What makes Dostoevsky resonate so much with normie young people and why are they hardly ever influenced by his actual beliefs & worldview?

I hate whores so much.

>>24554016

>>24554022
I hate niggers so much.

>>24554012 (OP)
>>24554022
Jordan Peterson injected it into the collective unconscious by talking about it to normie zoomer men around 2016-2020, it spread from there and is now a signal among younger zoomers to say “look, I am sophisticated, see? I read this author you’ve vaguely heard of that you associate with complicated sophisticated shit”. Everything that zoomers post on social media is just a signal to other zoomers of how they wish to be perceived. Neither this stupid tattooed gutter whore nor the nigger give a fuck about Dostoevsky's beliefs nor worldview, they care about how they will be perceived by others for reading it. The actual reading is second to the accent it adds to their persona.

>>24554022
Russians dont be seasoning they literature.

>>24554012 (OP)
>>24554016
>>24554071
Do they 'take' Dostoyevsky from you? Do you lose anything when they read him?

I have no idea where this seethe comes from, but you need help.

>>24554022
alyosha said god bless him and protect him from his auntie

>>24554012 (OP)
>What makes Dostoevsky resonate so much with normie young people
He doesn't, they don't read him. Normie young people don't read or resonate with anything.

>and why are they hardly ever influenced by his actual beliefs & worldview?
Because they don't read him.

>>24554012 (OP)
>>24554022
Lol they never read it. Just larping . At most they read was a wikipedia summary

>>24554012 (OP)
Because he was made popular by the people's grifter Jordan Peterson. Also he resonates with christcucks because of low iq and shitty ideas.

>>24554012 (OP)
TikTok

>>24554347
>they don't read him because I said so
/lit/ motherfuckers think they come across like a self-aware, tortured Ivan but they really only amount to the most superficial layer of a Smerdyakov. I wouldn't even grant anons here the first impression of a Kolya or Rakitin

>>24554319
This is such a womanly thing to say. It's not about them taking away from yourself, it's simply one with deeper sensibilities does not wish to have a topic they care for be taken over by people with a vapid understanding. Once normies get hold of something, the conversation about said thing is controlled by them, and there is very little recourse for people to actually discuss said thing fulfilling outside of the vapid mainstream perception of said thing.
That being said, Dosto has always been consoomed by the masses so it's not really a new development but my point still stands, woman.

>>24554749
Stop upholding /lit/ like it's any benchmark of genuine passion, this board doesn't give a fuck about literature anymore
>eceleb threads
>twitter threads
>can't even head a passion project without it turning to gossipy garbage
>wojaks
This board hasn't proffered any substance of note for a good while, and retards like you contribute to its deterioration by believing it at all to be valuable. All emotion, no heart. Discussion here has less worth than a youtube comment section

>>24554749
Redditors and fags “want people to enjoy things.” Anyone intelligent would know the beauty in preserving the quality of something. Mass media and pop culture literally retards everything it touches.

>>24554012 (OP)
Who is she? I want to... hear what she has to say about literature...

picrel

>>24554022
This is like the stuff of nightmares. It's completely dystopian. Image some room temperature iq nigger interacting with one of the greatest literary works to ever be written. Dostoevsky had probably never seen a nigger in his life. He may not have even known that they existed.

>>24554012 (OP)
Dostoevsky resonates with angst ridden high schoolers. An adult who watches Love Island equates to a middle schooler, so they probably just think it makes them look “smart” and “edgy” reading it. What makes Dostoevsky resonate with normies is being able to post a tik tok about it and receiving 100k likes and impressing other normies who also pretend to like him.

>>24554012 (OP)
Do you expect everyone who reads Dostoyevsky to be an incel or something? He's a famous author. He's taught in high school.

>>24554749
unironically go outside and play

>>24554852
>Dostoevsky had probably never seen a nigger in his life. He may not have even known that they existed.
you are the only room temperature iq nigger here - dostoevsky literally adored pushkin who was part black

>>24554997
>He's taught in high school.
In what country?

