OPFOR SHOULD BE BANNED FROM AMBUSH TACTICS STOP TELLING ME MY ENTIRE FUCKING PLATOON IS OUT OF PLAY BECAUSE OF ONE FUCKING STUPID CLAYMORE MINE WHAT THE FUCK

HATO-ISIS tactics.

>>64097327 (OP)
>Be me
>inna EOD doing a full up exercise of invading a hostile country
>Bunch of 82nd infantry guys surround a warehouse and see signs/have intel it might be boobytrapped
>onmyway
>Get there and a platoon of dudes is sitting around out of play
>The Lt in the platoon was getting antsy just sitting around so ordered his dudes to kick down a door.
>It was tied to a boobytrap that went off, with fake detcord strung to like 10 training 155mms inside.
>Observers just said fuck it you're all dead.

People would rather just walk into an obvious telegraphed boobytrap than chill the fuck out for a minute.

>>64097327 (OP)
>hey my entire squad died to that guy in a window we could easily see if we did better visual recon
>perhaps I shall take this into account not only for further training exercises so I preform better but so that said training and experience could potentially save my life and the lives of my teammates should conflict break out and I am required to utilise my skills in a combat situation?
>na I'm just gonna bitch, that's easier
I know this is a shitpost but the amount of people who fall on bitching about 'fairness' in wargame are genuinely the most retarded people alive and I have no fucking clue how 90% of the people who DO bitch qualified for NCO

No, eat shit. We go into every war expecting heavy losses, but we never encounter them because we train to fight ourselves. Examination of failure is where learning takes place, so maybe don't dismount right in the obvious killzone and you wont step on a claymore left by opfor chads who have read the same manuals you have and know what you think are good positions to dismount.

>on trail on foot on fast march to target
>lt says we are wide open and sitting ducks, tells us to cut through the woods
>get lost and never make it to the target
Anyone else?

>try to flank opfor
>get blown up by IEDs
>try to take opfor headon
>get obliterated by enemy fires
>try to retreat
>get flanked by opfor
>dont engage opfor
>they engage you
???

>>64097366
If you cant dismount behind cover then where the fuck do you dismount shithead?

>outnumbered and has shitty outdated gear
>btfo's your unit anyways with minimal casualties
Why are opfor such chads?

ITT LT getting mogged and zogged

Should have listened to Sarnt and not dismount

>>64097383
Maybe not in the most obvious place to dismount? Do you think the pub on the corner of some shitkicker village is going to be a safe place to hold up when you're in country? Fuck no, the locals know where you'll think to hide and they'll make you hurt for it.
Try thinking for a minute before "dashing behind cover" like a wild animal.

>>64097389
the nco didn't go to ocs and should shut the fuck up. theres a reason why officers exists and why they often have degrees while your stupid dumb fuck grunt is a high school dropout. i dont give a fuck what number comes after the E

>>64097407
I dunno, heading down to the pub while this all blows over sounds like a tactically sound decision

>>64097347
Same exercise
>Main FOB that's been hastily constructed
>Night time, chillin'
>Hear a fuckload of .50 cal fire
>wtf
>Bunch of random small arms fire and observers call a time out to regroup things
>find out what happened
>OPFOR had ambushed some humvees in a 3 vehicle convoy and "killed" everyone inside. (I don't know exactly how that went down)
>They take the humvees ("dead" troops ride with the observers in their vehicles)
>Humvees manned by OPFOR get to entrance of FOB and get waved through even though they are wearing OPFOR OD uniforms. I guess because it was dark.
>They roll up to the tent serving as the TOC and just unload the .50 cals in its direction
>Bunch of soldiers in the FOB catch on and shoot at the OPFOR
>Observers called a halt to figure out casualties since the .50 cals didn't actually penetrate the tent.
>Called OPFOR dead and randomly picked half the people in the tent as dead. They ended up having to revive a bunch of people early because too much of the command structure got taken out.

>>64097407
>I know! I'll dismount behind this thick stone wall with perfect overwatch! The enemy would never think to attack me here and deny me this position!

>>64097408
Spoken like a true west point bitch. You'd make your old professors piss themselves with glee, you desk jockey flunky. There's no point in giving you any advice because the people you didn't listen to first would have given you the best pearls of wisdom but that doesn't matter to your dumbass because they didn't attend chestbump with you at Outrageous Cunt School. You waste of a uniform.

>>64097407
>train you to hide behind cover
>big exercise time
>fight opfor
>they destroy you for doing as trained
What gives? Why train us to do what opfor wants us to do?

>>64097415
>The enemy abandoned a full box of grenades! Score!
>The guys just found some fresh pancakes in an inn, probably made just before the attack. We're eating good today!
>These local women are so cool, let's invite them into the command tent and get shitfaced!

>>64097416
Next you'll tell me how the E-6 knows more than a O-3

>>64097411

>>64097421
In certain tasks, yes. This isn't a fucking Ork army where duh Warboss knows more about fighting than all of his boyz. I wouldn't entrust a company element to the E-6, but I wouldn't listen exclusively to a fresh-faced O-3 that just finished command school and never deployed. There's context. There's circumstance. Fucking prick.
Go get your guys notionally blown up again. I bet they love you for that.

>>64097430
Folks like you get court martialed.

>>64097327 (OP)
>I want to win every exercise and be heros
Move to any authoritarian dictatorship, their guys win every exercise at the cost of losing every war.

>>64097435
There we go, that's the hallmark of a shitty officer. Just fuck with anyone who speaks up about how retarded you are. Leadership is all about the carrot and the stick, right? The carrot stuffs your big mouth and the stick gets lodged up your sergeants' asses.

>>64097439
You can't spread dissension in the ranks because you think the O-2 made a mistake. The O-2 knows more than your dumb skull can comprehend because he went to command school and studied this while you went to stupid school to learn how to handle your weapon. Yeah you have more time in the field shooting guns but you miss the big picture. Thats why its officers running the show, not fucking grunts.

>>64097347
>>64097412
I had an NCO that spent time at an OPFOR in Europe, told a story that went something like
>79th Airborne coming for last games before deployment
>last time they were there, CO was an ass and everyone hated him
>decide to thoroughly rek his shit
>game starts, CO decides to jump into the zone
>in high wind conditions
>goodbye ankles
>while they're cleaning up a real-world mass casualty event, entire OPFOR team does a technical rush into the drop zone
>even the fucking cooks got handed rifles and loaded up
>observers just call game over you lose
>autistic officer noises ensue

>>64097421
Some E-6s are way more competent and better leaders than some O-3s I know. Hell, some SSGs were able to run PLTs as PSG and without a PL.
Some people are just retarded and fail upwards.
Not to mention the fact that a good SFC is worth more than two 2LTs or one pre-XO 1LT
t. O-3

>>64097445
Youre an enlisted.

>>64097347
>>64097327 (OP)
What the hell are you talking about, play pretend in the woods? What the fuck?

>>64097442
>t. the asshole who got his element blown up by a SINGLE CLAYMORE
There's nothing more to discuss with you. You want to run your platoon like an iron-fisted tyrant, go right ahead. As long as you can kiss some ass, your horrible track record in tactical environments will get completely omitted from your OER. Faggots like you make lower enlisted and sergeants alike leave service. But you know so much more than they, so you shouldn't feel bad about that.
Fuck you and have a nice day. Sir.

>>64097450
Nope.

>>64097453
Dipshits like you dont belong in the military. You lower morale simply by opening your trap. Im glad people like you leave because that itself is better service than nonstop insubordination

>>64097445
A good E-7 is hard to come by these days and you know it. Pieces of shit like >>64097442 make sure of that. Only the crusty terminals stick around anymore.

>>64097458
It was the OER comment, wasn't it?

>>64097458
>Dipshits like you dont belong in the military
Hi, pot, name's kettle. You're a nigger too.

RTU officers make the most hilariously mind bogglingly dumb decisions on a pretty regular basis. One that comes to mind is when the entire OPFOR tank company was dug in watching a fairly major intersection at a notional river crossing (read: admin/civilian MSR that runs through the training area)
There are multiple other options to cross this river at other crossing points to the north and south. Yet the BLUFOR commander decided to fully commit the majority of his maneuver forces to this crossing which we had filled with pre plots for IDF, obstacles, mines, scores of different battle positions for our tanks, etc
Suffice to say, BLUFOR suffered 90% loses. They easily could've gone north or south but instead went for the biggest crossing on the map. Ripperoni.

Also the one time a BN XO on the BLUFOR side got shot by his own sentries for thinking he was immune to providing a password at night when he was given the challenge.

I love being OPFOR.

>>64097443
lul. I started writing up a whole other story but it got convoluted. TLDR I was going through NCO course and was being pushed to pick up and carry a bunch of ordnance that was inside a mosque and bring it outside. Fuck no. I pulled out some training C4 I had specifically asked for (and the cadre had forgotten that I'd asked for) and theoretically blew up the cache in place inside the mosque.
They tried to ding me for that in the AAR even though real world ROE said you could do that. and also the training cache was boobtrapped so if I'd picked it up I'd have "died". Bunch of mouthbreathers running that course.

