this is a general for men, be cis men, bisexual men, gay men, FtM and reppers

just in case i'll let some interesting links here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male

https://oliverbatemandoesthework.substack.com/p/the-work-of-autoandrophilia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_dominance_(BDSM)

this is not a ftm general. though ftm are welcome here, this thread is generally for men doing men things and talking about manly stuff

took my menstrogen shot

>>40544319
what is that

>>40544342
estrogen for men

>>40544247 (OP)
fucking hell this image reminds me i need to get back into working out, super hard to kick yourself into doing it with no friends to go with you and hold you accountable

>>40544380
i have been working out for all these years alone. is in fact when i went with friend that i get distracted. i got a nice body and good genetics, a shame that i had become a fat fuck and let myself go

>>40544247 (OP)
I love drawings and morphs with wildly unrealistic proportions like this, but it does hurt knowing I can’t really ever get there. Still, I’m feeling good about my progress lately, bros.

>>40544445
props to you man, i'm too depressed to be consistent with anything and with working out consistency is all that matters

>>40544522
holy shit you look stunning, might have some of that body dysmorphia if you actually want to look like the drawings

>>40544522
you have the utmost perfect body, buffed out and super manly. i almost feel like sucking your pecs. do you have a muscle grown fetish by any means?

>>40544536
don't be stupid anon. the bigger the better

>>40544525
maybe you will feel better after doing some exercise. don't feel like you need to follow a routine. just go for a run or pump some weights and you'll see how that energy will replenish your soul

>>40544536
Thanks dude. I’m sure I do have BDD, but I’ve been able to channel it somewhat productively. The desire to be even bigger is there, but not debilitating or anything.

>>40544716
My chest loves stimulation, you can go to town lol. And god yes do I have a muscle growth fetish, that’s how pics like yours first imprinted on me. I flexed out of some old shirts recently and it practically got me high.

>>40544735
I tend to agree.

>>40544735
3 is the best imo. Nice tits though

>>40544798
you got any kind of discord or anything? i think seeing you makes me horny like no one, you seem like you can do a good flex and a good fuck. you deserve to be fucking worshiped lmao

>>40544873
you like twinks?

>>40544903
twinks with prominent pecs are peak

>>40544914
can you provide an example?

>*calls you a faggot*

>>40544522
bro this is good. why do you want movie star tier perfection? you know they starve to achieve that, yeah? youre fucking hot

>>40544522
What a beautiful body.

>>40544522
how many calories do u eat in a day dood? and what weight are u at. my biggest issue isnt torturing myself in the gym, its all the damn protein i need to consume.

>>40544896
That’s very flattering, but I’m actually with someone and monogamous. I just bodypost on here and /fit/ from time to time with his consent. And despite the muscle growth kink, I’m actually pretty submissive—probably not the vibe you’re actually looking for.

>>40545104
>>40545139
Wow, thanks. I do know I’m a little deluded, lol. Posting my progress and getting a reality check from other men helps.

>>40545268
I don’t strictly count calories, but it’s definitely a lot. I just try to eat 4 substantial meals per day that are relatively healthy and whole. I’m 6’0” and 215 for reference.

>>40545656
4 whole meals
Dawg I eat 2-3 and even I feel full on that. Once I get to a certain weight I’m able to hold it betterx but the issue is actually gettin that high up. How long are ur workout sessions typically?

>>40544735
not cartoonish impossible bullshit like this though >>40544445 that just looks like an alien with completely fucked bone structure
>>40544798
if you aren't losing sleep over it then it's fine, nothing wrong with still wanting to improve even if you're already in a great place

>>40545746
try finding something nutritious you won't get full of, for example i can eat an ungodly amount of asian food but if i have a burger i'm instantly full at like half the portion of the former

>>40545806
I was thinking maybe shakes. Logically, one can down a full cup of some liquid a lot quicker than food that needs to be chewed. So maybe I'll start doing some heavy calories shake? Milk and what else.

>>40545830
that does not work for me, milk is also heavy on the stomach but if you make it with water and throw in protein powder instead that could work

>>40545979
Water and protein powder is a good idea. It is chalky but I’m sure I could chug an extra 300-500 calories at the end of the day.

>>40544247 (OP)
how to get rid of my male soul if i want to be a girl

>>40546315
Look like a girl. The rest comes naturally.

>>40545656
you are just so perfect anon. i love males so much

>>40546315
why would you want that...

>>40545656
>>40546376
to be honest i dont care if you are submissive. you need a good fuck in the ass too and be subject to fat dick. but if you are dating someone then i'll respect that. your partner must be lucky as shit

wish i didn't have agp so i could just get shredded now i feel like being somewhat fem or at least unmasculine is important to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dghIJ-Hp4i8

>>40546594
i fucking LOVE king of the hill man

https://youtu.be/ihCWYrMdsBE?si=3Ddwmn7uXq-hh41Z

>>40544522
Nice body, wish I was smaller so it was attainable, are you on PEDs?

>>40544247 (OP)
i miss 4wheeling and dirtbiking so much bros

>>40546810
there is no way he is not in steroids with that delicious body

Oh wow, the thread is still going.

>>40545746
One of the meals is usually a shake, which helps—liquids let you be calorie dense without feeling quite so full. But I don’t mean “I mixed some protein powder in a shaker with milk,” I mean a full blown blender smoothie with things like kefir, nut butter, veggies, fruit, and so on. I have five gym sessions a week, each is about 90 minutes of actual work once you cut out a light warmup and stretching.

>>40545774
No sleep lost, just the latent urge to be 8 ft tall and 500 lbs due to the muscle growth fantasies imprinting on me so hard when I was a teen. It then makes me think of myself as still “not really that big” in comparison. Then I go put on my XL shirt and realize I’m a dumbass lmao.

