Thread 64146892

I have this feeling that i need this gun. I don't care about the price or about the fact that its considered outdated or heavy. I want this thing in .45 acp because fuck you. I don't need Accessoires and shit. I just want that gun with an extra mag or two. Please tell me I shouldn't buy one otherwhise I will. My Rifle is a hk243 and I think they would go great together.
Also: General HK thread i guess.

>>64146892 (OP)
You shouln't buy one.
You should buy a real H&K Mark-23 instead.

>>64146892 (OP)
Why would i tell you not to buy a kino gun, unless you do
>>64146910
And get the even kino-er version

>>64146892 (OP)
Get it anon

>>64146892 (OP)
get this instead
you'll be glad you did

>>64146892 (OP)
You should
>>64146910
Personally I feel as though while the Mk23 can have a good trigger, it still isn’t as good as a Match on a USP.

>>64146910
Tell KAC to make more of the Mk23 silencers first.

>>64146892 (OP)
Truly kraut space magic

>>64146910
Can't get a suppressor in my country tho. Would it still be worth it to get a mark23 over a standard USP?

>>64147021
No, the trigger is worse, and it’s heavier and larger for no real benefit, they shoot exactly the same and have the same mag capacity.

>>64146975
>hk243

not OP but the whole appeal is the square look

>>64147043
That's not a hk243
Pic related is a hk243

>>64146975
>less capacity
No he won't
+2 extensions for the USP45 mags add a trivial amount of mag length as well.

The HK45C & CT is the apex of the HK45 and blows the fuck out of the USP45C & CT - the full size HK45 was an afterthought

>>64146892 (OP)
Do it. You wont regret it. It's my EDC outside of summer when I switch to an SK. The dream will always be the MK23 but the USP is more practical for everyday carry and use while still maintaining the CHONK factor we love. No match, no expert, no tactical. The bull nose stock USP.

>>64146892 (OP)
best looking "modern" handgun but I don't like how there is like 3mm of rail in the back

Trying to figure out what this gun is. Looks like a keltec, it has an hk mp5 stock.

https://youtu.be/Wu-UdyySSIQ?si=nTWzOLzssvy8l6vX

>>64147306
Use ar style box mags.

>>64147295
>>64147306
>>64147312
Well it’s not a HK USP 45 so you should find your own thread faggot.

>>64147158
No it wasn't, larptard. HK 45 is the finest combat handgun available today
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63364687

>>64147334
For small handed whopper jrs maybe, for normal people with normal size hands, the USP is king.

>>64147334
Larry, let it go

>>64147341
That's not going to work either. HK 45 is king
>'small handed'
(You) need to have medium size, or larger hands to grip the HK 45

>>64146892 (OP)
USP45 is awesome. Eats anything ypu feed it, including. 45 Super. Get one. You won't regret it.

>>64147350
Lmao king of manlets maybe

>>64146892 (OP)
the USP was built to be its own "weapon system" which is kinda retarded for a handgun, BUT, because of that it's probably one of the most robust modern hammer guns

also it looks cool, personally I'd get one in 9mm since modern bullet design has closed the gap in "power" between 9mm and .45

>>64147413
ok nogunz

>>64147416
Yeah all the advancements in bullet technology don't apply to 45 lmao 9mm copers are fucking pathetic.

>>64147029
>the trigger is worse
false
mk23 rapes the ever-loving shit out of the standard usp trigger

>>64147416
USP in 9mm is dumb, gun was built around .40 and .45. they literally had to mill extra material out on the 9s to get them to function and they've never been reliable as the .40 and .45 ones.

I got the 9 and it rocks. Only issue I'm afraid of which hasn't materialized mind you is that the firing is apparently breaks due to excessive use (especially dry firing). The new firing pins are supposed to fix this but not a bad idea to invest in a spare if you expect to see heavy use.

>>64147431
I've never understood the 'advances in bullets' argument (for any caliber) logic
if it applies to 9 mm then it also applies equally to larger calibers than 9 mm

>>64147559
I think the idea is that P+ and hollow points have increased the lethality of 9mm to the point where it is comparable to a 45. Can you make a better 45 round? Yes but there is a point of diminishing returns. In other words you can only kill someone so much. Note this doesn't apply if you're gonna shoot bears or whatever.

>>64146892 (OP)
I've owned two and I can't recommend against it really. They were both very reliable and accurate enough. They were however chunky with an average DA/SA trigger. I also wasn't a huge fan of the weight distribution because the slide on the .45 is much heavier than the frame, so the gun ends up being very top-heavy. You'll see what I mean if you handle one.
USPs are remarkably unremarkable, doing nothing particularly well other than reliability.
>>64147295
>>64147306
>>64147312
Well it is bolt action. Looks like a CZ600.

>>64147448
>9mm released alongside .40
>.45 released years later
>built around .40 and .45

>>64146892 (OP)
The mk23 is over built for suppressor use and .45 supers, you can still run .45 super in a regular USP 45

>>64147714
>I also wasn't a huge fan of the weight distribution because the slide on the .45 is much heavier than the frame

And once again wumbo is a dumbass for not realizing simple things like that 12 rounds of .45 will offset that weight.