Best part of the course was on another exercise when I happened at a window to a building where OPFOR guy was on the other side shooting and before I could think too much about it I grabbed the barrel of his M4 and ripped it out of his hands. Barrel was a bit spicy hot and it hurt like hell once I stopped to think about it.

>>64097475
>giving the OPFOR a mini heart attack for being lazy
Based. I hope you didn't scar your palms from that.

>>64097450
he sounds like he has practical experience. Every practical field that exists will have people tell you that people who went to some school to learn things are retarded compared to anyone with a little practical experience. Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers and yes military too. You went to retard school where knowing anything important is tertiary to jacking off the grader.

>>64097383
you fire smoke on whatever vantage points or buildings can see you, and then dismount the fuck away from buildings, preferably in an open field that is not mined.

>>64097487
I wouldn't go that far. Yes, some officers go to their schools and come out pompous and aloof, but there are also some important things those schools can teach. Command in the modern military is extremely convoluted with bureaucracy and networks. On top of that, those schools also have to try to teach leadership. It's hard shit. I don't knock the guys who go enlisted or commissioned, I just want them to understand that they need each other to do the job right, e.g. >ONE FUCKING STUPID CLAYMORE MINE
Had he taken some advice, he might not have felt like saying WHAT THE FUCK afterword.

>>64097485
No, it was hot but it wasn't HOT. Just enough to be a pain. Yeah it was kind of a weird situation where it was a limited size scenario urban ambush thing and I just happened to be in a blind spot.
Later down the line I provided some OPFOR support by making IEDs for them specifically for EOD centered scenerios, so the IEDs were actually functional and not "cellphone taped to a brick" like a lot of training IEDs are. I got sent briefly also to support an NCO training center improve it's training aids, but every improvement I made got reversed because "its not in da book" (book being horribly out of date or inaccurate from the start on IEDs and ordnance)

>>64097496
Has EOD just historically been admin fucked? I have a particularly strong memory of IED training back in basic a decade+ ago where the bomb lab was closed because the sergeant in charge of it was under investigation for making an actually functional bomb lab.

>>64097496
Well you tried. I wish fuckers like you would get picked up by the guys that write scenarios. You could give the new generation a nice and scary time in the field. And maybe even jackasses like OP would appreciate that someone put effort into a good dummy bomb instead of an old training claymore. Some OPFOR commands really have no imagination.

>>64097327 (OP)
ADMIN ABUSE AAAAADMIN ABUUUUUSE

>>64097490
>preferably in an open field that is not mined.
Yeah but mines are invisible half the time

>>64097501
>an actually functional bomb lab
Well? Where's the rest of the story?

>>64097501
>Has EOD just historically been admin fucked?
We have a lot of our own training. Back in the day GATOR was a big place where they were constantly updated scenarios. Internally units also do a lot of training. Again back in the day, we had access to detailed EOD reports from Iraq/Afghanistan and people in the unit would recreate the IEDs for other people to train on. There was a lot of motivation and bragging right about being "the best" so we were pretty self motivated to train.
When it came to supporting JTRC or NTC, yeah a lot of it was admin handwave fuckery. Usually the scenerios weren't for or about us, it was for the infantry or whoever and training them to call us and cordon things. We were treated like a black box.

>>64097501
kek, sounds like my lab in college where everyone did nothing but make superbugs

>>64097512
I don't have it, but if I remember him bitching correctly, it was
>Hey SSG Boomer, go make a bomb lab for the troops to practice looking for booby traps
>Yes sir
>WTF I didn't mean an actual fucking bomb lab are you trying to build explosives or something?

>>64097503
Ya, we do a lot of that internally but it was hard to commit to or get outside peeps to listen. Some stuff did bug me like when a scenerio would run a command line for an IED and it would just be run straight not covered up or anything, meant to be seen. Stuff like that trains bad habits because IRL insurgents were running dummy command wires like that to herd inexperienced soldiers towards the real IEDs.

>>64097522
>playing the "just following orders" card
>after making actual explosives
What a son of a bitch. I hope his ass got shifted down a few times but god damn if that isn't funny.

>>64097520
Got to go to a course with some top FBI explosives guy. He was not at all what you'd expect, more like hm, manic Bob Ross I guess. Second day of the course he brought in a bunch of stuff from WalMart complete with receipts to prove how easy it was to make HME. I even learned some new recipes. And we did actually make the stuff and blew it up which was a fun time.

>>64097528
I *think* it was just "had all the components in one place", but faded memory and biased witness apply.

>>64097524
I hate that shit so much. Giving the guys a good kicking around is one thing - even if it gets too unfair sometimes - but putting the scenario on easy mode is stupid as hell. Easy mode should be for teaching basic functions, not for what should be serious training. Enough about the gripes, though. Where did you have the most fun? Doesn't have to be as the trainer/support.

>>64097537
That, I can't weigh in on too much. I think there were a few more fuckups around Boomer before he had all the necessary material in one place. And whoever owned that facility needed a wakeup call.

>>64097327 (OP)
Do white militaries really?

>>64097538
Oh I couldn't possibly answer that.

>>64097549
You motherfucker. How dare you show that shit here. There are perfectly good reasons why sk*b got cut out of doctrine.

>>64097540
Yeah, guy was definitely a Joe's NCO, and that does have its ways to go wrong. I guess I was just reminded of it because, as you said, black box, and that seems like the kind of thing that's ripe for communications friction once the guy above you has a different MOS. But if you say he's a fucking retard, then I'll defer.

>>64097562
I would imagine it was both, and then there were at least a couple other guys signing off on some dumb shit to let it happen. Ironically to the argument from earlier, this is a great example of how a good command team could prevent this kind of snafu before the first volatile component was ordered.

>>64097408
Extreme barnigger cope.

Sarnt is where it’s all at. Your retarded ass needs to be quiet. You’re a private with a different insignia

>>64097553
>skub hate train meme in anno domini 2006+19
Retarded niggers don't want anyone to have fun

>>64097653
It literally got a guy killed in Hood back in 2013 you fucking moron.

>>64097347
>retarded officers being retarded because they hate the idea of not being in charge for one second

>>64097408
>uppity jo not listing to his NCO masters
You faggots are the worse and NGMI career wise

No that's exactly why we do this shit. I've been on both sides. Retarded lt stopping at a c wire obstacle trying to send a report while everyone is telling him to back off because it's obviously an ambush.
Or just having one dude without a weapon going out in the middle of the road and grab his junk ans thrust left and right and the blufor lt was so confused we had time to flank their entire convoy and kill them all before they even dismounted.

>>64097442
Masterful bait, sir. Not even butterbars are this full of themselves.

>>64097531
Do they still sell stump remover in the US? Because that's literally saltpeter. Basically once you have an oxidizer everything can be fuel.

>t. Currently turning stumps into IEDs

>>64097418
It's a perfect lesson of the fact that if you do what your enemy expects you to do, you are likely to get hurt bad for it.
Doing something stupid is less bad than failing to surprise the enemy in any way.

>>64097509
That's why you send 2 squads in separate APCs

>>64097764
>Or just having one dude without a weapon going out in the middle of the road and grab his junk ans thrust left and right and the blufor lt was so confused we had time to flank their entire convoy and kill them all before they even dismounted.

>>64097442
>The O-2 knows
heh

>>64097416
the butterbar anon is baiting your grumpy old ass but he's got a point. the army sometimes needs grunts to get on the move and do shit, even if it's dangerous, suicidal even, and perhaps stupid on a tactical level.

so it needs a class of fresh faced butterbars who aren't "one of the men" to do the ordering men to die for some lines on the map part.

doesn't excuse pointless stupidity but the stupidity isn't always pointless.

>>64097327 (OP)
This you?

>>64097833
This. If it were up to the NCOs, wars would be lost. You can win every battle tactically and end up with a colossal strategic defeat and lose the whole war.

>>64097347
>be me
>inna EOD doing a full up exercise defending Atropia from invasion
>bunch of 4th infantry guys corner a person wearing a backpack IED with chemical weapons
>onmyway
>get there to a platoon of dudes sitting around out of play
>Lt of the platoon got antsy just sitting around and so tried to open the chemical PBIED
>had two nerve agent 155s inside with the top flap boobytrapped
>observer just said fuck it, you're all dead
>CBRN OCT was so impressed with how fast we got into JSLIST and set up the JCAD that he told us that all the agent blew away and we didn't die
It is remarkable how quickly people will choose death once they spend a day or two wearing miles gear.

>>64097327 (OP)
Git gud, scrub.

>>64097876
That's because of political decisions rather than operational. I mostly had good lts ans captains but if batallion and brigade is willing to be micromanaged by politics the mission will fail

Damn military niggers are so retarded.
When China bodies you all I will laugh so hard...

