Thread 24658890

Monster Girl Evolution Edition

Stubbed >>24654030

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
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Anon's guide to success
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FAQ
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I’m deciding on wether or not I want to try and finish the ascendance of a bookworm light novel series. I read up to part five volume 3 and then dropped it. Is the story worth finishing?

Will jannies nuke this thread too?

Everyone here is GMI and end up on RS. Never forget.

With the recent conversations we’ve been having, I wanted to share this quote from the chink novel 'Damn Idol' that relates to it.
Also sorry for phoneposting
>Without a backstory, it was hard to become killer content.

>Yet despite that, the steady interest meant the song had strong musical power.

>Consider the legendary Britpop-era band Radiohead.

>Their signature song, Creep.

>Everyone knows Creep, but few know how it became successful.

>At the time of its release, Creep was heavily criticized for being too gloomy.

>The magazine NME wrote negative articles, and BBC Radio 1 blacklisted it for having a bad influence on listeners.

>Unlike Korea’s TV-centric music industry, the Western market relies heavily on radio airplay.

>So being blacklisted essentially meant a song was dead.

>But as mentioned earlier, good music has power.

>It started when an influential Israeli DJ, Yoav Kutner, fell in love with Creep.

>He played it endlessly on his radio show, despite receiving complaints from listeners annoyed by the depressing song.

>But the situation flipped in an instant.

>Because the song was good.

>Creep gained popularity in Israel, was then imported to the U.S., and finally re-imported to the U.K.

>In this case, the pure power of music created its own story.

>Of course, comparing the 1990s to now isn’t quite fair.

>These days, hundreds of songs flood the market daily, and stimulating content overflows on YouTube and streaming platforms.

So, fellow /wangers/, do you believe a 'good book' has 'power'? AKA Do you believe that the literature industry (specifically the webnovel one) is like/similar to the music industry? If you believe this and you think you have a "good book" it won't matter if the cabal of discord trannies are releasing 300 novels of slop at once, your novel will still get famous. Since it is a good book, and good books have power.

>>24658898
If they do, we're screwed. I'm baking as I always do.
>>24658899
Preach.

>>24658898
We really shouldn't be using covers of stories that are trying to fuck over new writers.
>>24658899
Not if the author of the story in OP's image is involved.

>>24658890 (OP)
Based magpie enjoyer fuck Renir lol stay in a rock idiot
>>24658897
Yeah it's totally worth it, especially if you read that far already.
>>24658899
Actually I just hooked another suc- I mean, another patron has graciously decided to give me $10 every month. Winning! This is particularly well timed as I have a small cold that's got me feeling depressed and it's great positive reinforcement as my views dwindle from my ad running out.
>>24658904
That's literally what makes something a classic: if it has objective merit such that even if it's unpopular sometimes, it keeps getting rediscovered and appreciated.

THIS OP IS GIVING ME PTSD
MAKE IT STOP
MAKE IT STOP OR ILL LIVESTRWAM SUICIDE

>>24658897
>Deleted
Jannies on patrol right now, act natural.
>>24658935
Don't anon, you still haven't lived to see the deckbuilder spam!

>>24658935
Anon, you need to relax. Maybe try some cozy koi fish cultivating story. Breathe in and out.

>>24658942
DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE
DIEDIEDIE
DIE
LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!

>>24658937
>All literature discussion is welcome, however fan-fic is not allowed.
Ascendance of a Bookworm is literally literature about books (and magic), and is a webnovel that was adapted to a light novel and officially translated into English.
I think it's more likely that the anon caught a ban for funposting too hard somewhere else and all his posts got deleted.

>>24658951
Maybe you're right, guess I'm just in a paranoid-depressive mood right now.

I'm gonna write a story about a young aspiring author who published their work hoping to get on Rising Stars. They went to bed all happy, but to their horror RS was filled with monster girl evolution stories by the Cabal. Her story never hit RS and she was forced to get a job as a janitor. She kept writing, but updates became less and less frequent as she had difficulty at work. Her boss made her do lots of unpaid overtime, double shifts and eventually she fell sick. Her story went on hiatus. After she got over her illness she turned to writing - wrote a chapter that got a lot of attention. Unfortunately at work there was a robbery and she got stabbed to death. In her dying moments the last thing she saw was the cover of a book: Magpie Monster Girl Evolution. And her story never got another chapter.

>>>24658570
>AI slopper
>brown third worlder
Pottery

Is it just me, or... how is this magpie shit even a thing. I'm a girl I'm turning into a magpie. Later on I'll... what the hell.

The current slopwave is ass, I propose we capitalize on the Italian Brainrots for maximum engagement. Just imagine RR's frontpage filled with Chimpanzini Bananini Isekai, Tralalero Tralala Progression, Tum Tum Sahur cultivation (already picked this one). It's ripe for shilling on YouTube shorts and tiktok formats even so that we can cater to the massive Gen Alpha audience left untouched

>>24658986
Nah we need something like... Reborn as a Level Cap Grand Wizard or something... maybe an apprentice who gets in trouble...

>>24658976
Just read the blurb. Warning, it's very hard to read the first chapter and not fall in love with the magpie. An excellent example of characterization we could all learn from. Honestly, I think it's better than the opening chapters of Taste of Magic, AmberAtlas' other work on RR.

>>24658963
Janitor Girl Evolution?

Shattered Pantheon author here, here's the new blurb I've written, taking previous advice into consideration.

---
Rex Jaeger is beginning his first year at the Imperial Military Academy and is eager to grow his talents to join the greatest nation’s ranks as a knight.

But things are rarely so simple for him. He has experienced death and reincarnation, and knowing the cold emptiness that awaits, he is determined never to return to that purgatory.

More than that, he holds aspirations of defying the divine order, for the only way to truly free the countless souls who have already passed over is to purge the source.

But in a new world of magic and supernatural occurrences, how can he compete? How can he build himself up from a regular, talentless villager to a force that can shake the heavens?

And even if he succeeds, the path he has chosen is paved with difficult choices. Can he consistently work towards the greater good, even if he is hated by his peers?

His actions will have an impact on the world on a scale never before seen, and some will come to label him as the one who doomed humanity. But he will persist, whether his motives are understood or not.
---

Thoughts?

>check scribblehub rising section
>ctrl+f "Evo"
>0 results
Common Scribbleborea W.
But in all seriousness, my tip to anons: assuming these cadres are moving toward being laser-focused in producing the same content labels to the point they end up competing like packed sardines for the LitRPG audience in RR, a lot of the remaining readership is left out. Even inside that profane platform, if you filter out the LitRPG tag all these works cluttering RS will immediately disappear from the search engine because in the end of the day they're just saturating an already oversaturated trend. In short, if you have something original to show, you will still manage to stand out from these crude ploys directed at the gimmicky bloodbaths that are litrpg arenas.

>>24659040
But I like litrpgs. Not these though. The premise is already boring, made worse by a passive female protagonist. They take up spots from stories I would actually want to read.

Them being so brazen and visible about it is going to make this happen more often too. Other authors will band together into groups doing the same shit.

>>24659040
The upcoming Immersive Ink version isn't going to be focused on a title/subgenre gimmick. It's just coordinated release and shout outs (And a png stamp thingy for the cover, apparently).

>>24659040
It's one silver lining my space opera will stand out, because looking at the crazy explosive success of Phantom Star it's a little encouraging people really wll give nonisekai stuff a chance (like space operas of all things). It's just the challenge of actually getting myself to write the backlog so far that's holding me back.

>>24659036
>Rex Jaeger
Nice name. Is he Bella Swan's brother?

>>24659036
Better than you have right now, but I'm shit at writing blurbs, keep that in mind. I do think that:
>By my hand, the natural order will be restored—even if gods must be pulled from their thrones.
Was a nice if chuuni line.
>>24659040
No cost in posting in ScribbleHub beyond the time investiment. There's less competition but also less eyes.

>>24659036
>character
>setting
>tropes (isekai reincarnation)
>atmosphere
This is much, much better anon.
You made the common mistake where you went on for too long though. The blurb is actually much stronger cutting away the last 2 paragraphs. End on >shake the heavens. The last 2 paragraphs add nothing (so far as blurbs are concerned) ((IMO))

Also, you aren't signaling his power set. He's a druid right? That's worth including somehow.
Is there any other MAJOR part of your story that readers should know about from the start, or that you view as a big appeal? Should go in the blurb if so.

Much better than before

>>24659047
Yes, individuals naturally become collectives as we step into the advanced ages of meta-algorithmics. It's unavoidable unless the platform itself decides to go against the flow. Alas, I have no agency to provide permanent fixes to these issues, all I can do is point out that there are alternative paths to the Ruined Roads ahead which authors may consider if they want to increase their likelihood of success

>>24659055
I'm aware of it. Picrel, I'm providing you with a sneak peek into what fictions the Ink writers are devising for December launch. Concerning generalized mass publishing, there's not much of a discernible tangent to be circumvented here in contrast to those same-genre bandwagons. The main advantage of these stories is their ability to algorithm-redirect readers through mutual shout-outs. What an atomised individual can do to insulate their success amid this maelstrom is basically doing the same by pursuing shout-out requests with other authors, or if we get needlessly passive, maneuvering their release schedule outside it.

>>24659101
The only one I know in there is shoemilk and FUCK he needs to focus on Dyntril Academy, not some new bullshit romance book. Dyntril's already hanging on by a thread because his arrangement is poor (not nearly enough worldbuilding, lacking context for things he argues about in the comments rather than writing into the story, MC is portrayed 100% of the time as heroic and correct, but is actually a dumbass and causing 90% of his own problems by failing to communicate and being butthurt about getting dumped).
He could literally fix it in two chapters (one being a prologue with worldbuilding explaining wtf is going on in the post-apocalyptic world and the second being the rest of the diplomatic party's POV of things being fine and showing they have no idea what's going on with MC).
This makes me worried that Dyntril is going to get dropped after book 2.

Anyway for people worried about cabals, shoemilk isn't super duper popular, and he made it in. It's probably a lot easier to join these things than we might imagine, anti-social recluses that we are.

>>24659113
If we're being harsh, here I'd say two thirds of those authors really need shoutouts to get their minute of fame, otherwise their covers and blurbs would be buried deep in the pile from what has already been shown. Yes, anyone can join in as long as they provide a sizeable chapter count of 30 for 30 shout-outs. I personally won't need it because I can afford to wager on my fiction getting to RS solo. And having a queen of inks discord stamp on my cover is a Hell No.

>>24659101
i'm gonna fake an account as F anon and submit FFF-class Javelinist

>>24659146
There's a good piece of info for F anon actually: you can advertise yourself once a day in that discord, with no further commitment. Though the posts are most likely botted, so people just check there after uploading their most recent chapters. I don't know how many people actually check there, but it's one more place to shill at least

>>24659134
This is really setting off my Groucho Marx trigger. Do I really want a shoutout from goblin cardomancy or whatever the fuck? At least monster girls are sexy. And I certainly wouldn't want to send my readers over there. I couldn't in good conscience recommend them, while monster girl evos have been 3/3 at least 4.5 stars quality so far.

I don't think cabals are going to become the new meta-strategy on RR. Following the precepts, buying ads, and being part of a money laundering operation are still the best ways to make it big.

>>24659146
There's a good piece of info for F anon actually: you can advertise yourself once a day in that discord, with no further commitment. Though the posts are most likely botted, so authors just check there after uploading their most recent chapters. I don't know how many readers actually check there, but it's one more place to shill at least

>>24659146
I've been gathering ideas for a story where the MC uses javelins. They are the coolest weapon. Please write that story. Just don't include some kind of enchantment that lets the javelin return to the MC or if you do then make it take time.

>>24659101
I hope one day we can have our own version of this. Would be legendary.

My fellow Anons, please rate my draft-blurb and see if it's any competent.

