"Repetition is the mother of all learning" edition

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed] [Embed]

Literary Magazine list
https://pastebin.com/E4MbabAZ

omg the shirtaloon pic
dude that guy almost died from random sepsis, crazy. don't ignore your health anons

>>24534852 (OP)
>"Repetition is the mother of all learning" edition
I think you forgot to change this bit.

>>24534855
>random sepsis
He’s an obese loser who doesnt move

>>24534857
look at his drip brother. that guy mogs you

>>24534856
Mother of learning is one of the few stories that won't get the thread banned for being anime or something

>>24534866
He’s hospitalised for kidney failure; he’s dripping with IV bags

>>24534852 (OP)
Should be he who fights monsters edition, just keep the change in mind anon.

>>24534887
Yeah I didn’t check the OP, sorry.

What's with the spike in activity in the last few moments of the previous thread? Also Literary Magazine list? Why do we care about that again, and How does this pertain to our world. I was late to start the latest Gen, you clearly can't be trusted "anon".

>>24534898
he's pretty openly a tourist, which is better than that one poser tbqh

>>24534898
Autistic habits? Anyone can start the gen

>>24534898
An exalted academic and published wordsmith graced us with his presence.

>>24534852 (OP)
Previous >>24528474

>>24534908
Anon, you have to angle the bait, not dump the whole bucket.

>>24534911
Lol i read that as sarcasm not bait

>>24534787
i am

>>24534918
Very based

There is an Update from Shirtaloon:

G'day all. I wanted to give everyone an update, and a sense of what has happened thus far. I was on a big holiday with friends and family when I got sick. Very sick, in a couple of ways that both have high mortality rates. I came close to dying when my lungs and kidneys were unable to support themselves unassisted, but the doctors were able to save me and I ended up in a week-long coma instead.

I am now out of danger and on the road to recovery, but that road is a long one, and has not been without setbacks. I remain hospitalised but grow stronger by the day. The lingering question is how many ramifications of this ordeal will be permanent.

As for when chapters will resume, I can't be certain. Even once I'm out of hospital, there will be home treatment to adapt to. I have had to cancel my attendance at LitRPGcon in July as my doctors think that much travel is too risky with my lungs. That saddens me because I wanted to go enough to risk the USA right now. I do think that July is the most likely window for getting back to the chapters, but things remain up in the air right now, so time will tell.

I would like to thank everyone who has sent well-wishes, and apologise for not answering individual messages as I concentrate on recovery. I'm very much looking forward to being well enough to write, as well as to eating non-hospital food.

-Shirt

I might be too Aspergers for proper character writing.

>>24534923
Let us social butterflies be the judge of that.

>>24534923
Autists are actually uniquely qualified for character writing, by virtue of characters in fiction being very, very different then actual people, a hodgepodge of all kinds of facets that will need to be constructed to properly use them in your writing. You probably just have to flesh your characters out, and to always remember that characters build upon the other as you write.
Wagmi, aspie bro. Don't let your lack of social butterflyness stop you from creating good characters.

Thoughts on names for spells or special attacks or too cringe?

>>24535013
It's compulsory

>>24534922
Vax status?

>writing slop WHILE eating goyslop
>gets fat and dies
Couldn't be me

>>24535013
Cringe is good actually.

>>24535013
Just don't put them in brackets if it's not even litRPG.

>>24535054
The TRVTHNVKE about the relationship between eating and writing is that lean and functional writing can only come from lean and functional food.
Physical obesity begets literary obesity.

>>24535109
>Heh...
>Anon's eyes glow purple as he speaks two incantations at once
>[Sight Inviolate] layers onto [Daybreak Gaze lvl IV]!!
>"It's just as I thought!!
>the kindly stranger giving advice??!
>IT'S THE DREAD SLOP GOBLIN!!!!

>>24535139
>no "there's no mistaking it...!"
lame, do you even slop, fren?

I've just found my Rising Star rival.

>>24535165
you both have bad titles but yours is slightly better
you have a cooler cover
you're probably hurting your identity with the seemingly wrong urban fantasy tag since the cover looks renaissance/historical fantasy

>>24535175
that bottom cover is ugly as fuck and makes me never want to read that series.

>>24535013
Cringe is part of the appeal. You might not be cut out for this

>>24535175
He’s 16th now, and I’m 17th. I kinda hope we can climb the ladder of success together, before my total triumph.
>No Urban Fantasy
You’d seriously call a squad of Miami anti-drug cops raiding a cartel stronghold in the middle of the Caribbean Sea classic fantasy?

>>24535181
An anon here made it. It’s pure, unfiltered kino.

>>24535181
i've never seen a good cover on royal road but that one isn't terrible
even good/popular fics like super supportive have shit covers. virtuous sons is particularly awful

>>24535197
*virtuous sons' cover
the fic itself is good but that cover is disgusting

>>24535165
You absolutely have to show up in his comment section and act like you have been longtime rivals.

>>24535196
> An anon here made it.
Was it meant as a joke or a shitpost? Honest question.

>>24535196
It's better than the first one, though the AI cover was more in line with RR expectations anyway.
>>24535197
The colors... Are something, that's for sure. But it sets the expectation for me that it's a crossover of ancient greece and chinese sword slop (I never read it beyond the blurb btw).

>>24535213
True story. My first cover was so bad that an anon got mad and remade it.

>>24535208
After we are both in the top 10.

>>24535196
it's a good cover but doesn't look like a web novel
reminds me of those reprints of The Prince or some other Machiavellian aphorism compilation from questionable renaissance figures like Baltasar Gracian

my joke fanfiction has gotten a lot of hits on ao3 ever since the global release of the game, meanwhile my actual serious story is the same as ever.
I get why people write slop. there is a sense of satisfaction from catching the popularity wave.

>>24535145
;_;7
My precious slop fu... Destroyed before its time...

>>24535232
I mean that but also it's quintessential to keep output high.

>>24535196
your story is set in the modern day? why do you have an old painting as your cover? you're sending the wrong signals

>>24535229
It’s a cover that filters out casuals, while intriguing my reader base. Becoming a Rising Stars kinda vindicated my decision.
>>24535215
I used the AI-generated covers for the volumes, good compromise.

>>24535165
>bro thinks he can fight someone called shaggydog

>>24535246
MASSIVE FANTASY WORLDBUILDING.
The skeleton of the story is set in the "Middle Age," but the actual plot explores the consequences of the choices made during that past.

>>24535257
I’m the MAN who writes KINO.

>>24535165
unironically rooting for you

>>24535109
>>24535013
>As Anon felt the sword glint reach his eyes, he ducked under it with a single movement.
>Raising his head, he looked behind him and saw a deep gash on the mountain a few kilometers away from him.
>"Impressed, Anon? That was a simple『Bait』, a basic technique like that derailed the previous thread mountain."
>Muttering a curse under his breath, Anon ignored the Orc's words and stood up.
>"Don't you understand, the difference between us is like the distance between heaven and earth, for I am the true 'Wordsmith'"
>"You talk too much."
>"Hah?" As the Orc's face scrunched in disgust, Anon started to unleash his only technique!
>With his staff pointed up to the heavens, he started speaking.
>Snorting in disdain, the Orc kept speaking, undisturbed even as the pressure unleashed by Anon kept increasing.
>"It doesn't matter what you do. Don't you understand that I am backed by one of the 'Big 5 publishers'? A mere wandering self-publisher, you can't harm me!"
>Gritting his teeth, Anon held his staff tighter, ignoring the nonsense the orc kept speaking
>"I don't care about joining a publisher! I'll keep writing what I want." With a huff, Anon swung his sword.
>Widening his eyes, the Orc muttered in disbelief as he recognized the technique that was launched at the speed of thought!
>"There's no mistaking it...!"
>As the Orc's body was bisected in two, Anon narrowed his eyes and spoke the name of his only skill.
>"That's the only skill I know, refined over and over for many years," He continued. "That was 『Slop』."

