Thread 64392877

Can videogames prepare people for actual war now?

>>64392877 (OP)
i mean if the "game" is something like "drone pilot simulator 2025" then yeah sure.

Arma 4 will be great
>reforger is shit and 1980s tier.
fugg, I guess that someone will make a mod with the clusterfuck Mk.3

>>64392877 (OP)
No, and the surest sign you're talking to a clueless idiot on this board is when they start referring to real life in video game terms.
t. lifelong gamer who understands the difference between fiction and reality

The only thing vidya prepares you for is crippling depression with a side of not getting laid

no. and drone+c4 was around since bf3

>>64392914
Cope. The military uses simulators to train troops and pilots

>>64392877 (OP)
>from c4 jeep to this
kino...

I'm just glad the drones are like bumblebees and not nearly as terrifying as the actual fpv drones diving on you at 30+ mph

>>64392952
c4 plus suicide jeep was around since bf2

>>64392877 (OP)
It depends.
>FPS
No. The core principle of combat is teamwork and overcoming real life obstacles, especially long term ones.
>RTS
Absolutely not, especially not gookclicks.
>actual military wargames, on a computer
Yes, but obviously only useful for officers.

>>64393006
>>64392976
>>64392952
Planetside 2 has a version of C4+vehicle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuZ5kaqpu0

>>64393021
>doing flash c4 without the cloak
ballsy nigga

>>64393050
gotta have a friend for that, he has no friends

>>64393014
Wargames don't take into account actual logistics, when that's the most important part in war. Units are spawened out of thin air because you have the required points for the deck. Don't ask how those units got into the theater, and how they can keep getting supplied or if those line are secure from enemy attack. Why should I need to destroy every single enemy unit or capture A point when I can destroy their HQ, their main supply base, destroy their ability to supply the units to force them to retreat?

>>64393099
Trying to claim that wargames that professional militaries use to train their own officers are unrealistic is the height of dunning kruger. We're not talking Warno, we're talking real ones.

>>64393109
You mean the same wargames that made the US and NATO generals think that Russia could take over Ukraine in 3 days or that Ukraine could punch through Russian lines during the summer offensive of 2024?

>>64392906
80s is super comfy warfare, anything after that becomes very fragmented and chaotic. there are mods. you haven't played it at all and i think it should stay that way. hopefully arma 4 drops console support.
>>64393099
if you play anything that does, it does. of course a shooty bang bang current year edition is going to be a bunch of nonsense.

>>64393210
Nta but hey, those wargames were played by competent generals, the real war on russian side was managed by drunken yes-men, with professional background in sawmill and icecream businesses

>>64392877 (OP)
Not on their own. You still need to do PT and get hands on experience with handling weapons. Not just rifles but missiles and bombs.

THAT BEING SAID, it's a lot cheaper to put a company of men in an Arma server than it is to actually give them guns, vehicles, and blanks for a day. You'll still be able to cover the important skills of "Not calling artillery on your current position" and "Remembering to pack fuel and ammo for the convoy" and "Not ordering an infantry charge against unsuppressed MG nests."

>>64393210
>Ukraine war tourist

>>64393210
This is kind of a nitpick.
Russia *could* have done if it they weren't retards and had a little more luck. There were situations in 22-24 Feb 2022 where Ukies came across Russian advance parties by sheer luck and lit them the fuck up, and completely borked Russia's invasion timetable. There were also Ukrainians on Russian payroll who just double-crossed them and didn't carry out their tasks like some traitors did in the south. And one of the funniest fails was how people were using IR beacons to spot targets for Russia but Ukrainians with cellphone cameras could film video out the window and see the IR light and warn the authorities. Russia did a lot of things wrong, but as retarded as they were they had a lot of early victories they could have stumbled into, if it wasn't for meddling Ukies driving past them by pure random chance.
The "go around the minefield lol" logic and minefield breach doctrine simply wasn't ready for an entire frontline being mined and the minefields being half a kilometer deep and twice as dense as minefields typically are laid.

>>64393253
80s is only comfy because its a giant farce that evades the actual post nuclear horror that would be WW3 in the 80s

>>64393361
Really helps for things like TOW operators and helicopter gunners too. Before simulations became a thing they'd generally get their first combat deployment having experienced actually live firing their equipment maybe twice, given the cost of missiles.

>>64393099
>Wargames don't take into account actual logistics,
Actually, some do. Squad, for example, has you running logi trucks full of ammo and building materials to forward bases.

>>64393109
WARNO is peak blyatskrieg simulator tho

>>64393385
Don't forget recoilless rifles. Those things will actually fuck you up if you fire enough shots.

