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>>24644022

>Thread Question:
How do you feel about authors who create their own languages/words to use within their book? Do you like the world building or do you find it distracting, especially if there is a glossary you have to keep referring to?

Finished reading A World Out of Time yesterday. I enjoyed it overall but had a hard time ignoring the outdated bits.
All the stuff about inert molecules building up in the cells being the reason for aging and having zero explanation for somehow reversing menopause just feels silly.
I haven't read that much old pulp sci-fi so I guess it was just normal for it to basically be a cavalcade of interesting ideas that are strung into a reasonably coherent story.

>>24650941 (OP)
>TQ
Conlangs are nowhere near as common to really form a meaningful opinion, but they generally add to the world. They're the absolute end game for world building and as such barely any people tackle them.

>>24650992
>>>/lit/wbg

What's the SFF equivalent of Fargo (Movie or first 3 seasons of the TV show)?

>>24650941 (OP)
Previous thread to use this image
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/14152768

>>24651097
Should've said what it was.
This is GRRM being called out.

>Slop writers larping as Tolkien
>Entire passages have to be translated
>Forces people to read their garbage writing twice
No thanks! Hard enough to get people to read your words; hiding them behind a retarded fake language is the worst idea imaginable. Don’t even bother if you don’t know calligraphy.

Just finished Nightside the Long Sun. Better than any BOTNS entry so far, although I skipped Urth and plan to get back to that later.

Maybe the supposed slog that is in the third nook ruins Long Sun for people, but I half wonder if you all just have bad taste.

>>24651243
>third nook
Third book

>>24651109
Chronicles of the Black Company, specifically the second book.

>>24651097
That was hard to watch. Immaculate cringe.

>>24651349
The first half was cringe, but the foid calling out GRRM for being a lazy, fat piece of shit instead of finishing the work he set out to do is based.

Lysander MUST die.

SEX WITH VICTRA

>>24651402
bro she's like 7+ feet tall and you're 6 feet at most

>>24651420
I'm a really good climber

>>24651402
BASED
Victra best girl
>>24651420
I'm over 6 feet, plus I've got a few inches on her where it matters ;)

>>24651374
>>24651402
based goodmen

>>24651420
My brother in Christ, I'm already sold.

What's up with Robert E. Howards fascination with snakes and serpents? Doesn't he understand that snakes are lame and gay?

>>24651576
That's why he gave snakes to all of his villains

Why is Urth of the New Sun so hated compared to the original tetrology? It has some of the most beautiful scenes, and seeing as I don't have autism, I liked having things explained further and seeing the end of Severian's journey.

>>24651420
guys who is this victra

>>24651604
The giantess queen of /sffg/

>>24651436
She’s probably a size queen like Mustang. Your little cock means nothing to her

There better be some real demons in here with giant penises

>>24651645
You're going to be vastly disappointed then.
The series does have an interesting magic system though, at least that's what I thought long, long, ago.

There's a disproportionate amount of penis talk in here for only 30 posts in

>Muad'Dib's """Jihad"""
Didn't happen.

>>24651620
>size queen like Mustang
source: your ass
>your little cock
Good thing I don't have a little one. Now let me waifufag in peace
Good thing I don't have a little on

>>24651586
I don't hate it but I didn't understand it. It felt like two volumes of BOTNS smashed together with so little explanatory downtime that having weird shit happening constantly bored me a little. The ending was kino though I liked how Larry Correia aped it in the last Saga of the Forgotten Warrior book

Why is this shit so highly regarded? It's just trope after trope after trope, as if he took all the fantasy movies made and just copied an arc from each one. There's nothing new here.

>>24651701
>source: your ass
There’s literally a passage in dark age where she’s drugged and wonders whether the guards are big enough to sexually satisfy her like darrow

>>24651722
>Successful selfpub author
>Interacts well with fans
>Actually releases books
I haven't read it because the series title and book titles sound so generic but I can see the appeal

>>24651730
I was talking about Victra

>>24651645
I used to read a lot of RA Salvatore as a kid.

>>24651722
>t's just trope after trope after trope
Sounds good to me, thanks for the recommendation.

>>24651908
the final boss of npcs

>>24651911
Genre fiction IS tropes. If you don't like fantasy tropes you got no business in my genre.

>>24651914
It's that kind of dismissive attitude that ruined the whole genre

>>24651914
and this is why bland prose and women dominate the genre.

>>24651722
Are there vibes, atmosphere and worldbuiding? Any resemblance to DragonAge?

anything out this year that is worth reading?

>>24651936
My hit new novel

>>24651722
It is supposed to gain momentum in the second book as I undersood.

>>24651964
>Don't worry bro, the first book is shit, but it gets batter after 600 pages!

Fatnasy niggas

>>24651935
there is, but it reads like a very basic fantasy book. The most generic of generic shit that you can predict 100 pages prior. It's so generic I am hesitant to to read book 2. That said, it's a great introduction to fantasy epics that take 6+ books. Which I believe he's trying to capture.

>>24651979
oh i also think it would be a better book if it stuck to one POV instead of splitting it into dozens. The narrative completely collapses when it goes to a POV you haven't heard from in chapters and as the reader I stopped caring what happens elsewhere besides a select few.

>>24651983
>>24651979
That's idiotic

>>24651979
Action from the start or boring exposition on a half of the book?

>the first book is shit, but it gets batter after 600 pages!
malazan...

>>24651935
omg vibes :O

yo put down your crusty ass boring book and read this now

>>24652018
he gets in a bar fight

Uh...

I'm thinking Horse.

>>24652053
>gemmell

I can only handle so much of the same shit over and over.

>>24652165
>>24652165
I started this way back in high school and put it down. Remember it being like a proto-Shonen anime with a completely incoherent plot. I still have it, though not the edition pictured. Should I pick it back up?

RRfags, Red God is reportedly so long that the publisher is putting some pressure on Pierce Brown to split it into two books. How mad would you be? If you had to choose between 2 books with everything Brown wants to put in them or 1 book with some stuff cut but you get it released sooner, which would you pick?

