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Anonymous No.64117875 >>64117923 >>64117966 >>64117969 >>64118177 >>64118292 >>64118320 >>64118334 >>64118379 >>64118778 >>64119039 >>64119363 >>64119431 >>64119526 >>64119553 >>64119564 >>64120287 >>64124049 >>64124064 >>64129334 >>64129375 >>64129398 >>64129520 >>64129940 >>64130281 >>64133625 >>64133928 >>64133956 >>64134263 >>64135252
Bullpups: for the useless non deployed armies that care about style over substance
Anonymous No.64117923 >>64117937 >>64117939 >>64118342 >>64118963 >>64124039 >>64130047 >>64131503 >>64135393
>>64117875 (OP)
>It's not what the USA does so it's useless and retarded until they USA eventually picks up on it when it magically transforms into genius
Anonymous No.64117937 >>64117950 >>64130047
>>64117923
Yes unironically

Were the US to adopt a bullpup we'd actually see a rifle so thoroughly raped by servicemen in the most funded military on the planet that whatever iteration comes out of the ashes would be a second coming for civilian owners. Bullpups should've been the future of rifles but they were not
Anonymous No.64117939 >>64117958 >>64118201 >>64118966
>>64117923
Lack of US involvement is why the PDW program in NATO failed.
Anonymous No.64117950 >>64117962 >>64118000 >>64118174 >>64118449 >>64118971 >>64135393
>>64117937
Bullpups are right now showing their worth in Ukraine. Seems to be the difference between "this gun is good at sitting on a rifle range shooting targets" and "this gun is good at actually being in a trench shooting Russians".
Anonymous No.64117958 >>64117968 >>64133557
>>64117939
That was because Germany was mad everyone really liked the p90 more than the mp7
Anonymous No.64117962 >>64117967
>>64117950
So bullpups are the new meta in war...... not drones?
Anonymous No.64117963
Normal body weight is for the useless non deployed armies that care about style over substance.
Anonymous No.64117966 >>64117982
>>64117875 (OP)
>posts picture of deployed soldiers holding bullpop
What did he mean by this?
Anonymous No.64117967 >>64117984
>>64117962
That is not an either-or.
Anonymous No.64117968
>>64117958
The better alternative to maintain logistic compatibility was to adopt a shortened AR-15 variant, as boring as that may sound.
Anonymous No.64117969
>>64117875 (OP)
All bullpups made today never got out of the 1980s including Desert Tech. True Velocity was almost there but they realized a closed bolt system would prove too costly and Black Rain only wants SOCOM's money
Anonymous No.64117982 >>64117993
>>64117966
It means the fact French and British forces have been deployed heavily with those weapons is all a lie. Some retard on 4chan said so, so it must be true
Anonymous No.64117984 >>64117987 >>64117992 >>64118001 >>64118299
>>64117967
Based on how that war is bring fought, it sure seems to be, nevermind soldiers in Ukraine got all the guns that nobody wanted donated to them, they didn't choose bullpups, they were the only option.
Anonymous No.64117987
>>64117984
Bullpups are primary designed with tight spaces in mind. Tight spaces like a trench or the back of an APC.
Anonymous No.64117992 >>64118002 >>64119341
>>64117984
They literally built their own bullpup, the Malyuk and I've seen plenty of footage of their SOF using them
Anonymous No.64117993
>>64117982
Oh here I was thinking this was a retarded attempted troll thread, boy was I wrong
Anonymous No.64118000
>>64117950
What a load of shit, most assault rifles in use there are AK-74m versions including modern updates and different kinds of AR-15 variants with ACRs-we-have-at-home sprinkled in
Malyuks, Tavors etc. are used in such small numbers they're irrelevant
Anonymous No.64118001 >>64118014
>>64117984
based retard pol tourist
Anonymous No.64118002 >>64118166
>>64117992
>footage
Did you bring enough for the entire class?
Anonymous No.64118014 >>64118037
>>64118001
They get most kills sitting behind an MG moving down meat waves in a fortified position or using drones. If you have footage of ukies storming trenches with bullpups, you are more than welcome to share it.
Anonymous No.64118037 >>64118048 >>64118058
>>64118014
Dumbass.
The point is that their sof has a native bullpop they’ve been using for like 6 years. Why would I need to find a video of them killing a Russian with it to prove a well known fact to you
Anonymous No.64118048 >>64119532
>>64118037
because he's a s*rb and wants to move his goalpost to the other side of the field
Anonymous No.64118058
>>64118037
Anonymous No.64118166
>>64118002
Not my fault you don't know what you're talking about
Anonymous No.64118174 >>64118215
>>64117950
>Bullpups are right now showing their worth in Ukraine.