FUCK americans just ruined my socialist shithole's with 50% tariffs and now I won't be able to afford ads ever again

>>24535283
Brazil?

>>24535265
>I’m the MAN who writes KINO.
And we demand a... sloppery

>>24535291
It's huever, jeets are the only third worlders left with financial leverage for RR adsense

>>24535283
On the upside, you'll probably make more if you ever make it.
I should probably run and buy a new computer before my government reciprocates

>>24535299
Kino and slop are two sides of the same coin.
In a world where an Olympus of writers, deemed untouchable gods, set the standards with every word they speak, readers are, instead, willingly throwing themselves to the bottom of the barrel, just to feel something.

WE ARE THE LAST HOPE OF WRITING!

>>24535299
>>24535315
Slop is unironically one of those
>Fear the man who's practiced the same move 10000 times
Thing.
Oceans & The Dark Knight trilogy are both great examples of Slop so quintessentially refined to such a brutal & uncompromising extent it becomes Kino.
This is the ultimate goal and the difference between this and Writing General.
High skill pop culture not low skill high culture.

>>24535312
Our internet is being cut off from the western grid as we speak, soon I will only have access to chinese wuxia platforms and be forced to join them in obliterating litsloppers I once considered my brethren.

>>24535277
vgh.....kvno.....

>>24535364
>Born too soon to get my own Kuruminha
>Born too late to ask aliens gibs on the spacenet
>Born just in time to produce sino-brazilian xianxia litRPG slop

>>24535354
very good, sir
I am also hoping to write refined, crystalline slopkino

>>24535383
When you think about it Brazil is basically just the average xianxia world

>>24535241
That's not what quintessential means. Just use essential. Better yet, use a dictionary.

>>24535393
>Oh no, the Vermelho Sect has refined a new pill which causes instantaneous heart demons!

>>24535354
>High skill pop culture not low skill high culture.
Truer words had never been spoken.

>>24535252
>Becoming a Rising Stars kinda vindicated my decision.
okay i have to ask, is this bait lmao, you keep repeating it
you made like #49 in a super niche tag, you're probably like #4325 on the actual candidate list for rising stars

i just write the stories that are in my head

>>24535494
I take DMT and ask machine elves for stories

>>24535486
not him but satire isn't that niche
no need to crab, it's still an achievement worth celebrating

>>24535392
I decree that henceforth our only goal in this general is to achieve slopkino, consistently served and ever so satiating. We will pollish our slop until it shines like diamonds.

>>24534852 (OP)
Previous threads
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=wng

>>24535528
Wait I thought we were all fishing for five figures in patreonbux each month?

>>24535517
which is why I didn't say anything, he's allowed to be happy with it ofc, but saying #49 satire "validates his decision to do X" is really questionable

>>24535570
>>24535517
also, it is very niche, only #1, 2, 3 of the satire page make rising stars main. he is extremelyyyy far from RS

>>24535561
That only happens if you really know how to write slop, there's only like 20 of those guys

>>24535201
this? It's overall decent but needs a better title font

>>24535232
>my joke fanfiction has gotten a lot of hits on ao3
i saw it linked and recognized anon's name from here, really got jumpscared there.

>>24535364
Speaking of losing the culture war to china, i heard russia got really into chinese style xianxia webnovels a while back but I've never seen any for myself. Have any anons here read any good russian written webslop? With eng translations of course

>>24535676
The last russian novelslop sphere I've parachuted into is basically an entire genre about "protagonist goes back in time to help Stalin win the Cold War" their web fictions are far more attached to cultural identity in a more myopic way than China so I couldn't really relate to their grudges. A Baron Ungern or Rasputin isekai would be far cooler but it's always about Stalin so I just forgot about Russian genres.

>>24535419
>tfw the first popular brazilian litrpg is about bodybuilder orc x genderswap elf's motorcycle adventures in favela

>want to start a web serial
>keep coming up with ideas
>drawing inspiration from raw fun and rule of cool
>because none of them start from a theme I can't tie any of the ideas into a greater narrative
AAAAHHHH
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE A STORY FOR A BILLION WORDS WITHOUT A THEME

>>24535797
just bee yoursef

>>24535797
themes arise naturally. you literally cant help it. Just write.

>>24535802
Incorrect, I usually just start with a theme and then self-insert myself all over it while stealing plots and resolutions from other fictional works. I've got a banger about prejudice in the works.

>>24535668
where was it linked? I'm curious

>>24535850
it was in a small d*scord channel, forgive me.

>>24535858
no worries

>>24535797
outline, my dear little chungus

>>24535787
sounds based ngl

>>24535800
t-thanks you too
>>24535802
themes deepen naturally. writing without a direction or intent is just fumbling
maybe im just a literary clutz but I've tried serial writing before and just babbled for 30 chapters before giving up
>>24535868
I only have a smattering of ideas for different stories. without any themes to tie these ideas into a plot and narrative I'd just have a collection of fictional fun facts

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/93931/born-under-a-black-sun
I have a pretty big drop-off in viewership between my first and second chapters, and then from there on out it stays the same/dwindles at a lower rate.
Do you guys get the same thing? I'm try to figure out if it’s because my chapters are too big, or something in the text is throwing readers. My goal is to tweak the story and fix things up once I complete book one in about ten chapters, maybe even throw it on Amazon so I can make myself a physical copy. Maybe including the art is too much?

>>24535948
>first and second
they read the first chapter and decided the story isn't for them.

>>24535948
Completely normal. Viewers pick a story, read the first chapter and decide to keep reading or to drop. Same as the story goes on, some click for the first few then drop, others drop when they finish binging, etc. Just keep writing, as long as people aren't telling your story sucks suddenly, it's normal (and even then some may just say out of bitterness).
I haven't read your work yet so I can't judge if you're doing something wrong, sorry.
Just power through, readers are more likely to pick a story that already has some lenght, and the more you pick, the more followers you'll have.

>>24535948
Oh and about the art, if you think it's messing your views, you can use the spoiler function to hide the art, or maybe put them in a dedicated art chapter.

Does pic count as a web novel? I started reading it recently.
I'm somewhat rubbing up against the janky translation but enjoying it so far.
The gimmick/premise that he's the only one able to figure out the legendary past emperor's "secret code" because they were both isekai protagonists from China and it's just written in Mandarin is funny. The story has a lot of amusing scenes of the main character just being a poser and trying to act edgy and mysterious when he has no idea what's going on.

>>24535948
Your drop off is because your story isn't what most RR readers want
If your story is on market you want >70% member retention, preferably >80% (not views retention, member. views are too unreliable)

>>24536019
i really want to read lotm because of how many rabid fans it has but I can't read translations unfortunately, i've tried like 3 times

>>24535109
What about using the superior 「STAND BRACKETS」?

>>24535985
>>24535976
>>24536046
Thanks, admittedly what I'm writing is not at all like anything that gets big for webnovels. And I totally accept that, but Royal Road has been super helpful to me. I've gotten a decent amount of feedback that has found grammar and continuity errors. I'd like the story to gain traction, but not so much that I want to change the vision in my head

>>24536054
if you are a truly great writer even more trad style fantasy can (can) succeed. see: pale lights. you're just playing from behind. write what you enjoy though ofc

>>24536019
Yes it's a webnovel. It just happens to be a Chinese one, the genre is hugely popular over there. There is an 'authorized' translation which is markedly better than the machine translated crap but it's on a pay-to-read site. You would have to do a bit of internet sleuthing to find ebook rips from the site.

