It’s two biological men with penises having anal sex, correct? How is are transbian couples not just gay men!

>t. Confused cis lesbian

>>40411617 (OP)
transbians aren't men, they're gay women. hope this helps

>>40411617 (OP)
because they are straight men with a penis fetish

>>40411617 (OP)
There is no difference, "transbians" have sex like gay men

>>40411628
It doesn’t. Trans women are male.
Male on male = gay, no?

>>40411637
>trans women are men

>>40411617 (OP)
we're not all gay men. i'm a straight man who's so straight that i completely hate penis and want to get my own turned into a vagina. i'm not gay, i don't want to have sex with other males.

anyway the answer is they are gynandromorphophilic males - its a paraphilia and dissimilar from homosexuality. they're only attracted to artificially feminized men. but they are practically gay in a sense. they love the male genitals & male personality.

"transbians" and meta attracted troons aren't that different in that they're all dick worshippers. i hate them both. only trannies who want to be cis lesbians are valid.

>>40411648
They’re biologically male. They gender identify as women but in terms of sex, transbian = gay male relationship.

>>40411628
>two biological men having anal sex with their penises is lesbian sex
how did we even get here?

>>40411636
there are transbians who don't prefer transwomen (me)

>>40411659
Encouraging mental illness

>>40411617 (OP)
Neither of those two groups want to be associated with each other much, so to avoid confusion and ire the term transbian was coined to separate them out
You can beat the drum about what they "actually" are but at the end of the day it's about the social grouping

>>40411617 (OP)
Why do you pretend to ask a question when you very obviously have an answer in mind?
Also you out yourself as a xitter tourist with the phrase biological male and the reddit spacing.
In any case do tell. Is having sex with a CAIS woman gay sex?

>>40411617 (OP)
>How are "cislesbians" acceptable? Its two biological incubators trying to escape their duty to society. How is this an acceptable "orientation" and not simply seen as a consequence of giving foids rights?
That's basically how you sound

>>40411657
>They’re biologically male
yes and sexual attraction is based off of gender, unless you're some freak that doesn't care about who your partner is as a person and only care about their genitals.
>>40411659
>two women having sex is lesbian
incomprehensible to this anon I guess.

>>40411678
you could only compare CAIS women to transwomen with SRS. if they have a penis, its obviously attraction to a man.

>>40411684
incel on estrogen moment. transgenderism is MGTOW for men with autogynephilia.

sex with no moids involved is the best sex and transwomen are men.

>>40411688
Then why did you add in the phrase 'biological male' like it matters?
It seems a little contradictory does it not?

>>40411617 (OP)
Well transbians are attracted to cis women and trans women. They'd never date an actual man.

>>40411617 (OP)
>It’s two biological men with penises having anal sex, correct?

no not necessarily

also a tranwoman is not a gay man

why do we have to have incel tourists, go back to >>>/r9k/ ffs

>>40411685
what is "gender"? i'm not attracted to someone with a penis. what "gender" can a male person perform that will make me attracted to him "as a woman"? genitals matter for sexual interaction. i am not attracted to sex acts that involve a penis. i'm getting my own removed bc penises are so unattractive to me.

>>40411688
CAIS are men (phenotypically)

>>40411678
yeah if you actually saw what the average CAIS looks like IRL and didn't just judge from one low rest grainy photo in an old medical textbook
they have overt male features an XX wouldn't have

>>40411698
because i am not OP.

i personally wouldn't date a transwoman with SRS either. i do not want to date someone who was born male. but i'm just pointing out that if any of them can be compared to CAIS, its only post-op.

>>40411691
>incel on estrogen moment. transgenderism is MGTOW for men with autogynephilia.
And there is your preconceived answer you made this thread with.
So why did you make the thread in the first place and why are you here when you already have your answer anon? Is it to just yell at people you dont like instead of spending time doing the things you love? You do realize this is extraordinarly unproductive in just about every capacity and actively is hurting your mental well being right?

>>40411684
same sex attraction. Has nothing to do with whether or not it’s acceptable. But transbian is factually a male on male having gay sex. So transbians are technically gay men.