>John liked to play God, but never did he actually expect to be one. He awoke in his favorite game, God Simulator, as the Creator Deity of a world he'd paused on the First Day. Only, the world seems to have moved on without his will nor knowledge. With the power and status of a God and only a mortal mind to drive it, John must figure out what exactly happened to the world that had come into being without his initiative and ultimately come to a single decision. Will he remake the world as he intended, or observe it as it is, strange changes and all?

>>24659170
You need a log line

In war, like all things, let Rome lead!

>>24659172
I mean this with all sincerity Anon. What is a log line?

in reality most of these monster girl stories would've hit RS by themselves without the gimmick of all launching at once. they're from authors who know how to write for an audience and RS really is that easy, despite what some ppl here will say

>>24659170
blurbs should be written in present tense, and you're swapping between them, so: horribly amateurish by that alone

it does convey the premise, so it has that going for it. it doesn't really set up any interesting hooks with that basic premise, though, you're basically just repeating yourself in subsequent lines and saying "what's he gonna do??"

could be worse, but not good. 5/10

>>24659176
Basically, its a high impact, short sentence introducing the story. Has to be extremely dramatic.

>>24659170
>nor
or
>single decision
But the hook of the book earlier was finding out what happened and how. Coming to a decision is easy, there's nothing stopping or pushing him in either direction. Not really much of a hook.
>John must figure out what happened to his missing god, why the other two have formed rival pantheons, and... wow, that nun has HUGE tits. And she can see him?! The fate of this world hangs in the balance.

>>24659182
>John must figure out what happened to his missing god, why the other two have formed rival pantheons, and... wow, that nun has HUGE tits. And she can see him?! The fate of this world hangs in the balance.
lmao but ironically this, excellent examples. each item in that list adds a strong hook that X group of readers might click in and try the story for. your blurb as it is is kind of...floaty and vague

>>24659164
The one advantage these mobs have over you is their ability to review swap and mix-match readers. But it's as you say, they're quite literally obligated to shill other randos in return, most of which won't have readers aligning with their stories. The most effective method is still begging for authors matching your tags and readership for alliances since their audience is much more likely to stick around for your story since the shoutout won't feel as unnatural. In the end they're forced to shill their first 30 days for goblin harems in some poor man's Faustian bargain they branded their fics in. Advertising and curated rapport are unmatched.

>>24659187
>ironically
and by ironically i ironically meant unironically

>>24659180
>>24659181
>>24659182
>>24659187
ty anons, will take this into account when forging my blurb. i shall repost it when it has been refined like so. godspeed.

>>24659169
In theory it's really easy to set up one of these, since it's a mere "pitch your fiction, update your wordcount, and have it ready by the specified date" it could even boost productivity by driving competitiveness up. And I reckon the listed work would be more harmonizing than haphazard projects with discord sycophants. But do we have the numbers?

>>24659207
No, and we have too many special snowflakes writing their magnum opus as their first novel who can't be wrangled into working on a harmonious and thematically related collaboration. (I'm one of them.)
What would we even pick as a collaborative theme anyway? It's telling that the monster girl evo project started with people laughing at a joke about Bunny Girl Evolution as a title and riffing off it, which people then organically latched onto and then people invested however many hours writing and generating cover art. We're approaching it from the other end, a vague desire to game the system but without any ideas.
Holy shit we unironically need an ideas guy for once.

>>24659056
>Space Opera
Oho?
Super underserved genre nowadays
Even Star Wars is my moving away from it.

Humanity, the greatest of us all. The Creators. The Gods. The First among equals.

Where are they now? Nobody knows, nobody but me. Stories and myths and legends are told about them and their disappearance. Their flesh melted in a plague. They burnt each other to cinders in a civil war. They sacrificed themselves to defeat The Great Enemy. There are as many stories as there are stars about the First Ones. But they're not stories, they're true.

I know this. I know this, for I have seen them in my dreams. I will find them and they will save us. They must.

>>24659228
if this is a blurb its bad
if its a random short, it's aight but you fell short on punchiness in a few places

>>24659228
10/10 schizobabble, never let them make you take your meds.

>>24659218
Food for thought. Since it would be /wng/'s first collaborative debut, we ideally should make it a very casual entry to inspire widespread participation, to the point any lurking backloggers couldn't ignore it with "Dayum I'm busy and I can't write two fictions and once" and instead just say "Fuck it I'm in."

It's unnecessary to restrict such a joint project to a particular genre. Something I can see working is setting abstract themes from 4chan innuendos, like a particular running gag about science, a nothing ever happens chud character, gigachad, et cetera. Having anything related to the basket-weaving forum would qualify the fiction for its adoption.

>>24659233
It's a random short. What if humans were the first and seeded galaxies with life? Humans did many great things, then they disappeared. They stopped having kids. The fertility rate was so low that their society collapsed. But one group of humans survived - the Amish!
>>24659234
Thanks, bro.

>>24659218
>What would we even pick as a collaborative theme anyway?
The west has fallen.

>>24659036
Bruh if you can't compose a short blurb without a gazillion mistakes that takes ten people to fix, how will you write a wholeass story?

>>24659101
I don't see why readers would follow this clusterfuck link web from one work to another. Excessive shoutouts are only annoying. These mass releases eat up visibility from each other and will leave most of the participants (and on-participants) to rot. The only point is "it sounds fun lol"

>>24659358
>non-participants

>>24659238
Think I qualify considering I worked in an Osaka Expy into my story already.

>>24659036
>Thoughts?
Three lines. Set out past, present, and future (main conflict). Have a dramatic first and last line that serve as hooks.

>>24659218
Burgerpunk

[Cabal Reconnaissance Update #001]
I have made it behind enemy lines. I am no luddite but I might as well be a curmudgeonly dinosaur here and feel woefully ill-equipped for my mission. Even so, I will do my best to gather intel.

Upon entry, I was subject to an automated census and background check which interrogated me on my aspirations, skillset and karmic burdens. I performed a number of arbitrary tasks to prove that I wasn't a Thinking Machine. For easier identification at a glance based on predicted prospective contributions to this neo-society, I was then assigned a number of "roles" and labels like I were but cuts of beef. I have been earmarked.

The threshold melts away and I am transported into a sprawling ecumenopolis. Every seam in the city's wide-screen façades draws the gaze plummeting a thousand storeys downward to forgotten street levels choked with performative friendliness. It is a bubblegum pink Walled City of Kowloon. I'm confronted with a paradox of chaos and order — walls of noise orthogonal to sterile corridors. The amount of attempted compartmentalisation is staggering. I am confronted with a myriad nestled categories and subcategories like layers of a festering onion. All the self-serving mingling and vapid conversation reeks of something sickly sweet like a cocktail of high fructose corn syrup and sycophancy.

I see names written in special technicolour gradients vying for attention. They apparently signify some kind of elite donor caste status with patronages somehow associated with the chemical element of nitrogen. They have access to additional societal rights and are exempt from sumptuary laws which leave the rest of us street level serfs only slightly less colourful. But, even with all their peacocking, they hold no real power and are not the ones in charge.

The ruling class have given themselves whimsical epithets and badges to make their hegemony more palatable. One of these techno-brahmins directly responded to the public announcement of my arrival — no doubt in an attempt to demonstrate his largesse and astuteness, as well as investments in surveillance technologies. I didn't respond to the response. I felt like I had just been raped under fluorescent lights.

I will try to find pockets of more productive discussion tomorrow and learn more about the enemy's movements. For now, I will rest and continue backlogging my wuxia web serial.

>>24658532
Ah wow you've got a lot on your plate. Good luck.
Also bookmarked that. Are any of the ones without covers worth reading? My gut says no.

>>24659487
glhf

>start reading katalepsis since some anon keeps recommending it every thread
>first chapter namedrops Coleridge
based
I could tell from necroepilogos that they're a good writer but I take they're well read too

>>24659653
>President Coolidge
>In a webnovel?
Impossible

I have just imagined your female MC with bad breath and there's quite literally nothing you can do to stop me

>>24659058
King Hunter. Either a leader that hunts/fights
or
hunts down kings

>>24659487
There is this "FemForHer" series of videos. That is what's gonna happen to you if you're not careful. lol.

>>24659487
>wuxia
should be writing cyberpunk

> S tier:
Fox girl (I love the style, funny, seems actually well written for now)
Cat girl (Good style too, funny)
> A tier:
Magpie girl (Starts strong, style could be better)
> B tier:
> C tier:
Zombie girl (Decent, but the writing is a bit meh)
> D tier:
> E tier:
Puppy girl (Awkward setup, bad writing, bad grammar, no hook)
> F tier:
Cow girl (Atrocious grammar, style and writing. Couldn't finish the first chapter. The hook sucked)

>>24659853
what about Phoenix and Fish?

>>24659864
haven't read yet. Phoenix is explicitly a male author and I dislike male authors writing females (at least in web novel slop). And I didn't like Syl's in the slime story; every character sounds exactly the same, with no style.

>>24659873
>I dislike male authors writing females (at least in web novel slop)
Only a cock slurping faggot would say something like this

>>24659873
I don't read about women at all.

>>24659878
Maybe so. Enjoy your men with tits fiction.

>>24659873
>I dislike male authors writing females
This, but female authors writing males.
Not just in web novel slop either.

>>24659873
>I dislike male authors writing females
This, but human authors writing dragons.
Not just in web novel slop either.

>>24659873
>I dislike male authors writing females
This, but mortal authors writing cultivators.
Not just in web novel slop either.

>>24659873
>I dislike male authors writing females
This, but manchildren writing adult characters.
Not just in web slop either.

I can't stand authors writing.

i am a male author and I wrote a female main character so well that female readers think I am female

I am an extremist dawla-supporting misogynist and readers like my female main characters

I am an author and I have no idea how I'm writing anything because nobody tells me shit.

Everyone says my characters can't be human, but at least they're entertaining

>>24659873
im sorry to tell you this but the only female web novel author in this space i know of is Hungry
basically every big serial with fmc is by a male author.
like what's 1 with an actual female author?
after thinking about it, a practical guide to sorcery too. It's insanely rare tho

>>24660262
When Immortal Ascension Fails Time Travel to Try Again has a female author

>>24660262
Not sure if "big", but Azrie (Amber the Cursed Berserker, Arc: SS-tier Heroine) was a girl last time I checked.

>>24660262
I am aware, however, if it is obvious that they are male, then I will not give them a chance

>>24660066
him? he's me!

>>24660294
obvious through the writing or checking the profile?
i couldn't care less about the profile. pretty sure TWI author is male but he has some of the most authentic female characters in the genre
Similarly something like worm and APGTE has admittedly male-ish FMCs but they're still interesting and fleshed out characters, so I'm totally fine with it

It's shit like Azarinth Healer that I can't stand

FFF-anon.
Tina-anon here.
where are you. Thanks for the review back. Now then. Thank you for your kind words in public. However, you may now *eviscerate* my writing so i can get real feedback here, lol. (we did a trial run review swap? On a different WN site other than RR. Call it a trial run. Worked fine.)

>>24660294
The progression-brained fantasy trends in a highly competitive site like RR ensures the totality of a male novelist sphere, hence you're only kneecapping yourself as a reader by restricting your reading to authors with "unknown/female" profile pronouns. More than that, this myopic insistence chains you to exclusively numale queer writers who base the female mcs as their own self inserts, rather than male authors like me who can base female characters after previous girlfriends for a somewhat pragmatic depiction of the female sex that you so highly idealize.

>>24660262
Practical Guide to Sorcery is written by a woman

>>24660358
>after thinking about it, a practical guide to sorcery too. It's insanely rare tho

how do you have fantasy open without reader killing infodumps if you want to avoid isekai/transmigration?

