Thread 64392187

Realistically, how would NATO actually respond if 100 armed men in civilian clothing cross over the border into Estonia and take over a few houses?

>>64392187 (OP)
They would kill the invaders and send more aid to Ukraine.

>>64392187 (OP)
The ruski side looks like an obese (man tits) mu*t

>>64392197
The problem is if they just decide it's so small that Estonia can handle it and then do nothing

>>64392187 (OP)
If it's just a small incursion, they might be dissuaded by the big dogs to not even activate Article 5.
So, just some meetings and strong words for Kremlin.

>>64392187 (OP)
>before ukraine
not a whole NATO problem, estonia can tell them to fuck off until they listen
>after ukraine
well shit if they say there's no russians there i guess us dropping some ordinance on them is just killing some terrorists or something

>>64392224
Very thinly disguised "what if HATO does nothing?"

>>64392187 (OP)
>100 "men"
local police would arrest them

>>64392187 (OP)
You'd have to be retarded to share a land border with an enemy.

>>64392187 (OP)
Isn't it more likely that they'll just Iskander the heavily russified border city and cry NATO GOTTA PROTECT THEM ALL, then move in with the whole army?

mighty Russian cock shall penetrate deep in NATO territory and all will be known

YOU FORGOT SOMETHING YOU CRYING LITTLE NAZI RETARD!

LOOK AT NAZI UKRAINE AND LAUGH !

>>64392247
Ziggers in the process of psyching themselves up for another 2 week SMO.

>>64392257
They cant. Not enough meat. Zapad 25 showed that. This hysteria is overblow. The vatniks squatting in the salient were hoping to ambush drivers on the road to take as hostage

Its as simple as that

OBLIGATORY REALITY CHECK:


https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-101025-lights-out-in-kiev

>>64392267
>>64392270

>>64392280
ME:

>>64392187 (OP)
>battle_of_khasham.webm

>>64392278
What's inspired this vatfrican meltie?

>>64392187 (OP)
They would bring in their own military and liquidate them

>>64392285
ARE YOU CRYING?!


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>>64392285
not sure but i'm looking forward to finding out

>>64392283
Thank you for destroying russia, you're the greatest double agent in history.

>>64392243
You're actually delusional if you think a Baltic country that's like the size of a football field is going to be fine with any serious ordinance being used on its soil. These faggots are too scared to even shoot down drones because they might hit someone on the way down

>>64392295
GOOD BOY!

>>64392285
>>64392295
Their submarine is leaking and NATO is pointing and laughing. Oh, and Ukraine bombed another refinery

>>64392297
Nice try, CIA.

Send a strong worded letter and post on X about how they are doing everything they can to protect freedom and democracy.

>>64392300
kill yourself :)

>>64392307
>YOU FIRST

>>64392285
Massive fire at an oil plant in Crimea last night

>>64392275
This anon gets it. Right now the Baltic wall is very effective for NATO countries without much power to consolidate in specified battle groups against a weakened Russian state. Zapad 25 was nothing more than a desperate attempt to save face.

Good example is Latvia. In Latvia, you have a small consolidation led by Canada that allows them to gradually build up infrastructure on a previously limited gdp contribution. This also allows NATO to conduct multinational exercises much easier than flying everyone over a few times a year

>>64392187 (OP)
>Realistically, how would NATO actually respond

>>64392187 (OP)
Franc tireuers are given no protection under international law and are subject to summary execution. That's how.

>>64392187 (OP)
Have the police arrest them.

>>64392187 (OP)
Wouldn’t they just be labeled terrorists and then get shot up by the Estonian police and military?

>>64392224
A hudnred guys in a house genuinely is small enough that Estonia can handle it. FFS, the Estonian Police could handle that. And the NATO would still send more aid to Ukraine in retaliation anyway LMAO.

>>64392275
>>64392321
>Zapad 25
QRD?

>>64392298
They're the ones who will be using it, pidor.

>>64392350
Latest zigger border exercise that gave us this gem as well as showed us how much stuff they don't have.

>>64392302
Also the fuel depot and loading pier in Feodosia is on fire again. Also electrical infrastructure in Crimea.