>be me, full timer
>in charge of section of reservist grunts, acting as OPFOR for a big choco excersise, even had some bong chocos
>whilst waiting to get given orders we are staged at CSSB HQ, use this time to get a good layout of the camp and how they are operating
>notices sentries are just waving white fleets (civilian cars) through
interesting
>get given orders and vehicles, go set up base camp and do our thing for a couple of days, was in afghan with the sarge in charge so he would just piss off to HQ and let me do my thing
>mistake
> wait till 0145 (known piquet changeover time), get section, load up white fleet ute with blanks and sim grenades, drive in direction to CSSB harbour, drop off the guys in the tray and drive straight past sentries like I own the place
>they don't do a fucking thing
>they don't do a fucking thing
>give go order, both guns in back seat open up, absolute chaos begins
>every cunt running around like a headless chook, with no fucking idea what's going on
we continue acting as a distraction whilst the 4 I dropped off infiltrate and do their thing
>we're just driving around laying hate (blanks sadly) out the windows, pop flare indicates assualt team has finished, GTFO of dodge and go to RV point
>no casualties on my side, could not have gone better
>get chewed out next day cause apparently one of the assault team red penned the padre
they also fragged the COs tent lmao
For the unaware a CSSB is a support battalion, POGs
Oh and the night after we managed to leopard crawl right up to the bong harbour and steal ration packs and piquet lists cause not only were they gobbing off all night loud as fuck they were also using white light lmao
We also took out their entire command staff with an IED during the final assault on the camp lol
I have a few more stories about that ex, was a fucking good one

>>64097473
>Suffice to say, BLUFOR suffered 90% loses
Armchair Warlord told me that is acceptable losses for a river crossing. I think he knows more than you, since he served as a US officer for decades.

>>64097820
Being opfor for ranger tft was so much fun. We spent the daytime doing area denial with our vehicles so we turned their 30 mile march into a 50 and when they hit us at night time we had rigged all the buildings with trip wires with 9 bangers. And when they captured us we'd just say stupid shit. Some FBI agent that was embedded with them asked my friend for his name. It's jack. That doesn't sound very Iranian. No it's jack. Jack mehoff.
He just slammed his head in the ground and said shut the fuck up.

>>64097452
yeah retard its called training.

>>64097438
My pops drew maps for wargames in the Hungarian People's Army (they figured out that as a machinist he knew how to do technical drawings, so they wrangled him in). He said that's when he figured out it was all bullshit, because the simulated HPA was curbstomping the simulated Austrians, the Italians, the West-Germans, the Americans etc. in the 1980's.

>>64097377
>shoot gun
>i die
??? who fucking designed this

>>64097976
You too?
They were definitely on to something

My father also was an engineer and a trained draughtsman. He also used to buy and read a lot of war comics, which is ultimately why I'm here. Once, just fucking ONCE, he used all his skill and drew me a Panzer IV and a Gundam RX78. It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen, and it only took him a few minutes.
Too bad the bastard never did it again hahaha

>>64097327 (OP)
This was an excellent and fun bait thread.

>>64097412
man opfor sounds like a ton of fun

>>64097976
Really should be the other way around. Make life a living hell for blufor so that when they go into real combat it'll be easier than training

>>64097412
Someone watched The Dirty Dozen.

>>64097952
Lol. Stories like this make me wish being OPFOR was a job. Not a "join the army and you might get to enjoy this a couple times between many months of putting up with pure retardation and shit that will probably have a negative effect on your health later in life", like a job where you straight up get to sit and do nothing but plan and scheme thinking how you can be the biggest asshole OPFOR there is and put those plans into effect once the next training exercise rolls around. Like how you can volunteer to play the role of the bad guys for local police/SWAT training but instead of volunteer it's a job. Get some autists in on that and watch them get to work doing nothing but being the biggest pain in the ass at every turn. The frustration would be huge if you were against them but the creativity would create so many experiences to learn from for when it matters.

>>64097987
My pops does wooden sailboat models.

He said the army was a huge waste of time. He said all the army teaches you is how to drink, smoke, steal, fuck around, and dodge responsibilities. Some old-timers say we need to bring conscription back so it would "make men out of these weak youngsters", but it seems the only people that were "turned into men" were the bottom rung of society anyway. Rejects, drunkards and degenerates. My old man was busting factory manager doors down and giving firm handshakes at 17, a real fucking go-getter. To him the army was nothing more than lost time.

These attributes don't make a good dad mind you.

>>64097994
There was a saying back then: "maintaining the appearance of operational effectiveness even at the cost of operational effectiveness". Like Monke's Puccian Army it was all for show. The command staff ran the wargame on the map, showed some minister that according to their calculations the US Army is now running from them with their tail tucked between their leg all the way to the French border, complete success, everyone happy, promotions, premiums, positive reports, we're invincible, everyone is doing their job, everything is fine.

>>64098019
>The command staff ran the wargame on the map, showed some minister that according to their calculations the US Army is now running from them with their tail tucked between their leg all the way to the French border, complete success, everyone happy, promotions, premiums, positive reports, we're invincible, everyone is doing their job, everything is fine.
Which is funny, I remember reading some old cia papers on warsaw pact wargames. The soviet officers had a wargame where they made a crazy high tempo operation, reaching the simulated goal in 3-5 days. The polish officers did the same wargame but threw in random nato airstrikes, long range artillery fire and some gas attacks and suddenly this high tempo operation slowed down drastically. They reached the simulated goal in 7-12 days.

>>64098014
Well i mean you have to do the regular training and learn the doctrine to know how you can fuck them up and predict their moves. It's one of the things we were taught. Always think about how you would kill yourself.

>>64097327 (OP)
imagine smoking the wheels off Estonians shooting utm with nothing but electric airshit bb guns in front of JSOC dudes and their command

>>64098014
the US army has a dedicated OPFOR unit

>>64097412
I love doing viet cong shit and killing off company leadership. Nobody ever posts guards at the TOC lol

>>64097939
Amusing story, anon.
I'd like to hear some more.

>>64098051
>Always think about how you would kill yourself.
Way ahead of you.

>>64097347

>”People”

>>64097377
>>64097388
>>64097412
>>64097443

This entire thread is giving me a boner.

>>64097435

Folks like you get fragged.

>>64097458
>>64097453

Now boys calm down. I bet you’re both great at fellating Israeli interests, and being mindless zogbots for people who literally think you’re cattle. This dialogue has done nothing to dispel this notion and if anything has firmly reinforced it.

Now please wait for your non service related premature cancer.

>>64098019
Mine is alright
But he has high expectations
>busting factory manager doors down and giving firm handshakes at 17, a real fucking go-getter. To him the army was nothing more than lost time.
Yes i know the type
He's like that too, him and all his brothers

>>64097988
Dedicated OPFOR units are some of the most desired in the entire Army. Dudes will stay in them for years and years if they can.

>>64097327 (OP)
Skill issue

>>64097487
>people who went to some school to learn things are retarded compared to anyone with a little practical experience.
>Engineers
I swear to fucking God, they should be required to be on site for their first design for the whole process so we can drag them to all their fuck ups.
>Orders steel with 3/4" mounting holes
>transformer has holes for 1/2" bolts
>the head of a 1/2" bolt is 3/4"
And that's why there's three 600lb transformers being held in place by what I have termed "Load Bearing Washers"
>>64097785
We just pack them full of Tannerite.

>>64098357
In 1900s Germany men were required to pass a 2 year apprenticeship in a machine shop or mechanic's shop before a university would admit them to the engineering program. Apparently it worked well.

>>64098380
>Apparently it worked well.
>looks at Henschel
Did it?

>>64097377
>get engaged to opfor
>cheat on opfor once opfor gets deployed
>divorce and take half of opfor's things
It's as shrimple as that

>>64097347
Is it even surprising anymore when a butter bar does stupid stuff in an exercise?

>first training exercise
>not even a real solider yet, its college ROTC, so literally everyone involved is a pre-butterbar
>our unit is loaded for some reason so we still have a Blackhawk from the local NG unit, machine guns, dummy mines and AT4s
>innawoods, but theres this like three lane forestry service road we gotta cross
>weve narrowly evaded several ambushes by now, according to our probably overly chatty observer
>the role of squad lead gets changed every two hours because its ROTC and there are no rules
>its now this one fat chick who unironically has a partial PT waiver for some health issue
>im assistant gunner to a 240
>we start crossing the road
>halfway through
>missus squad leader stops
>turns around and starts arguing with the 240 gunner about some comment he made like an hour ago about her being in the way
>we are in the middle of a three lane road with no cover
>observer desperately looking around for something he can use as an excuse to have us all marked as killed
>its day three of the exercise and im on like 2 hours of sleep
>grab her by the shoulders and drag her to the other end of the road
>observer settles on marking her and one of the squad riflemen as dead due to a sniper that doesnt exist
>shes dead so cant bitch anymore
>im reported as having “attempted to save the wounded” even though i manhandled her before she was even marked as such
I legitimately think every single excercise we did was some kind of disaster, the “finale” of that FTX was the entire unit storming a hill like it was the napoleonic wars

>>64097952
Last year in yakima? Or the one four years ago? Fbi dude was weird

>>64097452
I agree it sounds fun as heck

>>64098192
So "Tom" fixed crime by eliminating the group, that despite only being 13 percent of the population, committed over 50% of violent crime? No wonder they built a memorial for him.