>>40546376
Thanks anon. High fucking praise from a baki enjoyer of all people.

>>40546464
I’m extremely lucky too, and he treats me really well. He’s brilliant, handsome, and naturally dominant in a quiet, confident way. (Side note: he’s not a buff guy by any means, so if you’re into guys like me just know that being huge yourself is not a prerequisite.) He manages to make me both feel big and strong but also subservient. He makes me feel like his personal domesticated livestock.

>>40546810
>>40548514
Around nine months ago, I hopped on a TRT cruising dose—200mg/wk, from a pharmacy and under a doctor’s supervision. I’ve put on about ten pounds since then, and had never taken anything before that. So for whatever it’s worth, the 205 lb version of me is attainable natty. To normies I think I still appear natty, though; they’re used to bodies in the media which are basically always enhanced in a million physical and digital ways. But I don’t like lying and creating unreasonable expectations if a person actually asks me.

Would you date a cowboy

>>40544247 (OP)
>the photo from wikipedia
Why do i never look either like the female models or male models? Even prehrt i just looked like a mix of these features and idk why, my testosterone was outright nonexistent

>>40546810
you can tell he is just by looking at his gross skin

>>40548909
When u were natural, how many lbs of muscle were you putting on per year from your start?

>>40549365
I’ve been lifting seriously for like ten years, but was also completely unathletic and skinny before then. Probably 5 lbs a year on average? I feel like it came in long plateaus, though, not so much a continuous growth.

>>40549918
5lbs a year. So to get to my goal, that’ll be 4 years god dang. See yall in 4 years then

>>40548909
Elaborate. I like when Anons talk highly of their partners. What makes him brilliant. And how does he make you feel big, small and subservient.

>>40548909
i think your body is exactly how the greek semi-god herakles looked back in the past. your veins, your pumping muscles, your absolute libidic soul. you are an inspiration for all those who want to be bigger and greater

>>40549066
brokeback mountain stuff? yes sure. my ideal partner is someone i can go to the gym for hours and fuck in the locker afterwards. i had this e-dating guy who was my first top. i meet him on 4chan and he though he was a werewolf. It was si fucking hot when he told me that he want me to have his puppies

>>40549322
kill yourself envious nigga

>>40550898
right? he is so sweet. i bet his insides feel like crazy tho

>>40549936
I'm a different anon that roids but my first year going from doing nothing to lifting 5x a week I gained about 15lbs. You can definitely get fast noob gains at first. After that I think I stabilized at about 5-7lbs a year for 5 years until I got to around 200lbs, then it really slowed down to maybe 3lbs a year until I started doing roid cycles, then it jumped back to 7lbs a year.

>>40551923
thanks for the advice. ive been training for a while but almost entirely calisthenics. my main issue with being as big as that guy and as big as u is how MUCH y'all have to eat, i genuinely do not know how you do it. I'd rather hit 160-170, so only about 15-20 lbs more than my current size.

I dont want to do steroids since it does seem like users become a bit reliant on it, but im interested in peptides. have you or the other muscle anon tried those?

>>40552077
yeah during that time I ate between 3000-4000 calories, and 3000 was usually only if I wanted to maintain and not see any increases in size. I had to start doing actual bulk/cut cycles when I got near 200lbs (I started at 130) so I was eating 4000+ a day often except on a "cheat day" where I let myself only eat around 3000 just to combat calorie fatigue

>>40552130
that's the part that i struggle with; calorie intake. I just can't seem to find a way to eat that much, I might just start trying shakes like the other anon suggested. according to online calculators id need to eat about 2500-3000 cal to gain weight.

Then again, I am fine with my current weight. I just want a bigger, fuller chest. There are some people who are on that hedonic treadmill and constantly want more and more, i aint one of those people.

>>40551923
aren't you scared of the health consecuences? do you have a muscle worship/growth fetish? are FtM, cis, bisexual or gay?

>>40552391
as a former 120lber I just can't comprehend how people get fat. I have to plan my day around eating to get in 4000 calories and track everything in an app or I'll trend way under that. I tend to aim for between 180-200g of protein a day though which is probably way more filling than chips and cookies or whatever fat people that don't lift are eating

>>40552411
muscle worship and size difference fetish for me. I'm a cis gay guy.
I don't do crazy cycles and am strict about limiting myself to 12 week cycles twice an year. I also get blood tested/physicals 3 times a year. Between cycles my testosterone is about 1000 ng/dl which is at the high end of technically in normal range

>>40552453
>180-200g protein
I feel like maybe thats what i need; just more protein. from what I understand, protein is required for building muscle. so even if i eat, say, 3000 calories in a day, if its all junk food and empty calories like potato chips i wont build muscle.

That's my understanding. Just pure calories isnt enough to build muscle, you need protein as well

>>40552486
you gotta just track everything in myfitnesspal/cronometer/whatever. you can't intuitively eat your way to a lot of muscle growth because it requires you to eat quantities of food and protein your body isn't used to

>>40552530
looks like that's what im gonna have to do. femboys sure got it easy, just do some simple workouts and starve. building big pecs for em to sleep on is way harder

>>40552577
it's worth it for the booba

>>40552478
can you send me your discord so i can have a taste of that body of yours or you are also dating?

>>40552682
I don't like to give up my anonymity on here but here's me at my most overbulked

>>40552742
i am not interested. but your ogremaxxing looks neat. unironically

>>40552771
I only stay that fat for brief periods of time. usually I'll look more normal

>>40552824
dunno what that anon is on about you're cute either way

>>40552860
it' so much work eating enough to stay that fat that I don't think I'd actually be able to sustain it for much longer than a couple months

>>40552824
what is the leanest you have been?

