Thread 64474546

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First for I'm gucci, and the rest of you are gay.

>>64474550
Yeah well the Russians got bigger dickflaps than either of us. Actually, maybe not, my DMGEAR XL is huge. Whole ass Hesco L210 in it. Just letting you know. :)
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Quick and dirty "what plates should I buy on a budget?":
Level III: Hesco 3411 or LTC 19513.
Level IV: Hesco 4403.
As discussed thoroughly two threads ago, RMA is still bad. AR500's 8lb+ A4 plate is terrible. Last thread we discussed trauma pads that actually work, just not the flimsy 0.2" little shits RMA and AR500 like to sell.

>>64474591
>DMGEAR XL is huge. Whole ass Hesco L210 in it
How much does that impair general movement, fatigue, and ingress/egress from cars? I'm sure the extra 5lbs up front is noticeable.

>>64474605
I don't really notice, because I'm already carrying an extra 5 pounds between my legs anyway.

>>64474630
>>64474637
nice

>>64474483
>We'll just have to wait for some plates to fall off the logi truck somewhere. I'd wager we'll see independent testing by the end of '25.
LSAPI was just awarded earlier this year and there's less than 100k of them. I bet some will show on Tacswap by Christmas.
>Yep. Second block of the >>64474275 # table: 6 hits from 10m away, with velocities within 10m/s of each other, no pen.
That's outstanding. Gives Chinesium-American plates like the 8.4lb Gilliam 8002 a run for their money. Sad part is that there's literally no known plate CONUS, civilian accessible or otherwise, that can match 6x 7N37.
>At 800m standoff, tho, you'll get bowled over, but might have a chance to get up after.
Rookie numbers. Upgrade the CAP to that third gen Capytech model you were talking about.
>to precise DMR and sniper shots. And the battle of minds continues :3
True. In theory this BR5+ should be able to stop 7N51 with reasonable (100-200m) standoff since it's just 7N37 on cialis.
>It's a plate-shaped block of 3D-printed TPE with infill made of gyroid structures. IDK if any CAD software can generate those OOTB or you need to code up a plugin for that, but once you have that, the rest is trivial.
Could be a fun project.
>That seems to be a theme ITT, as well as in Tarkov.
Well protection against actually modern tungsten ammo is always based.
>>64474518
>IIA ballistic ballcap with inane branding, anyone?
What, you don't like Cacuss 1985? Secret Chinese black ops mission into Japan, they took out the entire Tojo Clan using an 83' Corolla with 200lb C4 in the trunk.
>Essentially, a (more) segmented, wraparound dick flap-ass pad combo. Theoretically, higher mobility and better coverage than even multi-segmented dick flap designs, and easier to manufacture, at the cost of more mass, signature and ball sweat
Yeah, IMO it's sound but does add a lot of bulk.

>>64474605
It's rough by itself (furious cock-slapping courtesy of HESCO) but I have it attached to a Jinwudun skirt and that actually pads it out. I have a second with another L210 to cover my ass. This balances it out. Tacscorp velcro-molle panels are how they attach.

>>64474643
>Sad part is that there's literally no known plate CONUS, civilian accessible or otherwise, that can match 6x 7N37.
Thing is, though:
> Trusting Russian test reports.
EVERY time /gq/ has done that in the past, we have been embarrassed. I'd wait to see results either from a US lab, a US military source or paper, or even a YouTube vid with no potential for baiting and switching.
Until then, I think it's literally retarded to take it at face value. The Russians have means and a strong motive to falsify reports in a credible-seeming way.

>>64474698
Also remember this?

>>64474698
>Trusting Russian test reports.
>EVERY time /gq/ has done that in the past, we have been embarrassed.
I dont think /gq/ has ever actually done that

>>64474698
Well, the difference between this and the plates /gq/ and /bag/ hyped up in the past (Atlas and Hyperion) is that these numbers check out better. 7.6lb without required soft armor, or a CAP, because this is Roosia, is very heavy by modern armor standards. It's a pound and change heavier than the Colossus and more than two pounds heavier than "acceptable" VTP XSAPI weight.
Hyperions allegedly weighing under 8lb claimed to stop thirty 7.62x54R B-32M API and at least two 7N37. They had 5lb plates that claimed to eat twenty 7.62x39mm BZ API. That level of crack arresting is impossible, even for a ceramic tile array. Even LIBA plates shit the bed after 15-20 due to delam. As for Atlas, they claimed they had ~7lb plates that could stop 3x 12.7x108mm B-32 API at 50 meters, per their BR6 rating. These "2024 Granits" can only stop one at 800 meters, with soft armor AND CAP, and BFD is still sketchy. They weigh more than the Atlas plates.

Obviously Russian paperwork needs to be scrutinized - but all armor needs to be scrutinized. No company should get a free pass. I think the Ruskies are onto something with these Capytech CAPs though.
>>64474707
Propaganda warrior supreme.

>>64474724
Eh yeah it happened. For a while you could buy gray market Granits (first gen 6B45 stuff) and people were hyping them up as significantly better than our NIJ Level IV. They forgot that B-32 API is actually inferior to M2AP (for a while people thought they were equals - even dudes like Apex) and Granits are "double ICW" and need both soft armor and a climate panel (heavy duty trauma pad - the thin ones typically sold CONUS won't cut it) to meet rated specs. Granted BFD is way lower with the climate panel, or "CAP."
These new "2024 Granits" are seriously impressive though assuming that test report aint forged. The Adept Colossus loses to 1x 7N37 but this sucker stops six.

Is it worth looking for Black Friday deals for gear that's actually worth using? New to this.

>>64474785
It depends but yeah, use your judgment and make sure the deals are legit and not just discounted to the normal price.

>>64474785
sure, but dont sleep on veterans day sales

>>64474591
>my DMGEAR XL is huge. Whole ass Hesco L210 in it.
You absolute mad lad, how high is it riding on your belly to not slap the shit out of your thighs when you walk?

>>64474657
Holy fuck, now I have to see this walking palm tree of ballistic ball slapping.

>>64474707
kek, I remember. Back in the day, when peacetime MoD and contractors swirled in a gracious dance of budget appropriation and kickbacks. Ah, simpler times.

We DO have a soldier exoskeleton currently in commercial production, actually, completely unrelated to this clownshow. Br1\C2 armored pants with exoframe to unload your spine. With some optional extras, you can essentially hang your vest off of it, unloading your shoulders to the tune of 20-30kg.

>>64474940
You absolute mad lad, how high is it riding on your belly to not slap the shit out of your thighs when you walk?
It sits just above my waist. The Jinwudun kilt thing pads it and prevents the ball slappage. Absolute no-go if you just run the thing off your carrier, that is unless you're just using a IIIA plate backer. Tried that, flips around like a motherfucker. Must be unbearable with Level IV. Reportedly Ukrainians are buying up 8x10 Hescos and using them in the smaller "Sabado" version. My DMGEAR XLs fit plates up to 1.2", so you could swing a Granit BR5+ and stop 7N37 to your dick. Run a CAP on the back of the bag and eat 12.7x108mm B-32 API from 800 meters. That sounds like fun.
Anyways, the top of the skirt where the DMGEAR XLs attach is unarmored so I have a slight "midriff gap" before the kilt meets the bottom of my carrier. I could attach the XL pouches to my TT vest but that puts way too much weight on it.
>Holy fuck, now I have to see this walking palm tree of ballistic ball slapping.
It's... definitely something. I'll get you a pic later.
>unloading your shoulders to the tune of 20-30kg.
Yes fucking please can I buy it on Aliexpress yet?

>>64474643
>I bet some will show on Tacswap by Christmas.
Some things never change, no matter the nation or the epoch. Like army quartermasters.
>there's literally no known plate CONUS, civilian accessible or otherwise, that can match 6x 7N37.
OTOH, there's not enough 7n37 on your side of the pond to be a meaningful threat to anybody.
>should be able to stop 7N51 with reasonable (100-200m) standoff since it's just 7N37 on cialis.
We'll probably see 7n51 make an appearance in the testing schedule on the next iteration of Granits. Maybe even sooner, if SShTF steps up their game and rolls out its own Br5+ plate.
>Secret Chinese black ops mission into Japan
hard kek. I'd pirate an anime of that.
> it's sound but does add a lot of bulk.
We need to ask >>64474657 for pics of his setup. Maybe a webm even, as a treat.

Also, check out this IIIA all-around brain bucket for only $529! Don't you want to be cool?

>>64474978
>swing a Granit BR5+ and stop 7N37 to your dick
You're no stranger to all kinds of fun.
>I have a slight "midriff gap"
Now you're just fucking teasing.
>I'll get you a pic later.
Waiting with bated breath, plz respond.
>Yes fucking please can I buy it on Aliexpress yet?
lol no, original equipment, only for real cockhol rapists. Also, it costs just under $2k before accessories.

>>64474992
>OTOH, there's not enough 7n37 on your side of the pond to be a meaningful threat to anybody.
Yeah, but it's a mark of the future of AP ammunition and stopping it is a lot more future-proofed than Swiss P AP like the Adept Colossus. Swiss P is used by a handful of police departments.
>We'll probably see 7n51 make an appearance in the testing schedule on the next iteration of Granits.
Very good. Now two questions remain.
1. The Br5+ plates are already damn heavy for a milspec plate. Is the plan to keep going up in weight or will the mfg's turn to TiB2-SiC?
2. How about 7N49? We're at the point where a "BR5++" 7N51 (or XSAPI+++ for that matter) plate will only provide meaningful added protection against snipers. That's where .338 comes out to play.
>Maybe a webm even, as a treat.
I am not posting a webm shaking my ass. I know this is gear queers but c'mon. I'll post a pic or two tuesday when I'm back.
>Also, check out this IIIA all-around brain bucket for only $529! Don't you want to be cool?
Jinwudun strikes again. I'll do you one better. Check out this Level III 5lb brain bucket! Low cut and $800!
https://jinwudun.com/products/jwd-level-nij-iii-bulletproof-helmet-mich-2000-helmet-type-helmet-15-meters-defense-7-62-51-m80-bullet-pe-material

horny fukkin rssians in this thread the fuk

>>64474751
It's the six shot per plate thing that bothers me. I think it's bullshit. Monolithic plates don't have that kind of multi-hit performance vs. AP rounds like that. Your "multi-hit capable" Hesco 4601 failed vs. the second M2AP shot, didn't it? And M2AP is small fry next to 7N39. So it would have to be some kind of LIBA-esque pellet plate, but it's not heavy enough for that.
I'm 99.99% sure that it's a doctored/fake/propaganda plate, like pretty much everything else we've seen thus far from Russia on the armor side. OR they tested 100 plates and published the only one to attain a good result - a statistical anomaly.
Also, from literally everything we've seen over the course of the war, their best gear is literally what we call "shit tier Chinesium".

