. Anons' needs are not hyper-optimized towards the sandbox with a high budget.
If anons are loaded and need typicala rifle threat protection, the optimal plates are the VelSys PBZSA (LTO) and the LTC 26310 (Level IV). CR-6450SA is a close second to the PBZSA, 28791 is third place. Even then, many anons need pistol armor, or shields.
Similarly, yes, the pouches you propose are optimal, but for SOCOM. We aren't SOCOM.
>>64022409
This isn't /r/tacticalgear in 2019, fool!

>>64022442
youre right, it isnt. Its worse

>>64022461
Depends. There was a lot of horseshit going around tacgear then, especially with armor (28595 rated for M993...), but more activity. We have the kinks ironed out for the most part but less people to take advantage of that. Gear is also in a better place overall, although if you're just getting into the game you missed out on epic deals. D275s, Blackbeards, tariff and duty free Chinese thermals, Militech, etc.
We'd be in a better place if we ditched the concern trolls, stopped bitching all day about the heckin infographics, and exclusively talked shop like the old days.

>>64022491
just bring back the other generals then? /gq/ is kinda tainted permanently but something like /pfg/ could still work. Just be prepared for it to sit on page 8 with low traffic.

>>64022533
I'll be honest, we don't have the numbers. An effective split would have to be four ways. gq, pfg, nvg, and bag. The merger was out of necessity.

>>64022545
but nu /gq/ is terrrible as a result. Not every topic needs to reach bump limits multiple times a day.

>>64022442
>the pouches you propose are optimal, but for SOCOM. We aren't SOCOM
Flapped pouches are slow and shit. All other open topped rigid pouches like HSGI Tacos, G Code Scorpions or ITW Fastmags are inferior to KYWIs. Shit like the Spiritus Mk 5 placard or Ferro Dope or Haley Strategic or all these other random velcro sandwich bullshit placards are more expensive and worse than buying KYWIs. There's no fucking point putting them in some gay infographic because they're objectively inferior to just buying fucking KYWIs.

>>64022545
Yeah, those threads are distinct enough that they should get their own threads. Sure it won't hit bump limits but they'll get enough traffic. /gq/ now is awful.

>>64022561
It's actually pretty good when we talk gear. We're stronger as a big tent than four little generals, three of which drop off page 11.
>>64022567
Other people would need that info, meaning the others need to be in there for comparison's sake. RMA makes shitty armor but they're technically still in the armor guide. We aren't only dealing with first time buyers.

>>64022567
His point still stands though. We're not SOCOM. The chances of ever actually having to use your gear is slim. The chances you'll ever need to min/max your reload speed is slimmer. Any potential conflict that you'd be involved in would more than likely look like the Syrian stuff going on right now, than you kicking in doors with your nvgs, indexing mags while you clear houses.

>>64022570
Nvg and pfg regularly died at 80-100 posts. No-go. Bag will die faster because all the old guard is gone.

>>64022567
>Flapped pouches are slow
flapped pouches mean you are never going to accidentally lose a mag while moving around
and once you get use to them they arent that slow. definitely slower than no flap but fast enough,

>Coincidentally, when reddit migrated to /gq/, it turned to shit

>>64022612
What's wrong with that? Who dies and made you queen of /k/?

>>64022567
Anon it's really not that big of a deal, clearly you don't shoot or train in this equipment. Could you please post some personal gear and prove me wrong? This is just silly.

>>64022292
99% of modern war is boring

>>64022615
So you'd rather kill subject matter conversation than keep it all in one place?

>>64020484
What is this SS from? Is it from a longer video? It looks interesting

>>64022627
How does that kill discussion? If you're coming to /k/ for /gq/ what's stopping you from going into /nvg/ if you want to talk nods? I don't get this autism.

>>64022545
>>64022533
nigger/gq/ fucking sucks, I miss pfg and nvg. Fuck this gay ass board.

hai

>>64022636
Because the other generals keep it up like a 95 year old man and are related enough to /gq/ that there's overlap.

>>64022637
Eliminate the concern trolling and nu-/gq/ is quite comfy if you're interested in any of the heavy hitter topics.

>>64022581
>other people should make stupid purchases because muh freedom
I unironically believe that there should be only one handgun on earth, the Glock 19. Literally everything else can go out of production for all I care, there's no reason for any other handgun to exist they're all objectively inferior from a cost benefit ratio.
>>64022590
Explain to me why you need shit gear because you're not SOCOM. Why are you frothing at the mouth at the thought of me suggesting people buy a $67 esstac placard instead of a fucking $139 Unobtanium Gear SLED V2 placard with 7 months wait time or a $185 Kommandostore Pattern 84 mag placard. Why are you being such a fucking retard?
>but muh $13 surplus eagle flapped pouches
shit and inferior to kywis

>>64022653
If mods would just take care of the off-topic shitters, yeah /gq/ would immediately improve. GL with that.

>>64022658
Is there a way we can get them to move on that or are the new jannies just like the old ones?

>>64022657
Or because they have niche reasons for their options. Cost benefit alone we'd all be rolling Militech plates!

>>64022666
They don't actually care about board quality, they only ban you for using slurs or homophobia. I know its a very old expression, but this place is now reddit. Im not being ironic.

>>64022666
The solution is clearly we make a faustian bargain, join the jannies, and police /gq/ ourselves

Especially people like >>64022657 who just come here to post ragebait for the >yous and never post gear. It's just silly.

>>64022676
Do you have a solution or are we just gonna complain? You're on the money but simply saying the truth isn't gonna fix things. The alts don't have traffic.

>>64022685
The virgin $67 esstac versus the same thing on Aliexpress for $15

>>64022689
The only solution in my mind is for mods to be more attentive to the generals. There's just too much off-topic shitposting and ragebaiting, and it drives away sincere channers. /arg/ too.

>>64022699
Checked and I agree. The solution honestly is >>64022683. Somebody here with too much free time needs to join the mods and clean up /k/ on the side.

>>64022696
Those aren't the same thing, though

>>64022657
Go to bed Lucas, or I'll send more furry porn to your wife.

>>64022711
>>64022689
Poster ID would help immensely

>>64022714
Few people here train enough or will ever be in a situation where the real deal distinguishes itself from the clone.
>>64022727
With active moderation, sure.

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>>64022644
Not every thread needs to hit the bump limits in 4 days. As long as it gets bumped every once in a while, they'll stay alive. The topics really are distinct enough to merit their own threads. When did you even decide this merge shit?

>>64023003
I wasn't the one that decided. It happened naturally because /pfg/ and /nvg/, bumped as they were, could not stay alive.

>>64015400
Kek That one got me

>>64020296
Jesuz crist its jasen borned

you are all in credit card debt for army man toyys. homeless honchos with a palmetto depress me so. Grind the true way at McDonalds. Does ya mudda appreciate the BULLETPROOF VEST UNDER YOUR BED, HIUH? NUTS. U CRAZY PEOPLE.
Sellz it bey a real gun with a two shix shitgun dubbl barrel.