Thread 64084097

Originally got a P320C for my carry because:

>sig reputation
>military contract meant a healthy long-term future
>modularity

I've come to the conclusion that I was a faggot and I'm in the process of correcting that.

Now I'm looking for a replacement and I'm initially leaning heavily toward a good used P-01 I can mill the slide on, but also VP9A1 K and Echelon Compact. What does /k/ say?

>>64084097 (OP)
You're a bigger faggot for letting the guntuber sphere influence you

>>64084097 (OP)
VP9A1 K Is great

>>64084100
P320 sucks

>>64084106
Your mom sucks my dick

>>64084097 (OP)
most 9mm handguns are functionally interchangeable, just buy what feels good to you.

Just don't have a chambered round??? I never do anyway. I prefer this to using the safety on my pistol which is more fiddly than pulling a slide back...

>design for safety lever posted literally today
>"Guys help me dump my 320"
Sure

>>64084108
My mom is dead

>>64084097 (OP)
I really like the cz p10-c ported atm.

Take a look at the shield x as well.

>>64084109
I've shot my buddy's P-07 which was great, and have always admired CZs. Handled a P-01 in store and it felt even better. Also handled their VP9 K which was great too. Haven't found an Echelon yet.

>>64084113
That just makes it better

>>64084112
Sig is dead to me for a minimum of 5 years. I'm keeping the P320 in the hopes of a buy back or I'll keep it long term as a shit heirloom and hope it will have some value to some weird collector.

>>64084128
Yeah sure. I will believe that as much as I believe people swearing off Ruger, Springfield, and Smith & Wesson

>>64084112
>potential future fix for the manual safety made by an ex-sig employee
lol, so we learn that the manual safety is also NOT FUNCTIONAL because it doesn't even block the sear movement. But that doesn't change the fact that the P320 does NOT have a functional striker block, because the sear which is under spring tension can move the safety-less trigger, automatically defeating the "striker safety". You literally cannot suck more at mechanical engineering than that.

>>64084097 (OP)
VP9A1 K or PX4 compact.

>>64084097 (OP)
If you want an optics cut, why not get a compact P-09 then? They are affordable too.

>>64084209
I still like the trigger

>>64084221
It's fine as long as you don't carry it with a round in the chamber, or don't carry it at all. Just don't drop it

>>64084212
I've considered P-07s and P-09 Cs but man I really enjoyed that alloy frame from the P-01. I've trended toward preferring alloy since I bought the P320 years and years ago.

>>64084210
I never really considered the PX4C. It's a visual abomination but interesting.

>>64084224
Nah I'm just going to take the new safety lever design and have that built. While the specifications aren't laid out, the fact that it's drop in means that it is basically within the same dimensions as the existing safety lever. I'm pretty sure you could hack together one of your own really quickly too

>>64084225
Fair. Shadow 2 with optics cut also exists. Some m&p and walther models have alloy frame, but I couldnt tell you which ones.

>>64084231
>trusting an unproven third-party fix for the manual safety which does nothing about the lack of striker safety
You must be a true Self-Inflicted Gunshot enthusiast, I wish you best of luck

>>64084260
Confirmed for not understanding how gun work

>>64084097 (OP)
Cz P09 Nocturne

>>64084230
I just got a Langdon px4 and it is ridiculously good. The DA trigger is so nice and it's shoots very softly. Best choice out there.

>>64084097 (OP)
Arex Zero2, unironically.
>optics ready
>will fit in your P320 holster
>no brown people were involved in it's manufacturing
>overbuilt as fuck
>priced competitively

>>64084520
You have my attention...

>>64084557
It's a great gun, I own all of the Arex pistols (am from Slovenia where they're made) and I love them. They don't exactly innovate on a lot of things (the Zero is a P320 clone, the Delta is a Glock clone, the Alpha is a CZ Shadow clone) but they have great QC, peak customer support and a good bit of aftermarket support. Can't go wrong. The only "issue" is that they're VERY overbuilt (i.e. all the springs are hard as fuck at first, including the magazines) so it takes about 200 rounds to break in properly. I suggest watching Forgotten Weapons videos on Arex.

