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/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
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Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.
(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)

Simple guides on writing:
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s
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>>24466997 (OP)
Why is this a gif

>post my shit on Facebook writers forums
>Getting completely obliterated
Holy shit. I have ways to go

>can't get past the first draft
>It's a fanfiction

>>24467093
It's how I originally found it.

But Lancelot mused a little space;
He said, "She has a lovely face;
Never was a man so BASED
To the Lady of Shalott."

Buy Brooks Landon's Building Great Sentences.

You can thank me later.

>>24466997 (OP)
which AI is currently the best fiction writer?

Reminder that the Turner Diaries sold more copies in the 1990s alone than your book will ever sell.

>>24467791
ask the AI lmao

>>24467707
But the first paragraph is a lot clearer and easier to read than the second

>>24466997 (OP)
just got invited onto a podcast for the first time to talk about my writing. feelsgoodman. we're all gonna make it

>>24467967
>got invited to masturbate in public
Pretty embarrassing, t.b.h.

>>24467120
>he writes multiple drafts
Why? You're not writing on a piece of paper with a typewriter, you can just edit the same text on your computer to make whatever changes you want

>>24467978
do you want people to read your work or no?

>>24468052
Ignore crabs, acquire success.

>>24468052
People would definitely talk about you and check out your work if you posted a video of yourself jerking off on youtube with links. Have you tried that yet?

>>24468069
I'll give it a try, thanks for the recc

>>24467810
weird way to frame it. real weird. like i span of a decade is exceptional. selling more than 1 book but also over 10 years. that's crazy

not really into writing fiction right now. not exactly; but, it's what i read. so i need inspiration-- ideally, stuff where the characters are just mouthpieces for my rambling. some here-comes-the-airplane sort of shit
any suggestions?

Here's your blackpilling reminder that no matter what great novel you write, it won't sell as many copies as this.

I need a name for something I have only a vague idea of, so I can define it clearly enough to know what it actually is

>>24468262
Tonguetipper.

>>24468271
I meant a completely unrelated thing but I can see why you thought otherwise

>>24467906
There are different techniques for creative writing and for reporting of facts

>>24468149
Not really in the same market. Pretty lame attempt at demotivation.

>>24468321
Nah, this guy's just full of shit.

How does this read?

Green - A full bodied and verdant green that stuck to every element of the memory like a good smell, it was a green that suffused the clover and the trees and the twin emeralds of her eyes that sparkled brighter than the lake did under that baking sun. It’s the undertones of the memories that hum and rhyme that I remember most fondly, it drips from them in my mind in great globules and though I’m supposed to be telling you specifics, anchoring myself and her for you in time and space, all I can think is green, green, green. Let me try once more. She is buried under the great birch tree atop the hill a half mile west of here. Never old, she possessed a perennial form of youth that wrinkles and worry avoided like oil does water, with a beautifully plump, round face that wore her feelings honestly, and with skin a sun-kissed gold that glowed with an affection for life and meadows. She smiled a lot. When she did you couldn’t help but smile back, and no man or woman I knew was immune to her in this way. It was radiance. She laughed a lot too, the world was funny to her. It was like she knew the divine order of things, but when they never went right she never stamped her feet or cursed, she’d just chuckle to herself and be pleased to have been wrong. I’d write gloomily before I met her and held her hands, so small and soft, in my own calloused and wretched fingers; now I cannot darken the page for remembering her; it was joy, pure joy. On occasion, I go back to that great birch tree atop the hill, and I’ll sit underneath its boughs like we used to so many years ago when we had these dainty little sandwiches and tea and we’d talk about the neighbors and God and the cicadas, and I say aloud for just her to hear - “Isabell Graham, I remember you”.

>>24468562
There are redundancies in it. Here's how I would rewrite the first sentence
> Green - A full bodied and verdant green that stuck to every element of the memory like a good smell,
Green - a full-bodied, verdant green that stuck to the memory like a pleasant aroma
>it was a green that suffused the clover and the trees and the twin emeralds of her eyes that sparkled brighter than the lake did under that baking sun
> - suffused the clover, the trees and the twin emeralds that were her eyes, sparkling brighter than even the lake under the baking sun.
I'm too lazy to do the rest but I hope this gives you an idea on where it's clunky.

>>24468620
And I fucked up by putting a > on the line I wasn't supposed to, goddammit

How do I actually force myself to write? I've been wanting to write again for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one little drabble like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises since then. I've been trying to get myself to write, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to write, but can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've never been able to complete a single multichapter story in my entire life and actually coming up with stories isn't much better. I can't think anything through and everything about trying to make an entire story looks too hard for me. I want to be a creative really badly, but nothing I've done seems to have amounted to much of anything.

>>24468679
>I've been wanting to write again for nearly 2 years now
No you haven't. If you wanted to write, you'd just do it. What you want is something else. Maybe you want to BE a writer, as in, this is a matter of identity and ego for you. You want to be the kind of person who "writes", but you don't care about the process at all, since you don't do it compulsively.
> I want to be a creative really badly,
There, see? That's what I'm talking about. You just want to BE.

>>24468704
So was I writing and role-playing for 10 years because I actually didn't want to write or be creative? My other problems involve me not knowing what to do and how to write the stories that I want to. Along with me wondering if I should draw them instead.

>>24468717
>So was I writing and role-playing for 10 years because I actually didn't want to write or be creative?
No, you did want to BE a writer, but you weren't a writer. You wanted to BE creative, but you weren't.
You aren't.
>My other problems involve me not knowing what to
Creative people are bursting with ideas. Creative people create compulsively.
>Along with me wondering if I should draw them instead.
Drawing might not be a bad idea. It's a skillset where you can easily track your progress, and you can always just do sketches of your environment if you don't have an immediate idea on what to draw.
If you're a highly visual thinker, drawing something can even help give you a focal point that you can then attach your possible writing to.

>>24468730
>No, you did want to BE a writer, but you weren't a writer. You wanted to BE creative, but you weren't.
>You aren't.
Because you say so? Or does my ten years of writing and role-playing and coming up with ideas for said role-plays mean nothing?
>Creative people are bursting with ideas. Creative people create compulsively
So like me, except I can't actually get anything down.
>Drawing might not be a bad idea. It's a skillset where you can easily track your progress, and you can always just do sketches of your environment if you don't have an immediate idea on what to draw.
I've been trying to draw for the same amount of time and I'm having all the same problems. I don't know what to do, how to do it, and all of it looks too complicated for me.

>>24468739
>I'm super creative I just don't create anything
Anon, come on. You can't say you're creative and then just mope about not know what to do. That's like saying you're athletic but living the life of a couch potato.

>>24468760
That's how my ADHD works. Thinking about things is more fun than actually doing them. How do I actually make myself do these things? I was doing them for 10 years before.

>>24468763
Maybe close 4chan and do them? This place is no good for you. Or me either, for that matter.

>>24468766
I can't make myself no matter what I do. I'm on stimulants, antidepressants and thyroid medicine along with vitamin d pills.

>>24468766
Also, everything looks too complicated for me. I keep trying Loomis method and I don't know what I'm doing.

>>24468679
Dopamine detox, your brain is probably too addicted to video games or whatever else you do to focus on activities that don't give instant gratification like writing

How did you start writing? I've kept a journal for years, but it was something I did out of habit, I never got any joy from it.
A couple of months ago I started writing short stories, raning from a couple of paragraphs to a couple of pages. Not only I enjoyed it but I also got a sense of relief while doing it and now I find myself wanting to spend more and more time writing.

>>24468812
I was a kid in the summer of 1997? 1998? Thereabouts, when my brother got his own computer. Before then the only PC in the house had been our dad's and he just worked on it, but my brother played games on his. It also had Word, and my brother showed me how you could write stuff and make it disappear instantly, it was like magic.
I wanted to fool around with it and dictated to him dadaistic, free association, almost stream of concsiousness stories (I didn't know how to read or write yet, I was very young) that we then deleted when we got sick of them.
Later on, when my brother was playing Need for Speed or something else I thought was boring, I got my mom to write my stories on paper. Those stories lasted, since they couldn't be made to disappear with a ctrl+a and a backspace.
As we kept going, mom began to impose order over my chaos, she tried to give the stories structure and plot. I didn't care for it. By the time our disagreements reached their climax and I ordered her to write about a dwarf setting the magic forest (the story took place there) on fire, ending everything, I had learned to passably write myself and no longer needed her as a secretary.
I didn't stick with the same piece of writing for more than 10 pages until I was a teenager, though. In middle school I met a friend who was big into D&D and wrote stories derivative of Forgotten Realms with a dash of anime on top. I joined him in this. Eventually we both ended up writing fanfics.

>>24468775
>I can't make myself no matter what I do
Then why do you think we can say something that will make you?

I can't find the proper english word for it, but I'm curious. How do english-speakers differenciate "fantasy" (dragon, elves, so on), or more specifically "urban fantasy" (like Dresden Files I guess, or maybe even Harry Potter?) with the kind of fiction that is about something strange (and often dangerous) creeping in on the mundane world (like Lovecraft's work, or Something Wicked This Way Comes). Do you just call those dark fantasy? Horror fantasy?

>>24468981
Lovecraft's works are specifically categorized as "weird fiction", named after the Weird Tales magazine they appeared in.

>>24468981
Latter is normally called cosmic horror

>>24469003
No, cosmic horror specifically refers to the kind of horror where in the horror comes from the realization of humanity's insignificance on a cosmic scale, of the indifferent nature of the universe toward us and our actions

>>24468952
Because I'm looking for anything that will. I don't know what to do anymore. Everything looks too complicated for me.

