Thread 64152726

AK General /akg/
We Break Parts Edition
>Thread #2074

Old thread here >>64123733

AK Buyer's Guides

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>>64152726 (OP)
1st for ak frens

peAK

I, for one, love my WBP =)

Cast bolt, billet trunnion, what isn’t there to love?

Hopefully this is a good place to ask but would anyone be interested in a KPYK AKM stock? I opened it to see if it would fit into my reciever and it didnt, its brand new.

>>64153041
>opened it to see if it would fit into my reciever and it didnt
What AK didn't it fit?

>>64153051
Well, it's partially my fault for being over ambitious I guess.
It is a Chinese Saiga/Vepr clone, since I missed out on those before sanctions and always thought they were neat. I have a Novus PDS-1 (1P87 clone) on it with a GK-01 brake and needed something with a cheek rest. I thought that would be interesting to put on. The dimensions are off by like 1mm or so, almost makes me think the reciever is RPK based, and I really dont feel like DIY'ing anything else. But yeah, if someone wants it I'm willing to let it go at a decent price. It's literally brand new, just opened.

>>64153080
You can't just return it for a refund?

>>64153022
looking forward to more schizo kvetching from you this thread

>>64153092
According to the website that I got it from, I dont think so (AKguys). I haven't asked exactly but it is on the product page of theirs so most likely so. Which sucks because I talked to the staff there and provided measurements and that is what was suggested for my reciever. Granted this is the first AK platform that I've owned and I'm learning how much variation there is in everything.

>>64153080
>Saiga/Vepr clone
Those are not synonymous. It's one or the other.

>>64153022
So if WBP's, Wasr's, PSA's, Pioneer's, Zastava's, Beryl's, Riley's and Norinco's suck, what AK should I get.

>>64153141
Polytech, obviously.

>>64153141
WASRs, Beryls and Norincos are good to go. Zastavas are fine if you don’t plan on changing the FCG and if you enjoy carrying an extra pound of dead weight for no reason. Proceed with caution with all commercial brands like Pioneer, PSA, WBP, etc.

>>64153132
Oh, well specifically it's one of the JTS M12AK-T1 shotguns. As I understand it, it's closer to a Vepr but has elements from both. I could be wrong though. I know it's not the nicest thing in the world, It hasnt been bad at all for me so far.

>>64153123
That's kinda bullshit. If the staff told you this specific product would work on your specific gun it should be on them. I would call them again and see before selling it at a loss

>>64153123
Maybe there's a way to just shave off that extra 1mm?

>>64153171
Different anon, take a pic of the front of the stock (where it interfaces with the rear of your rifle)

>>64153165
spoken like a true non AK owner

>>64153141
Only option left is dropping 2 grand on an arsenal. Otherwise you bought gayidiotfagtrash.

>>64152846
That's damn pretty. I've almost got the cash together for mine. Im psyched.

>>64153273
>shartsenal
Hello yes I would like to pay $2k for a rifle with a shit finish built from military reject parts and nonconcentric barrels please!

>>64153022
i love how one picture of a broken bolt sends AK fags into a spiral. Same thing happen with Zastava a few years back... then it turned out Zastavas are great (which we already knew of course)

>>64153273
or getting a solid parts kit and having a competent builder throw it all together for you

>>64153022
bloody bastard

>>64153284
My take away from this is I should just buy another PSA AR-15 instead of buying an AK

>>64153291
How much does that cost?

>>64153303
No, you should buy a WASR and stop overthinking it.
It's literally the perfect AKM.

>>64153254
Yeah, I'll reach out to them and see if theres any alternative so a resolution could be met. Thanks. Part of me though, at this point I'm fine with the regular stock.
>>64153262
I considered that as well, but then at that point the cerakote would be ruined, and it'd be mated to that reciever forever at that point, it could never go onto another platform. There's the block though. I'm wondering at this point would that even be decent to handle the recoil of a 12 gauge, or would your shoulder take more of the brunt with that one.
>>64153270
Maybe that picture will be helpful to you as well. I really just think its my reciever though, I understand that the Chinese ones can have dimensions that are off slightly. Either way, live and learn I guess.

>>64153171
>JTS M12AK-T1
>it's closer to a Vepr but has elements from both
It does appear to be more VEPR like, but I'm not intimately knowledgeable with the turk clones.
>I know it's not the nicest thing in the world, It hasnt been bad at all for me so far
Fuck it, if it works it works.
Now I'm kind of curious what dimensions you could've given them to where they would think an AKM stock would fit. Seeing as they have an RPK variant stock as well.
Did you mike it or just use a tape measure? Maybe email them and see if you could send it back and them send out the RPK version?

>>64153307
depends on the kit and the builder

>>64153310
But 7.62x39 expensive :(

>>64153311
It looks like an AKM insert. Do you own or have access to one to see if it'll fit?