shut the fuck up dude. 99% of dudes in ukraine have 74s.
Anonymous No.64118177
>>64117875 (OP)
Bullpups never took off because the AR15 moggs them hard. AR15 cannot bullpup due to the buffer tube.
Anonymous No.64118201 >>64119049
>>64117939
thats why fal and g3 are used all over the world?
Anonymous No.64118210
>the french soldier relies on instinct and tradition for survival
>far from his native soil, he makes the trench his home
Anonymous No.64118215 >>64118286 >>64130004
>>64118174
Is it really 74s? I'm convinced it's a lot more varied on both sides. No way these guys are fielding a proper coy worth it the same kit.
It's probably some abortion of mixed old 7.62 AKMs and 5.45x39 AKs.
Unless they're slapping polymer on random 74s now too I swear I've seen a couple 101s
Anonymous No.64118261 >>64118274
So it looks like there is zero combat footage of bullpups being used in Ukraine
Anonymous No.64118274
>>64118261
I think I saw an AUG once but that was late 2022 when the Australian foreign legion guys "acquired" their old service rifles
Anonymous No.64118286 >>64118290
>>64118215
>Is it really 74s?
Yes, it is mostly 74 for the russian and a mix of 74 and M4 for the ukes. 5.45 is what both sides are primarily using.
Anonymous No.64118288
I just think bullpups are inherently outdated in design and just either need a massive upgrade in design or trashed
Anonymous No.64118290 >>64118308
>>64118286
Interesting. I'll need to keep a closer eye then. I swear I saw some old AKMs being rocked but at a certain resolution all AKs look the same
Anonymous No.64118292 >>64118371 >>64118978
>>64117875 (OP)
How’s that working out for the poor Palestinians?
Anonymous No.64118299 >>64118350
>>64117984
Bro FORT ukraine license builds x95s and tar-21s lmao
Anonymous No.64118308
>>64118290
Anon, there's everything being used. Including sks and mosin. But both sides mostly use the 74.
Anonymous No.64118320
>>64117875 (OP)
>bullpops are neverserved
>post bullpop in hands of second most deployed army on earth
Yeah right it's frog bashing from Russkies again I guess.
Anonymous No.64118332 >>64118337 >>64118363
Bullpups have one massive benefit that is only now being fully realized. They are reasonably sized with a silencer on. Why do you think the NSGW contest had 2 bullpups and an SBR? Because having a silencer was a requirement for the competition and no sane person would ever select a full size rifle with a silencer over a bullpup with one.
Anonymous No.64118334
>>64117875 (OP)
>Bullpups: for the useless non deployed armies that care about style over substance
How many deployments you got OP?
Anonymous No.64118337 >>64118376
>>64118332
>Bullpups have one massive benefit that is only now being fully realized
You're joking right?
Anonymous No.64118342
>>64117923
>It's not what the USA does so it's useless and retarded
This. Unironically.
>until they USA eventually picks up on it when it magically transforms into genius
Can't polish a turd.
Anonymous No.64118350
>>64118299
You can post actual proof of use in combat as people in this thread keep claiming anytime. Spoiler, you won't because there is none.
Anonymous No.64118363 >>64118376 >>64119762
>>64118332
Literally nobody gives a fuck about silencers unless you're SOF. The fact the Canadians are baking silencers into standard issue rifles to replace the C7 is a testament to how corporate retarded R&D is.
Anonymous No.64118364
>french
>non deployed army