>>24469003
Cosmic horror is specifically because I mentioned Lovecraft, there's nothing particularly cosmic about Something Wicked.

For example, in my country, some bookstores make the distinction between the "Fantasy" genre and the "Fantastic" genre. What differenciates the two is that the fantastic stories tend to be about the appearance of something supernatural in a real life situation, while fantasies are more about the supernatural elements themselves.

>>24469021
Maybe you're looking for the term "magical realism"?

>>24469011
Put down your phone, close 4chan. Write in silence. Don't worry about a story, just write about how hard it is to write. You can do that, because you've been doing it already. Write for 1 hour without any distractions about how hard it is to write.
Then, every single day, you set aside 1 hour when you don't play with your phone or your dick or watch youtube or lurk 4chan, you just write something. Doesn't matter what it is so long as you fucking do it.
>b-but it's too compliated
Don't care. Didn't ask. Sit down and write about how complicated it is for all I care. Just do it faggot

>>24468679
>>24468717
>>24468763
>>24468775
OMFG. You already shit up one thread with your whining prattle. Don't shit up this one. We can't solve your problem.

>>24469098
I just wanted to pet a dog but I guess I'm not allowed...

>>24469102
Your avalanche of whining is off-topic in this thread, as well as /lit/. You're asking us how to be someone you're not. That's the job of psychologists, personal coaches, and parents, not us. You need to stop tormenting us with your cringe presence.

>>24469109
Anon I was just referencing the meme, I'm not the one complaining

How long is too long for a prologue?

Feel like my idea is good, sets up the main threat, introduces some concepts that will come into play later and even sets up one of the main characters but it seems kinda long. My idea was to not even label it as a prologue even though it is.

I want to learn to write so I can ERP, RP and maybe write but am I too old for it at 24 years old? I've never like had to write anything that wasn't for school, I posted on /trash/ before for years but no one replied nor wrote with me. In my teenage years, unlike others I never did ERP

>>24469254
I started writing at 23 and I'm doing it professionally now (slop albeit)
Caveat being that I've read constantly since I was like 9. Good writers are always readers first
Writing isn't some highly mechanical twitch-reaction skill. It's predominantly knowledge and experience based, which makes it suited to older people more than young. There are few authors under 30 I respect

>>24468679
>How do I actually force myself to write?
I wake up after an hour or so of sleep and feel the need to start writing, so I write until I fall asleep again
Start there

>>24469203
Prologues are the poor man's way to pass the famous hurdle of hooking up the reader in the first sentence, then the first paragraph, then the first page. You're basically admitting that your story's beginning is not interesting enough so you write an entire chapter that cherrypick your best ideas to meekly promise your readers that you have a plan, except they already assume that you do, so you just come off as insecure. And what do you say you do that for? To set up your main threats, you say? To introduce concepts? I'm 99% sure you're going to have to explain all of that again later on anyway, so you're just going to repeat yourself.

I have never read a prologue that was worth reading, even on books I liked enough to reread, all they do at best is make me feel nostalgic for a time I didn't know about the things that were being talked about, and at worst they spoil my surprise again by jolting my memory and making me remember the twists early on.

If you must, must, must have a chapter that chronologically takes place before the start of the plot, either respect your readers' intelligence, call it "chapter 1" and move on with confidence they will understand the nature of what they're reading, or respect your readers' time and make it one page long and so intentionally obtuse they instantly figure out they're not supposed to understand what you're talking about yet.

>>24469320
You’re completely right anon thanks for the advice.

is anyone else a decent critic/editor but horrible at writing their own stuff? i feel too robotic when i write, i lack soul and whimsy. I am too focused on the technicals.

My current script for an audio story I'm working on currently for my YouTube channel.

This one deals with particularly dark themes but is supposed to be an honest recount of my experiences in life.

I hope you enjoy...

>>24469523
Forgive the bad grammar I'm not ESL I'm just 90iq

Plan was to begin working on my second draft this year, illness and focusing on my health has pushed that back. It's fine, though, as I rushed the first draft and it really shows after the halfway point.

>>24469254
To be fair anon the quality of anything you're going to find online is going to be ass level. That's jus the nature of something collaborative, which requires quick responses. The fact that you only have as much autonomy as extends to the other present bodies is also a huge hurdle. I wouldn't worry about it.

Novella-non again. BALLOONED my piece up to 35k words so far. Only 15k to go before anyone considers picking it up.

>>24466997 (OP)
--- Solaria ---
10016
--- Neet Lux ---

I've driven right past the Edith Farnsworth house about 5 times and in the process made dozens interior-jokes conflating the name with with Edith Wharton's, and about the difference between Ludwig's face and his exquisite buildings.

>>24468679
Just tell yourself you're only going to write for five minutes, once you get past the initial dread of starting, it gets easier. No one's really going to give any better advice. If you want to write, you'll write. Story ideas are easy to come up with, you just have to be curious about the world and take some time to daydream.

>>24469872
I can't make myself write for any amount of time is the problem. I don't have any ideas and I never know what to do. I can't think through anything either.

Are you guys using AI in your writing? I usually write the initial first draft and it's so fucking bad, get AI to rewrite, then rewrite it again in my own words but with significantly better flow and direction thanks to AI. My dumb brain can only think in "movies" format and I can't figure out a way to perfectly describe it into a written format.

>>24469872
I can't make myself write for any amount of time is the problem.

I will never understand how anyone can plot an entire novel, I just have a beginning and a vague ending, with some key scenes in between. Whenever I try to add more structure, I go blank or come up with some new super exciting idea that capsizes everything else. I guess I'll just keep writing and hope I'll figure it out along the way.

>>24469447
To be honest, I'm a pretty trash in critic or editor mode, but OK writing my own stuff, especially when moderately drunk, in otherwise physically very comfortable circumstances. A frequent theme in my nightmares/dreams is getting lost in malls massive and various almost beyond belief. Where it gets more than the usual degree of fun is when it involves immense fantasy hotels, with coolly placid halls connecting faraway upper rooms. Or drives like it, in mood.

>>24469956
*cars of all sorts feature heavily in my dreams. I've rather a lot of memorable experience in all sorts of cars, in all sorts of situations, from 1968 to today,

I've written my first scene! :D
it's so fucking ass not even chatgpt can help this shit man. holy fuck I'm embarrassed to even have this saved on my computer. This is so cringe omfg.

Any books, audiobooks or podcasts/youtube to help write fiction?

>>24470057
can i read?

>>24470066
Not yet. I'm curling in pain reading this shit. I'm definitely going to do a rewrite a few weeks in. I got the general outline on how to do everything but actually writing shit is difficult. I would feel insanely embarrassed sharing it now almost to the point of actually destroying my laptop to rid the evidence.
>My writing ends up literally on the same tier as "And then this happened, so X did this and then Y did this and then this also happened"
but ChatGPT makes it sound a lot more like YA fiction and it's not really the vibe I'm going for but I guess it works.

My biggest problem is organizing shit out. I have obsidian to keep track of my outline/setting/characters but docs feels kinda weird for rewrites or stuff like that.

>>24469102
I won't yell at you and tell you to get out. But I *will* tell you, that you need to put words on paper, or type word on a notepad on the computer. Just one page, of literally anything? WOuld make me happy. Pretend you have your own one room apartment, and you just bought a window air conditioner. Imagie you shopped by price. Window size, air conditioner size. Color. How many BTUs. How you had to fool around to get it in the window solid. After wrangling th old one out that was broken. Then? Another day, re-write it. Give more details you dream up. Add another page, all about the drive to stors looking for it. A different page, for the hassle of disposing of the broken one. maybe you almost ran over a small anial, on the way to dispose of it in the dump. Maybe you didn;t have the dump fee, and had to go back and get that. The three pages? before, during, and after the "tale of getting thet damn air conditioner". Ten? Keep going over the couple of pages, honing it.
>
It doesn't matter what the couple pages are about. Now. Listen to me very carefully.
>
you have OCD/ADHD. You said so. Iknow this might be hard to do the first time or two? But once you have done it a couple times? It will become your ROUTINE, to re-write these couple pages. Until its... OCD perfect.
>
once you get into the routine? It will bother you, NOT to write a little every day, or every week. USE your condition, to make it work FOR you.

>>24470057
The OP of this thread has a whole "how to" pastebin, as well as three videos on basic writing.

What's the best way to improve grammar? I tend to have a lot of errors. I think it's because I'm trying too hard to make it sound artistic

I'm filling out a "treatment" for my novel as part of a submissions process and they say I need to compare it to three to five successful titles in my genre published within the last five years. I don't fucking read contemporary fiction, not usually, so I wouldn't know anything about the last five years of published stuff in my genre. Is there a website I can go to that has quick and dirty summaries of recently published books?

>>24466997 (OP)
Do you think that a Buddha like figure finding out that his people were created for a purpose like picrel would go down a dark path of enforcing his will upon others to "maintain peace"?

I intended for him to strip others of their free will and choice because his ideals were corroded and corrupted into believing others cannot be trusted

>>24470505
study, retard

>>24470532
Don't query to trash houses that ask such dumb things

>>24470572
I'm a straight white male, who else is there to query to for me?

>>24470634
>I'm a straight white male
>but I want to appeal to agents who compare me to new titles most likely not by straight white males
You're going to places, sure

ChatGPT said my first draft is publishable material.