>>24536069
>great writer
>web novel

>>24536047
Have you tried the new yen press release? They seem to have retranslated or at least re-edited it. Surely at least they stop saying glabella every 2 paragraphs.

>>24536073
>There is an 'authorized' translation which is markedly better than the machine translated crap but it's on a pay-to-read site.
That's where you're wrong. The paid translations on webnovel (which is owned by qidian, the chinese web serial site the stories originate from) ARE the edited mtls you see elsewhere.

>>24535486
...Ahem

>>24535948
I read half of Ch1. Everything I read was written fine. My main issue was not getting any hooks at the beginning or middle that made me want to keep reading.
Proper noun spamming makes this more noticeable. If the only thing happening is talking, loading a bunch of words we have no context for is just going to make the conversation harder to be invested in.
You seem really invested in your worldbuilding. I'm sure there's some conflict you could think of at the start that could get readers wondering how your world works.
I wouldn't be suprise if I enjoyed later chapters, but when you're competing with thousands RR slop novels, there needs to be something compelling that's gonna pull people early in the chapter that keeps them around long enough to care who the Feathered Prince is.

>>24535762
>Their web fictions are far more attached to cultural identity in a more myopic way than China
Well Russian identity arguably post-dates the concept of Bavarian identity so there's a lot of catching up to do.

>>24536230
I'm going to second everything this anon said right down to only reading half the first chapter before losing interest. It's so on the nose I knew what story was linked before checking. There's no tension or points of interest to get invested in. It's a guy going to the bar with his boss and running into a friend there. Your first chapter is how you pitch your story to someone, and that's a shitty pitch.

>>24535528
By right and writ it shall be so.

So how do LitRPGs work? How are they different to Brandon Sanderson’s fantasy series that incorporate magic systems and game elements?

>>24536342
?

>>24536344
Aren’t most web novels LitRPG?

Has anyone read Worm?

>>24536355
you could try reading some

>>24536342
A normal system heavy fiction will have the main character Jim say to his allies "No matter how hard I try I can't cast more than five spells per fight."
A litRPG has the author drop a paragraph that tells the reader "Jimmy Longpenis has 50MP and every spell he has costs 10MP. He only regains MP outside of combat, at the rate of 5 per hour." Or they just do it in an formatted box.

>>24536385
Too busy reading Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov and literary permutations par excellence

>>24536376
Have people in the webnovel thread read one of the most famous webnovels? Nope, not a single person.

>>24536391
Sanderson would then go on to spend half the book being about the character learning, through various methods, what exactly is the power they use to cast spells(without ever calling it MP), why they are only able to regain the ability to cast spells outside of combat, why it is 5MP per hour(without ever using numbers or calling it MP).
Sanderson and similar autists write an explanation of why a game-like system exists without ever directly acknowledging it is a game system within the text itself.
LitRPG does nothing to hide the fact it is a game system with numbers, and often revels in the numbers(fans of the genre love looking at numbers more than words). They rarely go into detail of how the system works as far as what "MP" actually is the way sanderson said "you need metals in your bloodstream to use magic"

>>24536401
> fans of the genre love looking at numbers more than words
not everyone is a fan of crunchy litrpg.

>>24536400
Is it good?

>>24536230
>>24536295
Thanks, appreciate it. I might try and switch to an action scene starting off

>>24536409
It's flawed, has pacing issues, the writing early on is a little rough but overall it's good, very good in places.

>>24536392
>willfully stifling his literary diet
heh... how pedestrian

>>24536376
>>24536400
I don't read female protagonist shit.

>>24536454
Stop watching porn and you might respect women

Welcome raiders

>>24536454
Worm female MC is a good one as she is a real woman, and not a male self-insert.

>read whole entire librarys of mtl chinkslop
>come to the conclusion that we need to either exterminate the chinese people or so irrevocably destroy their identity if we don’t want humanity to consist of only Han Chinese sometime during the 2200’s

never expected to get convinced into ethnically cleansing or exterminating a race from reading WNs but here it happened

I don't dislike female MC but I'm getting tired of female MC whose defining characteristic is obsessive neuroses

>>24536454
Based

>>24535797
don't start from theme
start from character

>>24536409
Good no, Great yes, one of a kind, the cape novel—tragic, miserable, heartstabbing misery, that too.

>>24536472
Oh man, you'd hate my mc's. They are all mentally depressed, socially awkward, semi-autistic girls. Would you want female mc's who boobily breast their way across the battlefield instead.

But I write a female my story....

>>24536489
>Would you want female mc's who boobily breast their way across the battlefield instead.
That would make redditors like you seethe which would at least be one redeemable quality.

>>24536489
mentally ill foids are great. Necroepilogos is probably my favorite serial right now because it has the best menhera women of any slop
specifically I'm thinking of when it's like
>I MUST save everybody
>I CAN'T let anyone down
>I MUST be perfect
like the protag of worm. I liked it then, but I've been seeing it pretty frequently lately and it's wearing me down
I get that it makes for driven protagonists but once you get used to the archetype it starts feeling less like they're active characters driving the story forward and more like they're passive victims of their own compulsions

>>24535013
That's what makes it SOVLful anon

>>24536489
Can you link your story I want to read about a cute autistic girl

>>24536472
How about a female MC who acts like a bubbly idiot to cover up her single minded obsession with revenge but is also still kind of an idiot?

>>24536516
I prefer my revengetards brooding and impulsively violent
like crow-anon's story

Does anyone give feedback here?

>>24536550
I try to.

>>24536516
I like them mentally ill and horny but socially inept that they look like an autist.

I like them daydreaming about getting impregnated when they brush past a handsome young man.

I like them thinking about getting leashed and fucked against their will by capable older ugly fat men.

simple as

>>24536559
Sounds like Gene Wolfe

Web novels are often perceived as lower quality due to a combination of factors including the pressure to produce content quickly, a lack of editorial oversight, and a focus on quantity over quality. The online publishing format also encourages long-form narratives, which can sometimes lead to repetitive or underdeveloped plotlines and characters.

>>24536568
stop talking to the robots and do your homework zoomer kun

So is a female protagonist that big of a turn off for readers or is it just here?

How about for people who just leisurely read novels? Would a female protagonist turn them off?
I might change the gender of my MC if that's the case...

>>24536579
I'm fairly certain I'm in the minority when I say that I refuse to read anything with a female protagonist judging by the popularity of YA novels with female protagonists, just do what you want

>>24536566
big torturing dawg

>>24536579
Only I write interesting female protagonists, the others works are unreadable, so I understand the resentment.

>>24536579
>So is a female protagonist that big of a turn off for readers or is it just here?
What are you talking about? I wish "here" was a no female protagonists allowed zone but even in 4chan's slop general most people are aggressively simpy. And on royalroastie it's far, far worse.

>>24536579
I only write off female protagonists when the writer is a woman or "woman." Just too much risk of it being a self insert. If the author is male I don't feel like it's a red flag.

>>24536579
look man, the average reader is a horndog. don't overthink it. make them sexy and have a personality and you'll strike gold.

Well I'm about to figure out if the days of the first half of a fantasy book being Frodo painstakingly detailing how he packed for his trip is a thing of the past or not. I just added three pages of a necromancer killing some waterbender in broad daylight to chapter one, which previously was my only chapter without physical violence. Let’s see if it works out!