>>64475066
Well, it's three things that can be in play.
1. The super amazing BR5+ Granit is probably a ceramic tile array like the originals, except they switched to (a probably doped and also pretty thick) SiC from Alumina. CTAs are much better than normal monolithics multi-hit wise but eat a weight penalty.
2. Shot spacing. CTAs usually need each hit to be on a separate tile.
3. Shot placement. The 4601 did fail on the second hit, but that one anon's 4400 stopped half a dozen M2AP. Buffman abides by NIJ fair hit rules, so minimum 2" spacing within the 6x8" fair hit box. That anon basically ran the perimeter on edge hits and one lower left, IIRC. "Crown" hits in the center are the hardest on the plate.
>Monolithic plates don't have that kind of multi-hit performance vs. AP rounds like that.
Old Ceradyne and Cercom mono plates had equal or better multi-hit, against lesser threats, but they needed serious crack arresting layers. The CER-EMH could do 10x M80 with 1" spacing, Ceradyne MH3 10-12x M995 and it was 4.2lb ICW IIIA. This is most likely a CTA.
>And M2AP is small fry next to 7N39.
7N37, 7N39 is the underperforming 5.45 counterpart that gets handled by Alumina-PE BR5 plates like the Filins.
>Also, from literally everything we've seen over the course of the war, their best gear is literally what we call "shit tier Chinesium".
Yeah, we've got Ukie sources on one side showing their armor is red steel you can bend with your hands and literal cardboard fake Granits, then we've got Ruskie sources telling us 7N37-rated, nearly 8lb turbo granits are replacing standard BR5. Who to believe? Both xan be true. On one end the mobiks are getting shit, but primo units get serious armor. Seems haphazard to me.

>>64475023
>Now two questions remain.
We'll just have to wait and see. My guess is that these new Granits are already at upper limits of what can be considered acceptable for long-term wear, so to reach further towards Br6, they have to bust out some new chemistry. Maybe the Chinese will share the secrets of their Oriental alchemy, maybe some long-shelved research will emerge from the dusty archives of a long-disbanded research institute. Who knows? But I sincerely doubt we'll see thicker and heavier plates out of primary GI manufacturers. It's already dummy thicc.
Also, since SVCh-8.6 is officially in service, .338 AP is now also a DMR round. Nowhere to hide :3
>Check out this Level III 5lb brain bucket!
a MICH of my dreams! I've always wanted to tank a .308 with my forehead and walk it off.
Srsly tho, it's a tall claim for a PE helmet. I remember Oxide harshly criticizing mainstream PE helmets for unacceptable BFD in face of trivial threats.

>>64475030
It's only me. It's 5 AM in Moscow, I'm on the night shift and bored.

>>64475066
>Monolithic plates don't have that kind of multi-hit performance
Granit isn't monolithic, it's a segmented plate. The lighter Br4+ plate failed one of B-32 shots because it was a second hit on already shattered segment, and it's shown in the report.

Also, this isn't ad copy we're talking about. It's a report from an independent certified lab pertaining to a quality test of critical life-saving equipment. Equipment relied upon by people who won't hesitate to disappear a mofo if it somehow turns out to be faulty despite all assurances. It's actually bottom-tier classified (confidential) and y'all aren't supposed to read that.
>they tested 100 plates and published the only one to attain a good result
They tested 12 of each plate, actually, with different threats, and x-rayed 3 of them to get a good look at internal deformation under .338 and B-32 hits.

>>64475179
>Maybe the Chinese will share the secrets of their Oriental alchemy
Doping SiC with TiB2 nets a pretty hefty improvement against tungsten threats, but to get to BR6 at a workable weight probably requires B4C. Do that and you will start losing to 7N37 due to WC-core induced amorphization. 12.7x108 B-32 API is steel core so that won't occur at BR6.
Word did come out about Adept Armor's attempts at Polycrystalline Diamond. 10% better than TiB2-SiC but strike face cost is ten times higher, so a 5.76lb PM-12 "Turbo Colossus" plate would definitely be on the table but it'd be $4,500 a pop easy. In other words, this BR5+ performance could be matched for under 6.5lb, but roughly $5k a plate. Average joe balks at 4601s that are 1k a set, no way that's market feasible.
>Also, since SVCh-8.6 is officially in service, .338 AP is now also a DMR round. Nowhere to hide :3
Five mags of 7N49 tungsten AP, that, and a good thermal with drone coverage sounds like a great time.
>a MICH of my dreams! I've always wanted to tank a .308 with my forehead and walk it off.
Multi-hit, mi amigo.
>Srsly tho, it's a tall claim for a PE helmet. I remember Oxide harshly criticizing mainstream PE helmets for unacceptable BFD in face of trivial threats.
Yeah, I'd like to see a ceramic layer on that. If it's that heavy but gets wrecked by M855 or 7N10 it has little purpose.

>>64475159
>the mobiks
Yeah, I have to address that.
There have been no new mobilization in Russia since that one big wave in '22. Everyone who enlisted after that, did so as a volunteer under contract, with base salary at ~4*national median. The mobilized - those of them not wounded, killed or otherwise discharged - are still in the army, but no new mobiks have been added since, despite all FUD to the contrary.

That being said, '22 mobilization was a shitshow of epic proportions. While I personally doubt that carboard replica plates showed up anywhere near the frontline, there certainly was a lot of sub-par, fake and\or inappropriate gear thrown around. A huge crowd of incompetent people, often led by equally incompetent "reserve officers", equipped as well or as poorly as situation and stores (often pilfered in the peacetime) allowed, trying not to die as hard as they can. Few of those people actually got the Granits they were supposed to be wearing.

This is, of course, completely irrelevant to the quality of actual bona-fide Granit plates or the accuracy of official test reports on it.

>>64475222
222 is actually the article in Penal Code of Russian Federation dealing with illegal firearms manufacture.

>10% better than TiB2-SiC
>$5k a plate
Holy mother of Pareto. Yeah, no, unless you're a Tier 1 unit with unlimited budged, you're not swinging that.

>Do that and you will start losing to 7N37 due to WC-core induced amorphization
I think at this point, it would make sense to introduce a class midway between Br5 and Br6, focused specifically on body armor and threats relevant to it. Testing body armor against API ammo intended to disable light vehicle armor and hardware is retarded. We'll see how that goes when the plates appear, tho.

>sounds like a great time.
Sure does, dude.

>Multi-hit, mi amigo.
top zozzle. I know a couple of guys who'd put that to the test.

>>64475309
Thanks for the info about the Mobik situation.
>Holy mother of Pareto. Yeah, no, unless you're a Tier 1 unit with unlimited budged, you're not swinging that.
Not even. Delta's plates of choice in 2009 were Ceradyne 96034s that were 5.3lb a pop, standalone, Swimmer medium, and rated for, and this was heavily debated a long time ago and remains conjecture, 1x 7.62x51mm Swiss P AP or M993. Apparently the strike face of choice was a boron-enriched boron carbide, a Ceradyne secret that resolved the amorphization problem. That was a $1.7k plate then and less than 200 were made. Highest performance Ceradyne that wasn't a Zylon-backed early-00s freakshow plate.
>I think at this point, it would make sense to introduce a class midway between Br5 and Br6, focused specifically on body armor and threats relevant to it.
I agree. Maybe move BR6 to "Special Class" and make the new BR6 3x 7.62x54R 7N51 at whatever velocity. Euro standard VPAM has a similar quirk where PM-13 is 3x tungsten core .50 Swiss P Penetrator and PM-14 is 3x 14.5x114mm B-32 API, which is steel core. In theory you could concoct a boron carbide PM-14 solution that fails PM-13. In the US, many Level IV plates fail the NIJ Level III test. Rating systems have their quirks.
>top zozzle. I know a couple of guys who'd put that to the test.
You know, Tencate had Level IV overhelmet appliques back in the day. A full helmet weighed over 9lb but it can be done.
>>64475066
A part I forgot to mention is that while this six hit 7N37 Granit seems totally badass, and it is because it's the strongest plate with a test report I think ever, Western armor manufacturers can totally mog this if you stop holding them to annoyingly tight weight requirements like VTP XSAPI. Ceradyne is dead and boron enriched strike faces are basically lost technology, but anything the Ruskies can do, Tencate or LTC can probably do better. It'll cost an arm and a leg but it can be done.

>>64474546 (OP)
Figured I'd ask here because I can't think of any other thread anons would modify gear in. I'm using a USMC chest rig harness as a starting point to try and get some kind of usable hunting setup out of it; this is one of many experiments I've tried. What I have so far is the back two straps are folded down and looped to a pistol belt. The front two straps I added an adjustable section to and they're looped to the front of the pistol belt. Not totally happy with it and I think I should hook it (kinda like the pistol belt suspenders). I like that this doesn't have padded suspender straps, I like the design, and I think I can get it to work, but I do have issues with it bunching up oddly at the shoulders and my lower back still hurts with very minimal loading at my 6 o'clock. I think I might have to tighten the belt and make sure the suspenders are tight enough that they hold some of the load that the very least. Any tips from those who have tried something similar? Looking to eventually add a holster to it at the least and pouches for water bottles/canteens.

>>64474546 (OP)
>>64475771
fuck, my picture. Anyways, I'm just basically looking for some tips on what I might be overlooking and what I may be fucking up either in design or adjustment.

>>64475159
> then we've got Ruskie sources telling us 7N37-rated, nearly 8lb turbo granits are replacing standard BR5.
These need soft armor? So nearly 9lb in total? I guess it makes sense - that's almost Colossus Heavy 12.7mm AP plate tier. It would suck to wear all day, though!
>>64475179
> Granit isn't monolithic, it's a segmented plate
That explains it, thanks.

>>64476303
Soft armor and then a CAP, which is a trauma pad that goes on the wear side of your platebag.

>>64475023
>Jinwudun strikes again.
how dog shit are these?
I am guessing horrendous bfd, but frag protection for less than a bump helmet doesn't sound too bad

>>64476962
Almost totally unproven B-grade Chinesium. Jinwudun is one of the new upstart Chinesium companies, along with GBES and GTS, trying to compete with Militech (the "A-grade" Chinesium armor mfg) since they decided to go premium.
In short, nobody knows about those helmets for sure. Their helmets, especially that Level III, are the untested of the east. Their plates are poor and comparable to Aholdtech. Jinwudun is best for cheap shields and extremity armor, both of which are far harder to fuck up than helmets.

>>64477052
>Aholdtech
Sorry, but ackshually that's Aholetech.

drawfag here. What gear color combo is most kino in regard to the ubiquitous grey tech jackets I see in a lot of coolguy pictures? Is there something that also goes with black base layers? Multicam is so boring

>>64477072
earthtones all work together pretty well. hard to fuck up

>>64477054
Do you even Highcum bro? Gonna Jinwankdun all over the place? Can't tencate it anymore? Need tech support from Saaradyne?

Lots of good armor discussions lately. What about PGD plates - any secret lore? I remember some controversy whether they actually make their products in china and whatnot. Im looking at their u-line esapi lvl4

>>64475773
You'd probably be better off getting actual suspenders, chest rig harnesses don't really do the same thing as well in my experience.

>>64474546 (OP)
>>64474546 (OP)
Being a no-belt, can /k/ give me some QRD on the buying of a CCing belt (G43/Hellcat sized gun) + a sporting open-carry belt (G34/USP Expert sized gun) ? I need something robust, reliable, not too luxurious. Something available in Europe, or that can be sent there. Many thanks /k/ommandos.

