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>>24606312
@grok is this true?

>>24606280
>The Bloodstone Emperor was the legendary ninth and last ruler of the mythic Great Empire of the Dawn. He was the son of the Opal Emperor and the younger brother of the Amethyst Empress, who succeeded their father. Envious, he slew his sister and proclaimed himself the Bloodstone Emperor!

>>24606280
Hate this whiny fag. Stars in one capeslop movie and thinks he’s the definitive asian star.

>>24605734
Dumb as shit, Catelyn is also dumb as rocks.
>muh knights of summer
His strategy is damn near perfect. Starve off Kingslanding while feasting on their lands incomes while losing the least amount of men. You can't plan that your brother who is weaker is every possible way will fuck a priestess to summon a daemon to kill you. It's just the author showing his hand on the plot same as the Blacksmith who called Renly
>Copper
That blacksmith would have no idea what Renly is since he only saw him when was like 6 years old. I don't even like this raging faggot but it's obvious Renly is a better choice, and can more swiftly take the throne and bring the kingdoms together.

At the end of the day it's just the author rearranging the landscape to support the Lannisters; which I don't mind cus Jaime's my boi. I just think it's too obvious.

>>24606616
>His strategy is damn near perfect. Starve off Kingslanding while feasting on their lands incomes while losing the least amount of men.
Not lending the Starks and Tullys any support in the Riverlands against the Lannisters is the reason that they both declared independence and broke away from the Iron Throne.

>>24606627
Why would he? Let them fight the Lannister's and exhaust their strength so they'll bend once he's taken Kingslanding. Either way he wins and doesn't diminish his own forces.

Plus puts even further pressure on Tywin, does he rush back and defend the city or abandon them and return to the Rock.

>>24606556
He's in the running for being cast as Aegon the Conqueror

>>24606627
Renly would have combined forces of Reach, Stormlands and Crownlands+Dragonstone and possibly Westerlands to take Riverrun later on and Robb wouldn't do shit. Getting the North back in probably unrealistic anyways.
>>24606616
>That blacksmith would have no idea what Renly is since he only saw him when was like 6 years old
That happens often and I've wondered if it's George pushing his ideas of characters or just characters basically gossiping based on reputations.

>>24606616
Would half of the bad shit that happened to non-Lannister people have happened if Catelyn hadn't acted like a woman?

>>24606616
>It's just the author showing his hand on the plot

Indeed, GRRM gets Renly's strategy right, then has everybody shit on the character for doing the right thing. He does the same with Edmure.

>>24606745
What?

>>24606627
>they both declared independence and broke away from the Iron Throne.

Had things gone as Renly planned, (i.e. him not getting killed by a magic shadow babby) the Riverlands and North would have returned to the fold, even if it meant Renly _granting_ Robb the title of King in Norf (while declaring himself Emperor or something).

>>24606755
>Renly
>clearly Orys

>>24606745
But woman are rational creatures.

>>24606806
women are the niggers of gender

>>24606768
I don't know why no one ever just made the North a Principality or something and made it utterly in charge of The Wall so that the Kingdom could stop wasting money on it.

>>24606312
I ain't reading all that

>>24606627
It would have been better to send token support in hopes that they would say MUH HONOR and back him even if it was a losing bet, but a siege is generally the right call against a place like King's Landing.

>>24606768
show fanfiction to make Renly look better, in the books he tells Catelyn that he's going after Robb once he takes King's Landing just like Stannis does

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24606706
It’s still dumb and creates a problem for later. Renly’s main purported grievance was with the Lannisters, at least why he justified crowning himself, but then he sits around and does nothing while two of his (future) vassals are fighting the Lannisters.

>but he wants his enemies / competition to tire themselves out
He’d have won himself the loyalty of the North and Riverlanders. They’re not even competition at this point, and were even wondering how they could ignore Stannis being the rightful heir so they could throw in with Renly since he had the larger army to help them against the Lannisters.

Instead, he showed the Northerners and Riverlanders they needed to fend for themselves.

>>24606616
Renly very clearly didn't give a shit about ruling and would have just been Robert 2.0, tending to his own amusement while leaving the kingdom bankrupt (only at least Robert could handle the military side of things, while Renly was reliant on people like Tarly and Rowan). We've been on the Small Council, we know that only Stannis, Jon Arryn (later Ned) and Varys gave a shit about actually ruling.

>At the end of the day it's just the author rearranging the landscape to support the Lannisters; which I don't mind cus Jaime's my boi. I just think it's too obvious.
You're right, the dude with the largest army at the start should just have won, that would have made for a much better story.

>>24606861
Also of all the people in Westeros they were probably most prepared to by default

>>24606861
Robbs forces and the Tully's keep Tywin's main force occupied. They are going to bend to Renly no matter what, George's numbers for the Reach are hilariously OP. Like over a 100000 men.

Renly cannot lose unless it's a daemon baby. He doesn't have to do any poultry support of them.

>>24606917
Renly says his whole army was 100k, which everyone thinks is an exaggeration and it's more like 80k (which includes the Stormlands as well as the Reach).

>>24606915
Except the author foreshadows his death too blatantly
>har har knights of summer these guys are totally gonna lose, lol dumb arrogant young men
It's really over the top desu on rereads. More to point, why is his brother so pathetic and weak? Why does he have like 4k men tops? He knew about the conspiracy with the Lannister's and that's all he come up with? The power disparity between these brothers is comical.

>>24606938
>George is terrible with numbers
I know but the numbers the Reach pulls out of it's ass makes no sense compared to all of the other Kingdoms either.

Also Renly isn't not doing anything, he's cutting off supplies to the city. Feasting on the crops and getting more and more support. The Tullys and Stark forces are like small sideshows.

>>24606948
Feudalism, you can only count on your vassals and however many mercenaries your treasury can afford.

>>24606644
I hope that's not true. GOT is definitively dead if they do that.

>>24606967
The Florents are too small, Stannis's vassal's are very weak. Plus honestly, the switch over for Renly's forces to Stannis shouldn't been a bit more brutal.

