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Anonymous No.64137415 >>64137963 >>64141416 >>64145736 >>64145736 >>64159166 >>64160670 >>64171626
/msg/ - Military Surplus General
Second Reich Edition

Post whatever you want, even plastic shit.

Thread Question: What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?

Previous Thread: >>64078195
Anonymous No.64137742 >>64137877 >>64138765 >>64165020
You guys think $3200 for a sanded Gewehr 43 with a polished/refinished receiver and cover is a reasonable ask or should I wait for something better in person and try and haggle down?
Pic rel is the gun
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64137877
>>64137742
make sure you check the rear of the bolt and receiver for cracks.

if the rifle is in a good shootable condition then that is a fair price.
Anonymous No.64137954 >>64137988 >>64137996 >>64138001 >>64140857 >>64163712 >>64163712
Did I get scammed when I paid $600 for an Enfield No2 Mk1*? It's been refinished so I couldn't tell that it was an Enfield at first because the markings are all jacked up. Serial number is A7887, so fairly early run, but it's got the features of a *, so I guess it got changed up at some point when it got some repairs?
Anonymous No.64137963 >>64137996 >>64138033
>>64137415 (OP)
>Thread Question: What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?
Yugoslavian guns. The Zastava M70 is in particular a really nice gun to shoot. (Not the AK Zastava M70). (Also I’m not talking about the Czech CZ-70 .32acp pistol, but the Zastava CZ M70 .32acp pistol)
Anonymous No.64137970 >>64137996
>>64135314
>>64135493
>i'd sy anything under $5k is a deal and 6-7k would be full retail
Thanks guys. Last Gewehr 41 I saw go up for auction hit just over $10k with premium so I'm worried I might not get a chance to win this one given recent auction history.
Anonymous No.64137988 >>64137994
>>64137954
>I couldn't tell that it was an Enfield at first because the markings are all jacked up
Are you legally blind?
Anonymous No.64137994
>>64137988
Just a little retarded. The guy selling it said it was a Webley, and I thought to myself "I don't know a lot about Webleys, but that doesn't seem like a terrible deal. What the hell, I'll buy it and do my research later." Probably not my smartest moment, but oh well
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64137996 >>64138045 >>64138082 >>64138115 >>64140863
>>64137954
bit of an overpay for a $400 gun, but if you're under the age of 65 you should live long enough that see it worth significantly more than you paid.

>>64137970
Yea, they're all over the place right now, the one at Rock Island had a scope too so that helped drive the bidding up.

>>64137963
my love of trashy spanish 32s is almost unsurpassed, pic unrelated
Anonymous No.64138001
>>64137954
for me its the webley
Anonymous No.64138033 >>64143914
>>64137963
I always thought the little M70s were kind of ugly, but now they’re growing on me and I’m mildly tempted to get one. I really enjoy shooting .32 ACP. The only .32 pistol I have is pic related (also have an Vz61 SBR.) Unfortunately it’s not super reliable. Sometimes it’ll get through a mag just fine. But sometimes I’ll have a FTF. I’ve replaced springs in both the pistol and my 2 mags but it’ll still have issues. It hasn’t bothered me enough to buy another mag and see if that’s the issue or dive deeper into the pistol to find the issue.
Anonymous No.64138045 >>64138082 >>64138202 >>64138216
>>64137996
>dat pic
WTF!?!? Did they shape the barrel profile with a fucking angle grinder???
Anonymous No.64138082 >>64138216
>>64137996
>>64138045
They could be good looking guns if the Spaniards ever sharpened their chisels.
Anonymous No.64138115 >>64138143 >>64138216
>>64137996
>Yea, they're all over the place right now, the one at Rock Island had a scope too so that helped drive the bidding up.
They certainly are, there was one on GB that hit $14k a few months back which was insane. Are M1941 Johnsons right around the sane price as a Gewehr 41?
Anonymous No.64138143 >>64146305
>>64138115
Johnsons seem to float anywhere between 6-8k these days
Anonymous No.64138202 >>64138216
>>64138045
looks like a handmade revolver
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64138216 >>64146305
>>64138045
its from Spain, so probably the hand tool equivalent

>>64138082
or if they tried making them while sober

>>64138115
Johnsons we skewing higher for awhile but now both are all over the place, if you can find either at $5k or less, id say buy it on the spot

>>64138202
it likely was

https://youtu.be/sLU_E3bmLDk?si=n3IPRcAGOPVxlnRe
Anonymous No.64138765 >>64138788 >>64139035 >>64140063
>>64137742
Eh. its not bad. Check the pics cause there is a crack behind the receiver. Its not a bad price, but its already on its last legs
Anonymous No.64138788
>>64138765
A bit much, also that is one crack too many, I think some superglue will fix that
Anonymous No.64139035
>>64138765
Yeah that’s what I was thinking, as much as I want one I think I’m just gonna pass till I found one I REALLY want
Anonymous No.64139079
>Thread Question: What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?
Gewehr 88, everyone freaks out and says jewish rifle go explodey but its such a great rifle.
Anonymous No.64140063 >>64140154
>>64138765
Do StGs also have the tendency to tear themselves apart? Seems like I only hear of 43s destroying themselves.
Anonymous No.64140154
>>64140063
no the stg wasnt build like shit as the g41/43 was
Anonymous No.64140786 >>64141033
Holy fuck...
This is a G33/40 btw
(While I'm posting this how, much do normal G33/40's go for? Im thinking about buying one)
Anonymous No.64140851 >>64141982
Anyone know if this is 9mm or if its been replaced by 30 luger?
Anonymous No.64140857
>>64137954
>It's been refinished
looks like the original suncorite finish, i wouldn't worry about it

>so I couldn't tell that it was an Enfield at first because the markings are all jacked up
bruh you can just tell by the features alone