>>24555013
USA

>>24555023
Really? Which subject? In Germany we don't really have a subject for world literature. In our German lessons we learn about German literature, in English English literature and in French or Latin the respective literature, but Dostoevsky wouldn't fit in any subject.

>>24554816
This. People believe this bastion oldguard fiction where they’re the ones preserving community quality while being completely blind to their own nest. Anything resembling literature on this board is usually some shitposty reductive quip or mocking people who make genuinely passionate and thought out posts.

>>24555026
In the US, high school "english literature" includes world literature in english and not just english authors. Crime & Punishment is most frequently taught I would say.

>>24554749
trying to gatekeep the classic fiction table at every barnes and noble is extremely funny to me.

>>24554012 (OP)

>>24555044
PhD student at University of Birmingham and a diagnosed dyslexic
Yasss queen, nothing can stop you.

>>24555013
I had to read Crime and Punishment for highschool, in Chile.

>>24555034
>>24555067
Nice, which subject was that in, Chile anon? Do you also read translations in Spanish literature?

>>24555052
>started a phd in classics while being dyslexic
>without even knowing
Fucking how. Are standards so low?
Maybe she heard the classics in audiobook...

>>24555068
Yeah, it was for the general (spanish) language and literature class. That year we also read Heart of Darkness and The Metamorphosis.

>>24554012 (OP)
I don't read him because I hate slavs and Orthodox Christianity and him being a zoomgroid magnet only confirms my feelings toward these two things.

>>24555069
U of Birmingham is a top 100 university as well.
The standards are abysmal.

>>24555052
>PhD student at the University of Birmingham
No one outside of England has any idea how much of a flex this isn't.

>>24554012 (OP)
No way normos are casually reading 800+ page books. Unless they’re just skimming.

>>24554071
yes. they're devoid of soul and everything is just a social signifier for them

>>24555341
The only Dostoevsky that zoomers actually read is White Nights which they’re obsessed with because 1. It’s short 2. It’s about unrequited romance which fits their generational ethos of stagnation, isolation, incapacity and weakness

>>24554022
Don't fucking hate this guy, his content is good and even though he is new to reading. He reads more than this fucking shithole of Americans and pricks. He at least starting delving into philosophy the proper way instead of reading Hegel and Kant first like Waldun and Betterthanfood plus a whole list of others.
This guy is alright

>>24554012 (OP)
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

>>24554012 (OP)
>>24554022
I would guess because it has the fame of "cultured."

Normies have no soul, they just chase status.

If they actually read it, maybe they like it cause he's a moralfag and kinda liberal?

>>24554319
>Do you lose anything when they read him?
Yes
>>24554816
>>24555030
/lit/ is the best place to discuss literature on the internet though, I dare you to name a better place

>>24555481
isolated? zoomers have like 50+ bodies

>>24554749
tsm, intelligent anon

>>24555052
>>24555069
>>24555276
>>24555090
Anons, universities stopped mattering when they stopped being elitist, before women were even allowed in them.

>>24554012 (OP)
normalfags have memed into thinking Dostoyevsky is the greatest thing since sliced bread

>>24555775
This is just not true by any metric. Boomers were BY FAR the most promiscuous generation and zoomers are the least. They're just addicted to porn and wearing revealing clothing

>>24554012 (OP)
Zoomzoom reporting in

I personally like dosto because he writes about malaise and social rot that feels relevant to the current zeitgeist. For example, the characters in demons are kind of caricatures but I still felt like they could be real political zealots living in Portland or Berkeley or some similar shithole. His works were prophetic imo

He’s not my favorite author but he’s pretty good. Also everybody loves the stereotype of le depressing russian lit le mysterious russian soul for some reason (I don’t think Russian lit is that depressing) but parroting this stereotype is hardly exclusive to zoomers.

>>24554012 (OP)
Glad to see Dostoevsky getting hate, I knew he was a hack since they made us read Crime & Punishment for school.