I say this, and I absolutely love ACOK.

>>24606938
>>24606962
With the numbers they supposedly have, the Reach should already be ruling the other six kingdoms.

>>24606830
>he tells Catelyn that he's going after Robb

He says he will IF Robb doesn't bend the knee, though he'll let him keep his title if that's what it takes.

Renly was by far the best choice as king, not just because his army guaranteed he take the Iron Throne but because he was the smartest and most even handed of the claimants.

>>24606962
The westerlands can field 35k at the start of the story (20k with Tywin + 15k with Jaime), plus more training at Oxcross with Stafford.
With the Reach being one huge fertile plain it isn't crazy for them to have 50-55k, combined with the Stormlands' 25-30k.

>>24606861
>he sits around and does nothing while two of his (future) vassals are fighting the Lannisters.

Two of his (possible) future opponents are fighting a third opponent.

>>24606208 (OP)
Why did the show cuck out of the Others so hard? After the pilot prologue, they stopped being scary and turned into generic ice zombies thereafter. If finished, I hope George doesn't fuck them up. The legacy of ASOIAF matters so much on how these are handled.

>>24606809
You blame them for all your problems?

>>24606981
Stannis's vassals are Driftmark, a bunch of small islands and the tip of Massey's Hook. Compare sizes.

>>24607015
DnD hated the magic, got in the way of their gritty realism

>The old thread is still up and not even close to bump limit
>Make new one
To what purpose?

>>24607044
as a relatievly new browser to /lit/ specifically, it is not free of attention seeking tards who like sliding threads and the "prestige" of being op on an anonimoooses image board. im suprised there arent more tripfags here.

>>24607044
Either you miscounted or you don't know what bump limit means.

>>24607044
>Trusting modern attention deficit people who watched the GOT show to not bump a thread out of the same impatience that led the show away from political intrigue to battle after battle...

>>24607044
bump limit isn't 500 outside of /v/ my dear newfriend

>>24607015
>>24607039
George writes black boxes then pushes them aside when he gets bored of them. The Other's are a perfect example, he sets up an interesting antagonist then tosses them aside to talk about Ser Fuckwit from House Fuckall meeting Ser POV.

George's magic writing is thin asf, and I'm not surprised DnD ignored most of it.

>>24606641
>>24606706
>>24606917
>>24607007
Probably would've been in his own best interests to not let Lannisters turn the centre of the continent into smoking desolate ruin but what do i know.

>>24607072
Ironically enough, while I believe the show writers are indeed hacks, what can you do when the man who writes the setting might not have made up what you have to depict?

>>24607080
I was thinking this yesterday in regard to Young Griff and his omission from the show. Perhaps the same for Lady Stoneheart. People give D&D shit for these, but the George man himself wrote basically nothing for them. They could've come up with their own stories for them, but that seems more like a burden George left at their doorstep than a new direction for the narrative.

>>24607077
Shut up Tully faggot, you''ll respawn at full Pop.

>>24605395
>Muh lion doesn't care
This cope line did irreparable damage to the series discourse. Tywin was a seething bitch to the end.

>>24607104
How's Oxcross doing you cuck?

>>24607097
They forced Arya and Cersei into the roles left vacant by the omission of Lady Stoneheart and Faegon.

>>24607132
Recovered. Just like the Young King's head!

>>24605937
>restored the name of house Lannister
And ruined it all over again by his sacking of the surrendering city.
>the Realm prospered when he was Hand of the King
>the Realm declined when he stopped being the Hand
Care to remember the circumstances that led to his resignation? Oh yeah, he threw a tantrum after Aerys deprived him of his heir and then run away like a bitch instead of opposing the king in any way.
>why kill 10 thousand men on the battle field when you can kill a few dozen at dinner
This cope again. He was killing civilians by the thousands and the Red Wedding killed a lot more than a dozen.
>and not be blamed for it
Everyone knew who to blame for the Red Wedding.

>>24607097
>>24607143
Stoneheart is a great example of George dropping the ball on a character, he shows the Brotherhood turning a darker note on Ep POV in ASOS, and then basically ignores them until the very last chapter of Brienne.

He had Brienne bubbling about like a retard for 8 long ass chapters instead of writing Brienne alongside the new Brotherhood rekting shit and being evil. It would've been such a good POV to contrast Arya with Brotherhood.

Stoneheart is a big nothingburger character.

>>24606984
Lannisters have turned all their bannermen into their bitches, compare that to the Reach where Hightowers are stronger 1v1. They even lost their Stark/Lannister equivalent and everyone claims to be their descendant.

>>24607178
brienne chapters are some of the best and show a different side of westeros from a unique perspective. Broken man speech, nimble dick, and the chivalrous knight showing he actually respects brienne despite well trusted heuristics showing the nature of most women, showing that even in these dark times there are men who act out of a sense of chivalry and the code, he acts more ruthless than he really is. Stoneheart is shit though.

>>24607175
>Everyone knew who to blame for the Red Wedding.
Yep, the Boltons and Freys. Tywin merely took advantage of something that was already happening.

>>24607200
>the chivalrous knight showing he actually respects brienne
Who would that be?

>>24607202
Yet everyone and their nuncle placed the blame at Tywin's feet

>>24607209
George's jewish writing + everyone is a retard; both in universe and without.

>>24607200
You can write that into Jaime's story, he does very little except be bitter and take a castle. I love his chapter's but Brienne's meandering undermines Stoneheart as a villain and is why I don't take any complaints about the show excluding her seriously. She's a non character.

>>24607209
Problem is that in a war, typically whoever benefits is blamed. The Jews were blamed for Germany failing to win WW1.

>>24606861
Good points... maybe you could argue that he should have rushed to KL to crown himself as soon as possible, and then get to taking care of Tywin, now with more power and legitimacy (and hostages). With his strategy, he would still eventually get to the weakened Lannisters and putting Tywin's head on a spike next to Joffrey's would buy him a lot of favors in both kingdoms. But yes, less love and loyalty and maybe even some resentment for waiting so long. His original plan seems more risk averse to me, because getting the North and Trident on his side after beating Lannisters would be no guarantee.