>>64147436
Well the 2 Mk23 I’ve compared my USP .45 to felt like staple guns, while my USP has a nice crisp 3.5lb break and a 1.5mm reset. It does have the match kit in it, which is what I was referring to >>64147006 my original post

>>64147618
yeah but it's not even close to +P .45
Diminishing returns, all handguns suck. Get a rifle

>>64147779
Only up to a point. It's a minor gripe, but it bothered me to an unreasonable degree.

>>64147559
probably kill turning into sure kill is big difference.
sure kill into over kill who gives a fuck?
all you needed was sure kill

>>64147789
so? I wasn't replying to your original post

>>64147818
So? Read the thread and follow the conversation better, maybe you won’t be confused.

>>64147827
>Read the thread and follow the conversation better
certified retard

>>64147837
It’s not my fault you can’t read and don’t know how to use 4chan properly newfag.

>>64147848
keep digging that hole

>>64147858
You have to go back man

>>64147559
Assuming you aren't just baiting I'll fill you in as a bit of an autist on some of that stuff. Hasn't been a hobby for a few years though so keep that in mind.

In the 80s and 90s HPs for semi-auto handguns were practically in their infancy compared to today. The "computer man" (IIRC was something like the RIS II) models the FBI had pushed previously definitely didn't help either. They essentially gave bullets a damage number based on how much temporary cavity they would produce which they assumed would equate to more "stopping power". The combination of junk science and lack of modern understanding when it comes to making good JHPs resulted in a real cluster fuck performance wise where HP designs frequently either wouldn't expand reliably or would under penetrate when they did, with 9mm in particular it was typically a coin flip between the two. The first adequately performing 9mm HP by modern standards in terms of adequate penetration while expanding at least most of the time wasn't made until 86 or 87. It was a 147gr load that I believe Winchester made, specifically requested by a branch of the military for base security and not even available to LE in any meaningful way at the time. They literally didn't have them until then and they wouldn't be even sort of popular for over a decade. There were serious issues with 9mms real world performance at the time. Comparatively the greater mass and larger HP cavity of .45 meant that similarly designed HPs worked much better in terms of penetration and expansion. Over the years bullet tech improved and understanding of desired and achievable performance from handgun ammo did as well, while this benefitted both cartridges the gap between them shrunk, as the floor of 9mm HP performance is much lower than .45 while the ceiling for both is similar.

>>64146892 (OP)
are you in some euro country where you can't just buy things you like when you see them?
because the thing about the USP 45 from an American standpoint is, they're not uncommon, they've been around for a long time, and you can just grab one when you see it in the used case for a decent price. They're worth it if you see one for $500 or so, but not the best value if you are buying it new or going to auctions with a must-win attitude.

With all that said I prefer the HK45, everything about it is better except the trigger, which is a bit grittier. They're both fine, though, and you'll probably like either one.

>>64147948
Why don't you just post the ceiling for both then? Get rekt 9mmlet

>>64147995
Honestly I like a lot of handgun calibers and .357 magnum is my favorite lmao, I'm just explaining why people say that and why it came in to being as a common phrase. Whether you agree with the conclusion or not is up to you

>>64147431
>>64147559
It's just 9fags taking the FBI report out of context. The FBI ballistics laboratory has a 12" penetration minimum standard for their testing where the bullet must pass through barriers such as denim, auto glass, car doors, etc. before impacts organic gelatin. 9mm was unable to meet this minimum requirement for decades until ammo manufacturers came up with the modern top of the line duty loads which usually have some sort of plastic or resin plug that helps the projectile to better keep its shape when it passes through the initial barrier in the FBI testing protocol. These are loads like Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty, and Speer Gold Dot G2 to name a few. These newer bullets in 9mm were finally able to meet the FBI's minimum standard, which gave the FBI an excuse to move away from their problematic 40 S&W Glocks and aging Springfield Professionals. 9mm is cheaper and more politically correct being a smaller bullet, so it was an easy choice for a budget-minded government organization. Internet 9fags took the FBI's switch to mean that we now have magic bullets that make 9mm perform identical to 40 S&W and 45 ACP when that just isn't the case. 40 and 45 still have more energy, expansion, and penetration than 9mm, but the FBI considers them overkill now since 9mm can meet their 12" penetration minimum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GN-nXiHKQ

>>64148107
9mm was selected for service over and over again by thousands of militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world for 80 years before hollowpoint bullets ever saw widespread adoption.

Caliber doesn't matter very much in a gun that holds over ten rounds where your goal is to shut down an attacker instantly with a critical hit through the heart and spinal column at close range. Capacity and recoil will matter much more than the size of the hole.

>>64148154
Yeah by faggot European countries

>>64147559
As far as I understand it, 9mm JHP LE performance in terms of expansion and wound has gotten WORSE but more consistent and better penetration. As 9mm JHPs wouldn’t penetrate to FBI minimum despite a devastating expansion and fragmentation

>>64148158
That's right. It's the motion of the ocean and not the size of the boat.