Pick one.
Anonymous No.64118371
>>64118292
I can still hear them complaining, so I'd say it's working out too well for them.
Anonymous No.64118376 >>64118407 >>64118420 >>64118448 >>64118508 >>64119993 >>64135522
>>64118337
Reply to my post after you hold a 16" AR with a silencer on it and then hold a 16" bullpup with a silencer on it

>>64118363
>Only SOF cares about silencers
Retarded post. The US Marines and Army have been mass issuing silencers and every western military that isn't poor is trying to get silencers to every soldier they can. Do you understand how many billions silencers will save in disability costs for millions of troops over the years? No, you don't because you've never had a thought in your life that didn't revolve around gooning or watching television.
Anonymous No.64118379 >>64130322
>>64117875 (OP)
I watched an SAS guy say his bullpups bolt got caught on his uniform sleeve and jammed. Pure shit, and a shit design that will get you killed in battle. For obese larpers with no range of motion in their 25" t-rex fatcepts? Probably fine. Not like they'll do more than woddle to the range and shoot half a mag before they gas out and have to get back to their emergency oxygen supply in their tacticool f250 with handicap plates.
Anonymous No.64118407 >>64118505
>>64118376
And what? Feel how dogshit its weight balance is?
Anonymous No.64118420 >>64118745 >>64119029
>>64118376
Neverserved trying to tell me about tinnitus when ear pro is not only common but encouraged and VA is notorious for not paying out claims regardless of disability.
Lmao. Don't worry anon, the big bad unsilenced guns definitely gave me tinnitus, not the bushmasters, helicopters or grenades
Anonymous No.64118448 >>64122914
>>64118376
>Do you understand how many billions silencers will save in disability costs for millions of troops over the years?

That's not the reason my guy. It's to reduce flash signature
Anonymous No.64118449
>>64117950
>Bullpups are right now showing their worth in Ukraine.

can we see the footage?
Anonymous No.64118505
>>64118407
What kind of reality are you living in where having the weight in your shoulder is a negative? You sound like the fags that defended sticking to VHS because "you can't scratch a tape"
Anonymous No.64118508
>>64118376
Im gonna need a source on that bold claim buddy
Anonymous No.64118745 >>64123693 >>64135522
>>64118420
Tinnitus is also curable, but it's dirt cheap so the FDA bans it.
Anonymous No.64118778
>>64117875 (OP)
I do hate bullpups, but I do like they way they look.
Anonymous No.64118963
>>64117923
Fpbp, eurosissies on suicide watch
Anonymous No.64118966 >>64118993 >>64129392
>>64117939
It failed because the concept is absolutely fucking retarded, 100 years old tube SMGs mog plastic globohomo spicy 22
Anonymous No.64118971
>>64117950
>the country that will use literally whatever they can get their hands on are using bullpups
Yes? And?
Anonymous No.64118978 >>64119040
>>64118292
cant defeat cavemen award o algo
Anonymous No.64118993 >>64120268
>>64118966
>Globohomo spicy .22
>5.56 NATO

I don’t know why that description made me laugh so hard but it did.
Anonymous No.64119029
>>64118420
Is never served supposed to be an insult? I'm glad I went to college and got a good job with my knees and back in perfect health and not getting yelled at all day every day while Jody takes my girl to pound town lmao.
Anonymous No.64119039
>>64117875 (OP)
>style
it looks like shit
Anonymous No.64119040
>>64118978
>o algo
You have to go back.
Anonymous No.64119049
>>64118201
FAL and G3 are not from the PDW program
Anonymous No.64119341
>>64117992
In the early war sure, and a few Fort rifles too but I haven't seen any in a long ass time
Anonymous No.64119363 >>64119376
>>64117875 (OP)
Full barrel length out of a short package seems like a pretty damn good deal to me. Maybe SFags want a billion modules that only the AR can provide, but the bullpup pattern is the infantryman's rifle. Trenches, buildings, transport interiors, plenty of places a regular soldier will go into that a lengthier rifle would be clumsier in.
Sure, you COULD do what the yanks did and just cut some inches off your barrel, but now your range is fucked and you're getting plinked at by some fag in the hills and some cunt in procurement now wants a goddamn 6mm to make up for their self-made range issues.
Anonymous No.64119376 >>64135289
>>64119363
You can make up for any deficiency in ballistics with modern ammunition. Bullpups are better for thirdoids that can only afford M193.
Anonymous No.64119382
>20" barrels in rifles shorter than the M4 carbine with a 14.5" barrel
>non-deployed
Do tell us about all the conflicts the US has been involved in recently where they were all on their own.
Anonymous No.64119390 >>64119606
/k/ can't explain why bullpups are bad without using buzzwords
Anonymous No.64119417 >>64119436
I've never shot a bullpup that had a trigger that felt good
that being said, some bullpup rifle in the future will have a mechanical ar15 ish trigger for "feel" that justs activates a solenoid or something on the bolt carrier to striker fire the round or drop the actual hammer of the fcg
the gun will feel fine to shoot but spergs will bitch about it needing batteries
Anonymous No.64119431 >>64119570
>>64117875 (OP)
The substance is clearing buildings. You have no training.
Anonymous No.64119436 >>64119450
>>64119417
>trigger feel