>>24607244
But a quasi-medieval world cannot be susceptible to the same sort of propaganda.
People blame Tywin because he is the sort of person that would break guest rights. He earned a reputation for cruelty and savagery.

>>24607218
>Gives Freys Riverlands and marries them around to Lannisters
>Gives the North and Winterfell to Boltons, marries Ramsey to fake Arya
Woah, why would anyone suspect that Tywin had something to do with it??

>>24607260
River run, not lands*

>>24607224
shes one of my favorites, though i do wish jaime got many more chapters. Cut out dorne chapters of the cunt crying for hundred pages and whining about wanting revenge for dorne, could've been done in 30 pages.

>>24607254
>cannot be susceptible to the same sort of propaganda
False. Easy targets have been blamed for difficulties since Sumeria and probably for thousands of years before them. In a country as small as Westeros it's not going to take a lettered scribe to be like, "hey Tywin's enemies all died when they were most vulnerable, I bet he benefited."

The rate of spread would be far less exponential in a non-electrified/non-telegraph society, but...Westeros is like Great Britain sized. It only takes three months for a slow walker to walk the UK from bottom to top.

>>24607288
>Westeros is like Great Britain sized
It's South America size.
George is bad with scale

>>24607254
>because he is the sort of person that would break guest rights
But he didn't. It wasn't his guest right nor his allegiance to break.
>>24607244
>The Jews were blamed for Germany failing to win WW1.
Correctly so. Same with jews subverting the Confederacy of America and Apartheid South Africa. Never put self-preserving foreign vermin into power.
>>24607260
Nope. Never said Tywin had nothing to do with it. Merely the proposition was presented to him by the Boltons and Freys and he greenlit it. As anyone would've done. Robb's fault allowing such treason to occur in the first place.

>>24607224
>>24607178
You must be one of those people who want the monster in their monster movies to be on-screen at all times, always.

>>24607309
/pol/faggotry mist be a bannable offence.

>>24607338
crying about le boogeyman should be a bannable offense

>>24607338
*must

>>24607342
Why are you repeating what i've just said?

People liking Tywin or finding him admirable is unironically an example of
>You missed the point by idolising him
And i say it as someone who hates that tranny reddit nonsense.

>>24607178
>Filtered by Brienne's chapters
Absolute midwittery

>>24607357
Im gonna cum on my screen and pretend its you to humilliate you

>>24607374
Or perhaps it's nice to see a strong leader who gives a shit about his people for once. Living in the modern West every leader I've seen in my lifetime has been subject to corporations and jews. Tywin cares not just for the Westerlands, but the greater realm. Had Aerys recognised this, Tywin would've crushed Robert's Rebellion at the start - something even Jon Connington realised.

Most of Tywin's defeats have been due to plot armour. Such as Robb's battlefield victories and Tyrion's assassination of him. Although I am holding out hope that Tyrion is correct in that he really is Tywin writ small and takes over Casterly Rock. That's the only condition I'll be happy to see a Valyrian return to power over Westeros.

>>24607409
>who gives a shit about his people for once
He gives a shit about the Lannister name, his legacy and the perception others have of him.

He destroyed two ancient noble lines because his feelings were hurt.
He abused his son because the very notion of having a dwarf with the Lannister men made him seethe to monumental levels.
He ordered the rape and murder of a woman and her little children because she married the guy he wanted for his daughter.

>>24607409
If you were to live under his role you would probably be a random peasant he brutalizes or throws into the meat grinder of the pointless war he started.

>>24607425
>his role
*rule

>>24607299
>South America size
How the fuck before wired communications can anyone rule that much territory, even with vassals?

>>24607435
its not like they really rule or control much directly. the lords pay their taxes and lend their levies if necessary.

>>24607435
Spaniards managed to do it, even ruling from a different continent

>>24607425
Or you could ride with the Mountain like all the cool kids.

>>24607439
The problem is, the larger the territory, the more likelihood someone can ignore or laterally interpret your orders.
Imagine the difficulty in ruling say, Rhode Island, a small territory, versus ruling Pennsylvania.

>>24607435
George didn’t really stop to think about it but also their ravens are literally magic.
>send a raven from King’s Landing to the Wall, a distance that most birds don’t even fly for their yearly migration?
>psshh yeah no problem at all

>>24607416
>He destroyed two ancient noble lines because his feelings were hurt.
It was to restore his house's rule over his realm after it has been weakened by his pathetic father. There have no internal issues of that magnitude in the Westerlands since.
>He abused his son because the very notion of having a dwarf with the Lannister men made him seethe to monumental levels.
Definitely a con of his character, he should've embraced Tyrion. But a large reason his malignment of Tyrion was because his birth caused the death of Tywin's wife. Unfortunate situation all around. But Tywin did still care for Tyrion at times, not enough, but he wasn't completely against him.
>He ordered the rape and murder of a woman and her little children because she married the guy he wanted for his daughter.
If he did indeed order it, it was to demonstrate to Robert Baratheon that he was on his side. And it's not like the Targs hadn't hurt the Lannisters long before then. Still, I would've had Gregor and Amory capture all three and bring them to Robert. That would've got the point across still. Another mistake, but that's how it happens.
>>24607425
One of my favourite things about reading the earlier ASOIAF novels was reading about the War in the Riverlands from the table of the Lannister commanders. I'd have loved to burn the treasonous Riverlands with my Westerbros. That war, of which, was started by them and the North. You can argue for the North with the death of Ned, but the Riverlands had no excuse.
>>24607445
Basado.

>>24607446
well, it doesnt seem like a very stable place

>>24607445
I wonder if the Mountain's Men were inspired by D-Gang.

>>24607445
>ywn burn down a village with Polliver and the Tickler

>>24607448
Also no one's shooting those birds down on the regular to see what the message was.
Just because it's flying north doesn't mean it's headed to the wall, after all.