>$600
yes you overpaid
Anonymous No.64140863 >>64141979
>>64137996
>but if you're under the age of 65 you should live long enough that see it worth significantly more than you paid.
peak boomer atitude
Anonymous No.64141033 >>64168128
>>64140786
This is a G33/40 btw.
I will kick myself forever for not buying an original one for $900 in 2013 after a shop obtained some old guy's collection of 30 of them and priced them all to sell. He'd bought them all in the late 50's. Dude had a hell of an intuition, he saw other shops turning them into sporters back then and thought "Surely these kraut carbines will be worth something someday, they aren't as common as regular 98's."
Anonymous No.64141416 >>64145452
>>64137415 (OP)
to be accurate:
2nd reich was the holy roman empire (of german nation), i.e. austria in the long term. after charlemagne vienna was not always the capital, but berlin never was. berlin didnt even exist as a city at the time.
the displayed guns and flag belong to the german (prusssian) empire. which was partly a part for certain times of the 2nd reich. but never "the" 2nd reich.
1.reich romans
2. reich charlemagne til habsburg throws the crown away to appease napoleon
3.reich best reich
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64141979
>>64140863
>watches readiness reviews
>has a dumb opinion
checks out
guns are a tangible store of value, even the worthless ones tend to rise with inflation. these are facts, not "boomer attitude"
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64141982
>>64140851
9mm
Anonymous No.64142799 >>64142926
RSC I mentioned on the K98k forums a thread ago dropped to $9,000
Might be able to get lucky and low ball him down to 8,500 or even 8,000
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64142926
>>64142799
sad to say but yea 8000-8500 would be a good deal after what they've been going for at auction
thats another one of my dream guns thats pricing itself out of my interest level
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64143601
Anonymous No.64143607 >>64143646
Ok so I found some g33/40's all for around 2,300 but I haven't been able to find much info on their pricing but do you guys think thats a good price for one thats matching?
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64143646
>>64143607
yea, anywhere from 1800-2500 is fair game with consideration given to numbers and condition
Anonymous No.64143914 >>64144373 >>64144554
>>64138033
I’ve ended up with like 8 32s in my collection. They’re all pretty fun to shoot. The Zastava M70s are funny because they’re a solid steel brick shooting .32 so it seems like there is less recoil than some of my .22s. I’ll carry a Beretta 3032 whenever I need something really small. I still need to repair this Dreyse I bought with a broken frame latch, but I can’t find a replacement anywhere.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64144308 >>64144799
Anonymous No.64144369
I just ordered a surplus K31 from J&G sales, I remember buying these things when they were sub $200 from aimsurplus. I also remember buying GP11 for $160/case from Sportsmansguide. Now I want to drink alcohol.
Anonymous No.64144373 >>64146672
>>64143914
Are the m70s the cheapest surp on the market currently
Anonymous No.64144554 >>64146672
>>64143914
Interesting note on the M70. Could make it fun to shoot. With the Czech .32 ACP that has been imported lately, might be time to stock up on more ammo and get some more 32s.

Do you have a Beretta 81? I remember a few years ago when Classic got them and priced them just over $200 and I kick myself for not getting one. I can easily afford one, but just haven’t really decided to find and buy one.
Anonymous No.64144799
>>64144308
>cutaways
I always see them at gunshops every now and then and wonder if they'd be cool to have as a wall hanger.
Anonymous No.64145228
Anonymous No.64145452
>>64141416
1st reich was holy rome
2nd was imperial germany
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64145577
Anonymous No.64145710 >>64145740 >>64145814 >>64146211 >>64148993
i'll never be able to afford one, will i /msg/bros?
Anonymous No.64145736
>>64137415 (OP)
>>64137415 (OP)
>What's a surp you enjoy that no one else seems to care for?

I love Gew88s

The dutch beaumont vitalli
Anonymous No.64145740 >>64145814
>>64145710
Oh jeez, I thought non 9mm ones were supposed to be cheaper :(
Anonymous No.64145814
>>64145710
That’s not exactly a run-of-the-mill example.

>>64145740
It’s an earlier variation and marked by a London retailer. Both factors appealing to collectors.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64146211
>>64145710
anytime you see a hammer description in a C96 listing just walk away
Anonymous No.64146241 >>64148295 >>64148415 >>64148604 >>64148634 >>64148986 >>64149192 >>64149215 >>64149258 >>64149386 >>64149653 >>64149688 >>64149894 >>64150134 >>64150601 >>64156670
luv me Swede
1909 model, converted to M/38 carbine pattern, she's my go-to rifle and I really need to shoot more often.

At 116 years old this is easily my oldest possession which still has functional value, what is your oldest raifu anons?
Anonymous No.64146305
>>64138143
>Johnsons seem to float anywhere between 6-8k these days
>>64138216
>Johnsons we skewing higher for awhile but now both are all over the place, if you can find either at $5k or less, id say buy it on the spot
Thanks guys, I will keep that in mind. There's one of each in this collection that I was invited to look at, so trying to make a decision between the two when the owner finally decides to sell them.
Anonymous No.64146672
>>64144373
I can’t find them anymore. CZ-50 and CZ-70 32s seem to be getting imported right now though for $300. Those are DA/SA too.
>>64144554
If you can find an 81 that’s definitely the old 32 to get. I carried it for a bit, but now I mostly carry an 80X. You can also convert an 80X to 32acp and it accepts 81 mags. Beretta is supposed to start selling their own conversion kits and 32acp 80Xs at some point too.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64147249
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64148102
Anonymous No.64148247
I have a question about the sights used on the Swedish RollingBlock. The rifle I brought home yesterday has traces of target sights installed.