>>64153318
>>64153307
Builders usually start at $400 but can certainly go higher. Meridian quoted me $1200 to build an AKM and that's a hilarious joke.
$450 is what I'd expect to pay to have an AKM built. I had an AKS-74 built and it was $600 due to the extra machine time.
AK kits are gonna be $350 at the very cheapest (Romanian md63), $1100 for a Soviet AKM, and other kits anywhere around those prices.
Barrels are $150 (FB Radom)
Receivers $150 (Childers, ReCreator)

>>64153171
I have one of those and I could have sworn I tried putting a magpul stock on it but gave up because the opening was too tall and there was a weird gap

>>64153317
Well, it's Chinese in origin. The reciever is stamped with Chongqing Jianshe Group. The importer is Xisico, which happens to be in Katy TX, right outside of Houston. Theres speculation that there's some Norinco connection there, I'm not exactly sure though. I have a feeling that this will go the way of every 12 gauge AK patterned clone that makes its way over here. I used a tape measure and took measurements of the old stock block and the internal measurements of the stock. I did email them, we'll see what they say.
>>64153321
No, this is my first foray into AK pattern stuff. I always thought the 12 gauge AK stuff was interesting.
>>64153353
Yeah, I know the gap you're talking about. Kinda frustrating that they would deviate from basic reciever dimensions. I had a plan to make a shim of neoprene rubber and put it in there. I believe the gap is like 1/8th of an inch. From there I wanted to make a mold of the internals using a 3d printer and mold a more permanent, and removable drop in shim using jb weld, but idk. I think I just want to kep the OEM stock on. It's frustrating. I wondered about the stress on the reciever with that small gap, even though the wedge block would mate the surfaces together.

>>64153303
you... are not wrong lmao

>>64153310
>perfect AKM
calm down. Just as we discussed last thread, WASRs have only become decent AKs because imports left and right have dried up. They got a bronze medal on account of the fact that 10 other competitors died in a plane crash. Your no-dimple gypsy gun will never be superior to a FEG, Norinco, Russian, etc.

>Already committed to a Galil MAR build
>Planning on sending DPM kit off next month
>Recreator drops their AK-12 kit an hour ago
I’m going to kms

>>64153416
>Well, it's Chinese in origin
See, I'm so retarded I didn't even pay attention to which import it is. My bad.
Hopefully they do you right after they screwed up. Especially since it's a pretty easy fix of swapping out the AKM one for the RPK. Unless there's some big price discrepancy between the two.
Enjoy the chinky blaster, hope your stock situation gets worked out.
>Also, post it nigger. How are we supposed to shit on your taste in guns properly if you don't show it off
Like why are you putting a $400 stock on $300 chinkshit when you could just buy a VEPR and have the best. :)

>>64153500
Get back to work then, dubs.
Those toys aren't gonna pay for themselves.

>>64152846
Nice rifle

>>64153416
Welcome to AKs kid

>>64153311
FWIW IIRC the Chinese AKs are slightly off-spec in some places like the rear trunnion/stock area. Tried an NHM91 stock on my WASR. The tang didn't quite match up (IIRC would have to drill another hole) and the tang slot was a little long. Also the screw hole in the pistol grip didn't quite line up with my gun so that might also be proprietary (though being a thumbhole stock, I'm not sure how much of that area is different compared to an unmolested preban). AKs can be funky and vary country to country like that ever so slightly. Also didn't China not get the TDP and have to basically reverse-engineer their AKs?

>>64153171
>AK shotgun
oh fuck I'm retarded and can't read

>>64152846
Will
Break
Prematurely
>>64153286
I think its because we all had high hopes for WBP so there’s a little heartbreak finding out that they lied to the American market.

>>64153591
>we all had high hopes for WBP
lmao

>>64153607
Its frustrating, WBP was supposed to be the chosen one for newfags. A fucking drunk male prostitute Romanian WASR that comes with cheap furniture, no bayonet lug and no cleaning rod is the only good import left. AKs are fucking dead in 2025, especially now with ammo prices. New AK shooters have been filtered out permanently. I sound like a total boomer but man I’m glad I got mine before it all went to shit.

>>64153550
why do they look so much better than anything else out there

>>64153626
>look
Don’t fall for the pretty finish anon, WBP uses billet trunnions and cast bolts.

>>64153632
bro you are obsessed

>>64152726 (OP)
>wbp owners still seething
all you had to do was listen

>>64153642
make another youtube video about it Lemonhead

>>64153500
>Recreator drops their AK-12 kit an hour ago
What, no shit? Its not on their website.

>>64153651
They say that the core parts ship now and add ons ship later
https://www.recreatorblanks.com/online-store/AK12-Clone-Parts-Kit-5-45x39-p624074785

>>64153651
>>64153661
Happy for Matt but aren't there only a handful of builders who can properly do an AK-12 build? It's not the same as the rest of em.
CW Gunwerks, Two Rivers Arms, M13, Meridian all do them but not for cheap

>>64153661
Jeeze thats expensive for US made slop

>>64153661
Hahaha why would anybody want this?

>Please let me pay through the nose to recreate the worst AK ever produced

>>64153681
As opposed to 2025 Russian-made slop? I'll take American thanks.

>>64153685
Anon, I

>>64153704
...am a faggot I know. It's fine its 2025 nobody cares anymore.

>>64153671
I was planning on doing it myself, I think I have everything except for the bump rivet jig. I know there’s something goofy with the gas tube, but I was just going to call them and ask if I should just use a tig or silver solder. Oh well, hopefully they have another run in the future.
>>64153684
Debilitating cloner autism.

tupperware furniture arrived today, getting me a WBP to make a clone AKM-63. Don't care much for the WBP retard opinions.

>>64153775
A fragile trunnion/bolt for a fragile set of furniture seems appropriate tbqh.

Saigatranny ywnbaw

>>64153775
Why would you buy fake amd-65 furniture

>>64153317
Not same anon but, Is the regular OG Chynx 12 unobtainium now??

>>64154011
Bruv I couldn't even tell that was a chink clone and not a turk clone and you somehow think I'm aware of the availability of another Chinese clone?
Stop washing your hands with brake cleaner m8.
>Also it's apparently not available on the primary market so kinda i guess?