>>24607480
The Brave Companions are probably more apt

>>24607409
People have already made it clear that Tywin didn't give a shit about anyone, I'll just add that he was also a scheming, trecherous backstabber, as shown by the sack of KL and his dealings with Sybelle Spicer and Walder Frey. He was what you'd call "da joo" in those circumstances.

>>24607480
>Boomer Juice edited in
Nice
So, while Game of Thrones is nice stuff, what else is there to read that is in the same vein but not written by George?

>>24607409
>Most of Tywin's defeats have been due to plot armour.
Nigga most of his wins were due to plot armour or Roose throwing the fight.

>>24607523
Maurice Druon's Accursed Kings, it's about the last Capetian kings

>>24607513
Honestly, embodying the spirit of the Eternal Jew for the betterment of the realm is a necessary evil. Shame that we have to sink that low, but whatever Social Darwinism calls for is what we must do.

>>24607529
Incorrect. Robb could've easily won once or twice due to being underestimated, but it soon became pathetic how he never lost. Tywin has experience and the means to win, which is why he did when he did. As for the Green Fork, Tywin didn't necessarily win that, as Roose wasn't fighting it to win, but to be a ploy. Roose didn't "throw" the fight because he did what he had to, which wasn't to win per se.

>>24607529
What the FUCK do you mean you can't just steamroll the Riverlands in two weeks while barely losing any troops?

>>24607529
Most of the interactions in Game of Thrones only work due to plot armor, especially in the show.

>>24607529
>Roose throwing the fight
Roose threw no fights. He was loyal until loyalty was an obstacle.
All he did was keep his own men in the back.

Duskendale was his disloyal action.

>>24607538
Roose was engaging in some military-grade jewry in that battle if you read through the lines
>march his troops through the night only to stop a mile away from Lannister camp
>order them to abandon the high ground and charge on foot at armored knights
>hold back Bolton forces while spending his rivals
>possibly fire arrows at both Westermen and Northmen

>>24607559
I think it's mostly George not understanding battle tactics and the like.

Pretty sure he has gone on record to say Roose was fighting to win.

>>24607562
What good is a series that takes so many years if the author can't read even basic medieval battle treatises...

Can someone tell me how the fuck GRRM is going to finish ASOIAF in just 2 books? Dany isn't even in Westeros yet.

>>24607674
He's not. Or the book will be so massive that the Orthodox Study Bible (a book nearly two thousand pages long in the printing I have) will feel light.
I am, of course, assuming in good faith that he isn't just going to leave it unfinished.

>>24607711
I think (hope) he'll finish TWOW but unless he's edited his initial plan of Danys invasion being Act II we'll never see the end of the series.

>>24607717
I'm sorry to say, and I know that it's poor form to have no faith as a religious man, that I have no faith in George to finish. He can just publish another spinoff. Maybe how the Starks founded their kingdom. Or Tywin as a lad crawling his way up.

>>24607717
No, it'll be an orthodox study bible of Dany's asshole after shitting like the Nile river. He decided decades ago he has no idea where the story is going.
>>24607547
This, Ramsay is also in iron clad plot armor.

>you now remember that the cope from the fandom (for at least a decade) was “we’re getting Winds for sure but probably never getting Spring”
Now even reddit admits that we’re probably never getting Winds either.

>>24607748
I think it's one or the other: George has already finished the series, or we're never going to see a completed Winds.

>>24607674
Dany will have to abandon every single effort and change she's tried to do on Mereen if she's to return next book.

If the Mereenese knot guy is right, then that's what will happen.

what does /grrm/ think of the dunk & egg novels?

>>24607813
I really like them, honestly think them better than much of the mainline series. My biggest gripe is like with all GRRM char depictions, in that the "bad guys" are very shallow. most people are, i guess, but in my stories i would prefer more intelligent perspectives.

>>24607830
i've read the first two and am currently going through the third
the first one is great from start to finish, the second is excellent (i greatly enjoyed the blackfyre rebellion stuff as well as the romance between dunk and that lady) until the weak ending
the third one is great so far, i really enjoyed the detail of the feast on the night before the jousting
still, saying that they are better than much of the mainline series is too much

Give it to me straight bros... is George at least gonna give us Winds before his watch is ended?

>>24607868
He's going to die first.
We'll get Winds of Winter 'written from his notes'

>>24607873
I just want to read the end of the Northern Conspiracy/Stannis.
Stanny and the North are my favorite parts and everything else we know the end too cause of the show (cept Euron)

Remember the 6 million ratcatchers

So what are the "broad strokes" from the show that are probably in the book?

Alright, /GRRM/. What is the cheekiest thing the fat man can say regarding his unfinished work before expiring?

>won't be able to go and record george's "I'm sorry but I just haven't finished Winds yet" talk at Bubonicon this year

I'm sorry anons

>>24607538
>Roose wasn't fighting it to win, but to be a ploy.
The ploy never required Roose to actually engage Tywin in battle. In fact, what gave the plan away is the prisoners that the Lannisters got from that battle. If not for the fight, it probably would've taken several more days before Tywin figured out that Jamie was getting attacked.

>>24608763
What do you mean by cheekiest?

You guys got any cool art? Pls no gay tumblr-tier drawings

>>24608763
He already had his blogpost meltdown

>>24609249
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>>24609249
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>>24609285
just kidding mate

>>24609317
Why dont the hightowers want control of the entire reach? They gotta be a lot richer and noble than the tyrells

>>24609369
Nigga they control the citadel, the starry sept and the high tower. They control most of westeros.

>>24609376
yeah they got a bunch of behind the scenes influence everywhere n shit but why not take the entire reach to go along with it. I thought the tyrells were stewards or whatever. A nobody house. Surely the hightowers could have snatched the kingdom and not the fuckin tyrells

>>24606616
>His strategy is damn near perfect.
Tyrells would not poison him the moment Margaery gets visibly preggers (by someone else) because?..

Nigger legitimately brought nothing to the table aside from homosex and objectively shoddy (Stannis is older) blood claim, which gets further invalidated by homosex.

Stannis is still cringe for murdering him with hag sex juju, but King Renly is some Viserys III shit.