>>64097764
Fucking lmfao m8

>>64097487
>Every practical field that exists will have people tell you that people who went to some school to learn things are retarded compared to anyone with a little practical experience. Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers and yes military too.
Yeah but on the other hand, would you rather have surgery done by a doctor straight out of med school or the guy who's been the hospital janitor for 30 years?
Not siding with the butterbar being a douchebag, just saying it's not that cut and dry. Seems to me letting them do stupid shit and get "killed" on exercise (within reason) is for the best anyway because there's a good chance it'll reduce the chance of doing it for real downrange.

>>64097442
Everytime I see something like this, it makes me appreciate how important it is that Navy OCS is run by the chiefs, more or less, and as such all the baby officers get to see first hand how little they know and how much the E-7 and highers do so they come out of the place with a decent amount of respect and deference to the people they'll nominally be in charge of.

>>64097987
Kinda similar here. My dad was an architect who accidentally fell into movie/TV set design. Took me along on a lot of research trips to airplane and military museums etc. as a little kid, which I'm sure is a big part of why I'm here.

>fresh 0331
>"invading" the island of Gotland, Sweden
>Swedish Army and National Guard with US Army ranger advisors are defending as OPFOR
>perform actual no-bullshit beach landing with boats courtesy of the Swedish Marine Corps
>sweating balls off humping a 240b in the middle of summer
>squad aimlessly wanders around random woods, villages, and sheep pastures, confusing the locals, enjoying the summer scenery and eating the abundant tiny wild strawberries
>butterbar has no clear objective and can't read a map to save his fucking life
>butterbar decides gather the whole squad for some kind of impromptu landnav meeting in the middle of the T-intersection
>open farmland for at least half a klick as far as the eye can see
>BRRRRRRRRRTTT
>MILES goes haywire
>everyone scrambles into the nearest ditch
>stay in the ditch because there's zero cover or concealment anywhere nearby
>near constant BRRRRRRRRRRRRTs ring out for the next couple minutes
>notional mortar rounds rain down soon afterwards
>100% casualties
Turned out OPFOR had a MG on a sandbagged tripod in an attic window overlooking the intersection, with like 2000 rounds worth of belts daisy chained and ready to rock
>eat lunch and bullshit
>get magically revived a few hours later
>run into several enemy tanks and IFVs like 20 minutes afterwards
>open the door
>get on the floor
>walk the dinosaur

During these types of exercises I'm the 2Lt who hid inside an airconditioned Humvee while the rest of the guys get offed.

I only got out and joined in with the fun when it broke.

>>64097487
>lawyers
>engineers
>doctors
Let me complete the Asian Four: as an accountant i have to say I'd rather take my chances with a fresh graduate than, as I have seen, secretaries drafted to do accounting work for years
The latter type have plenty of practical knowledge, sure, but they often don't understand the underlying principle WHY we do this, simply "oh it's always been done this way". Which works fine, until they encounter a new situation. And trust me, something new and unexpected always comes up.

And here's the thing about practical knowledge vs someone who's gone through the textbook: you don't have certainty. A good analogy is like self-medicating (or asking Grok) vs seeing a qualified doctor: you might think you have a list of 5 symptoms that looks like Disease A, but Doc might be able to tell you that "no, this is actually B, because Symptom 3 presents earlier if it's A" or "Symptom 6 always presents if it's A" and you don't know it
Similarly in law, it's always a battle between who can find more case judgements or special clauses that the other guy missed out. And exactly as with war, both sides go to trial thinking they have the winning answer, and somebody is going to be disabused of the notion and discover they're wrong.
These fields are made up of more exceptions than general rules. You need both the textbook and the experience.

You want a purely empirical army led by E-grades? That's the Russian Army.

>>64099120
>enjoying the summer scenery and eating the abundant tiny wild strawberries
I fucking love those things. They grow like crazy here in Norway, and the whole senpai goes out to pick buckets of them to preserve as jam.

>>64097377
>The enemy advances, we retreat; the enemy camps, we harass; the enemy tires, we attack; the enemy retreats, we pursue.
>Chairman Mao

this is the very nature of protracted guerilla warfare

>>64097654
>>64097549
qr?

>>64097327 (OP)
Do you guys legit do field exercises where you either do combat drills and fieldcraft on your own / actually fight force on force and have to apply tactics to beat your enemy and attain your objectives with miles gear? And how often?

Cause we don't do any of that shit where I am.

>>64099307
Newfag AND stupid. What a catch.

>>64099307
Fuck you!

>>64099307
>he doesn't know

>>64099329
Yes yes stupid here. Now can I get a fucking explanation

>>64098204
Based artfag

>rush b tard fails to realize it isn't a fair video game match with a 15 minute timer.

>>64097370
>Be me, lt in the shittest army in europe
>Field exercise
>While progressing innawoods, notice an obvious IED/trap placement, under a bridge
>Order my sections into defensive positions and radio for an EOD team
>Essentially get told no EOD team, cross the tiver anyway
>Be advised, very likely trap
>Just do it, LT
>Ok, crossing on foot, away from bridge
>Nope, you gotta cross the bridge
>That's stupid
>Do it anyway, fag
>Do it
>Daisychainned 155s blow up my platoon
>Get chewed up by btn

Sometimes, you just cant win

>>64099457
Major skill issue, if you spam dodge roll you can I-frame through them

>>64098204
lel I remember that thread

>>64097377
Call for Fire.

>>64099457
I would have knife-parried it

>>64097475
>I grabbed the barrel of his M4 and ripped it out of his hands

>when your humvee gets notionally lit the fuck up by 25mm and you somehow are one of two guys out of a platoon sized element to not die
>spend the next 30 hours awake
JRTC is some fuck shit

>>64097327 (OP)
>t. Dogshit ROTC Lt.

>>64099457
No, see, this was a very important lesson to teach you that sometimes there is no way to win or survive and this is somehow a positive thing. It's retarded.

>>64097327 (OP)
>ENTIRE FUCKING PLATOON IS OUT OF PLAY BECAUSE OF ONE FUCKING STUPID CLAYMORE MINE
realistic inscludubg medivac and security for it, you are just a bit shit desu you cleary can't even do the basics, consider your career before you get people killed.

>>64097347
yup abd you can bet that they were ball bunched up just like op and went from the primary to the secondary kill zone to take shelter as the killzone maker predicted. Then someone pops a grenade under a few body ies and and that gets the next lot as well because stupid

>>64097370
>>get lost and never make it to the target
sounds a lot like actual combat, or that the target is another click away and does not actually exist and is some goat shed

>>64097408
Officers are just there to do paperwork on me when I fuck up, shut the fuck up and sign off on my NCOER fag

>>64099836
this

>>64099886
the trouble with that is your brain is smal

>>64099856
sir, we're receiving a distress signal from a Japanese tanker in the Persian Gulf...

>>64097421
90% of 0-3s are more worthless than stepped in shit.

>>64097442
7/8

>>64097785
Yeah, you can get powdered potassium nitrate at any farm supply or home improvement store. Even Amazon or Walmart.

>>64097412
>>64097412
MWTC Bridgeport, 2018
Training with sister unit as opfor
>3 day event
>2 total engagements
>1 company of infantry equipped with UAV, artillery, air assets
>OPFOR - 1 squad of retards
>Day 1
>hike 5 miles into the mountains, set up on a relatively flat grove of pines
>everyone gets into cover
>spot enemy snipers outlined on the ridge just at our treeline
>sneak up and ambush them
>notionally steal their rifles, actually steal their radios
>enemy command has no idea they're out of play
>listening to enemy chatter, getting grid locs and movements
>send two man team on rocky outcrop to pick off commanders in open field
>calling in mortars
>60% casualties
>eventually they find our spot and overrun us
>still fucked them up, unit had taken too many casualties
>reset, move to next engagement location
>top of a mountain, hiked all the way up to a flat spot
>set up security again
>waiting till nightfall
>enemy contact
>they rush us on the west flank
>I was RTO, trying to get the fucking radio to work right
>we get pushed back
>suddenly see my buddy scream "you bastards wanna live forever??"
>charges enemy advance
>everyone follows right behind
>i don't see what happens next
>hear gunfire
>more gunfire
>holy fuck thats a lot of gunfire
>"ENDEX!!"
>find out later, enemy company completely obliterated between OPFOR fires and buddy's counter charge
>sister unit laughing stock for the rest of our time there
>fuckem, they were treating us like shit the whole time leading up to this
>justOPFORthings

>>64099856
Except the way to win was simply to find another crossing point, but then the opfor that set up that trap wouldn't have won. In my country, military games aren't about trainning, they are coreographed theatrics to make someone looks good.
Once I was ordered to go through an obvious mine field, with vehicles, because a general had personally ordered that minefield to be placed because it was a perfect location. So, to make sure the general was on good spirits, a platoon got sent into a minefield, despite identifying it and starting the proper crossing procedure. Fucking bullshit.