>>24660317
I've read the first two chapters, and your writing is really good. But, despite the fact that I personally dislike it, you should use more 'show, not tell.'
You don’t need the main character to summarize the whole plot. For example, you could have started with an action scene with the cartel, and then slowly reveal her backstory, a little at a time in each chapter.

Also, your book is perfect for Wattpad or Inkwitt, why are you posting on Moonquill?

I'd like to comment on the apparent differences between trad book blurbs and WN blurbs. Like everything else about WN's in general its different and its kind of its own thing.

>>24660375
you expect me to read that far into your comment before replying?

>>24660404
>fantasy open
What do you mean? Anyway, you don't need to drop the lore in one go. Drip feed it. As long as your story doesn't have out there elements, readers will be fine not knowing what's going on for a few chapters.
Start lean, direct and not confusing.

>>24660407
>I've read the first two chapters, and your writing is really good.
I don't hear that a lot. Thanks.
>
>But, despite the fact that I personally dislike it, you should use more 'show, not tell.'
>You don’t need the main character to summarize the whole plot. For example, you could have started with an action scene with the cartel, and then slowly reveal her backstory, a little at a time in each chapter.
>
no I hear you. I skimmed over "the Fantasy Fiction Formula". My MC needs to be put in peril in the first chapter, the first paragraph, better yet the first sentence! That's what FantFicFormula says.
>Also, your book is perfect for Wattpad or Inkwitt, why are you posting on Moonquill?
I'm trying to make traditional pulp novels and it really clashes with the whole "web novel" established things. It was honestly just a place to start "parking" most of my catalog and let me drop links for samples.
>
but thanks. I'm used to getting gutted.

>>24660452
No insults, just saying that RR readers have their own taste, and Wattpad readers have theirs.
Have you tried traditional publishing?

>>24660313
Checking their profile (author name, or credit to their wife in the first few pages), then writing. Sometimes you can't tell with the writing, since obviously I'm male and can only discern so much, but you're right, those flirting/sex scenes in Azarinth Healer were the second most awkward thing I've read. Reading BtDEM is what made me finally abhor any male writing females.

You can always tell if the final love interest is a woman anyway. Though I'm certainly surprised TWI has a male author.

>>24660356
I still read male authors writing male protagonists. And yes, I'm kneecapping myself, but male writing female is too trans-adjacent for me to enjoy.

>>24660473
>TWI
pirate is trans

>>24660473
Couldn't get my point across, I'll reiterate: the female authors writing Femmc you'll find on RR are 9 out of 10 times transgender MtFs.

> New life as a max level archmage
Is its success a complete fluke? It's not bad, but certainly not 20k/month good

>>24660477
pirate purposefully avoids any gendering whatsoever, so idk if s/he's trans
but his name was leaked and it's a male name, so

but enough about me

>>24660495
Ignorance is bliss, then.

>>24660504
25k now, lmao
my personal perspective is that archmage is a perfect example of competence + wide appeal. It doesn't do anything to make you cream your pants but it doesn't get anything WRONG, doesn't make any controversial plot decisions, and it's technically solid all around. It's a pulpy, fun story with very few plot/design mistakes, characters have their own voices and motivations, and the writing/prose is digestible and flows very well even if it can hardly be called 'great'.

It appeals to almost everyone on RR & is a cut above the average quality, even comparing to other successful stories.

Why wouldn't it blow up, considering all of that? Making a lot of money has always been about mass appeal more than pure quality.

>>24660517
>>24660504
Also...let's be real...are you saying the other big authors deserve their pay checks?

Primal Hunter is making 75k on patreon and way more than that on Amazon lmfao. do you think IT deserves that much money?

>>24660504
all success is a fluke

>>24660523
midwit takeaway

>>24660537
it's a good thing

it means we all have a chance

>>24660517
>It appeals to almost everyone on RR & is a cut above the average quality, even comparing to other successful stories.
>
professor recommended a book. must read.

>>24660521
>>24660517
No, though I read the story and liked it, and for the first time in my life I checked out to see what Patreon's about, thinking it would be something like 50 cents or 1 buck a month at most, and was shocked to see memberships are like 10$, with thousands of people paying it. And I'm still not over it.

And yeah, I read PH book 1 all the way, trying to understand the hype. It's the only book I've completed that I rated 1 star on Goodreads, somehow.

>>24660539
Unironically would like to hear you thoughts on it Tina, but I don't think you'll like it.
>>24660521
With how much money it makes, I'm surprised I don't hear more about it in general, but I put stubbed works at the bottom of my list.

>>24660459
>Have you tried traditional publishing?
no. I'm a try hard amateur. I think I'm coming around the bend on my editing. When I get all my editing ducks in a row, I want to make one final real edit push, and hope for the best.
>
I try for my book to just "read" like a regular novel. Like they used to 1980-1990. Just updated to be modern is all.

>friend is a streamer, loves doing character voices when playing games
>asks to read my book
>asks me about how to pronounce character names, even sends me audio files of them reading the names asking if that is correct after I try to describe it with text
do I offer my friend a deal to narrate my book?

>>24660546
>Unironically would like to hear you thoughts on it Tina, but I don't think you'll like it.
I'm almost afraid to ask. But I'll risk a chapter of anything. Now I read *this* opening chapter, this is how its supposed to be done, right? Gotcha.

>>24660555
Yes.

>>24660546
New life as a max level archmage
found it.
I can stomach a chapter of anything. I think.
*gulp*
there's no... bulge, is there?

Why do all my negative reviews on RR keep getting taken down?

>>24660565
one of the things archmage does well is that it signals exactly what it is and keeps to its promises
You can tell immediately if you'll like it if the name "New Life As A Max Level Archmage" has any appeal to you whatsoever. If it doesn't, you won't.

I tell you hwhat writing a protagonist who is meant to be well intentioned but also someone who makes the wrong decision more often than not is tough. Because the character is just sensible enough to seem like he's being written as a moral MC self-insert, but also flawed so that the self-insert nature is as if I, the author, am not aware the MC is being dumb/flawed.

It's probably too nuanced for progression fantasy.

>>24660576
I reported a bad review and got the RR jannies to take it down around the time you posted this, was that you?

>>24660634
No, but I've gotten at least 4 taken down. Starting to think I'm the asshole

>>24660546
>>>24660539 (You)
>Unironically would like to hear you thoughts on it Tina, but I don't think you'll like it.
I read the first chapter.
Bang, first sentence practically. Just wakes up in the video game. Abrupt, to me. I understand this is the WN tried and true formula I have heard about. Get started immediately with the story.
>
The writing seems fine to me. Writer is one of those that has a penchant for comma compound sentences. I don't mind it. Reads and flows fine. No clunkiness from abusing the technique.
>
Light fast read.
I'm not a reader in these WN genres. So it goes without saying that it was jarring to see the game stats puking up on an imaginary screen in the movie in my head as I read. I had wondered how the WN writers handled that. I hear about it a lot. My curiosity is now satisfied,
And whoever edited this chapter, I wish I could have them edit all of my work, LMAO.
Light fast read. Slightly "campy" feel but otherwise fantasy-level realistic.
>
I honestly can't think of anything I could even complain about or really critique.
>
I'm trying to imagine the differences in this (typical) WN world that differ from my trad novel writing attempts. Pacing seems as if it will be quick. No dwelling on things.

>>24660639
Well if it was you, I wish you’d leave a comment or message discussing why you read up to chapter eight before dropping a one star
I know I'm not Tolkein and don't expect good ratings, but I wish you’d leave some feedback next time :(

>>24660654
Nta but avoid obsessing about rationality patterns behind bad ratings. It's most likely not an issue related to the last chapter the user read, but rather something that was bugging him along and he just got fed up by that mark.

>>24660585
>one of the things archmage does well is that it signals exactly what it is and keeps to its promises
>You can tell immediately if you'll like it if the name "New Life As A Max Level Archmage" has any appeal to you whatsoever. If it doesn't, you won't.
>
thanks. that makes the naming system/nomenclature of all the WN books... make more sense, I suppose. You have to admit that even the titles of these WN books. To an outsider seeing this for the first time? Its bizarre. So. The traditional paperback "blurb" is boiled down into the title. Which explains now why all the WN "blurbs" are like, three sentences long.
>
Now I can see where my book blurbs get the hate they do on here. WN blurbs are totally their own thing.

>>24660635
>Author girl anon
Yeah, that's me, I'm cute.
>Story cabal evolution
>Write cabal already
We did, too much in fact.
>Isekai order
>Hate rule five
>Sure fff let
I'm not sure that's a good idea
>Hell man tina
Wordcloud disaproves of Tina
>Zucchini cultivation swap guys

Lots of funny phrases.
>>24660645
I'm surprised that you approve, in a way. I thought you would find it cringy or not pulpy enough. It's very representative of the genre.
The fact that you think it reads well confirms anon's theory that the success comes from a tropey but well executed story.
Thanks for your time and thoughts.

>>24659487
which cabal is this? Immersive Ink?

Reading The wandering inn.

The casual hookups and relationships with lizards and bugs really throw me off. Shit's so disgusting.

How did we even get to the point everyone is fine with characters having sex with cockroaches is acceptable?

And why is it bothering me so much? Revolting. wh40k imperium has a point. kill the fking xenos before your women start banging them.

>>24660669
>I'm surprised that you approve, in a way. I thought you would find it cringy or not pulpy enough. It's very representative of the genre.
>The fact that you think it reads well confirms anon's theory that the success comes from a tropey but well executed story.
>Thanks for your time and thoughts.
>
not a problem. I'm always trying to "shorhorn" a regular trad paperback into one of these WN formats, and... well, you see the results I get. Its comical.

>>24660684
yet another reason why I'll never read it

>>24660693
>"shorhorn"
typo, should read "shoehorn"

>>24660654
I only rate something if I also review it. Sometimes I leave a comment, but I feel like an asshole when everyone in the comments is having fun and I'm the guy being a negative nancy about how you're subverting your own scene by adding an unnecessary element, or how bringing out the thesaurus for every single dialog tag is bad style.

>>24660635
Read Cabal Girl Evolution Story [It's Serialized]

>>24660684
That's one of the issues I have with it, along with the fact that things aren't really resolved. Things just go on and on and on without anything coming to a close. Then 4 other plot points are introduced and they aren't resolved either. Shit just keeps getting more and more bloated, with EVEN MORE PoVs introduced. It's never going to get finished. Also the Palace of Fates arc was garbage and killed any real interest I have of reading further

>>24660684
They don't call it wandering whorehouse for nothing

>>24660684
I got a similar problem when I dropped Perdido Street Station because the mc was a bugfucker with a winged insectoid gf. I mean, if only this were a Japanese novel maybe I would be able to picture her as an anime girl, but since it's a western aesthetic I'm sure the author visualized the character as some Marvel Comics bug-faced alien. It's just unpalatable.

A final solution is required for bugfucking fictions.

>my name is no longer mentioned so I'm not in the wordcloud
happy to not be a source of drama but am I forgotten? Am I doomed to be ignored once more? Is it finally, truly over?

>>24660744
i think you're the only one to ever call it that

>>24660757
Are you rabbit anon? If so you are hovering above our crab realm

>>24660769
I don't think he ever had any drama desu.

>>24660746
>>24660744
>>24660725
>>24660694
I mean i like the story, i just wish there was no lizardfucking and the women being all whores apparently. Fuck im so mad.

I suddenly remembered that time when half the general was re-designing covers for The Crow and The Rabbit haha

>>24660815
Except for one of the main characters, Erin is still a virgin if she didnt get gangbanged by bugs offscreen. Which im pretty sure the author is gonna reveal eventually. Gangbanged by lizards bugs and squids and goblins to make it more disgusting.

I dislike whoring for both men and women and I don't think sexuality is a replacement for personality.
And I've dropped stories for it.
>>24660819
Also, there was one anon complaining that it was off-topic and telling people to go to a graphic design board.

