Thread 64132556

which is better in /k/'s experience?
i'd like to know from people who've shot/owned both guns

>>64132556 (OP)
The S&W is much nicer if you can afford it

>>64132556 (OP)
SW is too heavy, sub2k is a sub2k. Get a 9mm AR

>>64132617
weight isn't an issue at all to me, i'm not gonna be carrying it a ton

I have an fpc, my buddy has a sub 2k. Side by side the fpc is better.

>>64132556 (OP)
I don't know much about the current production run, but I remember that when the Gen 2 SUB2000 first came out, the front sight would fall off if you shot it too much. The S&W was created only to have the common sense of not having to remove the red dot every time you want to fold the gun.

>>64133546
>I don't know much about the current production run
Believe it or not, still janky af

Ive been thinking about the fpc. I want a small compact pcc without having to deal with sbr shit

Wuts the threading on the sub2k barrels

>>64135532
9mm is 1/2"-28; 5.7 is probably the same
.40 9/16"-24; i assume 10mm is the same too

>>64132556 (OP)
I've handled both but only own the s2k. For what it is it is the best PCC of its type imo.
>cheapest
>lightest
>most compact
>the gen 2 multimag is able to take whatever kind of mags you can find
However
>shoots like ass
>handles like ass
>no lrbho is annoying to train to
>will bite your chin unless you get an optic that sits up high enough

Pic is not my gat but its fun y

I have both, SW is heavier but more sturdy, sub200 has more recoil but lighter....neither have had a single malfuction after 1500 rounds.

I got a buffer tube sleeve, charging handle sleeve, and recoil absorber plug all from mcarbo for my sub2000 which halves the recoil and I now keep that in my backpack....if it gets stolen who cares since even with mods its sub 450 in price.

>>64132556 (OP)
I think the FPC is just objectively superior. I'm interested in getting an S&W because it's mag compatible with my Shield. Also the Sub2000 doesn't fold if you have an optic, or at least one of the models can't do that. I've only fired that one and it's cheaper, but you know, I'd go with the FPC.

>>64135918
Is the handguard plastic on the SW?

S2k stows better and thats the whole fucking point. Not sure why manufacturers have all forgotten that.

>>64138205
Because everyone complained about the folding mechanism for like 10 years

>>64132556 (OP)
>Pistol caliber
>Longass 16in barrel
>Straight blowback potmetal garbage
11.5 PSA mogs both

>>64140602
>Pistol caliber
yes, thats the point
they make perfect ranch guns, for when you don't need a intermediate caliber, yet a standard pistol doesn't cut it
t. had to smoke a dog, 5.56 would have been overkill & way too loud for my area
>Longass 16in barrel
lmao gotta barrelet over here, point and laugh at his tiny barrel!
(you could have mentioned that the effective barrel length of 9mm is 9 inches, but you didn't...)
>Straight blowback
reliable & simple, if you can't handle it, thats your problem
>potmetal garbage
which one? because both have great metal, while the original sub2k's had issues with the polymer
>11.5 PSA mogs both
so do you have one right now, anon?
post a picture of it, anon! you love posting about it in other threads, go ahead!
we'd love to see what you have mounted on it

(thanks for the bump)

>>64132556 (OP)

If you want one that can do anything as a SHTF go for the 10mm FPC. 10mm will even kill a bear. However, that is assuming you have your own supply of 10mm, it's not common, you won't find any laying around.

If you want something that you'll find the most ammo possibly do the FPC 9mm. Less powerful than the 10mm (10mm is MUCH more powerful than 9mm despite sounding almost the same, 9v10, just look up some vids on it) Less powerful, but you'll find more ammo

If you want something to have the easiest to find ammo, and are worried about mags go with the sub2000. It takes glock mags so many random guns you find you can just throw the magazine into the sub2000. The FPC while it feels better to shoot will be harder to find extra magazines for.

also side note, but as long as you get a gen3 sub2000 they're actually pretty decent, though not quite the quality of the FPC. I would not get a gen2, they have lots of issues. They did pretty good with the new model though I admit even though I am partial to S&W generally.

>>64140649
>5.56 would have been overkill & way too loud for my area
Use a suppressor retard

>>64140656
>>64140649

Funfacts for people who don't know yet:

Trump's "big beautiful bill" tried to completely remove the NFA but failed. However, it did keep one thing. Starting Jan 1, 2026 there is no longer any fee to get the tax stamp. SBRs, silencers, etc... All free as long as you can pass the paperwork portion starting Jan 1 next year.