>>40552860
i didn't say he wasn't cute. i just said its not my type

>>40553008
well I was 120lbs so it would have been before I started lifting for sure

>>40553112
>>40553008
oh actually here's a good before and after really aggressively going for mass without caring too much about staying super lean

>>40544798
booba

>>40553112
your back is beautiful anon, i would love to kiss it and lick it like a dog

>>40553153
i wanna spread my legs for you anon, you are just so tight

>>40553366
this /mengen/ has become just a gay goon den. nothing wrong with it tho

>>40553626

>>40553647
fuck i just love men. i love their smell, their touch, their muscles pumping out. the male body is the peak built for survival and it has a mystical entonation

How do I stop being bi? I’m too old for this shit. I want to stop feeling like a perverted loser. I just want to be a normie.

>>40553626
is this now the pec gooning thread?

>>40553970
no. but gooning is always welcome

>>40553837
hey at least you aren't a tranny. i recommend you to go to conversion therapy. is they are non-religious the better

>>40554181
Does that shit actually work?

>>40554225
i am thinking on going myself. i think it has just bad publicity because of evangelism. but an neutral non-religious approach can be helpful. the hard thing is finding one that is not religiously affiliated

>>40553970

>>40554635
imagine it leaking milk...

>>40555063

>>40555131

>>40555226
surely this is synthol right. or some injections.

>>40555269
probably just anglefraud+focal distance. synthol doesn't inject well into the chest

>>40555380

>>40544522
Does it help knowing that some of us would do literally anything to be with you?

>>40555131
>>40555226
>>40555380
>>40555388
damn my thread has become on a thirsty trap

>>40555447
i have keep daydreaming about him all day. i want to lick every inch of his body and then insert my cock in his warmth insides

>>40550898
He’s got some pretty dazzling academic achievements, but maybe more importantly he is just very perceptive and intuitive—he grasps issues and solutions quickly. Talking with him about real ideas can turn into a fun back-and-forth, almost like a game if you have some intelligence yourself and want to play.

In part, he makes me feel big just by having a more lean, average build himself. I’ve got like 40 or so pounds on him. But he also just really likes my meatiness, particularly my chest, arms, and ass. So he gives them a lot of attention—he’ll grab and heft and shake in ways that make me feel almost obscenely beefy.

Nevertheless, he is the alpha. He likes to take charge of many decisions big and small, and I genuinely like to just follow and be told what to do (or just given a few alternatives). He calls me a good boy, gives me headpats, and rubs me when I’m obedient. Lately he’s been putting me on my hands and knees more, looking up at him. It sounds silly and simple, but the sequence of being told to kneel, sinking down to eye level with his bulge, and then getting praised for submitting has a way of profoundly getting in my head.

>>40551697
That’s a really incredible description, anon, thanks. It makes me feel like I’m the muscle growth fantasy subject instead of consumer, which is a crazy reversal.

>>40553112
A+ back pic, anon. You look wide, tapered, and strong,

>>40553366
Something about having my pecs grabbed from behind like that is always particularly intense. It makes me feel like a real milk truck.

>>40555523

>>40555447
Looks like I missed this one. I recognize that long-term peace and joy can’t come from external validation, but…yeah, it’s awesome haha. Praise always feels nice, and grows my self-image a little bigger every time. It’s a little funny to see phrasing like yours, though, because I’m the one who likes being told what to do. I recently saw Babygirl and almost fucking exploded.

>>40555523
based. I'm a submissive service top for smaller twinks

>>40555523
do you let him give you good sniff like in the armphits or your ass or isn't that his thing?

>>40555523
>>40555609
related pic is a Protestant painting of Hercules being sissified and brought into submission. It reminds me so much of your status as a bottom beefy stud. There's nothing to be thankful for. I think every part of your body deserves to be worshipped. I would pay good money to clean you as you take a bath or just give you a massage on that gorgeous ripped tight back of yours. I dare say you're the most incredible man I've ever seen, not only for your heroic body but also for your warm personality. I think having sex with you must be like a mystical revelation of masculinity. I hope you'll post in the following /mengen/

I have a BF and love making out with him.

even that is not 1/10th as gay as this thread is. amazin

>>40555609
why did you want to explode watching babygirl? also >>40544522 that tight collar you are wearing is like a pitbull wearing a chain collar. is so hot because its like you are lik e a huge submissive dog

>>40555656
That’s awesome, service top is a really hot vibe. I’m a little indifferent between topping and bottoming. So long as my partner is assertive, either one can make me feel like a simple, controlled animal. I bet the twinks have a lot of fun using you.

>>40555868
I’m the more scent-driven one by far, but he does like the way my pits smell and will tell me to lift my arms and flex so he can get in there. I smell him way more, though. Pits. Balls. Ass. Sometimes if he’s not around, I’ll smell his laundry.

>>40555931
I like your passion, and I’m happy to hear that I inspire you so strongly. Heroic is a really incredible adjective to receive. I hope there is more /mengen/, but I shouldn’t take up so much of the space always.

>>40555994
It was really intense seeing a major film centered on the kinds of dom/sub dynamics that largely define my sexuality. It felt very true to my experience (other than the infidelity angle) and nature. Add the slow build of a movie, high production values, and trancelike music…and it just got burned into my brain. So much foreplay and subtext builds up before the first time he calls her “good girl”—at which point I actually yelped I was so locked in.

>like a pitbull wearing a chain collar
>like a huge submissive dog
That’s exactly what I was going for when I got it, so it’s really nice to hear you say that.

>>40556275
Just a passerby commenting; its kind of wild to see people like you existing outside of books and comics. That type of stuff is so absurd--a beefy, tall muscular dude bottoming to someone smaller-- that I'd often wonder if it was just fantasy.

You're an interesting critter is what I mean to say.

>>40556275
have you ever jerked off smelling his dirty clothes?

>>40556275
you really seem to enjoy the master/slave dynamic. do you have sex often anon?