>>64477072
Coyote brown and ranger green/OD go hard with almost anything

>>64478105
I use just a nice leather belt for my edc, a 92X compact and wml. I have a bad back, the soft leather helps cushion the weight. I used the Ciquera belt for a while and ended up not liking it.
For a gun belt, I recommend the Eagle Ind operator belt, it's a gun belt and nothing fancy, no need to fork out more cash for something that does the exact same thing. It uses loop velcro on the inside so it wont fuck up your outer layers or skin if you decide not to use an inner belt.

>>64478101
Going to keep trying to make it work. I think, despite not completely liking the design, that the hooks on the pistol belt suspenders (the ones that snap shut on a swivel) is a big part of what makes them function. Hangs all the weight off the top of the belt and keeps the harness pretty well anchored as well, unlike my "loop" idea. That means I need to figure out a way to do the same, maybe with paracord. If the design doesn't work out, whatever, I got half a chestrig for like five dollars. Win win. I'm just tired of dealing with a backpack is all.

my setup has achieved final form

>>64476303
>These need soft armor? So nearly 9lb in total?
No, not really. The only test that the plate alone failed, but plate+packets+CAP setup survived was 12.7 B-32 @ 800m standoff. I've provided a photo in the last thread (picrel, lower right) showing total BFD from a bunch of 7.62 B-32 impacts on a single plate, it's not that much.
And again, this testing protocol was developed with conventional force equipment in mind. It's assumed one is wearing these plates as par of a high-frag-area infantry armor set like the Ratnik, not in a slick plate carrier.

>>64477072
Either black\MCblack gear on grey layers for "urban" look, or tan\MC gear like your picrel for the outdoorsy, "light infantry innawoods" vibe.

>>64478210
Oi, wheres your armor cunt?!
>3 mags
poofter

>>64478346
Armour is illegal here and I wouldn't pay for my own anyway. Will get more than 3 mags, but we're limited to 10 round mags anyway sadly.

>>64474546 (OP)
Whats the best pair of "do-it-all" outdoor footwear? I want something that I can hike, shoot, and ruck in, in most conditions. preferably under $200. I live in NC if that helps. I was looking at the Goruck macv-2's.

>>64477988
PGD has one Chinese padding system but the rest is European. The helmets have mixed reviews but the plates are fine. Have you compared their Uline Level IV against their Berzerker IV? I would do that.
>Lots of good armor discussions lately. What about PGD plates
Thanks go to the Russian armor anon for prompting the talk about "Carbide Granits" and these new-gen CAPs. We're definitely in need of a Russian armor infographic - that stuff is basically wild west but east.
>>64478218
Gets even better.
>>64478449
>armour
Which part of Europe? IIRC UK doesn't have any issues.

>>64478812
Patch says STRAYA so I assume Austria

>>64478819
Damn, I forgot that the sun never sets on tea and crumpets. Anyways, looks like he should go buy a shield. Same deal as people in NY. If it's worn, no go, if you just hold it, seems to be fine but IANAL. I'm not familiar with the regional Aussie market but I imagine it's shit.

(1) A bulletproof vest or protective body vest or body armour designed to prevent the penetration of small arms projectiles is a category E weapon.
>tfw lifesaving equipment is a weapon
(2) In this section— body armour—

(a) means an article designed for anti-ballistic purposes that is designed to be WORN (emphasis mine) on a part of the body; and (b) does not include a helmet, or other article, designed for sight or hearing protection.

You CAN get a permit but I doubt that's shall-issue. Sorry about the situation aussie anon.

>>64478449
>Jew York
Ngmi

>>64478831
It's alright. I hated wearing body armour anyway.
If it comes to it, I'm sure I can find one after a battle.
Chest rig will be lighter and more mobile for Rhodesian tactics.

>>64478902
Get this man a shield. Home defense in the Bronx is gonna look like a bad MW3 lobby, except the Glock 18s are just ladders.

>>64478943
>I hated wearing body armour anyway.
What level and weight?

>>64478949
Army-issue. I don't know the specs.

>>64478958
Craig Ballistics ring a bell? Their Level IVs run over 6lb with soft armor. Armour Australia seems to be the other big player - they've got a PXULV competitor 11mm thick, which is neat. Sadly you lost domestic production from Highcum earlier this year.

What are the best plates for the money that are sub 5 lb? Hard requirement. must be sub 5 no exceptions. medium SAPI or 10x12. purely best performance for the money.

>>64479117
>purely best performance for the money.
There's a lot to the term "performance." What's your budget and desired protection level? Sub-5lb locks you out of Level IV almost entirely. Hesco 4800 is 4.9lb for a 10x12 but the drop foam is wanting. Also expensive and IMO underbuilt. Anything lighter than that either costs even more or has backface deformation concerns like the Dayton RF3. Realistically you'd be looking at B-32 API / M80A1 plates like the LTC 28570, which you cannot buy first hand (needs to be "off a truck") or M855A1 / BZ API / M80 plates like the VS-PBZSA. You can go lighter still with the Hesco 3811, but that concedes M855A1 and BZ API versus the PBZSA. Protection level is entirely your call. Your weight requirement demands a solid budget to get quality plates.
Wait six months for some LSAPIs to show up second hand, that could also be a worthy option.

>>64479148
ok maybe not hard for sub 5, let's say sub 6 lb then, the best protection for the money, maybe price per rating or some weird chatgpt slop formula? I know the ltc 19513 is probably in the running.

>>64479053
Fraid not. You seem to have good knowledge on armour. I'd need to upgrade to a plate carrier first, some day.

Armor autist, can you send me that test info/data on the RMA XRT please

>>64478210
>Armour is illegal here
>limited to 10 round mags
>tfw lifesaving equipment is a weapon
cucked\10, would not colonize
And here I was thinking that Russian authorities were unreasonably restrictive about arms&armor.

>>64478812
>We're definitely in need of a Russian armor infographic
Yeah, you and me both. Without your prompting I wouldnt've done this much research and just went with Schelkovo Br5 plates by default for my next setup. I still probably will, but I'll keep an eye out for new Granits now.

>>64479169
just look up buffman, it did pretty badly lol also no drop foam

>>64479151
LTC 19513 is the best overall domestically produced III++ that stops M80 and M855A1. Hesco 3411 is a touch heavier but has an NIJ cert for Level III and picks up 7.62x39mm BZ API - which is rare enough CONUS you can drop it and not really be left wanting.
If we permit Chinese plates then it's the Militech RF3 Black Label at 6.05lb for a 10x12" - which is just a hair over your weight budget - but $540 a set. With their stupid tariff coverage fee that's about $700. LTC 19513 is $800 a set, Hesco 3411 $784 a set. Neither the 3411 or 19513 are rated for M80A1, M61, B-32 API, or .30-06 M2AP. Downsides are that it's Chinese and there is a 10mm mini-cheat-ring around the edges of the plate. You can't beat the Chinese on value but the question is whether you personally can tolerate trusting them on ballistic equipment.
Plates tend to come with a lot of caveats and quirks. It's a lot easier if you state a budget and a desired protection level.

how legit are these?
it's going around based twitter
https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/lightweight-level-4-plates-model-1165/

>>64479188
RMA bad. I dont have the infographic on hand though

>>64479188
all the armor autists say they are POS, no drop foam, generic materials, basically they got the weight down by sacrificing on drop materials

>>64479182
Besides the BFD I thought it did pretty well with it's multi hit with 5.56

>>64479169
Here you go, the 7.62x51mm test report from RMA's site with my markups explaining why I think the plate performed poorly. It just barely passes the 44mm BFD requirement on 7.62x51mm M80, which is the basic RF1 test threat. Backer is too thin. Mind you the plate is nearly 6lb and the "variance" permits the XRTs you receive to be as light as 5.7lb. Pretty sure it'll go over 44mm then, which is a fail. Maybe that's why they recommend trauma pads with every plate they sell.
>>64479182
The XRT per the attached test report was tested in a wet / dropped conditioning state. It's the 1165 that has no drop foam. The XRT's problems are that it suffers from new age nominal sizing chicanery on the shooter cut (as does the new RMA 1155 and 1165) and the backer is thin, so the chances of BABT are higher. Those video results weren't that impressive either, yeah.
>>64479188
These were discussed pretty thoroughly in past threads. Their 10x12 is way undersized and the plate's lack of drop protection is so pronounced they specifically instructed Buffman to not subject it to ANY drop test. No drop foam except on the edges. If you dive on it you may very well compromise it. Hope it was packed well and the mailman didn't football it. Total repeat of the Highcom 4SAS4 situation.

>>64479209
why do these niggers keep trying to save weight by removing basic shit like drop protection? why can't they just stfu and put out a good product? oh wait that would require actually being trustworthy and good moral standards (something the gun community doesn't have).

>>64479205
6lb for a 5.56 plate is very heavy. If 5.56 up to M855A1 and basic 7.62x39 is the problem then Hesco T212s are lighter and much thinner. Basically the point of the XRT's existence is to try and appeal to the "M855A1+M80A1" sweet spot rating zone that previously was only had by the Highcom 3S9M, which IMO is terribly overrated since it's barely lighter / thinner than a Hesco 4601 and costs more money, and very expensive LTC plates like the 28590 / 28595 / 28570 you had to buy second hand. The XRT is thus a total hail mary play, which is why RMA is currently running a black friday deal on the sucker for $150 a plate, $300 a set. How do you suppose it's that cheap other than there being a catch or a few?
>>64479199
Ceramic is 99.7% pure Bitossi, which is nice Alumina. The lack of drop foam is a huge problem as seen with the 4SAS4 disaster. Tens of thousands of plates are out there and people don't even know if they work. Anons got 4SAS4s last year that didn't tap / torque right out of the box. Drop protection is important. It's mandated by 0101.06 but the new drop test in 0101.07 is a lot easier, which means these shenanigans will only get more common.
>>64479195
Here ya go. There are now technically three "rma sucks" infographics. Here's the classic first, I'll put up the other two if you want them.

>>64479227
yea im not paying for fucking 6lb plates for 5.56, good point, you might as well get the 4601s at that one, was thinking the same. That's why when I saw the video and the weight on the XRTs I was like meh...

>>64479220
I'm of the opinion that RMA isn't doing very well, between the refusal to fix the old 1155 (which plain sucks for an 8.3lb plate, I mean an anon busted one with two .308 bargain basement Tulammo at 100 meters), the hail mary play that is the XRT, and the second hail mary that is the nu-1155 and 1165, they're trying to raise cash quickly. To do that means skipping R&D and using the cheapest materials - and literally cutting corners - to increase profit vs cost.
>why can't they just stfu and put out a good product?
They got lawyers to pay, fool!
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/iowa-body-armor-maker-must-face-ny-shooting-liability-claims

>>64479233
They're relying on people not reading the fine print about their "nominal" shooters cut. This is a trick they pulled from Highcom's book. The new 1165 is basically a cheaper version of Highcom's not-drop-rated 4S16. By the way, Highcom did a stealth edit (again) and the 4S16 is now 0.75" and 7.31lb SAPI M. It used to be 0.7" (same as the new 1165) and 7.1lb SAPI M. Like the 4SAS4 suddenly going from 0101.06 to 0101.04, no press release about this.
>This is the third of the three "RMA sucks" infographics, specifically covering the now-discontinued 1192's Buffman test debacle.