>>24536602
The more death and violence you zoomers pack in your stories, the blander it all feels

>>24536632
gen X invented grimdark chud

>>24536638
Bakker and GRRM are boomers

>>24536643
Manchildren are eternal zoomers

>>24536646

>>24536648
Ah, the published academic is back.

>>24536652
Blackademic to you white boy

>>24536648
>>24536656
Could do anything, could be on /b/. Could be a raging basedtard. What does he do, annoy, people who are trying to have discourse pertaining to their future.

>>24536694
>What does he do, annoy, people who are trying to have discourse pertaining to their future.
>inb4 "that's your future white boi"

>>24536694
>future
Don’t make me laugh, white boy. Your future will be black excellence.

>>24536579
Just here. Go look at the a list of the most popular and successful webnovels and many feature a female MC. (Wandering Inn, Azarinth Healer, Beneath the Dragoneye Moons, Stray Cat Strut, Worm)

>posts recommending interesting resources and calls for productive discussion rarely/never get replies
>everybody's too busy feeding the trolls or discussing the stuff that doesn't really matter
shame, i thought this new gen would be different

>>24536592
If you want a "no female protags" allowed thread, go to /sffg/. You'll be right at home.

>>24536732
What a silly claim, they like plenty of female protagonists but they also read all the traditionally published cuckshit, like Tad Williams.

anon from the last thread, please grant us your refined method or “game” for increasing productivity.

>>24536730
The fools brigaded and settled right in

>>24536773
Cope

>>24536733
>they like plenty of female protagonists
Since when? Everytime somebody brings up a book with a female protag there's always someone seething about how they won't read it.

>>24536806
> there's always someone
yes, some ... one.

/wng/ Daily Quest

>reply to start your timer
>write your slop
>24 hours later reply with a reaction + report based on your progress toward the goal

Word goal of the day:
>1000 words
Quote of the day:
>"Easy reading is damn hard writing."


>>24536757
There you go anon. I was assessing whether to lower the next wordcount to boost thread participation since yesterday some anon said their average was 500 words, but I ultimately deemed it unnecessary because we should always aim higher than our average. As for that anon, my advice would be to treat writing as a mental gym where you're always striving to pick up heavier weights. Good luck.

>>24536931
But slopman I'm still editing.

>>24536943
Consider it as editing through 1000 words, next time I should add the point that you can set custom goals if not in the conventional writing stage.

>>24536806
>>24536845
Yup, probably me and while sometimes someone may call me based for that, I am aware that I may be the last of my kind on 4chan, but I will steadfastly keep on fighting the good fight.

Why we we getting raided again?

>>24536995
wg is empty save for a few permission-askers ever since slopchads left so the trolls migrated

>>24537017

>>24537017
You'd think they'd find something else to do with themselves.

>>24535196
how much is Ælgifu gonna end up going through? Damn

>>24537075
Today's chapter is dropping in 4-5 hours.
[Spoiler] Suffering never ends.

>>24537097
Really hope we get some extended time through Jacques len's soon, he's great and it's pretty refreshing to see a protagonist depicted as a side character this much but damn can we see some of his thoughts again? Him & Bumserk have a cool dynamic

>>24537103
Ahem...Is Derserk, not Bumserk
>Jacques's lens
Don't worry. Three of the four chapters left in this macro-arc will have Jacques back as MC.

>>24537107
Do you have a map of the world beyond the HRE?

i wonder if i can get away with writing subtle anti-Chinese propaganda on Webnovel

>>24537115
Nope, because it would be damaging to define so much in stone this early. But I can share with you the blueprint.

The Mediterranean Ocean, like a lake, is bordered by three continents:

Chaotia to the north.

Lawfullia to the east (or west, depending on your perspective).

Naturia to the south.

In the center of the Ocean there us a subcontinental island called Euralia.

>>24537126
Where is the sunken continent not named atlantis?

>>24537129
Here bro.

>>24536592
have you considered that you are a homosexual?

>>24537135
>Agartha & Hyperborea both in the map
That might be the second filter after your cover

>>24536550
I do when my mood allows, and I try to be honest but not rude, however I never got around to reading City of Flies when anon posted their work the first time.

>>24537140
And that’s not even the worst part, bro.

>>24537126
>Chaotia
>Lawfullia
fucking kek c'mon bro

>>24537153
Are you afraid of KINO? Because I am the MAN who writes it.

Is it legitimate to use the slopmachine as beta reader?

>>24537155
you're also the man talking to himself pretending to have ardent fans inquiring about your story's geography

>>24535797
What about, they're going on a journey? Perhaps they've stumbled upon something special...

>>24537158
Look man I like maps what can I say

>>24537158
>you're also the man talking to himself pretending to have ardent fans inquiring about your story's geography
I am professional cuntrarian and now I will feign interest in his world-building just to spite you.

>>24537158
Gigacope
>>24537164
Gigachad

some day someone will ask me about my worldbuilding.
in the mean time - fff-anon which girl has the biggest tits

>>24537181
post your story I'm almost done with FFF's

>>24536579
I've read loads of books with fmcs in the before time, the last couple of years I just think PANDERING and dismiss them at once

>>24537181
Carmen Asturias, for students.
Miss Sinclair, for professors.

>>24537190
For Bumserk? His world

>>24537193
>prefer the sexy teacher over the cute childhood friend.

Particularly enjoyed:
>Journey of Black and Red
>Boundary: Orbital Warfare
>How the Stars Turned Red
>Rain Sabbath
>Virtuous Sons
>Blood Impulse

Yeah this isn't /r/ but please (and thank you) shill good stuff (or your own stuff). If there are any urban fantasy gods here who can't get over the era of Raildex, Type Moon, Boogiepop, and whatever, pleasepleaseplease shill your shit.

>>24537185
i will link it because I did not link it yet this thread
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/63818/the-crow-and-the-rabbit
inb4 >female mc

>>24537216
Oh, you're Rabbit-bro. Did you like my review?
Also, who has the bigger elf tiddies?

>>24537238
Oh I have this on my backlog, checking it out later today. Hope you have a map or two atleast.

>>24537244
Not that guy, sorry.

>>24537244
you got the wrong post but
Rilya > Taradira > Ferene > Linara

>>24537265
...but...Linara is the...best girl

>>24537272
but not the breast girl.

>>24537282
At least...the ass?

>>24535013
I get the appeal. I have it in my story kind of as a foil, or really just a comedic difference. The characters that I want to follow are from a world where they don't have any special moves or names, it's just combat to them. But they're in Wuxia China and everybody has crazy weird names for how they fight like Soaring Dragon Sword or more silly things.

hi can you guys offer critique on my writing? my main inspos are Hajime Isayama and Kane Pixels btw

https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1714148/alan-is-not-doing-so-well/

to every anon that takes his time of the day to read my book, thank you thank you!