>>24660869
all (You)

>>24660819
i still have them saved

>>24660869
that's definitely just you over and over lol

fuck me
these guys were supposed to be interchangeable grunts but the artist is going so hard on this piece that I can't do that, it would be stupid if I made these guys the grunts and then had a goofy ass barrel shaped not-Kapule as a big heavy hitter (which was originally the plan, they were called Coffins because they sort of enclose you and then fire a bunch of spikes through you)

I'll have to change the presentation and fill in another type of puppet to be the grunt

>>24660905
That's cool, does he have a deviantart or some gallery

>>24660821
she's saving herself for Oberon's big fairy cock. I mean she's the Summer Queen, right? What kind of a name is Erin Summer Solstice?

>>24660887
the closeups are great for RR, the other 2 would be awesome as paperbacks

>>24660887
The Evolution of the Crow and the Rabbit

>>24660929
at this point idk if the author is alergic to human males or something.

>>24660960
normie book bitches love monster men, it's the fantasy version of burning coal

>>24660953
I'm changing the title to Elf Girl (emotional) Evolution, this will put me on rising stars

>>24660961
Im really conflicted wheter i should drop it or not.

>>24660944
i incorporated ideas/suggestions and ended up with this.

>>24661071
you should be able to read the title in the thumbnail, anon. the text is camouflaged

>>24661071
nice but less readable

>Serious situation
>Main character brings up a pop culture reference
>Main character makes a quip
Shut up, shut up, shut the FUCK up. Just tell me the damn story and make me feel something! Stop undercutting everything you Whedonite!

>>24661168
total redditwriter death

>>24659487
This one thanks you for your report. The patriarch will surely reward you greatly upon your return. Please maintain your steady Dao heart, senior.

>>24659487
Lovecraftian in the good sense

>>24660521
All bots with disposable income

>>24660965
There's some stuff like that in there, but also some worth sticking around for

>>24660684
You forgot to mention the tranny lizard. Oh and lyonettes sister has some weird ass red class that empowers her for being a crazy whore.

>>24659487
This is definitely about Immersive Ink or one of the other pozzed servers. My experience with The Order, the actual server where the girlevo cabal originated, has been much different in a mostly good way. It was the first writing-focused server that didn't give me an impression akin to what this post describes, with the performative niceness and such.

Reading through Iliad Book 22, and the closer I get to the ending, the sheer overwhelming imposter syndrome gnaws at me with the crippling realization what I'm writing right now is way too big and out of my league to ever hope of telling such a compelling story. I'm nothing more than a hack fraud bros. It's not fair...

>>24659487
>For now, I will rest and continue backlogging my wuxia web serial.
Good writing in this post so I foretell great success for your serial so long as you follow The Precepts

>>24659487
>he wasn't exaggerating
how do people use this shit
>>24661198
how did you get in?

>>24661201
webnovels?

>>24661198
The Order is elitist central so ofc you will get the polar opposite of Ink's performative niceness

>>24661252
That was a stray /wg/ poster

>>24661250
I was invited very early on because I've been around for a while.

>>24661252
Homer is my favorite web novelist.
>>24661250
>how do people use this shit
NTA but so far I just wasted some time talking with the regulars (I think), didn't find anything there that hasn't been said here.

>>24661077
>>24661079
fuck, i zoomed it out and it looked fine, 4chan's thumbs are smaller, I'll adjust it

The Order is the Dorsia of the web novelist scene?

>>24661250
NTA but your best bet for trying to get into The Order is to try and get into RR Writer's Guild first and try to befriend someone who is in TO, or even just be active for a few weeks and try to ask if someone (whomever you believe you have a good relationship with) would be willing to vouch for you

>>24661250
>how did you get in?
nta but you get in these days by reaching top 25 RS and asking someone who's already in to put you up for a vote. the votes always succeed unless you're a controversial name in some way
you can also get in just by being established/around for a while with at least mild success. for example crow and rabbit anon could probably get in just by messaging someone and asking them to put an invite vote up
it's not SUPER exclusive. there's like 400 members. but you can't be some random

>>24661270
NTA but I heard there was a writing sample thing too? Is it as strict as it sounds or is it just to filter the absolute worst?

>>24661276
It's not very strict but it's also not super loose either.

The main thing is that you need to have some body of work and some success to speak of, you need to be someone, not famous, just someone. >>24661275 is right.

>>24661276
>but I heard there was a writing sample thing too?
no, there isn't
you almost always have to be a royalroad writer though, which means they'll look at your stats. they dont give a shit about writing quality or something like that though.

>>24659487
does this style or type of humor have a specific name?

>>24661201
My growth flatlined this week and I just lost my first patreon subscriber this morning. I think the weight of the badness of my story is becoming too great, which sucks because the pace accelerates massively right after people leave.

I'm 99% sure I'm going to rewrite 70 chapters when I get the book ready for self-pub.

Just hang in there. Everyone starts bad. Nobody is born fully formed from the MFA in Creative Writing womb and immediately starts publishing lit/kino/classics.

>>24661282
Jeremy

>>24661282
To me it reads like pretty typical slav fantast writing, just in english. I recently picked up a novel at a local bookshop that reads pretty much like this, Bodyportal 1 - Kovove Nebe (Metal Sky)

translate the image for yourself, toss it into yandex, language is czech

>>24661294
second side of the page just for completeness of the scene

>>24660521
I just threw zogarth some shekels on patreon. I don't think good writing inherently deserves anything. Money is not an indicator of value or quality, in the web novel space or any other for that matter. It just shows how many people are interested and how invested they are in the story. I have read novels were I respected the authors skill but was uninterested in their story. If something can get my interest enough where I'm able to read for 8 hours straight and forget about everything else then it's worth my shekels. All that matters to me is either a plot/setting that intrigues me or characters and a world that make me want to learn more.

I think most anons who cant fathom why a novel is popular and makes money are simply out of touch. Even though I fucking hate something like DCC and loath it's r*ddit humor I get why it's successful.

>>24661256
No I'm not. I'm writing one, wrote several in the past, and reading several myself.

>>24661294
>>24661298
this is great, thanks for sharing
definitely a similar vibe, i wonder if it's just a type of cultural humor like how australians are naturally kinda funny in their own way

>>24661305
What is Primal Hunter even about and what makes it so good?

>>24661313
There's definitely a distinct feeling that I get from Czech and Slovak fantasy, at least the "adult sff" branch of it. I feel it's inspired by the sci-fi classics that got through the curtain and a lot of noir. There's a pervasive sort of cynicism that seeps through it, but not in a miserable sort of way, more a "it is what it is, who cares, we move on" type of light hangman humor.

>>24661325
also a weird amount of biopunk and classic cyberpunk, i was actually surprised how much stuff with something like that in the first few pages or even on the cover i found in the bookstore

>>24661201
the illiad is boring as shit

>>24661322
>what is it about
Typical system apocalypse setup. Multiverse comes knocking and humanity tries to survive. Main character is your typical unlikable murderhobo. It's quite literally just about him surviving and getting stronger in the face of it.
>what makes it so good
That's the thing. It isn't very good in many ways. The story itself isn't unique at all. For me personally what I find appealing is the vastness of the world. I like exploring it through the character and the challenges and tension thrown in help add some spice. I dropped the book several times before I even found myself enjoying the story when he finally got to explore the universe more.

It's a simple story with a simple setting and executed relatively well. The writing itself is mediocre. I wouldn't rate the story very highly but for the amount of hours I enjoyed reading I will happily throw a shekel now and then. That's quite literally the only thing I care about when supporting an author.

>>24661351
I mean if the world building and characters are good, then that's reason enough to consider a story good.

I don't think I would enjoy it though if you dropped it several times. I dislike it when stories take awhile to get good.

>>24661369
>I don't think I would enjoy it though if you dropped it several times. I dislike it when stories take awhile to get good.
Probably not. The first two books are honestly a bit shit. I'd only recommend it to someone who wants to turn their brain off and read some murderhobo slop that has a lot of chapters.

i will kill myself before i finish a story

>>24661466
Take your meds and get sunlight.

>>24661471
No

>>24661471
don't wanna

>>24661471
can't make me

Just realised that I can fairly safely introduce dbz esq power levels into my story.

Guess who's adding the litrpg tag..

>>24661588
Yeeeessssss... Let the numbers go uuuuuppppp,

Can see why you guys are annoyed

>>24661989
Anons were up in arms, some joined discord just because of that.
You also let out the best of the list: Transmigratted as the Max-level Raid Boss.

>>24662037
LOL. Guess this proves that you can literally crib from Archmage and still get something popular.

i’m tempted to have the MC of the God Simulator isekai come back to a superhero setting just for that extra WTF factor, but i realize that that’s just my desire for writing a superhero wn leaking. not sure if i should make it so, since the themes and setting would be clumsily put together in my opinion.

Is this only for western webnovel scener or did you guys also discuss eastoid novels (japan,china, korea)?

>>24662126
>list doesn’t have the one where the MC proceeds to invent fiat banking, debt slavery, and commits usury to found a great family

>>24662110
Reminds me of FFF-class trash hero becoming progressively more and more insane. I fell off when the whole isekai thing was revealed as a training thing to combat aliens in the real world... and then it went back to the isekai, this time as a baby(?). Genuinely felt like someone was smoking crack the more I read.

>>24662128
i like korean jew mcjew isekai too but it's too short and romance/emotional depth is nonexistant. i feel like he's trying to build some kind of romance with elf bodyguard but found out he can't write romance and focused on things he's best at (finance shenanigans) which i cant say is a wrong direction but i do wish it was longer and had more romance

>>24662126
Aparently the OP has to be in english because last time someone posted one in chinese scribbles (or was it korean) it was deleted.
But we do talk about novels, and we have a resident anon who reads mtl chinese, so I guess it's fine?
Lots of anons also enjoy Kumo.

>>24662126
I need gookshit recs, I have no idea what to read. The only thing I've read is Dungeon Defense.

>>24661071
I dont even see the title. Why dont you look up book designs you like and copy that?

>>24662153
https://wetriedtls.com/series/im-an-infinite-regressor-but-ive-got-stories-to-tell

best webnovel i've read. not specifically eastern webnovel, THE best webnovel i've read period

Koreans make the most soulless ultra consumeristic bugman novels.

This post has been made by the based chinkslop sect.

>>24661265
>The Order is the Dorsia of the web novelist scene?
>
Plot twist.
The Order... doesn't really exist. It was made up to impress someone that such a thing existed. And that the story teller was naturally there. Over time more and more people have come to brag how they, too... are members of The Order.
>
so powerful that they convinced the world... they didn't even exist.

>>24660473
>Reading BtDEM is what made me finally abhor any male writing females
that one's literally written by a woman though

anyway i find a certain kind of ravensdagger flavored "male author who only writes femcs" insufferable but most decent writers (not litrpg powerfantasy slop) can do it just fine

>>24661168
the whole reason some of these stories do bullshit isekai first chapter that immediately gets forgetten is just so they can pull reddit reference humor later on without it breaking suspension of disbelief

>>24662289
>ultra consumeristic bugman novels
that's ready player one though

>>24662251
Is he sitting in a high chair?

>>24662311
You sure? The credits to the first book have him thanking his wife and daughter, which, unless they happen to be lesbian and adopted...

Well, not a single book in the series is above a (generous) 3 star anyway.

>>24662153
You start with the greeks, I mean Omniscient Reader

>>24662251
I just hate time loop stories. The genre is done to death

>>24662427
Still give it a try, it's a lot different than typical loop stories. It's more like slice of life and is non linear

>>24662406
Huh I missed that note. All her social media posts are extremely woman coded though.

>>24660473
Female writing female is even worse though. That's an almost guaranteed passive protagonist.