>>24556011
>malaise and social rot that feels relevant to the current zeitgeist
Yes but do you think the type of women in pic rel actually care about that

>>24554071
How do you know that?
You seem worse than them.
Excessively egotist, critical, and judgmental.
Get the beam out of your own eye.

>>24554071
How do you know that?
You seem worse than them.
Excessively egotistical, hypercritical, and judgmental.
Get the beam out of your own eye.

>>24554071
Zoomer here. Seems true. Most zoomers are very aware of perception, likely given the Internet's collective bipolar disorder. Whether they read it or not, most behavior is a performance designed to reinforce "in-group" membership.

>>24556430
maybe. Unpopular take here but ive met some pretty smart and chuddy women. I know a girl that transferred to west point who quite liked dosto and mccarthy and all the stereotypical "brolit" authors. Depends on what circles you're in tbqh

>>24556495
There are plenty of smart women, but i think that smart people are generally selected against when it comes to posting on the Internet.

>>24554852
Kill yourself, blacks trying to improve themselves is a good thing

>>24554012 (OP)
Women use depression as aethetic, as a mask

>>24554033
>>24554071
>>24554852
>>24555767
You're actually getting fired up enough to post about zoomers appropriating being intellectually curious for SM clout, spreading classic lit recs to billions via TikTok recommendations, some of which will genuinely read and replace their algorithm addiction with enlightenment, while your dumb racist ass is genuinely rebutting this possibly bad faith proselytizing with your racist logic, which will leave anyone tempted by it to the dregs of history in which only the gnashing timid reside.

>>24556567
wtf i love women now

>>24556582
This also seems true. Ultimately whether it is performative or not is largely unimportant. The proliferation of classic literature and the import of "intellectual" culture is likely an overall positive.

>>24556582
ooga booga bix nood

>>24554360
cope

>>24554852
seethe

I like domains of losers getting destroyed like that. only exception is video games, the demise of which I lament.

>>24554022

i don't know how to explain it but i know this woman is an anorexic, probably with bpd

>>24555871
Yeah it's almost all illusion. I think Klingsor's magical garden in some respects

>>24555341
There are harry potter books that are 800+ pages. You're not special for reading a regular length fiction novel.

>>24554022
The brothas karremsov

>>24554012 (OP)
The tokfu's are influenced by his worldview, they act exactly like all his female characters, exceedingly proud and self righteous. All his female characters are already tokfu's, just proud and mean and zero patience for weakness unless it's nurturing her own aggrandizement and penis envy

There's nothing wrong with zoomers reading and posting about it online.
>>24554012 (OP)
>>24554022
>>24554749
I'm sure both of these individuals have a genuine love and appreciation for Dostoevsky. Posting it on TikTok doesn't make it vapid

>>24557698
>Posting it on TikTok doesn't make it vapid
Posting something for the wolrd to see already makes it less sincere, as it is performative. Sure, she might love Dosto, but to act as if this tiktok is a mark of sincerity is retarded.

>>24557698
>There's nothing wrong with zoomers reading and posting about it online.
It depends: is it a zoomer male or a zoomer female?
If its the former then its fine for him to read and post what he reads online, if its the latter then its 99% a form of action in looking for social affirmation/jumping on hypetrain/fomo/attention-seeking/style over substance, because it happened before with video games, with classic cinema, and now (they're in here) classic literature. Just wait until this other sex discover nihilist literature and make it as 'omg im so ~ nihilist ~' and then nihilism becomes a trend and youll see celine novel with pastel color and 'as seen on tik tok' stamp on its cover

>>24557848
NTA but I doubt women would stomach Celine and main stream publishing try their absolute best to ignore him outside of his two big works. There was a whole jewish seethe in France when they discovered his unpublished manuscripts talking about how it's imoral to publish his work, regardless of context.

>>24557882
The Karens of Judaism may freak out, but honestly Céline was spiritually Jewish, as was TS Eliot. Both of these people are beloved by literary Jews. Céline's writing was carnal and vulgar. Philip Roth worshiped him.

>>24557882
I have got some of Celine's books recently. Is it actually good? Or just incomprehensible modernist slop?