>>24536391
>A litRPG has the author drop a paragraph that tells the reader "Jimmy Longpenis has 50MP and every spell he has costs 10MP. He only regains MP outside of combat, at the rate of 5 per hour." Or they just do it in an formatted box.
most litrpgs don't though. it's pretty niche to be so autistic you have MP and HP and track them
>>24536579
stop listening to what randos say and check yourself. it's very easy to see that royalroad has tons of success stories for fem mc. however, if your plan is to stub to amazon, fmc does worse there by a large margin
>>24536806
on 4chan lol, some autist ran the stats and FMC tends to be a royalroad buff, they are disproportionately more successful despite being a lower % of the overall story count
>>24537156
if you mean ai, no. it can tell you if your prose is horrendous, and it can proofread, that's about it
>>24537216
recent stuff i read and liked is years of the apocalypse and a practice guide to sorcery

>>24537295
Don't know what to say about the sudden torture scene inside a dream, it's quite off-putting to have one when we don't even know the reason or even care about. This is right at the start too, so you're telling your readers, so they could drop right at the start. Words are free and it makes the shock value is worthless.
Some weird world choices:
>The former person talked:
Wouldn't it be better to just say his name?
>The protagonist left his twin bed. Alan(...)
I think it would be better as "Alan left his twin bed. He(...), and try to make some choices impersonal "The bedroom was minimalist (...).
Too scatological, we don't need to know when people pee themselves or go for the morning shit.
There's one critic anon who's better at grammar and word choices than I am, so it may be better to let him chew this some.
>umaloucura35
Fucking huezils.
Rest of the story is quite mundane, did you want to fill a word quota? Your first chapter is probably the most important, you have to tell readers what your story does and why they should care, but all you have is that Alan is a lucid dreamer that tortures people with his imaginary friend while working as a developer.
Establishing a character routine may work in traditional novels, but web novels need to hook readers at the start, and this isn't doing it.
What is your outline? What do you want to do the story? Cook it for a while and write it in a way that leads readers to want to know what happens next.
What does Alan do in his dreams (beyond torture?), you could expand on it, let the mundane stuff for later, give us some of the meat, then later the potatoes.

>>24537365
>This is right at the start too, so you're telling your readers, so they could drop right at the start. Words are free and it makes the shock value is worthless.
This came mangled as fuck, what I meant is, don't put something that may make readers drop right at the start, not everyone can stomach torture.

Just finished my 1900 words for the day. My MC is now at his nadir; it's all up from here!

>>24537386
Good job!

>>24537293
what’s particularly magical about wuxia move names is that they have extremely grand names like “Golden Staff Beats the Dragon”, “Universe in the Sleeve”, “Heaven-Earth Shifting”, but are then described in such a mundane and regular manner that the contrast between name and actual move borders on farce.

for example, in a wuxia novel written by a chinaman you might read a move where the guy does a “Universe-Shifting Palm” and then the next sentence describes how after catching someone’s fist the character’s hand deftly moves on top of said fist to then perform a palm strike at the victim’s chest.

i think the same phenomenon happens in real life ancient chinese martial arts, along with everything else, which is an ancient chinese trend i suppose.

take for instance: the name for coconut in chinese translated to something along the lines of “treasure fruit” during the tang dynasty

last night i wrote 200 words and then my brain turned off

>>24537438
It's a bit like purple prose, innit?
Like it's more fun to read about "Heaven Shattering Hand" than "Palm Strike to Solar Plexus."

>>24537448
i think it’s just chinese literary culture to make the often historical setting more authentic.

if you read ancient chinese travel guides or miscellanea you have to be careful not to take things literally, else you’d come to the conclusion that ancient china was a xianxia setting.

for instance, a dish from a song dynasty anecdote about a meal someone had at a hermit’s house is named “Jade Well Rice”. a grand name for what is essentially lotus root and seed steamed in rice.

>>24536342
a lot of litrpg fans seem to love meaningless number increases, so the stories can fall in the trap of merely saying "ding! skill level up" while not actually textually showing the main character improving or learning anything. sturgeon's law applies.

Lol the royalroad dev just posted about how royalroad has 2.5x as many fictions posted per month as same time last year
the ai sloppa train really is killing discoverability. post your shit and get famous now before its ogre anons. the only surviving authors will be established ones soon enough

>>24537556
>2.5x as many fictions posted per month as same time last year
Fuck that's a lot.
>the ai sloppa train really is killing discoverability
My vote is that SEA/India found out that you could make money from that, even if you're getting peanuts compared to established authors, that's a respectable amount in the third world.
>post your shit and get famous now before its ogre anons
I only have one chapter ready, it's already over for me, go on without me anons.

>>24537567
I think we're still in the early wave personally, royalroad seems poised to be the major serial site for SFF, I bet it moves away from litrpg at least somewhat over the years. I think web fiction will continue to grow into the mainstream and RR naturally fills that role
So it's not ogre ogre. But if you want to catch the freebie early wave get your ass to work

>>24537567
>SEA/India
It's funny to me how they're always at the center of the enshittening of the internet

>>24537573
I am a bit of an hypocrite as I'm an ESL in the third world, but the amount of english speakers in these regions getting access to the internet + AI is really making good content and conversations harder to find. Even if only 1/5 of India access the english speaking internet, for example, that's probably more users than the whole US.

should i suck it up and write my superhero serial with many references to some of the most unhinged politics in history on royal road, regardless if it gets me banned or not?

>>24537573
Just smart enough to use IT tools, not smart enough to actually contribute positively to humanity.

>>24537556
I filtered out AI slop. The only problem is those periods of time when AI tools to identify AI output aren't good enough to detect all the AI output and people intentionally mislabel. Besides which, I've yet to see an AI that can put out a million word coherent and cohesive narrative. Sure, it can do paragraphs, but it lacks the capacity for larger, more complex cognition. See ClaudePlaysPokemon. It can't keep track of objectives for longer than a certain period of time. Or look at people using AI chatbots that purge themselves after a certain length of conversation and start over tabula rasa.

AI really does lack creativity. I don't think this is going to be such a serious problem in the near future as people imagine.

>>24536489
i love autism but i hate depressed social anxiety blobs

>>24537590
Yeah just use a burner email account.

>devote much of my writing autism to prose
>can write relatively effortlessly in ornate prose
>realize i don’t know how to structure a plot other than “stuff happens, hero has to deal with it”
did i end up missing the forest for the trees?

>>24536579
>So is a female protagonist that big of a turn off for readers or is it just here?
anon it's fucking 4chan, of course there's a higher than normal proportion of chuds

that said a large percentage of litrpg audience is at least 1 standard deviation below average iq and can't enjoy stories without self-inserting. if you want to pander them your protag must be male but also must not have normal character flaws or make understandable mistakes or they'll piss and moan

>>24537608
Read stuff, or as an exercise, just start writing your daydreams or escapist fantasies. Introduce characters, a situation (even if it's just "travel to get the macguffin" and ideas will start popping. The more you write, the more you'll find stuff to write about.

>>24537617
funnily enough my writing process for the one story i wrote that had 60k words went something like that. i thought there’d be a more refined method, but that’s near anyways.

good luck with your WNs, anon.

>>24537625
Thanks, good luck with your writing too.

>>24537608
You can also just rip off plots. Eragon the series of novels rips off the plot of star wars nearly one to one, and it's fine (not really but it's good enough).

>>24537365
>>24537366
>don't put something that may make readers drop right at the start, not everyone can stomach torture.
I can sort of get where you're coming from but at the same time not really. People are dumber than you give them credit for, they'll just think Alan is le quirky chungus and get bored if I don't introduce a hook at the very start.

>Wouldn't it be better to just say his name?
>>The protagonist left his twin bed. Alan(...)
>I think it would be better as "Alan left his twin bed. He(...), and try to make some choices impersonal "The bedroom was minimalist (...).
ty, I really struggle to put myself in other's shoes, so advice like this is invaluable.

>Too scatological, we don't need to know when people pee themselves or go for the morning shit.
noted!

>all you have is that Alan is a lucid dreamer that tortures people with his imaginary friend while working as a developer.
is the ghost really that forgettable?

thx, very cool

>>24536931
Today I shall write at least 1500 words!

>>24537610
> self-inserting
nothing gayer than inserting yourself into a man btw

>>24537608
Sounds like you're ready to write the next big litfic that will become popular 200 years after you die

>>24537668
Wrong, getting inserted into by another man is objectively gayer. The ancient greeks agree, don't bother them about it.