Another ancient ordnance-training related story.
>Stationed at Ft Polk (JRTC)
>The woods in a lot of the training area blends with woods open to the public
>Cops call into EOD because they "found a bunch of mortars"
>Oh shit. It's plausible for UXO to wander out of the ordnance ranges for sure so treat it serious
>Coordinate to meet them at a local gas station in town so they can lead us to the spot
>Get to the gas station
>"Ok let's go check out those mortars"
>Cops say no need, we helped you guys out!
>Pop their trunk
>Oh fuck
>A bunch of PVC pipes spray painted green with "MORTAR" stenciled on the side (whew)
>Cops ask if they are dangerous
>No, because they are obviously training aids, but Jesus Christ they thought they were live and just hucked them into their patrol car.
At least its not as bad as the Hellfire near a van down by the river...

>>64099990
What post-communist or arab shithole you dwell from anon?

Wtf why do you guys do all that cool shit on the field I'm genuinely envious, any euros here can chime in on their field time?

>>64098450
Pervitin problem.

>>64099894
>Not reprogramming the Houthis to fear your name and instantly retreat when they find out that Anon T. Kek is on the scene

>>64097407
This works, when it's champagne factories in France in the small town you and 100 plus men were sent to take over.
It stops working after local command sends a third wave of reinforcements because no one has passed word back.
So they come running with 300 plus dudes to find you and 300 other dudes drunk off your ass.
They all got marched to a biouvac and had a forced 8 Mile rock the next day. Dudes were puking and dropping everywhere, and they just kept marching.
Grandpa never drink champagne again for the rest of his life n

>>64100016
Poortugal

>>64097983
You jest but its bullshit that bullets can kill me.

>>64098019
>He said the army was a huge waste of time. He said all the army teaches you is how to drink, smoke, steal, fuck around, and dodge responsibilities.

My dad also did 2 years conscription in the Ukraine SSR. His exact words were "a fun waste of two years of my life, I got nothing out of it and should have been anywhere else."

>>64100150
So the farthest country from the Russian aggressor. Makes sense.

>>64097435
There's a reason why the US army purges its officer corps every single time it goes to war.
It's not because their officers are the best and brightest warfighters

>>64098202
You type like a fat person, I bet you jiggle when you walk

>>64100027
I've got a couple from the FDF from my last war game that's the culmination of conscription.

>Pretty large war game, units from all over the country
>Was part of an AA unit, responsible for the business end of the system
>Reserve squad lead (Not an NCO though), in charge of scouting new positions
>After the first day, I catch a ride with a skappari (professional soldiers in charge of us retards & also observers)
>Get to the position, do my job etc
>On the way back we're driving through the woods on small a sand road
>Pass an infantry platoon walking next to the road
>Skappari straight out says "This must be the infantry squad going to assault your position, let's let them do their thing"
>He pulls over while the inf squad fucks off into the forest.
>What the fuck they were doing on the road anyways is beyond me
>It was going to be a while seated in a piece of shit Land Rover in the midday sun
>Wait for a few mins and get bored
>Me being AA, I've not had a chance to do some real inf shit
>The conscript has a brilliant idea, Herra Luutnantti
>Half jokingly ask if I can take off into the forest to follow them
>To my great fucking surprise he says sure
>Instantly get out of that hotbox and take off running into the woods
>Catch sight of them about 50 meters away
>Get real into it
>Stop to improve my camouflage with moss & sticks in my helmet
>Rub dirt on my face from the moss
>Start stalking the squad through the forest, keeping the distance
>With the position closing in, they stop to plan their attack
>Basic crouch huddle pile
>Sense my time has come
>Creep & then low crawl as close as I can
>I'm like less than 10 meters of them when they hear me

>>64099993
might just be an epic prank from the cops

>>64100438
Cont.

>As they turn around, I pop up from behind a spruce sapling with my gun pointed at them
>"Stop, FDF, Password!", one motherfucker tries to give me one, but it's obvs the wrong one
>I tell them so with a shit eating grin
>We spent a few seconds staring at each other with guns pointed, wondering what to do since this was too close for blanks
>The skappari, who I imagine was just as confused about who the fuck I was as the inf squad was, calls a pause
>Asks me what unit I am from
>Explain that I was from the car they encountered and I was part of the squad they were heading towards
>He spends a few moments discussing with the inf about the squad's predicament, what went wrong etc
>Then he asks for my name, tells me I could have eliminated the SL fireteam and then says they'll continue their assault (They had split up to approach from both sides of the road at some point)
>Walk back to the road and continue back to where the skappari was
>Asks how it went, I tell him, but I had a feeling that he didn't believe me
>After even more time without gunfire, he too gets bored and we head back to my unit
>Tells me not to tell anyone about the upcoming attack
>The camp is in a fucking state. The first position was obviously not thought of with our system in mind and was a nightmare to set up in
>Everyone looking for a missing ratchet handle, no guards posted
>Join in on the search and keep my mouth shut
>Attack comes and it's what you'd expect an attack on a disorganized & unguarded position would be
>Get a chewing out from our skappari, the inf squad comes out of the woods to give their perspective
>After the debrief our skappari just says "Luckily anon killed them in the woods so this was just a practice run" (he was shooting the shit with the inf squad skappari before the attack)
>Pretty sure he just wanted to give me a shoutout
>Promoted to korpraali after exercise, our skappari got promoted as well and received a prize for "Most development in a unit" lmao

>>64100447
Nah, cops, especially small town cops are habitually retarded when it comes to dealing with explosives stuff. They just can't help themselves from fucking touching it.

>>64099375
Lurk another year before posting faget

>>64099993
my old flight chief lost his driver in Iraq to an IED. Apparently they discovered it and spent so long waiting on EOD that his driver said fuck it and tried to kick it off the road so they could keep driving. Instant double-amputee in the blink of an eye. Some people are just fucking stupid...

>>64097347
Why would the enemy telegraph such obvious boobytrapping unless.... they WANT us to chill out for a minute!

>>64100514
I'll say too it really sucked to get on-site and the first thing people did would be bitch about the wait times. Unfortunately it wasn't uncommon for a call to go up from the troops in the field to their TOC and then get clogged at their TOC for in comprehensible reasons instead of calling right over to EOD, so we'd sometimes get a call that the TOC had been sitting on for and hour or two for no good reason.
Other thing that could happen is on the way to the call, finding an IED in the way or coming across another unit in front of an IED sidequest.

It sucked for everyone involved and I felt for the Joes who were sitting around for ages being given no information.

>>64097347
>be scout troop commander
>have scouts observing opfor town for two days
>send all Intel to HHQ for infantry assault
>linkup and explain situation to infantry commander
>plt size+ element, frontal assault is suicide, machine guns, ditches, c-wire, anti-tank guns there, bmps are hiding around the corner to support, mortars here, etc etc
>recommend you attack from the east where there's significantly less defense instead of the south where they're very prepared
>badge checks me
>I do not have a ranger tab
>"YEAH WELL I DON'T TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB. THAT'S NOT REALLY INFANTRY STYLE. LET ME SHOW YOU WHY YOU DON'T GET TO WEAR A BLUE CORD HOOAH"
>he gives a smug look to his cronies and 1SG who nod approvingly
>he doesn't want my three copies of graphics with enemy positions
>alright champ. I'll be prepared to clear the town and casevac your dudes. We're basically infantry, just with better hats
>his rage was immeasurable
>all his guys died. Killed sub 10 OPFOR. My snipers and scouts just recounted the slaughter over the net because apparently the infantry bros comms weren't good enough to reach HHQ.
>I receive order to clear the town after pulling 48 hours of observation ops.
>use organic mortars to neutralize all threats, then casually stroll in to light resistance and casevac all the infantry bros.

My hat may be stupid, but at least my plans aren't. Shame 19D is being shuttered.

>>64097383
Well you can always stay inside the damaged vehicle while it burns.

>>64097654
What hasn't gotten a guy killed at Hood?

This whole thread is filled with reddit tier I told you so and then everybody clapped Bullshit.

>fun stories
>on MY /k/
erm that makes it leddit! we need another thread about slavs killing each other

>>64100803
More inane /int/ pepe cross posting for me, please.

>>64100735
You get your spurs?

>>64100464
how was your time as a finnish conscript? always like hearing about finnbros.

>>64100792
>t. Never served
Everybody plays or witnesses at least one major fuck fuck game.

If I'm against reddit tier posts why the fuck would I ppst something even more reddit tier? You passive aggressive little nigger.

>>64097327 (OP)
The entire point of the exercise is to teach you how to recognize and avoid an ambush since that is 9/10 times how the Chinks are going to open an engagement. That the sim considers your unit to be made out of wet paper is meant to encourage quick suppression of the enemy.

>>64097332
NATO/ISIS tactics are more centered around using locals under CIA/British advisors as puppets, and then doing raids / executions to create shock content and media victories, with the ultimate goal of baiting the main US forces into a conflict

>>64099276
you have a WHOLE senpai?