>>24606641
Renly:
>"Why would I cooperate with Starks and Tullys?"
Also Renly:
>"NED THEY ARE GOING TO KILL ROBERT AND SEIZE THE THRONE NED HELP ME I REQUIRE YOUR COOPERATION NED ARE YOU LISTENING NEEEEEEEEEED"

>>24609389
cool as fugg

>>24609386
>they already control everything
>why not paint a bigger target on your back?
>>24609392
yeah Maegor is kino

the bigger target isn't THAT much bigger if everyone knows your name anyway. Whats there to lose

>>24609411
>feminine passive aggression

>>24609411
meant to reply to you >>24609394 of course

>>24609411
>>24609416
>Whats there to lose
A whole lot of men, resources and money

>>24609394
>yeah Maegor is kino
Aside from malformed sterile genitals, that is.

>>24609443
oldtown nigger spotted

>>24609447
I am not in fact Oldtown kikes are cringe total hightower death but Maegor is specifically to blame for their extensive influence which he directly caused by his turbo spergouts. If he didn't go full retard the oldtown kews would not have gained nearly as much power as they did.

Also he did have mutated blood bean of a dick, opposing oldtown kikes does not fix that.

>>24609526
>not an oldtown nigger
>repeating oldtown nigger lies

>>24608763
>His last act before his death, all accounts agree, was to set out his will. And in it, he left the bitterest poison the fandom ever knew: he legitimized all of his fanfiction, from the most base slashfic to the Great Theories—the schizoposts born to him by men of noble mind. Scores of his fan writers had never been acknowledged; GRRM's dying declaration meant naught to them. For his acknowledged fan writers, however, it meant a great deal. And for the fandom, it meant blood and fire for five generations.

>>24609486
What poisoned Balerion in Valyria?

>>24609618
He probably drank or ate something that had blood monster worms in it

>>24606208 (OP)
Nice art. I am still torn on whether they had actual ice spiders, or if they just mashed wights together to form multi limbs monstrosities. Both would be cool.

>>24609654
>I am still torn on whether they had actual ice spiders
We will literally never find out, dont worry about it

>>24609486
:(

Balerion was the oldest thing in the world and the only thing to remember Valyria.

>>24609620
Those were either firewyrms or some sort of blood magic experiment gone wrong. It would be fucked up if wyrms were actual worms/parasites, but it would make some sense as to why dragonriders seem to be symbiotic with their dragons. A leftover or repurposed symbiotic trait, perhaps.

>>24609658
>Balerion was the oldest thing in the world and the only thing to remember Valyria.
Yes and his death has had the context completely stripped leading to retards claiming dragons croak at ~250 when there's no proof whatsoever of that being the case.
>>24609658
>Those were either firewyrms or some sort of blood magic experiment gone wrong.
Yeah and odds are they attacked/got into Balerion when he flew to Valyria.

Fuck the faggot dragons and fuck the faggot Targaryens
If I was Robert I would construct a great privy made of dragon and targ bones in an unholy mockery of aegons throne so I could shit on their memory

post some calendars in the honour of the 2026 one being released

>>24609685
tower nigger seething about lizards again

its a shame that we do not have a torrent or any uploads in libgen for all the calendars released to date

google is lobotomised, cannot find the entire sets

>>24609658
>Balerion was the oldest thing in the world
*laughs in the sound of cracking ice*

Now that it's been confirmed Gurm is writing more Dunk and Egg and the dogshit blood and fire book how are you coping

>>24609869
Where?

If true, I’m not surprised. The heart of the issue is laziness and procrastination, so I’m not superior he’s taking the lazy out way by writing borderline fan-fiction and short stories.

>>24609869
if it has been confirmed, i for one would be happier, there are more chances that the finishes off dunk and egg and fire and blood 2 than he does twow and ados, we have seen his intermittent posts of working on winds since 2011, might as well work on something that can actually be finished

iirc, he has stated that he would require 8-9 books for dunk and egg proper, 3 are down, of the remaining 6;

1. in riverlands - pennytree - the village hero
2. winterfell - she-wolves of winterfell
3. can be set along the wall or the western shore - perhaps around shadow tower
4. in vale - gulltown or one of the castles nearer to the mountain tribes
5. the stormlands - dunk vs the laughing storm
6. summerhall

this would leave unexplored westerlands, dorne
and crownlands, he has already covered stories set in

border of stormlands and reach
border of reach and west
border of river and crown
and it will end with the border of stormlands and dorne

>>24606208 (OP)
Every week if not every day there’s this thread. For what purpose?
Nobody disputes the books never being finished anymore.

Imagine going back to the 90s to inform them this series is a dead end that grinds to a halt and chokes on plot points to nowhere. Imagine the manhours of theorizing and fan sperging saved. They could have invested in a series that would actually be finished and matter. The world is a bit improved by this shift in the timeline.

And yet knowing the futility, you people sit here each week. The fags on reddit also. The same shit discussed over and over. Sunk cost fallacy.

>>24609837
Let’s be real here. They probably shatter when they turn a certain age.

>>24609660
>Yes and his death has had the context completely stripped leading to retards claiming dragons croak at ~250 when there's no proof whatsoever of that being the case.
A similar case of morons assuming that the children of the forest are immortal, when the books quite literally state they live around 200~ years, or something like that. The way they describe their race is as though they aren’t supposed to be immortal. They are few, with long lives, and that’s it.

>>24609660
>Yeah and odds are they attacked/got into Balerion when he flew to Valyria.

Aerea was at Valyria with Balerion for nearly a year, right? It’s possible that she encountered something horrific at the end of her stay. She may have survived off of things she shouldn’t have. Who knows.

It’s possible Balerion fought some giant abomination, or firewyrm, but we can’t exactly be sure. Maybe Balerion tried protecting Aerea from whatever killed her in the long run.

If fire wyrms can bore through stone they can probably bore through people. Aerea likely came across baby fire wyrms—and got attacked by a bigger one, which then got into a fight with Balerion.