>>24651097
For some added context, this entire panel was GRRM hogging the mic and being incredibly petty and butthurt towards Sanderson. Some highlights stolen from another post:
>George was telling a story of how smart a child he was that he knew Jesus didn't exist at 8 years old and how stupid Christians are. This was obviously directed at Sanderson who stared down and his face got a little red. I don't blame him
>Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
>Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write. And also said some things like "just because someone does a kickstarter doesn't mean they can write or that the book is worth reading"
>George directly asked Brandon, "you're Mormon right? How do you deal with that?" And it came across with a really blunt and snarky tone. This was a few questions after he said Christians were stupid and Jesus was make believe.

>>24652378
Man I don't even like Brando Sando that much but Martin is just a chode

>>24652283
They need to nut up and let him deliver a Sanderson length finale for us. Literally no one would be upset (except for them since they can't charge for two books). Dark Age was long as shit and is many people's favorites. I would read a 2,000 page Red Rising book if I could.

Just Let Pierce cook

I'm looking for a very particular type of fantasy book. I want to see a lot of violence by and against ARMED women. basically, women who can fight, fighting and killing each other. Does such a thing exist? Lewd aspects are a plus.

>>24652283
Depends on what the publisher means by too long? Too long to physical print in a single volume or longer than we think the readers will put up with?

>>24652398
Blacktongue Thief and more specifically the prequel book Daughter's War. Lots of violence by and against women, little lewd and little women on women violence.

>>24652398
The Nevernight Chronicle

any sci-fi in a medieval-like setting with thieves, that is NOT a series? :3

>>24652378
sounds like that tranny did grrm a favor. now if anyone googles grrm and sanderson, they're not going to see this embarrassing prolonged tantrum. Is he upset that he's not the hottest name in fantasy anymore? why? He doesn't even write anymore.

Not even a Sandersonfag

The problem with asking for recs is that even collectively the breadth of knowledge of those who would answer isn't all that much. What's being looked for exists, possibly even a lot of it, it's just that the relevant anons, if they exist, aren't present or replying.

>>24652430
don't worry anon, generosity also has its reward

>>24652430
Most people on this board probably read 2-3 books a year, max. That is fair enough, but that doesn't allow for someone to have wide reservoir of books under their belt. It is impossible to really get good recs these days.

>>24652443
the problem is that most anons read series slop
I'd blame Asimov for starting the trend that somehow managed to bring the fantasy slop into mainstream, followed by sci-fi slop
books pondered over decades and then published, the author not being "an author" per se (marketing, career etc.) are rare as hen's teeth and most certainly not marketed

>>24652452
You're a fucking retard.

>>24652430
>>24652443
I read ~80/year and nobody is interested in the sf/fant I rec because it isn't megapopular. That's it. That's the criterion to get anybody to read your thing.

>>24652469
you have no right to say that unless you are a cute girl below the age of 21

>>24652430
I sometimes use google -> "my request in a couple of words" + "reddit", if my request is somehow general.

>>24652481
>>24652481
Recommend me something that's not megapopular and I'll read it out of sheer contrarianism.

>>24652469
>Over a space of 40 years, I published an average of 1,000 words a day. Over the space of the second 20 years, I published an average of 1,700 words a day.
tell me if he didn't revive the 19th century slop flood when they published serialized novels in magazines... except he wrote a heckin book instead of a chapter, proving that it's a viable avenue

>>24652490
X for Doubt
See >>24651504 an anon about two weeks ago claimed to have read it and enjoyed it, would love to hear your feedback
See pic related if you want a sci-fi variant that was actually fairly popular for what it was but not xboxhueg. Its direct sequel is one of the best written sf I have ever read in my humble opinion.

>>24652378
>>Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write.
Kek. No way he said shit and didn't realize how hypocritical he was being.

>>24652502
>>24652452
tell me what you like about Dan Brown (he's slop! he copied that other thing! most of his works aren't even sci-fi!) but at least he wasn't exploitative lil nigga

>>24652409
Pretty much. Initial comments on the question rushed to defend GRRM and shame the person who asked it as if the commentors, and the rest of the internet, haven't been making the same joke for the last 15 years. But this person got tired of the jokes and asked it hoping for a real answer only to get dogpiled on because the question was worded poorly or otherwise lacking in tact. Now you see people unironically saying shit like "George doesn't owe anyone anything" and "Now I hope he never finishes the books" because condoning fat old cunt behavior now earns them likes and upvotes.

>>24652378
>Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
I sympathize with this sentiment, but unfortunately people do actually want to read about them.

>>24652506
I'll see if I can knock out Marrow this week, partially because it looks interesting, partially to prove you wrong.

>>24652452
>>24652403
an unleashed cunt putting in the effort and having standards? that's a tall order amigo

>>24652452
Your best bet is short stories.

>>24652782
how does one find them?

>>24652490
>>24652506
NTA but you want an incredible book that's at least scifi adjacent - and isn't well known (<600 goodreads ratings), picrel. It's the best book that's come out this year. Think Christopher Buckley with a physics degree writes a philosophical scifi novel while on LSD.

Absolutely deserves more awareness, and I say that as someone who thinks there's only a couple dozen books published since 2015 worth reading.

>>24652794
Pulps. Look up Red sonja, then find things similar. Hell I might even be up to write such a story. Give me some ideas for characters/plot I'm in the mood to write up some roguery

>>24652823
>red sonja
that is serial pulp though, exactly what I want to avoid
>Hell I might even be up to write such a story. Give me some ideas for characters/plot I'm in the mood to write up some roguery
in our times (satellites, cctv, smartphones) you can no longer sneak around on rooftops so you can't get the relevant personal experience to mix in with fiction

>>24652826
Red SonYa only has one actual story. Red SonJa is the bikini mail and a comic book.

>>24652826
pulp != serial. Conan for instance, you can jump in at any story and have a good time. They're not connected besides very loose chronology.