No training. That doesn't fucking matter, these are machines made to kill people and you're worried your finger might feel a bit "mushy" when you want it to feel "crisp." That doesn't matter anywhere but on a comfortable air conditioned range. It's a big nothing to bicker about to make it seem like you know everything about guns. To the real ones you look stupid every time you bring that up.
Anonymous No.64119450 >>64119482 >>64119712 >>64119785
>>64119436
nigger, I was killing people in ramadi twenty fucking years ago with a beat to shit m16 and I can tell you have personally never fired a rifle in anger because if you had, you'd know that a squishy trigger when you need to be on the teigger is like a squishy brake pedal when you need your car to stop moving
Anonymous No.64119482 >>64119490
>>64119450
Lmao, military retard with shit training acting like hot shit
Anonymous No.64119490 >>64119712
>>64119482
concession accepted, niggerfaggot
Anonymous No.64119521
Yes the trigger feel more weird but famas is an old gun, but clearly the weight at the back of the gun make all the difference when shooting, running, walking with the gun up... Way better in combat, add way more mobility.
Anonymous No.64119526
>>64117875 (OP)
>for the useless non deployed armies
>posts the French, who are notable for being constantly deployed all over the Middle East and Africa for the last 3 decades
What did he mean by this?
Anonymous No.64119532 >>64119541
>>64118048
>s*rb
rent-free, faggot
Anonymous No.64119541 >>64119550
>>64119532
Sorry for misgendering you, cockgobbler
Anonymous No.64119550 >>64119567
>>64119541
thanks for proving my point
Anonymous No.64119553
>>64117875 (OP)
>Brits and Aussies both deploy is every war the US has
>France sees more active combat than the US by remaining a colonial power in Africa
This should have been a frog post so we all knew you are retarded without needing to read what kind of retarded.
Anonymous No.64119564
>>64117875 (OP)
>france
>non deployed army
go away retard
Anonymous No.64119567 >>64119578
>>64119550
Don't you have more important things to do?
Anonymous No.64119570 >>64135293
>>64119431
You can clear buildings with a conventional SBR.
Anonymous No.64119578 >>64119908
>>64119567
Proving my point again? Thanks, fag.
Anonymous No.64119606 >>64119628 >>64119641
>>64119390
>gets btfo'd
>n-nuh uh! You used LE BUZZWORD!
Anonymous No.64119628
>>64119606
Prove him wrong using words that aren't cycled through a decade's worth of election tourism.
Anonymous No.64119641
>>64119606
Thanks for proving his point with a fucking basedjack. Now if you could articulate any good reason why bullpups are just objectively worse than conventional I'm all ears. If you say something about bracing against cover or poor balance I'm going to hunt you down and rape you
Anonymous No.64119712
>>64119450
>>64119490
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
Anonymous No.64119744 >>64119777
Bullpup pcc when???
Anonymous No.64119762
>>64118363
Suppressors are life and death in a world where every firefight involves a drone with a shot tracking microphone hovering overhead
Anonymous No.64119777
>>64119744
Steyr is making new MP88s, IIRC there was a 9mm conversion for the X95, and there's always the high tower MBS for Hi-points if you're cheap. Really though bullpups don't benefit pistol calibers since 9mm starts to experience bullet drag after 12" or so, 8-10" is optimal which is just peachy for an SBR but potentially hazardous to your fingers in a bullpup
Anonymous No.64119785
>>64119450
based if true
thank (You) for your service
Anonymous No.64119908 >>64119983
>>64119578
That you are a cum loving faggot? You're god damn right
Anonymous No.64119983 >>64120324
>>64119908
Next you'll use the "N" word
Anonymous No.64119993 >>64122914
>>64118376
>thinks army is issuing suppressors to cover it's ass on hearing loss claims
>calls other anon retarded
alright anon, have a seat, you've posted enough today
Anonymous No.64120268
>>64118993
He's referring to 5.7.
Anonymous No.64120287
>>64117875 (OP)
they are great seated in a vehicle though
Anonymous No.64120324 >>64120429
>>64119983
There's no N in Serbia
Anonymous No.64120429
>>64120324
serbs are black
Anonymous No.64122914
>>64118448
>>64119993
So you assume I don't know the absolute most obvious reason in the world silencers are used because I point out a less obvious more nuanced reason they are being issued? Good job.