>>64084097 (OP)
Just buy a G19. It's the gun Sig was afraid of that made them do stupid shit like use an L shaped piece of metal as a striker safety instead of a plunger.

>>64084562
It's more of a 226 clone really.

>>64084605
Correct, I am an idiot. That is what I meant. They do fit in P320 holsters, though.

>>64084613
I just wish somebody would make aftermarket grips for the zero 2

>>64084097 (OP)
Joining OP asking fellow /k/ what's a good available and disposable small enough 9 mil with a thumb safety for CCing please ?
>>64084520
>>64084562
Slovenanon please can you tell me when Zero2 Tactical will reach western market if maybe you have some info ? I'm very much willing to buy one. Few years ago there was a video showing new models ; the standard model is available, but it's the only one.

>>64084097 (OP)
Zastava EZ9

>>64084687
You'll have to get it shipped in yourself.

Why does everyone say to get the Px4 compact when the fullsize is only dimensionally longer on the slide? Honest question because there are the same people who post "why get a 43x when the 48 exists" and always point to the fact that a longer slide is the easiest part of concealment?

>>64084097 (OP)
get a p30

>>64084687
>Slovenanon please can you tell me when Zero2 Tactical will reach western market if maybe you have some info ? I'm very much willing to buy one. Few years ago there was a video showing new models ; the standard model is available, but it's the only one.
No idea man, if you're in the US I'd e-mail Global Ordinance and ask them.

>>64084097 (OP)
Glock 19 like a normal person. Whatever you shoot the best though I guess. Go and rent some guns if you can...but also just get a Glock 19 and don't be a weenie about it

>>64084729
Slide length as a consideration for carry is more of a comfort thing in my experience. If you carry AIWB and are sitting frequently during the day, a longer pistol (and holster) can stab into your thigh/pelvis more than a shorter one does. Foam wedges, changing ride height, changing holsters, adjusting your posture, or just carrying in a different position can all alleviate this. Ergonomics is subjective, of course, and different setups will feel better for different people.

>>64084838
carrying appendix has got to be the biggest larp thing ever

this would have been more believable if the choices in your OP weren't the same three pistols referenced constantly by sig derangement syndrome patients.

>>64084097 (OP)
You can find used VP9's for pretty good prices now

>>64084729
the full-size is still a half-inch longer, and the px4c is already pretty chunk for what it is. imo it doesn't matter that much but the difference is that if you own a full-size PX4 it means you're a LE-Trade pleb and if you own a compact it means you have sex

>>64084737
Goddammit HK just make a P30K or something and make the slide the same length with a slightly bigger frame

>>64084230
It is the best DA/SA compact pistol ever made

>>64084826
19 Gen 5 is a phenomenal gun. Get blue label pricing and nothing really beats it

>>64084729
I personally feel that the compact cycles better than the full size. Having carried both, the PX4 compact carries way better than the PX4 full-size or a 92 compact.

>>64084917
How do you carry?

>>64084917
>scared of his DA/SA gun just going off for no reason

>>64084097 (OP)
Buy a police trade in glock 21.
They're barely even fired, maybe 200 rounds through it.
$350

Aight so after reading some suggestions I'm currently eyeing

>CZ P-01
>CZ P-09 Nocturne Compact
>Arex Zero 2
>HK P30 V3
>Beretta PX4 Compact Carry 2

I'm gonna go full in on a DA/SA. I carried a 2" SP101 and 2" Rhino before all this, so I think I just need to RETVRN.

Glocks are cool but I consistently shoot them high, no thanks.

>>64085230
My vote is for the Px4. Sure it's ugly, but save for your beautiful guns for range toys.

>>64084108
You won't have a dick if you keep carrying that p320

>>64084097 (OP)
Why don't you go check them out and make your own decision this time, instead of being influenced by faggot shit again?

>>64085140
Cute tummy :3

>>64084520
desu RZ1 are going for really cheap and I hardly see a reason to upgrade. I even see a downgrade: when reassembling the slide, the lever flips back up on its own, not on the RZ2.