>>64140654
i got a M&P carry in 9mm, so mag compatibility is preferred
i do however have a 10mm glock too, so the new 10mm sub2k still fits though
i'm not looking for a shtf type gun however, i've already got a cz scorpion but its only a 4" barrel, and i just want something with a long barrel to kill the sound a bit
>>64140656
i'm still waiting on it, right now i'd rather buy optics than a whisper pickle i'd rarely use
thats also besides the fact that 5.56 out a suppressor is loud as fuck, especially out a short barrel
they keep fucking coming out with new shit too, so its like "do i get this? do i get that? direct thread? but this new hub? what the fuck?"

>>64140685

If you aren't buying it for a SHTF your usecase is going to be the biggest factor in what you want it for. Why do you want it?

>>64140697
just as a good plinker/ranch gun that has a barrel longer than a pistol, not much else to it
not everything needs to be a "super duper tactical ultra spec device" deal, and these two fit the bill best of what i'd prefer

>the folding barrels make it very easy to clean & sight
>the cartridges are cheap & combined with length - not overly loud
>i have magazines for both already
simple as

>>64140721

From your specifications it sounds like you are deciding between:

FPC 9mm which you have mag compatibility with

Sub2000 10mm which you have mag compatibility with.


You mentioned plinking. The 10mm is going to be significantly more expensive to plink with. Quick ammoseek shows ~19.9 cents per round vs ~35.8 cents a round (for well known reliable companies)

As long as you get a gen3 sub2000 it will be reliable, although from what people say the FPC still "feels" better and higher quality. If a 9mm can handle the things you need this gun for I'd go for the FPC. If you might need to put down bigger threats and are more comfortable with a 10mm instead I'd go with the sub2000 (gen3!)

>>64140745
thanks
i think i'm gonna go with the FPC, it seems best for me (i can also get it in OD green, which just seems fun to me too)

>>64140602
>>64140656
>The noguns has an opinion on PCCs and its retarded
Say it ain't so

>>64141622
>PCC
>Gun
>He doesn't know they made >>>/toy/ because that's where PCCs belong

>>64141626
How would you know? You've never shot one

>>64141631
yeah because im not gay

>>64141644
We'll see about that

>>64132617
>a 9mm AR
Those things produce more specific impulse than a rocket, my dude. Never get a 9mm AR.

>>64141676
I have one that takes glonk mags and its pretty great besides no lrbho

>>64140602
based 11.5 PSA bro.

>>64141683
>no lrbho
That's such a nonissue. Just rack the charging handle. But seriously, I keep hearing that they kick like mules. You're the first guy I've heard say otherwise.

>>64141644
You're extremely homosexual for shilling PSA garbage.

>>64141722
everything they make that isn't a regular AR is slop doebeit, theyre regular ARs a fine doe

>>64141729
Woah woah woah. The PSA dagger is a fine pistol. And lets not forget the JAKL. Soon, PSA will release a cheap bullpup and 50cal, as well.

>>64141729
No their regular ARs are slop amd you don't own any guns, dumb frogposter

>>64141744
Everyone's first gun should be a beater AR15. Some cheap, prebuilt AR that you can get to grips with, see what you want in a gun, and help you plan your first real AR15 build.

>>64141717
Maybe its because my go to PCC is a .40SW S2K that by comparison my AR9 feels like a .22lr.

>>64141749
This isnt a first AR/gun thread retard.

>>64141729
>frogtard owns one gun and based his entire personality on it

>>64141754
Well the conversation didn't start there, Anon.

>>64141751
Maybe you're just a big guy and recoil doesn't matter as much for you.

>>64141755
but I own 2 guns though, an 11.5 PSA AR and a gen 3 glock 19

>>64132556 (OP)
They're both what they are. If you're not constantly flitting over state lines, wildcard option:
https://extarusa.com/ep9/

>>64140758
Surprise last minute recommendation:

Gen 3 S2K in 5.7 if you want the most fun

>>64132556 (OP)
Am I the only one who thinks the FPC bears a resemblance to the MG-42 with that curve on top of the receiver?

>>64141772
How many rounds through that PSA?

>>64141798
I wonder if the 5.7mm gets optimised by the 16" barrel.

>>64132556 (OP)
Isn't there something about the 2K like you can't fold it properly if you've got an optic on it?

>>64142052
Just get a swivel mount

>>64141905
sure why not

>>64142045
5.7mm is optimized for 10.5 inches, the barrel length of the P90. It gains minimal velocity after this point.