>>40411716
So then. Is having sex with a woman with CAIS gay sex? It is two 'biological males' as you'd say.

>>40411707
you might be confusing CAIS and 5-ARD but i'm not sure. examples?

anyway these are extremely rare disorders regardless so kind of irrelevant to this discussion desu

>>40411704
>what is "gender"?
the idiot doesn't even know what gender is
>i'm not attracted to someone with a penis.
so what if you're in the future in a relationship with your cisf partner and she goes to get a penis surgery, do you just suddenly loose attraction to her?
>genitals matter for sexual interaction
is your romance that shallow anon, do you genuinely only date people for sex?
>i am not attracted to sex acts that involve a penis
see normally people are attracted to other people and not sex acts.

why do people respond to these threads?
no cis lesbian is frogposting here

>>40411685
>yes and sexual attraction is based off of gender, unless you're some freak
So cis lesbians who aren’t into cock are freaks? Same question for a gay man not being into vaginas

>>40411718
i am not OP.

>>40411728
the situation is not going to arise so it is not that important to me. but the thing is, CAIS women still have female personalities and are reared as girls. "trans women" act like ugly autistic incel moids who fap all day.

>>40411738
>So cis lesbians who aren’t into cock are freaks
cis lesbians who aren't into woman but rather genitals are freaks.

>>40411725
People don't navigate social and behavioral relations based on technicalities THOUGH. You already got an answer to your original question >>40411667, gay men do not want transbians inside their venn diagram and transbians don't wanna be in theirs

>>40411691
>wahh you're a disgusting MAN wahh i cant listen to your MALE opinions i am le strong independent womyn wahh
Avg hole response

>>40411737
Because the people who constantly bash portions of the population like action figures want us to not have open discussion and they want us to hate eachother desu.
I know its probably futile but the best way to stop fascism is conversation, and the thing the elites hate the most is when the lower classes talk amongst themselves.

>>40411736
yes i would divorce a woman if she's mentally ill enough to get an artificial dick installed onto her kek. i don't like penises. not born penises, nor a mentally ill woman's artificially constructed arm sausage. i'm not into women who reject being female.

i don't only date people for sex, and yet it does matter! i don't like dicks!

>>40411732
I am not confusing anything - but if I showed you an example you would just gaslight me and tell me that person is perfectly 100% female and I am insane - what's the point?

>CAIS women still have female personalities
what

>>40411765
man who pretends to be a woman moment.

>>40411749
i'm into women. that excludes your flabby estrogen soaked dick, sir.

>>40411737
I’m very much a cis lesbian, and I’m supporting of everyone who’s LGBT - trans included.

However I’m not seeing why a “transbians” in particular isnt just a gay man.

Transbian couple = two biological males using their penises on each other. Thus they’re gay men.

>>40411737
because I'm bored so I'm posting in the bait thread, idk about other anons

>>40411773
i am under the impression that CAIS have female phenotypes. i would like you to show me an example to the contrary bc i may be misinformed.

>>40411725
>same sex attraction
And how am I supposed to believe that's a real thing? Most of what women say is lies anyway
>>40411737
Trve, but it is a raped pol lez roastie which is apparent

>>40411781
you make frogposts all day
everyone knows

>>40411771
>i don't only date people for sex
>anyways here's why sex and only sex makes up my dating preferences for women
>>40411778
I'm not a trans woman anon.

>>40411747
So why is it when it comes to CAIS its seen as completely irrelevant but when it comes to trans women who are yet another extraordinarily rare subsection of the population then why is it suddenly an issue? Why do you have to center an entire political movement on hating trans women instead of just turning them down and moving on?
As for personality Im getting some really misogynistic vibes from what youre saying so let's push that a little further. What is a female personality?

>>40411749
lesbians are not into cocks. It really doesn’t make them freaks

>>40411795
trannies say the most sexist shit so casually as if everyone agrees with them

>>40411799
>lesbians are not into cocks
yeah they're into woman.
>It really doesn’t make them freaks
being "into" anything besides a whole person does make them freaks yes.