But yeah, a very fine gun.

>>64084097 (OP)
>sig reputation
It was fucked before the P320. Let's just call it the final nail in the coffin, but the latest Poo226s were already trash.

Just become a neo-fudd and buy a glock.
>but anon which one?
Just fucking pick one, it doesn't matter.

>>64084737
This
Love my CC9, but honestly the tiny width thing is a meme. It shoots well enough out to 25 yards, but wishing I had got a P30SK LEM now. I tire of striker fired guns.

>>64085126
LTT bby

>>64084917
fat

>>64084097 (OP)
H&K
P30L, P2000, USP, pick your favorite

Fuck striker guns

>>64084100
>Y-you're just listening to yootoob!
There have been a half dozen spontaneous discharges and one of them fucking killed someone

>>64084097 (OP)
>>sig reputation
>>military contract meant a healthy long-term future
lmao

>>64085554
I'm gathering suggestions before I do that, faggot.

This is probably a dumb question but is it only the p320 that’s had issues? I bought a p365 X macro before the story about the airman getting shot and haven’t had a chance to break it in yet. Is the p365 safe or am I at risk of ventilating myself?

>>64086388
It's safe, but they've had firing pin, trigger return spring, and finish issues.

>>64084097 (OP)
Bersa TPR9

>>64086422
They've mostly been ironed out except the trigger return spring, but it's so cheap you should just get a couple aftermarket ones. I don't think they break but better safe

>>64086388
The P365 is a mostly safe design, but every single mechanical safety in it can be spontaneously defeated if the striker tail shears off, and QC/finishing is pretty poor.

>>64086516
I can count the number of times I've heard about this on one hand, and I think they're all from here

>>64086527
Just buy a new striker and make sure it's not made in india

>>64084097 (OP)
CZ75 is superior. Hammer fired doesn't go off because you nudge it.

>>64084097 (OP)
How much you looking to offload that p320 for? You in the midwest?

>>64084097 (OP)
Just get a fuckin GLAWK like the rest of us

>>64086571
I'm just dumping it from my rotation. Kinda pointless to sell it for a while. I'll take a buy back the moment it's offered but judging by Sig's faggy response, I'm not counting on ever getting one.

>>64084100
if listening to guntubers is faggotry, then listening to p320 dick riders in tranny tier

>>64086548
>Cz is su-
>*firing pin flies out*
>*slide locks back on a half full mag*

>>64084097 (OP)
Glock 19

>>64084097 (OP)
All three are great options, also the Echelon Compact is basically just a better Glock 19 (also a solid option) which is nice. Pretty much any modern handgun with a decent userbase, or antiquated handgun with a proven record, is guaranteed to be at least functional. Just go off of ergonomics and what feels best in your hands.
>>64084100
Bud the P320 doesn't even pass the physiognomy check, it's ugly as shit and not even in an interesting or unique way. Calling it Judeo-Jeet corporate slop is being generous, with looks like that the problems were inevitable.

>>64084097 (OP)
Gen 3 g19

>>64084097 (OP)
VP9 is GOATed.

Was the modular lower really that important for the big government contract?
Does anyone get issued a customized p320 because of it? Or are the vast majority running damned near stock?

>>64085128
Nsver shot the grand power p1 mk23 have you?

>>64084320
Confirmed dunning-kreuger moment

I have a g17c and tisas b9r but honorable mention to all my hammer fired niggas

>>64084729
Long slides and beavertails make a gun impossible to carry for me

They might be better for people who can get a shirt to stay well draped enough to hide a gun on their hip but the average person is built like some kind of kitchen appliance

>>64087615
Careful, this is literally his entire personality

>>64084917
lose weight

>>64084737
still waiting on my p2000sk lem

then i'll get a usp 45

SOON

>>64084917
Isn't it the biggest nigger fashion trend? Don't know why everyone wants to imitate them.