There are two threaded holes and a rectangular print. Which roughly correspond to the sights in the attached picture. Does anyone know what type of sights these are?
The furthest I traced to - Lyman rear peep - Model 66
Anonymous No.64148295
>>64146241
>what is your oldest raifu anons?
Current oldest: Belgian(?) mystery meat 20ga SxS percussion gun, estimated date of manufacture 1850s.
Oldest one I've owned: .50ish caliber wheel lock hunting rifle with a Nürnberg gun maker's guild mark, undated but probably made around 1600-1630.
Loved that old wheel lock gun, but I regrettably had to sell it due to a series of unforeseen financial troubles. And yes, I did shoot it a few times.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64148415
>>64146241
my oldest is unmarked but has features that date it anywhere from 1780-1830, but if I had to guess I'd lean towards the 1820s.

Earliest marked gun is an 1830s German Jaeger rifle.
>pic unrelated
Anonymous No.64148604
>>64146241
My 1855 Springfield rifled musket, the best gift I've ever received. She shoots better than I do but the sights are horrible
Trigger sucks too you have to use the full length to get a decent pull
Anonymous No.64148634
>>64146241
>what is your oldest raifu anons?
My Kropatschek from 1886
Anonymous No.64148986 >>64149332
>>64146241
>what is your oldest raifu anons?
1884 Trapdoor. But hoping to pick up an unconverted Springfield 1812 sometime in the next year so that'll eclipse it by a bit i'd say.
Anonymous No.64148993
>>64145710
if ~3k is too much for you then, yes most likely.
Anonymous No.64149192
>>64146241
1884 trapdoor rifle, made in 1892. Still shoot it on occasion, I'd really like to shoot a deer with it.
Anonymous No.64149215 >>64149799
>>64146241
>what is your oldest raifu anons?
New York State Guard Remington Rolling Block made in 1872.
Anonymous No.64149258 >>64156722
>>64146241
Chilean mauser, model of 1895, made in 1897 or 1898. In very nice condition, though the rifling is softened. Shoots about 5 or 6 MOA. I don't shoot her much, but I _do_ shoot her. Ejector isn't working; it doesn't kick the brass out when the bolt is pulled back. But I kind of like it that way; lets me pluck the brass off the bolt for eventual re-loading. Rear sight was never updated for the spitzer bullet. When I finally do re-load I want to experiment with the original round nose bullets and see what they do compared to the modern bullets. Interested to see if the round nose will have more rifling engagement in the worn barrel and maybe shoot tighter.
Anonymous No.64149332
>>64148986
Moist nugget from '33. I had an 1878 Veterli but unfortunately I sold it after a centerfire conversion was determined to not be worth the cost.
Anonymous No.64149386
>>64146241
tie between my 1898 Tula M39 and Izzy Finnish M91.
Anonymous No.64149653
>>64146241
>oldest raifu
My first gun I ever bought, a Turk 93/33 first manufactured in 1894, iirc. I've since bought some other guns which I might have a little more fun with, but that one'll always have a special place in my heart
Anonymous No.64149688
>>64146241
Oldest? Martini Henry Mk3 built in 1882
Anonymous No.64149799
>>64149215
1777 musket used by the private military company the British tea company to oppress the pajeets. Ultra based firearm. Almost as good as the communist killers in my collection.
Anonymous No.64149894
>>64146241
>what is your oldest raifu anons?
My Type 53 Mosin from 1960, also a Vietnam bring back with matching serial numbers
Anonymous No.64150096 >>64150106 >>64150141
I think my dad has 2 Arisaka’s with the mum, both in 6.5jap. I think they are the same exact type. I can’t remember the type number. They’re from the occupation. He has a Mosin, I think that’s a type 53. It’s from Vietnam and has capture papers. There’s a legit crossbow from the Cambodian tribes that our special forces worked with in Vietnam. For a brief period some of the special forces guys reported to my grandpa. He gave them a can of tobacco and asked them to trade it for him. He had no idea what he would get and was super excited when he got the crossbow. I guess the Vietcong tried to kill my grandpa twice in Vietnam. He had the claymore pellets from one attempt put in acrylic with a little note. I have that but it’s at the other house and not really impressive. Anyway, he scored this gun in the Philippines in WWII, grandpa not dad. It’s pretty cool because 2 world wars and a police action. The 135th ever issued to the Navy, first batch. 1-500 went to the Army.
Anonymous No.64150106
>>64150096
Oops, upside down. Attempting to fix.
Anonymous No.64150134
>>64146241
probably my MK I* snider
Anonymous No.64150141 >>64150163 >>64150200
>>64150096
>2 world wars