>>64392238
Stupidest possible mistake. Do it. End Russia.

>>64392298
>surely THIS time they won't fight back!

>>64392224
>Estonia can handle it
Exactly. So to make it clear, i'll repeat
>>64392197
>would kill the invaders and send more aid to Ukraine

The big problem for Baltics are Air and Sea power. There's limited long range force projection capability and depth for massed land attack. But they're very well equipped and trained for conventional ground conflict that matches their size.

So while Putin is known for salami slicing, without some strategic aspect to it it wouldn't work there even without NATO and Article 5.

Do people not realize NATO letting Estonia handle it is just code for NATO not responding to a fucking ground invasion of a member state?

>>64392435
In agreement, of NATO doing nothing is weak roster behavior. Russia is strong bear pawing at fridge of HATO refrigerator

>>64392435
Nato is not a uniform monolith. The response is going to be all over the place going from state to state.

>>64392435
What happens if Estonia handles it before NATO to even verbally respond?

>>64392435
>Do people not realize NATO letting Estonia handle it is just code for NATO not responding to a fucking ground invasion of a member state?

lmao, are you retarded?

thats what nato is, and always has been
>you got 'aggressed upon"?
>*YOU FIGHT* and nato provides you a catalog of weapons to purchase from the US with tentative deliveries sometime in 2028+, while a committee of european 'allies' host a series of meetings about how best to address the messaging and media reaction to the aggression-event

at no point was the deal
>"Press the magic US boots on the ground button!"
and this was somehow lost in translation with our european partners over the subsequent decades post nato-formation

Something like this maybe?

>>64392350
Its Russia's largest exercise that happens every 4 years. Last one was in 2021 with 200k troops. This one had 15k

>>64392381
Its random with AKs you can park artillery nearby

>>64392218
No kidding.

I would shell the entire complex and send to Putain every body part recoverable, if I was the Estonian chief commander.

>>64392510
It doesn't really matter, if NATO goes "oh well, Eesti beesti dealt with it, whatever", then it just means another salami slice is sliced and ziggers can start thinking up further ways to fuck with NATO. Like for example, using actual DRG's instead of thugs with some guns.

>>64392554
>park artillery nearby
Would be cheeky if Estbros did it. Or IFV. Something cool and excessive, to make those Kubifics look like lost bums in rags. Just to send a message.

>>64392572
>every accusation is a confession
It never stops proving itself true does it?

>>64392515
Russian fantasies are so amusing.

The strategy is simple: we give the ziggers what they really want

(1) to choke on Big NATO Cock
(2) the sweet release of death from their humiliating existence

Followed by shooting long hot strings (of white phosphorus) all the way to saint pidorsburg

>>64392187 (OP)

Offering them refugee status if they surrender (which they'll obviously accept because it means they no longer have to live in Russia).

>>64392661
Russians historically desire to be subjugated by big powerful lords. The Soviet collapse and weakness of the 90s revealed their government could never properly fill that void. Hence why they're so desperate for NATO to conquer them. Basically
>Baka! I-it's not like I like you anyway, NATO-sama

>>64392187 (OP)
>how would NATO actually respond if 100 armed men in civilian clothing cross over the border into Estonia and take over a few houses?
That's such a nothingburger it'd be irrelevant. NATO would just express support for Estonia, condemn monke again, while Estonia police arrests/shot them all. There'd be more push for hardening up sanctions further, subtle glowy retaliation, quicker liquidation of Russian assets that are captured, etc etc, I'm sure creative geopolitical folks can come up with all sorts of use for it. But unless the men in civilian clothing come with heavy armor it's barely even a military matter. Estonia isn't a tier 1 military but they sure aren't THAT weak.

>>64392435
The implication here is that Estonia wouldn't even bother invoking Article 5, retard.

>>64392515
Don't samefag this obviously, zigger.

>>64392572
LMAO

>>64392515
And yet it works flawlessly, outside of small acts of aggression that are specifically designed not to do shit and therefore to not incur an actual response from NATO.
Weird that, almost like there's more to it.

>>64392360
Based trad Russian army, top tier producer of gay amateur porn.