>>24537667
Do it man. Here's my routine:
>get 8 hours of sleep
>wake up, shower, turn on AC
>grab an energy drink, sit down at PC
>fire up some music, no vocals
>review yesterday's chapter for typos and consistency
(at this point I'm getting my first two dopamine hits of the day and I'm fresh and ready to go: caffeine and music)
>review plot outline for what needs to happen in this next chapter
>write for about two hours
>have a second energy drink as necessary
>stop when I've accomplished what needs to be done
If it's less than a thousand words, I review and see if I need to add more, or just merge it with the next chapter. If it's much over two thousand words, I look to see if there's a natural breakpoint I can use to keep the chapter length between one and two thousand words

I usually wake at 6, am writing by 7, and done writing between 8:30 and 9:30 AM. I can do this every day without burning out and I look forward to it because of the dopamine hacking. After writing I use up the rest of the caffeine focus by reading some harder books or go to the gym, and in the evenings I either veg out with anime or reading LN/WN.

>>24537075
New FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' chapter is out, bro!!!
Posting this cover for absolutely no reason at all.

>>24537686
Reading when I get home, lets see how much the little dolly goes through in this episode

i only read female mc tragedy stories because I love to see women punished for the crime of being women

>>24537699
Holy based

>>24537686
Your schedule is very favorable FFF anon, just how large is the treasure trove of chapters you stocked before dishing out your fiction?

>>24537708
I’ve got a lot of drafts I can easily turn into full fledged chapters. I’m good for at least 250k words, after that, I’m planning to take a long hiatus.

>>24537723
>I’m good for at least 250k words
Damn, you just went up a few notches in my eyes.
>I’m planning to take a long hiatus.
Before or after finishing the story?

>>24537732
The end of what was supposed to be the first book of my series, before agents trashed me.

>>24537686
ok that cover is a lot more interesting now

>>24537744
Wouldn't be better to reduce the output rather than go into hiatus?

>>24537755
I'm an architect, I first need the complete blueprint.

>>24537758
You have such a way with words kino-man

>>24537758
I see, hope you can keep the momentum, brah.
>>24537760
The true wordsmith of our generation.

>>24537313
>it can tell you if your prose is horrendous, and it can proofread, that's about it
I use it for that and to help point out where I'm not explaining terms or stakes enough

600 words to go fuckkkkkkkkkkkk.

>>24537877
Just turn your brain off and write!

I am the word of my slop.
Tropes are my body and cliches are my blood.
Have withstood trolls to create many harems.
But my fics will never win anything.
So as I pray.
Unlimited Slop Works.

Which platform should I put my fic about a depressed widow that gets seduced by her much younger female neighbor?

>>24537910
ao3

Bad News: I haven't reached the 1.5k daily goal yet.
Good news: I've written more in 4 days than I have in the last decade.
Maybe sloppa really is the truth.

>>24537126
That satire tag is carrying some heavy weight

>>24537934
Jelly?
How many civil wars within a civil war does your worldbuilding have?

Forgive me father for I have Info dumped

>>24537952
NTA but I don't think that many people are looking for fantasy Somalia right now.

>>24537952
Its a completement! Too often I had a smirk I couldn't really shake off while reading your stuff twin

>>24534945
Kek
>>24534947
It's just tricky to figure out how a normal person would react to things then also show that.

>>24537964
nta, but you mean compliment?

>>24537967
keyboard

>>24537964
Oh, thanks bro.
>>24537963
Fantasy Somalia doesn’t show up until much later. For now, I’ve only introduced Fantasy Yugoslavia.

>>24537910
my email

i think this thread is activating my latent schizophrenia

Any sports wn?

>>24538020
>This thread is activating the writer's fuel

What a tragedy, anon.

>>24538026
Yes but it's stubbed

>>24538030
What sport is it covering?

>>24538033
football, as in soccer.

>>24537954
Unless you can top the current series I'm reading - which features a 12+ chapter, 30k+ word info dump ... and it's not the first time this has happened - I think you'll be okay.

>>24538081
What in the name of fuck

>>24537284
ass is Linara > Taradira > Ferene > Rilya

>>24538182
KINOOOOOOOOO

>>24538020
You missed it last week when a schizophirenic decided every post on the board who used “bro” was tied to one author here.
admittedly he was probably right about the whole thing, not many people on the board type like a track suit russian. But it was still funny to watch

>out of le blue I get a message saying they loved my story
>thank em for reading
>they say they are a concept artist and would like to make art for my story
>obviously doing this as a gift, but I'm genuinely curious as to see if they did read my work
And now the fun begins.

>>24538201
>It's AI art

>>24538201
someone messaged me with that and I asked them what their favorite scene was and their response was clearly from them asking a chatbot. They didn't say the art would be a gift tho so maybe yours is legit.

>>24538207
>people who share AI art hoping for the praise and enthusiasm that actual artists get
I know you made up a guy but I can't help but hate this fictional man

>>24538229
>I hate no man
>But that thing...
>...
>It angers me

>>24538209
Meant to say grift, not gift.

>>24537965
>It's just tricky to figure out how a normal person would react to things then also show that.
And that's the mistake every autist or socially inept person in general always fucking makes when it comes to writing. They are characters, not social interactions. You wishing your characters to say things that are "normal" stems from your social inabilities and its consequences, not your inability to write dialogue or comversation. You are scaring yourself because you conflate the two things. They aren't the same. Characters say wild shit all the time without readers, even normie readers, backing off.

>>24538229
I make AI art for self-porn purposes. You’d be surprised at how autistic people react, you can seriously rustle some jimmies in the /co/ and /tg/ art threads by editing other people’s AI slop, or even just by using their “characters” or prompts. And if you go to deviantart? The entire site is now autistic slop hidden behind paywalls. I even toyed with the idea of making a patreon and I got some subscribers, but they were all heavily autistic individuals who kept begging me to make art of incredibly obscure cartoon characters

>>24538271
You're probably right.
Back to slopping.
Every scene this chapter is somehow growing by at least 20% this revision.

>>24538189
i dont use bro a lot but i have definitely at least a few times

200 words to go.
Holy mother of god.

42 words to go.

i've written -222 words today

We really burned through this thread didn't we? I hope /wng/ keeps growing.

>>24538580
We've been consistently twice as fast as the main writing thread.

>>24538480
>>24538559
Good job!

>>24538580
I dunno I'd rather have slower threads with less trolls.

>>24537889
>>24536931
I SLOPPED NEARLY TWO THOUSAND WORDS TODAY FUUUUCK YEAAAAAAH BABYYYYY

First true chapter published. Good god I feel giddy.
When's the best time to shill my stuff?

Professional idea guy here

>>24538756
i saw a tech bro twitter account that said "10x idea guy" i was like lol

>>24538745
Congrats! I felt quite anxious during the whole runtime of my short story, but it got a little better towards the end. Hope it goes well!

Post your blowjob chapters and I will give you a full edit. This is an opportunity.

>>24538745
Daily until you catch up to your backlog. I hope to whatever sky fairies you believe in you wrote a backlog and have an ending in mind.

>>24538818
You'll give me a bj?

>>24538810
Thanks man, same to you!
>>24538821
>Ending
Fireworks and meeting the parents.
>Daily
I don't want to go full FFF dude
>Backlog
Yes but not much.

>>24538873
>I don't want to go full FFF dude
This isn't even unique to him: nearly everyone does it. I did it with my short story too. That's just how the norm is on RR. Time of day doesn't matter at all. In the past you'd update just before it hit 24hrs so people see more chapters from your fic updated on the front page.
>Yes but not much.
Well, good luck. Don't get burnout. I hope you outlined at least.