>>64087759
It's skinny guy/hot weather carry that's compatible with sitting in modern cars with pseudo-bucket seats

>>64084097 (OP)
Whyd you buy a p320 to start with? Was it the retardedly high bore axis or spendy magazines that drew you in? Perhaps the frame gimmick that you never took advantage of? Like when this shit was announced I was surprised it drew anyone in as other better designed poly framed striker fired handguns already existed

>>64084100
lol
lmao
hope SIG reads this bro

i only own Glocks, so that's what i always recommend, but the Walther PPQ has me intrigued as an alternative.

>>64087765
>It's skinny guy
he won't be able to understand, anon

>>64087951 (me)
maybe PDP was what i was thinking off? regardless, Walther seems like a neat alternative

>>64087615
No, and it’s probably ass

Why did they have 23 iterations if it was so good?

>>64087951
>>64087973
I have a PPQ m1 (with superior paddle mag release) and it's been a very reliable gun. I have roughly 8k rounds through it so far. Very accurate, groups extremely well. Maybe slightly more/harsher recoil due to the higher bore axis when compared to my glocks, but really it isn't enough of a difference to truly matter. It's my nightstand gun.

whats a good replacement for a 226? No safety decocker only?

>>64088069
There's a lot. The Beretta 92, CZ 75BD, HK P30 all come to mind.

>>64088095
>decocker only

>>64088164
Berettas can accept decocker only levers

>>64088164
I have like 5 Beretta 92 variants and 3 of them are decocker only.

>>64086085
>There have been a half dozen spontaneous discharges and one of them fucking killed someone
Two of them. One airman and one civilian, the civilian was first.

>>64087680
>kek
Anyone hold/shoot one of these yet? Thinking about dropping my old PCR for an upgrade

>>64088004
>Why did they have 23 iterations if it was so good?
To fulfill a broader range of niches the consumer wants. Why does Ruger have a thousand different iterations of the 10/22?

>>64084097 (OP)
>Dumping my P320, need recommendations
Bodyguard 2.0

>>64084097 (OP)
>Dumping my P320, need recommendations
>>64084100
>You're a bigger faggot for letting the guntuber sphere influence you
OP is just the Anti-Sig schizo posting another thread.

>>64088582
>no one could possibly want to replace a gun that killed someone due to either poor design, bad manufacturing, or both
anyone who carries a p320 after the latest court rulings is officially knowingly doing so despite a well known risk. if you were an ass in court you could get manslaughter.

>>64088582
What's the point of defending a gun company after their product killed a man?

Walther PDP pro

>>64088733
lol not even remotely true.
>>64088790
I don't know where this fake outrage comes from when the same faggots will ride in cars from companies whose negligence causes even more deaths. This has to be some kind of campaign or people just lack self-awareness

>>64088546
lovely gun but different weight class

>>64089030
>you have to carry the gun with a history of being a shitty third world made shake-awake single action because... other companies fucked up!
Lolwut

The state of siggers. It's not like guns are going away because the p320 is yet another thirdie shake-awake gun. If anything, a readiness to abandon it shows the populace is responsible with firearms and willing to put common sense over consumer loyalty.

And this wasn't the first sign of trouble. They've been shake/drop firing since they came out. This is just the first court confirmation of it.

>>64089050
Dude, why are you fighting? What is your issue? I stand by what I said cuz I do think it's hypocritical how this is being heralded as the worst incident in guns (it isn't), and those people will get into the same vehicles that have multiple known issues that can and often are lethal. So what's your beef?

>>64089030
>>64089081
A better example of the hypocrisy would be Glocks continuing to blow up in the year of our Lord 2025, and yet Glock still gaslighting and pretending like it doesn't happen and it's the safest platform.

>>64086085
While i love my USP finding a good IWB holster that can take a light is a fucking nightmare since the one shop that did make one closed out of nowhere last month. You'll have better luck with the compact at least.

>>64089116
Also blaming ammo without even seeing the ammo or the pistol. Refusing to compensate victims. Refusing to even replace pistols issued to police departments that suffer from the same problem. Willingly allowing this information to propagate to the point where it had to be cleared up before what was real and what was fuddlore...
Great company.