>>40411808
Im not talking about trannies Im talking about what you said.
Whats a female personality?

>>40411794
and i'm not female. i'm a heterosexual male with gender dysphoria. i'm not gay, i don't date other men, regardless of how they identify or present or what hormones they take or what surgeries they get. i am not OP.

>>40411795
"trans women" tend to act like particularly disgusting men kek. like literally incel masturbators. if i could stomach any male, its certainly not them. i'm sorry but women r not men. i probably am never going to actually encounter a CAIS anyway but i encounter trans identified males trying to match me on dating apps constantly just bc i'm a dysphoric male who presents as a "woman" myself.

>>40411830
>and i'm not female. i'm a heterosexual male with gender dysphoria.
okay. This achieves absolutely nothing

>>40411707
Meds now

>>40411814
i'm into whole people, whole people who are female. your genitals are not a disjointed body part, your sex is your entire body. every single thing about "trans women" is male, its not merely their genitals. its their voices, their body shapes, their behaviors, their sexuality. they are men.

>>40411814
Just day youre a homophobe then. Lesbians aren’t into penised individuals

>>40411839
trannies really want to enforce wrongthink offenses

>>40411815
I didn't say female personality, that was definitely a tranny saying that
they believe in sexist crap that they act female but can never say how females act cuz really they just mean "submissive and emotional"

>>40411830
Ok but what is a female personality? You have not defined it. You've told me about a subject of men and what their personalities are like so clearly there is some nuance in your views on what 'male personalities' are, so where is the nuance for 'female personalities'
Let me hear it. Im not here to own you or whatever lord knows I couldnt give less of a shit about that, I just want to hear why you have the opinions you do and what they are.

>>40411841
>i'm into whole people, whole people who are female. your genitals are not a disjointed body part
focusing on their genitals and only their genitals dehumanizes your partner anon, you do know that right?
>every single thing about "trans women" is male, its not merely their genitals. its their voices, their body shapes, their behaviors, their sexuality.
that's a whole lot of saying stuff that I could just as easily say "no" to.

>>40411850
>saying females are submissive is le sexist
>biological reality enjoyer when the reality doesnt agree with xer

>>40411850
yes i am a tranny and i said female personality. barely any men actually seem anything like a woman behaviorally tho, and no i don't mean submissive and emotional. i'm attracted to "masculine" women, too. the thing is, they don't act like men. they are not integrated into the culture of fraternity and they do not have a male sexuality. trying to annihilate male sexuality is why i trooned out. i only like women. i do not believe that i am actually a woman.

>>40411657
wrong, they're not biologically male according to any biologist. hope this helps.

>>40411866
females i've met tend to be quite aggressive the second they sense they have any "mistakes" they believe they can use against you as evidence of their moral superiority to you

>>40411855
i can't explain woman vibes to an arrogant man who has spent his whole life online socializing only with other men sry u wouldn't get it

>>40411866
biological reality means biological sex, its not referring to "gender" behavior.

>>40411872
kek what reputable biologist would ever say something so ridiculous?

>>40411850
Im trans myself. Ive fought with someone who was actively shooting at me, Ive gotten into fights with people who have thought that they could just endlessly shit talk me because of me being trans and not lining up with the exact ideals youre trying to box in.
Do those things sound like someone who sees being female as just 'submissive and emtional'
Now are we going to loop around into 'well that just means you have a male personality' and deny the existence of strong women, or are we going to admit that there is some nuance to be had here and that it is extremely sexist and regressive to pretend otherwise?

>>40411862
actually if you really were a cis woman then you'd know about the dehumanization due to experiencing it firsthand.

Pic related is two trans women who call themselves transbians.

I ask again, how is they different than two gay men?

Regardless of them being trans, they’re still two biological males using each others penises sexually.

>>40411897
>with someone who was actively shooting at me
if only they hadn't missed we would be spared your catastrophic annoyance

>>40411879
Im sure you can. You obviously have some idea in your head of what it is if you said it exists.
Christians have an idea of what god looks like despite having never seen him and having no proof.