>>64479175
I've already started on the Russian armor infographic, but progress will be slow since I'm pretty busy these days. Plan is to split it up by rating systems first (50744 and 34286-2017), then weakest options ratings-wise at the top, work my way up going down. CAPs will of course make an appearance - even the Aliexpress "commercial" ones are worth consideration, IMO.

>>64478210
Always good to see another Ausfag in here. What state are you in?

>>64479649
Nice kit. I'm in Vic. Haven't gone hunting yet but will at some stage.

New Hesco plate gents. From Prime Armor, the only people who sell the 3814, comes the 3812P. SAPI M is 5.85lb, 0.9" thick. Shooter cut sizing is Highcum-tier at 5.1lb for an 9.5x11.5". $380 a plate.
The M855A1 rated Hesco 3411 is 1.09" thick, 5.7lb SAPI M and 5.5lb for the 10x12. $392 a plate. Overall this 3812P is kinda bland like the 3814.
>https://primearmor.us/product/nij-iii-rf2-model-3812-performance-copy/

>/gq/ = /ag/
Welcome to armor general. Bump.

>>64480531
armor is some of the gear of all time

>>64475015
>>64474992
Well, I am a man of my word, I took a few pics of the Jinwudun kilt with the DMGEAR XLs. This is the rear showing how the DMGEAR XL pouch with an L210 inside it attaches. The large green pouches are IDOGEAR's tall GPs from last thread. They fit 12 gauge turkshit magazines like a glove, three 10 rounders in each (Saiga mags too probably), or can be used as dumps.
I used a Sony Mavica floppy disk camera from 1999, because I can.

>>64480897
And here's the same but upright.

Same but with the DMGEAR XL lifted and showing the tac-scorp velcro-molle adapters.

Can a fren dump or link the drone detection - counterdrone infographics plz?

>>64480994
There's this one, although it's mostly just a capability reference for jammers. If anyone else has others I'll stick them in the Reserve for future reference.

>>64481043
Jammeronies are a bit too spicy for my liking at this point. I could swear I've seen another one related to drone detection specifically.
Everyone knows about the Skydroid S12 and I'm looking at something like that, but actually networked over IP. Something I can install 3-4 outdoor on my land and report back to my HomeAssistant server or some shit.
Only detecting commercial off the shelf like DJI/Autel etc is fine. If FPVs were an issue, IMHO it must be assumed they'd communicate over fiber optics, which in turn would mean I'd have to buy a drone radar, which is whole different ballgame

>>64481088
> it must be assumed they'd communicate over fiber optics, which in turn would mean I'd have to buy a drone radar, which is whole different ballgame
Insane head cannon that you think this would be remotely possible at scale CONUS

>>64481206
son, when you're my age the whole world will be covered in fiber optic cancer wires. When it happens, when the sun never rises, and I can no longer protect the family gas station... take this blade. You too will set aside the gun, and raise the anti-fiber-optic katana.

Damn the audacity of these people.

I thought dot + magnifier didn't work with thermal but he demonstrates that it seems to work well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTbUH-Yw_U

>>64481206
yes, radar is crazy shit, not because of FCC legislation but the sheer cost (>15k) of a single radar, you gay namefag
>at scale
I don't give a fuck about scale, nigger. I care about my fucking backyard.

I got 2k to spend for shits n giggles on this stuff, would be interesting to be able to detect COTS cancer

>>64481264
We need soft armor to hit level III for any of that to be useful in the states. People are packing more than 9mm

>>64481479
I agree. At the very least revisit a "IIIB" soft armor rating good for 50gr 9mm, 5.7 threats, and 7.62x25 tokarev. Will still be useless against rifles. It'll be ten years before PE gets good enough to get that to M855-M80 defeat.

>>64481358
Based homestead defender

>>64481358
>scale
Something tells me scale is required for them to blow up anon in chucklefuck, nowhereville (population 10)
>COTS cancer
homebrew aeroscope from the opensource shit running on a chinese b210 clone pushing MQTT to HA. Add in a simple series of ESP based remoteid scanners pushing MQTT and you will swat 90% of CONUS UAS threats
Last 10% probably going to involve a bit of LLM processing hackrf_sweep and doing change deteciton in the ISM bands.
You can also sniff meshtastic/ELRS bands by hunting for preambles on LORA packets to swat most FPV. 5.8 video scanners also fairly easy to do at scale
>But off the shelf?
Not getting it for 2k

>>64481791
I'm recompleting the matrix and rehabilitating the quantum leap sensors before reconstituting the MQTT aeroscope protocol to java elite verso. 2011 at the source level
Successfully relaunched the java preamble and identified fifteen FBI Lora packets through .jpeg enhancement sweep protocol

>>64479235
Is this some bs Jew tactic of were suing manufacturers? Or did the security guard get hit in the plates and they failed. Couldn't read the whole article. >>64479245
Buffman never follows up and just continually shills for companies. He still hasn't had those 4sas4 water jeted to see if the backer delaminated. I do find it funny that RMA didn't include his video on their product page. I know they didn't because he mentioned the drop test.

>>64481358
>I don't give a fuck about scale, nigger. I care about my fucking backyard
Vulgar, but reasonable.

>>64481882
>Is this some bs Jew tactic of were suing manufacturers? Or did the security guard get hit in the plates and they failed.

The Buffalo shooter bought a pair of RMA 1093s from the RMA rep in the /bag/ discord and RMA is being sued because they were ALLEGEDLY negligently selling armor. Gendron, aka Jimboboii, wore the RMA 1093s to the shooting, security guard allegedly shot him once or twice in the plate, plate did its job perfectly (handgun versus a rifle plate, duh) and the security guard is dead because fbigroomedboii was able to return fire.
>Buffman never follows up and just continually shills for companies
I noticed his test of the Hesco 4403 is four months overdue. Any idea?

>>64481815
Same to be honest

>>64481907
Ah so Jewish tricks.
>4403
He shoots a lot of plates then waits months to release them.

>>64481936
It's a bullshit lawsuit that's either going to result in RMA getting off scot free, which I hope they do for collateral reasons, or result in a chilling effect on civilian armor sales.
>Buffman
He shot the RMA 1165s and released the video both in 10/25. I remember MIRA sent him the 4403s four months ago and he hasn't shot them yet.

>>64481958
They could be the self-healing platez. Give it time.

>>64481962
>self-healing platez
Oh no no no don't do this to me.
I think it's more he's stalling until the new 1155s are shot, but that's just my opinion. The guy is very "commercial" lately and still has to work out testing with Gilliam Technicial Services, unless that fell through.

>>64482068
>made in usa
>for military
>now available to you
Get these now, before they "fix them" and start cost cuts.

>>64474546 (OP)
Working on a handgun loadout

I was curious what you all thought of the silencer holsters. I want to get a flash light with a laser on my handgun. Obviously I’m going to train to not use it as well, but I like to shoot from the hip and having a laser sounds nice so I can keep the barrel roughly head level.

For context: During qualifications I shoot expert. I have better grip then I do trigger pull, so I supplement for my accuracy by shooting faster. I can nail an alpha sized target (maybe its head) at 50 yards with irons.

Also
Is there a noticeable difference between dyneema and Kevlar when wearing exclusively soft body armor?
I’m also debating on if I should get 3a hard plates. Are they more breathable? Context: I’m going into executive protection and if given the option, I am going to dress around my kit. If not it’s okay, but that’s the goal

>>64482152
A holster with a silencer or a separate dedicated carrier for your silencer?

>>64482152
>First half of this post
Mall ninja babble, do not redeem
>dyneema and Kevlar
Kevlar is owned by dupont
Dyneema is a different company
>hard plates
Backface deformation will be better but they will be hotter and more obvious
>>64482068
Genuinely too much light for driving under IR with modern tubes.

>>64482152
>Is there a noticeable difference between dyneema and Kevlar when wearing exclusively soft body armor? I’m also debating on if I should get 3a hard plates.

Kevlar and dyneema flex differently. Dyneema gets you a lighter solution but often has issues with contact shots. Aramids do better with contact hits because PE tends to "melt" when faced with very high temps like a muzzle blast. Hard plates sacrifice coverage versus soft vests, but are often a touch stronger.

>>64482204
>too much light
Id' like to see them in action first

>>64482204
>too much light for driving
They did say variable intensity.

>>64482334
>>64482323
What's the min lumen on those puppies?

>>64481882
I think he just wants the 4sus4 to go away bro

>>64482358
Was not stated in lux of lumen.
>3 wire for variable intensity
Don't make me watch it again.

>>64482424
Lol *or

>>64482424
watch it again, you must

>>64482434
No u.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l435Y12jw4o

>>64482446
no u. Go buy a vehicle mounted thermal like big daddy demoranch told ya to. If u aint paying notes monthly on gear u aint winning

>>64482358
At 2:00 he says they are all fully "dimmable" and 850nM to 940nM

>>64482469
should be 1100nm so digitalchads can blast that shit and analogcels can't see it

>>64482173
It’s a holster designed to be used with a silencer attached to the barrel of your pistol. It looks nice for quick draws.

>>64482246
You’ve given me a lot to think about. I guess I need to ask myself if im worried about getting point blanked. Actually; im gonna type to think. I dominate at close and medium handgun range, and I do very well at long range. But close range is the great equalizer. Which means I should probably consider Aramid; given it won’t really matter at a distance but at point blank it does matter. Alternatively; do you believe it will be a difference? Do you know which is more breathable?

>>64482608
>Which means I should probably consider Aramid; given it won’t really matter at a distance but at point blank it does matter. Alternatively; do you believe it will be a difference?
The old DocGKR advice is to buy FBI-compliant soft armor. They have their own protocol that is more difficult than NIJ. It's been a minute since the FBI protocol has been relevant. Some PE soft armor can handle contact shots, but this is outside the realm of NIJ, certified or otherwise. For it to matter the guy basically has to have the gun on your armor.
At minimum get certified soft unless you're buying gucci like Hardwire-68. Stealth Armor Systems has some neat soft armor that they test to a 5:15 Express Test. Fifteen shots, 5" circle. Meant to simulate getting magdumped or hammered with a switched Glock.
>Do you know which is more breathable?
Depends but PE usually is more "breathable" - you can enhance comfort further by going down to Level II / HG1 from IIIA HG2, if you think threats are low enough to swing that. I would not go below II.

>>64480897
Floppy disk camera for picks of your floppy dick shield, nice.
Can't make out anything about the skirt, though. Do a selfie.

>>64481235
keks aside, I've seen dudes pack machetes and yuge garden shears specifically to cut drone fiber. Or cut through it, after awhile it turns the landscape into one of those "cursed spider forest" type RPG biomes.

>>64481264
Bulletproof arms, wtf.
Triada-TKO dropped the arm bracers entirely in transition from peacetime "Gruppa-99" kit to KBS Strelok. Even at C2 they are way too heavy to be useful, even worse than trying to wear armor below knee.

>>64481338
Baltoids still shilling "their" NV\thermal gear.
Why wouldn't a thermal in front of the red dot work, though? Magnification might be useless when you're zooming into the same 800*600px, but still - why not?