I suck at BF6. I'm so used to playing Enlisted that I can't get into the quicker game and required movement for BF6.

>>64393374
Russia failed because of poor planning and systemic corruption. What they were capable of on paper simply wasn't what they could do in reality. They found out what happens an organization punishes honesty and rewards self-aggrandizement. Random chance wasn't the deciding factor of whether they took Kyiv in 3 days.

>>64393288
You meant the same competent generals who thought that if Ukraine just concentrated all their forces into one point while sustaining 30% casualties could punch through Russian defensive lines?

How much longer will human-piloted drones be a thing. If expect AI to take over mosy tasks soon.

>>64393006
You brought a smile to this old face

>>64393378
tell me you haven't played OFP without telling me you haven't played OFP

>>64393419
I don't think you can minimize the AI chips enough to make it effective. And how much are these mini AI chips going to use in power and how much are they going to add to cost?

We'll see them on million-dollar cruise missiles, and they probably already have the AI chips, but not for ~$500 drones.

>>64393419
In the immediate term, you'll soon see HITL drones that fly themselves but rely on a human operator for target acquisition. Drones that do their own target selection are further out, partially but not entirely for technical reasons. Nobody really wants to be the first to experiment with actual for real terminators.

>>64392877 (OP)
reminder BF4 had an explosive ucav drone back in 2013 or 14
EA knew whats up

I am training for the Russian invasion.

>>64394143
>no looted washing machines
fake and gay

>>64394156
>plays against ai
>third person's like a fag
>coombait player model
Kek, these are the type of retards that think virtual toys can prepare them for war lol, lmao even.

>>64393109
>>64392956
>simulators
>military wargames
yeah not really battlefield but ok go off retard

>>64393407
Yeah 6 years of all of the west training ukrainians and embedding special forces along all possible routes into the country as well as monitoring russian forces buildup certainly had no part in it, it was only russian incompetence/corruption and ukrainian valor

I think its time your tourist stay ended dumb faggot, go smoke your tranny girlfriends dick

>>64393440
Switchblades have had AI-powered target identification for a decade now. AI doesn't mean language models, they're a small subset of what's possible with AI/ML.

>>64393440
>boomer-/k/ thinks tech from three years back is physically impossible
it's all so tiresome

>>64392877 (OP)
https://youtu.be/r5Jcjuf_MW0?si=I2swJ8MkOYn5KnQL
Theyve been able to for 10 years

>>64394172
I own a nugget irl.

>>64392877 (OP)
>battlefield 6
way too many women yelling around everywhere, unrealistic and dumb
they also invited brie larson to the reveal event
GAY

>>64394351
I don't even notice the women in all the sheer noise going on, do they seriously wig you out that much?

>>64394372
get better headphones? if that doesn't work unironically see an audiologist
it is extremely apparent
>NVAAG

>>64392877 (OP)
Lmao no. Fuckin retard.

>>64394195
>>64394203
It could be the military industrial complex, making them so expensive. How many ~$500 drones could a military buy for one swichblade?
>Switchblade 300 cost $50k ~ $70k
>Switchblade 600 cost $100k ~ $150k
It seems the switchblade isn't on the same level as the ~$500 drone. Yes, the switchblade is better in every way, but just like the Sherman tank having enough of a weapon is more important than having a single over spec weapon.

>>64392976
It was cooler in battlebit

>>64394194
>gets mad at the suggestion that Ukrainian forces can do anything on their own
>mentions trannies out of nowhere
spotting vatniks is so easy

>>64393210
The entire reason Russia had any element of surprise at all was countries in the West, in particular France, seeing their drunken stumble to the border and immediately saying "there's no fucking way these retards would be stupid enough to try an invasion with this pathetic display, they'll get butchered".
The problem of course is that Russia IS that retarded and has been getting butchered at an impressive rate, even China would have a hard time keeping up with their death rate.

>>64394415
>battlebit
is this still relevant

>>64394412
The Switchblade works in heavily EW degraded environments where $500 temu drones can't operate. Even with spotty availability of Soviet-era EW on both sides in Ukraine, they're each losing 10,000 drones a month to it. Now imagine how much more widespread and effective EW equipment would be in a hypothetical US-China war. It doesn't matter how many $500 temu drones you can shit out when every single one of them is completely ineffective in combat. In such a war it's unlikely that China would bother fielding drones less capable and expensive than a Lancet (~$35k) after the first month.