>>64100818
It was a duty. I'm quite neutral on the experience, but it was fun to get to shoot a rifle & .50 cal, but my particular posting didn't include that much of that. Bootcamp sucked most, but that's to be expected. Learning the system itself was easy, but the time we spent training on setting up & packing up was mind numbingly boring. Understandable why we trained it so much, but god, I have a lifelong burning hatred for the NSV & short cords. Didn't help that most of this training was done during mid winter as I started in January. Also the walk to the shooting range has left me mentally scarred, Parola bros know.

Once spring arrived and we got over the basic system training and into war games and such, it got much more interesting. I was part of the first unit to be trained for this system so the military had some lessons to learn about the training as well, I have a feeling that quite a few things have changed about it since then. No refreshener trainings yet though, but I have a feeling that's going to change in the next few years. On the whole, I'm pretty confident in the FDF based on the quality of training. Since it's max 12 months and as low as 6, they have to cram a lot of shit in that time. It's rough, but it gets the job done.

It's what you make of it, really. Most just go because that's what you do as a Finnish man, some go for leadership training specifically, and a smaller subset of those are gunning for reserve officer training & professional career. It can be shit if you just want to do your duty in 6 months, but they stuff you into the 12 month NCO training. I had the "advantage" of a criminal record before I went in so that disqualified me from NCO training as a rule, but even then at the end of bootcamp, my skappari was trying to convince me to go into it. I mostly went in with two goals, get a 6 month posting and get promoted to korpraali to lord my superiority over everyone else.

>>64097948
what's that bald faggot up to these days anyways? I imagine during the whole Iran debacle he was going on about how Iran was winning the whole time

>>64099058
sergent is not a hospital janitor equivalent here, he's an old welder telling an architect the building wont stay up. combat is chaos, without first hand experience, you dont know anything. in order to learn any practical experience safely, you need someone who isn't afraid to call you a dumb cunt and the humility to recognise you havn't seen things. 2nd lt should be treated like a cadet//squire of old before his first combat or sent off into combat in squads of fresh faced 2nt lt's.

>>64097327 (OP)
>exercises are supposed to teach you something
>HURR I DON'T WANT TO LEARN, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM MY BIASES
People like OP deserved to be fragged.

Not a training story. Disclaimer: details may have been mangled in retelling
>be my squad leader
>gigantic samoan dude, we'll call him T
>in Iraq a million years ago
>get told to clear a building with a fenced in backyard
>reports of sketchy dudes kidnapping people and keeping them there or some shit
>platoon moves up, cordons area, has a squad stack on the door and get ready to clear
>T is first in the stack on the door
>breach man knocks it open
>all 250lbs of 6'2" Samoan goes right through the entryway
>feels a click on his boots but nothing happens
>squad clears the building
>finds a light
>turns it on
>pressure plates and wires fucking everywhere
>T stepped on like 6 of them on his way in
>brief brick shitting moment before everyone realizes whatever they were wired to didn't go off
>follow all the connecting wires and shit out the back door
>it all leads to a bigass truck trailer covered in a tarp
>T comes up and peels the tarp back a little
>absolutely fucking stacked full of 155mm rounds and barrels of shit
>hfw
>entire platoon likely only escaped getting vaporized because the wire connection to the charges got chewed by rats or some shit

>>64101232
I was expecting the conclusion that T was too fucking big and broke the pressure switches when he dtepped on them.

>>64100735
Man being 19D in the recon platoon trying to wrangle infantry is fucking ass.
>hey bro we have a map and this is exactly where you need to go
>fuck you scouts we are infantry we know what we're doing
>they get lost for like 3 hours on a 20 minute movement

>>64101353
Our batallion commander and csm got so mad they personally went out to make sure they listened to us

>>64098019
>He said all the army teaches you is how to drink, smoke, steal, fuck around, and dodge responsibilities.
I mean, he's not entirely wrong

>>64100464
What you just described is more field experience than I ever got in over 1 year in the legion, especially since we never did any field exercise at all

>>64102375
>>64102375
Yeah the FDF doesn't fuck about when it comes to training. Think we were in the field at least once per month for multiple days, the "end war" as the last war game is called is over a week. We got harassed endlessly for obvious reasons after that and fared much better. In the last position we were in, my SL made the OPFOR attack rout by sending me and couple squaddies to flank them, pretty sure those were the same inf squad I had ambushed too, their faces were again worth it to see as I pop up once more from behind foliage in a ditch with my RK on full auto lmao, that time we definitely did got to the shooting part.

>>64097408
>the nco didn't go to ocs and should shut the fuck up. theres a reason why officers exists and why they often have degrees while your stupid dumb fuck grunt is a high school dropout. i dont give a fuck what number comes after the E

>>64099307
Fake product you either love or hate

>>64099214
>Similarly in law, it's always a battle between who can find more case judgements or special clauses that the other guy missed out. And exactly as with war, both sides go to trial thinking they have the winning answer, and somebody is going to be disabused of the notion and discover they're wrong.
That isn't how any of that works. At all. For the most part the law is clear and all you're doing is fighting over the details based on the facts. I cannot tell you how many times I've had to tap dance in front of a judge knowing the law isn't on my side and that it is a loosing issue just so the client feels like I'm working for them, or just throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks. These are skills they don't teach you in law school. They only come with courtroom experience. There are cases I should have won and didn't and cases I should have lost but didn't. Please stick to accounting.

>>64098014
You can???
I think I know what I'm doing this weekend

>>64102981
Yes, or so I heard IIRC from some guntuber-type channels but I never looked into it.

>>64097894
i would actually kill myself before wearing miles again

>>64102981
There are civilian exercise planners and school cadre in the military but they're typically make-work jobs for retirees or people in that career field.
Something fun and achievable for ordinary dudes is to volunteer as a casualty for your local emergency services. My mom was a volunteer firefighter and would make me play wounded as a kid. Loads of fun and you don't need qualifications, just don't be a fucking autismo or anything. Call up your local police or fire departments and ask if they need an extra body for their next training or qualification.

only ever got to be in one ex because i was a pog, got a chance to join because of some others retardation
>supposed to assault position
>squad leader squinting at map
>notice funny looking area on the map
>god awful steep ass forested climb in a draw for a nearby hill
>would put us on a flank of the position we're supposed to take
>intel says area is clean
>suggest we go there, taking a long fuck-ass trail around
>observer tires to convince us not to
>claims it's out of bounds or something
>its clearly in bounds
>argue for like an hour before we're able to go
>go to it
>fuckass painful slope
>if it was any more vertical we would have been rock climbing
>being the genius to come up with the idea, i get to go up first and secure ropes
>rope makes the climb less god awful
>headed to the ridge we'd picked out
>forest feels quiet and empty
>step on something fleshy and squishy
>roll my ankle
>ground starts groaning and wheezing
>i stepped on an OPFOR sniper's nuts
>squad laughs
>observer laughs
>trees laugh
>resident nofun 'shoots' the 'trees'
>observer arbitrates that i 'won' the CQC when everyone manages to stop laughing

>>64097549
Man that brings back some good memories of skub. Where do you even buy it these days? Ran out years ago.

>>64102967
So what are you saying, all you're doing is being a bullshit artist and the judge decides who kisses his ass best?
I think you yourself don't quite understand the value of what you do.

>>64097920
no, operational decisions and even large scale tactical considerations can lead to what look like errors on the small tactical scale - such as feints, probing attacks, relief or supporting operations or even fancy shit like baiting the enemy by leaving some positions deliberately more exposed than others. all this shit has been done many times in history and it explicitly requires a clear and effective chain of command to succeed.

>>64103243
>So what are you saying, all you're doing is being a bullshit artist and the judge decides who kisses his ass best?
No. I am telling you the cartoonish idea that we're doing research on esoteric aspects of the law and we don't know if the arguments are actual winners is bullshit. The law on most issues is clear. It is how the facts are applied to the law is where the arguments actually live and judges are retarded so you have to hold their hand and walk them to the concussion you want them to arrive at. Sometimes the facts are not on your side so you tap dance because it is an adversarial system so you have to do something. I know it, OC knows it and sometimes that tap dance is enough to get what you want or at least lose less because, again, the judge is retarded. The more experience you have, the easier it is to get what you want. There is nothing about the actual practice that is taught in law school. It is that simple.
>I think you yourself don't quite understand the value of what you do.
I know the exact value of what I do. I just don't have any idealistic delusions about it.

>>64103419
>It is how the facts are applied to the law is where the arguments actually live
And don't you have to research case law and so on to demonstrate how these facts applied?
>Sometimes the facts are not on your side so you tap dance because it is an adversarial system so you have to do something
Yeah, like if the something you do isn't good enough because the other guy found a case which is more applicable, or at least appears more convincing? You can't tell me you've never ever been blindsided with new rulings or overlooked rulings or an argument on an old ruling that you didn't/ couldn't figure out how to refute

It's much the same for me too anon, when it comes to getting shit past the IRS and the auditors, we are basically arguing about the application of accounting and tax law

>>64103173
I raise my own.