>>40556302
I'm the other roided anon and not that one but A LOT of big roided dudes are total bottoms. to the point it can be hard to find a top if you're a masc4masc muscle queen

>>40556481
are you being serious? how does that make sense, though? isnt such a high level of testosterone supposed to make them more aggressive / assertive? I dont get the mathematics behind that.

>>40556518
I don't think there's solid evidence that testosterone makes people more aggressive/assertive, that's more of just a bro myth. the actual peer reviewed research on test indicates it increases in-group altruism/out-group prejudice and status seeking behavior

>>40556561
oh and also increases fetishistic behavior and paraphilias. so if you already had a submission kink before roiding, well test is going to make it go nuts

>>40556561
how is there submissiveness, though? like, im a lean muscular guy. i guess i'd be considered a twunk or whatever. if im with a girl, i can pick her up. i can move her body the way i want. there's that dominance aspect.
with a beefcake like y'all, how the hell do i do any of that. at that point the only thing id have is my dick, which luckily god gave me a decently sized one. but aside from that, im struggling to understand the situation.

>>40556630
>id have is my dick
I mean...if it's good dick that's probably enough for me and most muscle bottoms. otherwise a lot of muscle subs like being ordered around and groped and stuff.

>>40553647

I am so fucking attracted to men it's debilitating damn that's hot

>>40556662
Anecdotal evidence isn’t always the most reliant, but all of my exes have said they loved being in bed with me.

I don’t think I’m into guys like that, I’ll lay with a femboy or trans girl, just haven’t given the muscle sub much thought because I didn’t think it existed outside of girls fantasies.

>>40556630

Psychological domination is the best kind, a lot of these guys like the helpless pathetic needy mindset they get during a scene with someone smaller and weaker treating them like a dumb helpless animal, or toy, the embarassment of having a personality that feels obligated to obey commands to someone they have no excuse to be forced to serve, he can't physically make you, you're giving up more than your body when you fulfill all his demands. It can be really stimulating to have a guy selfishly grope and lick and kiss and massage you for his own satisfaction knowing that you're his fantasy and "no one else" could fulfill him like you can by just giving him whatever he wants. You can tie up a big guy, order him to suck you off, play with his body and edge him, dress him up, ridicule or praise him, test how hard you can squeeze or how strong he can be or how many hits he can take, fuck his ass sloppy, make him fuck you the way you like it like a dildo and order him to tell you how much he loves it and how he was made for you. So so so many things you can still do with a submissive bigger than yourself. Plus the aftercare is incredible, doting and petting and kissing and thanking a huge guy after he indulges all your whims is the best because they're so proud they did so good!

Muscle submissives are my favorite

>>40556821
can i send you my discord?

>>40556821
Well when you put it that way, it does make sense. Still, the overlap of people who fit that criteria is surely as tiny as possible;
Hugely muscular
submissive
Into men

Guys like those probably barely exist.

>>40556884

Nice of you to offer, yes. Glad that what I said resonated with you.

>>40556898

Then you'd find it surprising how common it is. Muscular men are not more dominant on average compared to men who do not cultivate their physical appearance, and a lot of gay men pursue body building because they value male beauty. Lots of gay men are muscular, and lots of gay men are submissive, when they overlap you get muscle submissives.

It's worth noting that the real limiting factor is time, a lot of those physiques are not longterm old age sustainable. Some men are in this shape from 20 to 45 but in my experience that's where they either have to accept their body becoming normal or committing to regular steroid use and being more food limited than before. It's a dynamic that is really meant to be appreciated during the time you have it and not set as a lifestyle goal if you care about the wellbeing of the submissive, which I do

>>40557156
my discord is @jan_dorian

>>40557156
>It's worth noting that the real limiting factor is time

Ah yeah. It’s the same with femboys and trans girls. Outside of a few edge cases, the effeminate nature of their appearances slowly wane. In a way it’s more poetic. To put so much time and effort to achieve a certain kind of beauty knowing full well it won’t last for that long.

>>40557267

Trans girls are not a body type, that's a kind of woman. Trans women can have slender or curvy or non passing bodies at any point in their lives and even forever. You can't age out of being a woman, you just become an old woman

>>40557467
what is a trans woman?

>>40557467
I agree partly. The truth is they are ultimately born male. Continuous usage of hormones and procedures can convert them to a muc more feminine frame if done early in life. But ultimately they will age. And at best they’ll age into a somewhat androgynous male.

This is quickly becoming my favorite gen. It’s interesting to reflect and try to express all of this in words.

>>40556302
I agree with the other steroid anon—muscle bottoms are not rare at all. Among the other big, roided gays I know, the proportion of bottoms vs. tops is basically just the same as the general gay population (which seems to vary a lot by city). But almost none of the bottoms I know are actual subs into being dominated. Remember that bottom isn’t 1-to-1 with sub.

>>40556367
Yeah. Most recently was a few weeks ago. I huffed and listened to some good boy conditioning hypnosis. It was hot. I try to only jerk off once or twice a week to save as much sexual energy for my owner as I can. It’s a little tough; I could have sex every day and then some, haha.

>>40556376
My sex drive has always been very high—I have sex with my owner 3-4 times a week. It’s not always penetrative sex, though, we do lots of things. I’ve finished before just from pec / nipple play, for example.

>>40556821
And…I’m hard. This dude gets it. It’s 100% psychological, and those are all very good ways of activating a sub’s wiring. All of that was very hot to read (I don’t like being hit, though).