>>64140649
>ranch guns

post ranch

>>64142285
Here.

>>64142005
bout tree fiddy

>>64141798

Bonus suggestion if you're thinking of 5.7:

st50 with a folding stock. S&T also said they're working on an FRT trigger mod for it

>>64142421
So you don't own guns? Oh.

>>64142271
Go check BBTI.

>>64133546
The gen 3 sub 2000s have a rotating barrel so the optics don’t get in the way of folding. You know, the one in OP’s photo.
>>64132556 (OP)
Get the sub-2000 because it folds up smaller and is lighter which is the whole point. Importantly the sub-2000 also takes glock mags so you can get cheap reliable 33 round stick mags or drums if you want them and not some gay 23 round mag that you’ll never be able to find. Unless you have a S&W pistol that shares mags with the FPC the Sub-2000 is better.

>>64142449
Do you?

>>64140602
11.5” PSA and the 16” sub-2000 are going to be the same length because of where the chamber is located, you retard. The balance point of the sub-2000 is much better too.

>>64143086
Yes.

>>64143098
>11.5 is longer than 16
Retard
>>64143105
No you dont

>>64143110
Yes I do. Dumb frogposter.

>>64143112
nta
why don't you post one then? lol

>>64141770
>Maybe you're just a big guy
For you.

>>64143079
>been shooting a .40sw S2K since the gen 2s hit the market
>decide to swap over to 9mm finally earlier this year
>buy a Beretta XI specifically because the "new and improved" S2K is supposed to drop soon and the gen 2 has a version that takes beretta mags
>the new gen 3 S2Ks come out and it fixes all of my gripes about the Gen 2s
>except they have no multimag option this time only glock versions

I will never forgive Keltec for that time they let everyone know that they discontinued the only version of the gun that I would have been interested in buying and I didn't pay attention.
Luckily you can get the Ruger PC9 and an adapter for beretta mags so it's not all bad

>>64143116
Why doesnt he post the PSA he talks about nonstop in multiple threads?

>>64143122
because hes baiting, anon

>>64143124
Wow really? No way!

>>64141749
>>64141744
>you need to build a REAL AR because you didn’t spend enough the first time!
You’re just a shitty shot. Getting a more expensive AR isn’t going to overcome that.

>>64143129
Post your shitrod already of keep coping.

>>64143124
Because he doesnt have one and wants to derail the thread which he accomplished

>>64143110
In the sub-2000 the chamber is right over the trigger, in the AR it’s 5 or 6 inches in front of that, you worthless retard. The Sub-2000 is a slightly shorter gun despite the longer barrel.

>>64143122
see pickerel
>>64143124
no im not
>>64143140
but i have one doe
>>64143146
you cant into math

>>64143138
cope. Learn to shoot. It’s a poor man who blames his tools.

>>64143151
Wheres the one you own? You're just advertising at this point.

>>64143140
threads already solved on my end, i'm gonna get the FPC, just meets my criteria the best is all
if people wanna argue it out, thats fine with me, its funny too

>>64143152
You ever try shooting your gun? I know you could only afford the 150 count pack of ammo when you picked up your PSA but you need to shoot more.

>>64143151
If you’re going to go compact then go compact. Why the half measure? Is the extra 3” of barrel really too heavy for your noodle arms?

>>64143151
quit impersonating me I don't own that one

>>64132556 (OP)
>globohomo wall street garbage
>or potmetal plastic slop
how about buying a real fucking gun?

>>64143185
ruger shill detected

>>64143193
I never mentioned that you disingenuous selfish little fuck, are you a zigger spammer?

>>64143220
>I never mentioned that you disingenuous selfish little fuck
and you didn't deny it either LMAO

>>64143233
What blew up this time Mr KGB?

>>64143193
rooger makes a gen 3 glock 19 which is based

>>64143237
my toilet, i'm gonna take a magnum piss since i drank 2 cans of V8 energy an hour ago

>>64142045
I just got it and I'm loving it™. Just choosing furniture concepts

>>64145319
is that a 3d printed Vz 58 front sight?

>>64145468
Y-yes

>>64143185
what's the dl on Keltec's metal quality

>>64148830
anon its all waffle plastic and mcmaster carr catalogue screws

>>64149813
I mean the barrels and receivers etc

>>64135890
It handles like ass because you strapped a fuckin huge scope and blocky laser to it for no reason

>>64154382
>ruger

>>64157211
>durability
I wish that were true, but the carbines are nowhere near as durable as their handguns.