>>64084097 (OP)
while thinking about your dilemma, consider the following:

Imagine you kneel in front of her
her tight wetlook pants just pulled down enough to expose her holes
your tounge is deep inside Kathrins pussy
while your nose tip touches her clit
and your chin her asshole
she slowly moves back an forth, rubbing her joice into your face till she squirts with a deep moaning

now, think. which, gun are you gonna buy?

>>64089234
Beretta 92

>>64089241
P38 doublestack and longslide. nice.
Kathrin likes it long and doubled.

Oh, no outrage? That's what I thought

>>64089081
>Leave sig alone! Car companies have fucked up too!
A P320 fired in a kydex holster and someone died this time. There are engineering analyses that have determined the safeties are badly designed and do not tolerate sig's indian MIM slop tolerances. Sig no longer has the "cops always lie about everything that happens involving guns" excuse.

It's not safe. Even if there's only a chance it's unsafe if an exceptionally bad copy it's not worth defending a shitty gun company.

>>64089116
>WHAT ABOUT GLOCK
Glock has shit chamber support, yeah, and a P320 went off secured in a plastic duty holster because it was set on a table slightly too firmly. Sig's cooked.

>>64089117
I'd never carry a full sized USP IWB. I carry my full sized guns OWB innawoods.

I love my VP9 so much. In terms of great stock pistol, VP9 is one of the best imo. I haven’t changed anything about the pistol outside of an optic and light but can still be competitive for comps. I got the larger one before the K was available but the K is probably nicer to carry

>>64090279
The point is that the attitude is fucking hypocrisy. People are up in arms that Sig hasn't issued a recall and denies responsibility when Glock ALSO does that and people shill the ever living fuck out of them. If one is fucked, the other is fucked because it's the same behavior from the company

>>64090322
There is a difference

Glock has caused some hand injuries by not designing contingencies around defective ammo, and said "well don't use defective ammo lol"
Sig has caused loss of life and denied all wrongdoing, and the only solution is just don't use that gun like, ever.

>>64090279
Don't be a shill, nigger.

>>64090344
Don't be a nig, sigger.

I don't endorse any striker fired guns

>>64090334
No, there isn't a difference. Glock doesn't even acknowledge that there *might* even be an issue with their handgun, and hasn't for years. Checking on the latest class action update, serious injuries included blindness, deafness, and "severe face injuries". It's not contingencies for bad ammo, literally only glock (and some clones) have a shitty chamber that lets it happen this often. Fuck all the way off

>>64084128
>some value to some weird collector.
They made vastly too many for that

>>64090361
>What about glooock what about glooooock
Sig's shitty indiangineering killed a man. I don't endorse any striker fired pistols. DA/SA for lyfe.

>>64090334
It's not even defective ammo, retard. Factory new 9mm ammo is now causing blowouts in Gen 5. Glock hasn't even done a shitty "voluntary upgrade". In fact, they go to court instead of taking care of their customers

>>64090378
What does that have to do with the stance being hypocritical? I don't even striker myself, I'm an Arexfag, but the double standard is bullshit

>>64090380
>>64090386
>What about glock
IDC about tupperware sig is fucked tho

>>64090404
I forgot the average intelligence of our posters. My bad for doing an apples to apples comparison

>>64090407
Can you please explain why glocks also being shit somehow negates defective sigs killing people? Does this somehow mean it is no longer reasonable to cease carrying the p320 despite its track record? Because the glock OP is not buying it almost as bad?