>>24557901
Are they in French? He's a stylists so it doesn't translate.
>incomprehensible
No
>slop
It's ugly, it's "real life", so in a way its slop

>>24555514
probably reads more than the majority of /lit/ too, honestly.

>>24557906
What's his name?

>>24557901
Journey and Death on Instalment plan are kino. His later works become incomprehensible schizo modernism but they still have merit to them.
>>24557897
The average person isn't aware of T.S. Eliot's chuddism. They just like his poetry because it's good.

>>24557905
No, they're in German.

>>24557908
thoughtsofdante

>>24557905
>He's a stylists so it doesn't translate
>Manheim enters the thread

>>24557905
>>24557910
Is it as vulgar as that other anon said? I don't like reading vulgarities.

>>24557917
Not really. It's quite crass in places but I wouldn't describe it as vulgar, per se.

>>24557917
>>24557921
"Vulgar" is an unclear term
Dante is technically vulgar because of the language he used
What I mean is Celine was a person of very little spirituality. His art is the complete opposite of the famous antisemite, Wagner. And Celine's innovation was to write the way the people talked (and this music doesn't translate). If you're a denizen of 4chan, exposed to its vulgarities, it should be no problem

>>24557823
Fair but at least they are trying. I dont get lit. You retards ape when it seems no one reads anymore and chimp out when someone tries to encourage others. I dont have social media or tik slop but millions of other retards do. Its a start at least.

>>24557931
>"Vulgar" is an unclear term
Let me phrase it differently: I don't want to read about things piss, shit, fuck (and variations thereof) on every page. Is Celine the right writer for me?

>>24557910
In his greatest poetry (I don't care for his post-conversion stuff) Eliot used disgusting and seedy imagery in a way that hadn't been done before, or at least with such great skill and effect. Obviously Shakespeare or Baudelaire depict the gruesome aspects of life, but what Eliot did was different. I understand this may be hard to understand from our perspective
>Let us go then, you and I,
>When the evening is spread out against the sky
>Like a patient etherized upon a table;
is not
>Ainsi qu'un débauché pauvre qui baise et mange
>Le sein martyrisé d'une antique catin
Something like this had never been done before, and likely had a bad influence on the course of English (and least we could accuse it of this more easily than Eliot accuses Milton language and method)
You tossed a blanket from the bed,
You lay upon your back, and waited;
You dozed, and watched the night revealing
The thousand sordid images
Of which your soul was constituted;
They flickered against the ceiling.
And when all the world came back
And the light crept up between the shutters
And you heard the sparrows in the gutters,
You had such a vision of the street
As the street hardly understands;
Sitting along the bed’s edge, where
You curled the papers from your hair,
Or clasped the yellow soles of feet
In the palms of both soiled hands.

>>24554848
thats the exact kind of reasoning that fucked me completely. realized that pretty soon. Being performative is interwebbed into everything normal people do. I tried to escape it and realized that my vain attempt made me even more inauthentic than the rest. The only persons who are above something like that are people who are autistically devoted to something or homeless people rambling on public transportation. We atleast somewhat normal people are trapped and defined by social connections and prestige so ofcourse we want to elevate ourselfes without putting in work. The ony way i see out, is to accept that everyone is a bit inauthentic. But easier said then done and im addicted to opiates for several years now. And reading taoistic or buddhistic literature didnt help at all sadly. Could write more but you get the gist

>>24557944
>Journey
Yeah.
>Death on Installment Plan
You should probably give it a miss if you don't like piss, shit and fucking.

>>24557935
I didn't say anything against them reading, did I?? I always try to get my normie friends and normie gf into literature and try to start them off on the kind of books that I started off on, like Dosto, Camus, Kafka, etc.

>>24557982
What about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_(novel)

>>24557990
Haven't read it but it's his later work so likely going to be all over the place and likely very scatological.

>>24557981
Profound
You are ready to read Schopenhauer

>>24558032
any particular works you recommend?

>>24556791
ironic larp post or actually dumb fuck gay?