Anonymous No.64123693
>>64118745
No it isn't
Anonymous No.64124021 >>64124716
Is having a permanent civil war in your country considered being "in deployment" by the American weekend warriors?
Anonymous No.64124039
>>64117923
This basically, but also with the caveat that all the heckling would be memory-holed and denied by /k/.
Anonymous No.64124049
>>64117875 (OP)
Idg why australia still uses AUSTEYRs.. they are so bad. every operator in GWOT got their hands on an M4 or an AR-15 as soon as they could. Although they are real cheap.
Anonymous No.64124064
>>64117875 (OP)
>useless non deployed armies
explain Operation Serval
Anonymous No.64124716 >>64133411
>>64124021
>Used to use the M70
>uses the VHS
>uses the M&P
Was I secretly Iraqi all along or was I subliminally bombarding their minds with my taste, forcing them to adopt guns I like?
Anonymous No.64126367 >>64128171
I have a soft spot for bullpups. As a kid growing up in the 90's, I thought they were so cool and futuristic looking. This was around the time the army was working on the land warrior program and other Euro countries were doing their own version of it. Again, its tied with my childhood and helped me get into guns. Its a dream of mine to own a famas and L85.
Anonymous No.64127798
famas bump
Anonymous No.64128171 >>64129893 >>64129937 >>64130282
>>64126367
What's the logic behind using "," as a decimal point as opposed to the more common "."? Is it like the British pronunciation of aluminum? Clearly done just to be different from America?
Anonymous No.64129334
>>64117875 (OP)
Holy asshurt, you could have started an interesting thread and posted this instead. I hope professional help and/or a tire iron lie in your future.
Anonymous No.64129375
>>64117875 (OP)
>non deployed armies that care about style over substance
But the FAMAS saw plenty of action. Also it was adopted in 1978 so the frogs were planning to fight WW3 with it. You could've at least posted some actual meme bullpup.
Anonymous No.64129392
>>64118966
Troon
Anonymous No.64129398
>>64117875 (OP)
Holy kek whats the HOB measurement on these? What a nightmare
Anonymous No.64129520
>>64117875 (OP)
That's a picture of a bullpup on deployment.
Anonymous No.64129893 >>64129935 >>64129966 >>64133557
>>64128171
>just to be different from America
America deliberately made changes so they'd be different anon. Damn near within living memory too, you fucking zoomer mutt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Spelling_Board
Anonymous No.64129935
>>64129893
>Damn near within living memory
>over a century ago
Yeah if you're a tortoise
Anonymous No.64129937 >>64129969 >>64129990 >>64130003 >>64130070 >>64133936
>>64128171
>Is it like the British pronunciation of aluminum?
why don't americans pronounce cadmium, rhodium, sodium, etc... like they do aluminium?
Anonymous No.64129940
>>64117875 (OP)
bullpups are so comfy I don't understand how people c-clamp
Anonymous No.64129966 >>64130003
>>64129893
>operated less than twenty years
Great example buddy, nice effort, also a deflection from the question and ignoring the outstanding example aluminum. Aluminum was discovered by an English scientist who pronounced it the correct way. Later the British government decided to change the pronunciation and spelling to make it more "English". It makes sense they'd do the same thing with decimals. Not that your strawman constructing ass would ever admit that if it were the case.
Anonymous No.64129969
>>64129937
Because why do we need an extra "ni" sound slapped in? Why do we need a vestigial "u" in colour when it doesn't do anything to affect the pronunciation? It's like that retarded triangle hat accent the French have that does nothing to the pronunciation of a word
Anonymous No.64129990 >>64131527
>>64129937
i looked it up apparently americans used to use aluminium only as did most of the world except for germany and the british who both used aluminum but then they both adopted aluminium like the rest of the world (except for some brits who 'patriotically' stuck with aluminum refusing to use the foreign non british spelling of aluminium)
but for some reason when webster wrote his dictionary of american english he used the old british spelling aluminum rather than aluminium that was used by americans up to that point