Speaking of, here's a nice short story about Conan being a thief https://ccxvii.net/tower/tower.pdf

I don't know many with female protags specifically, besides this very violent bit of writing that I enjoy. Lots of stealth and gunbattles, pretty scifi, very much a female violence fetish piece.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/61269832


And miss me with that "Write what you know" garbage.

>>24651722
There's something wrong with modern SFF audience. If you look at Sun Eater series they seem to have ZERO experience with older books those blatantly plagiarize from, for example.

>>24652899
It's more that they don't care, anon. Everyone knows Sun Eater rips off Dune, Name of the Wind, Star Wars, etc, but they don't care because they enjoy it enough.

>>24652899
>>24652908
I feel like the problem is less they don't care and more they have a hard time even processing the concept that things existed before they did. I find it to be deeply worrying.

>>24652908
more power to them i guess.

>>24651374
When exactly did you Bakker fags turn into Brown simps?

>>24652934
Bakker was shit, and flies don't discriminate.

>>24652378
Unfathomably based

Just finished Inhibitor Phase
Pretty disappointing no cap
I feel like he never really captured the magic of Revelation Space and Redemption Ark
Not sure what to read next, maybe the last trilogy by the first law guy

>>24652956
Why does everyone on the internet read First Law? It's terrible and reddit as hell.

>Bakkerspammer replaced by redritrannies
I'm not sure which is worse..

>>24652965
>reddit reddit reddit
Shutting down the donald was a disaster that still plagues us

>>24652378
Vid or it didn't happen

>>24652388
I'm ~250 pages through dark age right now and it's incredible how much has already been covered in this book. I'm excited to find out where it even goes from here, I'm not even 1/3 through.

>>24652970
read the fucking thread you sped

>>24652978
Dark Age and Lightbringer are both fantastic books. I’d suggest starting Lightbringer right after Dark Age as they honestly feel like one book to me. Both are as good as, and even if not better, than Golden Son.

>>24652995
That's good because Golden Son is undoubtedly the best of the original trilogy

I can't believe red rising is still going
I remember starting that series as a child it feels like
Last thing I remember is the iron rain or golden rain or whatever the drop pod assault was

>>24652999
>2014
>A child
GRIM.

>>24653004
You're reading a YA novel, get off the high horse, boomer

>>24653005
Never read it, never will. I was 23 when you were still shitting your pants apparently.

>>24652999
>as a child
Are you 12?

https://archiveofourown.org/works/55497031/chapters/140836090
read this

>>24652899
>younger generations engage with works published as they come of age
WOW
I'm not entirely unsympathetic--while I am a Suneaterfag, I have read Book of the New Sun and intend to read Dune eventually. Still, a lot of readers, myself included to some extent, want to read books that belong to their same zeitgeist.

>>24652283
I'd be annoyed because splitting the book would likely delay it even further. Sun Eater's fourth book was split into Kingdoms of Death and Ashes of Man, with the latter getting the short end of the stick; a single 900 page book would've been preferable. A split would likely require a lengthy rewriting/editing process to rework Red God into two books. Still, I'd rather get two books with PB's full vision than one with cuts. I have plenty of other things to read and I'm willing to wait.

>>24653029
No.

>>24653039
It's disappointing that they would prefer to read slop just because it is IN rather than something actually good.

>>24653083
Dune was and is slop tho. Just of genx age.

>>24652845
of course they are not
the problem is that there are three different concepts: pulp, serial (one or more adventures published in multi-episode format, most often in magazines), and series (adventures of same person published in multiple independent pulp novels)
there are many one-off pulps that were never continued, that's what I'm after

I love Conan, thank you for the recommendation, although not really sci-fi, more like fantasy (things that could never come true, according to canon, as opposed to scientifically plausible)

>>24653083
I used to work in a library, I know a little bit about being disappointed in people's tastes. When I read slop, it at least has to excel at something. Red Rising for all its faults reads quickly and has fun characters. It may be slop but it's not dogshit.

>>24653091
Let's just get to the end of the purity spiral. All fiction is slop except for Nabokov. I've never read Nabokov

>>24652999
>>24653004
>>24653012
this is soul crushingly possible. You could be 9 reading Red Rising in 2013 and be 21 now.

did any of you niglets see this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrVTIYlhqUw

>>24652273
I don't know how much you read but it remains over-the-top with some absurd revelations towards the end. The funniest part to me was when Orlando finally got mad, picturing the things he did was hilarious. Honestly I'd say you should pick it back up if you're interested in spotting a tonne of ancient/medieval literature and mythology references, it's full of them. Otherwise it's just an excuse to write a mythological origin for the Este family and heap some praises onto them. The ending was rather abrupt too.

>>24652899
I don't think they're necessary SFF audience, just people reading whatever happens to be popular on your platform of choice that has replaced TV. This is why over 10 years ago the GOT audiences who started reading the books thought Gurm was the most original author ever who invented basically everything. The publishers took advantage of this and marketed things as "like Gurm's books" and newer writers just used him and not older books as inspiration. I do agree that it's annoying to see readers praise blatant plagiarism which had already been done better before.

What’s up fellow /lit/iots.

I’ve been working on a book. I’ve written professionally for years, gotten published in small press things, and I’m trying to get this stupid thing done.

I don’t know how to describe it, but I keep spiraling between overconfidence and extreme imposter syndrome. This leads me to writing nothing for weeks, then getting multiple chapters done in a hyper-focused flurry.

I also think I’m right on both counts. I have bouts of brilliance, where the writing is really good, but also character, pacing, and plotting issues that show I’m just way out of my depth with.

The biggest lesson I’ve taken from this is that the only way to learn how to write a novel is to do it. And because I haven’t completed it yet—I don’t know how to do it.

It’s easy to tear something apart. It’s really hard to put it together in the first place.

Anyway, thanks for reading.

>>24650941 (OP)
I only read this in translation.
I sort of liked it but the translation weakened the experience.
Has anyone read it in English and/or Lords of the Starship? If so, what did you think of them?