>>64148154
Because of NATO, which only standardized it as an afterthought because the krauts left stockpiles of it all over Belgium and France in the 1940's. Handguns were already becoming obsolete in a military context before WWII was even over due to cavalry going the way of the dinosaur. Sidearms were basically only carried by MPs, paratroopers, machine gunners, tank crews, and officers. The average infantryman was not issued a sidearm. 32 ACP was still the most common cartridge carried by European police in those days, so 9mm was seen as good enough because NATO would have mainly been using it in submachine guns anyway.

>>64148158
>hold still while I shoot you 17 times xD

>>64148218
With a 45 you only get 8-13

>>64148340
With a 45 you only need one.

I'll agree with all the other anons who said get a USP. Fantastic gun.
>>64147772
^this guys fucks

>>64146892 (OP)
Hate to inform you, you have to get one.

>>64148362
You cannot instantly incapacitate a hostile threat with soft tissue damage alone in the chest cavity no matter what caliber you are using.

>>64146892 (OP)
It's a cool gun, and if you can afford it, then get one. I had a USP45 compact, and it was a great gun, but I sold it (like a retard). I eventually got a Mk23, which is probably my favorite handgun to shoot, especially suppressed. It's smooth shooting and accurate and it's actually pretty easy to just point shoot by looking down the slide and suppressor because they're so long.

>>64148394
You shoot through the heart it's pretty fuckin close.

>>64148460
Because you're hitting the spinal column from the front. 22LR can make that shot.

>>64147789
did you test the trigger reset though? mk23 has a much shorter reset than a standard usp

>>64148475
>mk23 has a much shorter reset than a standard usp
He has the match trigger however. That is probably the difference.

>>64146892 (OP)
Personally I prefer the 9/40 to the 45 since the Mk23 has the same place in my eyes as the 45. Now with the USP compact it's a more clear cut story. I love my 40 and since I picked up a spare 9mm conversion barrel I can always keep it fed. Note if you do get a 9 or 40, you caliber swap with just a barrel (and mags) from 40 to 9, but 9 to 40 would need a whole new upper.

>>64148379
Please sir, this is a SFW board

>>64148518
usp was designed from the ground up to be .40sw anyway

>>64148379
>>64148522

>>64148924
USP wasn’t from the ground up, it’s a simpler cheaper MK23

>>64149243
It was though? USP began development in 89 and the MK23 was designed off the work put into the USP

Does anyone know the date codes for German made HK45 compacts? I want one so bad, but I don't want the US made models.

>>64146910
The USP is an upgrade to the mark 23, if they made a super-long USP there would be no reason for the mark 23 to exist anymore.

>>64149291
Look for the AI code

>>64149347
Correct.
Mark 23 is a fun idea but got product improved. If you actually want a "Mark 23" to utilize and shoot in the real world get a USP 45 Tactical.

>>64149291
really fucking pissed now that there wasn't a HK 1911

Not OP but have standard new USP45s ever gone on sale for less than $1000 or do I need to just pony up and buy one if I want one.

>>64149291
>HK 1911
What the fuck

you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about

>>64149420
MSRP is like 1.2k bro

buy used

>>64149420
Keep seeking on gunjoker, in your local sporting goods and firearms stores, as the other anon suggested previously owned is the way to go with pretty much all modern handguns. Never buy new

>>64147343
'snicker' no pun intended

>>64147334
HK45CT maybe.

The entire HK45 system was designed around being a better USP45C.
Full size HK45 was a retarded afterthought just extended the frame enjoy your 10 round mag literally getting mogged on by an M&P45.

HK45C did for the USP45C what the P2000 did for the USP9/40C - improved it.m - compact USP's while great had plenty of room for improvement.

But nothing can improve on the full size USP it's perfect

>>64147416
I own a USP40 and a USP45T and have shot the USP9.

IMHO the USP9 is extremely overbuilt and alot of gun for 9mm - naturally it has no problem with +p++.
The USP40 shares the frame (The USP was originally designed around .40) with the 9mm and is itself overbuilt - it makes .40 feel like shooting subsonic 9mm.
Both the 40 and 45 take pissing hot loads - the 40 takes Buffalo bore like a champ and is the best .40 Ive ever shot, and the 45 takes the gamut of .45 super.
I don't thing I'll end up getting a 9mm slide and barrel - the only good thing about getting a 9 is you can get assembled .40 slides cheap.

>>64147436
>standard
A quick match flat spring ($12) swap fixes that - at least with the newest USP's. They can also just buy a LEM.

More importantly the USP has a wide swathe of trigger configurations that the Mk23 does not and cannot have- My USP45 is rocking the grey ghost SRT, match flat spring, and a reduced power hammer spring and I swapped the safety to the v4 decock only, also swapped out the lever for the USP compacts.
My USP40 has the LEM match hybrid
Both setups are vastly superior to the Mk23

>>64148394
a rifle above 2500 fps you can

>>64149597
all that and the mk23 still mogs it

>>64149727
Okay then Solid Snake

>>64146892 (OP)
Buy the USP Match if you really want to.