>>64394412
>thirdie moment
Cost and numbers only start mattering once you have a competitive level of quality. Infinite spears struggle versus the Maxim gun.
FPVs are completely blocked by basic garage-amateur level jammers. They don't meet the minimum spec for Western peer combat. Switchblade isn't auto-blocked - Ukrainians famously use it to take out Russian jammer vehicles. So 1 Switchblade will get through where infinity $500 drones won't.

>>64394384
autism, most people don't care or notice because they're focusing on playing the game

>>64393006
>>64393430

https://youtu.be/SVCylMVMTiI?si=ho1D1xajSYqCqdyT&t=232

>>64394351
>invited brie larson
how do you invite cheese?

>>64392906
>reforger is shit
lol, no
>1980's tier
yes, kino

>>64395585
Any reason to play it rather than Arma 3 with mods?

>>64392956
Cope is thinking videogames prepare you for any type of reality that isn't obesity.

>>64392877 (OP)
jihad jeeping has evolved

>>64396084
But I'm skinny nerd body type.

>>64396084
lol

>>64396084
I better start playing vidya then

>>64396165
I call my hands "rat hands" because they're so bony like that. Even when I was a fatman lol.

Is BF6 good /k/? My last one was 3 and im reading good user reviews about it.
Can I even play using windows 10?

>>64392976
this is how videogames help. they won't make you competent but they'll provide you with knowledge that can absolutely be leveraged into survival and success (if you're smart, but you aren't, unlike our tanker bro here)

>>64396234
idk about system requirements but yeah basically this is DICE finally realizing how many people just wanted another BF3/BF4, and so they made exactly that. It's quite good

>>64395553
>most people are stupid and can't hear sounds
ok deaf retard

>>64395571
by paying it apparently

>>64396311
>consoleniggers

>>64396323
being mad and elitist about what people play games on is hilarious

Videogames teach important concepts that people simply don't have as part of their instincts as human and everyone from doorkickers in Iraq and Afghanistan to trench raiders in Ukraine have said as much. Anyone claiming otherwise is just a massive salty jealous bitch who wants to gatekeep "real war" somehow.

I don't even understand why, videogames are the most popular form of entertainment worldwide, EVERYONE plays them, people, especially young military aged men, no longer watch movies or tv or do anything other than gaming, gym and work in this economy. We're rapidly approaching the point in which people who don't game no longer exist. Why get salty about it? Like bitching that soldiers looked up to John Wayne or Clint Eastwood in the past. You're not cool for being a boring no lifer who can't relate to the average human experience.

>>64396371
pc is objectively superior and everyone knows it

>>64394452
No lol. Dead as dirt.

>>64394194
>Yeah 6 years of all of the west training ukrainians
That training got to 30-50k people at MOST and we don't even know how many had ended their contracts by 2022 so they'd have to be mobilized and weren't ready and kitted up for D Day.
Plus that would be at best 50k people in an army that's 200-300k strong or whatever, and had to be boosted with conscription and volunteer recruits to something like 700k, plus territorial defense forces. Nothing guarantees a NATO-trained Ukrainian gets put in a unit where the other guys have NATO training which means his skills would go to waste as nobody would know how to cooperate.

>>64392914
Bruh. Modern day commanders have access to real time top down video feeds of the battlefield via drones, just like in RTS games. Being good at noticing things on the screen, keeping it in your brain while you plan an action and then coordinating your dudes all over the field are all gaymer skills. Tabletop wargaming was derived from actual training tools for officers too. Many athletic sports are also descended from military skills. War and games have a long history. Drones have ended the reign of homoerotic-macho jocks. Now is the time of fat gamers to rule the military.

>>64396070
Yeah it doesn't play like ass and isn't a pain to get running well with mods

>>64396234
Pretty sure you need W11, but W11 IOT LTSC doesn't have any of the bullshit people complain about in W11. It's a solidly better OS than W10 if you're not a teenage baby duck with an nostalgic attachment to what was the worst ever release of Windows back in its day.

I don’t think anyone really understands how dire things are. This isn’t going to be another War. The world is unspooling at both ends and there isn’t anything anyone can do anymore to stop it. The supply chain is over, it’s fucked. It doesn’t matter what you believe or where you are, fact is you need a machine from somewhere else to build a part for the machine you need to build your other machines.

Both global powers are now sabotaging this model. China is a retarded leviathan that truly believes that the science of social-racial progress will grant them global hegemony even as their internal rot bloats to truly staggering proportions. Meanwhile Trump is tearing out the roots of the global status quo that four generations of Americans built, for gains so short term he’s scaring private equity.