>>40411886
>uh biological reality doesnt mean biological reality it only means things i agree with nooo
Females in nearly all species are submissive and basically only for fucking and breeding

>>40411886
all of them but you don't understand biology. it's not just chromosomes and we've known this since the discovery of DSDs, phenotypical sex and genotypical sex both make up how we classify sex, trans women would be genotypically male but have a female or mixed phenotypical sex, making their sex neither male nor female similar to DSDs the difference is it's medically induced

>>40411899
i am not female. i am not OP.

it is not "dehumanizing" to be only attracted to one sex. "gender" is not real, i cannot think of anything that "trans women" share with women. YOU'RE the one calling women holes for defining themselves independently of penis havers.

>>40411872
Trans women are biologically men. Trans is about gender aka how you identify socially which is different. In terms of sex, transbians are two gay males.

>>40411904
Well unfortunately they didnt.
So let's get back on topic. Is there nuance here?

>>40411918
this is just biologically inaccurate though. there's no way you can actually support this claim without disregarding the entire classification of sex

>>40411918
Trans women are socially men as well. They are just insane and say things that contradict reason and empirical evidence because really it's a monkey power game.

>>40411922
*unfortunately they didnt hit me lol
Trust me I wish they would have just as much as you do. Facing up to the true horrors that the concept of 'normalcy' brings and the number of people that normies are willing to throw under the bus to achieve that illusion is not fun.

>>40411913
>i am not female. i am not OP.
okay then I bet you're an incel
>YOU'RE the one calling women holes for defining themselves independently of penis havers.
you're the one who brought that up. And the fact that you specifically used the rhetoric of "holes" blew your cover as an incel and thus your opinion is invalid. Go back to >>>/r9k/

>>40411909
then why do you want to be one, sir?

women give and nurture life, males are literally just sperm sacks who's purpose is to cum and die. you would never understand the meaning of the female world, because you live in the male world of sexual conquest.

>>40411942
if being an incel is bad, then women are only valued for the status access to their holes provides men

>>40411942
someone earlier in the thread called women holes kek

and no i'm not an incel i'm a man who passes as a woman. but i'm straight. i do not want to date other "trans women" because they, like me, are men.

>>40411926
Actually it’s not. Trans women are women but they’re biologically male. They have penises and testes, they can’t give birth or have a menstrual cycle, etc. Thats exactly why two transbians are technically gay men.

>>40411926
what classification of the female sex includes "trans women"? what is the definition of female?

>>40411947
>if incels are only bad then [insert incel opinion here]
okay buddy
>>40411953
>someone earlier in the thread called women holes kek
x2 incel
>and no i'm not an incel
wait so it's two of you, which one is the original

>>40411953
>who passes as a woman

males are superior to females

women have no value beyond their holes

mtfs have obsoleted natal women. total female genocide

Since youre not responding I'll just finish up my point here.
Try to rack your brains for a definition of 'a female personality' in your head that does not bring up words like submissive, demure, quiet, friendly, sexless or any such things, as well as one that doesnt include friviolities like makeup, or fashion or whatever else. Once you find yourself unable to answer this take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself if you really are advocating for the rights of women or if you are just actively moving the definition of woman back to 'weaker than a man and produces babies'

>>40411971
superiority or inferiority isn’t an issue. the claim is that two transbians are simply gay men in terms or sexual attraction.

im advocating to replace you

>>40411976
two moids can't reproduce

>>40411979
are u a tranny?

>>40412015
we will have artificial wombs in like 5 years. it is perfect timing to start culling holes

>>40412015
Yup. Have been since I was 8. Started HRT at 18.

>>40412025
you're a man.

>>40411976
i am mtf. i would never want to live in a world of all males. females are superior, i would sooner kill myself than live in an all-male world. you're just mad you're not female so want to destroy the bodies you can't have.

>>40412038
Its nice that you think that.
What's the point in you telling me it? What drives your need to go and scream this from the rooftops?

i trooned to resemble a woman because i think women are superior. get on my level, scrotes.

i'm gonna get hole surgery btw, incels.