>>64146892 (OP)
heckler and cock

guns for the shooting man

but so, so ugly. their coolest looking one is expensive and has been around forever for this exact reason.

>>64146892 (OP)
You should. I have one, and I love it

Is the trigger on par with the 1911?

>>64146892 (OP)
Get it

My first was the Expert and then I got the Custom Sport

>>64147448
>>64149540
>>64147158
>>64147738
>>64147416
>USP in 9mm
>mill out

This video by James Williamson , in the first 30 mins discusses and shows the USP 9/40/45-->Mk 23-->USP 45 Tactical-->P2000-->HK 45 evolution and differences in frames, slides and mil requirements for each of the pistols:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkwjbQo16ZE

>>64149422
yes they even talk about the 1990s specops using 1911s and HK making a 'better version' of those

>>64149597
Not that anon, but I've worked on my USPs quite a bit and nothing I've done to them comes close to the magic that my USP Elite has when it comes to the trigger. I heard the USP Elite is extra hand fitted and I believe it based on performance alone. I've never owned an HK MK23. But I'd imagine if they handfit the USP Elite to that extent, they probably do it to the MK23 as well. Perhaps even more given how people rave about it's trigger

>want to buy an LTT Mk23 with Aimpoint ACRO
>they're over $3k
>and the KAC Mk23 silencer is sold out everywhere
At least I have a copsurp USP45 I snagged a long time ago. I haven't seen any batches of those go up for sale in years.

I wished I could find full sized USPs but everyone just has the compacts. Admittedly it's also way easier to find the holster for those ..

I had to buy a USP my self no idea why probably rainbow 6 video games. I bought it in.40 as it was originally designed for. It's the only 40 that reliably chambers the semiwade cutter shape of every.40 cartridge. The thing is sold as a brick accurate with adjustable rear sight and the slide sounds and feels like it's on roller bearing. Definitely buy a USP. And the mag release is with the index finger not the thumb

>>64154728
>mag release for index finger
Am I retarded for having used my middle finger for the past 20 years? Even for button release releases.

>>64155202
No, it's fine. (In the James W. video posted just ^^^up he says the paddles are intended to be used by index, middle finger or thumb)

>>64148168
FBI also has (at least some degree of) armor and automotive glass penetration requirement.
Given what, not only FBI but police in a large urban population center would typically encounter i.e. shooting at gangbangers in cars or from the inside of their own patrol cruisers through windshield, I'd want .40 not 9 mm

>>64155437
>armor and automotive glass penetration requirement
Came out of the Miami shootout.
That engagement changed the course of modern firearms.
>38spcl no good
>need bigger, faster boolits
>10mm is born, which would be too faster, so 40S&W
>shotguns no good
>beginning of slow march to "need patrol rifle"
>beginning of "carry good body armor in trunk"
>beginning of better body armor testing standards
>beginning of some concept of IFAK / stop the bleed

>>64154650
It’s easy to find a holster for any HK, I have one for my USP Match .45 which isn’t even a production model lmao.

>>64147559
It's the same thing ricers used to do with cars. "I can put an Ebay turbo on my shitbox with a 1.8 liter engine, therefore all engines larger than that are obsolete."

>>64147559
Velocity retard

HKs can use supers so it's not an issue here

>>64156527
True.

Beyond all the quibbling over 'the numbers' and decades of field/lab/gelblock/faketorso testing on "which round penetrates-kills better" it goes back to my post (You) replied to:
if ? I was a just a regular beat cop—not SWAT, or a federal agent—or deputy sheriff and had been indoctrinated at police academy with *all* of the post-1986-Miami greentext that has filtered into, throughout U.S. law enforcement training and doctrine broadly i.e. not just for specops operating operator swatfbi doorkickers, and I was told "here you go, Officer Frenly, this is your new patrol handgun" I'd want it to be a larger caliber than 9 mm.

>>64156559
I wanted a IWB with a light on mine. Just came in today and I like it very much.

>>64156559
It is so much easier than it used to be. Back in 2010 it was damn near impossible to find IWB holsters for my HK45C and there were only a few decent USPC options. How all these custom kydex companies make it super easy. Currently using an Odin Tactical Valknut for my 45 and a Muddy River Tactical AIWB for my USPC. Looking at a Craft Holsters for a vertical shoulder holster for my 45 next.

>>64157333
I was going to get mine >>64157301 from black rhino concealment since I got my Steyr's holster from then and they had molds for LITERALLY everything but they went under before they made mine so I went with the Odin instead. Was also looking at maybe getting a shoulder holster from those craft guys but that faggot with the beard in their videos creeps me out

>>64157349
I feel ya, his accent makes it slightly better but not by much. It does look like a nice holster though. I was looking into Black Rhino before my purchase, I didn't know they went under. I was going to go with Muddy River for my 45 but it turns out they make a holster for every model of HK except the 45C. I like how your holster looks, I went with monoblock clips but I might need to try your setup to see how I like it.

>>64157381
Yeah I ordered it back in like may, checked in a month later saw nothing, next month I noticed they had apparently stopped taking new orders to deal with a backlog which is never a good sign and then last month I checked and they announced they were closing doors and no orders would be shipped and to issue a charge back to get a refund. From what little i heard about them is someone behind the scenes died and it fell apart after.