Imagine that in 35 years Gayrapeans still couldn't find enough money to build a two-lane rural road bypassing Russian territory

I suppose they might tell Estonia to build a new road

>>64393146
no one thought it would be necessary

>>64393171
Even aftre 2014 and 2022? Even better!

No shells, no skins, no roads, the Superpowereaux by 2030. please understand.

NATO would close off the Danish Straits for ships going to and coming from Russia. Russian economy would survive for maybe 2 months after that.

>>64393194
Nato afraids to even fart in the Russian direction, let alone "closing" anything.

>>64393194
Its sadly illegal. Would take a huge amount of political work to reverse that. Letters of marque is the real answer.

>>64393207
Closing the straits would be legally allowed if Article 5 is evoked. It would also be a peaceful, non-combative move. This is EXACTLY what Europeans would do.

>>64393192
>No shells
Uh huh. Your script is about three years out of date, vatnigger.

>>64393207
Yet somehow not afraid enough to murder a thousand plus Russians a day while paying for it with billions seized from russian accounts LMAO.

>>64393220
They'll move from the Article 4 to the Article 6 bypassing teh 5th altogether, mark my word

>>64393232
Article 6 defines the areas in which article 5 applies, ESL retard. Estonia is part of that, so it goes right back to Article 5.

Now kindly go join your comrades in dying in a ditch outside Pokrovsk.

>>64392349
>FFS, the Estonian Police could handle that.
No police force can handle 100 armed men

>>64393244
Discussions over the definitions of applicable areas but never actually delivering is the only thing Nafo is usefull for

>>64393260
I think you wastly underestimate how much police some nations have, not saying Estonia have enough to deal with it but some certainly have.

>>64392349
>FFS, the Estonian Police could handle that.
I am sure there are at least some Estonian police that had training on the Carl-Gustaf M2/M4 in the army.
Carl-Gustafs that you can find in any local sporting goods or military surplus store.

>>64393260
LMAO, retards actually believe this. Even Estonia has more than enough SWAT equivalents to massacre a hundred light infantry.

>>64393266
Well that and killing subhumans like (You) by the million, little ESL zigger. They're also pretty damn good at that.

>Nafo
LMAO, imagine being so obsessed and mindbroken by a bunch of dogeposters that you out yourself like that.

>>64393354
>>64393333
>>64393260
Estonia has national defence force which is armed with military gear for infantry engagements. Them and the actual military would handle them

It gets interesting when ziggers start engaging them with artillery and mortars across the border though. Same shit ziggers did 2014 in donbawe when ukranian military moved in to eliminate the bandit kingdoms

>>64393192
Allowing thirdies on the internet was a mistake

>>64392187 (OP)
Estonia is part of EU. EU is considered as vital interest by France. So France can nuke something in Russia in accordance with its doctrine of nuclear warning shot.

>>64393436
Tactical nuke dropped on Soltsy-2?

>>64392606
retard in that scenario nato would just repel that as and when. are you suggesting an adequate nato response would be to go and invade russia? nobody wants to do that, it's a shithole, and there's no need.

>>64393436
frog nuclear doctrine showing itself to be relentlessly based as usual

Why doesn't Estonia build a new road? Going through snowmalia seems kinda stupid

Littler Battle of Khasham 2.0
>"Hey Russia, there's a bunch of dudes approaching our position. Do you know anything about this?"
>"No of course not )"
>"Ok cool, since they're not Russian, we're going to delete them."
>"D-do you want us to turn off our air defense?"
>"I honestly don't care."
>300 green men KIA
>1 NATO soldier dislocated his shoulder hi fiving someone too hard
>Russia builds heroic memorial to the "Not Russians"

>>64393467
...you mean, a detour? Like what already exists?

>>64393216
So is everything russia has done the past couple years. If they're so hell bent on breaking international law (but screaming about warcrimes they themselves commit) they can be treated as an outlaw. Sorry, no more shipping to Pidorsburg, sucks to suck.

>>64392572
Innsmutogorsk, Astrakhan Oblast.