>doing training
>scenario is a vehicle disabled and contact front
>guys with the vip bail and do the close protection shuffle to the nearest hard structure
>goddamn smoke grenades for the added fuck you i mean realism and fog of war
>comm has shit the bed as usual
>us dumbshits in the rear vehicle bail out and circle around and do the locate close with waltz and destroy the attacking element by fire and maneuver
>instructor comes by
>you guys did some serious asskicking holy shit
>but you're all dead because we're not infantry anymore, our job is to protect and exfil the vip
>we're not carrying double combat loads like the old days
>oh
>right
Its hard to rewrite your brain sometimes

Back in the old days if you wanted to transfer into EOD, you had to go to the local unit for an initial assessment. There was a checklist but it was kind of loose and up to individual units.
>Have some guys coming by at 10 to do an assessment
>Getting relevant stuff ready
>One guy has terrible idea
>Gets in some spare JSLIST and climbs up on a barrel and we put some concertina wire around it
>Give him some empty ammo cans
>When the guys come by for their assessment we go past this dude in the sun standing on a barrel in JSLIST holding ammo cans out
>"WTF"
>Oh that was a guy who came by for a [6am] assessment, anyway let's get started

FUCK HOHENFELS

FUCK GERMANISTAN

>>64102859
Thank you kind anon, I had just googled after the 4chin lingo gatekeeper faggots

>>64097347
For all honesty, I have the same mentality as that russian dude finding a door bell ring tied to a tree. I would swan dive into that trap with no remorse.

>>64097792
they were in the house, why did they stop, once you're in you push, are they not teaching that anymore?

>>64102810
>the NCO's don't know what makes a good soldier, not many do. Do you know, mister LT?

>>64104205
>THE ABILITY TO POLICE THREE MOUSTACHES A MINUTE IN ANY WEATHER, THAT'S MY STYLE SIR!

>>64099323
A lot of units like once a year, its a month long when factoring in prep, actually in the field, and clean up and prep to leave

>>64097412
>>Observers called a halt to figure out casualties since the .50 cals didn't actually penetrate the tent.

Eh what? I get it that they were shooting blanks, but why did the observers rule that the .50 cal didnt penetrate the tents? Were they simulated bunker like structures?

>>64104161
that's how they are taught that

>>64104259
No I think he meant, "everything was all notional and since the miles (or whatever it was they used) gear can't go through a tent the observers had to estimate who died."
If it was an actual firefight a .50 cal would pretty clearly penetrate the tent.

>>64097935
what makes you think they aren't just as retarded?

>>64104259
The other anon got it. They were shooting blanks in the direction of the tent so it had to be admined who got killed on the inside.

>>64103750
>4chin lingo gatekeeper faggots
It's not a 4chan meme.
It's from a webcomic.

>>64098981
>So "Tom" fixed crime by eliminating the group, that despite only being 13 percent of the population, committed over 50% of violent crime? No wonder they built a memorial for him.

Better than that, he sent them into federal territory as sabotage infiltrators.

>>64097327 (OP)

They should bring back Aggressor. Have the OPFOR learn Esperanto, and LARP as an enemy nation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsmkpt6Erys

>>64104816
Fort Polk OPFOR used to wear their Atropian uniforms as daily garrison wear, at least back when I was there.
It was pretty wild to be stationed somewhere people still wore OD and constantly seeing Hueys flying overhead (they used Hueys for both IRL training injury evacs and as OPFOR air assets )

>>64098450
>Henschel
Their locomotives (a core business for them) were okay...

Formerly Army Counterintelligence would offer Red Cell services for leadership to test OPSEC. We stopped because Commanders get demoralized and butthurt by how easily they are assassinated so this didn't exactly contribute to the intent of rapport building and was stopped.

If you wear civilian clothing, have a beard and seem professional then you can generally easily talk your way into any location on a military installation short of a SCIF.

>>64100790
Ironically chlamydia. Never lost a guy to the jerky squirts.

>>64097347
Truer words have never been spoken
>Be opfor
>Establish ambush where road exits a field in the corner for a five vehicle convoy
>An obvious L shaped ambush and choke point
>First hmmwv triggers our little IED thing and gets blasted with flour
>Vehicle radiod dead
>They start blasting at nothing
>We stay in cover
>They dismount
>We throw a fuck ton of smoke
>The wind is in our favor
>Theyre gassed out and visibility was already poor from the dust
>Send in Pvt Retard with notional suicide vest
>Vehicle 3 radiod dead
>Hear their team leader crying about it
>Retards just sit there and dump ammo
>Vehicle five stops shooting
>We run up on vehicle five
>Kill them with all their ammo depleted
>Steal their HMMWV
>The ugly bitch from supply is still in the back
>We have a hostage
Long story short we made them listen to radio chatter of us refusing to rape her because she is too ugly, tied a shirt with a Jolly Roger drawn on it to the antenna, did donuts outside the fob, and turned it into a VBIED that we later blew up their fob with. Good times.

>>64097327 (OP)
opfor are a bunch of nigger faggots im training how to clear the vehicle of bombs not fucking play paintball tag

>>64098014
>11Kino
>Infantry Guerrilla Warfare Specialist

>>64099993
You think that’s crazy? The army housing subdivision and elementary school outside of Ft Meade are built on top of the old artillery range. There’s a little pond back in the woods between them and the National Guard complex filled with sunfish. A buddy and I found multiple actual UXOs out there.

>>64105155
Oh that was just more of a "cop stupid" story.
Many such cases of live UXO. A lot of old 2.36 bazooka rounds just in the woods. Same with 155s. Once we had a guy with an old 500 pound bomb just chilling on his porch. Lots of little shit like grenades and random demo equipment gets found when some old veteran dies and the family goes through their stuff.

The Hellfire incident was a trailer park guy called the cops for a "dang ol' bomb" in the stream behind his trailer park and by gawd, there was a dud Hellfire missile back there that had apparently come from upstream of an aviation training area.

>>64105221
Oh I forgot, a live dud PG-7V round in the woods of Mississippi was quite head scratcher until we traced down that Army National Guard SF had previously used the area for international weapons familiarization

>>64104816
I used to post that video in OPFOR threads

>>64103147
Fun. I wish I got the chance to do that kid of stuff but in basic/AIT I never had the chance and my guard unit just doesn't do that sort of field stuff

>>64100416
It's more due to a fundamental difference in the requirements between a peacetime officer and a wartime one. Mainly the level of risk adverseness

>>64105405

I like that you can kind of tell from the video that, had it been a possibility, these guys would have been posting green-texts featuring combat Esperanto jargon about nuking Louisiana during Sagebrush.

>>64103581
>And don't you have to research case law and so on to demonstrate how these facts applied?
Unless it is something novel or really odd, no. You can hand me a file and I will read it over and tell you how it is going to go in court. This is what experience gives. You cannot learn that in a schoolhouse.
>Yeah, like if the something you do isn't good enough because the other guy found a case which is more applicable, or at least appears more convincing?
No. I can't un-rob the liquor store and I can't un-crash the car. Sometimes your client is just fucking retarded and you get to do damage control.
>You can't tell me you've never ever been blindsided with new rulings or overlooked rulings or an argument on an old ruling that you didn't/ couldn't figure out how to refute
No. Because I actually read my file and what OC sends me. Litigation by ambush isn't a thing. Where shit slips though the cracks is not reviewing your discovery properly or not following procedure but that is entirely different discussion.
>It's much the same for me too anon
Listen, I don't know shit about accounting but I know how to practice law. I am telling you how you think my job works is not how my job works.

>>64105582
From my layman's perspective it seems like the most trouble comes from clients in a fucked position not recognizing when a deal is going to be as good as it gets for the situation and instead demanding everything, which ends up getting them nothing.

>>64105464
Imagine the threads during Operation Longhorn.

>>64105716
>RAMIREZ!
>DEFEND THE PIGGLY WIGGLY!

>>64105597
>the most trouble comes from clients in a fucked position not recognizing when a deal is going to be as good as it gets for the situation and instead demanding everything
That is why you make them pay up front. I personally despise hood lawyers.

>>64103752
I hear you.

>>64104238
Now I want a remake of Generation Kill in Napoleonic period costume

>>64105969
>Look at this shit. How come we can't ever invade a cool kingdom, with like Nubian ladies in grass skirts, you know? How come kingdoms like that don't ever need Le Grande Armée? I'll tell you why. It's lack of pussy that fucks kingdoms up. Lack of pussy is the root fucking cause of all European instability. If more Brits or Prussians were getting quality pussy, there'd be no reason for us to come over here and fuck 'em up like this! Cause a nut-bustin' Brit is a happy Brit.
>Pierre how much absinthe have you consumed?

>>64105730
>tfw no AAA game about the Circle Trigon invasion played completely straight

>>64106325
>How come we can't ever invade a cool kingdom, with like Nubian ladies in grass skirts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Egypt_and_Syria

>>64106336
A MW2 style FPS about the US having a free for all civil war would be pretty cool.