>>24662061
Archmage itself is cribbed from a Japanese web novel called the New Gate. That one might be influenced by Overlord as well. Hard to say Decatur they came out at a similar time

>>24661989
>>24662037
Lads, I just had the greatest idea: Max Level Mage Girl Evolution

PS why is Archmage a female lead story anyway? Have you ever known a woman that has been rank 1 in a popular MMO that wasn't a support player? I have never heard of that in any game.

>>24662502
>Archmage a female lead story anyway
Because its also inspired by Frieren. The main protagonist flat out looks like her.

>>24661761
Ceria is banging Olesm outside the mating rituals chapter. She's a lizardfucker.

>>24662506
That's unrealistic too. Can you think of any field of engineering or knowledge where the foremost expert is a woman? Maybe it's different for elves I guess.

>>24662506
Its not even subtle.

>>24662126
You expect me to know what each of those titles are? I think the first in A tier is The Little Prince in the Ossuary since I remember that cover

>>24662441
Might be an unironic closeted troon.

>>24662126
>>24662578
i know right
the only western web novel i can reliably recognise from its cover alone is FFF-CLASS UNLUCKY ANTAGONIST

>>24662607
He won

>>24662578
>>24662607
>S
idk

>A
Little Prince in the Ossuary, Omniscient First person point of view (different Omniscient from the homo regressor one)

>B
Surviving the Game as a Barbarian, Kidnapped Dragons, The Main Heroines Are Trying to Kill Me, The Regressor and the Blind Saint

>C
Quit the Hero party, Martial Wild West, The Demon Prince Goes to the Academy, Isaac,The Extra's Academy Survival Guide,Possesing Nothing, Damn Reincarnation,Second Coming of Gluttony

>D
Memorize, The Novel Extra, Villain Wants to Live, Stop Friendly Fire!, Running Away from the Hero Party, Never Die Extra

>homo (none of these are actually homo novel btw)
Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint, Trash of the Count Family, Regressor Instruction Manual

>shit
FFF Trash Hero

>>24662621
>The Main Heroines Are Trying to Kill Me
Yeah this one is a pure trainwreck, the kind of slop you know is slop but can't stop reading out of sheer morbid curiosity

First time poster here.
I've got myself a harebrained idea and close to 20,000 words from the forever soup of my brain. I'm almost up to a comfortable stockpile, and all it needs now is a cover.

>Mamet's Full Metal Panic(no mechs,"""realistic""")+Lovecraft+The World God Only Knows
Is that sloptastic or what?

I've read the guide in OP, but I'm curious to know whether this is horrible or not to other people's eyes.
This is the short of Act One.
https://litter.catbox.moe/wo9qf840j0sg4szw.pdf
R8, H8, Masturbate, thanks!

>>24662648
I'm not downloading any pdfs, but sounds like a mess

>>24662648
Make it into an epub or pastebin or something like that.

Oriko Magica: Sadness Prayer unofficial novelization chapters 3 and 4 are up.

>Ch3
https://archiveofourown.org/works/69296306/chapters/180557886

>Ch4
https://archiveofourown.org/works/69296306/chapters/180760691

>>24662657
>>24662665
Understandable.
That's my bad, Pastebin was acting up on me.
Shit has filters now apparently.
https://litter.catbox.moe/deucnkbw6vq3zufd.epub

>>24662680
I don't know what's that other faggot's deal, but I'm not downloading epubs either.

>>24662648
>https://litter.catbox.moe/wo9qf840j0sg4szw.pdf
Read up to chapter 16, its good. Honestly, everything to do with Wolf is fine so far. Nothing wrong with it.

>>24662685
>>24662657
That's fine, but I can only post this on private mode, and AFAIK you need an account to view it.
https://pastebin.com/paq80kMW

Is the mother of learning good?

I need something to help me forget about The wandering inn and the lizardfucking.

>>24662704
just throw it on rentry, fren
people here can give good feedback but you need to make it as easy and frictionless to access as possible

>>24662648
For all those kind souls, use this link.
https://rentry.co/bhfsdugk

>>24662760
Thanks for reminding me about rentry.
What a mess, lol.

>>24662690
Page 16? Thanks m8. Didn't come off as too much of an ass, didn't he?
He's as cocky as any military brat brought up in a black program with special treatment, but he's a good kid.

>>24662794
Yeah, page 16. Imo its pretty well written as is currently. Like honestly, you shouldn't be worried about the prose or the writing quality.

At this point you should probably be searching for a good cover to use. Its very well done.

>>24662794
Every sentence being broken onto its own line makes it cumbersome to read. The effort to sound poetic comes too often at the expense of clarity. There are a lot of meandering sentences and nonsensical filler words that add nothing ("mirthless winter"?) or repeat what was already established before (you don't need to repeat its winter when snow's on the ground). You use many such generic phrases that AI generators spam (x belied y) and which make me instinctively shudder. The modern weaponry and military jargon clash hard with the earlier flowery tone. That's as far as I got. Not for me.

>>24662794
this is real nice, I enjoyed the prose and execution a lot even if military stuff isn't my thing. No real feedback there.
in your case, it might be worth having a few more specific questions like Wolf's likability (or anything you're not sure worked as intended) when asking for feedback. sometimes it's hard to judge your own characters/hooks/developments etc for subjective effects on the average reader like sympathy or (un)trustworthiness so maybe you'll get better feedback this way

>>24662846
Got it, thanks! It does carry a heavy military/Delta Green undertone to start with, but once Theo enrolls in the Jap HS it gets more focused on the drama.

As per the TWGOK influence, Act 2 will be the real meat and feature the Main Girls. They come into contact with their respective Mythos artifacts to a specific deity, which also act like motifs to their character arc.

As for specific questions, does what you read give you of a clear idea of what Wolf's arc is going to be, and to a lesser extent Maho's?

>>24662843
>every sentence being broken onto its own line
Sorry, but can you explain what you mean by this? For what it's worth, I am planning on breaking it up like the ebook version does before posting it on RR.

>The modern weaponry and military jargon clash hard with the earlier flowery tone.
In attempting the Weird Fiction vibe with a modern setting, I was afraid of this.
A friend told me I like write it's a Conan novel, lol.

I do turn it down for the following chapters, I think.
Sorry to ask, but can you try out Ch 6 and 7 see if that works out better for you?

>>24662917
Shit.
>give you a clear idea*
>write like it's a Conan novel*

>>24662917
>Sorry, but can you explain what you mean by this?
Like, paragraphs, son, do you use them?

>Sorry to ask, but can you try out Ch 6 and 7
Since you asked nicely. The writing is more tonally consistent, at least. But in terms of storytelling, it gets worse. Chapter 6 is basically just a sterile action list. You get more infatuated with tacticool maneuvering than telling a story here. Okay, it's a draft and you'll hopefully still edit it, but your approach should have more focus and sense of purpose from the get-go. You need to ensure your reader understands what is the current goal and how the actions taken help the MC towards that goal, and consider cutting stuff that means nothing. Don't trust too much in that people will get it. As shown by this thread, most have their brain completely turned off while reading.

>>24662738
here >>24662251

Thinking of going the web novel route for the book I've been writing. Thing is I kinda disobey one of the primary rules like the first link; prefer to write in quality over quality so as a result I only have like 12 chapters that are each like 20-30 pages long. They're also each pretty episodic in nature (I basically write like a serialized show more than a continuous storyline) so I'm wondering if this is the right route to go.

>>24663028
*quality over quantity lol

>>24663028
Break it up into 1.5k word segments and upload as is.

>>24663028
>right route
depends on what you expect out of this whole thing
understand that it's not the alternative for tradpub you might be expecting/hoping. web novel readers tend to have their own tastes and expectations

>>24663069
Honestly I have and I do recognize my style of writing is more akin to web novels.

>>24663071
that's good
episodic stuff would be unusual in this space though

>>24663080
Yeah I'd say my style is more akin to that of a web SERIES than anything. Episodic plots that feed into a larger continuous one.

>>24663109
that doesn't sound very meta so temper your expectations

>>24663069
>understand that it's not the alternative for tradpub you might be expecting/hoping. web novel readers tend to have their own tastes and expectations
>
yeah. thats putting it mildly.

>>24663123
Yeah that's what I'm concerned about.

>>24663129
to put it strongly, could just link that rant from a few weeks ago

Tradpubbers would rot away in lowviews if they ever tried writing webnovels
The audience is vastly different

>>24663143
Qrd?

>>24662950
Had to get out for a bit.
Like I said, it's getting broken up for RR.

I don't see how I can significantly revise the opening chapters without divorcing it completely from its Weird Fiction influence.
Here's the thing. Ch 1 is a flashback and Ch 2 is in medias res, and I mean for them to be tone setters for Ch 3-4, where the goal for the first act is definitely established.

It's totally fine if it's not your cup of tea, but I don't think it's fair to say this
>You need to ensure your reader understands what is the current goal and how the actions taken help the MC towards that goal, and consider cutting stuff that means nothing.
When you clearly haven't read beyond Ch 1 or 6.

But I will seriously consider the structural issues.
Would discarding Ch 1 and moving Ch 2 and 3 around be better?
Cheers.

>>24658890 (OP)
Does kinoman still post here?

>>24663176
he posts here every new chapter

>>24662798
Thanks, m8.
I've got an artist I know who's baking something.
Is it a good idea to use the cover to create a expectation in the audience that they only get to starting on Ch10?
I realize I'm using Act One as more of a prologue.

>>24663194
that's just his fans actually

>>24663202
You're right. His only fans are himself.

>>24663176
I’m still here, but the conversation has gotten very boring.
Just muh cabal and muh money.
This place has lost the amateurish charm that once made it special.
>>24663202
120 followers.
cope

>>24663214
>120 followers.
>below average for this many chapters posted

>>24663227
>below average
Because my cover, title, and blurb explicitly exclude Harem are a deadly combo.
Yeah, I lost a mass of readers who would never have made it past chapter 3, but instead I gained an everlasting influx of people who actually enjoy my story and keep reading it.

Rome wasn’t built in a day!

>>24663232
Don't know why you're so happy about people being filtered considering the sperg out you had when someone gave you a bad review telling you why they were filtered.
You really can't take the high road in this case, FFF.

>>24663235
Mod confirmed that the review was written by one of you here.
Also, it’s gatekeeping, not filtering.
>Bro, this story ain’t for you. Don't waste your time, and come back when you’ve got a master degree in economics.

>>24663241
>Mod confirmed that the review was written by one of you here.
Really didn't look like Otocrank was from here, but alright, it's the mod's word against mine. I'll tell you though, that I always engaged you in good faith, more than you seem to give me.
>Also, it’s gatekeeping, not filtering.
And they gatekept you from their easy-reading fiction site, but only one of you spent hours and tried to incite a witch hunt.
Do what you want, but don't claim superiority on your writing.

>>24663247
>Do what you want, but don't claim superiority on your writing.
I’ve never done that. What I’m claiming is that the common standards to judge the success of a series aren’t applicable to mine.

>>24663252
I made my point known, just keep doing whatever, anything I say will go over your head.

>>24663232
>Because my cover, title, and blurb explicitly exclude Harem are a deadly combo
What? Harem is extremely unpopular on royalroad. There's maybe 1 that hits front page rising stars every...year, maybe, if that

>>24663295
Harem not in the literal sense. I mean, the MC have many romantic options.

>>24663302
What
Why do you think this is something rr cares about?

>>24663168
Read some Lee Child and Dan Brown to see how to write a plot-driven action thriller that actually hooks and keeps its presentation lucid. When you have the basic tracks functionally laid down, you can then decorate it with whatever bells and whistles and literary influences.

It's possible to pick up a well-written story literally from anywhere in the middle and it still pulls you along and makes sense. It's not just a series of gobbledygook segments tied together by sprinkles of exposition, the way your draft is right now.