>>64393266
>NAFO
Zigger identified. Opinion discarded

>>64392187 (OP)
Estonian would detain/shoot them depending on how much they resist and then probably start putting wire obstacles and shit up along the border

>>64392187 (OP)
guys what would nato do if this happened

>>64394039
Sanction the moon for violating our airspace.

>>64394039
>black hole aims right for russia, china and india
based super gravity enjoyer

>>64394027
>Russia sends 100 Little Green Men to seize a dozen houses in Estonia
>Estonia sends the National police to surround the houses
>Estonia cuts the power, gas, and water to the houses
>two days later Estonian police enter houses after a lack of movement by occupiers
>find malnourished Russians suffering from exposure, untreated STDS, hunger and the DTs living amid piles of feces and broken glass
>20% casualties from the DTs and sepsis from fecal encrusted glass shards and rectal trauma, 1/3rd of the survivors show signs of recent traumatic anal rape, 1/3 of the corpses show signs of cannibalism and post-mortem rape
>ringleader is actually FSB colonel
>Russia denies his existence despite picture still appearing on FSB website

>>64392187 (OP)
They'd shoot them.

>>64393451
The only proportional response to zigger fuckery is a disproportional one. The sooner Europe and NATO realize it, the better.

>>64392515
>NATO is as worthless as the CSTO, they're just better at hiding it
Reverse. Cargo. Cult.

>>64393216
>Its sadly illegal.
It's not illegal, it's an act of war.
But that boat would already sailed in this scenario because you know, an invasion is too.

>>64392187 (OP)
A very stern protest letter

>>64393467
>Estonia only has one road

>>64392298
>You're actually delusional if you think a Baltic country that's like the size of a football field is going to be fine with any serious ordinance being used on its soil
This is what a fridge temperature IQ looks like.

>>64392515
If NATO is such a paper tiger, why hasn't Russia taken the Baltics and punished Finland and Sweden for their insolence?

>>64392572
the latest last common ancestor

>>64392515
Awww, you've almost got it you little tyke, but I see the chingchongshillpuppet mind still can't quite grasp the concept of making a coherent point

>>64392515
>>64395404
Better question, if NATO is a paper tiger, waste of tax dollars, etc etc then why should puccia give a shit if more nations join up? Surely they won't mind if more nations join an overpriced country club that just drains their resources, right?

>>64392187 (OP)
Remember when Wagner had the bright idea of attacking US forces?
Here is a reminder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

>>64393436
>nuclear warning shot
I know its a joke but something tells me it isnt.

>>64395488
It's officially Frances nuclear policy, they retain a position of "nuclear warning shots".

>The Air-sol moyenne portée (ASMP; lit.'Medium-Range Air-to-Surface') is a French nuclear-armed air-launched cruise missile manufactured by MBDA France. In French nuclear doctrine, it serves what is referred to as a "pre-strategic" deterrence role. It is intended to be the ultimate "warning shot" prior to the full-scale employment of the strategic nuclear weapons arming the Triomphant-class ballistic missile submarines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-sol_moyenne_port%C3%A9e

>>64395488
>France, lacking a no-first-use policy, retains the option of a “final warning” – a single, limited nuclear strike to signal an adversary’s overstepping or to reinforce the projection of resolve.
https://www.frstrategie.org/en/publications/notes/nuclear-spring-coming-examining-french-nuclear-deterrence-response-russia-s-actions-ukraine-2024
No, the French are serious.

>>64392187 (OP)
They'd have a meeting about it and present a roadmap of future meetings. Putin hates it when Europeans meet and he isn't invited. Estonia would declare victory over Russian invaders and Russia would get a bit bigger.

>>64393333
>I am sure there are at least some Estonian police that had training on the Carl-Gustaf M2/M4 in the army.
don't need the military for that

>>64395457
i think i read an article where a (former?) wagner soldier talked about it, it was pretty funny
the funniest thing was when he said a t72 tank crew just sat in their tank blasting music for 2 hours and forgot to switch radio channels so had no idea shit was fucking blowing up, then realized it, drove the tank into a shed or something and stayed there for 2 days

>>64392187 (OP)
Estonia is Florida tier swamp territory. Seriously the nation is one giant bog. Probably will find the locals will have skinned, looted and raped the Russian intruders before any NATO forces got there.