>>40558767
its great that you like this thread anon. i think that understeanding the profoundity of muscle worship and sex dynamics without any kind of shame gives a great mental liberation. the stuff you said about cumming only from pec/nipple play is seriously hot stuff, i wich i could suck you afterwards desu. you are inciting me to go back to the gym and start working out. i want to reach one day that beautiful ectasy of malehood that you have, with that absolute built you must feel so good. the fact that you are an bottom hunk also makes it better because we that means that no matter how strong you are, you always will be a bitch. imagine building all that inner strentgh only to be absolutely fucked in the ass. must feel so good

leg day today

>>40544247 (OP)
cant believe i spent 4-5 months when first on t having a does of 40 mg of gel daily. moved to injections and I'm doing 100 mg. been getting really horny recently. only been able to cum since after starting testosterone. feels good man

>>40559507

Was the same for me, cumming is the best and T is my savior

>>40544247 (OP)

>>40544247 (OP)
While we're on the topic, anyone else here begrudgingly annoyed that they're submissive when it comes to sex? Zoomer, male, a little cocky, kind of assertive IRL, and i've been hooking up with this dude for a while now. A little older than me, but chill dude. Over time, with sex, he's become more domineering, and it's pretty clear that we're both into it, but fuck me it just feels so embarrassing. We'll wrestle around sometimes, and the moment he pins me down, it just instills this weird sense of obedience in me, to the point where I'll drop to my knees, he'll tell me to beg to suck him off, and I just do it. Needed a spare set of clothes when we last met (mine were wet from the rain), and he just threw me this little jockstrap to put on, then told me that I won't need much else. Literally went diamonds from that alone, but fuck me, how can i be so assertive and this is what does it for me? It annoys me that there are men out there, and they can cause these sorts of feelings in me.

>>40559980
it wouldn't be as hot if you weren't a little embarrassed over it

>>40559980
this is so damn hot anon, the whole wrestling things seems absolute and pure. having the natural affair to be fucked and pumped out by the strongest. you deserve every inch of cum inside your ass as you are a little dog that needs to learn how to behave

ITT
>gaygen minus the trannies

>>40544247 (OP)
so like can i come in here as a troon just to thirst or

>>40561755
no

>>40561778
oh......

>>40561728
trannies are welcomed here, FtM and poonies are okay. didn't you read? this is a general to become a better man but naturally has become a thirst trap. nothing wrong with it tho

>>40561889
don't listen to this faggot >>40561778 i am the OP of the thread. what kind of trans are you? FtM or MtF?

>>40562028
Sauce?

>>40562028
oh im mtf lmao
but iwnbaw so heyy

>>40559507
what kind of levels do pooners aim for? as a cis man I try and be around 1000 ng/dL unless I'm roiding

>>40561297
Yeah, I get that, still feels surreal though. As if there's a cognitive dissonance to it, if that makes sense?
>>40561697
It's very psychological I suppose, but that he can physically overpower me is important. I have this innate attitude where I have this urge to push back. I find it difficult to just acquiesce and give in. But, with him, I feel as if I have been put in my place at this point. When he grabs me and pins me against a wall, i just feel this sense of meekness, kind of that there is a greater authority at play. It sounds almost silly to say this as a dude, but it just fosters a sort of obedience in me. If any dude off the street wanted me to play dress up for him off the bat, I'd tell him to fuck off, but he can snap his fingers, and I'll throw on some faggy jockstrap and grab him a beer as soon as he tells me to.
Also,
>ou deserve every inch of cum inside your ass as you are a little dog that needs to learn how to behave
Hot, ngl

>>40562190
send discord

also, yeah you are welcome, but this thread isn't for you. please keep that in mind

>>40562219
nta but last i checked my levels were at 600ng/dl at 50mg which was satisfactory for me
i diy now and add a bit of deca on the side, i haven't gotten tested since the first time they gave me T so i have no idea where it sits now
for a bit i did increase my dose to 70mg but tbqh i felt like my physique looked worse then

>>40562447
deca is my favorite to cycle but for cis men it shuts your testosterone down bad so you have to carefully manage pct off cycle to not feel like shit and lose all your gains

>>40562522
i started cause i read up on it as an alternative to traditional T hrt but i'm early enough in my transition i'm not confident i can forgo changes from dht
those writings focused on running deca solo and not with T like i'm doing and i'm not sure if it changes what i should expect from it. it shutting off cismen's testosterone is due to it being an exogenous source and not anything else right?

So... I've been messing around on grindr this past few weeks. had mostly good experiences, a few god fucking awful ones, but I've had one recurring issue with each encounter... I haven't been able to cum.
It's not that I'm not excited or enjoying myself. I consider myself bisexual and whilst I haven't been able to ejaculate I've been able to get my partners to cum. I've done sucking I've let them fuck me and I feel rewarded but I do feel like I should be able to jack off to these encounters. Folks have tried to suck me off and I've attempted to initiate anal but the lil guy just won't perform.
I'm a bit anxious... Looking at grindr I swear I've got a tiny fucking baby dick compared to these guys. I did have a fap issue where it was basically a daily ritual for around ten years and the main media I absorb has been jerking myself to anime fetish porn and written media.
I'm just not sure... is this a normal thing? I never thought I'd genuinely have erectile dysfunction in the period where I've had the most sex in my life.

>>40562594
yeah if you're not a cis man worried about shutting down your own test production then you don't need to worry about that part. some guys see big prolactin spikes on nandrolones which would also suppress test in cis men, not sure what happens if you're ftm. when I did deca cycles it was 200mg/week deca and 500mg/week test-e with an AI and cabergoline on hand if I had prolactin issues but I never did. I've also done one with hcg injections towards to sedond half of the 12 weeks to prevent my nuts from shutting down too much. then standard clomid pct afterwards

>>40552771
orc-moding/ogremaxxing is hottt

>>40562601
try and abstain from jerking and looking at porn for a week and see what happens when you hook up. if I've been gooning like a roided retard every single day right before a hookup sometimes it can be hard to cum during actual sex

>>40562295
i love people like you, just men that stripe down their dignity for the sake to serve someone superior. you are just a stupid fuck that needs to behave to actual strong men. in this world is to devour or the devoured anon, and you seen to understeand that very well

>>40544247 (OP)
what about manmoders

>>40544319
based

>>40562704

>>40562734
>>40561697
>>40558953
Is this all the same anon? Because you definitely seem to get it. If you can project this aura in person and not just in words, you could get your own muscle sub for sure.