>>64105969
>Arrête ça, mes salauds! You's a squealin' like a squad of shit-packed Sorbonne sororities! Unfuck yourselves or we gonna suffer the spectacle of a salope with a bunch of horny voltigeurs trailin' her stern. Get yourselves squared up here! Caporal-chef, you're inappropriatin' your appareil pour faire bouillir l'eau de la rivière by attemptin' forniquer wit' it! Vive la France, do I have to tell you not to desecrate your equipe with perversions? Where the fuck are your shakos?

>>64103686
The beheadings shall continue until du leave mein woods

>>64097351
>be conscript
>call gets out that those who aspire NCOs to be can get extra evaluation and LARP as NCOs sometimes with their teams
>got the power duo of two super buff and super moto dudes who seem cool so everybody's sorta rooting for them
>one of them flunks out on physical because his massive upper body is too much for his core strength
>now he's a pleb like the rest of us and he just can't handle the failure and turns into a colossal asshole to the point I'm glad he didn't qualify because I'd fucking hate having him as a team leader
Some guys really can't handle failure and it blinds them to everything they could learn from it.

>>64106436
dealing with failure is something that needs to be taught to you while you are young so there is plenty of time to recover from it before you get to anything that will matter for life.
those guys hadn't faced failure before so they get to learn on the job while they don't have the time or energy for it.

>>64106325
>Hon hon hon! Look at me I just stood in ze line and shot in a direction! I’m a man now Brad-cois just like you…except I don’t look like a foppish dandy and talk all educated

>>64105087
>Steal their HMMWV
That's why we always carried extra smokes as opfor because if our vehicle was dead we'd just toss a smoke and say we're a vbied so this vehicle is destroyed. You can't steal it

>>64097452
Military exercise. Real tactics, real vehicles, real troops, fake ammo. It's as close to actual combat you can get without risking lives.

>>64097408
This is what's called "Talking out of your Brass". Keep in mind that OCS is preparing you for a management position and fields experience is usually more valuable than anything taught in a classroom.

>>64097383
>this is what your units are saying to each other in rts games
This makes traps so much easier to manage. Thank you.

>>64097408
The best officers I ever worked worked under were mustangs. The second best were sharp but humble dudes who were willing to learn from anyone, anywhere, who understood the reality of their situation and minimized the bullshit, paperwork, and bullshit paperwork coming down on their men.

>>64108547
>The second best were sharp but humble dudes who were willing to learn from anyone, anywhere, who understood the reality of their situation and minimized the bullshit, paperwork, and bullshit paperwork coming down on their men.
On this note, I think one of the great shames of military service is that it requires a young guy's level of physical fitness. I know that in terms of disposition I'd certainly make a much better soldier, and especially officer, the way I am now in my late 30s than the way I was at 21, but that obviously isn't practical given the years of physical capability they need to get out of people.

>>64097452
>>64106699
Sometimes there’s also laser gear attached to guns and equipment which is really cool (if it works as intended and is zeroed). Equip it with GPS and it can simulate artillery, airstrikes, CBRN etc
Usually there are also a bunch of coordinators who act as referees

>>64098815
I'm literally applying for ROTC at the moment. I can't wait to see what kind of cluster fuck I end up in. At least I get a bumb in pay grade and school covered.

>>64106416

Please tell me they've finally gotten rid of those hunk of shit M113's.

By the time I left half the fleet had to be cannibalized for spare parts.

>Be me
>Be the tard wrangler
>Be the designated party-pooper because the exercise must go on despite some genius ideas.
>No you cannot bury IED's at where they will probably set up their camp.
>No you cannot "just rush the fuckers right now". They just arrived, give them an hour or everything we prepared for months would go down the drain.
>No you are not allowed to fill all the channels with a looping recording of your mom jokes. Our radio setup is supposed to be shitty rebel crap.
>Yes, I know boobytrapping the shitter is a well respected tradition but DON'T DO IT.
>How the fuck did they get the car stuck there...
>How the fuck did they get the truck stuck there...
>Why is there a fucking patrol boat on a flatbed... WE DON'T HAVE A RIVER. OR A LAKE. WHY?
>Proceed to look at giggling retards mounting the patrol boat. While its still on said fladbed.
>Sigh with exasperation and pretend not to notice because attacking a position in a fucking land-boat sounds completely fucking bonkers. The chewing down will pass, but the memories will stay.
>Sometimes I can't force myself to shut down all the fun.

>>64109475
We cornered one once, they sealed up the door and after several attempts at ordering pizza on the rear phone they stopped answering.
So we tossed purple smoke up under the drivers emergency hatch.

A very angry purple officer appeared within moments.

We had to scrub out all the smoke damage.

I just want to say this thread is beating the shit out of everything else on /k/ and restoring my faith that this place isn't 100% basement dwellers

>>64105716
>>64105730

>Be me. Member of the Circle Trigon party trying to liberate Texas.
>Wonder if you could get civilians to sign up for the "Circle Trigon Auxilia".
>Turns out you can get civilians to sign up for the "Circle Trigon Auxilia" fairly easily.
>Get yelled at a lot for using the "Circle Trigon Auxilia" as an infiltration force.
>No longer allowed to recruit civilians to the "Circle Trigon Auxilia"
>Wonder if any of the high school students are interested in joining the "Circle Trigon Youth".

>>64109512
>Be the designated party-pooper
WAAAH WAAAH I'M GONNA GO HOME AND TELL MY MUMMY ON YOU

>>64109835
I've been on /k/ as long as it's been on 4chan and funny military story threads have always been some of the best content on this whole godforsaken website. Always makes me sad I didn't go in when I got an offer way back in early GWOT, I probably would've wound up with some great warrant officer and helicopter memes.

>>64097987
why would you ask for a gundam? you know panzerfags are into zakus right???

>>64110229
he's the panzerfag, he loves the Panzer IV G, and drew that because that's his go-to tank
the Gundam is the Ez8 from 8th MS Team, because it was my first and only Gundam at the time
the irony only just occurred to me, heh

>>64109835
I tried on the 2nd half of the war is hell thread ;(

>>64106342
Yeah but all the Nubian ladies in those two countries would be covered head to toe in sheets, and they would be “engaged in long term employment”

>>64097327 (OP)
I wish I could get one of these personnel carriers and make a little house in it.

I think that'd be nice

>>64110331
Live your dream anon. LMTV-RV was a more feasible project for myself at present, but even armored vehicles with little popular recognition/demand like an OT-64 remain relatively affordable despite what the past few years have done to the overall supply/demand equation.

>>64110531
Okay guys, now THIS is epic
I don't usually visit /k/, but do you post updates here?

>>64110551
ATV accident disrupted my finances, but I do plan to once I've made progress worth creating a thread for. /k/ommandos get up to epic things now and again, WA-2000 anon was the most recent I recall. Nor am I wholly unique, I remember an old thread or two with anons posting similarly impressive hardware.

>>64110665
>ATV accident disrupted my finances
I feel that (motorcycle accident) has me rebuilding part of my bike and missing some work.
If I miss the thread I'll find it in the archives some time. I love finding anon project bros.

>>64110331
Not really /k/ but I always thought it'd be cool as fuck to haul a decommissioned one of those giant mining dump trucks to a piece of land into a house. Between the dump bed and the former engine compartment you could have a whole-ass two story apartment and imagine chilling up on the deck by the driver cab watching the sun set with a beer.

>>64110750
We could've written a wayyyy cooler scripter for Mortal Engines.

>Work in Operations Group at the National Training Center
>see retard RTU fail to execute the most basic shit every rotation (TLPs, product dissemination, rehearsals, an actual pace plan)
>Blackhorse also cheats
>RTU thinks Blackhorse cheating is the reason they're getting their shit kicked in and not because they have 0 SA on what's going on around them, dogshit security, no sense of urgency, and a plan that keeps changing as they're executing it

It's all so tiresome. Please bring your A game here.

>>64110741
Aye, threads like this are the gems that still keep me hanging around.

>>64110803
I remember hearing about an infantry platoon at NTC tasked with taking a hill and establishing an overwatch position. Lt got some deeply embedded idea to bring along an M2 because it would be awesome to set up on top of the hill. M2 disassembled and split between multiple guys along with ammo, weighing them down like fuck. Platoon tries to take the steep ass hill from the OPFOR and fails with high casualties, in no small part because of this stupid .50 cal idea. Platoon gets reset and told to try again the next day. They bring the fucking M2 AGAIN with exact same results. Finally somebody tells the Lt to drop his retarded idea.

>>64110741
What bike? Just got a KLX300 as my first this spring, really having fun with it.

Also those Picquic screwdrivers are based as fuck, shame the one place I know of that reliably carried them in the US (Fry's Electronics) went under a few years ago and they're surprisingly hard to find online. Guessing you're a leaf from the French cans, I guess they're probably easier to find there since they're Canadian.

>>64110840
That doesn't sound like a /terrible/ idea on the face of it, nor is it easy in complex situations to immediately pinpoint every major cause of failure. Ultimately it sounds like that Lt. got an excellent lesson from it and hopefully greater confidence in the orthodox way of taking a hill, exactly the point of such training exercises.

>>64108362
You think other troops dont talk you retard?