I should've got a 5.56 since my AK isn't real anyway (PSA)

>>64153626
bolt carrier in the white and more cleanly machined than most AKs i've ever seen (im not joking, clearly their machining is more detailed than the big old military factory line, whodathunk), the WBP wood furniture is perfect, and the slight sheen to the receiver looks clean

>>64153632
>cast bolts
eh?

>>64154055
It was the only good clone, made at a type 56 factory and apparently ran better than real saiga 12. People were talking them up a couple years ago but by the time I got around to getting one I couldn't find them.
>Not expecting you to give a shit

just further explaining why I asked to begin with

>>64153775
Based

>>64154153
he's an obsessed bullshitter with a hate boner for WBP making shit up, he's half of all the posts in the last 2 threads

>>64154153
Look at the grain structure of the recent catastrophic bolt failures and it’s obvious that they’re cast.

>>64154169
Fair enough.
>by the time I got around to getting one I couldn't find them
That's how the AK market has always been.
Here today, "Rare and Banned, I know what I got" tomorrow.

>>64154011
If you're referring to the Lynx 12, then yes. For some reason all AK patterned 12 gauges all disappear in the USA shortly after release. Another interesting one was the Cherry's Arms Comrade TAK 47. That one was made jointly between New Zealand and China.
>>64153523
Yeah, I mean if not, idk.. I may consider sanding the aluminum sides of the part of the stock that mates with the receiver. It's about the width of a mechanical pencil lead of the material that'd have to come off. And mine was closer to 500 or so. Maybe tariffs affected the price. And Veprs quit existing at normal prices back in 2017. Saigas stopped around 2012 and they're all crazy expensive now. The stock wasn't that much either.

>>64153661
Why not the superior ak-15?

>>64154458
Was gonna disagree but I went looking at VEPR 12s and it's even worse than I imagined. Fucking boomers.
>The stock wasn't that much either.
Stop playin'. It's $330 for the fixed AKM version.

>>64153775
How would you put it on wbp?

>>64153632
Their finish is very nice, best in the market

>>64153283
Get it anon, you'll love it.

>>64154144
Yeah that about sums it up

>>64154659
with a screw like this, buy matching washer too
https://www.amazon.com/M6-1-0-Socket-Screws-Stainless-Machine/dp/B07GCKL9G5

>>64154711
what washer?

>>64154713
take it to a hardware store and ask for one that screws onto it

>>64154717
too hard

>>64154720
no blue furniture for you then

>>64153272
Nothing he said was wrong, except zastava is reddit post 2020 newguns faggot shit

>>64153453
lol your kit build trash or cope transition rifle is not a real AK

>>64153844
NTA but isn't the robin's egg blue AMD furniture much more (read: retardedly) rare as compared to the regular green?

>>64154458
There is also one I think is a Europe (UK?) only model named after another cat (also Chinese made). I think it might've been something like "Cheetah"? Saw it after Navy Arms imported a bunch of UK guns but it wasn't priced right for me (and I was broke as fuck after buying another gun). Probably same shit, different stamp, but still neat to know it exists. Looked through my pics and can't find it. Phone notes also exclude it (including those from that day) so maybe at best I might have the name in a physical notebook. Also would've been neat to have as it more than likely had British proofmarks as well. Most (if not all) of those guns did assuming they all came from the same country.

>>64153775
Post yours then, not pics from AoA's site.
>>64154873
>NTA but isn't the robin's egg blue AMD furniture much more (read: retardedly) rare as compared to the regular green?
It is, but people are claiming the current ones are repros. Also grey/black is the regular color of AMD polymer grips, not green.

>>64154954
Yeah that's what I mean, the light blue is rare and (dare I say) collectible. Therefore, it makes a lot of sense to save money buying repros (assuming the price matches) especially if that rifle will ever see any real use.
>black, not green
Damn it I was thinking it was one or the other and my AMD handguard and pistol grips are in a box ATM so I couldn't glance over at it. For some reason I swore it was very dark green.

>>64154963
>Therefore, it makes a lot of sense to save money buying repros (assuming the price matches) especially if that rifle will ever see any real use.
Yeah, but the argument is that AoA is saying they are the real deal NOS Hungarian grey/blue grips and stocks. So if they're repros, they're lying.
Or possibly they're repros made in Hungary so they can advertise as "Hungarian made, original blue stock and grip" and technically not be lying just scummy.
I haven't seen this "proof" because it's behind a login wall, and I don't care either way.
>claims probably by people trying to gate keep even harder to protect their boomer hordes on GB

>>64153775
Did you stop and ask yourself why AoA is selling a super rare expensive furniture set complete for $90 or is it just a constant spend consoom cycle for you?

>>64154662
The fit and finish is excellent. WBP put out a beautiful rifle. However you should be aware that you are buying a billet trunnion and a cast bolt, the heart of the rifle is absolute dog shit.

>>64155389
Because it's not actually rare?
Because they actually want to sell it and asking retard prices like gobroker boomers isn't gonna move product?
Because you're a prancing la-la homo man?
>bEcAuSe ItS fAkE?
Paki mags are "fake" too, but people still buy them so much that they're "rare".