>>24538893
>In the past you'd update just before it hit 24hrs so people see more chapters from your fic updated on the front page.
And now?

>I hope you outlined at least.
I have four arcs.

>>24538818
U wot m8

>>24538916
Still the same way.

Fuck it.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/123486/the-class-of-9099/chapter/2410371/prologue-the-ascent
Here we go.
One serving of sloppa coming right up.

>>24538958
>scifi
gonna read this one 2nite my dude

>>24538965
Basedddd, thanks my dude.
Had this thing on the back burner since 2018, finally decided to do something with it.

>>24538958
My only gripe is lack of dialogue tags, too much enter key abuse in that regard as well in general. Em dash is alt+0151—there's no capitalization after em dash usage. I think there's a lot of big words you're throwing at the reader; something about the flow just seems so off in this regard. Tell a story like you're telling it to a truck driver but don't make it retarded kinda thing. I also notice a lot of periods after dialogue tags.

Your past tense seemed okay but there are some glaring errors.
>Just before reaching the large double doors of the bridge she slowed down, clothes obediently wicking up the sweat before straightening themselves
Could be reworded as
>Just before she reached the large double doors, she slowed down. The inner workings of her suit absorbed what figments of sweat produced from the exercise and recycled it into her drinking tube for later.
Or something of that effect.
>Ignoring her aching muscles she pushed the doors open.
Her muscles ached, but she suppressed the pain as she slammed the doors open.

>>24539035
>Ignoring her aching muscles she pushed the doors open.
this one is fine and is better than your suggested revision

Don't much care for daily uploads. 2-3 times a week seems to be where most of the talented guys hang out. Five chapters a week sloppers are very skippable to me, have yet to been disproven on this. I am a very special and unique boy for not liking the golden truth people preach.

>>24539065
most of the preaching is from nobody jobbers
you SHOULD be ignoring it

>>24539065
I also agree that 2-3 is the sweet spot, but I do think that you should be dumping daily at the start until you to get the first batch of chapters posted.

>>24539065
The daily uploads are primarily to force people out of editing hell.

>>24539058
Ignoring her aching muscles, she pushed the doors open.
The sentence is fine, it was just missing a comma to separate the clauses.

>In the far future, the stars belong to humanity-- but not the same humanity that left Earth. Gene editing, ideological drift, and technological augmentation have fractured human society into thousands of clades and cultural factions.
>To bridge this divide, a tradition endures: the Voyage. Adolescents are given a ship and sent into the unknown to prove their worth and bring back legacy.
>The Light of Calypso carries one such crew. Aboard it, the children of peace will encounter ruins of war, ideological echo chambers, ancient relics, and cultures that barely recognize them as kin.
>This is a story of discovery, diplomacy, and design -- where every encounter reshapes their future.
Good summary, I like the alliteration at the end. HOWEVER:
>>To bridge this divide, a tradition endures: the Voyage. Adolescents are given a ship and sent into the unknown to prove their worth and bring back legacy.
Humanity in all it's variety and diversity is united by a shared tradition of... giving teens a space ship and sent into space to fuck around and bring back children? Not, like, troublemakers who don't fit into the society they're born into, but just all teens? I haven't read the chapters yet but uhhhhhh what?

That premise is far out man. Also, isn't Calypso the witch that kept Odysseus from leaving her island for years while they were banging until the gods made her let him go? The allusion/reference there doesn't seem to quite fit, unless you have a plan for it.

>>24539065
You can do whatever you want at the end of the day my dear little rebellious chungus. Your backlog chapters you schedule (doesn't matter if it's daily, twice, thrice a week) are your buffer for the chapters you DO now have to write (live) and line edit, so you should be taking that time to hurry and keep a consistent upload schedule of whatever you want to go with after that initial wave of chapter drops, because once it's gone the weekly deadline is a very tight noose. This is why it's important to write before actually serialization and even outline (not just bullet points, but not world building either, like a detailed prose outline akin to a skeleton draft) so you're not scrambling in the sinking swamp forever until you burnout or die.

>>24539065
I feel like there's different levels (per week)
1: highly edited, long chapters, high quality
2: decently edited, long chapters, high or nearly high quality
3: variable editing, variable length, decent quality chapters
4: variable editing, variable length, decent to nearly decent quality chapters
5: low to mid editing, short to mid length, quality varies
6+: madmen or writing extremely repetitive rehashed plotlines (cultivation stories)

Personally I post every MWF no matter what, aiming for decent editing, consistent length between 1-2k words, nearly decent to decent quality chapters, and my overall plot moves as a steady pace for the most part. Something is happening almost every chapter. I could do better, and moving up to four chapters a week might make sense, especially once I finish writing the series in a few months.

i upload once a week not because of editing but because I'm lazy

>>24539104
I feel so heckin' validated
representation is SO important

>>24539089
>That premise is far out man.
I was inspired by Pokemon.
Let a bunch of kids traipse about the scenery with WMDs as a rite of passage.
It's somewhat deliberately alien.
>Not, like, troublemakers who don't fit into the society they're born into, but just all teens?
The culture is extremely long lived. With people rarely dying and thus opening up position it became common for young people to bounce as soon as they were able which eventually became formalized.
The voyage prevents stagnation and resentment and gives them a way to get a leg up.

>Good summary, I like the alliteration at the end.
Tyty.
>>24539035
Good stuff, yeah I think some got jumbled during editing.
>Periods after dialogue tags
Huh.

And ya the scene before the bridge definitely needs some smoothing out.

Baker-san wake up!!

>>24539127
Bitch pipe down we're not even on page 9 yet.

>>24539108
what does this reply mean

>posted my story here
>someone gave me a half star review
>I have premium and can see who gave me it
>they’re also a person who posts their work in these threads, and does so often
Bummer.

>>24539148
tell me who it is, I'll teach them a lesson... heh.

>>24539148
wtf rude
I've handed out the full suite of 5 star, favorited and followed a couple times
if I don't like their story I just call them a retard in thread like a civilized person

>>24534852 (OP)
This threads keep reaching bump limit, lol.
When they started (just 2-3 months ago) I though they would die.

>>24539154
I have zero desire to get into a shit flinging fight with 4chan autists. I put a ticket in with the jannies asking if the review could be appealed, and usually how that works (from what I understand) is that the janny will look at the account who gave the bad review, and if they’re only leaving brimstone and coal for other users their account gets suspended.

>>24539148
Fuck that sucks.
I haven't even begun to read other anon's stories, please don't give up.

>>24539163
If only this general popped up right as I was seeking crit for dev chapters in the other thread for my fic, and I posted it too little too late by the time I realized this wasn't going to get smothered in the crib. Bummer.

>>24534852 (OP)
First timer here.
I am interested in publishing some of my work and launching a patreon but I am not confident that the webnovel audience would appreciate my work that has more of a "professional" storytelling tone.

>>24539182
It's not about tone. It's about content, engagement and update schedule.

>>24539163
Cause it's for people that want to actually write.

I'm baking when we're on page 9

>>24539189
The theme of the story I wanted to share is brave men fighting supernatural monsters in an urban setting. It doesn't have much of the eastern allure that seems so popular...

>>24539203
UrbFan has a pretty solid clientele base, anon.

>>24539203
That's Chainsaw Man, retard.

>>24539182
You could find a niche, but web novels favor long, ongoing stories with constant updates, rather than slower ones. I can say that there's at least one that I read (A Chronicle of Lies) that is written in more of a traditional way, though it found it's niche in the scaly fandom.