The Euros Koreans, Japanese can’t adapt fast enough, and the third world sure as fuck won’t. With that goes the economy, just in time for the other crises. Nobody reads the documents except me apparently, but UN was projecting north of a billion climate refugees before the US gibs stopped. All you need to do is look at any Africa population pyramid and realize when the heatwaves start killing enough people getting to Europe is do or die. Play some vermintide if you still don’t get it.

I think everyone can feel it in the air. We are entering truly ahistoric times, perhaps this will be like the bronze age collapse, but we really have no idea what happened back then. Things are driven by irrational social instinct now, like Germany in 1620 or when the Amorites put Sumeria to the torch. Cherish these last few moments of our golden age, it is ending.

>t. knower

>>64399187
>chatgpt, pretend you're a schizophrenic /pol/tard, and create a rambling post completely irrelevant to the topic of the thread

>>64392877 (OP)
yes, game-like tools are used for officer and specialist training
but what you can buy on steam is neither of those

>>64393394
Come on now.

>>64392877 (OP)
>>64392914
>>64396084
I 'member learning from video games that you should only take a few shots and then immediately take cover, and once you want to emerge to fire again do so from a different position, move a few meters to another direction etc. never pop out from the exact same position. Tried it out when I was in training, worked pretty well.

>>64392877 (OP)
Ofc they do.

>>64399194
This pretty typical of /v/-tier threads.

you can and armies do

>>64392877 (OP)
did isis prepared people for war?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkxR6YBLNKo

>>64393374
> There were situations in 22-24 Feb 2022 where Ukies came across Russian advance parties by sheer luck and lit them the fuck up,
Not luck. The USA leaked Russian invasion plans to Ukraine. Turned out we had them spotted before they even crossed the boarder.

4 years of the 3 day special operation rustrannies and guess what CS2 and dota are dead because you're all fucking dead KEEK

>>64399237
No, YOU come on now. Don't count CoD as a wargame.

>>64400301
>usa leaked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCV6B4qL3WU

how did they forgot about this then

>>64400349
They didn't. The whole thing turned into a shooting gallery with Russian VDV units being torn apart with MGs and ATGMs. Didn't you hear about Saint Javelin?

>>64392976
Is tankerbro still alive? I hope he's alive

>>64392877 (OP)
>child doesn't know what Americas army is
Wow

>>64400867
this didnt happen inside of the city anon...

>>64393021
ok Boomer

>>64394452
Apparently there's a new update coming.

>>64400301
Nigga a leaked plan doesn't say where every individual unit is going to be.
I remember one of those stories, the Ukrainians happened to see Russian spec ops and they ran towards a school building or whatever. The Ukrainians tossed incendiaries into the building to flush them out, but the Russians knew they would get gunned down if they ran so put on gas masks to deal with the smoke and tried to wait it out to see if they got an opening to escape. The Ukies understood what they were trying to do so they stood outside until the fire killed them.

>>64392877 (OP)
>>64400083
>be me some years ago
>in the military (conscripted)
>military has bought VBS (virtual battle simulator)
>basically Arma 3 but even more realistic, custom tailored for military use (you can't buy it as a civilian)
>we go down to the computer hall and are supposed to train with this program/game
>I have like 300 hours in arma 3
>trainers get everyone familiar with the simulator (remember, conscript army; some may have never even played a video game before)
>I have already blasted through the tutorial
>I also went third person
>trainer sees this
>I get shouted at, and told to wait up and follow instructions

>next week
>training on VBS again
>this time in fireteams of 3
>we will clear a forest of the enemy
>get instructions and told to follow them exactly
>do so
>all 3 dies and we fail the mission
>take matters into my own hands
>show the other two how to actually play the game
>we run like in COD through the forest just blasting the braindead AI
>no casualties, all enemies eliminated
>higher ups gather info on what we thought about this simulator
>I say it was a waste of time
>we never go to the computer hall again

>>64401121
And the Javelin has a range of 4 km. What's you're point?
>>64401646
No, but they didn't have to. US intelligence gave Ukraine Russian numbers, starting locations, and objectives. Ukraine commanders knew the terrain so they could work out the best infiltration routes and station the best troops along those routes. Russian spec ops might be able to bypass a patrol or two but each one was a roll of the dice. Eventually, all the infiltrators were spotted, chased into a corner, and eliminated. Either via surrender, gunshot, explosive, or in your example fire.

>>64394143
>>64394147
>>64394153
>>64394156
>C7
A FUCKING LEAF

>>64400083
Fun fact, you can make missions in VBS and then import them into the EST range for collective training.