>>64154227
what do you think it's supposed to look like when it breaks, perfectly smooth? lol

>>64155433
NTA but its clearly cast. Pic from last thread

>>64154872
then neither is your wasr

>>64154868
>except zastava is reddit post 2020
Zastava imports are better than ever right now, maybe except for prices

>>64153022
>>64155413

>>64155413
ONE PIC, I DON'T KNOW WHY

>>64153591
>>64153620
jesus christ stop being so cringe. You see one broken bolt and are sent into a schizo spiral lmao why dont you get a WBP and shoot it yourself

>>64155460
>IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY

>>64155438
>clearly
it's not a very clear image, and it's snapped, not cut. That is a drawing of a cross section so it's not like it's going to look exactly like that lol

>>64155466
>Please bro just buy my bags bro
No. I warned you retards about WBP and you didn’t listen.

>>64155475
wbp was fine for years right up until lemonhead ran out of stuff to complain about. Unlike you i am not convinced of a conspiracy from one or two pictures

>>64154526
Well, initially you said 400 so I had to be difficult. It's unfortunate about the Vepr and Saiga stuff though, those prices combined with the fact of the firearm being in a used condition as well, and theres no aftermarket support for integral parts as far as I know. Which I guess It'd be unlikely for anyone to shoot that much to wear something out but knowing that theres no replacements available is rough.
>>64154873
Do you mean this here? Part of me wonders why the clone producers dont just stick with one model and instead of making several different variations over the years, just improve upon one? Speaking of, Would anyone happen to know what equipment would be appropriate/correct as far as a shotgun loadout? The only thing I'm aware of are the 8-10 round molle pouches that SRVV made. What do those go onto though? The 6Sh112/6Sh117 load bearing vest doesnt really have a lot of molle support and those pouches look to be geared towards standard AK magazines. Is it something that is just improvised in the field, or by use scenario?

>>64155492
What’s the conspiracy? Billet trunnions are 100% confirmed and billet bolts are all but confirmed. The failures look suspiciously cast but it’s inconclusive. They are not real forgings, from AOA:
>These bolts are fully machined from forged steel just like the original military soviet era produced bolts.
I.e. milled billet. By the way this is NOT how original bolts were produced, they were real forgings (pic related). A piece of stock is hammered into the rough shape of the final part and then it’s finish milled. WBP just takes a piece of stock and mills it. The fact that the stock is forged doesn’t matter and is a red herring to trick the average consumer that doesn’t understand manufacturing.

Notice the difference between how AOA markets the billet trunnions vs forged bolt carriers:
Trunnion (also lying, originals were actually forged)
>100% machined from forged steel like the originals
Bolt carrier
>These are brand new production AKM47 7.62x39 cold hammer forged bolt carriers

It’s no coincidence that the only part that is actually forged is referred as “hammer forged”. All of this is coming directly from AOA and the WBP factory tour, not lemonigger. Post the video where he complained about this because as far as I know there isn’t one and he still stands behind WBP’s “good parts” and just claims that we get the QC rejects peppered in with good parts.

>>64156447
>What’s the conspiracy
lemonegro and his fans saying we're probably getting faulty parts with no evidence. He's just a schizo. He was saying the same thing about Zastava for a while IIRC but stopped.
>The fact that the stock is forged doesn’t matter and is a red herring to trick the average consumer that doesn’t understand manufacturing
you say this like well machined, forged billet falls apart. All of the WBP bolts will blow up... one day... lol.
>Post the video where he complained about this because as far as I know there isn’t one and he still stands behind WBP’s “good parts”
Lemongrab complains about everything, that's my only reason for bringing him up

>>64156125
I think it was pretty much like that. Didn't get a good look at the top so I can't say whether it had fiber optic irons or not; it was on a gun rack vertically so I only saw the base and the tag. Shame I didn't get a pic but my concern was more about other guns (and not getting noticed taking pics when I wasn't supposed to be lol). Could've sworn I did take a pic or at least make a note though; again maybe it's in a physical notebook or I accidentally took one of those pics out and put it on external storage.

>>64156577
The QC issue is a completely different claim though. I agree it’s dubious and it’s just him saying “trust me bro” and shouldn’t be taken seriously until proof is provided.
The fact of the matter is a milled part is inferior to a forged part. A properly made milled part will have a shorter lifespan compared to a properly made forged part. My issue is WBP is being dishonest in their marketing and misleading people by using forged and bolt/trunnion in the same sentence. If the consumer decides they don’t care, that’s fine, but right now WBP is being dishonest.

I still have a Kam-17 kit from Atlantic I bought like 5 years ago. Dunno who I should send it to to get built

>>64154169
No dude just relax. They are cool but were nothing special. Both my lynx 12 and VP12 were extremely picky and required a Chinese ritual before they would run an entire mag reliably. Please stop glazing a gun you never had.

>>64155443
I don’t own a WASR keep coping with your American built AKs.

>>64156683
>but right now WBP is being dishonest.
theyre saying theyre forged, which isn't wrong.

>>64156744
i got a wasr last year. It's aight, definitely wouldn't call it superior to too many options but it's fine

>>64153141
None.

Trash rifle for trash people.

>>64156737
Different anon but that's really nice. That's the SDS VP-12 correct? I've heard about the FTE/FTF issues with the shotguns like this, I've never had any so far though. I broke mine down as far as it would go and cleaned everything out, the JTS models are shipped with a bunch of cosmoline inside that will cause issues with the gas piston and cycling. I have the gas adjusted for the shell type as well.

>>64156880
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink. The massive cope from WBP cucks is unreal.