Okay but do firewyrms actually have “faces” and “hands” or do they get that from being inside human/ and stealing their genetic traits like the xenomorphs from the Alien franchise?

>>24609708
How did they get all the way up there to hang the banner?

>>24609923
Name another piece of fiction worth investing my time in to

>>24610002
ladder

>>24610012
damn

>>24609707
You can be banned for saying the N-word, you know.

>>24609317
Where do they hide the mechs?
I know the death ray is at the top of the Hightower, but where are the mechs?

>>24609387
>Poison Renly
Why would they? They firmly have him in their pocket, retarded logic.
>Nigger legitimately brought nothing to the table aside from homosex and objectively shoddy (Stannis is older) blood claim, which gets further invalidated by homosex.
Faggotry aside, he brought together the Stormlands and the Tyrells and amassed one of the largest armies in the 7 kingdoms. Charisma, looks, ability to form connections and leading from the front is basically everything Renly is. Have you ever had a leadership position before?

>>24609708
The Iron Throne art we get from the books is my favorite and really makes the show's iron throne into an insult.

I especially like how this one shows the blood flowing from Rhaenyra's arms, showing the throne's "rejection" of her

>>24610255
>art looks better than live action adaption
Holy shit we got a genius over here, I could point the same thing out in almost any adaption that's ever existed. You also use your imagination to fill in gaps.

It's the same like reason like the two unfinished garbage books George put out, they fill up the story with their imagined ways that it will go. Not questioning why he broke off into too unmanageable tangents.

>>24610255
>The Iron Throne art we get from the books is my favorite

While I'll agree the Iron Throne in the tv show was meh, the throne we get in ASOIAF art is _way_ to big and would have been really awkward.

KING: "and so I decree..."
EVERYBODY: "what?"
KING: "I said, I decree..."
EVERYBODY: "your grace, we can't hear you way down here."
KING: "I DECREE THIS THRONE IS WAY TOO FUCKING BIG!"

>>24610348
Maybe the throne room has great acoustics.

>>24606208 (OP)
can I get some old art
preferably pre show and the older the better

>>24610194
Beneath the seven shrines, obviously. Seven mechs for seven sins.

>>24610666
>Seven mechs for seven sins.
Thus Satan has spoken.

So does the weirwood sap just look like Blood or what do we think it is

>>24610957
I think it's just dark sap, I assume the weirwood tree magic is something the children put in the tree when carving the faces, not that the trees are inherently magical.

>>24610749
Lord Satan that is.

>>24611045
reminds me of this for some reason

>>24606706
>That happens often and I've wondered if it's George pushing his ideas of characters or just characters basically gossiping based on reputations.
I think it's the former, gossip can't travel the seven kingdoms that quickly. He uses it more to implant an idea in the readers head imo.

>>24611118
who in asoiaf?

>>24607513
>>24607538
Jew this, Jew that. No wonder Jews looks down you on you racists goys.

>>24611133
Even if it did travel the Seven Kingdoms quickly, it'd travel in warped form. If you've ever played telephone, imagine it on a scale where three drunk men one tenth of the way down the chain make it out so Tyrion breathes fire and Cersei was giving everyone blowjobs.

>>24607454
I also loved the Lannister invasion of the Riverlands and later turned the Riverlands in warzone while fighting the Starks and the Brotherhood without Banners.

>>24607445
My favorite Gregor Clegane helmet.

>>24607409
Blame it on the Jews again, kek!

>>24611189
exactly, so when characters repeat shit word for word, it's like no way that mofo heard that story exactly how it happened. DAEMON MONKEY

>>24611199
Kinda low key like the Mountain. He's just a fucking dude doing his job, using guerilla warfare on the country side to starve out castles and force enemy movement.

>>24611182
>BOOHOOO RACISM IM SO PERSECUTED
>*genocides an entire people*

>>24606627
>Not lending the Starks and Tullys any support in the Riverlands against the Lannisters is the reason that they both declared independence and broke away from the Iron Throne.
lmao no
Cat wanted them to acknowledge her son as king of the North and the Roverlands AND she wanted their help.
Northern lords declared Robb king because Robb couldn't anyone else against whom he thought was the rightful king.

>>24611478
>implying Cersei isn't just a stone on the road for him
He's not Cersei's to beat, he's Dany's

Cersei is on her way out, without Kevan she's gonna screw things up to the next level.

>>24611478
damn these are usually bangers but not many of these criticisms hit even as satire

>>24611478
>24610642
>two chapters in TWOW
>Arianne is still touching her cunt and not doing a goddamn thing
I love the Winds sample chapters, it really hammers in how fucked the series is.

>>24611391
What people did they genocide and you probably don’t care.

>>24611253
>He's just a fucking dude doing his job
How is rape a job?

>Region famous for its cavalry
>They live on mountains
Why would they specialize in a form of combat they can't use to defend their homes and families?

>>24612135
because gurm is a hack who doesn't know shit about anything

>>24612135
I doubt the vale is getting invaded very often so if I were to sweep really hard for grmmmmmm right now I would say they specialized in cavalry specifically for fighting armies outside their territory.

>>24612135
It would be possible argue that "mountains" is a broad category, and there are several known cultures that had pronounced military specialization in cavalry while inhabiting somewhat mountainous regions.

Except everything we see of the kingdom shows it to be such intensely broken rocky mountainous terrain that it's amazing how anything outside the Vale of Arryn valley and the Fingers even has any substantial human population.

>>24612135
Tradition. They are the most Andal kingdom, and their nobility holds Andal traditions like knighthood in high regard.
Also the southern part seems to be mostly flat. >>24607034

If you could choose one character to inhabit so you could change the course of the story who would it be?

I’d pick Theon desu, I unironically think I could’ve convinced the Ironborn to attack the Westerlands.

>>24612236
>Also the southern part seems to be mostly flat.
Aren't the southern parts controlled by the barbarians?

>>24612270
Geoffrey. Just don't publicly murder Ned Stark, kill Littlefinger and Varys, and I'd have it made.