TQ: It can work. Like NadSat in A Clockwork Orange.
Usually it feels fairly strained, however. Probably because the authors have nowhere near Tolkien-level linguistic autism.

what a breath of fresh air this is in between million-pages volumes

I had never read anything from this guy but this proves you can write great epic without having to shit a thousand-pages brick

>>24653299
>It’s easy to tear something apart. It’s really hard to put it together in the first place.
no shit Sherlock. This applies to literally every trade in the planet

>>24651758
Me too.
But you could tell he was really tried of writing about Drizzt and his companions.
Side characters became increasingly more interesting than the main cast.

in the previous thread I was asking for recommendantions in between books 2 and 3 of Gentleman Bastards.

some of you vehemently advised not to continue with book 3 of Locke Lamora... seriously? why? the second volume felt boring, slow paced and utterly devoid of meaninful content. Are you telling me the last one is even worse??

>>24645204

I love hard science fiction
I am not smart enough to write accurate hard science fiction, any solutions?

>>24653367
Read Larry Niven and fuck off.

>>24653377
Why are you rude to me?

>>24653389
You made a thread already and then decided to shit up this one despite already getting responses on a slow board. Kill yourself.

>>24653039
Every generation is going to have their own "THING" but I have never seen a generation so adverse to engaging with older material than this one. And this is going to come as a huge shock, but a lot of the classic pillars of the genre weren't exactly THE NEW HOTNESS when we were reading them either.

>>24653392
I visit this board less and less. Not like this place is too good for repeating a question

>I [Professor Kilby] was invited to dinner with some of the faculty at Christ Church and afterwards one member asked me if The Silmarillion had any sex, in the modern sense, in it. Next day I mentioned this to Tolkien and, to my surprise, he said he had written a couple of sex stories, though he did not volunteer to show them to me.
Tolkien literally wrote stories about elves fucking. Where the fuck are they?

>>24653072
why not?

>>24653321
Half of the book is flashbacks of horny theater kids crushing on each other. The other half is better, although it does raise a lot of questions that have been waiting to be answered for over a decade.

>>24653377
>>24653392
>complaining about anybody shitting up the thread
>diamond-dozen rec
Stop shitting up the thread with the same rehashed megapopular suggestions, normalfag nigger. It's always some hypocrite with ZERO self-awareness.

>>24653548
>ZERO self-awareness
Ironic.

>>24651576
Conan is an ubermensch who always wins in a physical contest, so he is threatened by creatures dangerous to him in ways a human cannot contest (magic and venom specifically).

Anyone want to read my shitty webnovel?

>>24653694
Yeah

>>24653505
Because I don't want to

SHOULD I USE CHATGPT TO DO MY MATH FOR ME, I CANT BE SMART AND D OTHE MATH MYSELF

>>24653871
wrong thread faggot

>>24653588
>no u vagueposting
Stop shitting up the thread and return to your normalfag den.

ok so Stormlight Archives and ASOIAF are now discarded due to being unfinished, and I fucking refuse to waste my time on works that are never going to be unfinished.

Where now? Malazan? Red Rising? Accursed Kings? Memory, Sorry and Thorn?

Please advice. Something that doesn't get lost in 100 pages descriptions of a fucking tree if possible.

I also have best served cold ready to read but I'm not sure it's going to be as good as FL was

>>24653260
ya it was embarrassing as expected

>>24653945
for the love of god stop reading series slop. Read a novella or standalone. They are much better then padded and milked long form series. The Deep by John Crowley says more in 200 pages than in all of ASOIAF

>>24653945
The Accursed Kings.

>>24653973
fair enough, I'm not saying no to standalones. I'm just going by what 4chin and goodreads tell me. I have no friends nor anyone who even remotely opens a book so I can't get decent recs anyway

>>24653945
Kingkiller Chronicles

>>24653945
Join the Red Rising fags, bask in the bakkerfag and mazafag seethe

Time to read anons book, a knight of valora. I'll let you people tell me what to think of this book.

I'm going to assume uninspired slop with a girlboss and lots of dirty nasty sex where the author doesn't hide his fetishes

>>24654004
I have mixed opinions about red rising. I suspect there is too much wokeness and niggers and homosexuals thrown in (something I truly loathe) but others here say it's the fucking chef's kiss.

I tried going with chatgpt's recommendation and started the Fifth Season and it fucking disgusted me. I don't want to get on with something of the like. I like fantasy and I like diversity and all but I don't like niggers or homosexuals thrown in just because.

>>24653945
Red Rising is a series that is quick and enjoyable Join us in hating a certain character

>>24654013
>chatgpt recommendations
Please kill yourself

>>24653945
Why does it HAVE to be one of those four? It's please "advise"

>>24654018
I know, what do you want me to do. I have no friends, hence no one to give me purely human based recommendations
>>24654019
no, it doesn't have to be one of the four, I'm just curating a list based on good reads ratings and whatever chatgpt throws at me, look at my previous message to the other anon.

Thanks for the correction, english isn't my first language though - not an excuse but I mix words up easily

>>24654013
It's not particularly woke. The one gay character is not introduced until after the first trilogy and he's based. There's like two characters described as dark skinned and they are brutally killed

>>24654013
I honestly don't think Red Rising is over the line with wokeness. There's 1 gay in the sequel series who's cool and doesn't do any gay shit and the rest of the mentioned homosexuality is portrayed as roman-esque hedonism from sick freaks. The black characters are pretty much all villains and minor characters as well. There's no one crying about being discriminated against because they're black because all the discrimination is caste-based (and warranted)

>>24654045
>>24654043
based Ephraim enjoyers

>>24653945
Sun Eater. Last book releases in November so you won't have to worry about it going unfinished. It's a massive scale space opera with cosmic horror, political intrigue, romance, deep lore, and cataclysmic battles. No gays past the first book either, and no contemporary politics.