That's an A1 though. You just mean the 1911 design in general?
Anonymous No.64150163 >>64150647
>>64150141
It didn’t start life like that. It’s 1911 serial 635. It had some kit done to it by an armorer a very long time ago. There’s some info on this and it’s been a while since I researched. I think the forgotten weapons guy may have even done a video on whatever they call this hybrid. It still retains some original features like the thumbnail sights on the slide. I think the trigger may still be original but am unsure. I know the mainspring was updated hence the hump. Someone here will probably know more than me. I went through WWI with the US, then was given to Philippines sometime between WWI and WWII. We don’t shoot it anymore since we learned the very early slides weren’t always hardened correctly. I think this was actually the first pistol I ever shot when I was like 10.
Anonymous No.64150200
>>64150141
I was looking online and a good way to tell 1911 from A1 is relief cuts to the frame were added with the A1. I didn’t know that or I would’ve just said it before. I can’t tell if the hammer and spur changed. I think the spur might be original too? Somebody else will probably know.
Anonymous No.64150601
>>64146241
My oldest is my Springfield M1871 Rolling Block made in 1872. And I have shot it before.
Anonymous No.64150647 >>64153529
>>64150163
I think that hammer is original. The M1911’s hammer spur changed shape slightly over time, even before the A1. It also still has the early style rear sight and it has a pre-A1 trigger. At some point it got fitted with the arched mainspring and longer grip safety and new grips, but the patent address on the slide is the pre 1914 text so I don’t think this pistol went through one of the complete tear down and rebuilds with a bunch of parts mixed and matched, but rather new parts were refitted only as necessary. It’s a really great heirloom.
Anonymous No.64153529 >>64153660 >>64154374
>>64150647
Thanks for all the info. This thread got me interested again. I’m gonna do some more research. According to the Colt online serial number search this one was delivered in 1912. Apparently they issued the same serial again in 1918. That’s weird because I looked it up before and I think there was only one entry. I think you are right that it wasn’t totally reworked. My understanding was the US military issued some kind of update kit for the original 1911’s to address whatever issues. So this gun is in some kind of known hybrid condition. I’m gonna look for the forgotten weapons video unless I imagined it. We don’t know exactly where this one was during WWI exactly, but it was given to Philippines and then it went with my grandpa on the Seawolf to Australia. We’ve had it ever since. I’ve been telling my dad to at least rub some grease on it. He knows better than to let languish like that. Here’s an unrelated 1917, can’t even remember if it’s a Colt or Smith and Wesson. It takes the Half Moon clips.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64153660 >>64153719
>>64153529
I have a Colt 1908 with 3 digit serial number. it's a matching gun but the patent dates and newer finish on the slide show the slide was replaced at some point by Colt. Colt factory refurbs were re-stamped with the same serial number on replacement parts.
Anonymous No.64153719 >>64153785
>>64153660
Interesting, I did not know this, thank you. Makes me curious, have you ever entered your serial into the Colt online serial number lookup thing? I’m wondering if it shows up twice like this one did. I wonder if the entries I found for 1912 and 1918 maybe indicated Colt put the kit on this thing.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64153785 >>64153834
>>64153719
punching in random 3 digits I found this. I have a buddy thats a Colt collector, Ill ask him if he knows why, but I wonder if they recalled/reissued the pre-war military guns due to the heat treating issues you mentioned earlier
Anonymous No.64153834
>>64153785
Man that would be great. I’d really appreciate anything your buddy tells you. Thank you again.
Anonymous No.64154036 >>64154047
Going to a gun show tomorrow can I get a price check on matching German K98's? (mainly the mid war ones with the cupped butt plate and takedown disc)
Also tips on what to look for if anyone has any would be awesome (anything helps cause even if it doesn't help me it might help someone else)
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64154047 >>64154145 >>64163015
>>64154036
anywhere from $1000-2000 depending on the boomer selling it.
Anonymous No.64154145 >>64154454
>>64154047
>G.33/40 spotted
Man I want to get one of those but I cant really get one of them AND a gewehr 43 so I'm split between the two
Anonymous No.64154374
>>64153529
>Apparently they issued the same serial again in 1918. That’s weird because I looked it up before and I think there was only one entry.
Possibly a database error from some other Colt-made firearm made in 1918. No doubt that frame and slide are 1912-vintage.
>So this gun is in some kind of known hybrid condition.
It could also be that your grandfather fitted the checkered mainspring housing and extended tang grip safety because it makes the pistol more comfortable to shoot.
TennisBalls phone posting No.64154454 >>64154504
>>64154145
Its neat but for the price id consider it meh. Im a collector so i don't regret buying it, but if i was giving advice id say get an FN 1950 with 16"barrel for basically the same experience for 1/8th the cost.
Anonymous No.64154504 >>64154516 >>64155895
>>64154454
SMALLER
Anonymous No.64154516 >>64154649 >>64155895
>>64154504
I want to be a dad so I can buy my child the mini mosin
Anonymous No.64154649 >>64156836
>>64154516
>I want to be a dad
get off 4chan
t. a dad
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64155895
>>64154504
>>64154516
both of these. I want to get a crate of mini mosins and hand them out at halloween
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64156490
Anonymous No.64156670 >>64156691
>>64146241
Tie between an 1896 spanish action and an 1895 chilean.

Spanish is sporterized but clearly loved and well cared for (except whoever had it before me and stripped it down to a barrelled action before selling), chilean is also sporterized but it kind of sucks.
Anonymous No.64156691
>>64156670
1896 chilean god damn hard to type the manufacture year when you always say the model year instead

Both ive built up as poverty frankenmausers, chilean almost factory but i saved money with swedish rear sight + handguard, spanish more franken but its getting a nice custom suhl style claw mount for fancy old german scopes
Anonymous No.64156722
>>64149258
It kinda sucks replacing the ejector, had to do that on my also chilean mauser.

Swedish spring was the cheapest but it isnt the same size, guessing its just manufacturing tolerances? Not sure why it'd be something on purpose.

Also the bluing on the swedish ejector spring is minty and looks totally out of place, i need to rust it or something baka.
Anonymous No.64156757 >>64156975 >>64157038
Any buyers guides or resources for buying Lee-Enfield's (Mk IIIs or No 4s)?

Never bough surp before and the price disparity kind of freaks me out.
>you can get a No 4 for $400 or $800 and more or less and anywhere in between)
Anonymous No.64156836 >>64157023 >>64161809
>>64154649
My girlfriend is probably infertile
Anonymous No.64156975
>>64156757
For the most part the dictator on price for #4s and Mk3s is condition. A decent one of either should run you around $600 in today money so aim for that.
you could dive deeper into manufacturer and other bits but British guns (with a few exceptions) dont suffer the same autism as others
Anonymous No.64157023
>>64156836
Adopt
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64157038 >>64157202 >>64157259 >>64158135
>>64156757
depends what your objective is, if you're wanting to 'collect' and go for rare markings and such, then let the market dictate. if you just want to start shooting surp, then your only concern should be bore quality.

Common and robust guns like Enfields and Mausers are easy to find parts for. You can always look for a cheap bubba'd rifle (as long as it retains original barrel length) for $150-200 and then restore it with replacement furniture and barrel bands down the road when you have more money.
Anonymous No.64157202 >>64157299
>>64157038
>no RIC carbine
0/10 collection see me after class
Anonymous No.64157259 >>64157299
>>64157038
Any good sauces for non-enfield stocks? I picked up a couple of mausers that bubba restonked. (Gew 98 and chilean) and I'd like to restore.