>>64483007
>Baltoids still shilling "their" NV\thermal gear.
I fucking WISH I paid attention to their thermal gear. I could have gotten 500 dollars off the RH25v2 from them if I was paying attention to them.
>Why wouldn't a thermal in front of the red dot work, though?
I was thinking the magnifier was too far back for it to work.

>>64482371
I know he does, I asked him a 2 part question on YouTube and he ignored the water jet part.

anyone else link the stars?
i consider this gear because i use one almost every day in the military

Does anyone know what this buckle is called?
Does it have an NSN or anything similar?
same questions for the v-ring

>>64483007
>do a selfie
use your imagination
>Arm armor
This is exceptionally large forearm armor. I think the idea is that if you're standing angled the armor will protect more than just your arms and will intercept stuff that would otherwise hit torso. Need to see it worn on a larger person because that guy might be tiny. Reviews are positive and it's basically called a mini shield. GBES' stuff does tend to run very high in the coverage department, sometimes more than Jinwudun.
>even worse than trying to wear armor below knee.
Never seen that aside from SWAT shieldmen. Usually no higher than IIIA.
>Baltoids still shilling "their" NV\thermal gear.
Maybe they should get a Oneleaf 640x512 for $1.4k and call it a day.

>>64483128
Good way to give your location away

>>64483449
not really. maybe if your adversary has overhead assets in your area but this goes into any intelligence architecture planning. it certainly has much less of a signature than traditional (geo) satellite communications, let alone the signature of all the generators and other equipment in a toc.
are you implying any fighting force these days is going to war totally in the dark? or are you just a neverserved?

>>64483487
government is no friend of mine at the moment and the gov has full access to starlink

>>64483496
I don't think the government has direct access to starlink telemetry information

>>64483216
I don't know the exact names, but they're both parachute harness components. You can often find them at old time surplus stores that sell actual surplus. Probably ebay too.

200 IQ comms are one time pads and a numbers station that plays completely inconspicuous messages on CB which can only be decoded using the OTP. OTPs handed out to trusted operatives in advance disguised as a recipe for sesame chicken and some doodles in the margins.

>>64483516
Do you really think that?

>>64483534
yeah. you've clearly never worked for or with the government if you think "they" (who?) just zip zap zoop have access to whatever they want.

>>64483546
You clearly don't know about the 2010 snowden leaks that proved that or of services like Palantir because the actually do that in an even more advanced way. Pretty unreal ignorance like this is still occurring.

>>64483564
so do you have a single piece of evidence that points to government ever monitoring starlink telemetry in any way?
let me guess, the government can crack any encryption algorithm too right?

>>64483572
Its really not worth talking to people like yourself. I guess you don't know who owns starlink its use in current wars around the world with US partners or really much of anything. Remember to exhale after you inhale, best of luck!

>>64483578
no, it's not worth talking to retards like you chiming in on shit they have zero involvement or firsthand knowledge in lol I do all this shit for a living and you're a nobody cowering in fear of muh spoopy all knowing guvment

>>64483572
Are all or any Starlink subscribers using encription for up/dwn links?

>>64483528
If you have time to listen to Russian numbers stations, you have too much time.

>>64482760
Thanks anon

I’ll have to check into stealth armor systems. My fear is actually getting mag dumped by a glock at point blank

I didn’t know FBI compliant soft armor is a thing, but I’ll definitely pick it up if I can afford it

>>64482760
With the SAS armor, is it worthwhile to get dragon skin plates? I’m looking at the 3++ plate and my question is; does it ship as a pair? Also
Is it edge to edge 3++

>>64484437
Starlink claims data is encrypted in flight, but users don't have any control over the line protocol so the only way to "use encription for up/dwn links" is to do the normal things like use TLS and non-ISP DNS resolvers, and use a VPN if you're concerned about ISP eavesdropping. Of course that assumes you can trust the VPN, and I assume most of the commercial ones are NSA honeypots.

Why do these clowns use their nods in the day time constantly.

>>64484887
Replying to myself. Also does the face covering work with the ear pro? Or do you think he doubles up on ear pro?

>>64484887
Idk if you know this but its actually dark inside buildings during daytime.
>>64484900
You just deal with it.
>>64482323
>>64482334
If youre driving so high speed under nods that you need massive output, you'd probably be better off with hood mounted thermals for VC to spot large obstacles while driver is running small IR lights for picking more comfortable lines.
If the terrain is so technical you cant go fast, you shouldnt be belching that much IR light since you are going to be much easier to run down.
>>64482469
>850
Ya blew it.

>>64484930
> but its actually dark inside buildings during daytime
Sure, if you're miles underground. Do these guys look like they're miles underground or in the street in the sun next to a car?

Normally, he can eat dick. I just think $70/cheap hoodie is too much. But this is an interesting pattern. Also, pockets TOO SMALL.

>>64484950
The power always goes out
That means stairwells
Stairwells are dark

Car parks
Interior rooms
Secured meeting rooms
etc

Dont be obtuse
>>64484954
That looks fuck ugly

>>64484955
>Dont be obtuse
Speak for yourself. You're pretending like you've never been anywhere before and you think you need night vision in the middle of the day time in a car park. Even if all power were to drop you would need to have your daylight cap on to use them. Pointless.

>>64484954
Baby Poop Black tm

>>64478105
You do not need a special belt to carry a hellcat sized gun. When I carry my micro 9 4:00 or AIWB I use a regular cloth belt.

>>64485021
stiffer belts can get you a smoother draw if you are using a good retention holster
but yeah, it's not necessary

>>64485078
>stiffer belt
Or maybe he can get a leg brace or whatever they're called. Clips around your leg to add a second point of stability.

>>64485090
you could, but wearing a stiff belt makes more sense than tying your cloth belt to your thigh

>>64485104
it's just for the holster, not the belt.

>>64484959
I am not a high speed ultra cool operator but I can tell you that at least from an infantryman's perspective, keeping your nods mounted on your helmet means it takes up one less pouch on your kit and you don't have to dig through a bag or something to get at them if you end up going into somewhere that's super dark like a basement. Also makes life easier for the team/squad leaders who need to do PCC/PCI's or SI checks at various intervals.
>but they could break!
They don't give a fuck because it's not like they paid for the tubes with their own money. If they break they just swap them out in the arms room for another set.
>unnecessary weight on their head
Get a stronger neck nigga wtf


I get that it's cool to be contrarian as fuck when it comes to all things operator right now but sometimes the shit they do makes sense if you think about it for longer than 5 seconds

>>64485109
you're still tying your belt down to your thigh, you just have a holster in between

>>64485111
>Get a stronger neck nigga wtf
Dog, only retarded mouth breathers say shit like that. The spine doesn't care how many neck ups Mike Tyson does, it will still be injured from having all that dipshit weight on your head when you don't need it. People are starting to realize this now and recommending bump helmets when ballistic is not needed.
>makes sense if you think about it for longer than 5 seconds
LMao. I suggest you do the same. People smarter than you are already reacting to the injuries people are getting because they think
>HUR DUR QUD TOOBS IN DAY TIME KOOL

>>64485131
>ballistic is not needed.
sneed

>>64484833
SAS' armor is sold individually last I checked. Dragonskin is compiled out of small circular tiles so it isn't entirely "edge to edge" like a typical plate shape.
Dragonskin is mixed bag because it's uncertified and the guy selling it, Bain, is the same guy who invented it in '97. He sold it to his former business partner, Neal, in 2000 and it was under Neal's watch that Dragonskin failed the hell out of the 2006 Army trials. Did Bain know back in '97 that the stuff had issues? The new Dragonskin is allegedly fixed but its total lack of NIJ certification isn't inspiring confidence.

>>64485078
I don't have any issues. The holster does move with the gun for a couple of inches tops but it still comes out cleanly and it is not going to come off the belt because I use ulticlips. I'd much rather have that movement than a stiffer, thicker belt.

>>64482152
unless you are running the griffin qd equivalent for your suppressor it's going to constantly back off, so I wouldn't recommend any serious use anyway, but assuming your mounting solution is solid then Surefire makes an older holster for suppressors and I know TREX arms did as well you could use a safariland adapter, im not sure if safariland makes suppressor holsters or not but they are out there you gotta search some. But then you would probably burn your fucking leg somehow if it touched your leg/thigh/fabrics doing transitions maybe.

also the neilson device/piston you are using and how fast the gun cycles back determines how fast you can follow up shots as well, so keep that in mind if you want the fastest times/shots then non suppressed wins every time, when you add a booster/piston you are adding extra steps.

>>64485585
Wasnt the mk23 and m9 hush puppy used seriously with suppressors in the field? Its not unprecedented.

>>64485946
m9 isnt a browning based system so no booster needed, but the actual threads for the suppressor will always walk off unless you get creative or use some QD system like Griffin's. It's one of the lesser talked about downsides to suppressors, plus you'll burn yourself easily with high schedules of fire. Like if you're doing an mk23 raid and you're a gravy seal dropping a few dudes with an "offensive pistol" (dumb idea anyway) you're not shooting multiple mags anyway.

Non flow-through suppressors in general have such downsides that make it just not worth it for the average person, but the 556k really turned the tide and now with better 3d printing you have a million startups making better cans than the big players like Surefire now, like the PTR Vent, the DRC company, CAT, they've blown the top off the old school suppressor designs. The suppressor industry is getting better (for the better).

>>64484930
>>64484955
Shut the fuck up troon. Do you need me to link the video of two former Delta guys from Hades Consulting explicitly discussing the topic of wearing NODs on during the daytime where both of them immediately called it retarded?
>it's completely pitch black inside this building I have to go in
turn on the lights
>the power is out
turn the power back on at the switchboard
>the power can't be turned back on
ok take literally 5 seconds and remove your NODs from your pouch and put them on
>hurr durr le heckin hostage rescue
you'd sprint in with white light only if there were actually terrorists literally lining people up and shooting them inside this dark building
>>64485111
The guys in that picture are from the CRIF of some ODA. Nobody knows who CRIF are or cares, every time one of them goes on a podcast all they do is seethe about how they're 'basically Delta' despite CRIF having never conducted a hostage rescue anywhere ever. They're literally a bunch of poser faggots wearing all of their gear trying to look cool. Also, I guarantee they don't just get given new PVS31s if they break or lose them, just like you won't be given free NODs if you lose yours. Wearing your NODs during the day is a great way to lose them in the field and have thousands of soldiers walking through the field training area hand in a big line looking for them weeks after endex.

Wearing your NODs on your head is about as stupid as keeping the crypto key loader for your radio attached to the outside of your helmet by velcro

>>64486055
I'm curious. Can you link the video?

>>64486055
>This assmad
Yeah CRIF going to drop their 31s while low crawling on a PSD.
>Just go to the switchboard
Yeah so you're a fucking idiot like the first guy. You didnt need to type all of this to let us know that.

>>64484955
Are you in the Black Forest? Opinion rejected.