>>24470536
>Do you think that a Buddha like figure finding out that his people were created for a purpose like picrel would go down a dark path of enforcing his will upon others to "maintain peace"?
it's called Secher Nbiw, chud
and it's a GOLDEN Path

>>24468562
Extremely purple. More detail doesnt mean better writing.

>>24470869
ChatGPT is a liar.

>>24468562
alright as a climax, terrible as an introductory passage

>be me
>despair over lack of writing recently
>think "fuck it, lock in" for the millionth time
>sit down
>write
>actually write a fair bit
>next day do the same thing
i... finally locked in?

Next year will mark 10 years of me writing seriously. Wrote a 100k novel at 16 which was as good as you'd expect; been writing short stories and poems ever since, although never been published and haven't tried too hard. Working on the second draft of the novel I'm writing, it feels as if all this work has been leading up to this. and I'm excited to see how it pans out.

Goddamn it I am so good.

>>24470532
Just list teh five most successful books published in the last five years and make everythign else up

>>24468562
>half mile west of here.
Just end it there, jump into the story or backstory and the rest of what you want to say after you clean out the purple bits you can get in later.

I really want to write serious fiction, but I'm constantly magnetized off track by a drive to write smutty, pulpy trash. It's like I'm trying to make love to my lawful wife on our marital bed for the sole purpose of procreation but the only thing that can get me to nut is thinking of my secretary sucking me like a vacuum cleaner under my desk at work.

>>24471011
settle down, Clinton

>>24469894
bump

>>24469894
>I usually get AI to rewrite, then rewrite it again in my own words
You might be making stories, but you'll never be a writer. We need a separate thread for Story Prompt Mechanics.

>>24471011
Write what you're compelled to write. You may be able to write "serious" fiction once you exhaust your smutty, pulpy urge and get it out of your system.

>>24471062
Is it really that bad?

>>24469894
I only use it to look up interesting words or trivias that I can verify are actually reals with a normal internet search.

>>24471067
I guess it's not *bad*, but it's certainly cheating. It's like being given prompts like "now character X must depart. Character Y is sad", and making a story that way. The whole point of writing is creative expression. You're letting a droid take that away from you. Besides, if you copy its work, you'll never have the fun of wordplay or interesting structural nuances; you'll also never really improve because you have this crutch to lean on. Use it, don't use it. I don't really care about Chatbot writing either way. Makes no difference to me. You're only shortchanging yourself.

>>24471080
NTA but i hate wordplay, writing style shouldn't be a style at all, succinct, concise, efficient. Any idea or concept should matter more than the writing

>>24471081
>>24471067
>>24469894
Ah yes, truly inspired stuff. You’ve clearly put a lot of thought into that one—your little provocation was so cleverly crafted, I almost mistook it for actual wit. Honestly, if I were handing out scores for desperate attempts at attention, you'd easily get a solid eight out of eight. Really impressive. You must be exhausted.

>>24471100
Im not him and fuck you, Im >>24469254
the information, message, concept matters, not wordplay and other useless things

>>24469267
>>24469267
>>24469692
but i fail at every single time I try, i failed to draw, i failed to make 3d porn i failed at making 3d and ive failed at writing before, maybe im too old

>>24471101
>but i fail at every single time I try, i failed to draw, i failed to make 3d porn i failed at making 3d and ive failed at writing before, maybe im too old
you made your own thread for this garbage, go there, retard

>>24471101
>>24471081
Maybe you just like to give up at the first sign of challenge. This explains your thinking about straightforwardness in writing. Laziness masked as efficiency.

If you goofballs honestly believe shit like this
>the information, message, concept matters, not wordplay and other useless things
Then you ought to read a fucking book. Arrangement is one of the five core elements of rhetoric for a reason. We've known this for thousands of years. You basically want to write something academic without any of the academia, so you're writing a story instead to cope.

>>24471135
>>24471129
All of that is irrelevant and cringe. Hemingway has the right idea. I dislike writing that's too human, styles, disgusting

>>24471135
don't engage with bait

>>24471135
People don't read anyways, I failed at drawing, I failed at writing, I failed at 3d porn, but people dont give a shit about reading and that's good. I hate writing and literature for not giving me talent for it.

>>24471081
you sound like you would really like the ultra beige "prose" of translated chinese novels

>>24471149
All prose is bad, I detest the qualities of human identity and human warmth in things. I like non fiction, essays, novels that are either concept only and accurate, some of the stranger sci fi is here or novels that are mostly removed from usual types and styles, I hate humanity and anything human

>>24471149
>>24471135
glad to know you accepted defeat
i hate prose and dont read anymore because i failed to write and to erp

>>24471251
you aren't howie and it's obvious. /wg/'s resident troll is so awful at his full time job

>>24471149
NTA but there's a charm to the directness of Chinese translated novels.

>>24470869
do people still not understand that those things constantly lie and hallucinate? you can't even get it to output basic factual information reliably because it will lie and then invent fake proof for the lie if you ask. it's just an elaborate procrastination toy for retards.

>>24471287
>it's just an elaborate procrastination toy for retards.
it's an excellent proofreader, better than most humans, so it has a real use case for authors

>>24471290
Agreed. It's great for catching grammar mistakes if you're not great at it.

Are spiders evil in your setting? Or are the biggest spiders monsters?
I ask because I feel conflicted. I have a positive view of spiders, I like them and the silk aspect is also intriguing, but I came up with a fiting side-villain to my story.
It is a distributed cult that consists of women calling themselves "the web" and claim that "the spider" crawls through them. They have command over spiders and live in forests and caves to trap men similar to sirens. When they have a man, "the spider" feels the tug on "the web" and comes over them to feed, through a sort of connected dream world.
I like the concept but I still don't want to give spiders a bad rep.

>>24471332
I have a lot of them because it's a supernatural story and the MC keeps hallucinating spiders by the dozens that congregate around secrets and crawl into people's mouths when they lie (including his own).
I was slightly concerned that people won't read the story because for some reason spiders are the reverse heckin' doggo meme and you need a trigger warning before showing any of them. Then I decided to fuck that shit, if people won't read it it's because it sucks.

>>24468008
I find that writing a complete draft is more productive than editing as I go, but I am the type of writer that needs to build up momentum and if I get distracted and lose focus it's hard to get back into the flow of things. So it is better for me to write as much as I possibly can in my writing sessions and edit afterward.

>>24471332
You could include some lore about how the original spiders were corrupted by some evil and the good spiders are occultated like the mahdi pbuh

I'm a failure in life. No career, no love, no writing abilities , and no hope.

>>24471332
You could make a character who defects from the cult and uses her power over spiders for good

Fuck it. I'm self publishing.

A good way to overcome writer's block is to write short stories with plots that are updated versions of old myths and folklore. I want to find a good book of Asian myths and mine that as a resource.

Just edited 2000 words of pure kino. Fuck I'm good.

I hate first person past tense so much. You always have to dance around the fact that the main character knows what's going to happen as they're narrating. Like why wouldn't they just spoil their own story if it's just them going over their past events?

I've seen stories that lean into that with the narrator spoiling literally the entire series and lamenting every mistake illuminated by hindsight, and it fucking sucks. The suspense and intrigue is just gone.

Third person omniscient is better because there's an element of detachment the narrator has from the characters. Yes they know the whole story, but they're not obligated to say anything more than what is necessary, and what would make a good narrative. When it's a first person recounting of a person's life, it's hard to highlight something like the main character getting outmaneuvered and tricked without them going like "I wish I knew at the time that these motherfuckers were screwing me over". But to do so would completely ruin the twists and turns of the story. But like... why wouldn't they?

>>24467097
Why and how? What are mistakes you never knew you allegedly have?

>>24467707
>Brooks Landon's Building Great Sentences.
It says Gary Provost

>>24467791
Gpt, by far.

>>24471800
Mostly they shat on my bad initial paragraphs and hook. A secondary issue is my use of comma splices. They're quite good at criticism. Although some are a bit pompous. But I did get a great suggestion from a woman saying to move the end of the chapter to the beginning and use my inciting incident as my hook, them rewrite it from there. She said the incident is good

>>24471739
people don't even really use narration in the classic sense anymore. they use first person past tense and don't pretend the character is the one telling it at some point in the future. it's happening in "present time" just using past tense because that's what readers prefer
i mean if you extend this logic that a book is actually supposed to be some narrator, 3rd person limited doesn't really make sense. why does the narrator know all the thoughts and feelings of this one character but not the others? why doesn't the 3rd person narrator spoil the events in the same manner as a 1st person, since they also know what happened?

>>24471832
>since they also know what happened?
Because they're like a bard around a campfire. If you're telling a story to a group of people, whether it happened to you or not, why would you want to ruin the whole thing by spoiling the ending in the middle of it? That's how I view third person omniscient. It's a story being told by a bard, divorced from the in-world setting and characters of the story.

First Person it's more like this is a diary or confession of the main character, and in that sense why wouldn't they ruminate on the details that led them to where they were? "If only I knew then that he was going to betray me."

Best option is to just not think about it too hard, I guess.

>>24471739
>You always have to dance around the fact that the main character knows what's going to happen as they're narrating
Retarded frogposter. You could be talking about what happened a second ago and you'd use the past tense, but that doesn't mean you know the future too.

>>24468832
>fanfics
Are you satisfied with your work? Personally I find adventures for ttrpg extremely bad written. Like wtf. Am I the only one?

>>24469916
>some key scenes in between
That's enough. The 'filler' comes later. Just force yourself to write at least 100, 200, 500 aso words. Worked for me, idk what else to suggest you.