>>40559980
>>40562295
I also feel a little embarrassed, self-conscious, and inferior over it. It’s clear that I’m violating the expectations that go along with physical strength, and that I’m in a category that many others consider second-class. It doesn’t actually make me upset, but I’m definitely aware of it and it further fuels the raw heat I experience through submission.

Unlike you, though, I like the fact that my owner can’t overpower me physically:

>You are so much bigger and stronger
>You could pin him, you know you could
>But you won’t
>Because deep down you don’t want to
>You’re right where you belong
>Below him, kneeling because he told you to
>Your muscles are just for pleasure
>His pleasure
>Everyone else probably thinks you take charge and push little twinks around
>They don’t know you’re just a good beefcake pup
>All that muscle and size and mass just drags you down
>Down, down, down…

>>40563186
yes. i am the OP of the thread. i did writte >>40562734 (YOU)
>>40561697 (YOU)
>>40558953 (YOU)
you got my discord here >>40557246 i know you are not interested in romantic/sexual affairs yet it would be nice to have a friend like you. i think that muscle growth/worship and bodybuilding in general is just the natural state of men. is not something filtered by though but by the desire to be more, to be powerful, to consume and to be consumed. this kind of things come naturally to us men. the fact you got that body is the absolute prove that you are living your life like nature intented, by becoming more big and strong and just overhelming every day until you become a god

>>40562704
>>40562782
jokes on you, i am actually balls deep into orc-maxxing. zoroj (pic related) has a lot of bara gay porn about human-orc and is just filthy good. when i play skyrim i create a nord character as a self-insert but i do go to the orc strongholds to become an orc warrior and eventually marry ghorbash the iron hand. almost every gameplay is like that

>>40563186
btw i love that clothing, you really have make a hunk of yourself, bet that wrestling with you must feel good

>>40563458
orc romance is best romance

>>40552824
peak male physique
>t.ranny

Wtf why does mengen have hotter guys than gaygen??

>>40563745
gg is nothing but trip trash

>>40563466
>be slim otter
>have bara rugby bf
I normally love summer but cuddling with him it gets too hot this time of year. But anyway, size difference is king

>>40563617
i wanted to play orc covenant for a while now. seems like a great porn game desu

>>40563885
I like my orcs to be grotesquely buff and they looked a little small in that game for my tastes

>>40563745
gaygen is pozzed

>>40563745
because /mengen/ is the better /gayden/

>>40563912
there was this it.chio visual novel of a half-orc going to college and it was so good but since it.chio decided to ruin themselves by deleting all pornographic games i cant find it anymore baka

>>40563988
the truth is that working out takes effort. you can make arguments about which is better or hotter or whatever, but ultimatley going to the gym and watching what food goes into your body takes time and effort. if ur a normal gay dude like the types that on gaygen, or worse, lazy shut in trannies, then of course ur persoanlity will be shite. im not into buff guys but y'all are very cordial and polite and open to talk about your fetishes and kinks and desires and whatnot. and some people even connect thru here. its a wasteland in those other places.

>>40563713
I'm back to bulking again

down to roleplay as gay spartan warrior

>>40564114
that gets gangbanged by an orc tribe?

>>40564087
>>40563988
I'm old enough to have seen the earnest efforts of /mascgen/ try to be a thing but it eventually fizzled out/was torn down by gaygen posters and as much as it's much nicer here, I envision mengen suffering a similar fate. The thing about this website is that only the truly bored, sad, and bitter stick around on this site and well adjusted people don't waste all their time on 4chan so generals like this don't last, sadly

>>40564255
i'll try my best to put it on place and dont make it a goon cave. at the end of the day this is a gen that should be similar to /sig/. there is certain thirst traps like >>40544522 that actually help to put value to the thread but if you dont have anything to say and you are going to post porn here without a caption or anything meaningful to say you can GTFO

>>40564091

I want to put hickies on every inch of you 10/10

>>40564325
Unfortunately I'm a gooner who only wants to talk about macro and size diff lol

>>40564331
despite looking like that I want to get dominated by guys with this body type

>>40564369
do you enjoy macrophilia?

>>40564114
>>40564148
send discord

>>40564494
Hell yeah I do. I'm an author of gay macro smut

>>40564409
Are you 5'7

>>40565209
5'10

>>40565240
We love a buff short king

>>40564979
how so? can you send something of your own?

>>40565287
Uh, the previous site for male macrophilia, CoiledFist, got shut down, so my stories are all offline atm and I'm dragging my feet reposting them to the successor sites. Generally I write mushy romances about gentle giant muscle bears and their tiny lovers. Somebody drew fanart of my most popular story, Born Again

>>40544735
it sucks being a skinny pooner and being into this shit. It's s9 difficult for me to eat enough to get big, and ny bone structure is already nit great. how i long for someone to beef me up

>>40565412
damn i remember you

>>40565412
>>40566287
if you send your discord i can give you some gym advice for the prize of your nudes

>>40566298
why can't you share it for the masses?

>>40565412
what's your cycle + test levels? assuming you're at around 1000 ng/dL test you should see a lot of easy gains. if you want more add anavar

>>40566503
i don't eat enough or workout consistently enough. i've been thin my whole life. i earnestly wish that nutrient paste existed. i love food, but eating 3 meals a day is a struggle for me.