>>64395611
There's going to be entire companies that just disappear into peat bogs aren't there?

>>64392248
I was thinking that too, but police in rural towns are small, poorly trained, and poorly funded. They'd have to call the Army.

>>64395611
>will have skinned, looted and raped the Russian intruders
probably but not necessarily in that order

>>64395644
It will be in that order and if the Russians are very lucky, the Estonians will kill them first if at all.

>>64392360
My favourite part of Zapad was the dumb-bomb exercise by strategic bombers flying at 1 km height.

>>64393260
We're not exactly talking about Burger police, here.

>>64395620
Considering that the US has lost troops recently to them then likely yes. They are pretty much the real life Dead Marshes.

>>64395620
>>64395744
Peat bogs are something you either learn to recognise and avoid fast or don't and play rng with your life every time you go off track on the moors.

>>64395611
Depends which part. Most stuff near the big ass lake in the east, yes. As soon as you go off road the bogs aint far. In north in the likliest invasion vector, lik narva, its rocky plateu though

>>64392187 (OP)
>100 armed men in civilian clothing
>Estonian Defence Forces : 7700 men
Those russians are not soldiers, then.
They are at best criminals and at worst terrorists.
Once a few cops get killed, an infantry bataillon is rolling there with air support and killing them all.
Russia's turn : does it want to avenge the dead of those poor russian expats ?

>>64395493
>>64395501

>>64395535
Neat.
I don’t think that would work in the US though. I wouldn’t trust Officer Bubbette with an anti-tank weapon.

>>64396104
This
Asva Finn wh grew up in a town surrounded by wilderness there are some places that just scream "don't go here unless you're tired of living" and you learn to recognize those hazards almost instinctively pretty fast.

Attacking from Narva seems basically impossible. Soviets lost 666k men there in half a year and only got through because the krauts started to pull out while Estonian volunteer SS units held it with 10k men vs 3 army groups. If you cross the Narva river you will straight up have to go through 20km of bogland or attack straight into 3 hills from open plain.

>>64396594
Not to mention that any Russian advance will stall once the troops have an opportunity to loot perfidious Estonian washing machines.

>>64395535
Police also has APCs

>>64395639
Remember how 2 kosovo cops stopped a squad of serbian spooks about two years ago?

>>64396978
That was two years ago? Time flies.

>>64392187 (OP)
little green men worked in 2014 only because the west was non confrontational and ukraine was a shitty nearly failed country, each of those houses would get bombed to shit and the crisis will be over in one day

>>64392187 (OP)
NATO would:

1) Rally algorithmic support and organic grassroots messaging to suppress FALSE NARRATIVES that the CIA or MI6 was behind such an event
2) Provide community based counseling and aid services for those displaced or impacted by the attack
3) Commit to a fact based approach that centerpieces the need to spread awareness of the event, while simultaneously developing a robust counter-narrative for both Russian attempts to downplay the seriousness of the event, and populist attempts to downplay the need for considerable funding and commitments in response.

>>64392187 (OP)
1. Openly query Putin, "are these your men?"
2. If the answer is no, proceed to kill them with hilarious overkill like that time in Syria. Can't use B-52s, but a B-2 precision strike + HIMARS would do fine.
3. If the answer is yes, do step (2) anyways and then remove any restrictions on donated weapons to Ukraine.

>>64392187 (OP)
Kaitseliit would murder the shit out of them and send the remains to the Russian CoS.

>m00sr

>>64392298
is a hellfire missile 'serious ordinance'? a few houses, a few missiles. math works out.

>>64395493
>>64395501
French nuke policy has always been cheerfully psychotic.

>Within ten years, we shall have the means to kill 80 million Russians. I truly believe that one does light-heartedly attack people who are able to kill 80 million Russians, even if one can kill 800 million French, that is if there were 800 million French.

>>64392187 (OP)
I need to buy some property on the Finnish side of the Finland-Russia border. Then if Russians invade and set up shop, I will personally request the Finnish armed forces to help me demolish the moldy buildings with some artillery.