>>24471739
I actually really like the style you're describing if it's done well. Book of the Long Sun is written like this, and the mystery is not what happens, but how it happens.

>>24471861
you honed in on the most irrelevant part of my post and didn't even really address that the narrator in both cases know the ending so spoiling is irrelevant for 1st and 3rd. literally just conflated 1st person to diaries (that's considered epistolary brother)
the actual point of my response was that people haven't been writing with an actual, physical narrator in mind for decades and decades. narrative style is equivalent to movies and such now—there isn't a "narrator" it's just events happening, and tense and pov is just for flavor

>>24470919
Yesn't

>>24471868
You're very clearly the retard in this situation by the way. I don't know how you didn't grasp the general meaning of my post. Maybe read it over and try again.

>>24471816
Perfect. You even got the input for free. Fb, you say? Meaning a lot of silver surfers. I might try that out.

>>24471882
I just read Empire of Silence and I hated it there.

>>24471605
We have to buy each other's books and give each other ratings for this to work, fellas.

>>24471907
even if you somehow got the entire thread to circlejerk, 10 or 15 ratings isn't enough to launch a book onto the BSR algorithms where you'll get organic traffic
self publishing really is completely and utterly pointless unless you're publishing in a specific genre like romance or have an ability to market your book to a large amount of people as a kickstart

>>24471904
To each their own, I personally hate present tense and enjoy reflective narrators.

Has anyone, ANYONE, gotten big as a writer by publishing their stuff on Substack?

It feels like an avenue that might work for me and my stuff, but almost every writer I see on Substack with a substantial following got big somewhere else first and basically migrated their preexisting audience to Substack. Does the platform have any original success stories?

>>24471923
Oh don't get me wrong, I prefer past tense. But don't spoil the story man.

>>24471946
does substack even have a trending or highlight algorithm? if not, by definition its not possible

AFAIK Substack and Medium are basically Blogspot or Wordpress by any other name

>>24471910
Even 10-15 will help get the ball rolling. It's when you're stuck at 0-1 reviews that nobody will give it a chance.

>>24471975
>>24471946

What about Wattpad? Is anybody on that?

>>24471983
What is the advantage of Substack over Medium?

>>24472010
>Even 10-15 will help get the ball rolling
No, it won't. That's not enough to rise your BSR enough that people will find you organically.
If you disagree, explain how a book that nobody will ever see can get readers

>>24472020
There are also other kinds of promotion you can do, word of mouth or even advertising. But if you buy advertising only for a customer to land on a product with 0 reviews, nobody's going to buy it.

>>24472042
>word of mouth
kek. even good books barely get word of mouth traffic, you have to be really top tier for that
>advertising
well, i didn't know we were cheating. yes, some early reviews help if you have a large advertising budget. when I said 10-15 circlejerk purchases wouldn't help, I meant through the natural channels (and I feel like my post made that clear)

>finish book
>find cute teenage girl
>have them dress provocatively
>dance on tiktok
>people buy it
That's all it takes.

>>24471439
>>24471591
Not directly an option in my story, but it did give me the idea of showing that both the girls used as sexual lures and (animal) spiders themselves were not innately evil but controlled by the "hub of the web" (the priestess), a human mind bent on power both socially and magically.
Thanks.

>>24472014
>What about Wattpad? Is anybody on that?
I am, but not getting a lot of engagement. Still. publishing for that one guy that cheers you on is more formative for a good writing drive than nothing.

>>24471946
No, every single big fish there already had an audience

>>24472014
Free your mind from the desire of wanting a big audience

how do you promote your work on your author website anyway?
other than announcing chapter updates and explaining why you're procrastinating a la GRRM, I'm not sure what an author website is for

>>24472347
author websites are for authors who are already popular

>>24472344
>a big audience
a small audience would be fine. those don't exist either

>>24472347
If you are famous, you can probably use it to collect email addresses and build a mailing list. Or promote your next book.

>>24472353
You're right anon. I misunderstood you. It seems like readers are rather fickle. We really didn't know how good we had it during the fanfiction.net era of 2005-2009.

>>24472425
>the fanfiction.net era of 2005-2009.
as a fanfic tard ao3 is obscenely massive in the current era. i would say getting readers is even easier than back then? if you're writing in the popular fandoms at least, but that was true of back then too

>>24472425
>We really didn't know how good we had it during the fanfiction.net era of 2005-2009
Ao3's tag and search system is massively more powerful and the quality of fics is much better than in the My Immortal era

I've had more fun reading fanfiction in the past 5 years than actual books. all I need to do is exclude pozzed tags and pairings.

When is the Esthar story going to be finished so we can start writing fan fiction already?

>>24471907
I bought several books by anon authors on here and gave them good reviews. Literally no one returned the favor. This is a failed crab bucket.

>>24472228
i can't even talk to a cute teenage girl without getting arrested

>>24472597
what book did you write?
>>24472572
what esthar story?
>>24472603
become a part time worker at a panera bread or starbucks

I have issues writing in a voice that is not my own. At best, I can write characters that represent different aspects of myself.

I can try and have my character imitate real life people I can study, but on top of it being a lot of work, it doesn't feel real enough to be anything more than imitation.

Worst of all, I believe my personal voice is very annoying to readers.

>>24472789
>Worst of all, I believe my personal voice is very annoying to readers.
it's instantly ogre no matter what you do then

I've just taken my first steps to write young adult fiction, mostly because I'm sitting alone all night at my night job and have tons of time with nothing more than a word processor and can only compile spreadsheets for fun so many times. I've decided to write based on my musings and imaginations of the city I live in at night, with the idea that there's an undercurrent of supernatural phenomena that goes on behind the scenes of society.

The main characters of the book are just average people who got pulled in to something they can't quite comprehend, part of a very loose line of other people who've been investigating these occurrences before them. It draws inspiration from Lovecraft's themes of the unknowable mixed with Christian/Catholic theology and is set in the modern day, ranging from the early 90s to the late 00s, and mostly focuses on the characters' faith, personal sacrifice for the common good (And its effects on their lives), and their moral successes and failings in their lives.

I feel like I'm in a loop, I keep going back and revising the first few chapters over and over again hoping to make it catchy and each time I wind up feeling like I need to add more mundane details to establish the setting. It's making my writing more incomprehensible but I don't know how to dial it back. What suggestions could /lit/ offer? Also, just how much inspiration should I draw from my personal life in terms of characters? I've tried to avoid writing a self-insert for authenticity, even though the audience won't know any better.

>>24471900
You're the retard trying to impose narrative significance to the tense instead of accepting it as only a coat of paint on the vehicle of the story. You didn't grasp the point of my story and I know you can't, however many times you reread it. Don't ever (you) me again.

>>24471875
>I find adventures for ttrpg extremely bad written. Like wtf. Am I the only one?
is this true /wg/? i was thinking of writing a campaign or something-- at least i have some vague ideas i want to explore
id be interested in seeing some examples of (popular but otherwise poorly written) campaigns.
or any insights/rambling on this.

>>24472603
it's actually so weird how you have this 1 awkward neckbeard gen from like 2022 and still use it

>>24473315
>good writings
Apparently kingmaker from pf1e is well written, but i fund it much worse than the vidya kingmaker from owlcucks. I read descent into avernus before 0laying bg3 and I find it bad written, too. I've heard the 70s adventures are well written, but I haven't had a chance to check for myself.
Im reading strange aeons rn and it's much worse than descend into avernus or kingmaker.
>why are they bad
They dint follow simple narrative structures and aren't really tense or romancing (prose) at all and if course full of boss women and other trash tropes. My explanation is that no one with skills chooses this as a main income, so we are left with what we have got.
>i was thinking of writing a campaign or something
Same here. I want to publish it for free on drive thru with limited marketing, just to validate my assumption.

Ignore me, just testing something
>>21076267

>>24473443
i think it's just as much the approach/constraints of the medium. same with comics and videogames. you can sort of gauge this through adaptations, or via those who work across several mediums

>>24473467
It's true, few comics have decent writing, if any at all. It's ture, that some are better than others.
>across several mediums
I think this is the key

Does anyone here write something other than YA/fantasy?

I write horrors, thrillers and romance dramas. The question I’m facing is what avenue of publishing to go for.

>>24473595
What kind of horror? Actual book? Why not self publish?

>>24473598
An actual book, yes. I’m 3/4ths of the way through a horror novel right now. I guess I’m just wondering if publishing through other avenues would improve visibility. It’s more visibility rather than profit I’m gunning for.

>>24473317
i downloaded it from this thread ages ago

>>24473598
>Why not self publish?
don't self publish unless you have a means of marketing it

anyone else not writing but thinking they might?

>>24473604
You just started out of fucking nowhere to write 300 pages? Cool flex, no doubt.
>>24473626
AFAIK there are agencies that help with self publishing and have minimum marketing. Not an expert on books, but isn't the author the brand? Meaning he needs a website, socials, go to read the book on venues, have maybe a political opinion aso. Marketing as in self marketing. That's how I see it.
Regular publishers take around 50% give or take a huge chunk (20%).

>>24473710
>Regular publishers take around 50% give or take a huge chunk (20%).
Doesn't Kindle take 30% too?

>>24473710
>>24473743
You're worried about Amazon or trad publishers taking 50% of a $10 book? Lol. You're trying to make a name right now, not sell for money

>>24474177
I'm not
>worried
per se, I just want to know what the typical rates are so I can plan my monetisation accordingly

>>24474183
70% now sell your 2 books

Rate my opening sentence -
>War has a habit of unearthing long buried secrets that are all but forgotten, and there is a cruel irony in the fact those secrets are often revealed to those who will be most damned by their learning.