>>64156737
Have seen plenty of reviews of lynx 12 (original not some retarded extra shit variant) both print and video even comparing them to actual saiga 12s. You appear to be the exception, not the rule. I noticed you posted pic of retarded trash gun and not a lynx12

>>64157213
dont you think it's weird how WBP bolts are made of balsa wood yet after 5000+ rounds it's perfectly fine

>>64156880
The bar stock that the trunnion/bolt are milled from is forged. The result bolt/trunnion are not forged. Saying your bar stock is forged is meaningless because the bar stock’s grain flow has no relation to the finished part. All they’re saying is that they didn’t machine down some cast piece of pot metal and instead used a hot rolled piece of stock. See the diagram here >>64155438.
This is forging 101. Like literally the first thing you learn. Milling introduces internal stresses and misses out on all of the benefits of shaping the grain flow in your part. This isn’t a hypothetical or conjecture, it’s literally just the most basic explanation if you look up “milled vs forged”.

>>64157281
It’s not weird, that’s a low round count. When you bolt eventually fails it will just be a far sooner than if the part was forged. All parts eventually fail, it’s a question about longevity. The process doesn’t induce the same porosity issues casting does so you’re not going to see catastrophic failures immediately, just keep in mind it’s a process that even PSA deemed not worth skimping. If that suits your need, it’s fine, I just don’t like that they’re lying.

>>64157480
>The bar stock that the trunnion/bolt are milled from is forged
still technically forged so that's why they say it lol
It’s not weird, that’s a low round count. >When you bolt eventually fails it will just be a far sooner than if the part was forged
any day now... lol. I'm sure it will fail at 55,000 rounds instead of 60,000...

>>64157522
oops, my post doesnt have the right grain flow

>>64157522
>still technically forged so that's why they say it lol
WBPfags are officially worse than PSA fanboys. I guess literally every barrel is CHF too lmfao

>>64157545
their barrels are, so yeah. Even if they weren't it's not like your barrel's going to be shot out.

>>64157545
WBP is the cope rifle for the zoomers who missed out on actual good imports, explains why they are so fervently brand loyal lol
The last three threads have been nothing but WBP coping

>>64157243
>I watched a YouTube video so I know about this
Alright. Post your zastava.

>>64157784
>WBP is the cope rifle for the zoomers who missed out on actual good imports
that's the WASR though. It was bottom of the barrel like 15 or 18 years ago but now after imports have dwindled, /akg/ is just wasr babby central.
>just hammer your front sight post bro
>just buy new furniture bro

>>64157874
>just buy a new bolt bro
>just reheadspace your rifle bro
>just demil and rebuild on a surplus trunnion bro
Easy choice

>>64158125
what are you talking about, a kit build?

>>64158275
Billet trunnions and cast bolts my heckin niggerino

>>64154094
Yes

>>64154872
IMO Kit builds can be done right by a real gunsmith using european military parts.

>>64156447
Bhahha WBP are using Billet trunnions, what a fucking joke.
Fuck AoA

>>64156737
Hmm both my Lynx 12 and my VP12 have run good, with high brass.
You should sell me your VP12 carrier.

>>64156880
Machining from bar stock is not the same as a forged component.

>>64158281
Are the billet trunnions and cast bolts in the room with us right now?

>>64158281
damn, all of the WBP's must have blown up by now! Oh wait

Jesus would you guys stop giving this shill the (you)s. PSA gives him 10 cents every time you respond.

no post in over a year, several years since regular posting

has akg gotten good again or is it still full of insufferable new fags and trip fags?

>>64156447
>>64156683

>>64158706
Nah its deader than a doornail

>>64158283
>Machining from bar stock
wait so are the bolts actually machined or forged? Was that in that TFB video or something? I thought that was just the trunnions

>>64159305
just the trunnions (supposedly, not confirmed)
inb4 seethe that it's not confirmed

>>64159321
that's what i thought. I'm watching the TFB video right now and there isn't any specific info on their forging and casting.

>>64159305
>>64159321
>>64159338
Not, the TFBTV video, a Polish language factory tour.
Here's where they show the billet for the trunnion and multiple setups of the machining process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5KKZLBU2j8&t=142s
Bolts aren't shown so I guess there's some weasel room for the copers, but the lack of evidence from the factory of bolt dies and the wording of AOA product page literally saying it's machined it's all but confirmed.

>>64159358
since when do billet trunnions shatter anyway? Are trunnions the first thing to fail, ever?
>Bolts aren't shown so I guess there's some weasel room
well shit i mean everyone was saying they were cast haha it turns out we dont see anything really. Zastava metallurgy nontroversy all over again.

>>64159374
Well, we see the AOA page which describes the exact same process as the trunnion and says it's milled from a forged piece of stock. I think the cast bolt accusation is coming from a rumor that they used cast bolts back when they used cast trunnions.

>since when do billet trunnions shatter anyway?
This is literally the same debate as if you need a CL CHF barrel or if a nitrided button rifled barrel is good enough. The real issue is that they're being misleading and pretending that it's forged. How would you feel if you bought a CHF barrel and in reality it was a normal button rifled barrel but the round stock was forged prior to drilling the pilot hole?

>>64159408
>how would you feel if your WBP's barrel was doodoo instead??
idk man

>>64159487
how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>64159729
The hairy apes are Wasr fans(none of them own a Wasr)

>>64159408
>>64156447
On their own website, wbp describes the bolt as "machined from forged steel" and the trunnion and just "forged"
I'm not gonna get into the shitflinging on whether or not the trunnions are actually billet, but the minutia of verbiage used in product descriptions doesn't prove manufacturing processes.