You can get SMLE 3 all day but it's harder to find other furniture.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64157299 >>64157322
>>64157202
its literally on the left of the picture, as punishment you need to give me jewtube clicks
https://youtu.be/J7pSKAWYzZI?si=sZ_eGCCS7aKJaqZ-

>>64157259
LibertyTreeCollectors
FoxMilitary
eBay
Gunbroker
Sarco/Numrich (comes in waves)
buymilsurp.com
proxibid/hibid estate auctions
and as always, check your local surp shops
Anonymous No.64157322 >>64157328
>>64157299
I give you clicks. the vertical makes it look longer than it is. I apologize. As an olive branch, I post my Long Lee too.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64157328 >>64157331
>>64157322
CLLE? nice I still need one of those. the one I have with CLLE markings is a Khyber gun
Anonymous No.64157331 >>64157357 >>64157375
>>64157328
Yea. Its one of the commercial re-issues. Including P-H sights
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64157357 >>64158502 >>64171861
>>64157331
very nice. I dont have any with Parker Hales, but the Westley Richards one has a folding rear tangent
Anonymous No.64157375 >>64157404
>>64157331
*Tippins. not Parker Hale. I had a PH article up on my screen so I fucked that up.
Also remember
>Cordite Only
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64157404 >>64157975
>>64157375
>On Her Majesty's Secret Cordite
Anonymous No.64157975 >>64175004
>>64157404
the forbidden spaghetti
Anonymous No.64158135 >>64158502
>>64157038
Any of those South Rhodie?
TennisBalls phone posting No.64158502
>>64158135
I wish. I have the Austrian one pictured in >>64157357 as well as an iraqi one.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64158952
Anonymous No.64159166 >>64159185
>>64137415 (OP)
possibly wrong place to put here but got my first camo milsurp last month and got the vest with it few days later
is it common to get woodland as a first for people getting into milsurp?
Anonymous No.64159185 >>64170068
>>64159166
>is it common to get woodland as a first for people getting into milsurp?
I don’t collect any military clothing and even I have a set of M81 BDU somewhere. So “yes”.
Anonymous No.64159512
Man I want a Lee-Enfield no1 mk 3. One day soon hopefullly I
'll find a good one fot a good price
Anonymous No.64160034
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64160443
Anonymous No.64160670
>>64137415 (OP)
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64161305
Anonymous No.64161732 >>64161740 >>64162556
Buddy of mine got this musket can anyone tell us about it?
From what we can tell it’s an 1841 Mississippi rifle but not much else
Anonymous No.64161740
>>64161732
Here’s another pic
Anonymous No.64161809 >>64170253
>>64156836
Get her thyroid checked and if she needs medication you can start stabbing that cervix and you'll hopefully get a son.
Anonymous No.64162556
>>64161732
Cool unit markings. I don't have a good civil war markings reference book but M St JB, could be missouri state jefferson barracks in st Louis
Anonymous No.64162965
>found a spot in the house where I can add a second safe

Looks like more surp is back on the menu boys
Anonymous No.64163015 >>64163137
>>64154047
is the fourth from the bottom a Yugo 24 CK carbine or something similar?
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64163137 >>64163339
>>64163015
4th from bottom is an FN 1950 commercial in .308
Anonymous No.64163339 >>64163393
>>64163137
Nice, are any of the other ones pictured in 7mm?
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64163393
>>64163339
Yes, one of the Vz24s is 7mm.

Not pictured but I have K98k and gew 98 in .30-06 as well
Anonymous No.64163675 >>64164065 >>64164789
which mauser mm is the best?
Anonymous No.64163712
>>64137954
>>64137954
i thought the same thing when i paid $200 for an sks bakc in 2012
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64164065 >>64164298
>>64163675
i'd argue 7mm is the best, honestly not sure why the Germans went with 8mm for themselves when 7mm was already around.
Anonymous No.64164298
>>64164065
7x57mm wasn’t a thing yet when the Germans adopted 8x57.
Anonymous No.64164789 >>64165228
>>64163675
7.63 master race
Anonymous No.64165020 >>64165701 >>64166041 >>64167257
>>64137742
As boomers die out there will be more supply and they will get cheaper.
That's alot of money for a milsurp gun anon.
Anonymous No.64165228
>>64164789
Based turtle anon.
Anonymous No.64165701
>>64165020
They’ve been saying that for 10 years and they’ve only gotten more expensive
Anonymous No.64166041 >>64166521 >>64166668
>>64165020
No Anon.
As boomers die their collections will be inherited by their idiot children and grandchildren who will give them to the police to be destroyed. You should consider all boomer guns to be permanently out of circulation (unless they end up with the Chicago PD). Because unless those guns are separated from their owners while those owners are alive they're just going to end up as scrap metal.
Anonymous No.64166521 >>64166613 >>64166668 >>64169296
>>64166041
This is only part of it. A lot of boomers are buying up other boomers' piles as if completely unaware of their own mortality. Dead boomer inventory is still in the market, just in the hands of the last ones remaining.
Lots of them do have plans, but it mostly involves their shit going to auction. ungrateful and uninterested grandkids will melt down stuff, but a fair amount will still remain in circulation with an ever aging cadre of vultures.
Anonymous No.64166613 >>64166637
>>64166521
Even when they have it all its still not enough.
They'll hound young guys who love cutting people a deal by acting like they're just getting into it at their old age or say they only want to collect a few things while they have a room full of guns that got put in safes before Gen Z collectors were ever even born
Let this be a reminder that its fine to cheat boomers for deals when they act like assholes. Its not like they'll care anyways (But you BETTER be nice to the good ones cause they are few and far between)
Anonymous No.64166637
>>64166613
anon calm down, we all hate the boomer menace here theres no need to seethe this hard. We know, we get it. post surp
Anonymous No.64166640 >>64166660 >>64167214
how bad are RTI C-grades?
Anonymous No.64166660
>>64166640
To my knowledge RTI in general is pretty terrible. Never bought from them from what I've heard the guns are always trashed (then again the price is cheap so thats why) and also takes months to ship stuff
Anonymous No.64166668 >>64167069
>>64166041
>>64166521
Met a Boomer once while buying some ammo from him that told me he was going to be buried with his 3 Garands and more if he acquires more. Someone will try to call me a communist, but I think that's both retarded and selfish. It's literally just hoarding a highly desired and limited item to the grave, and as someone with a moderate hoarding problem I can't even imagine being like that, WHILE having grandkids.