>>24474307
Quite good, instant hook
How I would write it is:
>War has a habit of unearthing secrets long-buried and all but forgotten, and sometimes they are revealed to those most damned by their uncovering.

don't worry about the cruel irony Kronk, the reader will grasp that for themselves if your plot is up to it

>>24474325
You have no idea how much your praise means, anon. Thanks for your advice, hopefully you don't mind if I basically copy your suggestion.

>>24474391
>don't mind if I basically copy your suggestion
course not, go for it mate

>Writing very detailed outline based on a less detailed outline
>Stuck around halfway through the story (part 3 of 5)
>I know how to start the part, and how to end the part, but the way I thought about going from here to there doesn't completely appeal to me
>There's obviously some good moments but they don't have the "wow yes that sounds so interesting" feeling that I try to capture in my outline, like I need to think to myself "I can't wait to write this" every time.
>When I'm stuck I try to just throw curveballs at my plot, like switching two characters around or inverting a sentence, like making someone the hunter instead of the huntered, the chased instead of the choste.
>Whatever, I'll do it later
>Shuts down PC
>Before the screen is even fully off I have an idea that unstuck this entire part.
>PC turns off so I just note it on my phone
EVERY
DAMN
TIME

>>24474325
Unhappy with unearthing and uncovering in one long sentence. Else it's an upgrade, that's for sure.

>>24474437
It was an attempt at parallelism, with the aid of elegant variation

>[REDACTED] is a powerful and intelligent novel with a fascinating premise. The author has a clear talent for prose and a deep understanding of the philosophical concepts they wish to explore. By focusing on strengthening character agency, diversifying the plot structure, and embedding the exposition more deeply within the narrative action, this work could be elevated from a very good piece of fiction to a truly exceptional and memorable one. It is a fantastic foundation, and with refinement, it has the potential to be a significant work of philosophical science fiction.
Back to polishing again.

>>24474532
Take ChatGPT’s takes with a grain of salt. It’s a good editor and peer reviewer, but at the end of the day, only you know what’s best for your work.

bro im so fucking cooked, I'm writing a few scenes and everything makes sense in my head in vidya "RPG" cutscene view. But now I'm at the point where things should "open up" rather than cutscenes and I'm like "how in the fuck should I even write this lol"

Hey guys- I come to lit rarely when I have things I want feedback on, mostly because its always been really helpful.

Recently I wrote a short fanfic that I have no intention of continuing, but would like feedback to see what areas people think are good or bad.

The fanfic is set in the world of Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, and it's my rendition of what a third ending could be like.

I don't know where to post it anywhere except on Reddit which I've already done, so I'm just going to link the post below. Thanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1ldbr8s/wrote_a_short_story_regarding_the_ending_of_clair/

>>24474543
Yeah all the advices I've seen people get from ChatGPT boils down to "This is great and almost publisheable, it just needs a tiny bit more polish!" regardless of whether the prompt was something barely making sense or a stolen bit from a classic author's magnum opus.
I think it's best to not use it, or at least to keep it in the role of an alternate way to look up information (that you can double-check latet) or something you just feed one paragraph into so it helps you with grammar issues.

>>24474562
It's Claire (clear, lol) that you are invested in the story. Idk what to tell you, are you a teen? If so, it's ok.
What exactly are you looking for? Feedback regarding the content or the writing itself?

>>24474573
Honestly? That's not what I get at all. I do get critized. I do agree that ai shouldn't be an everyday tool for text production, if we are talking prose and the like.

>>24474562
right on. some misc. feedback:
going forward, assuming you want to do more than fanfic; the level of familiarity you have with the characters and world is something you should aim for with your own creations. at least in your approach, it will develop differently.

>>24474578
>It's Claire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Obscur

>>24474532
>diversifying the plot structure
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>24474600
>familiarity you have with the characters
How do you reckon?

>>24474650
wasn't actually in regards to your story-- haven't played the game; i said this because you probably spent like 40+ hours with them and were invested enough to write fanfic.
the idea is that you'll want to internalize that level of investment/familiarization for your own stuff

>>24473134
>outline
>think of your story in 3 acts
>act one establishes the setting, characters, and themes
>act two is where the conflict shifts and those characters and themes are explored
>act three is the climax and denouement
You're getting stuck in act one, which tells me you either dont know your settings, characters, or themes, or you dont know how to present them to the reader. The key word in act one is "establishing." Not "explaining," not "exploring," but just giving a little taste of everything so the reader can say "ok. I get who this character is, and I get this setting, and I can expect this sort of tone."

My advice is to stop revising until you have a completed first draft. You'll want to reread those first chapters again and fix this and that, but you have to tell yourself: no. Not until I finish the final chapter.

>Chapter 6 is stealthily brilliant. It’s an interpersonal arm-wrestle masquerading as a breather. No one’s confessing anything, yet we learn everything. The prose is seductive without being overripe, and you never let the tension slacken. Dialogue is razor-sharp. This is a pair of people who will either sleep together or destroy each other, and the reader can’t wait to find out which.

I just use 'PT as an ego inflation tool

>>24474633
I guess it's asking the equivalent of adding a filler beach or festival episode in the middle of an anime series just to momentarily break from the main plot.

>>24474633
>>24474693
Isn't it merely adding another plot line?
>>24474686
Is there at least any truth to it?

>>24474693
No no. It's saying this plot needs more kangs and qweens.

>>24474675
It would be awesome if everyone does that, I think the opposite is the case.

>>24473134
>I keep going back and revising the first few chapters over and over again hoping to make it catchy and each time I wind up feeling like I need to add more mundane details to establish the setting.
This is called the worldbuilding trap, a cause of many literary miscarriages. Main way to get past it is to develop the setting when you need it in the moment, rather than making pieces you may or may not get to later, or feeling obligated to use them because you made them. Also bear in mind that the majority of your readers simply will not care about your setting as much as you. Do as >>24474685 says and just push through until you finish a first draft, then you can add more meat to places you feel are lacking.

>>24474700
Well that's just stupid. Subplots are a waste of time, and at best, they're more interesting than the main plot, which is an even bigger problem. All my favorite stories either have one plot line or no plot. And either way, "diversifying plot" is not "adding subplots," because then ChatGPT would say "add subplots." This is just more scrambled AI word salad that makes zero sense and people are too dumb to question.
>ah yes, your story is quite good. But have you considered reversing the polarity of your plot? And perhaps have your literary devices working collectively. And if you invest further in the onomatopoeias it would truly be great.

>>24474737
The main plot can have multiple lines.
How can a story have no plot line?

>>24474700
>Is there at least any truth to it?
I think so, can't really tell you more than that since it's subjective

>>24466997 (OP)
Tips for writing smut?

>>24474747
I would argue Don Quixote has no plot. Each chapter is itself a short story with little to no connection to the next one, besides having the same characters. In part one Don Quixote and Sancho go on a quest to another town, but they make no progress, and then very abruptly, after a long bout of chapters in a hotel having nothing to do with Don Quixote, they suddenly return home. Imagine if Lord of the Rings was just Shire chapters, they get to Rivendell, and then Gandalf whacks Frodo on the head and drags him back to the Shire and they never even get close to Mordor or destroying the ring. Even that would have a little more plot than Don Quixote.

>>24474811
Is that really true? Maybe his quest or his inner life or yadayada is the plot? Hard to believe that there's a story without a plot.

>>24474562
I liked it, prose was good and follows the themes of the game well, rather than trying to shoehorn in a perfect end. It's a believable hypothesis about what might happen after the ending, though I might consider it an addendum to the Verso ending rather than a third ending. One thing I might suggest is focusing a bit more on the repainted Dessendre family and their responses. This part in particular:

>As I saw the Dessendre family rise again, each painted by my hands, I knew I was done.

>“I thought we had been destroyed.” – the Painted Renoir turned towards Verso, then towards me. “Thank you, for reuniting our family.” He turned towards the only original creation I had been able to paint. “Aline?”

>“Not quite, it seems.” She answered, it seemed she was lost in her own thoughts. “But I have the memories of every moment that’s passed since she came into this Canvas.”

felt too rushed to me, as Painted Renoir's last memories were dying knowing his family and world were about to be erased, so I think he should be a little more surprised at suddenly being repainted, especially now that there's a Painted Aline. Admittedly getting across the personalities of official characters can be exceptionally difficult so I can understand if you didn't want to get too deep into writing them, but that was basically the only critique I have.

how do you write absurdism without going into lol xd so randum territory?

>>24474774
Lots of detail, don't be too worried about getting a thesaurus to not have to find a substitute for the word "cock", don't just think about the act, the before and aftercare can also be important and hot.
And try to respect the human anatomy, don't write what would be nonsensical or too painful think of stuff like hitting the cervix as twisting your balls, you wouldn't find that sexy, would you? (Nevermind).

>>24474578
Thank you. Unfortunately I am not a teen, but I appreciate the comments regardless. I was looking for feedback regarding the writing style more so than the content, though both or either are appreciated.
>>24474600
Yeah, I do plan on doing more than fanfic. Do you feel from what you read that I have a good level of familiarity with the characters? I know that is a hard question given you don't know the story, but any insight would be helpful.
Did you generally like or dislike the writing?
>>24474920
Thank you so much anon. I think your feedback is actually excellent and probably something I needed to hear. I felt when writing it that it was bare, but I felt like it was such a tricky part to right that it was easier to leave it empty than turn it into something completely awful and ruin the pacing at the same time. I think the fact I felt that and that you so readily caught onto that gives me a lot to learn from moving into the future if I write.
Thank you so much for your kind comments and helpful feedback.