>>64159659
Someone bubba’d that bayonet

>last few threads have been nothing but people arguing about what shit rifle is better
The absolute state of akg

>>64160608
>last few threads have been nothing but people arguing about the delineation between a real rifle and a toy
ftfy
It isn't that WASRs are better rifles than WBPs. It is the WASRs are actually rifles, albeit shit ones at that, and WBPs are wall hanger talisman toy facsimiles of firearms.

>>64160685
>guns are toys
retard

>>64160689
>toys are toys
>guns are guns
You're the retard. WBPs are toys. Dangerous toys sure, but toys. Consider how most that are buying them are essentially man children.

>64160707
>64160685
(you)

>>64159799
No, but the factory walkthrough does.

>>64160707
I mean its literally called a “Jack”
I can’t imagine anything gayer than fingerfucking a Jack

>>64154227
>grain structure
>with the naked eye
>from a picture
You're actually retarded

>>64161456
You don’t need a microscope to tell that WBP is using cast bolts and billet trunnions.

>>64160685
I liked it better when we all bullied you for being a retard with brain damage who shot at his friends.

Almost here lads

>>64161577
Qrd? Not up to date on tripfag lore.

>>64161661
FA, A2, myself, and some other /k/ommandos were out shooting. We thought it would be a fun meme and create some neat OC to take some footage from behind a large (legit like bus sized) boulder as the front face of the boulder got peppered with some rounds. It was done in a controlled manner (similar to this MAC/OSS video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ_BgeG0P1o&t=11s ) using radios and taking into account massive possible margins of error for safety.

At first I didn't mind the meme but it has become such a stupid shitpost now IMO it honestly just detracts from the general rather than being funny.

>>64161622
OKP-7?

>>64161766
Damn, you’re stupid as fuck. Shit like this is why I never listen to tripfags.

>>64161805
yeah, it landed in Los Angeles this morning. I'm in WA so it shouldn't be much longer, maybe Monday? Tuesday?

>>64162201
That's really cool. I've got one of the replica/clone 1P87's sold by Novus Precision. It's honestly been really good and reportedly is better than the originals. If you don't mind me asking, was it terribly difficult to get ahold of that? I've read that getting the actual optics from Russia comes with a lot of risk.

>>64162330
Those are really cool too, are they blocky from the rear? I tried one in vidya once and felt like it was.
The OKP is also a knockoff, an anon in a previous /akg/ got in touch with a Japanese guy who sells them, I did the same.

>>64160685
bitch dont you own a PSA

>>64161534
you're right, all you need is a blurry picture lol

>>64162811
Thanks, yeah I wouldn't really say so. No different from any other red dot optic. I think your brain does something weird with the frame of the optic when you're looking at the reticle in real life. I haven't been able to find out much information regarding the two dot and dash reticle. If I had to guess I want to say the upper dot serves as the primary aiming point and the lower one would serve as a hold over at another distance. I have no idea though.

>>64162921
>I haven't been able to find out much information regarding the two dot and dash reticle

>>64162954
That's handy, does that translate over to the 1P87? I'm referencing the reticle in the image a few posts up, looks similar to an obelus.

>>64162994
My bad, but in my defense I'm kinda retarded.
This is what I could turn up on the 1p87 and that reticle isn't shown, but maybe I missed it skimming.
https://russianoptics.net/1P87.html
https://www.ak-info.ru/joomla/index.php/devices/9-optics/216-1p87about

Surplus gas block pressed on

>>64163295
Nice. Now you just need the night sights.
Since your rear sight leaf doesn't appear to have the hole for the rear portion, I found the whole kit for you.
https://www.firearmshopper.com/product-page/yugo-m70-front-rear-sight-night-sights-vial-version

>>64163295
Nice job anon. I hate pressing barrel components so much.
Next you should get rid of the READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE. Shouldn't be too hard, bluing might be tough though...

>>64163312
Nice. Might do it.
>>64163351
My AK guy did it. Mostly just wanted the bayonet lug. The owner’s manual marking doesn’t bother me that much. I have an M70AB2 and an M72B1 kit so I’ll have a couple with correct markings.

New Eastern European deli opened up nearby. Looking forward to seeing what all they get in. Their piroshkys are bomb

Any MASS here?

I'm planning to move to the Boston area in about a year from now. I'm confused about the Assault Weapons law. The Mass website is even more confusing, because I'm a Fed leo and there is a Q&A that says

"I am a law enforcement officer. Does the notice affect me?
No. The notice does not change the law with respect to ownership of Assault Weapons by law enforcement officers. Your existing right to buy and possess Assault Weapons remains protected under Massachusetts law."

>>64164035
Just do it bro you’ll be fine

>>64164125
yeah but i'm also not trying to violate state law. The law is vague though because it says that law enforcement officers have the right to possess assault weapons. But it doesn't specify state vs federal

>>64163805
those are some huge AKs

>>64162832
Yes and it is a trash piece of shit toy that broke right around 1200 rounds with the typical issue the PSA 5.56 guns have been seeing where either the headspace shifts or idk what but somehow primers start getting punched and pieces of primer end up inside the bolt in the firing pin channel which then causes firing pin drag and insufficient protrusion for reliable primer ignition which then results in light primers strikes.

I just send the gun back to PSA the other day. Delays on my end non-withstanding it took them over a week to get me an RMA number and a shipping label.

>>64164140
Yeah don’t worry about it you good mr. glowie

>>64164583
Do you know anywhere good to shoot within an hour of Boston?

>>64164411
what a waste

Can someone explain why Type 56s AKs tend to be higher quality? I recall reading on here that the metal used for them was drawn from stores of high-quality metal that was shared with factories producing something else that required good metal.