>>24558034
Probably do not start with World as Will but perhaps this
https://hmakse.ccny.cuny.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transcedent_Speculation-Arthur-Schopenhauer.pdf
or essays in here
https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.17417/page/n5/mode/2up
I say this because your insight is pure Schopenhauer, and one can only understand in books what one already knows. Despite the "pessimism" many find him consoling and he's right to understand the true reality as metaphysical

>>24554012 (OP)
I recently finished The Idiot, took me about a month and a half of reading at a casual pace to finish. I have no strong feelings about it or any lasting thoughts, other than Myshkin sucks and is indeed an idiot. I forget about it quite easily, no lasting impact.

>>24558101
“I have just now come from a party where I was its life and soul; witticisms streamed from my lips, everyone laughed and admired me, but I went away — yes, the dash should be as long as the radius of the earth's orbit ——————————— and wanted to shoot myself.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

>>24558101
thank you for that thought-out answer, i will check it out. Hope it will bring me closer to the light g0ytt

Nabby spammer, are you happy that there's currently 3 Dosto threads in the catalog?

>>24558121
>other than Myshkin sucks and is indeed an idiot
You didn't get it at all

>>24558692
I don't know who that is, but yes, I'm always happy about Dosto threads. He is the greatest writer to have ever walked this earth.

>>24558714
He's clearly not as is shown by his exploding popularity amongst fake depressed normies

>>24558742
>a certain group of people likes an artist
>that's proof that he's not the greatest of all time
Obscurity doesn't say anything about artistic merit and greatness.

>>24558749
Too melodramatic and didactic to reach the sublime

>>24557911
>No, they're in German.
Nta and I dont know the how good is celine book in german translation. But here's the introduction to 'War' that are translated to english in 2024
>a more radical approach, with all the
risks that it entails. The tone and style of the original vary considerably. Some passages are akin to what we find in Journey to the End of the Night, hard-hitting but grammatically fairly standard prose, commonly used when the author steps back from the narrative and imparts his granite truths about the world. There are also some snippets of lyrical prose, beautifully evocative and original passages. But most of the novel is written in substandard French. Céline nearly always drops the “ne” in negatives and the
“il” in “il fallait” and “il y avait”, uses the relative pronoun “que” instead of “qui”, reduplicates nouns with pronouns, uses “que” after question words, “avoir” as an auxiliary verb with reflexives, and so on. To replicate this each time it occurs with an equivalent substandard English expression is impossible. But one way to think about translation is that it is the act of imagining what someone would have said in the same situation in a different language. A sensible way of reproducing Céline’s style, therefore, is to introduce comparable substandard expressions throughout in English:
>double negatives, “ain’t”, “was” instead of “were”, “cos” for “because”, and so on. That way, the reader of the English text will have an experience that roughly parallels that of the French reading public.

>>24554012 (OP)
This is why I gatekeep Tolstoy instead

It’s not actually his writing. It’s just the aesthetic of the man as the author that they’re into.

>>24557698
A woman that watches Love Island cannot possibly have a sincere love and understanding for Dostoevsky. It is not possible. Stop deluding yourself.

>>24559989
Dostoevsky isn't a difficult writer who only profound people such as yourself can understand. It's not surprising that he should be popular. With someone such as Shakespeare on the other hand, and despite the popular cult, very few people actually qualified to appreciate him in full, or comprehend is merit as compared to other writers

>>24560001
This is nonsense. That's like saying a young man who watches porn cannot appreciate great literature. Or a woman who uses the bathroom cannot be beautiful