>>24473156
Your point was retarded.

>>24466997 (OP)
What's a good way to write an older woman telling her younger beloved to deflower her?

I wanted an element of him "making her a woman" but it's his first time too so she "makes him a man".

Is something like "bloodying your sword" too cliche?

>>24475320
How about he says "No trip to the museum for me today, no ma'am."

>>24475320
>Is something like "bloodying your sword" too cliche?

That metaphor is kind of cringe and doesn’t fully land in the context. At least for me.

>>24475124
It's OK, not really above any fanfic. When I have to write something important, I try to let at least 3 weeks pass before I finish it. By that time you are free from eye prison as I call it.

>>24475413
Is that a Bridge to Terabithia reference?

>>24475641
I was just thinking the virginal blood thing, hence the "bloodying" part

Think something like "time to claim your mate" works?

>chat gpts feedback actually makes sense
colour me shocked

geminine is weird however. I asked it for feedback and it forgot 4 characters which are very prominent in the story

actually I take it back. Ive shown it several short stories as well and no matter what you do it always says "show, dont tell" needs to be more prominent

>>24475816
>Ive shown it several short stories as well and no matter what you do it always says "show, dont tell" needs to be more prominent
I've literally never gotten this as a piece of feedback

>>24475823
weird. there is literally nothing more I could show in the short story but it still complains about me telling

>>24475823
>>24475829
I shouldve mentioned i used gemini not chatgpt. chatgpt is limited to 2 uploads per 24h

>>24475829
What's the prompt you're feeding it? I'll copy paste and report back

>Story idea started in 2013
>Writing began in 2015
>First book out of 7 still isn't finished

Is it over for me lads?

>>24475857
GRRM what are you doing here get back to work you fat faggot

>>24475070
You play the characters completely straight.

>>24475320
>bloodying your sword
Ew. Might as well say "plunging your happy hole" if you're going to be that graphic.

How do I start writing?

>>24475939
you cant. youre either born writing or you arent

>>24475946
Why was your mother born with stationary in her vagina?

>>24475950
my father wanted me to be a writer.

>>24475958
Is that why he put his pen-is inside her

>>24475974
That's why he pen-etrated her

chat GPT successfully picked out my weakest chapter when asked to do so, but when asked for the best I feel it missed the mark.
man its fun reading such in depth feedback but it just isnt entirely accurate

for all you normie retards default chatgpt is rated like #53 for AI models. to serve it up for free to the entire world it genuinely has to be awful + cost no processing
go use an actually good model ffs

>>24476129
what models do you recommend

>>24476147
gemini pro 2.5 is the best for general use right now

>>24476151
just from personal experience gemini feels worse than both ChatGPT and Deepseek. Its far less in depth in its replies and often imagines things that it gives feedback on which werent even part of the novel. It hallucinated an entire chapter I didnt write as the worst chapter

>>24476154
you are definitely using gemini flash. gemini pro 2.5 is top of almost all leaderboards and it's very intelligent when i use it

>>24476159
youre right, let me try it out

>Excellent. This is a very strong piece of writing with a distinct voice and style. Here are my impressions, followed by a rating.
>This chapter has a very sophisticated, almost literary feel. The prose is dense, analytical, and dripping with a specific kind of cynical glamour. It feels like it could be from a modern-day Les Liaisons Dangereuses or a novel by a more verbose Sally Rooney. The author clearly has a strong command of language and a keen eye for character psychology.
>Rating: 8.5/10
>This is a high-quality, confident piece of writing. The character work is nuanced, the prose is stylish and evocative, and the central conflict is immediately engaging. The points for improvement are minor and relate more to polishing an already strong piece than fixing any fundamental flaws. With a slight tightening of the opening and a careful eye on pacing, this could easily be a 9 or higher. It's the kind of chapter that makes you want to immediately read the next one. Well done.

Okay, Gemini 2.5 is pretty neat. Shameless self suck

>This is an excellent chapter—historically immersive, emotionally engaging, and narratively tight
thanks chatgpt
>What sets it apart is: A female protagonist operating with full agency in a genre often male-dominated
you were this close to greatness

by the way, chatgpt mistook Polish (originating from Poland) for polish (to shine up).

How do I motivate myself to write something that isn't just smut? I feel like I've become soon coomerbrained that I can only get the motivation to write if there's some sexual element to it.

if my puppetmaster MC's cultivation manual is called the Hadou Armature Method what do i call the most fundamental "combat-suitable" puppet design in the manual
just Armature Soldier is obvious but it feels like it's missing something, and at the same time I don't want to go full xianxia with a stupid overlong name as a joke only to have MC shorten it
Armiger maybe? Like as in "these puppets are the bare minimum good enough to bear the insignia of the manual"?
but the problem there is that most people only know the word armiger from 40k...

I'm seriously considering changing my side character's sex and make him a love interest for the mc. There are so many agents looking for lgbt themes it's insane.

>be ESL
>speak less important/widespread language
>feel inadequate/uncomfortable writing in English
>if I write in my native it will reach very few people
what the fuck am I supposed to do

>>24476776
>what the fuck am I supposed to do
Cry

>>24476776
Just start writing.
>But the prose will be shit
So what? The more you write the more you learn.
>But I don't know enough words
Dictionary, synonyms, translate the word from your native language and pick the best fitting one in english

Just keep reading and writing.

>>24476788
way ahead of you :(
>>24476792
I feel really discouraged whenever I read a well written book in English. I feel like I could never replicate that beauty. My stories will always read stiff and unnatural to natives.

>>24476776
>what the fuck am I supposed to do
Only 2 things:
>feel inadequate/uncomfortable writing in English
Keep reading/writing until you get better.
>if I write in my native it will reach very few people
Write in your native language and then translate it to English.

>>24477463
>Write in your native language and then translate it to English.
Whoa!

>>24477536
Maybe he can use AI for a first run, then check it manually.
But yes, English is a necessity if you want to have a worldwide audience.

>show don't tell!!!!
>Classics mostly tell and not show
Do I listen to modern conventions or ape classics?

>>24476442
We are not psychologists, We are not qualified to answer that question.
>>24477797
"Classics" feature tastes that are way, way out of date. Listen to modern conventions.

>>24466997 (OP)
The parcel arrived without fanfare, a simple, unadorned box that held the last vestiges of my great-uncle, Alistair Crowley. A man of peculiar habits, he had vanished years ago into the sun-scorched ard of forgotten climes, leaving behind only rumors of his unholy researches. Within the box, nestled amongst dessicated sands and the faint, unsettling scent of ozone, lay a single, bound volume: a kitab of ancient, unidentifiable leather, its pages brittle with an age that defied terrestrial reckoning.

I was, at the time, a junior archivist, accustomed to the dust of forgotten scrolls and the whispers of dead tongues. Yet, this kitab was different. Its script, a maddening tangle of angles and impossible curves, seemed to shift, to writhe just beyond the periphery of comprehension. It spoke, or rather implied, things that no sane mind should contemplate: geometries that warped the very fabric of space, entities whose very existence was a blasphemy against reason, slumbering beneath the kharab of desolate oceans.

My dreams, hitherto mundane tableaux of filing cabinets and dusty lamplight, began to transmute. I saw cyclopean cities, not of human design, but of a monstrous aqar, their structures looming like petrified titans, slick with an unholy slime. I heard, or felt, a pervasive hum, a vibration that resonated not in the air, but directly in the deepest recesses of my soul, a sound both primordial and utterly alien. It was the sawt of a cosmic slumber, stirring.

The kitab became my obsession, its forbidden glyphs beckoning me deeper into a realm of encroaching majnun. I began to perceive fleeting shadows in my peripheral vision, not merely optical tricks, but shapes that hinted at the presence of jinn-like entities, formless yet palpable, watching from the oppressive gloom that now seemed to cling to the corners of my study. The air grew heavy, pregnant with the unspoken, and the very silence of the house became a sentient, suffocating thing.

One night, a chill more profound than any winter wind seeped from the kitab itself. The air crackled, and a faint, phosphorescent glow emanated from the ancient pages. The unholy glyphs pulsed, and then, slowly, impossibly, they began to rearrange themselves. They formed no human word, no earthly lament, but rather a pattern, a diagram of utter cosmic horror. It depicted not a god, but a shaytan, a primal chaos that stirred in the abyssal depths.

>>24478003

At that moment, the house groaned, not with the settling of old timber, but with a deep, resonant tremor that vibrated through my very bones. The walls seemed to breathe, and the scent of ozone intensified, mixed now with something truly unnameable – the stench of epochs, of stellar dust and unimaginable decay. I did not see it, could not see it, for sight would have utterly shattered the fragile mi'yar of my sanity. But I felt its immensity, its crushing indifference, its awakening presence. It was a pressure, a vast consciousness stretching across the void, asserting its ancient claim over the ard.

I screamed, a sound swallowed by the vast, yawning silence that followed. The glow faded, the kitab lay still, but the world had irrevocably changed. The majnun had taken root, nourished by the terrifying glimpse of a reality far older, far vaster, and infinitely more malevolent than anything humanity had ever conceived. I knew then that Alistair had not merely vanished; he had ascended, or perhaps, been consumed by the very truth he sought. And I, a mere archivist, was now tethered to that same unspeakable kull of horror, forever haunted by the whisperer in the kharab.