>>64157381
>>64157444
I prefer tuckable clips because I'm usually wearing a button down of some variety which is also apparently a rarity

I messed up bidding on what I thought was a full size, only to realize it’s the 45C. Are there any serious differences aside from size and the dual spring recoil system?

>>64147402
>Eats anything ypu feed it

so do most guns

>>64158320
Watch the James Williamson video ^^^upthread
complete rundown on USP series---HK 45, 45C and everything between including Mk 23

>>64158320
Functionally identical, however when it comes to ergonomics think the full size as a P30 whereas the compact is a P2000, all with USP style controls. I prefer the 45C ergonomics and thats why I don't have a full size. Something weird about the mag release in my hands with the full size/P30 that I've heard the Vickers Mod fixes. You can still get the same mag capacity, I have 10 round mags for the 45C and thats standard for the full size. When I carry it I just run an 8 rounder in the gun for concealment and a 10 or HK parts 12 extended as a backup.

>>64146892 (OP)
you should get it, its one of my favorite guns to shoot. i have the grey frame one

>>64158320
>>64158862
And if you don't want to lose barrel length either get the tactical model or get a threaded barrel for it. Puts it up over 4 inches

>>64149431
>airshit

>>64156695
>'Velocity'
?
so what
what does 'new bullet' have to do with that
Any round no matter the caliber can change bullet weights (or powder loads)
The point of my post (You) replied to is that up-loading or "up-bulleting" of 9 mm is meh, when the same thing can be done to .40 or .45 ACP

>HK
Yes they _can_ fire Super doesn't mean you ought, idk what the Factory manual says for the USP 45 but the HK 45 manual says: yes you can fire Super in this handgun, it invalidates the warranty.
Both USP 45 and HK 45 can easily handle +P and is Ok'd the factory manual

>>64156678
Exactly.

>>64146892 (OP)
how do you tell if a new USP 45 comes with flat magazines like the OP or ones with the weird fin on the bottom? is it a year thing?

>>64162347
Does it matter? You can just get whichever magazine you want separately.

9mm or 45 for the last polymer handgun I ever need to buy for durability and aesthetic reasons

>>64162902
Get an HK 45 >>64146975
don't look back fren

Also every anon itt watch the James Williamson armorer vid ------- #64150508
(particularly USP fans)

>>64147837
>he uses the reddit system

Totally not a tourist, right friend? :^)

it's a cool gun bro

>>64162430
>mfw just finding this out after my 12th glock

>>64149422
>A1 with HK logo slapped on it
lmao Delta was using fully custom 1911s with all the bells and whistles. They wouldn’t have been interested in that.

>>64148107
Fourty-Fag Automatically Circumcised Penis is a round solely for people too weak or retarded to use a real round like 22tcm or 7.5 fk.

>>64163145
>being proud of niggerfying your imageboard experience
pathetic

>>64163210
See the James Williamson video >>64150508
upthread, that picrel is discussed along with SF looking for HK alternatives chambered in .45 ACP (leading to the Mk 23, USP etc.)

God I wish I could find a used fullsize USP, all I can find are compacts

>>64166303
>fullsize USP
Keep looking (if that's what you really want). Pre-owned market is regularly chucking them up, just like all handguns

>>64166303
saw one on gunbroker last night for like 580 with one bid and (now) 5 hours left on it

>>64146975
>HK45
As the owner of a USP45 and P30, I suspect the HK45 is better than the USP due to the P30-like ergos and the trigger. It's nice to have a pic rail too so you don't have to fuck around with adapters to mount a light.

10 rounds in a .45 is perfectly adequate and, in my opinion, it's worth giving up those extra 2 rounds for superior ergos. If it bugs people so much, they can easily get extensions. Nobody CCs these anyway.

Despite those nice things, I haven't bought one because I don't need another HK .45, don't want to buy a new set of mags, and they don't even make them in Germany anymore which mildly irritates me

>>64146892 (OP)
>>64146910
sovlful and based. pull the trigger anon. I will eventually after I get some more grails that are higher on the list.

>>64170195
>10 rounds in a .45 is perfectly adequate
Agreed and idk why this is *always* 1st criticism/caveat leveled (maybe ? it's the sole cope they can muster) in comparison.

>>64171474
Some people can't seem to escape the moar bulet moar better mindset.

>>64146910
USP Expert for like half the cost and feels like the Big Gun(TM)

>>64171474
A decent chunk of it is probably newgunz who hear "capacity is king" and think they know everything. It's /k/ after all, there is probably somebody posting strong opinions itt who has never encountered either pistol irl

The rest is probably people who are genuinely irritated by the HK45 being slightly taller than the USP while having less capacity. It is a little frustrating, especially if you don't care about the ergonomic benefit. Like I said, I value the ergonomics over those extra 2 rounds, but surely not everyone feels the same way.

>>64172867
(points taken, and) There are many advancements and advantages to the HK 45 design over the USP aside from form factor. Anons see the armorer video -‐-- #64150508
Yes as you say: those that have never held or fired the pistol in person, either.