>>40412049
sometimes I imagine buying up all the billboards along highways and just putting "trans women are men" in large, bold red font on all of them and a trans woman driving by them getting madder with each successive sign

>>40411964
none. trans women aren't female but they also fall outside the classification of male post HRT. you are assuming a claim I never made.
>>40411960
bro has never read into sex classification remotely
>>40411911

>>40411943
I dont
Hole thinking its the most important thing in the world as always KEK
women are exclusively holes which are only valuable via holes. Bullshit about "le giving life" is just cope for the fact that shitting out babies is your only purpose. Men built everything memorable about our species, our culture - women did nothing.

>>40412058
Can you name a genocide in history where the good ones were saved?
And no I dont mean adjacent collaborators. I mean direct members of a targeted group.

>>40412061
Ok but why? I didnt ask what I asked why.

>>40412067
i'm a transwoman btw - i don't even have a goddamn hole yet. i just admit that moids built this horrible society of murder and competition, i desire to become a woman because women are better. you're just seething in womb envy and repressed autogynephilia. males are the second sex, them being in charge makes no biological sense.

>>40412080
because I think you are wrong and spreading hate and sexism

its a biological fact that men become tamer and more nurturing when around women. a world of only men would be a vat of violence, evil, and homosexual rape. i cannot stomach the thought of living in an all male world. i don't care if women didn't invent tech that ravages the planet, we're not capitalistic freaks like rapestick havers are. all rapesticks do is rape the whole planet just like they rape women. they want to own, control, and dominate everything. they are cruel, lifeless, dead inside. necrophilic. to love moids is to be a necrophile.

>>40412061
Its just a genuinely bizarre desire. It reminds me of that guy who ruined his own marriage over how much he hated the trannies and I just dont get it so please enlighten me on why trannies are so deserving of hatred.

>>40412103
Ok. Thats a start. Its a vague start but let's go from there.
How am I spreading hate and sexism?

>>40412106
Yknow its funny. I do agree with a lot of your points on the objective personality effects of T, but to take a biologically deterministic point of view is just as much to excuse the behavior as saying boys will be boys. Saying that men are no better than the sum of their instinct is to completely discount the gift of consciousness that has been given to mankind, and the fact that we are able to improve unlike any other animal out there. We are capable of thinking about thinking which is extraordinary of itself.
The world allows these behaviors to run rampant because of the way the current system is set up. There is no such thing as an elite woman. Even among the Uber rich you will find these women still deferring to men, and that is the true problem is that its a man's world, not men themselves if that makes sense.

>>40412141
who creates and runs the man's world? men. it can only be evolved beyond by allotting more social power to women. this means weakening the phenomenon of male bonding and strengthening female solidarity and bonds between women.

>>40411830
>bc i'm a dysphoric male who presents as a "woman" myself.

>>40411637
>>40411657
Trans women are women. Changing hormones has a biological impact, as does surgery. Trans women have a female morphology and thus female phenotype.

>>40412114
because you believe men imitating women is being a woman and that just a man being penisless and submissive is the same as being a woman
and you encourage castration as the solution to all someone's problems

>>40411628
>>40411632
>>40411636
>>40411655
>>40411678
You're replying to a persistent troll who posts in every single thread on this board being negative and pretending to be confused or earnest. They're a human toilet only worth shitting on, not replying to in good faith.

>>40412155
but most trans don't have surgery and don't pass as women kek

>>40412156
different tranny but i don't think trans women are women, but i also am glad to be castrated bc male sexuality is disgusting. i don't think women are submissive in fact i think men should submit, i don't think i can actually be a woman.