>>40566569
as someone that went from 120 to 200lbs there's really no magic trick other than track your calories daily and up it by 200-500 at a time. eventually you'll be so used to 3000 calories that you actually will feel hungry on anything less, but it takes a year or so for that to feel "normal"

>>40566569
do pooners ever do hgh? that would probably help with the appetite

>>40567360
do you realize how expensive hgh is?

>>40567391
mk677 is dirt cheap if they want to mess with secretagogues instead of actual growth hormone

>>40565412

>>40567567

>take adderall
>don’t immediately start working
>spend 12 hours arguing on the internet and getting worked up
God damn it not again

>>40567567

>>40568950
Why does it make him black

While the idea can seem hot, I like my men flat chested tyvm
>>40564114
We really do need to go back to tradition

>>40568961
you mean tan?

>>40565353
i would love to read a fragment of whatever you writte

>>40568961
didnt read the caption award

>>40569028
>>40569069
Idk he looks black

>>40567626
>>40567567
>>40568950
is this what FtM poonies jerk off to?

>>40562734
Slowly learning that, anon. Not to sound braggy, but it's funny, in that in everyday life I tend to be very assertive and high-achieving - varsity, stellar grades, realistically I will (most probably) end up in a high-achieving career too. I guess with sex, there's something a bit more primal about it? The loss of control feels exhilarating, even with the embarrassment. As you said, it's stripping away this veneer, almost to be claimed if that makes sense? Once that happens, I just kind of give in, and I feel more inclined to try what I would ordinarily not, or at the very least to get off purely on the basis that another man can cause me to submit, as cringy as it sounds.
>>40563186
How do you cope with the embarrassment anon? Is it just something you accept? For me it almost causes me to push back a little, which is why I need the other dude to be stronger physically, and that way it's easier for me to accept the power dichotomy.

>>40544247 (OP)
Heya ftm here
I genuinely feel like it's over for me. My face is shit, my skeleton is shit, 3 months in but no matter how much test i will just look like a hirsute lesbian
I've considered repping but that sounds even worse so idk if i should try to roid

>>40544798
>>40544522
You already look like a cartoon character (in a good way!) and probably look even better IRL

I love feeling up bigger men's arms and chests

Thoughts on hasan?

>>40570449
Me too

>>40570908
get the fuck out of my thread. NOW

go back to your gayden cave you filthy nigger moor arab worshipper

>>40569035
This is an earlier one of mine that's pretty short: https://outsized.social/series/4rt0b2jpx8xxh1l

>>40570449
booba

>>40570361
3 months is nothing anon. give it a year at least

>>40570256
>how do you cope with the embarrassment
Well, the only person I’m really submitting in front of is my owner. We have been together a long time, and so I trust him and love him and can be vulnerable in front of him. It pleases him when I submit, so any embarrassment is really just internal, self-inflicted, and abstract. That makes it easier to put aside. This is also why I generally prefer a calm, confident alpha who uses positive reinforcement (“good boy”), compliments with an edge (“you’ve put in so much work to make your ass nice and bubbled for my cock”), and light teasing (“I know how much you like huffing my balls…”) over someone who is too overtly mean and insulting.

Honestly, it’s also just been helpful getting big and buff. It’s not the healthiest way of thinking, but at a certain point I felt like I was big enough that I can be kind of cringe and still be desirable, masculine, powerful, etc. Like I’ve earned it, or I have enough offsetting qualities or something.

You can also kind of meme yourself into more positive thinking about it via the submission itself. My owner is great, and he chose me—not despite the submission but partly because of it. It brings him pleasure, which is one of my drives, so it’s actually a very good thing I’m a beta.

>>40563466
Thank you! I have many singlets and jockstraps. I would post uncovered butt here, but I don’t think that’s allowed. Are cheeks without hole against the rules?

>>40564091
You look great btw. Big and powerful.

>>40570445
That’s really awesome praise. All of my teens were spent drooling over muscle morphs and drawings, hoping one day I might even come CLOSE. It’s wild to hear that I maybe got my wish.

Happy leg day, everyone. Managed to work up to 385 lbs for 6 ATG squats.

>>40573772
cheeks without holes are allow muscle-anon. i think id gave everything i have just to open your ass-cheeks and starting to lick you up real good. you must feel so fucking good when you are relegated to the actual submission. id love to have you as a pet. i think you are to good to be true and everytime you post, my cock just get hard rock. have you weared chastity cages in the past?

>>40573016
I know, I just feel like shit

what is it called when bottoms do this to get a tops attention?

>>40574720
twerk

>>40573890
I think my huge quads/hamstrings make my actual glutes look small, but it’s the last thing left that I have permission to show off—so enjoy.

I don’t really have an independent interest in chastity, but I’d try it if my owner wanted. Like I said before though, my sex drive is very high, so I think I would just go gradually insane and feral (and not in a hot way).

I hope you all have an awesome Friday night. I’m going to have an edible and play vidya with my owner. :)

>>40575168
nice butt

>>40573772
>>40570256
hot ngl, what kind of things do your doms do to you?
asking for a fren

>>40575168
>play vidya with my owner. :)
Which video games are your favorite and who do you think are hottest video game characters?

>>40575168
anon you are the hottest guy i ever meet

>>40544247 (OP)
i am gay

>>40544247 (OP)
bump

cowboy bf

>>40581020
does anyone else here likes brokeback mountain?

Hell yeah, /mengen/ is still going strong.

>>40575224
>>40575974
Thanks, dudes. I’m still surprised at the consistently positive response. /Gaygen/ is usually at least 50% mean comments, and /fit/ says I look like a gay slampig (which is fair).

>>40575553
I play a pretty wide variety, but souls-type games and metroidvanias are particular faves. Lately I’ve really been enjoying cozy games—Stardew Valley is easily in my top 5 now. It’s hard to think of hot video game characters, though. Anyone that would fit in a bara thread is great to look at, but for me attraction is more about attitude than body. One of the few guys who truly dommed me before my current owner was like 5’2”. Didn’t matter at all—he had the genuine alpha aura.