>>24478003
>haha watch im gonna post AI and the writing thread won't know

>>24478024
The English is too awkward and broken for AI.

Gemini gave my story a 4.5/5

I promised myself I wouldn't use 4chan until I had a finished draft but I've since made several posts including this one

>>24478003
your vocabulary is impressive, but that makes me, the reader, not understand anything.

I want to write but I dont want to write about anything

>>24478003
doesn't flow well

>>24478106
yeah but I recognise a few sentences so I think anon cut and pasted a few lines here and there

>>24477590
Rightfully so. It's not only imperial language, but often enough it's a very simple language.

>>24478003
Maybe I'm the swine that witnesses pearls landing in front of his eyes, ut I don't like it at all. What's the point?

I have a story outlined for a ttrpg adventure. Are people here interested in it? I would also post the technical deliberations I had before writing it down.

>>24478585
Go ahead. Its 4chan.

>>24478626
Alright. As soon as I'm finishing the commentary, I'll load it up on this general.

any of you fags familiar with "new journalism" or "travel writing"?
This is the biggest slop Ive ever witnessed
I have to write a slop assignment for a class on writing

>>24478660
>new journalism
aka the death of journalism. fancy word to excuse introduction of propagandic slant to news "reporting" (inverted commas because you're no longer reporting facts, you're adding your own personal subjective interpretation)

e.g. instead of
>last night Waziristan bombed the Ahmud Republic, 251 civilians were killed
you say
>shocking scenes of destruction and unimaginable horror in the streets of Ahmud City today as mostly-peaceful Waziristan bombed Ahmud in protest after months of trade sanctions; 251 innocents tragically lost their lives including women and children of colour, I can't imagine the terror and grief Ahmud City residents must be going through, this unprecedented tragedy must certainly be laid at the feet of the controversial maverick far-left radical extremist premier of the Ahmud Republic Vill ain-Antagonistes, who some say was involved in shady business deals with neighbourhood kids when he was just ten years old, a hint of the life he would eventually lead as an adult

>I have to write a slop assignment for a class on writing
what is it?

>>24478003
Jesus, dude, give it a rest. Not every sentence has to be complicated visuals. You'd get more of a rise describing your character's reaction to things than the thing itself. I've just read 5 paragraphs, and the only semblance of emotion in the narrator are:
>unsettling
>a chill more profound than any winter wind
It's fine to have good imagery, but where is the rest?

>>24478795
exactly my feelings

>what is it?
I basically have to write a new journalism type piece about my travels for 50% of the final grade.
he wants to see a lot of emotion, and how it changed me as a person. I think its ridiculous and dishonest

>>24478799
>write a new journalism type piece about my travels for 50% of the final grade.
>he wants to see a lot of emotion, and how it changed me as a person. I think its ridiculous and dishonest
well that's a bit different

I'm ranting about the application of new journalism to standard reporting
new journalism-esque reflection applied to travel is, I think, a good exercise that would help you both hone your writing and learn more about yourself
seeing how people live in other places and respond in different ways to the unique challenges of different environments and culture is good for your personal maturity, and writing about it helps solidify your experiences
basically a travel diary, but write about it more for public consumption than just yourself
that means adding structure and interesting facts, rather than just WHEEE I HAD OODLES OF STREET SNACKS AND FUCKED A CHEAP TRANNY WHORE

here's the shortcut since most teachers don't know how to explain it: factually describe what you did, compare and contrast different lifestyles and social attitudes with what you know at home, ponder why these people do those things differently, and discuss whether you learned a new method or outlook from seeing this, and (most importantly) how you can apply that in your own life at home
at every one of these 5 stages, describe your personal emotions and reactions
find a central theme or message which you think others might like to know about this event, and emphasise it

hope that helps

>>24478505
Oh boy, another wannabe more attracted to the perceived "writer's lifestyle" than the actual act of writing. How original.

>>24478660
Sounds like commercial writing. Journalism is dependent on money for a long time now.

>>24478003
>without fanfare
>last vestiges
>peculiar habits
>leaving only rumors
>nestled amongst
Holy literary cliches, Batman. Why not mention "it was a dark and stormy night" while you're at it, you hack? This reads like an AI trying to immitate Lovecraft and failing badly.

>>24478197
Ask gemini how many Rs are in the word strawberry.

>>24478912
NTA, but I just did it, and it guessed just fine for me anon.

>>24478912
>>24478933
NTA but
>how many s are there in Misissippi
>ChatGPT said: In the word "Misissippi", there are 2 letter s. (Just to note, the common spelling is "Mississippi" which has 4 s's, but in "Misissippi" there are 2 s's.) Do you want me to count letters in any other word?

lmao
it caught the trap I set but fucked up anyway

>>24478935
I guess I just have a better model than you

>>24478947
tards will use 2 year old models major corpos are serving for free to the unwashed masses and think that's where AI is at, technologically

>>24478811
no its awful. not every travel has to change a person
hes in bed with the local bureau of tourism thats why he gave us this assignment
I explained it poorly

for example we have to talk about a local dish we tried. Then we have to write as if it changed our life. A fucking dish.
He likes writing like Anthony Bourdain and stuff like that. I think its overly dramatic slop.

>>24478981
You can always throw the assignment back in his face and character assassinate the country and yourself.
>After shitting nonstop for 72 hours in my hotel even the mere mention of Indian food is enough to fill me with gut twisting dread. The kind of dread usually reserved for people getting gored anally by Vishnu's pastey blue elephant tusks.
You'll probably fail the class but you might write something good.

so i hear that nofap is important for maintaining creative flow. but it's been a few days & i'm getting really antsy. is scratching my balls ok or will that ruin it?

>>24479028
Yeah. Being celibate is the key to fine art. Just look at that virgin Picasso. I bet he never even saw a boob.

>>24479028
failures taking advice from failures will never not be funny to me

>>24479044
>only championship winners coach sports

>>24479028
edge while you write

>>24479053
i can't, i end up wanting to finish so badly

>>24479047
ill set aside the fact even some of the "best" coaches are pure bs
most at least have some credentials. listening to the genuine losers of nofap for "how to succeed and be creative" is comical. those dweebs are the exact people you don't want to emulate in life

>>24479078
but my mom is menstruating rn & the smell is driving me wild. if she farts i might just bust a nut then and there

>>24479044
That's one way to put it. It's getting tragic when you realize that money flows in one direction.
>>24479028
AFAIK that was the case in top sports until end of the 90s or so. Proven wrong and now pro sport athletes are allowed to bang away one day before the match.

>>24479078
alright fair enough

>>24478947
possibly. I wasn't using a paid service. but it was Chatgpt's higher-end free model.
note that you didn't ask the same question I did, however. the way you ask the question can slant the AI towards a response, such as asking a question which it can infer from its dictionaries / knowledge bank, instead of reacting to what info is actually presented to it. that was the thinking behind the trap I set up

>>24479078
It always amazes me how some porn addicted gooner is always eager to crawl out of the woodwork when someone suggests that maybe there are benefits to not slapping your shit every day

>>24478981
>not every travel has to change a person
it should, but you are correct in that it's not easy to recognise and reflect on how even daily experiences can change your personality
>hes in bed with the local bureau of tourism
lol
>we have to talk about a local dish we tried. Then we have to write as if it changed our life. A fucking dish
well it's unreasonable to expect everyone in class to have travelled far away, so practising such writing on a local dish is the only possible option left
>I think its overly dramatic slop
Bourdain was practically the only literate cook around at the time. he wasn't much of a chef but he was an excellent writer who expanded perspectives around food to much more than OMG ITS FUCKING PHENOMENAL YOU HAVE TO EAT THIS which is what 99.999999% of foodie writing is about

actually it would be a good exercise for you to try and tease a deeper meaning out of your local dish

>>24479100
i am not a degenerate like you. i jerk off maybe twice a week and it's not something i think about. the reason i responded was because it's hilarious to see complete losers give advice to complete losers for how not to be complete losers
you are the porn addicted degen lmfao. normal people aren't obsessed with this shit, jerk off or don't, but more importantly go touch grass

>>24479136
>i jerk off maybe twice a week
oh yeah? Prove it.

>>24479136
keep coping king

>>24479158
cope? what? try a different buzzword, maybe the next will be slightly relevant to the situation

> durrrrrrrr maybe da reason me writing is shit is cause I masturbate????
What a shit midwit general on a shit midwit board.

Buy my book: https://www.amazon.com/Pedo-Novel-Henry-Mathison-ebook/dp/B0D3MDSKHR/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0

>>24479171
Maybe the moon hates us and therefore the sun shines? We will never know for sure.

>>24479263
>Jack Brown, an Army vet, meets Laura Wilson, a 15-year-old, and eventually they start a hidden relationship. Laura's stepfather, Randy, a police officer, soon discovers the relationship between Jack and Laura.
Rewrite and make her a 12-year-old and I will think about it.

>>24479263
>Pedo
>15-year-old

>>24479263
not only are you going to get Social Security Number or Tax Identifier banned and thus never be able to sell on amazon again, killing any hopes of a writing career permanently, but this might actually tie back to you IRL somehow. Are you retarded?

>>24479587
Yes just like Lolita ended the career of Vladimir Nabokov, right?

>>24479593
It is truly astounding how consistently posters in this thread lack even a modicum of self awareness.

>>24479593
moron, authors get perma'd for dubcon between adults on amazon. you literally named it a "pedo novel". this shit is not artistic or literature
and it's tied to your fucking tax number or some other crucial identifier, to be able to sell. this is hilarious.