Milsurp is half-dead, not solely because of boomers, but they absolutely play their part in it.
Anonymous No.64167069
>>64166668
>buried with his 3 Garands and more if he acquires more
I really can't understand this level of selfishness and you're right that it's retarded. A number of my guns have immense sentimental value on a level that I don't care if I'm starving to death and cant afford food, I refuse to part with them as long as I'm alive. But when I am gone, I want them to be enjoyed and cared for by someone that will appreciate them, and what they meant to me. I need to hope that my friends kids wind liking guns though, cause if they don't, I don't get to have kids so all my shit winds up at an estate sale or whatever and who the fuck knows who they'll wind up with then, or how well they'll be taken care of.
Anonymous No.64167214
>>64166640
C-grades are mostly only good for being used as donors for a gun you already have.
Anonymous No.64167218 >>64170089
>85yo who was on Okinawa in the 50’s won’t sell me a milsurp for $700 because “that’s what I paid for it”
>lowest he’ll go is $1050
>tells me I got a good deal on it
>he’s still right
And soon I began to hate them.
Anonymous No.64167257
>>64165020
They die and then it is turned over to retailers dummy. Have you seen what cabelas wants for garands?
Anonymous No.64168128 >>64168383
>>64141033
they are super rare
Anonymous No.64168383 >>64171187
>>64168128
Relative to a Kar.98k perhaps, but In the grand family of Mausers ~120,000 is a good-sized production run.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64168656 >>64169174
Anonymous No.64169174 >>64169728
>>64168656
Normally I wouldn’t ask this sir but You must show me a closeup of that extravagant butt stamp
Anonymous No.64169296 >>64169358
>>64166521
>grandkids will melt down stuff
What the actual hell are you talking about? Real life ain't your messed up doom and gloom fantasies
Anonymous No.64169358
>>64169296
The gun buyback horror threads on /k/ do famously show many collectible and expensive firearms being turned into police to be destroyed. Sometimes originally posted by libtard millennials virtue signaling about destroying the evil weapons. It’s obviously extremely biased but it does happen. Most will obviously just be taken to gun stores to get as much money as they ignorantly can.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64169728
>>64169174
Anonymous No.64169793 >>64169883 >>64171202
I want to get into old milsurp rifles, but the prices are quite a bit for me, who just wants neat rifles to shoot.
Am I being unreasonable for not wanting to pay +1600 USD for a M1917? Or am I dreaming of a time I was born too late to be in on?
Are there any interesting models of rifle that are overlooked by boomer / collector scalpers?
Anonymous No.64169798 >>64169888
I got the Nambu from a few threads ago. Mag retention spring is split so I have to replace it but I cleaned the bore and was pleasantly surprised.
Anonymous No.64169883 >>64169904 >>64169914
>>64169793
>+1600 USD for a M1917?
fucking where are you seeing 1917s for that much? if you just want a neat 1917 to shoot they easily go for 600. Whats the surp market like in your area? are you resorting to online?

And to answer your larger question. Yes, you are somewhat too late. BUT its also never too late and you can still find deals on just about anything, your just having to avoid the bullshit a bit more than before
Anonymous No.64169888
>>64169798
Nambus are one of the neatest looking surp pistols there are. They look very Space Gun before space gun was a thing
Anonymous No.64169904
>>64169883
He’s probably seeing guns.com asking prices. And if he’s anywhere in an area like mine. They’re $900 asking price in complete condition. I still haven’t found one for a good price.
Anonymous No.64169914 >>64169974 >>64169976 >>64170012 >>64170033
>>64169883
>fucking where
Sadly Gun-boomer, against my better judgement, which just serves to discourage myself.
I should look at stores but I never feel like I can make the time, and do feel a little awkward showing up to ask and be non-committal to buying anything. Not every store in my area has a good site and I don't think they always update them (potentially to avoid scalpers maybe).

I guess my real question is what an acceptable price range is for a rifle that is a good shooter; yeah I know that answer can vary from rifle to rifle.
Also if there were any neat models that people think are overlooked / underrated. I like learning about interesting things.
Anonymous No.64169974 >>64170106
>>64169914
Ok a part of this is on you being a little new and socially retarded, but this is 4chan so thats a given. Stop doom scrolling gunbroker. You can entirely fulfill a respectable collection without ever buying off gunbroker, to the extent your general area or state surp market is like and how far youre willing to travel for shows.
To start, yes, go to the local stores get a read on how friendly they are and generally approach with wide eyed enthusiasm around collecting. Write off the stores that give you shit and return to them (if they had good stuff) when youre a little better with the lingo and how to comport yourself.
A lot of this is highly depending on your local market. I am surrounded by tubo based boomer gun stores where we are all buddies and things are great. But this isnt even remotely the case for many anons.