>>24654013
seconding >>24654045. There are more gays than I'd like but they're seldom heckin wholesome and the in-world Color discrimination has no relation to irl racism. Overall it's more good than bad, and even if you don't like it, it's not a slog by any means.

>>24653945
>Stormlight Archives
In fairness, this one will be finished. It'll just be another 15 years before it's done. But iirc, the second half will be an entitely new arc so you can treat books 1-5 as a complete saga for now. But the only good book is the first one anyway

>>24653945
Stormlight is effectively complete but the way Sanderson writes his books is that he does them in eras. The first era is done and is an effective a-z complete story arc. The next stormlight will likely be a time skip anyway based on how the mistborn ones are.

>>24654120
thanks. Sun Eater has been in the back of my head for quite some time.

I take Empire of Silence is the first book?

>>24654045
>>24654136
well then, I'll put it back in my list then

thanks anons

>>24654193
Be advised that the first book is pretty YA (in order to get published) but the second book onward is geared much more towards a grown audience and where the series really finds its stride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7clQpsLk8Nw

damn I didn't realize she was that short

How likely am I to be filtered by BOTNS if I'm only a 3 to 4 on the apple scale?

>>24654252
I don't have a problem if it's YA and then gears up but what do you mean by this?

>in order to get published

>>24654287
Book publishers are cagey about publishing new stuff, especially if it’s not mass market mainstream appeal. Forcing the author to make a hunger games clone story (which is current and always popular) did enough to generate interest and then he moved past that as soon as possible once he got the book deal.

>>24654298
fair enough

thanks for the explanation

August is nearly over. Where is my red god release date and further red rising news Pierce you chad faggot???

>>24654362
Fuck off. Quit spamming.

>>24654376
where is the spam?

>TQ
I genuinely, sincerely, thoroughly enjoy The Silmarillion sooo....

>>24654362
The news was the release of the hazard bedlam thing that is a clue to how he'll continue the series after Red God. There is no Red God news this month.

>>24654436
Ah I got mixed up. Hopefully we get news soon

>>24654283
Give it a shot, there's no direct correlation.

But FWIW, I had to take breaks between each volume to read something light, and it damn near filtered my high functioning autistic bro that reads like 120 books a year.

It's worth pushing through, but as dense as some of the literary classics.

>>24654283
It's dense, but just remember you can always read a passage twice. I don't think it's that difficult to understand moment to moment, and the imagery and prose are beautiful. It slogs mildly toward the end of the first book, but its all good after that.

>>24650941 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBrDhgGz1k

>>24654576
>20 minutes of unrelated detail
>10 minutes whining about genre categorization

>>24654576
Oh look, it's the "shame is our body telling us to stop" lady.

>>24654581
I guess, I liked her taking down the anti-Tolkien crowd, not that that is special.

>>24654576
oh look, pickme conservative "trust my writing advice even though my writing is ass" bitch.

>>24654181
Yep, EoS is the first. Series hits its stride midway through book 2, Howling Dark. Empire of Silence is often seen as the weakest in the series but I still enjoyed it.

>>24654586
Nobody was ever "taken down" by a youtube video. They always just speak to people who already agree with hem so dullards like you can go "OMG WRECKED."

>>24654586
dis nigga probably believes in people "breaking the internet"

>>24654604
No, I meant taking down the peg.

>>24654610
We know what you meant and you're an idiot.

>>24653321
In my opinion it's superior to the second book, but that's not that high of a bar.
Like this anon >>24653517 said, half of it is a flashback of a semi-interesting scheme and the main story is also not as fun as the one from the first book but more interesting than the second book.
The main character and his love interest finally meet up, but she turns out to be pretty unlikable. And what soured me a bit on it is that at the end there is a story implication that could ruin the entire series for me if it turns out to be true.

Dark Age
fuck you Pierce you should have left Lilath dead I didn't want to have to deal with the effects of the Jackal any longer, I was ready to be past that

>>24654636
the abomination is the only thing to make me audibly groan in disgust. It’s something I really didn’t like

Just finished A witch shall be born. More like a bitch shall be born #LOL! Enjoyed it more than some other Conan stories despite hearing from many that it's not one of the good ones. Salome and Constantious felt so unapologetically evil as to be parodying the usual Conan crooks, but they were very enjoyable villains because of it. Now that I've shat out a blog post on your precious thread I'm going to drink wine.

I love hard science fiction
I am not smart enough to write accurate hard science fiction, any solutions?

>>24654705
Read Vale of the Lost Women NOW THAT ONE has a lot of contention from modern audiences

>>24654719
Science fiction is easier than people give it credit for. They think you have to be some crazy science expert. That's not true. You don't have to right. You just have to be not wrong. you don't have to stop and explain how everything work. You don't have to be a science lesson. Just be consistent and don't be wrong.

>>24654734
I know...I meant HARD science fiction but given my major was never science nor math I am very limited in my knowledge. I have abandoned my love for hard science fiction, I threw my copy of blindsight into the trash alongside the other books! I might be unable to enjoy and join the genre I liked the most...I am looking to go into fantasy and soft sci fi as a reader and maybe even writer now.

>>24654013
It's just Hunger Games for zoomer males

>>24654283
No chance of not being filtered, sorry my brown friend

>>24654536
>>24654541
Alright, thanks! I'll give it a shot after I finish Rise of Endymion.

>>24654008
>missing comrades
>metal pipes snaking through the city
>swords
>armor
>cars
>lightbulbs
>magic spells
What the fuck is this setting?

>>24653973
>standalone fag is at it again
simply read both. what the fuck is wrong with you

How the fuck did they let Christopher Ruocchio publish a 624 page book as his debut?

>>24654854

DAW hit big with Name of the Wind, and was looking for things like it.

Then Rothfuss failed to deliver the books he was paid for, DAW went bankrupt and was sold to a Chinese company.

Ruocchio then planned to go to Baen, where he was working as an editor, made the deal, the DAW came back and offered him more money. That ruined Baen’s plans.

So, in a way Rothfuss destroyed two legacy publishers.