>>24663306
A reader was demoralized that the main heroine of an arc wouldn’t be part of the MC’s love triangle.

>>24663319
And you extrapolated this one guy into being THE major reason your story underperforms??
>Because my cover, title, and blurb explicitly exclude Harem are a deadly combo.

>>24663143
Oh I'm really curious about this. Post it.

>>24663325
Go on /a/, MC-bowls are major source of baiting.

>>24663331
I literally don't even know what you're saying now
but I do know RR and they (meaning the site as a whole, not some random dude in your comment section) don't give a shit about the romance situation of a story so long as it
1. isn't lgbt (yes, even lesbians tend to reduce your marketability, just less so)
2. isn't harem

If we're talking about pure marketability, they generally prefer no romance whatsoever, but plenty of stories are like yours (sticking to one clear romance) or even """harem""" in the strange way you used it (multiple possible love interests, though not actually engaging with them in a harem)

>>24663331
>Royalroad has X culture
>But go look at /a/, Y culture is there
Are you fucking retarded F anon

>>24663147
>>24663328
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24598467#p24600648
some of the replies/resulting discussion explain the problem more accurately desu

I binge read harem sloppa during weekends

>>24663341
Nah, just look at Archmage's success. Anime in general has increased the influx of RR readers.
>>24663338
My point is simple.
In any good shounen manga or webtoon, there’s a main plot and a subplot involving which heroine will win the MC’s heart.
Now, imagine if there’s no subplot about the MC’s love life, but instead about others. In other words, having other males who get laid outside the MC is very unfriendly for a reader who wants to self-insert. This is what /a/ taught me.

>>24662738
theres literally nothing wrong with fucking lizards

>>24663349
>Nah, just look at Archmage's success. Anime in general has increased the influx of RR readers.
Archmage has no romance and firmly establishes the main female character as asexual, which is exactly what I said does best on RR. That shit is not standard in anime at large. Yes it pulls from popular anime tropes for the STORY but we're talking about ROMANCE here.
So what point are you making?

>>24663354
Archmage baited Frieren's readers, so the asexuality is just the MC being smarter than you.

>>24663349
>Now, imagine if there’s no subplot about the MC’s love life, but instead about others. In other words, having other males who get laid outside the MC is very unfriendly for a reader who wants to self-insert.
This is fair enough: making your MC come off as a loser would, indeed, be poison to the average royalroad reader

>>24663346
yuri sloppa is better

>>24663360
Kinda. My MC has no advantage in the system, so he can’t beat anything without preparation and suffering first.
In other words, no quick shots of dopamine.

>>24663310
I have read books from those authors, and if that's the way you prefer your prose then more power to you.

I've tried to engage with your criticism fairly, but you actually haven't said anything substantial besides expressing your distaste for flowery language and commas, which I think really is the crux of your dislike for it.
But thank you for giving me a new perspective on my work.

I don't think flowery prose and modern violence have to be at odds with each other. Jack London's works, to give a similarly popular example, could just as well be a story of contemporary Alaska and Canada in the remote regions, and they can be pretty violent.

shape girl evolution, the new hotness coming to a slop trough near you

>>24662648
What kind of feedback do you actually want? I mean, are you looking for feedback about the quality of the prose, the combination of ideas, the character work, how fit it is for RR and the like?

>>24663409
My bad for being so vague, sorry.
If I had to pick from those, it'd be the character work and the combination of the ideas.
Like I asked that one anon
>is it clear to the reader what the MC's character arc is going to be?
>Is the tone of Weird Fiction meets Black Hawk Down meets Japan too all over the place?
Much thanks for your response.

I have no idea what RR readers prefer, but I'm more interested in just finishing something I set mind on to.

>>24663381
>you actually haven't said anything substantial besides expressing your distaste for flowery language and commas, which I think really is the crux of your dislike for it.
Well, now I regret replying to you at all. That's not remotely what I said, kindly go fuck yourself

>>24663353
Everything is wrong with fucking lizards. If you are physically attracted to lizards you should probably kys.

There hasn't been a single thing I've heard about TWI that doesn't put me off immediately

>>24663467
I genuinely don't know how to describe the process and the behemoth that is TWI as being anything other than the result of a writing addiction.

I literally don't have a slightest clue how you can be attracted to monster races, i mean physically.

The idea is so alien to me it can't begin to grasp it. What goes around in peoples heads? Is this the peak of degeneracy? Especially women seem to like monsters.

How do furries and scalies even exist, did they get fucked by their family dogs or what?

>>24663450
It's true though.
Almost the entirety of your first reply is about the prose not working for you, and when I tried to turn it into a question of structure you recommended I read Lee Child and Dan Brown, whose straightforward stories go hand in hand with their bare if functional prose.

If anything, I should be mad myself, since you won't even put in the effort to actually take the story so far in its entirety and yet see fit to criticize it in vague terms like "start Brown's work from the middle and it's still pulls you along", which to me is just as much a function of prose.

I'm sorry if I've offended you, but I'm just writing what I honestly think.

>>24663467
TWI has some of the best climax sequences in all of fiction and im being completely serious
The characters are also fun and the writing is simply engaging on a moment-to-moment level. There's a reason it has such an enormous fanbase so dedicated to the story they actually read all 16 million words and every 50k word chapter that comes out

Of course you haven't heard good things about it. People on 4chan don't talk about what they like, they talk about what they hate, because this is a miserable website

>>24663515
>best climax sequences
I'm not sure I want to investigate considering the recent topics of contention (see: bestiality)

>>24663530
it's just throwaway mentions of the various fantasy races being in relationships, it doesn't bother me though I certainly do find it weird as well (mostly the insect races being with humans). there's obviously no actual explicitness to it
by climax sequences I mean the actual set-up, payoff to long-running plots. The "Finales" to each book. Genuinely best in fiction

>>24663530
It's the ravings of some retard. It's like claiming there's bestiality in LotR because Orcs have children.

>>24663544
But Ryoka fucks an ugly lizardman.

I'm pretty sure Erin is gonna end up either with a bug or squid or something like that. Or maybe pirate is gonna come up with even more disgusting shit just to annoy the readers.

>>24663530
I enjoyed this shitpost for the joke that it is

>>24663567
There are literally no normal male characters. Pisces maybe but he's being shit on by all of the cast. Just a bunch of freaks.

All the human males get killed off.

>>24663578
this sounds VERY transcoded...

>>24663578
> there are fantastical creatures in my fantasy world
oh no...

>>24663567
>But Ryoka fucks an ugly lizardman.
Off screen. Which is what I said: no actual explicitness
Ryoka situation didn't even bother me. It's Lyonette + Bug that grosses me out

>>24663562
Lyonette fucks a bug, Ryoka fucks a lizard, Ceria fucks a lizard, and Erin keeps getting encouraged to fuck monsters by other characters.

>>24663594
Doesnt matter if its offscreen. The idea is what bothers me. And how the HUMAN FEMALE from our world finds it completely normal to fuck lizards.

>>24663530
There's plenty to dislike TWI for: the bad writing (it is especially rough at the start), the lack if editing, the pacing, the lack of focus, the story, etc etc. Whatever that shitpost was you can simply ignore.

>>24663601
>And how the HUMAN FEMALE from our world finds it completely normal to fuck lizards.
pretty sure they find it weird at the start and then have conversations and come around to the idea. because they're sapient creature, PEOPLE, and honestly it's not that outrageous when you take the whole "fantasy world populated with strange, but sapient and emotionally compatible beings"
anyway I do agree that I'd rather it just wasn't addressed, I was just responding to >>24663467. TWI has a cult following for a reason (and you yourself read so much of it because you no doubt thought it was good too).

>>24663601
bro. /d/ has been a thing long before the wandering inn existed. also no one is forcing you to read it. you are allowed to stop.

The Legendary Mechanic is the only web novel I've ever read that I considered perfect in every way, there wasn't a single boring moment or filler chapter, there wasn't a single "that part" in the entire story for me and the best part about it was that the actually best girl won.

Any recommendations for anything close to LM? Player reincarnated in the game world as an NPC, and actually interacts with the players while hiding his real identity, uses knowledge of the game to become OP is powerful and intelligent

>>24663607
>when you take the whole "fantasy world populated with strange, but sapient and emotionally compatible beings"
>concept to its natural conclusion***

>>24663611
is this an English original or translated?

>>24658890 (OP)
I'm tired of reading reddit humor WNs on RoyalRoad, are there any actually good stories there?

>>24663611
LM falls off pretty hard let's be real
that said Dead Wizard's Diary is pretty good

>>24663622
Translated

>>24663607
So just because they're sapient you start finding them physically attractive? If your dog started talking would you be open to having sex with it? the fuck.

Also all the lizardpeople are trash characters. Not even worthy of being called sapient.

>>24663625
correction: Diary of a Dead Wizard

>>24663623
>are there any actually good stories there?
yeah sure, don't give your definition of this in the slightest, retard. everyone likes the same shit and good stories are objective, even the most well regarded pieces of literature in the world totally aren't called shit by large swathes of the population

>>24663629
>don't give your definition of this in the slightest
It should have been impled when I said I didn't like reddit humor exactly what I was talking about, retard.

>>24663623
As a rule of thumb, if it got the comedic tag, it probably got reddit humor.
Most writers are redditors/discord users. If you want to find stuff you like, you gotta dig through the chaff and learn the telltales of stories you won't like.

>>24663627
>If your dog started talking would you be open to having sex with it? the fuck.
absolutely ridiculous strawman. drakes are strongly humanoid and emotionally and intelligently human in every way. they just have weird dicks, and yes, it's not outrageous that this isn't some huge hurdle to get over when you're living in a fantasy world.

>>24663635
>the genre of books I like to read is non-reddit humor
Kill yourself.

To be more serious, if you can't find a single book on royalroad that doesn't have reddit humor you're just pathetically helpless. how about you stop reading the ones labeled [Strong to weak LitRPG] [OPMC] [Revenge Plot] [It's Serialized]?

>>24663638
they literally have scales, a tail, and not even a human face.

>>24663644
Does your dog stand upright and have mostly the same physical configuration? (Two arms and two legs, a head, muscles, a torso, etc)
They're far more human than they are actually alien
And honestly, all the power to alienfuckers, I don't really give a shit. For me it's just bugs that skeeves me out

>>24663652
Doesn't matter if they stand upright or not. They're not human. I would definitely not go around in fantasy world fucking all the disgusting shit there is.

I'd probably get [Inquisitor] class and start genociding the lizards the bugs and the gnolls.

>>24663661
You've made that clear, and I wouldn't either, I'm saying it hardly seems unreasonable for a world that has many fantasy races of mostly compatible configuration to get freaky with each other. I see it as inevitable to be completely honest.

>>24663661
You're telling me you wouldn't fuck a foxgirl with ears and a tail but a human body?
Because if you would, then "they're not human" isn't your actual argument, you're just arguing over where you draw the line. And of course some people draw it further left or right.

>>24663467
It mogs everything. I agree with that one anon that the casual sex between different species is icky but that's to be expected in a fantasy novel with many species tbqh. I will also say that Pirate is definitely an autistic brony male (male) and likes to project his political beliefs at times in the story that make me roll my eyes. Even so, the story mogs. I won't even bother trying to convince anyone because I honestly don't really care. It's like me trying to tell someone that jalapenos are great on pizza. To me it's an objective truth written in stone by the gods themselves. Simple as.

Any reincarnation stories where the writer isn't a complete coward and lets their reincarnated as a child character have an actual romantic relationship before they reach the magical age of 18?

>>24663710
Pedo

>>24663710
Weird post lol

>>24663708
I would never in million years fuck anything not human. Catgirls or whatever. It's as disgusting as a lizard. But if the main characters decided to fuck a guy with bunny ears i would probably get over it. Not full on nonhuman, or a bug. The hell.