>taller
With all of the enthusiasm for handgun slide-mounted optics these days, can't comprehend how this tiny (0.3 in.) difference is an issue particularly in full size pistols

>>64147559
Because semi auto tech has revolutionized the industry, bringing a 9mm effectiveness up without upsizing ammo and reducing round count is preferable over making the 45 even stronger. Gun fights have changed and police used to be taught to shoot their service revolver once, wait, see if the perp is down, then shoot again. Now we can carry 20+1 9mm HP and put a few holes in the perp before checking if he stopped acting up.

>>64172939
>There are many advancements and advantages to the HK 45 design over the USP aside from form factor.
For sure.

>With all of the enthusiasm for handgun slide-mounted optics these days, can't comprehend how this tiny (0.3 in.) difference is an issue particularly in full size pistols
I'm with you there - especially because people don't really concealed carry these particular full size HK .45s

>>64172984
Yeah I'm definitely an outlier carrying my>>64157301 fullsize USP. There's a reason I had such a hard time finding a holster while plenty of sites had some USPc options

>>64172982
>Gun fights have changed
How?

>>64146892 (OP)
I got one in 9mm and I love it

>>64173148
nice
I'd eventually like to pick up one of the German P8 or P10s

>>64173148
>newports
post hands.

I got mine almost 5 years ago and it's been a wonderful handgun
I just wish I had a big stockpile of .45 ACP for it and the 1911

>>64173099
Niggers with switches

>>64146892 (OP)
the triggers are flexible plastic. its a shit gun

>>64173962
hes got a g59 records hat, smokes newports, and has enough money for a an hk

almost assuredly a larping wigger of some sort

>>64174882
>its a shit gun

>>64171474
Because the Glock 21 holds 13 rounds, and for a long time the HK45's closest competitor was the FNX-45, which has not only a higher capacity but also an optics cut. The price of the fullsize HK45 has gone down considerably (it's cheaper than the 45C now), but for many years it was almost neck-and-neck with the FN in price.

>>64172867
Conversely, I find "muh ergos" a cope beyond a certain point and would never trade my USP for an HK45 precisely because it carries more rounds and looks cooler. It's not like the USP is ergonomically bad, it's not a glock.

Uspc 45 is the peak of the USP and only the full size 45 is better

>>64146892 (OP)
The USP's mag release makes me want to kill myself.

>>64176637
You can get the extended one for like 30 bucks

This thread convinced me to buy an HK45 for CCW (I already have a fullsize USP45), but should I buy the C or CT? DA/SA or LEM?

>>64176674
There is a CT on Gunbroker with three mags, the box, and a holster for $750.

hk anons tell me what to think about the elite's long uncircumcised teutonic barrel. is it based or cringe

>>64176559
>price
Wrong. HK 45 prices have stayed the same since its introduction, also many HK handgun prices have been seasonal / dependent upon manufacturer supply for the past two decades (not to mention the previously owned market), it's been possible to find the pistols at big discounts on and off over the years direct MSRP. There's not a 'fixed' MSRP for HK pistols, it goes up and down depending on what HK themselves are doing/producing.
The rest of (You)r post is vacant-brain nogunz plebbitard slop

>>64174850
What's stopping you?

>>64176637
Use literally any other finger

>>64176586
>it carries more rounds and looks cooler
For sure.
>It's not like the USP is ergonomically bad, it's not a glock.
You misunderstand me, The USP ergos are not bad. I don't even think Glock ergos are bad, to be honest. I'm just saying the HK45 ergos are much better than either, at least for me personally.

>>64177508
he would have been shot the moment he moved. stop living vicariously through movie characters.

Get it, I have a full size UPS .45 in LEM and the LEM is the best. I shoot 185gr. You get 9mm velocity that shoots even better than a 9mm. It is an insane feet they pulled this engineering feat off. Also, I have had it for 10 years and never ever had one failure and I carry it daily for work.

>>64146892 (OP)
Only reason not to get it besides the ones you already said you don’t care about is whether or not you like polymer frames. Steel/alloy framed shoots nicer, but it’s not like polymer framed 45s are uncontrollable or some shit.

>>64181531
>185gr 45acp shoots with 9mm velocity
Are we talking about +p loads? If not those rounds are a hair slower than the heaviest and least common 147gr 9mm loads. Don’t tell me that you trusted the velocity printed on the box.

>>64150162
Nothing can compare to a 1911's trigger sadly. A tuned 1911 is still one of the best fighting handguns you can buy, but they're not an economical option and require a lot of hand-fitting.

>>64183132
>1911 trigger
Yes the 1911 still a century later has a superior trigger to almost any modern handgun (hammer or striker-fired).
Doesn't mean the other 1911 characteristics are necessarily so worthy in comparison to those of modern pistols. And I love 1911s

I desperately want a USP45, but I live in California and it's not on the roster anymore. So I have to put with the secondary market, but everyone jacks up the prices so used guns cost as much if not more than MSRP. Shit sucks man.

>>64184491
Is HK 45 on the California roster?