I think, go scout around and come back to the /msg/ thread then and tell us what kind of stores youve found, the vibes and what you saw. Its totally fine to be non-committal if you are at least seeking information/knowledge and it will give you a base idea of what your getting into
Anonymous No.64169976
>>64169914
Those prices are the ones that don’t sell. Keep that in mind. Retired Boomers spend all day camping these sites so you’re competing with that. You gotta be pretty lucky with the timing.
It’s hard to enter into right now when modern weapons are superior in every way, including price.
My only advice is to trade local. Keep an eye out and keep an open mind.
ask anyone older than you if they have any old military guns they don’t want and keep asking any lgs if they ever have anything. Gun shows have taken second place to pawnfinding the past couple years since my state enacted some more unconstitutional shit
Anonymous No.64170012 >>64170025
>>64169914
Oh right yea and for a good shooter 1917 600-800 bucks +/- condition for a typical Eddystone.

things currently slept on and are a good entry price are K31s (still) Carcanos, non German Mausers things in that neighborhood.
Anonymous No.64170025 >>64170068
>>64170012
>currently slept on
>Have 12 mausers
>not a single one actually made for use by Germans.
Anonymous No.64170033
>>64169914
Swiss stuff is still coming in and can be found online for $300-600 and that definitely won’t last because it’s good stuff
Anonymous No.64170068 >>64171364
>>64170025
*Slept on by the general boomer market/normies
not autists like you and >>64159185
Anonymous No.64170089 >>64170965
>>64167218
What gun was it? $700, was inflation accounted for?
Anonymous No.64170106
>>64169974
>You can entirely fulfill a respectable collection without ever buying off gunbroker,
This^, just by being friendly with a LGS I got myself a mas49 for $400. Be less retarded and if the people you are dealing with seems like they're trying to pull a fast one on you, just leave and go next.
Anonymous No.64170253 >>64170847 >>64170975
>>64161809
>he doesn't want to be a softball dad
Anonymous No.64170847
>>64170253
Dyke
Anonymous No.64170871 >>64170984 >>64171211
Bramit replicas are now on sale if you don't want to wait until 2026 for the goy tax to go away. They say they'll hold it until January if you want to wait.

https://atakaindustries.com/mosin-nagant-bramit-silencer/
Anonymous No.64170965
>>64170089
No I didn’t ask when he got it, but I got the feeling he had acquired it within the past 5 years because he talked about having owned several of the same model over the years.
The confliction in my soul over getting along with these nice-enough old fucks and hating them more and more over the years hurts.
Anonymous No.64170975
>>64170253
Imagine trying to fucking raise a daughter nowadays. I’d drop her off at an Amish village in the middle of the night if that happened.
Anonymous No.64170984
>>64170871
I’d rather have the satisfaction of not paying the government a single cent to own something that should be mandatory
Anonymous No.64171187
>>64168383
>, but In the grand family of Mausers ~120,000 is a good-sized production run.
my bad i got confused and thought we were talking about a 98/40
Anonymous No.64171202 >>64171881
>>64169793
where do you live? obvouisly if you are a eurocuck you will spend double the prices you see for americans. you can easily get started with a nice milsurp for $300 or less
Anonymous No.64171211 >>64179365
>>64170871
>wont just ship to your door
>offering to hold it for you while you fill out all sorts of jewish registry penis inspection bullshit
sounds like they are bootlicking faggots who dont deserve a single penny from my american patriotic wallet.
Anonymous No.64171364
>>64170068
>autists
I resent the very implication.
Anonymous No.64171626 >>64171635 >>64171715
>>64137415 (OP)
I have a 1916 oberspree sterngewehr with a tiger stripe stock, numbers matching, anyone know what it's probably worth?
Also have a .308 CZ 550 fs. Can't seem to get price details on it. Not selling but it's nice to keep track of
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64171635 >>64171659
>>64171626
pix my dude
Anonymous No.64171659 >>64171663 >>64171715 >>64171883
>>64171635
* affenwerke oberspree kornbusch 1916
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64171663 >>64171667
>>64171659
is the full gun numbers matched down to the screws?
Anonymous No.64171667 >>64171684 >>64171715
>>64171663
The bolt is force matched, yes to the rest
bore is mint
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64171684 >>64171692
>>64171667
the force matched bolt hurts it, but its still probably $2500 in the right auction
Anonymous No.64171692 >>64171694
>>64171684
interesting thanks. I got it for $400 lmao
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64171694 >>64171698
>>64171692
based. the last proper fully matched one got $4k in a grey blanket auction
Anonymous No.64171698 >>64172317
>>64171694
nice. my receiver looks like that but it has this star up top
that means it was like a parts rifle or something right?
Anonymous No.64171715 >>64171723
>>64171626
>>64171659
>>64171667
Are there any additional markings on the buttplate aside from the serial number? Depot renumbered bolts and reworked rifles do exist, it's estimated that roughly 1 in 3 rifles went back to a depot at some time during the war as the casualty rate for both rifles and men was pretty high. Also, you stole that rifle at $400 you lucky bastard, where did you find it?
Anonymous No.64171723
>>64171715
Wrong pic, depot markings on the buttplate usually look like this
Anonymous No.64171861 >>64172317
>>64157357
once had an israeli stamped smle from the iraqi bsa contract.
Anonymous No.64171881 >>64172306
>>64171202
wrong, most prices are similar
in some cases it depends on the gun & country
arisaka us = 300, europe a grand
europe = schmidt/rubin/steyr 100-300, us 500 up
got a long carcano and a berthier for 100 euros each last year.

countries with strict gun laws like spain have few guns circulating, prices high even for very basuc stuff
countries with easy access and high circulation have lower prices
Anonymous No.64171883
>>64171659
affenwerke = monkeys work
was that g98 made in a zoo?
Anonymous No.64172306 >>64174023 >>64174196
>>64171881
what countries in europe have "easy access"??
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64172317
>>64171861
Cool!