>>24560007
>That's like saying a young man who watches porn cannot appreciate great literature. Or a woman who uses the bathroom cannot be beautiful
It is absolutely nothing like either of those things, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>24554012 (OP)
Here's every Dostoevsky novel.
>Do I cum on this whore's tits... or do I not! Heh! Heh! Heh! Truly, I am a sick man, to even think of the fact of when I cum on the tits of a whore. Truly that is so. Yes, yes, it is. But to cum is to be divine. For didn't our Savior experience the fiery ecstasy when he was assumed into Heaven? And is that ecstasy, being that as it is, that good feeling, isn't that also itself cumming! Heh! To cum on a whore's tits would be most divine indeed if it were not for the fires of Hell. Oh were it not for Hell I would cum on a whore's tits! I am a disgusting vermin, like a rat, because fire is like flame. Yes, yes, it is, fire is like flame. And flame is hot. And so Hell is hot. But so is my cum when it goes out of my penis! Heh! Heh! To cum on a whore's tits... that is the same thing as going to Hell! And that is divine! Heh! I am such a delirious man... the heat from this summer's day makes me sweat like the day is made of fire... like Hell is made of fire. For even Christ's flesh burned when it was touched by the flame that is like hot fire, did it not? Yes, truly it did, yes. But did Christ cum on a whore's tits? To even think of saying a thing like that is horrible! To even think of saying a thing like that is blasphemous! But I am such a sick man... I am a disgusting creature... to cum! To cum like Hell! For that is a thing that happens to us sinners... Oh us wretched sinners! Oh us horrible, twisted people! Save us, save us Lord, save us from our fiery cum! And the whores! The whores will burn too! Heh! Heh! Heh!
Dostofags will tell you this is great literature.

>>24554816
>/lit/ like it's any benchmark of genuine passion
it's not, but it's not that popular, so it's ok to have authors like dosto here without defiling them
there are some obscure authors that are my faves that sometimes get posted here and I unironically get mad when I see that
things have their place and time

>>24555784
forget women, universities stopped mattering when they started allowing catholics, jews, and coloureds

>>24560049
You don’t think people have different parts of their personality that can be activated at different times. Look at you, defending high literature and swearing like a sailor. Does your radical maxim, absurdly insisted upon, apply to all reality TV? What’s unique about Love Island that makes it so indicative of a complete desiccation of the sensibility? Most likely, you’re insecure and are lying to yourself, and probably would enjoy Love Island yourself, and maybe secretly do already.

>>24560152
>catholics
That’s right. Catholics are as big a menace as the Jews

>>24554852
Dumbest post ITT

>>24560171
Some black guy, unlike almost all white guys, reads some books and likes them and anon freaks out. He doesn’t even understand Iq distribution. There are plenty of black people smarter than whites. You can only image how ugly/idiotic that guy is, unless he’s trolling. If so, good job, you made me laugh

>>24560164
Without jews in academia we would not have: Einstein, Bohr, Landau, Pauli, Haber, Teller, Cantor, von Neumann, Grothendieck, Rudin, Cohen, Wiener, Husserl, Freud, Strauss, Benjamin. Catholics have done less than chinks and jeets in science, math, and philosophy the last 150 years.

>>24560202
Catholics just whine all day muh Pope muh Pope muh Pope tradition values tradition. No one with this juveline framework is capable of accomplishing anything in culture in modern times. Mozart was a freemason

>>2456020
> Without jews in academia we would not have: Einstein, Bohr, Landau, Pauli, Haber, Teller, Cantor, von Neumann, Grothendieck, Rudin, Cohen, Wiener, Husserl, Freud, Strauss, Benjamin.
...And that's a good thing!
P.S. Nobody with a brain takes catholics seriously, not even other catholics. Easiest way to make a catholic seethe is to question why they venerate Mary to the status of Godhood

>>24554071
You should check out our stack/librarian threads next. Even in your answer I can see that you cared a lot about how you wanted to be perceived by your "peers" from a tranny site.

>>24557698
>Posting it on TikTok doesn't make it vapid
yes it does. posting on vapid central does make it vapid, because it's just done for status and image. like another anon said, it's performative.

>>24555013
https://youtu.be/ZHSsM6bawKs?si=P54uZzl69g1ZcI6D

>>24561785
The way Russians used names at that time is indeed fucking stupid. Every character has like 4. I'm not sure why translators didn't just give them the same name

>>24562119
they assumed you had a triple digit iq

>>24562119
>at that time
they still do you buffoon

>>24554749
Yeah, you're right. You've actually changed my mind about this so good job.