>>64176632
The dual recoil springs of the full size tho.
USP40 shoots pissing hot loads and recoils like a metal full size 9mm, the USP 9mm recoils like a .32.
USPC 45 actually gets mogged by the HK45C whereas the full size HK45 is mogged by USP45
>>64172939
Going with an elongated USPC mag for the full size HK45 was a full retard afterthought and you know it. It was developed as a compact. 45 and the HK45C came first.
12+1 USP45 isn't a major leap from a G21's 13+1 or the FNX45's 15+1, esp. considering the well made +1 and +2 extensions bridge the gap.
10+1 on the HK45 is huge however, the system is gimped by USPc 45 mags. Most people glance at the HK45 and just buy the M&P45 at damn near half the price if 10+1 is good enough for them

>>64170195
Will HK45 even cycle .45 super though?
Everything you just said also applies to the M&P45

>>64184541
>another walloftext
Back to plebbit, brainlet.

>>64184553
>'even cycle'
Neither the USP or HK 45 is designed for Super >>64160819 (<--though yes, they 'can shoot' it)
+P is factory approved for both

>>64184493
Nope, only P2000s and VP9s.
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=151014

>>64148379
>Buy USP .45 because of Collateral
>play STALKER 2
>want USP .45 Tactical

>>64184931
That's just a slide swap at least. Don't need a whole new frame

>>64179322
No

>>64176723
you tell me

>>64184931
the Tactical seems like the "ideal" version but half the reason I want a USP is for the cool square look that is ruined by the barrel nub desu

>>64184493
nah

>>64184584
>>64188812
What (specifically) disqualified it?

>>64146910
H&K MK 23 is too damn big for carry unless you're a Nephilim.

>>64147068
Instead of going full send and trying to repeal the entirety of the NFA, Republicans should focus on an easier target for now, the 1968 GCA. Imagine being able to get these straight from Germoney without having to worry about 922R compliance?

>>64146892 (OP)
it is still the best all around pistol that you can own except for maybe the tactical model. Just get some trijicon HDs/bright and tough and youre good to go

>>64189725
Every pistol on the roster has to pass the following tests and have 2 """safety""" features

>a firing test without malfunctioning
>a drop safety test
>loaded chamber indicator
>magazine disconnect safety

HK45s don't have the magazine disconnect safety, so they don't pass.

Imagine living in a world where a mag disconnect is considered a vital safety feature.

>>64189851
>>64189851
>pass tests, have 2 """safety""" features
>magazine disconnect safety
Understood, thanks anon

>>64190022
checked, that's gov for you

>>64189742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeHSSTSsMEQ

>>64176723
Fucking love mine. I got the match weight comp and it shoots so easy it feels like cheating.

>>64190533
>mexican carry a MK23
well then

Bought it for $420 owned it for 5 years sold it for $600, variety is the spice of life but I’d rather just get more trigger time on my Glock. Definitely 2nd kind of cool. Also p2000 is booty hole.

>>64151344
>KAC suppressor
dude, KAC don't make suppressors for the 23 anymore, you have to get a B&T impulse II for the Mk23 instead

>>64162347
>>64162430
Any place sell the 12 round mag bodies (just the metal body) that isn't (((HKParts))) ? EGW/MGW had them yonks ago but long since sold out and never restocked.

>>64174850
Knew I wasn't the only one who liked this gun for Best Girl

>>64176637
If all your posts are like this, you should

Get one, it is objectively the best full size handgun in 2025. 45 ACP is far superior to reddit 9mm.

>>64194474
>'objectively'
>best in 2025
HK 45 is better. But yes, it's (still) excellent and one of the finest .45 ACPs available, and .40 S&W and .45 are superior to 9 mm

>>64176632
>full size 45
HK 45, yes.

>>64194474
>in 2025
uhh since 1911 that hasn't been true

>>64194474
>>64194701
HK45 might be better but it has that M&P mall ninja look no one even considering spending $1000 on a USP is looking for that

>>64146892 (OP)
every time I think about buying one the tiny rails trigger my OCD, they are tiny for a "durable" gun

>>64196681
>$1000 on a USP
Doesn't need to be that much (for either a USP or HK 45)
search, wait around for pre-owned
or for HK to do one of its periodic price drops, inventory purges

>>64194701
>>64196681
>hk45
No dual recoil spring, less capacity, less soul, was made for handlets.
>>64196563
John browning would’ve invented a USP type pistol if he lived in the 90s probably.

>>64196563
>>64196563
>>64196563
what's that? 45 doublestack?

>>64147295
cz 600 trail

>>64196759
They are but the proof is there. They did the engineering right on it

>>64146892 (OP)
>Less capacity than a gen 3 glock 19
>exclusively used by redditors to shoot at paper 5 feet away
>the official gun of /pol/
sounds gay

>>64197913
Say sike rn

>>64197235
Yeah, some sort of it.

>>64197913
At least Helmut Weldle never had to jerk off a horse.