tl;dr aluminum is actually an old british spelling and americans used to only use aluminium but some guy writing a dictionary used the old british spelling for some reason
Anonymous No.64130003
>>64129937
Funniest thing is both spellings are British.

>>64129966
>Great example buddy
It's still going, there was just a limit to the retardation the public would accept. Not any more, though.
Anonymous No.64130004
>>64118215
>mixed old 7.62 AKMs
lol no
you can find one or two here and there, just like mosins

there is a notable but small amount of more modern 5.45 guns than the 74 on the russian side
ukies mostly have 74 or various 5.56 nato guns


the finns are the only serious military to still use 7.62x39 for assault rifles
Anonymous No.64130047
>>64117923
>>64117937
>*blocks your path*
This one tube singlehandedly prevented the bullpup from completely dominating modern rifle design. This one tube created the abomination that is the short barreled AR.

How does it make you feel?
Anonymous No.64130070 >>64130100
>>64129937
Why don't bongs pronounce lanthanum, molybdenum, platinum, and tantalum like they do "aluminium"?
Anonymous No.64130100 >>64130139
>>64130070
Because that would be as against the naming conventions as "aluminum" is.
Anonymous No.64130111 >>64130127 >>64130153 >>64135370
One we stop being gay and actually develop electronic triggers bullpups are the obvious choice for their advantages.
>muh reliability
Tanks use electronic triggers. Fighter jets use electronic triggers. The fuck out of here with more R&D it isn't achievable in hand held configurations.
Anonymous No.64130127 >>64135594
>>64130111
There's no inherent reason a bullpup trigger should be bad on the combat rifle scale of things, there's no reason to give a combat rifle a competition trigger and plenty of reasons not to.
Anonymous No.64130139 >>64130157
>>64130100
no it wouldn't retard
Anonymous No.64130153 >>64135594
>>64130111
Tanks and fighter jets have maintenance crews and are ideally used by the non crayon eaters in your military
Anonymous No.64130157
>>64130139
Yes it would.
Anonymous No.64130215 >>64130286
If I'm considering a bullpup, which should I choose between the AUG and the VHS2?
Anonymous No.64130223 >>64130287 >>64130290 >>64131522 >>64135381
I don’t get it. A longer barrel in a shorter package should be a winning combination. Why isn’t it?
Anonymous No.64130281 >>64133519
>>64117875 (OP)
In the 70's and 80's when every army was slowly becoming completely either mechanized, airmobile or airborne, bullpups made sense.