>>24663714
Not a pedo, I'm just tired of reaching that point in the sory where the writer becomes obsessed with peddeling their moral beliefs and ignoring everything about their world's lore (that aoc in a fantasy setting is retarded), It usually tells me alot about how the wn will progress if I know the author is incapable of seperating reality from fiction

I'm more annoyed men never get to have relationships with monsters (Not just monstergirls). Not even saying there should be sex scenes or anything, just romance. And yet, women get to fuck literally anything.

>>24663725
You don't want to stare into Pawn's soulless black pupiless antinium eyes while he ravishes you with a strap-on?

>>24663725
>10/10 entirely human woman except for cat ears
>I wouldn't fuck her
I simply don't believe you.

>>24663739
Laken Godart is fucking a half-troll though?

>>24663745
you dont? i didnt even watch spice & wolf because the girl is a wolfgirl with tail and ears.

>>24663755
Baiting or retarded. No other conclusion.

>>24663492
The pipeline generally is as follows:
>watch disney or osamu tezuka animated film with anthropomorphic animals, the women of which are drawn with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics, at a young age
>sexual awakening coincides with hot anthropomorphic animals
>later in puberty come across more explicit furry art
>the aesthetic is eye catching so consume more
>eventually find furry porn
>branching path, instead of finding furry porn, find japanese style kemonomimi/tail girls
>play a game like Monster Girl Quest
>branching paths unite: become a degenerate monster/animal girl fucker

>>24663774
what? How can you even be in a relationship with a non-human? You cannot prove their mind is similar, they simply cant have the experience of human love because they are not human. Simple as that.

Today's autism is going through the roof. Did we get new regulars or were you guys hiding? Is it because of the wandering inn?

>>24663782
You fundamentally haven't understood the concept of 'fiction' have you?

>>24663794
the regulars have always been autistic, TWI discussions just lets us demonstrate it most clearly

>>24663794
Im sperging out here because i wasted so much time reading TWI and enjoying it and then the author drops bug a lizardfucking on me.

>>24663782
You saying you wouldn't watch spice and wolf over the tail and ears is like saying you wouldn't watch a good movie because the main girl is blonde. Therefore, bait or retardation.

>>24663794
>Today's autism is going through the roof. Did we get new regulars or were you guys hiding? Is it because of the wandering inn?
Tina-anon, checking in. Here's Tina, being all chill. Newfags. All acting up. Sad. many such cases. The hell is this world coming to when a schizoposter is less trouble than the new riff raff blowing through the door.
*kek*

>>24663794
>Is it because of the wandering inn?
It's this, and it's literally a "stop liking what I don't like" and "stop not liking what I like" style argument.
So far there have been two points made about TWI's writing: one says the climaxes are the best in fiction in terms of payoff, the other says that the writing is bad and the story is the result of a writing addiction.

>>24663803
>>24663805
I appreciate the honesty of my fellow litwangers. Carry on then.

>>24663798
Arent you supposed to immerse yourself in the world and try emphasize with the characters? Well the main characters are human. I cannot ever in million years imagining myself liking lizards physically. That breaks the immersion for me.

>>24663745
>>10/10 entirely human woman except for cat ears
>>I wouldn't fuck her
>I simply don't believe you.
Fuck her? I'd pay extra for the ears and I'm not even into that shit.

>>24663805
A perfect example of a zoomer snowflake reaction when they encounter something that challenges them. Either drop it or accept it's only a story. Stop acting like a freaking autistic retard.

>>24663808
you might be retarded if you cannot recognize the difference between someone not being human and hair color preference.

>>24663808
Is it unreasonable to choose not to read a story because you dislike an intrinsic trait of one or more of the characters?
Personally I think that's a totally okay preference to have. There's more than enough good literature out there that you can be as picky as you want and still have a lifetime's worth of lit to read.

>>24663739
>I'm more annoyed men never get to have relationships with monsters (Not just monster girls) men having relationships with more monsters? Would by definition necessarily involve monster girls for them to... oh, shit. I think I see where this was going. never mind. You want guys fucking monster dick. Right. You do you, anon.

>>24663829
>freaking
Cool it with the harsh language dude

>>24663813
Check out Tina, newfags going to-tism (you). This week's been proving you right about everything, the clownworld became too much and you make too much sense. Doctor Strangelove times.

>>24663708
>You're telling me you wouldn't fuck a foxgirl with ears and a tail but a human body?
where do I sign up.

>>24663819
> Arent you supposed to immerse yourself in the world
Yes, exactly this. But you haven't understood that is why it makes sense for the characters.
> and try emphasize with the characters?
No. Emphasizing and liking characters isn't a requirement to appreciate the story the author is trying to tell. Plenty of extremely famous and successful books exist where the MC's are assholes or unpleasant to be around.

>>24663848
>to-tism (you)
to out-tism (you)
Can't copy the Tina, Tina's unique.

>>24663755
This may be one of the gayest things I've ever read.

>>24663851
>Yes, exactly this. But you haven't understood that is why it makes sense for the characters.
Because it doesn't make any sense.

Lyonette is royalty and was deathly scared of the bugs and then starts fucking them. How does that make any sense at all?

>>24663836
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just saying that this behavior is on par with Chris-chan disliking Sonic Boom over Sonic's arm colors.

>>24663863
>How does that make any sense at all?
millions of words of character development perhaps
>how do characters change???? makes no sense
average web novel retard

>>24663710
plenty of japanese LNs. in some of them the 30 year old in a 5 year old body grooms his actual 5 year old child waifu to be his future gf

>>24663863
Did you even read and comprehend the book? It's called character development, people change. You can argue if it's good or badly written character development, but only an idiot would claim it came from nowhere and didn't make logical sense.

List of Wandering Inn characters I would fuck:

Foliana the squirrel woman
Silvenia the half elf
Gothica the goblin
Octavia the stringfolk
Rafaema the lightning dragon
Aria the centaur
Harpy empress
Some dullahan woman in Pallass or something
Most of the fae
That crazy Gazer woman with the big ass eye
The stitch witch
Magnolia Reinhart
That troll queen that plays the bongos
Whichever minotauress has the biggest knockers on the isle of minos
A lamia woman that can squeeze the life out of me
Selphid version of Geneva

Hopefully I am not missing any races. Just know that I would fuck all of them. Except for the bugs but if you forced me to I would choose Xrn. Thanks for reading.

>>24663868
Millions of words of character developement dont make you suddenly be attacted to bugs. Doesn't work like that.

I would probably understand if there were no humans in the world and there was no way back, but it just isn't like that.

>>24663815
there's plenty of people who dont like it for reasons that make sense but the lizard penis schizo is a new one for me

>>24663871
I've never see any thing like that in any of the japanese LNs I've read

>>24663842
Monster girls = Human woman with some cosplay accessories
Monsters = Actually a monster
The worst part is sometimes a creator will bait you into thinking they're giving a guy a monster waifu only to turn her into a monster girl.

>>24663878
Guess what, fictional characters don't have to act like the reader. i.e they are not you.

>>24663872
No amount of developement would make me like bugs. So no i cant understand the "development".
Maybe if i got a lobotomy and were 24/7 on drugs. Which the characters aren't,

>>24663871
You just made me recall of one where the 5 year old child grooms an adult into being her husband. LN are wild sometimes.
>>24663882
Mushoku Tensei for one, out of the top of my head.

>>24663891
>Mushoku Tensei for one, out of the top of my head.
I don't care for MCs who cheat on their wife.

>>24663888
If they are acting incredibly non-human then don't make them human.

>>24663890
bruh? are you genuinely sub 80 iq? reading about her liking bugs doesn't mean you have to suddenly like bugs. is this a basic concept you are failing to grasp?

>>24663896
No human would like to fuck bugs. If they would they're not human.

>>24663902
my extensive visual novel collection disproves this

>>24663902
You must be new to the internet.

>>24663902
Nta but you wouldn't fuck a yandere spiderfolk woman? You don't want her to tie you up in webs and keep you as her prize? You might be gay.

>>24663902
The harem slop genre would like to have a word with you.

>>24663902
the massively popular monsterfucking genre begs to differ

>>24663918
i wouldnt even want a spiderfolk man do that so i guess im asexual

>>24663925
it's simple the fans arent human, and deserve cleasning.

>>24663926
You might be, or the majority of us in this thread are just to far gone. Surely you could at least go for an elf, no?

Guys please don't bully the X Girl Evolution authors.

Should I use my burner account to comment on the situation and why people people are upset (manipulating RS, hindering other launches)?

>>24663954
Be more productive with your time. Just stop hating on other people's success and spend it improving your own story.

>>24663954
>Should I use my burner account to comment on the situation and why people people are upset (manipulating RS, hindering other launches)?
i promise you they're aware of the why behind the spergouts, anon. you are not more in the know than the authors

>>24663954
It isn't productive of your time, let it be. The message though, is really out of touch. Do something, but own it, don't cry when you overstep your boundries.

>>24663971
>The message though, is really out of touch. Do something, but own it, don't cry when you overstep your boundries.
I'm refering to the author btw, not you yourself.

Fair enough. I'm actually supportive of the girl evolution stories and I'm working my way through them slowly. Puppy Girl I gave a 4.5 (people are sleeping on it) and I started Cat Girl but it hasn't really gripped me yet. The protag is just a little too passive. I've heard Horse and Zombie are also really good so I guess I'll do them next, and people say Cow is the worst but it's in the upper half on RS and I love me some cow girls so I guess that's after Zombie.

any of you lads get your feet wet by just posting a chapter here and there, sort of working yourself into a regular writing and posting schedule rather than accumulating a stockpile first. not with an expectation of success but just to get into it

>>24663971
>don't cry when you overstep your boundries.
they didn't do anything wrong. it's not their job or even moral expectation to worry about taking up rising star slots. they wanted to host a mini-event where they got together and launched themed stories. they probably didn't expect all of the failure 50 follower authors would have a collective meltie about it

>>24663954
you should bitch to the moderation, and not just the guy that greenlit this circus

>>24663995
Mods official response:

Okay, I'm stepping in here to officially stop this string of threads.

The fictions in question are fine. The main person who started it asked for permission in a support ticket first; no rules are being broken or anything to that effect. Could it be a bit fatiguing to see so many similar genre stories pop up all at once? Of course. That's understandable. Still, nothing suspicious or malicious is going on here.

So please, stop making threads asking about it when the question has been answered. There have been so many in such a short time frame, it's almost akin to spam, even if being done by different people, though some of them were linking to each other.

Lastly, don't ever be insulting, rude, or anything to that effect on the platform, please. Our rules around this do include the forums, and this is a formal warning to those who did leave posts like that. You may get more severe moderation action in the future for acting like that again, so be respectful, even when you dislike or disagree with something.

This thread will be locked, and all other current threads about the topic have been deleted, given the main questions are answered here. Try not to make a new topic centring around these kinds of questions about these fictions, please. Of course, feel free to discuss them respectfully, but if a forum thread exists about it already and serves the purpose the one you would have made would have, please interact with that thread instead.

Best Regards,
Moderator John,
Royal Road Team

>>24663997
it's over

You are not owed a rising stars spot. Cry about it

>>24663995
Nah I think little events like this are cool and a good thing. I just wasn't sure if I should bother commenting to explain, and other posters are right: surely they already know and understand.

I also understand why people releasing last week would be upset, and why other people would be worried, but I don't think it's that big of a problem. There are ways to save a launch that gets caught off guard by this, and it's trivial to avoid once it's known when they're going to happen (the Ink deckbuilder shitshow is guaranteed to be worse than this one, and it's early december).

>>24663997
doesn't matter, keep doing it

>>24663997
I guess if this is fine, then if another, even bigger cabal also does it, that'll be fine also? Don't even pretend it's anything natural, just force everything else off the rising stars list.