>>64197913
USP 45
>shoots 45 acp, 13 rounds of 45 acp ≈ 130 rounds of 9mm
>exclusively used by OPERATORS
>the official gun of OPERATORS
G19
>shoots 9mm, only in service because of limp wristing women
>exclusively used by cucks, hood rats and normies
>official gun of /r/Liberalgunowners

criminal lack of Misato posts itt

>>64197224
Wrong. All of it

---------- >>64150508

>>64146892 (OP)
I always wanted one of the .45s with a stainless slide. That was THE pistol to have according to all the gun magazines and books in the mid-90s.

Post rare Misatos

>>64197913
>/pol/ baaaad
The same people that want to take your guns are the same people that want to take your everything else, slowly transforming the social landscape into a permanent techno-feudalist hellhole featuring struggle sessions and an eternal rental/subscription consumptive cycle. It's /k/ who refuses to stop lying about guns they've never owned or shot, let alone look past their nose at geopolitics with even the slightest critical eye. /pol/ may be full of retards and browns and brown retards, but at least they don't play pretend like they go to the range more than once a year. Fuck off. Tired of you fat retards and your "muh pol".

>>64200408
Tourists outing themselves with unsolicited kvetching about /pol/ is my favorite tell. This is one of the last few spaces online not overrun by tranny jannies. Leftist thought requires extensive censorship to survive whereas any space with free speech inevitably trends rightward over time.
That's why /pol/ - the essence of original 4chan - belongs here and they don't.

>replay HL2 and add-ons on Orange Box six weeks ago
>MGS playthrough two weeks later
>Glock does gay shit this week so I plan on changing my carry out
>this thread appears
That's it, it's time. When are the best HK deals, usually?

>>64200521
Well the best deal you'll find is through friend of the industry deal as HK has a 40% one apparently so go work at your LGS.
Otherwise honestly look at the used market for USPs and USPCs. They and the Mk23 are probably the best gun to buy used since the hold up so well. If you are planning on CCing it I would recommend the USPc if only due to holster availability.

>>64198357
Based Tomb Raider fan

>>64198176
>>64200380
>>64197980

Not all heroes wear capes. TYFYS

>>64200509
>
reads like an AI fart

Bumpan

>>64198176
>>64200380
>>64202716
>>64206882
Anon you can't hide. We all know you're not actually a purple thing fag but a foot fag

>>64200544
>look at the used market
checked, as recommended multiple times upthread

>>64207411
And mommy Misato has top tier feet what's your point
>captcha NGRA4

>>64200408
also notice thats the same frogposter meme glownigger with the Maryland/NoVa swamp DoD procurement contractor 'consensus view'
/k/ is like cnn or msnbc, nothing but paid platform establishment gatekeeper shills from stem to stern
>'N-no you will *not* go there!1!!1!'

>>64147043
>appeal is the square look
Sure and that's cool if care about appearance over function and updated engineering, ergonomics

>>64147260
It's old. Get an HK 45 (which has a pic rail and better handgrip)

>>64147950
>they're not uncommon
>been around for a long time
Correct and excellent post. Plenty of USP 45s (and of course many other modern handguns of all brands) available pre-owned. If you're patient and gradual in seeking, it's possible to end up with one near-NIB and accumulate half dozen mags to go with it for under $1K, a full rig

>>64146892 (OP)
IT'S NOT A SOLJA'S GUN

never say die

>>64147795
>all handguns suck
>Get a rifle
Truer words never said.
As regards modern pistols HK rule the roost

>>64181531
>>64181596
HK .45 ACP handguns loaded with +P btfo any 9 mm

>>64175320
>>64174882
>"UNRELIABLE"

>>64146892 (OP)
it has a premium feel and its really cool, but its also big, dad had one in grey and black, also a glock compact between others but the compact is convenient to compare with, the compact felt incredible to the hand compared to this one because it was a lot lighter and smaller so confortable to handle to my 16 yo bitcharms, hk is cool and sexy and premium would be perfect for home defense but a bit bulky to carry around unless you are a hitman or something

>>64146892 (OP)
I want one in 10mm

>>64219447
you could have one converted/customized

>>64219644
holy shit you've opened my eyes.
god i wanna feel my plastic brick fly on my hands with 180 grain bullets, god bless you anon.

>>64146892 (OP)
they are quality guns. can be upgraded too.

>>64220855
Only real draw back to the USP is the price and the fact that after market parts are little harder to find (read more expensive) than similar handguns. Basically if you have money get one, if you're on a budget get a M&P.

>>64220915
you right

>>64156771
youre kind of a retard then as you're ignoring the issue of capacity

>>64212911
>Sure and that's cool if care about appearance over function and updated engineering, ergonomics

no one is buying a 40 year old weeaboo gun because they want the latest and greatest tech

>>64221374
>hurr durr
Cops don't care about that, the more rounds they fire in an encounter the more trouble they're in from the local D.A.
What's the capacity of 10 mm handguns?

>"ignoring"
(You) are ignorant.

>HK discontinued the USP even in what was a captive market in California
It's pretty much over. Though I don't understand why they'd quit making it altogether when the P8A1 is still being made with presumably 100% of the same tooling.

>>64222452
where are you getting they discontinued it?

>>64222664
Even if they did it'd still be available pre-owned.