Interestingly, the Soviets who always had a hard-on for desantniks never went with them.
Anonymous No.64130282
>>64128171
>Clearly done just to be different from America?
Least self-important american
Use of both comma and point for decimal separation is older than the american nation, as is the crystallization of the comma in continental europe and the point in britain. Americans adopted it from there.
Anonymous No.64130286 >>64130302 >>64133411 >>64133610
>>64130215
AUG has a lot more upgrades available and simply looks cooler stock but most of the trigger improvements make it unsafe. Furthermore the gas system makes shooting with NV annoying and you need to buy a separate part to shoot it suppressed. If you want a better gun to shoot at night or suppressed the VHS is the way to go, plus it looks cooler with all the tactical accouterments though the trigger is bad even by bullpup standards and there's not available to improve it. If you want an AUG though, waffle mag version is objectively better in every way
Anonymous No.64130287
>>64130223
Because the AR has 60 years of development and momentum behind it. That’s it.
Anonymous No.64130290
>>64130223
It I'd, people are just trying to copy the military whenever possible.
Anonymous No.64130302
>>64130286
Cool, thanks for the info.
Anonymous No.64130309 >>64130314
Jews use bullpups
Anonymous No.64130314
>>64130309
That means it’s the good shit.
Anonymous No.64130322
>>64118379
Anecdotal and retarded. The famas for example has the bolt at the top. Otherwise non reciprocating bolts have been the name of the game for decades a-la x95 and aug and mdr
Anonymous No.64131503 >>64131787 >>64132173 >>64135390
>>64117923
Money literally buys you everything.
Including rigorous testing and the ability to change production lines to account for necessary modifications.
Its not a coincidence that the Mauser 98 and the M16 individually came from nations with the best funded militaries of their eras.
No nation spends as much on its military as the US, therefore no nation is going to have as good of gear as the US. And what gear the US chooses is going to be tested extensively, because they're willing to spend money doing so.
Anonymous No.64131522 >>64131534 >>64135390
>>64130223
Barrel length doesn't matter.
Whether your rifle has 300 or 500 yards of effective range is irrelevant because most of your shooting is going to be within 200 yards and anything past that is for mortars, artillery, or rifle caliber designated marksmen.
Anonymous No.64131527
>>64129990
A lot of American misspellings and mispronunciations are Webster's fault.
Anonymous No.64131534 >>64131625
>>64131522
>Barrel length doesn't matter.
is that why AR fags invented a "new" cartridge so they could run the 7-8" barrels necessary to make an AR useable in cqc?
Anonymous No.64131625
>>64131534
.300 BLK was created for subsonic silenced shooting first, and everything else secondary.
Anonymous No.64131787
>>64131503
Such a the M18 handgun.
Anonymous No.64132173
>>64131503
Anon please. Milspec means lowest bidder.
Anonymous No.64133411 >>64133453
>>64124716
>>64130286
I want a 20" Hellion so bad but I've been holding out for someone to sell a firing pin or literally any spare part.
Anonymous No.64133453
>>64133411
If it's any consolation, I'm about 3k and 1k suppressed in on this gun and nothing has broken yet so replacement parts aren't super necessary. Still I feel you, would be nice to have a spare bolt just in case. What I'd really love is if HS Produkt or someone over here could sell the carry handle optic. I know it's not super good but man it looks cool
Anonymous No.64133519
>>64130281
They had a bullpup prototype in the 50s already but iirc it never entered production because the Soviets army thought it was too complicated.
Then when all those western bullpups started popping up in the late 70s to mid 80s the USSR was in no shape develop and adopt a brand new rife. I believe Russia and Ukraine tried their luck at bullpup AKs in the 90s though.
Anonymous No.64133557 >>64133579
>>64117958
>>64129893
>Carnegie was convinced that "English might be made the world language of the future" and an influence leading to universal peace, but that this role was obstructed by its "contradictory and difficult spelling"