>>40575391
Every sub likes different things, but for me I think it can be summarized as: treat me like some combination of dog and trophy himbo. So he gives me commands, both mild ones throughout the day (heel, come, sit, fetch, flex, bounce), and heavier ones as foreplay (kneel, smell, suck, lick). When I obey (and sometimes just randomly), I get praised verbally (good boy) and physically (pats, rubbing, groping). That’s the core of it—he tells me what to do, I do it, I get positive reinforcement.

You can do a lot with that core of obedience. He’s given me a collar (the chain you see), which I’m expected to wear at all waking hours unless it’s not physically safe to do so. He sometimes assigns me hypnosis files to listen to (I’m pretty smart, but he knows I love feeling dumbed down). He’ll request photos after I workout. He’ll tell me to be wearing something specific when he gets home, or to wear something under my clothes when I go to work. And then during sex, I just do what he says automatically. It’s amazing to be able to completely shut your brain off and just be a big dumb animal.

I hope this helps your friend. :P

>>40581736
Yeah its an amazing movie and heath ledger is my secret crush (he loved da gays btw <33)
I still remember gooning to it as a baby gay when I saw it for the first time on tv lol

>>40581882

>or to wear something under my clothes when I go to work

like what?

>he’s given me a collar (the chain you see)

>he sometimes assigns me hypnosis files to listen to (I’m pretty smart, but he knows I love feeling dumbed down)

damn, holy fuck, this is so hot. i specially like hypno too, there is no hotter thing than go to sleep listening to someone telling you to become more stupid. if you could share some of your hypno then it would be great

>lately I’ve really been enjoying cozy games—Stardew Valley is easily in my top 5 now

who did you marry?

>hell yeah, /mengen/ is still going strong

i think a great bunch is because of you and your perfect body anon, i would love to give you a walk naked but i know only your owner can do that. also your wrestling bodysuits are top tier. have you ever wrestle your owner before sex?

This guy is so hot i want him.

>>40581952
>wearing something under my clothes
Jockstraps and thongs

>hypnosis
I like these guys’ stuff a lot:

https://m.soundcloud.com/melting-hypno/good-boy-conditioning

https://m.soundcloud.com/josh-hypno-2

https://m.soundcloud.com/0dumbjockbruh0

>who did you marry?
Alex, as you probably guessed lol

>wrestling before sex?
Yes, but it’s different. I’m going to sound like a broken record, but it’s more like I’m a dog playing—I’m not necessarily trying to “win” and if he actually started resisting and asserting his authority I’d just relent immediately. So I’ll pounce and push him a down bit if he’s letting me, wrap my arms around him tight or push his head into my chest, maybe squeeze my thighs around him.

>give you a walk naked
I think naked would be too intense for me, but I would find it very very very hot to be walked around in a collar and jockstrap, especially at like pride or a gay bar. My owner isn’t really into exhibitionism, though. I think for him maybe it feels like he has less of a claim over me—everyone is freely looking and taking me in. But for me it’s sort of the opposite. I think of it like I’m his prize bull he’s showing off at the county fair. I’m his trophy property. I can already see it in guys’ eyes sometimes when he and I go out now…like I’m helping to further raise his status, which makes me feel like I’m being so good.

It’s only happened a few times, but this sequence of events is sooo hot to me: a guy hits on me or asks if we’re open, my owner asserts his exclusivity, but then…says the guy can touch my pecs/arms if he wants. Doesn’t ask me, just offers me up. And then I smile and flex and the guy feels and I can tell he wants more so bad…and everyone sees my owner for the chad thundercock alpha he is…fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>40582544
great hypno, thank you! also, your dick, beard and hands look so fucking amazing. you were jerking off as you wrote this? id wish your owner let me play with your nips

>>40544445
Yeah. I prefer to be alone with my own thoughts. That's when I become physically active. I used to be a curl monkey and bench bro but I love working out my abs, legs, ass, and back now. I've got an idea on what to do but as a loner it still would be nice to receive pointers instead of figuring it out myself. I workout out of my home. So I can just walk out to my garage and do whatever. It's so convenient that way.

>>40544247 (OP)
bumping

>>40582544
Damn bro, you are absolutely gorgeous (and you have a great ass too). It's really awesome that you responded to so many questions; I loved reading through all your posts (as admiring your pictures). Not only are beautiful but you seem like a really great guy as well. Your partner is a lucky man. Hope to see more of you around.

why can't we do this to ftms?

bump

Would this be too much chest for you?

>>40586256
if we could do this (change height+bone structure) i would seek to become a large muscular man instead of settling for being a small twink

>>40544247 (OP)
bumps

>>40575391
>wrestling, grappling around, then control
>he'll pin me down, then admit that it's turning me on
>usually completely hard at that point so it's fairly obvious
>dirty talk follows
>he will usually involve me a lot here
>"anon what's it like knowing you're my bitch"
>"i want to hear you say it say that you're my bitch"
>sometimes will bend me over his lap
>spank me, have me refer to him as sir and thank him when he does it
>gag me with his boxers, tie me up
>have me kneel down, kiss his shoes, spit on the ground and tell me to lick it up
>mentioned it earlier but wants me to start wearing jockstraps
>said that it's funny seeing me bro around with my friends while wearing it
>that deep down it will be a reminder that he owns my ass
>that he can snap his fingers and I'll suck him off on command
So, yeah, that's where I'm at

>>40584698
Aw thanks dude, glad to hear I’m not attention whoring too annoyingly

>>40592130
god you're lucky

>>40544247 (OP)
bumping so thread doesn't die ):

>>40588430
Not at all! The bigger the better but he's angle frauding hard in this pic.

bump

>>40565412
I wanna forcemasc this pooner