>>64090419
That's not the point I'm making. I'll say it again, I think the "outrage" is either from idiots chasing the meme of the moment, people too stupid to understand they were already getting fucked, or shills doing a smear. I don't think Sig is good at all, Cohen is a fucking cancer, but I also don't think it's any slimier than the next guy. I think pretending that it is so is borderline duplicitous

>>64090439
>Leave sig alone. Glock also has (less severe) issues.
I shan't be leaving sig alone sorry

Total sigger death

>>64090459
Bait

>>64090462
this is a da/sa neighborhood siggers keep moving

>>64090480
low quality bait even

>>64090489
You still haven't answered the question tho
>Can you please explain why glocks also being shit somehow negates defective sigs killing people?
This is more pathetic than the faked "other guns are as bad as the P320" videos (where you can pinpoint, with timestamps, where they pull the trigger past the break and simply neglect to mention p320s go off without manipulation)

This is why siggers keep moving. If anything is an anti-2a smear campaign its siggers behavior, trying to take all other guns down with the P320 in a last ditch effort to pretend sig did not release a literal thirdie shake awake single action
The P320 is literally this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw

>>64090503
I'm not answering it because it's not a claim I made. Why would I argue a position I didn't take up?

>>64090511
Do you deny that the P320 is an unsafe pistol?
Is refusing to carry a P320 unreasonable?

If no and no, what are you complaining about?

we are responsible gun owners here and the responsible thing is to not carry a sig

>>64090521
I said exactly what I meant already, and I'm not going to take up an argument I didn't make. Especially not one with convenient dichotomies for you

>>64087504
This guy gets it. I never bought a p320 because they are fuck ugly.

>>64084097 (OP)
VP9 is great, and the trigger is decent for a striker gun while still being a duty trigger, and the mag release is actually quite ergonomic, that being said, it's got the HK markup and frankly speaking it doesn't really warrant the price.

>>64084097 (OP)
>Dumping my P320, need recommendations
legally dispose of it in the hood
this way a gang member can shoot his foot instead of punch a 90 year old white lady for fun

>I'm looking for a handg-
Glock
>But I-
Get a Glock
>Special snowfla-
Get
A
Glock
Moron

>>64084786
>Global Ordinance
>Won't ship globally
fucking scam

>>64091837
seethe tupperwearboy

>>64085623
I agree completely. The old Sig pistols way back were heavily criticized due to the extremely high bore axis. That was 50 years ago. Then they came out with the P228 using... folded steel with a really stupid non-integrated breach face. The breach face was a separate piece in the slide. These P228 pistols were known for being weak. Years later they brought around the P229 and fixed most of it except the horrible magazine capacity. 13 rounds out of a gun mostly the size of a Glock 17 was retarded. It wasn't until much later they finally revised it again and introduced a 15 round capacity. But ultimately none of this changed the fact that the P22X series of pistols suffered from a high bore axis that makes shooting feel much less controllable than other brands.

Beretta is and always has been the better hammer fired pistol than Sig. But even then I'd easily take a Glock 19 over just about anything. Almost the entire firearm industry for the last 35 years has been "we have to beat Glock" while Glock continues to win by doing nothing.

>>64084113
Was she killed by a Sig?

Berretta M9A4

>>64090279
The USP full size is a hair larger then a G19

>>64092309
Completely retarded head cannon opinion. Almost none of that is true outside of your opinion that the bore axis is too high
>>64092439
Jesus Christ what's with all the noguns retards in here, the usp isn't just a hair larger than the G19, it's in a whole other category size wise.

>>64087504
>Bud the P320 doesn't even pass the physiognomy check, it's ugly as shit and not even in an interesting or unique way
Correct, it takes a tremendous amount of effort to make the P320 look even remotely good.

If your used to the 320c, the closest thing in terms of how it shoots is the p365xl (standard not any of the xmacros) with a houge grip for like 6 bucks.

A non sig engineer broke down the saftey features in a series here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oT9QpYsTUI

Personally I rotate between a 365xl, LCP 22lr and a PPk 32acp...depending on what I wear....so i may be boased.

>>64088582
>OP is just the Anti-Sig schizo posting another thread.

And IMMEDIATELY after this was posted:

>>64088733
>>64088790

NTA, but his just PROVES that OP is a fucking schizo.
Who else would sit around and wait for replies on a Mongolian basket weaving forum if not a schizo.
IMO, 4chan feeds idiotic monsters like this.
If we had ID's you could simply block out the demented idiots.

>>64084097 (OP)
Vp9. My favorite serious handgun.

>>64085536
Free gender reassignment