>>24611478
Post the Jon one

>>24612270
>choose one character to inhabit so you could change the course of the story
>I’d pick Theon
Why is anon like this?

>>24612270
Also Theon but I'd kill the wolves, loot Winterfell, take Stark boys back as hostages, become beloved son and heir of Baelon, make Asha my siter-salt wife and send faceless men after Euron (or tell the whole world that whoever kills him at first sight becomes a lord)

>>24612272
That's the Mountains of the Moon in the west.

>>24612300
>"I'd kill the wo~"
>gets punched in the face
>falls over
>cries on the ground

>>24612342
Cope. All I would need is one word to my archers.

>>24612384
>my archers
Those archers around you - were they bought with gold or iron? You blush red as a maid, Theon. A question was asked. Is it the gold price you paid, or the iron?

>>24612390
Iron. They're MY archers because I pay them with MY loot.

>>24612399
>Theon
>loot
Lmao.

>>24612404
Bet you were all
>Theon
>taking Winterfell
when you read my plan for the first time huh?

>>24612420
How much loot did Winterfell yield, my king?

>>24612424
a LOT if I didn't have mental issues and decide to start larping as Ned Stark

>>24612449
>mental issues
He wanted to prove is loyalty to the Iron Islands, it was a completely reasonable decision from his perspective.

>>24612523
I meant him staying at Winterfell instead of sacking it and running off with Bran&Rickon (or even without them afterwards). Hence "larping as Ned".

>>24612559
Not canon.

Jon is Bloodraven’s champion.
Dany is Shiera’s champion.
FAegon is Bittersteel’s champion.

So who will it be? The albino, the whore, or the jobber?

>>24612213
GRRM knows more shit than you ever will. GRRM also read thousands of books and is well-traveled compared to your lonely ass.

It’s a bit of a shame how GRRM overuses the title of “castellan” to just handwave any lords seemingly ever caring about their domains or harvest yields or anything. I’m not expecting the Lord of Winterfell to inspect his fields on the daily, and I suppose it makes sense when we’re dealing with the “big-wigs” towards the beginning, but even the landed knights, petty lords seem completely disinterested. I guess because everyone is vying for the “big prize”, i.e. the Iron Throne, but you really don’t get the sense that you’re in a 99% agrarian economy when reading these books.

I guess outside of the second Dunk & Egg story.

>>24612677
>So who will it be? The self-insert, the projection of his highschool crush, or the projection of his highschool bully?

>>24612629
Lmao cope

>>24612712
I think the only chapter ever dealing with that is the one where lords come to Winterfell to discuss with Bran (Luwin) how much of their harvest to store.

>>24612680
>has had thousands of pounds of food
ftfy

>>24612764
Cope with the dope or the rope! Either way, you’re a bloke.

>>24612680
>GRRM takes more shits than you ever will
Ftfy

>>24612680
his books prove you wrong

towerbros you guys rule, keep a rockin that oldtown blues

>>24613199
That's a big dog.

>>24613199
>>24611478
Painfully Reddit

>>24612279
More important than getting rid of Littlefinger and Varys is having Cersei killed. So long as she's alive, she's going to be mucking around and trying to rule the seven kingdoms.

>>24610153
grim...

>>24612127
They're gonna be killed off anyway, does it matter what happens before then?
>>24613199
>Yea bro chiseled jaw chad here is 14 years old

>>24613351
His dad was the sexiest man in the 7 Kingdoms, I’m not surprised.

>>24613315
Just tell on her to Tywin and he'll send her away packing

What do you book fans about George Martin's abandonment of his book series, and newer dedication of a videogame film?

>>24613731
>fans think* about

>trannysters wanted a valyrian steel sword, so they paid the Maesters to go to figure it out, but they went and realized the Freehold would eventually be a huge threat to Westeros, so they paid the faceless men to kill all the firemages at once
Is this really the best theory we have?

The side with Dark Sister always beats the side with Blackfyre in every conflict.

>>24613777
They had a sword back then.

>>24613780
what if one side had both

>>24613061
Shut the fuck up!

>>24613325
It happend to me once. I got banned for 3 days!

>>24613777
woke: asian valyrians
broke: black valyrians

What’s wrong with woke and racial equality?

Do you ever think that some Valyrian blood mages tried transitioning into dragons. “I’m a transdragon”. Asking for a friend.

>BWCtower
Subtle George

>>24613777
>It was all the faceless men! Trust me!
It’s not a very reliable theory since we know that fire magic is sort of a hard counter to assassination, and Valyrians were the best fire mages around. That being said, we still don’t know if Marwyn knows Pate’s true identity or not.

>>24613834
maegor

>>24613960
It reduces realism, consistency, integrity, etc.

Wanting characters to be accurate to the racial characteristics in the books =|= Not wanting black people period

>>24614008
This. Wanting someone not to be black or leagues away from not wanting there to be blacks at all. If you call me a racist for not wanting there to be a black Gandalf, you’re an idiot who can’t do nuance. You shouldn’t be alive.

Thread theme:
https://users.content.ytmnd.com/1/d/b/1dbb3bfd1d0fe80d0b0bd8e8ad4f6783.mp3

>>24614012
is* leagues away

I like how George has two versions of black people.

The “can do not wrong” black people of the Summer Isles who just want to have sex all the time. Totally peaceful, bros.

And then you have the cannibalistic savage who is literally an inhuman offshoot of humans or something.

>>24614030
even though sothoryos is supposed to be africa i'm not sure if the brindled men/sothoryi are supposed to be black people. they're never described as having black skin. they sound like a different species of humans. if we assume most of the other groups we know are homo sapiens they'd be neanderthals or something.

>>24614008
>>24614012
Just take the Wheel of Time adaptation. The premise is there's this band of characters from a small town in bumfuck nowhere and they have to go on a globe trotting adventure and along the way get to experience the amazing diversity that is their world.
When you make their village that doesn't see visitors for DECADES into something with the ethnic makeup of New York City, it completely ruins that story of discovery and the protagonists' growth period where they find out that the world is so much more than just their little spot. You know, the payoff when they see someone that doesn't look like them for the first time in their lives means nothing if they grew up in an ethnic melting pot that somehow stayed completely separate despite near-total isolation for hundreds of years.