>>64143146
It's kind of apples to oranges, but also, there's the default expectation of the muzzle. Probably 1.7 inches of muzzle device on the AR, probably nothing on the PCC.

>>64140665
>All free as long as you can pass the paperwork portion starting Jan 1 next year.
Unless the GOA lawsuit goes through, no one gives a shit. $200 one time fee on a durable good is nothing, especially given inflation, but submitting fingerprints and shit is onerous. I’d gladly pay $200 if the Form 4 and Form 1 processes were the same as they were 15 years ago and I could use my trust to avoid the fingerprint card again. Obviously abolishment is the best NFA change to wish for, but the money was the least bullshit part of the process and I don’t care if they change that part, I’m still done buying NFA items until the process is less onerous.

>>64157211
i'd get one, but the disassembly is garbage

>>64154403
>>64154382
I hate r*ger as much as the next goy, but man the wooden stock with rails on the PCC got me acting unwise.

>>64160535
SEXO

>>64157211
>double stack version never
We even got a bullpup chassis, wtf is the hold up?

>>64160599
For a variety of reasons, probably not anytime soon if ever.
Consider how long the YC2 took to come out then add to in the fact they'd been working at the problem for years, if not a decade at that point.
Consider how long it took them to produce a factory stendo for the carbine despite talking about it for just as long.
And the end result being a 10 roInd stagger stack and this thing lmao. (Though to be fair I don't thing it's possible to make a 20 round single stack 9mm magazine that isn't unwieldy and stupid looking

>>64132556 (OP)
Never heard of or seen an FPC but I do have a sub2k.
Pros:
> Quiet
> Pretty damn accurate
> Fits in basically any bag
> Shoots 9mm (some other chamberings too)

Cons:
> Gassy and the port is basically right there next to your face
> Gets dirty VERY fast (so fucking fast holy shit)
> Bolt spring is not for the weak

>>64132556 (OP)

FPC in 10mm

You'll be able to take down a bear

>>64132556 (OP)
I hate the placement of the charging handle on both guns

>>64154396
Learn to read, bitch.

>>64141676
>>64141717

>>64162989
The CMMG Banshee isn't an AR9. The AR9 uses straight blowback.

>>64132556 (OP)

100% the FPC if the sub2k isn't the new gen3 model.

The new gen3 model of the sub2k fixes all the issues. It's now a perfectly fine gun. At this point it basically boils down to do you want glock mag compatibility (sub2k) or S&W mag compatibility and 2 extra mags in the shoulder brace (fpc)

Both are fine guns. But if you get the sub2k ensure it's a gen3 model before you buy it.

>>64162989
Okay? You can buy just the bolt and barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/102284650?srsltid=AfmBOooxGzDR5fVGyQ8KwP-Py1Ek7Cqb12DWTzJdL__vloyNRPX1lTiZ&pid=747411

>>64163019
Meant for
>>64163006
Obviously. It's a 9 millimeter/.45 ACP AR with a reduced recoil impulse compared to straight blowback. It's valid to mention.

>>64132556 (OP)
>>64141905
Come on... we're so close... just somebody... give us the GI Joe rifle!!

>>64163023
It's really not, though. The AR9 is a system that uses straight blow back. That's why it has high felt recoil. It's why people say that. You can't just say people are talking about the Banshee when they're talking about the AR9. That's disingenuous and misleading.

>>64163083
I never implicity or by implication did. Or meant to.
I meant that you can buy the bolt and barrel and upgrade your AR9 if the issue is bothersome enough, at significant cost though. It would be nice if more manufacturers offered similair fixes. AR parts are dirt cheap, maximizing a PCC form should be a win win.

>>64163101
>I meant that you can buy the bolt and barrel and upgrade your AR9 if the issue is bothersome enough
That's actually pretty cool, to be honest. I figured the CMMG bolt would be proprietary in some way. Or that it wouldn't play with the buffer. Thanks for pointing this out.

>>64163133
They even claim running suppressed just needs a different buffer weight. Would be cat's PJs with an SS.

>>64163101
>>64163133
It seems like the bolt would be patented but a 9mm or .45 standard AR barrel with standard lugs should be a free design. You need someone to think that making one for a proprietary bolt at reduced profit would be worth investing in though.

>>64162669
Any idea where you can cop short barrels? Might do a build if the NFA gets abolished in 5 years.

>>64165620
It's a pc charger barrel & handguard