>>64486093
kek post a webm of the last real life hostage rescue you did you fucking nigger

>>64486055
>Turn on the lights
>Bro just wander around in the dark until you find the breaker box
Nods in daytime are dumb AF most of the time but that's just absolutely delusional

>>64486114
>>64486114
scheisssssss
>>64486118
Post the last time you touched a mains panel in a commercial building
>>64486119
Its the little things that let you know they dont have it going on

>>64486057
https://youtu.be/YGj7J92MXg4?si=-ghW7sxT2-mDj3ES&t=107
>>64486119
You're a fucking retard. When the power goes out in your house do you put on NODs or do you go out to the switchboard? If bank robbers turn the power off robbing the bank the cops turn the power back on they don't all put on night vision you dumbass

>>64486134
>it's a vulgar word and is generally considered rude in polite company
I expect better from you.

>>64486134
post the last time you touched a woman you tranny fucking fat dyel faggot

in fact, show me the last major hostage rescue operation where they cut power to the whole building and operators bumrushed in wearing NODs

I see you people arguing and it is fruitless. Has anyone tried a pickled sausage? I might grab one at the Sunoco.

>>64486158
A2 takes pickles sausage up his ass on the daily

>>64486150
Was that the theater thing when the hostages died?

>>64486158
>pickled sausage? I might grab one at the Sunoco.
Pickled meats have the lowest nutritional value of all. Get the jerky.

>>64486169
Okay jalapeno or teriyaki?

>>64486174
I just got the teriyaki about an hour ago.

>>64486194
based
>>64486164
He's got sugar in his wine.

>>64486150
Sorry I cant find any hostage rescue operations im too busy looking for the electrical room in a building ive never been in before.

I bought a bag of ghost pepper jerkey and ate it last week I've been shittin blood can i apply tq to my ass?

>>64486237
Call your intel guy and have him pull blueprints before you go in this aint 1982 fool

>>64486237
>He doesn't have his sexually ambiguous cyber hacker, who is also a minority, who grew up poor, so spent all they/them's time a computer, on comms to instantly pull up the architectural plans of every building
NGMI

>>64486138
>Posts picture of guys all kitted up on a weapons board wearing
>BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT IN YOUR HOUSE
Seek help. Those are completely different situations as I am not concerned with being shot while fumbling around for a "switchboard"(esl?) in my own home during a black out. Comparatively, sending your swat, seal, or meal team into a hostile environment with instructions to bumble around looking for the breaker box would be mind bogglingly retarded for the obvious reason. Even in your attempt at a simplified and more realistic example the cops would NOT do that. They'd clear the structure using WMLs first and not even bother with restoring power until after the scene was processed. You are either legitimately retarded or mentally ill.

>>64486237
>looking for the electrical room in a building ive never been in
Just take your chopper/drone and lay some chains across the mains on the plains. Or didn't you think about that? Shit goes back to the 'Nam, bro.

>>64486255
>anon doesn't even have a switchboard in his house
How can you even call yourself a fucking operator?!

>>64486251
>sexually ambiguous cyber hacker
Trinity pulling up the plans for the wet wall is hardly ambiguous.

>>64486315
That was 1999. That role would go to a dude in stripped socks and a chastity cage in 2025.

>>64486310
She can answer my calls, if you know what I mean.

>>64486319
>That was 1999
>before the world was gay
How we have fallen.

>>64486328
Classic.

>>64486330
I agree.

>>64484930
>Ya blew it.
is it not bright enough? explain it to me like I'm a brainlet

>>64486237
is this normal on a raid xe or is my shit fucked?

>>64486394
Normal
>>64486389
850nm way too bright and will washout contrast while driving fast
>>64486297
Graphite

>>64486402
He did say that they're all "fully dimmable" but so far they haven't shown any of it in action

>>64486255
If there was a small fire in your office would you use the fire extinguisher 10 feet away to put it out or would you sprint out of the building all the way home, drive your personal fire truck back to work, connect a hose to a fire hydrant and then run back into work holding the hose to blast the smoking toaster? No, you wouldn't. That's how retarded you sound arguing for all 300 officers responding to an active shooter in a dark building to all put on night vision. If the power went out literally the first thing they would do is work on turning it back on, especially if it was some kind of dangerous situation involving firearms. You're the fucking retard imagining solid snake cutting the power and camping behind a barrel in the room with the switchboard shooting the 'guards' one by one.

>>64486475
Wouldnt I use the fire extinguisher attached to me?

>>64486402
>Graphite
Hold my pencil.

>>64474546 (OP)
Are the USMC tarp/ponchos one piece of fabric or two sewn down the middle?

>>64486337
Matrix on laserdisc is peak kino
>>64485292
Procure ACH gen II

>>64479794
So I looked at this again and it's 0.19" thinner, 0.15lb heavier than the 3411. Both stop M855A1 and M80. I'm not liking how much thinner it is. Possible it's down on drop foam, since .07 is easier, or the backer is thinned to RF2 3-hit spec versus the 3411's six hit M80 req.

I got one of the cheap ACHs from Chase Tactical with the plan of having it cut into a highcut by KustomACH. I am a complete and utter helmet-let so I have a laundry list of questions I'd appreciate help with.
>do I want a one hole or a three hole mount?
>who makes the best NVG shroud for said hole amount?
>do I want to have the bungee cords for NODs, pay $100 more for a lanyard on the shroud, or both?
>which side rail style? Is mlok or whatever better than traditional? KustomACH says the skeletonized ACH rails are the best, anything wrong with those?
>is it worth upgrading the suspension and/or pad systems from the default? (I will be using NODs soon)
Feel free to make any other general recommendations because I'm basically starting from scratch and haven't purchased anything but the helmet yet.

>>64487457
>Feel free to make any other general recommendations
Cancel your order. ACH conversions are a dumb poorfag cope, just save your McDonald's wages until you can buy an Opscore FAST which comes with ARC rails, bungees, and a NVG shroud. You literally don't even own NODs so you have zero reason to be buying some cope helmet made by a scammer who charges $500 to cut up surplus helmets with band saw.

>>64487492
>save your McDonald's wages until you can buy an Opscore FAST which comes with ARC rails, bungees, and a NVG shroud
FAST vs something that looks identical, has identical ballistic protection, can be customized from scratch, and is 1/4 the price. You are one particularly stupid nigger.

>>64487615
>looks identical
Go buy a fake airsoft helmet for $30 from aliexpress then you faggot larper. I got my helmet from CIF when I enlisted.
>1/4 the price
lmao bro is $2000 a lot of money for you?

>>64487751
word, nigguh. white bois always trying to get away with fake drip. fact is, you come up here wearing jordans, they better be real and dont wanna hear none this shit about it all being made in the same factory. sheeit.

>>64485585
Much appreciated anon

I don’t plan on using a suppressor for the setup. It’s really because I want to be able to draw fast and this appears as though there is less shit to get hung up on (by that I mean dropping the hood on my safariland was a nightmare. I was good at it, but if I shit myself well…. I don’t want to play that game. And by that I mean I’m too lazy to learn any other system

>>64485393
Much appreciated! I’ll have to give it some thought cause I like the idea of the scale armor; but this shit sounds sketchy.

>>64487751
Different anon but
>Throws away thousands of dollars
>Enlisted
You used your enlistment bonus for a down payment on a charger, didn’t you?

>>64487457
I’ll respond in a second fren. I was going to ignore your post, but the jerkoff fobbit (assuming he was infantry and not air traffic control or some equally retarded MOS) reminded me of my distain for military personnel and that stupid high horse they ride in on.

For what it’s worth, I’ve watched military personnel (army specifically) shit their pants and break down under stress. It was insane to watch them forsake every moral they ever pretended to have the second they knew they could get away with it. They also broke down way more then they should them during DT and shooting cause they had more ego then skill.

I digress, I’ll get you some stuff together. My shit is a little dated so if I’m a little behind. My apologize in advance

>>64487457
Here fren, email this copy and ask them if this will work on ur helmet

https://www.ade.pt/product/circlet/

You don’t want someone drilling thru ur helmet cause the screws aren’t bullet proof
>Shrouds, lanyards, and bungee cords
Not my cup of tea, I’d have to research it. But I probably won’t get back soon (or ever), but the best advice I can give you is always act as tho money doesn’t matter (in context). I mean that in the sense my wife and I would spend way more money to get the good stuff then we should have when buying food for the homeless. But we also were homeless together at one point so we have a soft spot and remember how much it sucked to have to eat the absolute worse quality food; and the occasional break from the suck was heaven on earth. My point being don’t focus on money, focus on goals. You’ll always make more money if it’s within reason.
>Upgrading the pad system from the default

Depends on if you like ur pads. If you don’t, you can try out team Wendy stuff. Here ya go, fren
https://www.teamwendy.com/products/cloudline-liner-system/

>Best shroud
I sadly don’t have an answer senpai. I’ll have to look into it. But there are probably good surplus ones on the market. IMO; go for milsurp on that type of stuff. Save the money; it’s heavier but it’s quality and it’s cheaper

>Getting it turned into a hi-cut

My question is ultimately why. I don’t understand why you’d want to exchange ballistic protection for a little bit of weight reduction; unless you’re going rucking obviously.

But if ur not worried about bullets you have bump helmets

I’ll check into the chase tactical ach

But; have a list of priorities. Example; having ur mount is of higher priority then getting the helmet cut imo. Or give versa. But ur doing good fren :D

>>64487838
> I don’t understand why you’d want to exchange ballistic protection for a little bit of weight reduction
Yeah, for this reason Ukraine ACH-style helmets are preferred over bump helmets in Ukraine. It's not even close. The best helmets are the lightweight UHMWPE ACH-types.

>>64487457
So
The combat circlet I sent you (the helmet thing) also has a built in bracket. I’d go with that cause it’s most bang for ur buck. I also don’t want you drilling into your helmet. The big thing tho is fuck around with ur helmet, find out what u like, and change what u don’t. If it works don’t try and fix it.

Shit I forgot. Get ur helmet cut to whichever spec u want and then get the night vision mounted. Ur pads should be the final thing you adjust, as that’s there to make it all work. Ppl also but battery helmets on the backs of their helmet to help balance out the weight

>>64487808
>>64487838
Cutting up an ACH lid is like ricing out a Honda Civic. It's fucking dumb and a poorfag cope version of just buying a surplus Opscore off tacswap or ebay.

>>64487873
And there's really no good reason for it. Just larping. There are sometimes reasons for ricing out Hondas.

>>64487838
>>64487864
No more replying for you in the future, you didn't say a single helpful thing, you don't know that all modern helmets have holes cut in the front from the factory, and you don't even understand why highcuts exist. I am not shocked you have been homeless and are unable to type in complete sentences.

>>64487845
Well
In Ukraine they’re also dealing with a lot of shrapnel. The high cuts are great if the person who is going to be shooting at you is right infront of you.

If it’s shrapnel you need the ACH style one.

If it’s armor penetrating ammo and no shrapnel it’s bump helmet or no helmet cause ur not gonna survive anyway; so why die exhausted.

>>64487873
Anon has his reasons. He might have not known about the surplus market or tacswap (iirc they started doing gay shit but that was like 3 years ago). We’re all poorfags here. If he gets the circlet and get all the minor stuff covered. For arguments sake, he’s only $350 in the hole for Mount, rails, and helmet. Then he can use the money he saves to get better NVG equipment, helmet padding, or whatever tickles his fancy.

>>64487889
Highcuts exist cause people don’t think they’ll get shrapnel or a bullet in the side of their head. Simple as.