>>64171698
Depot repair, really neat, if you're ever hard up for cash hit me up, that one is nicer than mine.
Anonymous No.64172868 >>64175004
anyone /martini/ here?
Anonymous No.64174014 >>64175039
To the guy that was wanting an RCS the one I mentioned on the k98k forums has dropped to $8,500 + shipping costs
Anonymous No.64174023
>>64172306
ideally, go to a online 2nd hand gun sale site, choose gun, contact private seller, transfer money, get gun express shipped to door. paperwork per email. you can do all of this in 2 days, till you have a gun in your hands, without leaving the house.
or just go to a gunstore or pick up 2nd hand gun personally, pay cash, then its just a matter if hours tilll one is armed to the teeth. but then you have to leave the house and interact with the normies. austria.
Anonymous No.64174196 >>64174233 >>64179346
>>64172306
Sometimes I wonder if the 2nd is actually helpful, only in regards to the fact they can already invent reasons to take your guns away as it is.
What's the functional difference?
Anonymous No.64174233 >>64174319
>>64174196
Well we haven't been disarmed yet despite 50 years of concerted effort at every level of government and media, so yeah I'd say it's been pretty helpful. If not for the 2a, we'd have been in the same boat as the UK and Auatralistan decades ago. You'd have to be completely ignorant of the entire modern history of firearms regulation to not understand that.
Anonymous No.64174319
>>64174233
I suppose it works better in Austria due to some demographic differences we'll say
Anonymous No.64175004
>>64172868
perhaps >>64157975
Anonymous No.64175039
>>64174014
Thanks for the update fren but im gonna pass on that one. IF he had been within a reasonable driving distance of me the now 8.5k would've been a bit more of a sell to me, but eh. I can settle to wait longer for one in better condition and a higher price to match it
Anonymous No.64176684
For the Anon who was asking about a Husqvarna 640 Mauser sporter in 8x57mm w/ a vintage Aimpoint on it; here's your sign: https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/Z78257
Anonymous No.64177666 >>64179316
Can anyone give me a hint on where to look for an Enfield Battlesight Mk I?
Are there any repros available anywhere?
Anonymous No.64178777 >>64179585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFgssqpoMKY

I saw this, now you have too
Anonymous No.64179316
>>64177666
there are some Mk3s on Liberty Tree. just keep an eye on there a Mk1 might pop up.
Anonymous No.64179331 >>64179370
Are Star BM's officially collectible now /msg/?
Anonymous No.64179346
>>64174196
Yes idiot. Otherwise 1934 and 1968 would have been worse. We’d have national registration and no carry laws at the very least. Having it in the text has single-handedly shielded some Americans in the worst states from being Japan-tier. Stop turning on good things because the bad guys beat it; it’s still good, the bad guys just need to be beat.
Anonymous No.64179355
Considering a double stack Makarov in .380. Completely commercial tho. Any cheers or jeers?
Anonymous No.64179365
>>64171211
>someone else won’t fight my battle for me!!
Unless you pay all their legal fees, pipe down you do-nothing
Anonymous No.64179370 >>64179542
>>64179331
BMs are old and busted; 30M is the new hotness.
Anonymous No.64179542
>>64179370
sold out though
Anonymous No.64179585 >>64179594
>>64178777
Thanks anon. Been looking for a m1917 for a while. Finally found a decent one I pulled the trigger on and just got it today. I'm in bad company.
Anonymous No.64179594 >>64179616 >>64179658
>>64179585
These are so hard to find unaltered, in my area at least. How much? I’m trying for no more than $800
Anonymous No.64179616 >>64179629 >>64179663
>>64179594
What do you mean by unaltered? Many were rearsenaled, which is just fine by me. I paid around that.
Anonymous No.64179629 >>64179658 >>64179663
>>64179616
He probably mean sporterized
Anonymous No.64179658
>>64179629
I do.
>>64179594
I don’t count anything done by an official body as an “alteration” definitionally, even import marks.
Anonymous No.64179663
>>64179629
I do.
>>64179616
I don’t count anything done by an official body as an “alteration” definitionally, even import marks.
Anonymous No.64179844 >>64179851
Saw a K31 at my LGS, I really want it. How hard is it to find 7.5swiss in CA?
Anonymous No.64179851 >>64179867 >>64179869
>>64179844
PPU makes plenty so as long as LGSs specialize or stock it your fine.
I think CA has some gay online ammo ordering law? cuase its plentiful online as well. Surplus GP11 is approaching non-existent
Anonymous No.64179867 >>64181559
>>64179851
The amount of problems that have stemmed from Russia trying play older brother to Serbia is long and horrible
Anonymous No.64179869 >>64179882 >>64180128
>>64179851
Yes, ammo in this state must be shipped to an FFL holder, and all the gunstores in my area have told me they just don't have the room to do that for customers.
Anonymous No.64179882
>>64179869
You might have to take a road trip to the Las Vegas show fren.

You could find Sellier and Bellot 7.5
Anonymous No.64179949 >>64179967 >>64179986 >>64181345
>saving up for either a G41 or G43
>a nice matching prewar K98k pops up suddenly along with a P38 rig and a Steyr M.95
>only have space for one more in the safe
Does anyone else go through dry periods of months on end and then suddenly come into a flood of random surps? Also, do you all have any recommendations for safes that house surps well? Straight bolt handles and full length handguards are a pain to get into mine with the small dividers that mine came with.
Anonymous No.64179967
>>64179949
I custom built the racks/dividers in my safe
Anonymous No.64179986
>>64179949
>go over 2 years finding nothing
then
>M1
>beautiful swede
>M39
>03a3
>03 mk1
>war P38
>Gew88
Most appear before me in person at best prices the past years. One might honestly have to thank orange man winning for people loosing the strings to their collections.
>M937a
A cool coincidence
Anonymous No.64180128
>>64179869
Fellow CAer here, you can have ammo shipped to your door from online stores if you get a Curio and Relic and Certificate of Eligibility.
Anonymous No.64181345
>>64179949
The answer is easy. Get another safe.
Anonymous No.64181559
>>64179867
Hopefully suppliers have a stockpile built up from the tariffs scare so prices won't change for a while.
TennisBalls !vEk5JAWkCE No.64183064