He was truth, English a is. And it is god, praise Amerikan States of USA!
Anonymous No.64133579
>>64133557
I mean, it's functionally the global lingua franca for most nations so perhaps Carnegie wasn't too far off the mark
Anonymous No.64133610 >>64135377
>>64130286
Steyr recently upgraded the NATO model to include BHO and offer a retroactive parts kit for older NATO models iirc
Anonymous No.64133625 >>64133833
>>64117875 (OP)
The benefits of the layout become much more apparent for 7.62Γ—51mm battle rifles, IMO. That's where the change in center of mass really starts becoming real nice to have.
Anonymous No.64133833
>>64133625
Are there any good 308 bullpups? I've heard the Tavor 7 is aight. The MDR/WLVRN apparently still have issues but I have no personal experience
Anonymous No.64133857 >>64135429
France has arguably deployed more than America.
Captcha: 4KKKK
Anonymous No.64133928
>>64117875 (OP)
>Bullpups: for the useless non deployed armies that care about style over substance
Bitch please, pic related composted a ton of zubhumans
Anonymous No.64133936
>>64129937
Better ask why they call things sodium and potassium when it's actually Natrium and Kalium
Anonymous No.64133956 >>64134099
>>64117875 (OP)
>French pre-416F
>non deployed
The FAMAS has seen plenty of combat
Anonymous No.64134099 >>64134166
>>64133956
Anonymous No.64134166
>>64134099
Pretty fishy
Anonymous No.64134176
the fg42 is a bullpup
Anonymous No.64134263
>>64117875 (OP)
Why not both?
Anonymous No.64135252
>>64117875 (OP)
ARs: when you want slopguns for goyims

Bullpups won, conventioniggers refuse to consneed
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25029894/
Anonymous No.64135289
>>64119376
Why not use that ammo in a bullpup then? Never settle for less
Anonymous No.64135293
>>64119570
You can use a bullpup and get better performance too.
Anonymous No.64135370 >>64135594
>>64130111
You don't need electronic triggers to have a good bullpup trigger, just design it to be good. Look at:
>RDB
>Tavor with drop in trigger pack
>M17
>DesertTec bullpups

You have conventional rifles with bad triggers but they didn't need e-triggers either.
Anonymous No.64135377
>>64133610
I thought NATO AUGs would have cracking in the stocks?
Anonymous No.64135381
>>64130223
Institutional inertia. It may be better but not enough to switch off what you already have. Which is why people should not make decisions on what gun to buy based on what other organizations choose. What compels a military to pick a gun doesn't always apply to individuals.
Anonymous No.64135390 >>64135497
>>64131522
Cope, US troops with 14.5" M4s complained of clean penetrations and little kills. Because 5.56 was designed for 20" barrels instead and loses its fragmentation killing effect from shorter barrels. Besides who says you can't use heavy weapons alongside better guns?

>>64131503
You guys chose the Sig Spear, you have no leg to stand on
Anonymous No.64135393 >>64135441
>>64117923
Yes, bullpups shat the bed so horrendously that it caused euro game makers to have to craw back to the AR platform
>>64117950
Ukrainians have HK's and Daniel's you retard
Anonymous No.64135429
>>64133857
I think France has fought the most battles of all countries in the world. People call them surrender monkeys but you can't win them all.
Anonymous No.64135441 >>64135967
>>64135393
Ukes have literally just about every fucking gun under the sun
Anonymous No.64135497
>>64135390
The Bradley turned out to be great vehicle, that scene was retarded.
Anonymous No.64135522
>>64118376
The Army isn't even tangentially related to the pool of money that pays out for tinnitus you subhuman retard lmfao
>>64118745
Stop falling for bullshit
Anonymous No.64135594
>>64130127
Inherently having more and larger parts creates more friction points that *should* result in a bullpup trigger of similar engineering prowess to be inferior to a standard configuration. Increasing engineering would decrease the delta between the two. And I emphatically disagree that combat rifles need bad triggers because conscripts. You can have heavy triggers that feel good (if you still feel the need to not have low weight triggers), and that can easily be replicated in an electronic trigger.

>>64130153
So do small arms. Your maintenance footprint would be changing a battery and ensuring a copper wire is properly insulated with soldering still intact. Being that we're moving towards aim bot vortex optics for mass integration that would be a much higher maintenance and training bar. This is incredibly basic skills that even a bag warming army chef can accomplish. The largest argument against would be artic conditions which would royally fuck up battery life and require a higher standard of condensation management.

>>64135370
This is fair. But I want one. We had the chance to completely innovate ammunition and firearms and instead of progressing we're iterating. The fact that there is so much untapped potential from adjustable fire rate, trigger pull, remote operation, ammunition designation etc was squandered is very disappointing.
Anonymous No.64135884
bullpups seemed perfect for afghanistan and even most african conflicts
Anonymous No.64135967
>>64135441
>they are keeping the war going on because they know if it ends the inflated milsurp market is over