>>24654859
>Rothfuss
wtf is his problem

>>24654900
Found two completed books in an abandoned storage unit sale and couldn't write the third

>>24654906
big if true

>>24654854
The book doubled in length during its protracted and troubled editing process. The book Ruocchio originally sold was much shorter. I think he released the original draft as a collectors' edition; it's called The Murdered Sun.

I'm a sucker for teenage prodigy edgelord MCs (think Red Rising, Will of the Many, Kings of Paradise, Broken Empire), ideally with a romantic subplot. Any recs?

>>24654986
Six of Crows

>>24654986
I wouldn't really call Darrow an edgelord. If you want a real teenage edgelord I would recommend the night angel series by Brent Weeks.

>>24655034
Darrow is 100% an edgelord

>>24654986
>Will of the Many
Is this actually good? I noticed that influencers have been mentioning it a lot lately to ride the coattails of the (admittedly successful) Red Rising trend this summer but it seemed a bit too forced to me

>>24655056
it's actually good. Maybe a tad overrated based on scores I've been seeing, but it's a good time. If the sequel is just as good, if not better, it will elevate it.

>>24655044
He's more broody than edgelord imo. He had a brief edgelord phase in Golden Sun leading up to the gala but think he shook that when he decided not to blow everyone up.

>>24654576
I am so tired of women bros

>>24655056
It tries to hit every trope possible for mass appeal.
It is basically the Red Rising premise, where you have a tiered society and the MC starts out at the bottom but infiltrates the top school while hiding his true identity.
The MC is a Mary Sue who easily beats his peers at every of their specialities.

Overall I thought it was okay but very derivative and the prose annoyed me at times.

>>24655098
i'm not. I love women. I love everything about women. The way they look, the way they smell, the way they feel, the way they walk, the way they smile, the way they taste, the way they sound, and most importantly, the way they make me feel. I can't get enough of women. I wish a beautiful young woman smothers me with her soft body and lets my tongue run all over her nakedness.

>>24654986

I’m starting to feel like an idiot with the book I’ve been writing for the last year. It’s an old guy MC, has almost no personality, is deeply Catholic, and there’s no tropes. He travels through a real-world medieval setting, so no world building, and gets his ass kicked a lot.

It’s basically grim historical Scooby Doo.

Is anybody going to read this shit?

>>24655319
>is deeply Catholic
>Is anybody going to read this shit?
not likely

>>24655319
sound based, post link

>>24655228
incomputably based. If only women wanted to be loved rather than used

>>24655228
>the way they taste
based cannibal anon

>>24655342

Here's the first chapter. It's about a 15th Century witch hunter.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ag8RSXHvJ191WBlMJRxqtEllwsZf6yA80dm4WJkEqsQ

>>24655362
Witch hunts were in the 17th century

>>24655365

True. This predates the Malleus Maleficarum.

>>24655362
Thanks, it seems interesting so far. I'll look it over this evening.

>>24655365
no, that's when the crisis has arisen
which hunts were always and forever, permitting the development of western society and culture
the 17th century was when the witches got out of hand (probably because they put their filthy lil claws on some printing presses) and industrial measures were needed to combat them
that makes the news, not the low key "m'am you are crazy, please stop harassing your neighbors or else"

38 year old faggot here who has never read a book in his life is Mistborn a good place to start? also I have trouble staying focused and my mind starts to wonder off after about 15-20min of reading how do I fix this

>>24655409
Read Red Rising, it's a quick easy read. Mistborn is multiple 700+ page books.

>>24655397

This is also true.

The Church had a hard time consolidating its power by keeping everyone in line and worshipping how they wanted, and were constantly putting pressure on breakaway factions and schisms as heresy.

This takes place during the end of the 100 Years' War and Hussite Wars. It's about 80 years post Black Death, which is still popping up time to time, and the Church is trying to bring everybody back into the fold while the Papacy is having trouble retaining control during the Lombardy Wars between Venice and Milan in Northern Italy.

I love this time as a setting, because all of Europe is close to falling into a second Dark Age. If it wasn't for the fall of Constantinople ushering in the Renaissance, it was close to happening. So following a free agent of the Church trying to keep Europe together felt interesting.

But I'm just an armchair historian, so there will have to be some suspension of disbelief. Because what do I know?

I FUCK SRANC

>>24655427
>But I'm just an armchair historian, so there will have to be some suspension of disbelief. Because what do I know?
read Culianu's non fiction, about the renaissance & gnosticism, but most importantly the things he wrote before he got assassinated
"Jocurile minții" from 2002 gathers all his working notes and submitted proposals from his last years but unfortunately I don't think it has been published in English (even though the source material was in English... go figure)
google translate might help as most of the texts are just speculations based on English / German / Italian / French works written in the 70s-90s, all pro-medieval anti-witch

that line of research unfortunately died out in the early 00s

>>24655427
I thought the Fall of Constantinople marked the inevitable fall of Europe to the Muslim hoards. And Columbus was commissioned by Spain to try and find an escape route. Which he inevitably found Americas and thus brought new wealth and food to Europe and stave them off from the Arabs.

>>24655409
Read Foundation, it's written for a kindergarten reading level

>>24655474
>Columbus was commissioned by Spain to try and find an escape route
they also had the relevant maps from Regiomontanus, from the court of King Matthias of Hungary
it was an Europe-wide effort

>>24655474
How were the arabs so powerful in battle at the time? Better guns?

>>24654705
A Witch Shall be Born and Xuthal of the Dusk are both underrated.

>>24654647
I was just thinking that this book was going to be a rare 5/5 for me but Pierce Brown had to reveal that he sucks cock recreationally

>>24654647
>>24655588
I still believe the conclusion of that plotline is going to make it all worth it. It's not just gonna be the jackal AGAIN. He's going to do something new with it. He's already laid that foundation down.

>>24655592
He'll probably resolve it In a single chapter at most. I think he clearly realized it was a mistake since he had zero involvement in Lightbringer.