>>64164759
i dont think there's anything particularly fantastic about a type 56. I think Americans just have rose tinted glasses because they were banned from import

>>64164630
No. What kinda fedboi are you anyway? FBI?

>>64164962
FFDO. Which is why I'm wondering about the law. I don't have LEOSA and obviously don't use long guns with my job. But I am still a fed so I'm wondering if I move to BOS if I can still bring my privately owned guns with me and be exempt from the rule

>>64165003
You a 737 chud at AA?

>>64165019
no but I likely will be in about a year from now

>>64165023
Oh are you a flow nigger?

>>64165029
>flow nigger

>>64165050
Kek, see you when you get here bro. We had some Envoy flowies in my class, they were weird as fuck.

>>64165063
ive got my app out directly. I saw your VP of Flight ops say that they are gonna hire WO pilots now outside flow

>>64165075
Alan said that? Dayum guess they gotta keep up with retirements somehow. Whats the hiring mins for TPIC now? I don’t keep up with this stuff lol

>>64165347
42:48

https://youtu.be/clUVsxu4fEc?si=t-yI7ft6zltf58_h

>>64165406
I think what he meant by that is you have to be super duper special (union volunteer or just negro/woman). Glad I’m out of the interviewing world man its total bullshit.

The WBP seething is so hilarious to me that i will purchase a Minijack. Americans are niggers it's crazy.

So a Steyr-imported Maadi is the only legit option for a US legal AKM?

>>64166188
there are literally thousands of Izzy akm kits in US circulation

>>64166104
I'm gonna buy the 556sr and if its shit I'm gonna kill myself.

>>64166104
Lol yeah I had decided to get one of these the day before all this bullshit about the bolt started popping up, if nothing else it just made me do even more research that solidified the idea that wbp was the way to go. Still a check or 2 away from it but I'll post it here once I've got it.

>>64164140
Stop being such a faggot you faggot cop. If you're that worried about it just stick them in the back of a closet and drywall over it. No one's gonna know unless you tell them. Also you're a faggot.

>>64166182
>CAA

>>64160707
>>64161416
What happened to you. I mean you're pretty much the only guy on the internet complaining about WBP, anyone reputable enough loves them and everyone who bought them adore them.

>>64167177
is this like a cope

>>64166261
>anon points out WBP defrauding the American market with cast bolts and billet trunnions
>you decide to give them $1200 to spite the people trying to help you
gg no re

>>64167347
show proof of cast bolts or shut the fuck up

>>64167347
>minijack
>1200 dollars
gotta get better dealz bro

>>64163867
y do u have 3 jars of peanut butter?

>>64166197
Are some years better than others?

>>64164759
I've never heard that fuddlore but any Type 56 or MAK90 we can buy in the US has been rotting away in bubba's attic for nearly 40 years at this point. They also have blued finishes which is one of the worst for actual rust prevention. I wouldn't overpay for one unless you intended to buy it as a collector's item. Buy something else if you want a beater AK.

>>64167177
This shit is so retarded. I'm so over braces at this point. People just need to stop coomplying, and youtube faggots should stop doing that thing where they try to flex their internet law degrees or humble brag about spending $200 for a tax stamp. Sam Hyde was right that the gun community is full of faggot bootlickers and snitches.

What are options for mounting optics to rifle without side rail? I know gold standard of ultimak and master mount, but are there alternatives now? I know atero was recommended at one point but last I was in the loop, there were zero issues with it.

>>64168670
TWS or chassis system like Zenitco/Barwarus, Sureshot, JMAC, etc. that have railed dust covers.

>>64168688
Bless. Helps me get up to speed. I keep flip flopping between “rifle is fine” and optic nested in front of rear sight via Ultimak

>>64168701
If you don't need zoom, I'd look into one of the Attero rear sight mounts and add either a pistol dot or something small like a T2 or Romeo5.
https://atteroarms.com/
No way I'd throw an optic on top of the hot gas tube and lose valuable handguard space.

>>64168781
At most I might just throw a light on besides that. Yknow if anttero issues been worked out? I did have in mind a microdot or maybe some sort of primary arms abomination. This is for a 7.62x39 gun, so any distance work Is likely just solve with m72 which I threw a side rail on.

>>64167800
Read the thread illiterate gorilla nigger

Hey if the dude who sold me this 92 Tula kit is still in here, thanks man. Finally got it built on a Childers receiver as accurately as I could. Obstreperous barrel, Bulgarian front trunnion unfortunately but was able to locate a Tula bolt carrier.

>>64168961
based

Same anon who was considering selling the stock earlier in the thread. I decided to keep it and make use of it. I had to file down the sides of the stock where it inserts into the reciever, it fits now. I've only dealt with AR stuff prior to this and the concept of fitting furniture and loose tolerances just wasn't a thing to me. If I had to guess i believe I had to take down 1mm of material. Now, the question. For whatever reasom my reciever is like 1/8th inch taller than standard reciever size, and the stock makes contact with the tang, the screws are tightened, and the wedge block is making contact with the bottom of the reciever. Could I make a shim out of neoprene rubber to fill that little gap? Any suggestions? I am also considering just molding down that bottom part of the stock to make the gap flush.

>>64168854
You've done nothing but point at a blurry picture and say "yeah bro that's totally cast bro"
You haven't proven shit

ESL friend here.
What's /akg opinion on a .223 Saiga ?

>>64169357
g2g

>>64153141
Cugir gun good

Should I get picrel instead of a WBP.

Is it true the SLR107R was actually made in America? I got one in a trade recently. Should I keep it and press and 24mm fsb on it or just sell it?