>Holes in the front
Not all. Go look at hoplite’s listenings rn. It’s on the side/front side for some models

>>64487900
>Anon has his reasons
There's only one reason and it's because he's some fat wagie who collects shopping carts for a living but dreams that he's going to be some kind of operator shooting people in le boog. He wants to own le special forces helmet but can't afford to buy an opscore so he's trying to half ass it by buying an ACH and getting it cut up by a scam company who capitalize on all the other coping poorfags who want le operator helmet but can't afford one.

>>64487920
Well shit
I remember when I was set to have a bright career and go places, getting scouted by a couple special operations units and all; then politics happened, and I more or less got reduced to collecting shopping carts cause I needed something right then and there until a better opportunity came up. Shit, dude could have a wife and kid/kids for all I know,and he’s at the maximum of his fun budget. Or it could be work related and this employer won’t pay for his gear (this happens a lot with LE)

>>64487880
>sometimes reasons
>there is no replacement for displacement

>>64487900
He can cut down on price by going with the china clamp on rails. $60 on ebay. The circlet is only advertised to work with the Novasteel (2024 or newer).
>If it’s armor penetrating ammo and no shrapnel
HHV sells an M855 rated slaap plate for helmets, but it'll need major standoff to stop M855A1 or anything else higher up the scale.

>>64487955
>getting scouted by a couple special operations units and all
There isn't one single special operations unit in any Army in the entire world which 'scouts' people, especially not an organization of over 1 million people like the US Military. If you'd actually served, which you didn't, you'd know that you can enlist with a contract to try out for RASP or SFAS or submit your own packet at some point in your career. What absolutely never happened is someone from Delta noticed you in basic training like an episode of Undercover Boss and randomly decided to offer you a slot on selection because of your mopping and ironing skills. Fucking lying faggot

>>64488070
>Only works with the nova steel
Hence why I said email and ask. If that one doesn’t work, there’s bound to be someone else who makes a similar product that will fit
>SLAAP uparmor
Please disregard. I forgot those existed
>>64488079
special operations is a broad band term. The fire department has special operations units (HAZMAT unit being one example). Paramilitary stuff does exist anon

>>64488126
These things work with a wide variety of helmets. Various colors too.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174907558648?
>SLAAPs
Fun fact. These can go up to Level IV if you count the unobtanium Tencate overhelmet plates.

>>64488158
That shit is ugly af. I’d rock it ngl

>Up to level IV
Im curious if u get ultimate 3++ if u combine an ech and the SLAAP uparmor

>>64488126
>special operations is a broad band term
Sure, if you're trying to deliberately mislead people. Nobody calls a fire department hazmat team a "special operations unit" without additional context. As for paramilitary, if you're referring to CIA then they mainly recruit from tier 1 special forces. If you're talking about private contractors, then again, not "special operations" as anyone normally understand the term.

>>64488229
>referring to CIA then they mainly recruit from tier 1 special forces
I saw a movie where the CIA recruited from deathrow inmates in a Dirty Dozen kinda way. The Gray Man, he was a very smooth operator, very deadly and like totally anonymous. So yeah, totally plausible, probably based on fact.

>>64488229
Well
The training was created by special operations guys as a copy of their training from when they were in the militaries special forces, and they’ve been doing that for over 40 years. They do some egregious amount of raids a year. They meet everything you’d use to qualify something as a special operations unit

>Nobody calls the fire department hazmat a special operations unit
Yes. But I was saying that to get to a point. That being the military isn’t the only entity that has a special operations unit.

>>64475309
>There have been no new mobilization in Russia since that one big wave in '22.
>lying zigur selling shitty Pussian ger on /gq/
you love to see it

>>64488464
>lying
Cmon, prove it then. Like you know what happens in Moscow better than I do while I live here.

>selling
Pigger you can't get any of this shit out of Russia in any commercial quantity, or any quantity at all unless you're going on a "tourist" trip to Africa or maybe LatAm. What am I selling and to who.

Anons can have some booth babes as a treat while you set your shit straight.

>>64487873
>>64487880
>>64487900
>>64487920
>>64487955
You bunch of ribbitor freaks
>not one person has remotely answered my questions
>people in fucking GEAR QUEER calling people LARPers like that isn't the point
>this clearly all fueled by the fact no one in here actually has a helmet and therefore any knowledge of them
>the absolute kek levels of coping, seething and projecting from the fact I spent $190 shipped on a functional, relatively modern bulletproof helmet I can also use to LARP as a Modern Warfare 2 Russian paratrooper when KommandoStore releases their new gorka

Sincerest apologies my wagies, I didn't mean to upset you by mentioning my impulse purchase. For the guys who mentioned the Tacswap Ops Cores, what's considered fair on there for one? I have an account.

Image is how far we've fallen, retvrn to kvno

>>64488201
>Im curious if u get ultimate 3++ if u combine an ech and the SLAAP uparmor
Probably not, just 7.62x39 MSC from the ECH and M855 from the SLAAP, so at most a significant BFD reduction. For helmets this is critical. The Highcom RCH is seemingly bullshit and just an ECH so that option is out.
Adept had an M855A1-rated helmet called the Bastion years ago, using higher-end ceramic appliques, but this went to the land of vaporware with their 4.7lb N1 multi-hit Level IV.
>>64488491
Sell the third gen Capytech CAPs to random Americans who want to cut BFD down and eat .338 Lapua just like Gecko45 intended.

>>64488704
Anon I answered

I was the one who told you to check out the ciralet to get you the most bang for your buck and told you to wait until you’re fully done your load out before purchasing stuff to make the helmet more comfy

Anon before u get the ops core helmet; why do you want one?

>>64488749
Anon I answered you,

You're a formerly homeless retard who can't type a flawless sentence in English. I don't want your shitty bolt on crap for 3rd worlders, I don't want your opinion because you don't know the first thing about helmets. You need to GB2Reddit. I've spent enough time there myself due to the shill raids of the early 2020s to know that it is filled to the brim with formerly homeless, borderline illiterates and other mongoloids who absolutely cannot wait to type out a post indicating they know absolutely nothing about the subject matter.

I want a helmet because I've got a $2000 plate carrier already and I need something to mount NODs to that isn't a shitty surplus skullcrusher. Seems retarded to buy a bump helmet if I'm going to wear real body armor.

>>64488911
That circlet he's talking about probably won't fit. It's meant for a very thin steel helmet that weighs more than ACH Gen 2 but stops less and only presents an advantage on cost and low BFD.
>formerly homeless, borderline illiterates and other mongoloids who absolutely cannot wait to type out a post indicating they know absolutely nothing about the subject matter.
/r/tacticalgear ain't gonna recover from that burn. Yikes.
>>64487808
Dragonskin is and will always be kinda sketchy. Doesn't help SAS keeps changing specs on a whim. For the IV+, for example, you've got the SiC, B4C, and TiB2-SiC versions but only the B4C version is for sale. III+ you have the normal, ICW, extreme, and a new version coming january.
"Armor Boomers" running small shops like SAS and GTS change models faster than they can get test reports.

>>64487457
Helmet conversions done wrong will compromise the effectiveness of the helmet.

>>64489228
It's a professional service with good reviews and pictures of dozens of successful ones. Idk exactly how you compromise the protection cutting around the brim of the helmet, but I won't be around to worry about that if it happens and I have to cash in on the protection, eh?

>>64489275
If you cut into the fibers you risk getting moisture inside and need to reseal it. If not sealed properly then moisture can creep in over time and gradually damage the helmet's ballistic effectiveness.
That's not how high cuts are originally made either.
I'm with the other guys, just get a high cut that was made as a high cut rather than relying on captain bandsaw.

Okay, new shit from Gilliam Technical Services. The Model 9969 is no longer rated for M993 or any other tungsten threats. It is now 6.19lb and 1.25" thick, or can be ordered with the drop foam and trauma padding removed to get it to 5.85lb and 0.85" thick. Despite using a novel SiC-TiB2 strike face from Adept, it is $350 a plate. Level IV test report on their page.

Next is the 8002. 8.4lb, 1.2" thick. $400 and (with test report) beats M993 and 7.62x51mm Swiss P AP. Poorfag XSAPI, everybody. This is a single curve mosaic ceramic.

Test reports here:
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/pages/latest-nij-testing-reports

>>64489296
At least go look at the website before posting. Rubber or carbon fiber liner for the edge comes standard for this.

I'm not adverse to getting a highcut, it's just that ACH+rails&shroud+Capt.BSaw is like $500 total which is like 50% of a high cut and it wasn't dropped twice a day by Pvt. Snuffles before being sold on Tacswap.

>>64489319
Yes, and he still hacks the helmet before putting the liner on. It's still compromised.

>>64489319
Just buy a highcut instead of a frankenstein helmet
Unity shroud doesnt matter much generic shrouds are fine do you even have nods?
I use a pgd so rails have bungees already but doesnt matter much at the end of the day if you dont have nods anyway

>>64489336
I'm sure the micro particles of moisture that seep in during the cutting will be fine. God forbid 1mm of the brim is slightly below spec.

>>64489366
Thank you for a real answer. I'd have NODs by now but with the death of Reddit NVG sales and gun accessories, idk where to find $1300 barely used gen 3 PVS7s anymore. If anyone knows where those ended up, please tell me.

>Inb4 muh pvs7 haha
I want it cuz of Big Boss, fuck you

>>64487864
When I was a spooky bit, we had PVS-21’s with the mesh “catcher’s mask”.

>>64489396
Lol, assuming he cuts the helmet in a sterile lab and not his garage. You don't know if the helmet still works unless you shoot it. Why spend $500 to risk it on lifesaving equipment?
Like >>64489366 said, just buy a high cut to get a high cut.

>>64488911
>I've got a $2000 plate carrier already
What's the setup?

>>64489319
>second hand opscore fast = bad because it has potentially been dropped
>paying someone $500 to cut up a 20 year old ACH helmet up with a hacksaw in their garage = good
>but guys look at their flashy website designed to lure in poorfags look how legit they are
>I also unironically bought a dragon skin plate carrier for $2000
>and I came here after my heckin reddit page went down
>and I unironically intend to use PVS7s in 2025 and my NVG budget is $1300
This is either multi-day elaborate bait or your're one of the dumbest people to ever post here.

>>64490065
>I also unironically bought a dragon skin plate carrier for $2000
2005 is so back baby!

>>64488491
/gq/ field trip to Africa to go find some nine pound plates that stop tungsten 7.62x54 nobody has ever heard of when?

>>64490065
I think he dipped bro

Why haven't militaries invested more in dace armor? Yeah getting shot will hurt like a bitch and break something but its better than dying right

>>64490663
Face* armor

>>64490667
uncomfortable, restricts vision and makes it harder to aim a rifle.

>>64490663
They have its just not practical ebnough yet. You will see a return to full armor suits in your lifetime.

>>64490663
What >>64490685 said. There are three major types. Mandibles, masks, and visors. They all cap out at IIIA generally, with some emerging and usually very heavy models picking up very limited rifle protection. What use is a IIIA visor if you're in rifle country and the dominant threat is hunting rifles?
Adept is working on a Gen-2 mandible that might be stronger than their current steel mandible. My bet is they'll launch it as a lineup refresh along with that sub-6lb M993 stopper plate called the Archon and an improved Colossus. If they make it ceramic it could be a nice M855 stopping mandible.
Only semi-related to your post since it doesn't apply to face armor, but a lot of companies have body armor products standing by for 0101.07, the new NIJ standard, so it's going to be like Christmas whenever that happens. Expect a lot of new shit. There's gonna be a lot of shit because the drop test is super easy versus .06.