>>24655592
It has a chance to redeem itself, at least partially. My main concern is the method through which Lilath returns is going to be ass-pully. However cloning has been mentioned multiple times at this point regarding Sophoclese[/spoilers] so there's hope for something more satisfactory

>>24655608
She didn't die did she? I thought she just got maimed

>>24655531

They literally had the biggest gun ever made.

>>24655641
It was heavily implied that she died during the attack on Luna in Morningstar when the Ash Legion destroyed the ship she was on

>>24655678
Eh I could buy it. Like she could have abandoned ship like Darrow did in the Academy at the start of Golden Son as soon as Adrius went silent.

Maybe Lilath was never on that ship. Like she was setting off the nukes, but she was never on that ship. If the Jacka's whole reincarnation plan relied on her carrying the clone juice in her womb, she would never have been in harm's way in the first place, right?

>>24653945
The answer is obvious.

>it's another xianxia story that turns into a screed against buddhism
based

>>24651243
Wolfe never misses.

>>24650941 (OP)
>inb4 >>>/wsg/
>inb4 audiobooks
Anyone here have Harlan Ellison's Voice From The Edge series? I have Volume 1 but 2-5 are delisted and every (public) torrent I've found is dead and incomplete (I also saw one that might've had all of it, but the retard who compiled the torrent cut off the introductions which is half the reason to even listen to the things, since they're Ellison's personal commentary on the major works contained).

>>24655873
>Harlan Ellison
>delisted
that's what you get for being an obnoxious jew and an obnoxious nigger in the same time
it's not even funny, I wish those works were available, but I'm totally alright with the pure will condemning them to oblivion
see, kids, that's why it's not okay to be a seething nihilist Jew... aim your lives to have at least a few redeeming words one after another

>>24653310
Well what the heck I need a breath of fresh air.

>>24655925
You're just mad that he was a manlet Jew that had sex at every SF convention he went to

>>24654045
>>24654013
>>24654004
>>24653945
The best parts of Red Rising are the golds of the Society fighting and conspiring against each other. Fuck I would buy a whole another series focus them and their struggle for power with the rising occasionally taking advantage of their infighting only to get stomp into the dirt.

>>24655941
>having sex with trash bags is a noble act
try again, rostie

>>24655228
This but also bitches make me sick.

Just finished the OG Red Rising trilogy after I got hit with a mood for some sloppa. Usually I'm a genre snob that sticks to old shit like Dunsany or MacDonald. But I gotta say those three books are -perfectly- paced. I haven't read a series with that much momentum since Count of Monte Cristo.
Is the sequel trilogy similarly paced, or does it get bogged down?

>>24655474
>>24655531
The Ottomans were Turks, not Arabs. The Arabs had invaded/tried to invade several centuries earlier. Europe did not fall to Muslim hoards, their advance in the 15th century stopped close to the Danube line and then, of course, they kept trying to invade, the furthest being Vienna. They were defeated and then started retreating.
>Columbus was commissioned by Spain to try and find an escape route
What

>>24654576
I dunno if she's a good writer or not but she's absolutely right about Tolkien and btfo'd China Mievillefags

>>24655362
I'm >>24655388 back. Aside from some line edits (cloven creature => cloven-hoofed creature) I enjoyed it. The setting feels authentic and appropriately fanciful, and the snippet of action toward the end left me wanting more. The main character was cool and I'd be happy to learn more about his past. His efforts to redeem himself remind me of a few former bandits turned religious separatists from Mario Vargas Llosa's The War at the End of the World. As for systematic critique, I'd probably need to read more. The main criticism I have now is that the syntax in the dialogue varies between historical English and formal modern English. I'd recommend using the latter, e.g. "Be it Satan?" => "Is it Satan?". With good diction you'll be able to cultivate a historical feel without archaic syntax that might turn readers off. But it really doesn't matter one way or another so long as you're consistent.

>>24655409
Gonna second reading Red Rising before Mistborn

I enjoyed Mistborn but Sanderson cannot into brevity and I don't think the pacing is good until the two-thirds point of the book, like every Sanderlanche.

>>24656134
Very similar pace. I'm in this thread talking about Dark Age, it slows down for moments during politics scenes but immediately ramps back up, often within the same scene. The first 150 or so pages is nonstop war kino. Any RRfag would recommend starting the sequel trilogy immediately.

>>24656134
Iron Gold is a bit slow because it does a lot of worldbuilding that the first trilogy omitted. But its pacing is hardly egregious, especially by SFF standards, and there are plenty of great plot and character moments. Dark Age and Light Bringer are long but justify their length better than Iron Gold does. Light Bringer is my favorite in the series alongside Golden Son.

>>24656147
>>24656148
Fantastic. I usually avoid contemporary SF/F because unless you're at Tolkien's level of knowing what you're doing, I'm not interested in world building. Keep that shit moving and exciting.

>>24656134
Sequel books are so much better. You have to stick it out with Iron Gold though as it introduces new POVs and it’s mostly a world building/set up novel. I didn’t appreciate it at first but on reflection I admire what it did in creating the narrative and making the world richer. The books after that are probably the best in the series.

>>24656143

Thanks, dude.

I agree the dialogue goes back and forth between “ye olde” and modern English. I decided to just throw in whatever felt right in the moment, and not worry about it—even though it might feel anachronistic.

Which one should I get? I have an unexplainable liking for the Del Rey/Ballantine covers and I feel they fit the story better, but at the same time I feel that if I end up liking the Zimiamvian trilogy (and the Remington covers), I'd like them all to match. I don't really like the alternate covers though.

>>24656468
I prefer the first but what do the spines look like? That’s important too if you’re a shelfchad

>>24655927
trust me anon this book is fucking amazing, I just can't believe I didn't know anything of it till now.

The Devils was a good read and the thicc mommy werewolf was the best part, fight me.

>>24656498
I like the first two best, but I'm basically back to square one minus the yellow cover.

>>24656520
I won't fight you, I loved the book. Also it was my first Abercrombie book and I thought it was brilliant, moreso after I finished the first law trilogy.