>>24562119
Elizabeth>Lisa>Betty
Alexandra>Alex>Lexie

>>24562119
>Every character has like 4
There's one name with a patronymic and also a number of affectionate or funny names since the way Russian suffix grammar works it allows you to have like 10 funny name variations
Sometimes shortened version of a name doesn't really sound like the full name it comes from but that you just have to accept as is

>>24555770
Wikipedia is a better place to discuss literature

>>24554012 (OP)
>What makes Dostoevsky resonate so much with normie young people
Makes introspection accessible to the masses.
>why are they hardly ever influenced by his actual beliefs & worldview
Because he is not the initiator of his own belief system.
You are supposed to read some Fedorov (picrel) for that.
It would be like reading the Divine Comedy and expecting you to become Christian because of it.

>>24556605
no

>you should work in the fucking mines lol
>there's plenty of money in the coal mines
>you'll make good money in the fucking coal mines haha

Was lady Kochlakov fucking with Dimitri on purpose? I always remember this exchange in particular because it made me laugh.

>>24554852
t. room temperature iq nigger

>>24557901
>>24557917
Celine speak frankly, that's why it's nice to read, and compared to many authors he had a life filled with action and adventure.
Death on instalment plan is about his youth and I found it to be hilarious.

>>24554012 (OP)
Because they don’t actually read him. /thread

>>24556582
Gay hands wrote this
>in which only the gnashing timid reside
Deplorable

NOOOOOOOOOO HOW DARE NORMIES CONSOOOOOOOM THE STUFF I CONSOOOOOOOOOM.
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT MY CONSOOOOOOOOMPTION?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

4chuds should start touching grass. there is nothing special about the stuff you enjoy. stop thinking you are some sort of elite nobleman with a sophisticated refined taste. everything you enjoy is slop. it's no better than other slop. you are just an autistic basement dweller who picks a few random interests that he think are niche enough to identify and social signal with in an attempt to feel special. you are literally no better than the tiktok girls you are mad about.

>>24566561
>stop thinking you are some sort of elite nobleman with a sophisticated refined taste.
I objectively am though

>>24566561
and this applies to everything, not only books. anime, music, movies, books, hobbies, operating systems, electronic devices ...etc... you enjoy none of them genuinely. if you did, you wouldn't care about the so-called "normies" starting to appreciate them (you would be happy about that in fact if you genuinely cared). you are just using them to social-signal and feel better.

everything shilled on 4chan is low quality slop. or mid at best. I haven't seen a single recommendation on 4chan that was in anyway better than any other recommendation found on the internet. even leddit is unironically better.

>>24566579
i genuinely enjoy reading niche literature on my ereader that runs arch linux btw

>>24554071
Good point, the more reasons why more people need to read Immanuel Kant’s Critique of pure reason and Critique of pure judgement. I agree that in most cases the phenomena is more understood than the noumena, although people naturally care more about the phenomena rather than the noumena, but I suppose that’s bc people are lazy and careless, but in general I agree more with Hegel, that the noumena CAN be understood if one invests in understanding it.

>>24566642
bait

>>24554012 (OP)
He's a YA author. Young Adults like YAslop.

Can you guys at least point to the beliefs and worldview that Dosto writes about that zoomers like myself are seemingly missing? Because what Dostoyevsky writes about aren't exactly that hard to uncover. So if the point is that zoomers don't actually read Dostoyevsky, then sure, I'll probably give you that, but that claim is hard to substantiate. But Dostoyevsky isn't a hard author to understand, he's just a test of endurance. I love TBK, and Dostoyevsky is rich in thought. But he genuinely is not that hard.

>>24566874
>Degenerate without any thoughts or internal monologue trying expressing himself

>>24554012 (OP)
Dostoevsky was always normie-core, anyway.
By the way, tiktok (and rednote) has replaced instagram (and tumblr) as an aesthetic social media. You would find the same kind of posts in instagram and tumblr 10 years ago. TT has just more reach because of the algorithm

>>24554012 (OP)
holy poser