>>64163295
How's that optic anon? Someone is selling one cheap locally, and I am tempted.

>>64153805
Saigas needing bottom surgery is only a US thing.

>>64169487
if you want an UF just get an underfolding WASR. If you want a normal AKM get a WBP or just suck it up and get a WASR. If you want cheapo just get a damn PSA and tell us if they're still falling apart

>>64169673
It looks like he wants a 5.56 underfolder. The gigabased move would be to buy an M90 and do an uf trunnion swap pic rel

>>64169598
I like them. Have PA 2, 3, and 4x prisms on a few different AKs. Nice reticle, good battery life and robust design. A little heavy and short eye relief to be expected.

>>64169755
This guy gets it. I'm a poorfag and have barely enough money for a zastava so I'll get one and just save for a few months till I can buy picrel. $230 fucking dollars my god.

>>64169975
Don’t buy that, its a shitty bolt on. Get a surp uf trunnion and a surp underfolder kit and have an ak smith do the conversion for you. I’m currently having an M92 and an M85 converted to an underfolder.

>>64169769
What stock on the left?

>>64170245
Zastava M21

i found Polish malt liquor at the international supermarket

>>64171095
it matches WBP colors

>>64171095
Did Russian AKM have the same finish as this?

>>64171377
WBP is paint over parkerize which is what most Euro comblocs used including Russia prior to AK 100 series, so yeah

>>64171095
Polish made can guard candidate?

>>64171445
probably a different paint though

>>64171460
oh man I didn't even think of that, I'm doing it

its actually good bros

>>64171476
HE'LL YEAH BORTHER.......

>>64171460
Still have the canguard tutorial? I want to try it.

>>64171644
Wait that's the wrong one.
Here's the right one.

>>64171644
Does the adhesive wear off when it heats up?

hey anons I recently got a KR-103 for about 900 dollars and I am really enjoying it, I replaced the standard muzzle device with an adapter to suppress it and it's a lot of fun to shoot. I'm struggling on deciding on what kind of optic mounting solution I want, ideally I want some actually working and fitting zenitco b-13 rail but the one clone I did buy didn't fit so I'm hesitant to waste money on another mystery chinese good

dont mind me, just dropping peak AK pic from last hike this weekend innawoods

>>64171714
>There is no peak with Draco
Nice Glawk.

>>64171714
brace? How is it?

>>64171707
rs regulate, they are the best mounting solution
>t. zenitco b33 enjoyer

>>64171729
Brace is great. It might as well be the thing it's coping to be. It's insanely sturdy, folds no bullshit rubber or any floppiness like with Nig Braces

>>64171842
that muzzle brake on the draco has to be horrendous

>>64171707
Why did you buy that? Were you unaware that the parts are made in INDIA and assembled by NIGGERS in FLORIDA?

>>64171845
You definitely notice it, but it's really not that bad. It was much much worse on my 5.56 Mini Jack. Shorty 5.56 guns just bark differently. It would legit take the breath out of your chest when you shot with the 5.56, now you just kind of feel the concussiveness on your support side arm.

Would the heat from the gas tube still cook an EOtech if it was mounted on a Zenitco B-19?

>>64152726 (OP)
안녕하세요, can I post my daewoo here?

>>64174206
only if you magdump fast a lot or use the new Diablo AK FRT

>>64174717
>Diablo AK FRT
Are they good?

>>64153320
everything is expensive retard. go buy .22lr for cheap shit now.

>>64174802
I just bought a case of barnaul for $300, its literally just a skill issue. If you're too autistic to barter (WBP owners) you will miss out on the deals.

>>64172519
I want a mecha that one of them uses a giant AK

>>64174857
no that's called luck. Not everyone has some guy nearby selling ammo for cheap

>>64175068
WBP autist confirmed

>>64175169
>i just scored a case of barnaul for $300, therefore WBP owners BAD

>>64174760
no idea but theres a bunch of youtube videos on them

>>64175204
Nta but I can't find a flaw in that logic.
>case dismissed; WBPs are gay

>>64175469
Is this a botched demill?

>>64175481
>botched
It's demilled ain't it?
But honestly I don't even remember what that's from, besides thread #868.
>here's a Yugo m85 bolt

>>64175469
>>64175499
OH THANK GOD when I saw the thumbnail I thought this was another WBP bolt
WBP sisters keep winning

>>64175504
Ask that faggot making shit up about WBP to post guns. He won't because he doesn't own any

>>64175510
What the schizo fuck are you talking about?
Meds, now.

>>64175499
>here's your forging bro

>>64175616
That'll happen when you shoot 300bo out of a 5.56, even forged bolts.

>>64175224
where did you buy your ammo then, dimwad

>>64175988
Oh you're a full blown schizo.
>What part of Not That Anon don't you comprende?
Let's see I've bought ammo from Aim, SG, JG, Centerfire, I even got some from United Nations Ammo Company before they closed up.
>I'm sure some of it was Barnaul white box though

>>64176065
dang you sure are in the know! 7.62x39 IS still cheap! haha

>>64176081
Yeah

>>64176105
i am going to kill myself on camera if 7.62x39 doesn't fall below 39 cpr with cheap shipping on ammoseek within the 2 weeks

>>64176200
I don't think you should do that

>>64176200
You seem stable.

New thread
>>64176309
>>64176309
>>64176309

>>64176200
WBP autist. Too socially awkward to make deals with people. NGMI during SHTF when your cast bolt and billet trunnion fails kek