Alright, time for a poorfag showdown. It seems settled that the 4403 is the best budget IV and the 3411 the best budget III+. Let's get poorer. What's the best plate below $340 a set? We've got the Gilliam 1023 versus the LAPG edge-to-edge for Level IV and the Gilliam 6911 versus the Militech Alumina RF2 for III+. Anyone else got contenders?
Now that Gilliam actually has some test reports under their belt, are they worth a shit? Is the on the fly spec-changing too much?

>>64490667
I want face armor, I'm to pretty to take one to the face.

>>64491068
Mandible, mask (no), or visor gang?

>>64491080
>can't see shit
>can't use a gas mask
Two points for visor gang.

>>64491090
You can use a gas mask with a IIIA visor? You can see perfectly well with that.

>>64491096
Yeah, most IIIA visors that clamp onto the helmet or attach via rails have enough standoff space to permit a gas mask under the helmet. Disadvantage is you cannot use NV and a visor simultaneously. You can with a mandible or mask but your peripheral vision is gonna be shot in the ass.
>You can see perfectly well with that.
Try looking down or side to side without tilting or turning your head.

>>64491105
You can see just fine bro

>>64491129
You're right. I have special eyes!

>>64491133
AHHH I cant see!

>>64491133
Look, look with your special eyes.

>>64491129
>it's all been done before

>>64491080
he cannot ADS? why no laser?

>>64491137
>>64491144
MY BRAND
>I'm gonna fucking buy a $149 Jinwudun IIIA visor so I can stop a 12 gauge slug to the forehead. head on. apply directly to the forehead.

>>64491157
He's not based enough to clear a room with a 200mW laser dazzler and brown lens laser protective goggles

>>64490663
>dace armor

I hit my nuts and they hurt

>>64490065
>>second hand opscore fast = bad because it has potentially been dropped
Largely a meme but please feel free to be the first person to give an explanation that isn't ambient moisture ruining hyperdense kevlar.
>>paying someone $500 to cut up a 20 year old ACH helmet up with a hacksaw in their garage = good
It's $120, mongoloid
>>but guys look at their flashy website designed to lure in poorfags look how legit they are
Yes master I must pay $2000 for the Ops Core, surely this isn't Talmudic grade highway robbery.
>>I also unironically bought a dragon skin plate carrier for $2000
That's the price of the carrier and plates, I don't have dragon skin
>>and I came here after my heckin reddit page went down
Sorry you didn't get a brand new ACOG for $850 shipped and a brand new EOTech 552 for $425 shipped. For the record I went through about 12 accounts in a year and a half of GAFS because I liked to openly insult swingers and leftists who attempted to buy from me which happens to a fucking disgusting degree on there.
>>and I unironically intend to use PVS7s in 2025 and my NVG budget is $1300
PVS7s are like $300 cheaper than a PVS14, but I get NV on both eyes and I think it looks cooler. Also used it with my various lower 1/3 mounts and has no problems despite the cyclops eye. And it looks dope. Cope seethe and dilate, niggerfaggot, but first post your gear.

>>64490128
Plz don't, you won't find any plates, only niggers that want to eat you.

>>64490663
>face armor
The limiting factor is the neck. Check out some of the F1 drivers' neck training videos on YT, and then take into account the fact that their G-loads come on somewhat gradually.
After a certain threshold, even a fully absorbed impact to the head is lethal, and that threshold is somewhat low compared to what a plated-up torso can take. And the helmet needed to fully absorb that impact is in itself heavy enough to cause compression trauma to the neck by just wearing it.

You can, of course, engineer a support structure that will hold the head within some "safe" boundaries and support the weight of the armor, but that's additional complexity, mobility and other costs that are deemed not worth it in absolute majority of the cases.

>>64491080
>>64491096
swag. Also, needs engineering effort to make a low-profile gas mask with filters moved to the back.

There's also picrel, which has been a larp/airsoft/videogame favorite for around 10 years. Not a great design IMO.

I want a wall hack, cat ear, full face helm in multicam.

>>64491596
>crying poorfag faggot with no gear demands other people post gear
lmao
>$2000 is highway robbery
I tip the valet $2000 to park my car when I fuck your mom in the penthouse you pathetic faggot

man i love scrim

>>64491944
>I tip the valet $2000 to park my car when I fuck your mom in the penthouse you pathetic faggot
Post pics.

>>64491596
>ambient moisture ruining hyperdense kevlar.
Apparently you've never heard of armor conditioning. If it gets wet, won't work as well.
You don't have to pay 2k for an ops-core. There are other manufacturers who make cheaper high cuts.

>>64491871
>The limiting factor is the neck
Would you rather take one to the face or be so goobered up for life that you are a poster child?

>>64492191
>post pics of you fucking my mom
it's a blue board, subscribe to her onlyfans

>>64491080
the strongest antifa supersoldyah

>>64491906
That's very cool but fuck off with the cat ears palmer. Sick of our ruling class dorks being weird redditors.

>>64491944
Nuh uh

>>64490663
If you would consult The Guide

>>64492208
can you even read ? face armor already exist, they are already in service but their use is limited.
neck is a limiting factor, if you take a powerfull round to the face the armor might stop it but you can break your neck because of the impact and even if you don't get shot you have to take in account the weight of the helmet, after years of use you will be forced to get surgery to fix your cervical spine.
if you want face armor to be inclued with the helmet you need to find a material that is light, can resist rifle round AND found a way to make the neck area able to support the weight and impact, until the neck part is fixed only gunners will get a face shield because getting your face blasted is better than having tetraplegia for the rest of your life

>>64492708
>a material that is light, can resist rifle round (including M855)
The holy grail. By the time we get light and rifle rated face shields we'll have super-PE plates that eat M855 and weigh 2.5lb.
All-PE plates able to defeat M855 already exist but they're the same weight or more than ceramics and cost a LOT more. Not practical, so it's a matter of time until the materials improve.

are the chinkshit aliexpress safariland holsters decent? I want a holster that doesn't have release close to the trigger. Also some way of mounting it on both belt and leg so it doesn't move and point at my leg. I read they don't hold well without light, and I don't use a light, I don't mind rattling just it shouldn't fall out from a little of movement

>>64492419
So you lied. You're just a liar, and have no credibility, got it.

>>64492708
>can you even read ?
Canu? When your neck is broken and you are Christopher Reeves getting fed by hand for the rest of your life, what is your quality of life? Better to die in glory than suffer the Ignominy of Servitude to the kindness of strangers. Have you no dignity?

>>64492798
Dont buy chinkshit to retain your weapon. I have zero experience but I've always heard fake holsters from Asia usually suck because they don't have real guns to tolerance them so, you're probably getting a holster that's actually for an airsoft gun. About every model of Safari land can be had on ebay for sub-$100 as new or used police surplus, buy once cry once, and don't lose your pistol running. And get a light.

>>64492867
welcome to dq it is dignity queers

>>64492798
Lets pretend for a moment that it fits just fine,
Chinks are just injection molding them vs actually wrap forming thick kydex.
This means if you draw gun and lay on that side you will crack the holster. Safariland themselves tried an injection molded holster as cost savings and it just kept snapping constantly (Search: Safariland 7TS crack). SO chinks adapting a design that was never meant to be injection molded? Snap city, population: (you)
>Its okay if my holster bounces around
What the fuck are you smoking?
A used 6354do-6832-rg is all one needs in life and will last forever
>I dont have a light
Get a used x300 for cheap
>But I dont care about my pistol being useful at all, I just want something to hold it
Roger that $19 gunshow OWB kydex holster you drill and put a shockcord retainer through.

>>64492198
>ambient moisture ruining hyperdense kevlar.
>IfIf it gets wet, won't work as well.
That's an aramid-specific problem, PE doesn't have that.

>>64492208
That's a burn victim, anon. He definitely got blown up and burned in a vehicle.

>>64493000
>a burn victim
>DAV/Woundedd Warriors poster child for life
And? Just let me die. Does anyone have the pic of him in full dress and his wife sneering inna wedding gown for the motivatioanal propaganda photo?

>>64493000
>That's an aramid-specific problem, PE doesn't have that.
And what's an ACH made out of?

>>64492784
>All-PE plates able to defeat M855 already exist but they're the same weight or more than ceramics and cost a LOT more.
What are you referring to?

>>64493536
Combat Systems' RF2 plate. No ceramic but stops M855 / M193 / M80.
https://www.combatsystems.eu/level-rf2-stand-alone-sapi-plate/
It's $1,295 a plate, weighs 4.18lb SAPI M and is 28mm thick. You can buy VS-PBZSAs that weigh less, are nearly half as thick, and stop M855A1 / BZ API for less money.
From digging around old forum posts, Stealth was working on a Dyneema HB212 hard plate with similar specs but shitcanned it due to the cost. LTC's rumored 28855 all-PE plate is probably a similar story. Tech just isn't there yet

>>64492798
A good Kydex holster will last you a lifetime id just spend the little bit more on this one.

>>64493708
Do those retards really charge an extra $200 for Multicam nylon wrappings?
Also, no test reports or anything. I'd bet $100 that it doesn't work after the NIJ's high-temperature conditioning protocol.

>>64493989
>Do those retards really charge an extra $200 for Multicam nylon wrappings?
It's so the plates can match your plateframe bro.
>Also, no test reports or anything. I'd bet $100 that it doesn't work after the NIJ's high-temperature conditioning protocol.
I wouldn't bet against you. The problem is that even if these do exactly what's on the label, you're paying more than VS-PBZSA money ($2k/set) for plates that can't stop M855A1, weigh more, and are nearly twice as thick. The only advantages are positive buoyancy (the 3810B gets you neutral for a lot less cash) and in theory enhanced multi-hit since we don't have to worry about ceramic crack propagation.

I'd like to see the LTC 28855's specs. That one was brought up here before and it's seemingly 3.6lb, all-PE, about $1.5k to $2k a plate because the UHMWPE is absolute top shelf. Still far too expensive.

>>64492673
The big takeaway is that face armor destroys your rizz

>>64486402
>Graphite
First time since Kosovo air campaign since I heard about this. Sometimes I wonder if the graphite fiber bombs touted in press back then were ever used again somewhere else.

>>64474637
Neat kit, I just don't think I would want pouches or a 5 inch stiff plastic buckle on my stomach.

>>64494140
think they switched to e-bombs after that

What sort of kit do "low vis" guys actually use? Assuming they're carrying mission specific kit (radio kit, suppressed pdw/pistol type gun, etc) are they just running micro chest rigs or something? What's your 2025 clandestine coolguy rocking?

>>64494264
Armor wise, VelSys ULV GEN-3 with 1.5lb PXULV all-PE plates if they need to eat mild steel core 7.62x39 ultra covert. B4C-faced version available good for M855A1.
If they need less than overt, expect ~3.8lb GEN-6 plates under 0.6" thick good for M80, M855A1, BZ API.

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