This angers ALL autists because autists are the first ones who go "that's not logical, people should be racially homogenous in small, isolated areas with limited migration where the entire village is basically borderline inbred." But for some reason people take autistic "That doesn't make sense, why do the Targaryens and the Velaryons look ethnically distinct if they've been almost exclusively intermarrying for hundreds of years and the royal line itself was started by three half-Velaryon mutts?" questioning as YOU MUST HATE BLACK PEOPLE. And then they post their hand and reveal that they're an autistic minority.

>>24613960
There's always been racial equality. In stories written by white people there is going to be a lot of white characters, just like how when a chinese author writes a book most of the characters will be chinese. It's only a problem when white authors do it, therefore it is a double standard and therefore it is wrong. When you race or genderswap characters in fiction you are saying that X group only deserves whiteys hand-me-downs. There are black people in asoiaf but nobody cares about a show set in the summer isles or a Salladhor Saan prequel show so the only way you can force enough diversity to satisfy DEI mandates is to make a house that is stated to be white into blacks, thus we get black house Velaryon.
You people always ask what is wrong with bending canon to fit financial incentives (because that's all it is, it has nothing to do with actual representation) but you never explain why it would be good for little Tyrone to see a white character made black, why it would somehow make his life better to know that the only reason that character is that color is because it has been psyopped that the people on screen has to look like us.
I am obviously not black but growing up I thought Axel Foley was one of the coolest movie characters I had ever seen, it made me fall for the 80s miami cop aesthetic. Not once did I consider him a "black" character, he was just a badass. It was because you people care about nothing but race that it has become an issue, you are obsessed with it but tell others that they are the racists for calling out a raceswap.
I think Steve Toussaint did a good job as Corlys Velaryon despite the writing of Ryan Condal and Sara Hess, I just wish they had given him more to do with the character. That being said, Corlys Velaryon is not black.

>>24607674
>Dothraki take her
>she promises them riches and lordships if they go conquer Westeros with her
>she can't rule Mereen anymore and is forced to invade Westeros instantly
there. she goes to Westeros at the beginning of TWOW.

>>24614108
>I think Steve Toussaint did a good job as Corlys Velaryon despite the writing of Ryan Condal and Sara Hess, I just wish they had given him more to do with the character. That being said, Corlys Velaryon is not black.
They're always lazy about it.
Black Velaryons makes no sense because of how much they marry the Targs. Then Daemon's daughters, with 1 black grandfather and 3 white, are darker than everyone else.

>>24611236
Even a witness of the events would probably make a mistake in word choice.

>>24614108
>Salladhor Saan
he's not even black in the books, he's lyseni

>>24614441
>>24614108
it genuinely baffles me how insistent HBO is on cutting out every single canonically black character in the books, but then "fixing" the lack of diversity by blackwashing random white characters. Why couldn't they have just fucking included Chataya and Alayaya instead of replacing them with white women and then making Saladhor Saan and Xaro Xoan Doxas black to compensate

>>24614472
And then cutting down the importance and any plot around the racebent character.

What they did with Xaro, and Qarth in general, was criminal.

>>24614600
>Qarth
Oh miss me with that shit, Qarth was fucking waste of time. It's making Dany spin her wheels while all the other characters move further. She was terrible in ACOK.

>>24614747
It should have moved faster but House of the Undying is a top 5 Chapter in the whole series.

>>24613199
these memes are funny but obviously made by a dannyfag, fuck dany shes a piece of shit kid and shouldnt be in control of anything let alone dragons
>NEVER FORGET MIRRI MAZ DUUR, A SLAVE SHE BURNED ALIVE FOR REBELLING AGAINST SLAVERY

>>24614002
>we know that fire magic is sort of a hard counter to assassination
what?

>>24614043
They’re still not!Africans. They’re still a jab at the savage. Remember when British thought Australoids were a completely different race of people?

>>24615242
Melisandre has demonstrated the ability to see threats to her person. Before it even happens. It’s the first thing she looks for. Glass candles are that but more powerful.

HBO’s ‘A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS’ has reportedly been renewed for Season’s 2 & 3.

Each season will reportedly consist of six 30-35 minute episodes. Season 1 is currently set to premiere in early winter 2026.

>>24615260
>early winter
Is that January 2026 or November 2026

>>24615255
>Melisandre has demonstrated the ability to see threats to her person
What makes you think it's Valyrian fire magic and not R'hllorian shit? Those are not the same despite the fire commonality since we know for a fact that Valyrian divination was based on prophetic dreams and not on reading flames.

>Glass candles are that but more powerful.
You know that how?

>>24615260
There isn’t enough meat on this story to interest me. It’s just gonna be 3 seasons of side quests with no over arching plot or character arcs.

>>24615271
TLOU got advertised as a 'winter release' and premiered in january, so they probably mean January 2026

>>24615274
>What makes you think it's Valyrian fire magic and not R'hllorian shit?
Because it’s implied that Valyrian glass candles are on par with the green seers, who play the part of the old gods. There’s a good reason why the dragonlords saw themselves as above the gods. Marwyn could also see people coming with his glass candle.

>>24615274
>since we know for a fact that Valyrian divination was based on prophetic dreams and not on reading flames.
>for a fact
It was both. There are magical parallels in Essos and Westeros, taking different shape, like how the Undying are sort of like the greenseers, seeing events, even future events, continents away. The trees of the warlocks are similar to weirwoods.

>>24615315
>like how the Undying are sort of like the greenseers, seeing events, even future events, continents away
They’re also a hive mind, like the weirwood net, probably.

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>>24615354
>>24615354
>>24615354
>>24615354

>>24614441
>he's not even black in the books, he's lyseni
Yes, he is however black in the TV show and look how little it did for the representation argument. Nobody celebrated him.

>>24615238
You’re a fucking faggot dude.

>>24615920
die dannycuck