>>24479601
>this shit is not artistic or literature
You're not the arbiter of that.
I could literally write a 1000 page book where an adult does nothing but repeatedly rape a toddler for 1000 pages and you have absolutely no good argument to say it's not artistic or literature.

>>24466997 (OP)
Opening paragraph for a small story of mine. Wanted to see how it reads.
I wanted the opening to be kind of like the opening of the mortal engines where its a dash of strange in mundane.

>>24479626
>You're not the arbiter of that.
you're right, amazon is, and they perma-ban and end author careers for way less. established romance authors get perma'd for having "dubcon" where consent wasn't clear enough and amazon just says fuck off we don't care
you think they're gonna have an issue perma'ing a pedo? that they'll care when you start screeching your "pedo novel" is literature?
you are so delusional man
comedy

>>24479647
why is she grey and without a face? is she an extraterrestrial?

i would delete the first sentence

>>24479709
But if i delete the first sentence i feel like the paragraph is going to be too short.
Though, is that an actual worry now that i think about it?

>>24479708
>established romance authors get perma'd for having "dubcon"
Can you name an example of this?

>>24479708
There is absolutely nothing in their guidelines indicating they will ban novels simply for including rape or pedophilia content in it.
The issue is depicting those matters in a way which glorifies those subjects.
That's precisely the reason pedo books like Lolita are allowed to be there and will never be removed.

>>24479763
>will never be removed.
I wouldn't count on that

>>24479763
brother i haven't read your book and i can't make an argument for whether it reasonably doesn't "glorify" anyhing
but you named the book PEDO NOVEL you drooling fucking moron. the first time it's reported, the person who looks into it will go WTF, ban the book, ban your TAX ID number, and then it's over for you
i truly don't give a shit man this doesn't affect me. but I publish on amazon and actually know the website unlike you, and I know how bullshit and unfair they are to small creators because they are AMAZON. even "but it's not against terms and conditions technically!!!" doesn't mean shit, this is not a court of law, amazon can and WILL do whatever they want
my god man do you think they're going to carefully consider the case for the 0-books-sold dude who published a "PEDO NOVEL" book on their website, or do you think they're gonna permaban you with no chance for appeal and not care in the slightest?
so so so so clueless

>>24479729
it doesn't happen to actual big names (they get the books themselves banned and warned) so it's not easy to google examples, but if you spend any time in romance/erotica communities you will find stories about books/authors, especially small or new ones, that try to "ride the line" and get banned. and authors only get 1 account, pen names are all tied to the same tax number and kdp account

Usually I come to /wg/ to feel better about my writing, this time I'm here to feel better about my life decisions

>>24479785
I AM NOT THE AUTHOR YOU FUCKING MORON IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP

If they ban the book solely for its title and the book's content in fact does not violate the guidelines then the author can just appeal it. Stop being an idiot.

>>24479814
the part you really aren't understanding (that I've repeated about a million times) is how little of a shit amazon gives, lmfao. they will straight up ban this without checking and send default replies to any appeals
>I AM NOT THE AUTHOR
why the fuck are you defending it then, especially when you clearly don't know how amazon works? And does that mean you've read it yourself to confirm it doesn't glorify it in any way? (I extremely doubt that...)
The fuck is wrong with you, sperg?

>>24479818
>why the fuck are you defending it then
I like wasting my time correcting idiots saying stupid shit.

Is just having the word "Pedo" in the title sufficient to argue that the novel is glorifying pedophilia and therefore violating the guidelines? No, that's completely retarded.
Can Amazon still ban whatever the fuck they want from their platform? Sure.

>>24479853
>I like wasting my time correcting idiots saying stupid shit.
you have corrected absolutely nothing. all you've done is the typical 4chan thing where you know nothing about a subject (amazon and how ban happy they are, how little they give a shit about letting no-names appeal) yet speak with total and undeserved confidence.
>Can Amazon still ban whatever the fuck they want from their platform? Sure.
anon that is literally all I was talking about the entire time.
the only thing you think you "disproved" (?????) is that "b-b-b-but maybe the book titled Pedo Novel isn't actually glorifying it"
As if Amazon would REMOTELY have that perspective.
you are equally retarded as whoever published that, just in a different way. the saddest part is you don't realize how goddamn stupid you sound

>>24479626
don't even joke about that
people are serving time for writing that

>>24479763
>There is absolutely nothing in their guidelines
they don't give a damn, dipshit

>>24479885
>people are serving time for writing that
Rightfully so

>>24479853
>I like wasting my time correcting idiots saying stupid shit.
...

>>24479869
If Amazon can ban anything for any reason what is even the point you're trying to make? The actual title and content are completely meaningless if your argument is that Amazon can do whatever they want because they are a private company. You're saying absolutely nothing of value in this case.

>>24479869
You do realize Amazon already reviewed the novel and still allowed it to be published, right?

>>24479911
>if TPTB can do anything for any reason there's no reason to do anything, everyone should just give up if they don't have Total Right to Free Speech
>everyone hasn't given up; ergo, TPTB can't do anything for any reason
tsk
Americans

>>24479913
you do realise they will not hesitate to banhammer if someone makes a stink about it, if only purely for optics?

fucking grow up
we're not living in the idealised Free World
the whole world is now a bunch of dictatorships, just dictatorships of varying benevolence, still utterly selective and arbitrary in execution
adapt or die

>>24466997 (OP)
Which websites should I try to release a web serial for?
Is is too late to start building a fanbase?

>>24479911
let's go back to the first post you responded like a retard to
>not only are you going to get Social Security Number or Tax Identifier banned and thus never be able to sell on amazon again, killing any hopes of a writing career permanently, but this might actually tie back to you IRL somehow
the one who sperged about how Pedo Novel isn't enough to ban for (fuck you are stupid) was you

>>24479985
Even the guy who published the Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure still have his books listed and being sold there but you think they will permanently ban someone just for having the word pedo in the title. You're retarded.

>>24479913
>already reviewed the novel and still allowed it to be published, right?
nta, but yikes, I have a hard time believing an English-speaking human reviewed and allowed a title like that

>>24480027
i think they MIGHT permanently ban him, which is a definitive truth. amazon is arbitrary and random as fuck and anyone call tell you that
why risk a permanent end to your self pub career? that was clearly the point of my post, you just had a sperg session (i have the feeling you do that constantly here)
please man stop typing, you are embarrassing yourself so hard

>>24479719
It won't be too short. Also
>faceless waitress
>the waitress
>it

Doesn't sound good. You shouldn't have to say waitress twice (try using "her" for the second instance). And because you say waitress (implicitly female), you shouldn't say "it" afterwards, which is momentarily confusing. Unless that's what you're going for. If you want to use "it" maybe you should change waitress to waiter, which is more neuter/male. But that also kind of goes against the "diner" vibe. So it probably makes most sense to just change "it" to "she."

>>24480034
Ok

>>24480048
>amazon is arbitrary and random as fuck and anyone call tell you that
I would listen to this anon, and let the convo rest already guys. Nobody else is going to be convinced or unconvinced.

>>24480027
fuckwits like you will argue with tyrants that they're not allowed to be arbitrary and inconsistent in selective prosecution because that would be arbitrary and inconsistent

>>24480048
>i think they MIGHT permanently ban him, which is a definitive truth. amazon is arbitrary and random as fuck
See
>>24479911

>>24480077
are you genuinely autistic?
amazon CAN ban anything at any point, and it's not GUARANTEED a book called "Pedo Novel" will be banned, but the odds are about 100,000x higher
and as you've asked 15 times and still aren't understanding, the "point" I was making is that you shouldn't risk your entire self publishing career on that shit
god you really are an even lower level of a lifeform than im used to seeing on this board

>>24480140
>the "point" I was making is that you shouldn't risk your entire self publishing career on that shit
Finally. That point is still fucking retarded.
If you're not whiling write something that might ruffle some feathers then you shouldn't be writing anything at all.

>>24480189
>Finally
it was clear from the very first post you're just genuinely 80 iq

>>24480198
No, you just don't know how to write properly which is ironic considering this is thread you chose to shitpost.

>>24480205
>the very first post: moron you're going to get banned for this and ruin your self pub career, are you retarded?
>you 20 posts later: you didn't make it clear that you were saying you shouldn't risk your self pub career. learn to write properly
i really, really, really hope for your sake you're trolling

>>24480050
got it thanks.
though i might want to keep the first sentence, mainly to set up an image of location because it feels like it fits for the rest of the prolouge

>>24480208
>you: the author will banned for making a pedo book
>me: actually there are plenty of pedo books in Amazon
>you: yes but this one have the 'word' pedo in the title
>me: actually that's irrelevant to the guidelines
>you: yes but Amazon will literally ban for any reason they want
>me: why does the content matter if they can just ban for anything?
>you: because it increases the odds of being banned
>me: so your argument is that people should just avoid writing about anything that is considered taboo?
>you: yes, just suck the jewish cock and avoid touching anything controversial like me
Better summarization for you

>>24480234
whoa. that's how you interpreted the convo? your mind is fascinating
also this response means you weren't trolling the whole time......./wg/ is full of some interesting creatures, man

>>24480189
>If you're not whiling write something that might ruffle some feathers then you shouldn't be writing anything at all.
You're using this logic for an almost certainly gratuitous pedo book.
If you're pedo yourself, do the world a favor and kill yourself.

>>24480264
>we must protect the fictional children
Kill yourself, retard.

>>24480287
You are a disgrace to the human race and you know it.