>>24539182
>>24539203
I hope you aren't writing for the sake of making money on patreon. You should write first, and if the writing is good you will get a following. But I cannot recommend going on RR as a first time writer and posting your story with the expectation that people will pay to support it. A book at a store costs like twelve bucks, so at the very most I would pay a dollar a month to support a reader who has shown me nothing of note. Not trying to be a dick btw

>>24539148
FFF-Class anon here.

Yesterday, my score dropped from 4.6 to 4.4 yesterday due to a sudden bad rating. For a growing store like mine, having less than 4.5 is almost lethal. How can I see who posted it?

>>24539148
FFF-Class anon here.

Yesterday, my score dropped from 4.6 to 4.4 due to a sudden bad rating. For a growing story like mine, having less than 4.5 is almost lethal. How can I see who posted it?

>>24539222
You don't even have to see who posted it. Just put a note in with the mods and say you received a malicious review bomb. If there’s one there that’s below 1 star that looks suspicious, they’ll wipe the rating.

>>24539232
I know I'm asking you to babysit me, but which of the two should I use and how?

Can someone come up with the world building, mechanics, etc. of my story for me? Also the characters, setting

>>24539242
nta but support ticket, category: fiction
the mod will check the reader history of the person who left the rating and remove it if it looks suspicious

>>24539261
another AI lobotomite
tragic

>>24539261
grok 4 just came out

>>24539268
@grok is this true?

>>24539261
>world building
God made the world out of sand, stone and clay, but it collapsed and now people are living in the derelicts of it's creation.
>mechanics
Usual litRPG, but you level up by swallowing marbles.
>characters
Marble faker (she makes it out of glass (yes, fem prot (deal with it))) gets caught and has to escape capture.
>setting
see world building.

>>24539275
>you level up by swallowing marbles
change this to cum and you have the perfect pitch

>>24539264
Thanks, now I'm waiting for an answer.

>>24539275
Ok I’ll write this in the morning. Where do the marbles come from?

>>24539261
>The Orphan Angel
>Protagonist is an angel whose god was slain by another
>It falls to earth where it has to scrounge up power in order to stave off its death
>It does this through various acts that give mortals awe or inspiration and cannibalizing the power of beings it slays
>Eventually begins accruing enough faith to start ascending to godhood
Boom.

>>24539277
>I reached max level by only swallowing cum?! [LitRPG / Erotic / Female Protagonist / Daily Cummies]
>>24539280
You find them everywhere, inside rocks, buried in the sand, but people drop them at death, so if you murder someone you can get all their levels.
Unironically shaping up to a story.

>>24539280
Mexico and China usually.

>>24539285
Should I include a hungry hungry hippos power levelling scene

>>24539291
Write it as a chance game, some of the marbles are actually laced with poison, the suvivor gets the losers' marbles.

>>24539282
This works but I want my protagonist to start (and operate) like most anyone else

I don't think this is a serious poster.

>>24539310
Web novels are serious business.

I am serious, it’s called a writing prompt. I also wanted it to be someone else’s throwaway idea

>>24539335
here, write this
>>24529799
if you don't like it then you're gay

>>24539261
>>24539335
>Sci-fi-coded Dien Bien Phu
>Pov from an imperial pilot being flown in and realizing it's all fubar
>intense fighting around and increasingly shrinking defense parameter
>realizes leadership is abandoning them to die and being ordered to fight to the last man so they can escape into space
> What am I even fighting for?!
>new rebel mecha seen among the enemy, our pilot fella realizes the empire is going to be screwed because its highly advanced compared to their own
>is separated from unit and fights the enemy prototype mecha, cool duel, both realize they can communicate with each other telepathically
>ends ambiguously as both watch the imperial shuttle launch into space
I haven't been been giving it my usual flaire of nuanced in-depth prose outlining but its been swirling in my headspace for a while since finishing last fic, wouldn't be any longer than 20k if my previous short story (also in the same setting) was any indicator, but refraining from that for now to focus on the main fic I'm close to down outlining.

>>24539285
>I reached max level by only swallowing cum?! [LitRPG / Erotic / Female Protagonist / Daily Cummies]
You really going to just rip off Redo Healer like that?

>>24539397
kek, forgot Redo had the same system, though it was the MC who gave the levels.

>>24539196
what is /wg/ for then?

>>24538958
Your grammar needs a lot of work, and there was a few points where you didn't quite finish editing, leaving big typos.

At one point you misspelled a character's name AS you were introducing the POV ([Ayra] should have been [Arya], no?)

I wasn't sure about the premise at first but you're making it work. Your characters are lovely, the multiple POVs worked well to give different views of the ship, and the setting out on an adventure was a decent hook. I will say, the prologue is more of a chapter one, and your chapter one is probably a bit too long. I would have split it up into multiple shorter chapters, but all together it works really well to give the full picture of the ship and crew working together, so it's also fine to leave as is. Just not how I would have done it.

My recommendations at this point would be to skim through "How to Write a Sentence," and to do a bit more editing for grammar and typos. Consider using shorter sentences with less clauses, although your longer sentences aren't that bad either: proper punctuation would just make them more clear, but that's harder than just simplifying the sentences in the first place. The book isn't that long, you can easily finish it in a day, and it'll pay off in spades.

Keep writing!

A ship setting out with a third less fuel than planned would be unthinkable IRL. instant mission scrub, investigation into not only where the fuel is, but how this could happen and the process that led to it being discovered at launch time. It's really under my skin. However, I know the premise is that humanity is more lackadaisical about this "adventure" exploration, so I'm just going to assume they're so far beyond post-scarcity they just don't really give a shit and feel things are more interesting this way. But that also clashes with the bit about finding the problem in the water system. Just something I'm thinking about.

Come on…. Bake. Bake! If you don’t bake it I’m gonna do it myself, and I’m gonna put Brandon Sanderson as the image to attract shitposters. Is that what you want?

>>24539499
Dude, that attitude towards general threads is fucking cancerous and r****t. Please stop. It's not a tragedy if the general falls off the board and nobody makes it again for a while. If you NEED persistent discussion, go to a regular forum where threads don't auto-delete. Generals on 4chan are more of a containment system, to keep people interested in one thing from spamming every other thread with it. But they can become cancerous and metastasize (see /vg/).

Nobody wants that here. Just fucking chill. Use the catalog. Kids these days have no idea how easy they have it. BACK IN MY DAY WE ALL PUT NOKO IN THE EMAIL FIELD AND WE LIKED IT

>>24539521
generals are eternal
welcome to [current year] old man
now get baking

>>24539550
>>24539550
>>24539550
Baked
>>24539521
What?

>>24539432
Crabs, trolls and massive assholes that can't get over how much they wish they were beatniks

>>24539521
Sometimes I miss noko.

>>24539472
>spoiler
Yeah I was kinda forcing it with having them essentially start in massive debt. The idea is that antimatter is a complete shit show to produce and arguably The most important "generic" material resource. Each containment bottle needs extremely thorough inspection and someone in a really long logistics chain fucked that up. But yeah I getcha

>My recommendations at this point would be to skim through "How to Write a Sentence," and to do a bit more editing for grammar and typos
Will do.

>I will say, the prologue is more of a chapter one, and your chapter one is probably a bit too long.
Yeah I wanted to get out *something* and then the rest got super long.

>I wasn't sure about the premise at first but you're making it work. Your characters are lovely, the multiple POVs worked well to give different views of the ship, and the setting out on an adventure was a decent hook.
Damn that's everything I was hoping for and more.
Thanks a ton man.
Really means a lot to me.