>>40411617 (OP)
transbians dont always go for other trans woman nor does ever tran woman process a penis

also trans woman are a lot different than men in most cases

>>40412155
obviously it has an impact, it just doesn’t make you female?? Try and keep up

>>40412148
That I am more than happy to agree with. The current 'male loneliness crisis' and 'masculinity crisis' are exactly that. Its the whiplash of even the most minute chip of the boys club being taken away. Hating on trannies is about as counterproductive as you can get when it comes to trying to take away the power of that boys club.
I will say though I think it is also moronic to think of lower class men as heralds of this boys club. It is elite men that are. To those elite, there is two genders of lower class. Broodmares and warfighters, and thats where the MRA types and a lot of radfems get lost in. They get too caught up in the gender fight and dont realize its the intersection of class and gender that results in what you see today.
The Roman's knew it well that the way you change a society is from the top down. The aristocracy.
Bring down the elite men who create the horrific world we live in today and you bring down every man beneath them who think its ok.

>>40412169
>nor does ever tran woman process a penis
actually they do. If you look into it srs just inverts your penis but it is still a penis

>>40412171
No, you try and keep up, retarded bitch. If it has an impact, then it is changing biological sex. You just admitted I'm correct, stupid bitch trying to troll.

>>40412182
i don't hate trannies abstractly. the problem is most trannies just don't reject male solidarity at all, so i can't align with most of them.

>>40412183
(different tranny here) i don't think surgery makes you female but its not still a penis. inversion isn't even the only method.

>>40412185
>calls women bitches
>claims he changed his sex
kekw

>>40411617 (OP)
The bigger question is when are we finally going to take the L out of GBT?

>>40412199
Yeah, dumb stupid bitch trying to troll. Those aren't mutually exclusive, low IQ troll.

>>40412190
Well youre speaking to one who rejects male solidarity.
I believe in working class solidarity.

>>40412199
you aren't a fucking woman, Gincel. You're a bisexual man in denial. You can stop pretending to be a lesbian woman, it's pathetic.
Stupid bitch. Look how many years of your life you've wasted away behind that screen. Lol.

>>40412183
>"kek a key is still a key even if you melt it down and turn it into a neck"
the shape and function has changed so much that it's unrecognizable

>>40412205
i put feminism before class struggle.

>>40412202
lesbians are happy to leave and have our own space lmfao.we're tired of dealing with being lumped with you paraphilic moids and your orgies and child molestation.

>>40412212
who is gincel? i'm not a woman and not claiming to be. i am not OP. i'm a straight male on estrogen. i also barely use this board.

>>40412216
You cannot have feminism without class struggle, otherwise it will be an endless futile fight that goes nowhere. As I said. There is no such thing as a truly elite woman, and until we bring down the concept of the elite the oppression of women will continue.

>>40412216
You're too busy hating on men and abusing your gfs like the crypto pseudo males you want to be, pathetic.

>>40412215
It’s not a vagina though, at the very least you can admit that. In all honesty it’s an inverted penis.

>>40412233
its not identical to a vagina but the idea that i'm stuck with some kind of penis forever would make me suicidal so i have to at least call it a "neovagina"

>>40412227
my goal is for women to build strength and restrict the influence of male sexuality on society. this is not a part of some wider struggle that includes men.

>>40412243
It doesn’t even look similar to a vagina proportionally or at all

>>40412224
Stop LARPing. It's pathetic. You make me sick.

>>40412233
"the muscular tube leading from the external genitals to the cervix of the uterus in women and most female mammals."
you can apply this to srs girls because even without a uterus its still a tube shaped sex organ that leads the outer organ to the inner
a cis woman that was born without a uterus will still have a vagina so the same thing can be applied to trans woman

>>40412266
You're retarded. What do you think the men at the top will just let that happen? Do you think that the boys club that holds all the influence in the world will just allow that influence of male sexuality to be removed from society?
Society is shaped in the image of its rulers and guess what all of our rulers are? Or do you think that the epstiens of the world will stop doing what they do because we just got the right to abortion?
The only way to bring it down is from the top. As I said once that is done then it all collapses under its own weight.

>>40412268
that depends on how good the results are. i've seen some that are more visually convincing than others. none are identical in function tho.

>>40412294
women need to gain power without pandering to males.

>>40411617 (OP)
are you considering “transbians” just t4t trans lesbians? because to me any trans lesbian is a transbian, and there the obvious difference, even if you’re misgendering trans women, is that they like cis women too