I don't get all the hate it gets

>>24656741
Popularity is hated on in here.

>>24656783
It really isn't. If anything it's less than should be expected as a matter of statistics.

>>24656783
Are you talking about /sffg/? Or 4chan in general? You're wrong in either case.

>>24656783
Popularity isn't hated. Retards and faggots are hated. Popular things might certainly draw more of either but if you're not a total pud you have nothing to fear.

>daniel greene hates it
this will be the greatest book ever isn't it?

>>24657021
>defining yourself in opposition to someone
Just as bad as the opposite..

>>24650941 (OP)
I didn't know that Sanderson made lectures.

>>24657070
He's a professor at Brigham Young University
https://hum.byu.edu/directory/brandon-sanderson.
https://magazine.byu.edu/article/a-fantastic-mentor/

>>24657021
Not necessarily. He still loves ASOIAF and the First Law which are technically le sexist.

>>24657077
Is he teaching how to get published? Or just about writing?

>>24657021
>daniel greene
who

>>24657113
Teaches creative writing. Some of this lectures are on YouTube

>>24657113
Read the linked magazine article.

>>24657127
>Read
We don't do that here

>>24657170
>/v/ doesn't play games
>/tv/ doesn't watch films
>/lit/ doesn't read literature
Why is this website like this?

>>24657170
>>24657179
Why are anons disingenuous like this?

>>24657113
He teaches science fiction & fantasy writing. Much of what he says applies to writing in general, but it's slanted towards scifi and fantasy. He does bring in people to talk about the publishing side and what kind of a path you could take to get published.

>>24657021
>The book was a critical and commercial flop, with critics calling it derivative and some accusing it of misogyny, sexism, and homophobia due to its portrayal of women and their supposed promiscuity.
picked up! thanks for the rec.

Is this edition of the Sprawl Trilogy +1 any good?

Anyone got any recommendations where the protagonist is treated deferentially? Eg he's a noble and many of the characters he interacts with actually treat him like a noble. He doesn't have to be nobility specifically, just someone with high status, whether it's earned or not.

>>24657251
Elantris has three protagonists. The first one is a prince who is treated with respect by the coalition he builds because he's competent and cares about them.

>>24657021
Why do you let people live in your head?

>>24657251
Following the anons Elantris rec, Stormlight has a king, princess, prince who are POV characters. Mistborn has a semi protagonist who is one of the aristocracy and lives in an affluent society around those who do not with class interactions. Also the Goblin Emperor is another one that comes to mind.

>>24657289
I have reached the conclusion the reason why my life is as shit as it is, is because of other people.

>>24657264
>>24657296
Are you guys sure?
Because typically authors just pay lip service to a character being a noble and then jump back to dont-call-me-highness or everybody somehow acts like friends.

>>24657328
From what I remember in Elantris people don't even know he's a noble for most of the book and just insist on deferring to him despite all his efforts simply because he's the person that gets people to stop giving up.

>>24657245
Yes

>>24657232
>t. nufag

>>24657344
Thanks. That's what I thought was going to happen.

>>24657115
Booktuber s o y boy jew

>>24655228
based

>>24655228
I didn't post this but I wish I had.

>>24657021
Added to my TBR pile, thanks.

>>24657928
lol newfag too scared to call some e-celeb nigger a faggot

picrel has been recommended to me as a step furhter into grimdark fantasy

what say you?

Just finished the Prince Nothing series/started the Second Apocalypse series after putting it off for a few years and damn I wish I hadn't. This is great.

>>24658213
I thought it was a bit generic desu. Not exactly bad.

Home sick today, so I'm working my way through Golden Son. Started Red Rising just to see what all the anons in this thread were yammering about, and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it was.

>>24655228
any books about the sexiness of women?

>>24658213
Le heckin' cool edge-lord slop.

Question to those who finish Lightbringer; Lysander's actions after the hangar seen impulsive and reckless. Wouldn't have been better to blame Atlas for Cassius death, silent Pytha and play along with the triumvirate until Atalanta is out of the way?

>>24658572
I think he is impulsive and reckless. He's a kid.

>>24658572
There was nothing impulsive about it. The little shit had it all planned out as soon as Cassius showed up on the Morningstar to meet him.

>>24658392
You're in for a treat, golden son is the best book in the series imo. The rest aren't far off but it stands above the others handily

>>24658572
I think he wants to cover up Atlas' death because Atlas is most terrifying when no one knows where he is. And playing along with Darrow and Diomedes doesn't get him what he wants and potentially threatens his relationship with his Mercurian allies. Creating an excuse to cripple an enemy and exert his dominance helps him become Sovereign in many ways, and despite his false humility in IG and DA, all he really wants to be sit on the throne and have everyone do things HIS way

Why did Lysander's actions after the hangar seen impulsive and reckless? Wouldn't it have been better to blame Atlas for Cassius' death, silent Pytha and play along with the triumvirate until Atalanta is out of the way?

>>24658594
What are you doing?

Nameofthewindbros....

>>24658726
>food analogy

>>24658602
this is how the Anti-RR fag throws tantrums.

>start reading way of kings
>shellan says any man who can read and write is a massive faggot
how did this get past editing

>>24658806
Why wouldn't it?

>>24658602
Only one person on all of 4chan.org with 22 million visitors per month dislikes Red Rising and this is how they display their animosity. xDDD

>>24658815
bold move having your female main character fling slurs about like a sailor and cry about how she isn't chink enough to fit the beauty standard (exact wording btw)

wtf is sanderchuds problem? my little cousin reads these books!

Has he narrated anything worth listening to besides Red Rising?
He's like the GOAT I just want to listen to him read me more books but not if they suck.

>>24658825
you are so fucking transparent dude kek

>>24658852
>I'm new to 4chan and only one person would ever disagree with me
stop shitting up the thread, newfag nigger

>>24658861
fucking retard hahaha

any reason why i've got to poop every time I go to barnes and noble