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Anonymous No.24649349 [Report] >>24649914 >>24650622 >>24650693 >>24650743 >>24652946
Why haven't you read it yet? No excuses.
Anonymous No.24649358 [Report] >>24649370
I tried reading metaphysics of morals and got filtered.
Anonymous No.24649370 [Report]
>>24649358
Don't give up fren. All things excellent are as difficult as they rare.
Anonymous No.24649373 [Report]
I could take melatonin to fall asleep if I need to
Anonymous No.24649909 [Report]
It's hard and it makes my head hurt :(
Anonymous No.24649914 [Report] >>24650428
>>24649349 (OP)
I read it in college. It was the very first work of philosophy that made me go "wait a second, this guy isn't just pretentiously rambling. There's some difficult problems he's considering, here."
Anonymous No.24650307 [Report] >>24650379
It's hard to read so my average speed has been couple of pages per day
Anonymous No.24650379 [Report]
>>24650307
You are doing good.
Anonymous No.24650428 [Report] >>24650618
>>24649914
>wait a second, this guy isn't just pretentiously rambling.
It was the opposite for me
Anonymous No.24650618 [Report]
>>24650428
filtered
Anonymous No.24650622 [Report] >>24650658 >>24650895
>>24649349 (OP)
Because it doesn't even exist in itself. Now free will is noumenal. So if you beat Kant with a copy of his own book, even to death, it could never effect his freedom because the noumenal is never in the phenomenal.
Anonymous No.24650658 [Report] >>24650895
>>24650622
>it doesn't even exist in itself. Now free will is noumenal
dogmatism. this is exactly why especially you most of all need to read it.
Anonymous No.24650693 [Report]
>>24649349 (OP)
Im busy with the Greeks.
Anonymous No.24650743 [Report] >>24652440
>>24649349 (OP)
I have read it 5 times... my favorite book !
Anonymous No.24650895 [Report]
>>24650622
The noumenal is not some sort of "thing" that exists alongside or behind the phenomenal, it is just what the name implies - something we think of rather than something that appears to us. Kant addresses this at the end of the Analytic but so many people get filtered by this section because it contradicts their natural dogmatism. The upshot of Kant's view on free will could be expressed like this - a dogmatist thinks there's a world outside of us of which we can form representations; it follows natural laws that we observe; we are part of this world as embodied animals, and in that sense it's not even outside of us, rather we are inside of it; therefore we too follow laws; therefore there's no free will. But the idealist knows that nature does not actually dominate us in that way, that nature makes no sense apart from consciousness and vice versa (the dogmatist can't even explain how we have representations in the first place, he can't explain self-reflexivity). In this way nature is "appearance". But if nature is not ultimate, if it is something that "appears" to consciousness, then we have liberty to believe in the "thought-thing" (noumenon) of freedom - and you're compelled to believe in this noumenon if you're a moral person at all, or if you even care about morality. He's not saying "oh bro maybe there's this magic Noumenon thing that that makes us free", that's a literalist, filtered reading of the CPR, and it's obviously dogmatic. Reading Kant means paying attention to the (apparent) contradictions and resolving them. He even warns you in the Architectonic that he can't spoon-feed you his philosophy, you have to think it through for yourself, and 'apprentices' get tripped up by literalist reading which blows through and ignores the tensions in the work. If you read it as a book of spoon-feeding... well, you will get filtered. Many such cases, even in academia.
>>24650658
Yup, rank, reeking dogmatism.
Anonymous No.24652440 [Report]
>>24650743
eh high fivah!
Anonymous No.24652946 [Report] >>24653013
>>24649349 (OP)
What do i gain from reading it? Sincerely?
It's definelty not entertaining. Is it useful in some way?
Anonymous No.24653013 [Report] >>24653412
>>24652946
It will literally expand your brain. If you're autistic you'll feel right at home with Kant's arguments.
Anonymous No.24653412 [Report]
>>24653013
this