>>24663990
They wanted to fill the RS slots, it's not wrong per RR rules, but you can't expect it to not face some backlash by doing it.

>>24663987
Not much of a point to. Why bother ruining my stories chances at readership when I can backlog and only release when I'm ready? Doing what you suggest seems less casual and more stressful to me than the alternative because you will have more strict deadlines to meet without having a backlog to fall on. If it feels less stressful to you though then I would say do it.

>>24663987
I did because I didn't know any better at the time. In hindsight I got a lot more followers than I should have gotten from doing that, but that only makes it stand out more just how much more I could have had.

>>24663990
>>24663964
evoslopper hands typed this
question is which one

>>24664039
Moderator John himself lurks this general.

>>24663987
>just to get into it
why do you need this
just to learn how the site works?

>>24664017
what you retards don't understand is that there ISNT a "bigger" cabal than The Order. Because TO is the one with already successful authors. Ones who would've hit Rising Stars anyway, and they just coordinated for fun.
Immersive Ink, the much, MUCH bigger one by numbers, tries to jerk each other off all the time and often barely scrapes onto rising stars.
The success of these monster evo stories is because the stories are on market and written to royal road's taste. They would have succeeded regardless of writing on-theme with each other. If one of you tried joining the trend, yours would've been the one to not even reach rising stars (or die at the very bottom)

You fuckers are so whiny. Worry about getting good rather than crying about how successful authors continue being successful. It's just pathetic. Have some backbone, pride, and self agency

>>24664039
>evoslopper hands typed this
nope, I just find the helpless "I can't succeed because of THE CABAL" attitude genuinely disgusting.

>>24664017
It started a nuclear arms race that they can't see quite yet. Immersive Ink already has more than triple the amount of stories to launch than this time around. If they are anywhere near as successful as the girl evos, it's going to cause a lot of issues and bitterness.

>>24664057
>They would have succeeded regardless
cope

>>24664024
>They wanted to fill the RS slots,
If they CAN produce work that gets the most followers and reader engagement, then they deserve those slots, you fucking whiny socialist. Sure it does suck if you would've been #41 on the list and didn't make it because big authors decided that month to launch, but should the mods make it against the rules? Fuck no. That's a cretin mindset

>>24664068
funny how you can't levy a single objective argument for it

>>24664067
Enjoy spending your life assuming success is completely out of your control. I truly and wholeheartedly pity you

>>24664060
>If they are anywhere near as successful as the girl evos
There's literally zero chance of that.
>it's deckbuilder DRECK
Did you see the screenshot of the spreadsheet? Literally none of the stories look appealing at all. At least the girl evolution slop knows what they're doing:
>we want the monstergirl and monster evolution audiences
And most of them have successful stories already.
It's really not the same thing and people are blowing this out of proportion.

>>24664072
enjoy spending your life coping

>>24664071
The objective argument is that RS tracks follower growth and engagement and any story that gets the most of that deserves the top slots, regardless of strategies employed (barring outright fake botting engagement).

>>24664057
>You fuckers are so whiny. Worry about getting good rather than crying about how successful authors continue being successful. It's just pathetic. Have some backbone, pride, and self agency
If RR was a meritocracy then maybe this would be fair, but it's not. If being a good author would result in higher RR rankings then that'd be fantastic, but that's just not the world we live in.

You can ramble about "you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps" all you want but that's not going to change the fact that this is them kicking against the ladder and not really giving two shits if it falls.

>>24664076
evidently not lmao

>>24664057
Pretty sure that anon is asking you a hypothetical question, retard. You're yapping a whole lot and not considering the point they are making. The point is that it's okay to monopolize the rising stars list with coordinated releases. It doesn't matter if the stories are good and on target for the audience. It's shitty behavior and actively allowex. It's annoying to both authors and readers. That alone makes it a valid issue.

>>24664068
I don't care much about evosloppers doing the thing since they will fall off RS if their work isn't actually decent. I just can't help but NOOOTICE how you type. If you really are not an evoslopper then you are probably one of their friends. You type exactly like some of the few intolerable retards in the Order. Kill yourself.

>>24664071
>for it
I'm a degenerate who loves kemonomimi and monster girls. This is literally what gets me off (other than zombie girl that one I'm going to have to enjoy purely on it's literary merits such as they exist). I am literally being catered to by a bunch of A and B rank authors, FOR FREE.

I'm not the anon you responded to but it seems there's 500 more people like me who went and followed all the stories immediately.

>>24664078
New authors get onto RS and blow up all the time. There is no gatekeeping. You are limited by your own ability to provide, and MARKET, a story Royal Road wants to read. Just because the meritocracy isn't purely about the writing itself doesn't make it a meritocracy. There are just external factors to business, and yes, self publishing is a business.
Nothing is stopping you from buying ads, or networking. Anyone can do it. There is no gay gatekeeping like in the trad pub industry. It is a meritocracy.

quality doesn't correlate to popularity and this is a good thing because it means we all have a chance

>>24664078
RR rankings reflect popularity (which is easily measurable), not being a "good" author (which is much harder to measure).
You need to come down off your high horse and acknowledge that there's value in being popular, writing to market, and giving readers what they want, rather than denigrating readers when they don't like what you like.

>>24664068
I don't think anything that I can say will change your mind in that regard, but:
>you fucking whiny socialist
I'm not whining and I'm not a socialist. If anything, you're as bad as the ones that are having a meltie about it.
You can't control people's opnion on things.

The point is, RS is both where authors grow their stories and readers pick ones. If a group (not a single author, a group) can manipulate it, taking every slot, it becomes worthless for everyone. It fucks new writers with good stories and readers who can peruse a diversity of ones.

>>24664074
I didn't say those last two points, please don't put words in my mouth. The point I'm making is that if people see groups able to muscle their way into success to any degree, it's going to perpetuate and become worse. For people who don't want to socialize to have a chance, it's a nightmare, hence the pushback.

And so selfpub turns into the same shit as tradpub.

>>24664109
tradpub is only bad because of the gay external factors like gender and race. so no, it isn't the same at all

So what aspect of tradpub were you referring to then? That success is decided by how many readers you can get, regardless of the strategy employed?
You really think it should work differently?

>>24664115
It's not /pol/ to acknowledge trad publishing gatekeeps on race, gender, and orientation. I'm left leaning and even I'll say that it's obvious as hell.

>>24664104
And ironically, you're defending exactly socialism by doing this. Someone can use a system to rise to the top by having connections to the group in control. In reality that it's either the government or the corporate oligarchy (which depends on corporate welfare).
So far you only proved to me that you're an hypocrite in everything you call me on.

Bro just compete with a group of established authors giving circular shoutouts to maximize mettics. Are you a bad writer or something? Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and join them if you can't compete.

>>24664104
>>24664136
Both are me, forgot to say that.

just VOTE bro, it works :)

>>24664138
>Bro just compete with a group of established authors giving circular shoutouts to maximize mettics
This, but unironically. Just don't suck.

>>24664108
>please don't put words in my mouth.
I didn't intend to, but fair.
>The point I'm making is that if people see groups able to muscle their way into success to any degree, it's going to perpetuate and become worse.
I disagree, for a few reasons:
-being in a group doesn't guarantee success beyond being a good author who knows the RR market already does; half of the evo stories would have made RS anyway just because those authors have a big followerbase already
-the authors who can do that can only spread themselves so thin: they aren't going to launch new stories every three weeks to monopolize RS spots
-it's extra work to join a group and attempt to do this, and when people do that and it doesn't work they'll have wasted energy for no gain, which is an inherent discouragement
-there are 50 RS spots. Wrangling 50+ authors to attempt to dominate the entire RS list is practically impossible. And if it were possible, they'd be better served going to amazon and launching each others' books with 50 5 star reviews on day one to gamify where the real money is.
>For people who don't want to socialize to have a chance, it's a nightmare, hence the pushback.
I think you're overreacting. Look at RS right now: Only Matizu and Legends BlueBlue have more than one total fiction (5 and 2, respectively). 5/7 of the non girl evo authors hit the top of RS on their first fiction on that account. Legends' other story has over a thousand followers. Matizu has 3.7k followers across all his fictions.
It's really not as bleak as some posters are making it out to be. Success begets success but new authors hit it out of the park and get rewarded well enough.

>>24664161
>-being in a group doesn't guarantee success
but we just witnessed that it does

>>24664161
>there are 50 RS spots
And only the top one really matter.

>>24664161
Forgot image

>>24664109
Nah, self-pub doesn't outright ban me for the color of my skin or what's between my legs.

/wang/ is really blooming, huh

>>24664171
top ones*

>>24664163
Those authors were already successful and would have succeeded anyway. It has nothing to do with the group they were in. The group wasn't what made those stories perform. If Immersive Ink tried something similar most of them would fail. What part of this very simple concept does your tiny brain not comprehend?

>>24664173
>Nah, self-pub doesn't outright ban me for the color of my skin or what's between my legs.
How long until it does?

>>24664171
This monster evo nonsense wouldn't even have affected a true success story eg. Just Add Mana or similar (to say nothing of true successes like Archmage)
the best one, Lunadea's, at the current #1 is only performing okay. Any real top-runner would have toppled it easily.

>>24664163
Which of the evo stories is worse than the stories at the bottom of RS now?

Keep in mind that several of the stories pictured have been on RS for a while and are getting pushed down the ranking due to how long they've been on the RS list already.

>>24664171
Do you have any data to back that up? Making RS at all is a significant achievement and gets attention to a fiction. Sure, being at the top is "better," but I wouldn't say the top is the only thing that matters.

>>24664179
you're trying to push this really hard

you definitely have a stake in all this

>>24664188
>Which of the evo stories is worse than the stories at the bottom of RS now?
all of them since they wouldn't even be on RS if not for the raid

>Have a full story ready to be released
>Almost hit publish, but then remember I need to check twenty different discord servers first
>Can't do January since Writer's Union United is dropping twenty stories then
>Can't do February since Authors Allied Aliance is pooling money to get a bunch of ads around their launches
>Can't do March since Internet Storytellers wanted to force Cultivation for that month
>Settle on April since that seemed open
>A month later, Writers Union United finished their drops and has decided to make April their next month
>Oh well, I'll just wait until there's a free spot

>>24664189
I don't. Again: this is what I believe and I find other mindsets extremely pathetic. And I will state as much
Even if I did why would I be on 4chan /wng/ about it? This place doesn't matter in the slightest. There's like 15 regulars here tops. I would be crusading on reddit or royalroad.

>>24664183
>self pub
When I decide to discriminate against myself, I suppose. So never. It would stop being self-pub if someone else was making the call to publish or not.

>>24664186
It's nuts how good Just Add Mana is. I would be studying the first few chapters' characterization but it's hard not to just read the story and enjoy it. Normally I fucking hate doctor who r****t-esque shit but something about JAM just works.

>>24664200
>Even if I did why would I be on 4chan /wng/ about it?
it's very obvious that you're mentally ill

>>24664206
We're on 4chan. You are too.

>>24664196
Cool so you can verbalize how Magpie Girl Evolution is worse than The Devil of Cintra on a literary level, right?

>>24664179
You keep evading the actual argument, the issue isn't that a known author launched *a* fiction, but that they took, collectively, the spots for other fictions.
>>24664186
Not every story gets thousands of followers and patrons, some just get a thousand by showing up in the front page.
>Any real top-runner would have toppled it easily.
And it can get buried, not by Lunadea's, but the others from the same release group. The issue is not an author, but the collective wrench it threw on the class.
>>24664188
>Do you have any data to back that up?
Watch RS for more than a week. You see the one with most followers in your image? Those were at the top and got their moment in the spotlight. Compare to the ones who are just rising now, and you see what being at the top of RS means.

>>24664212
don't need to since they wouldn't be discussed together at all if not for the raid

>>24664215
>the one
the ones*
This keeps happening.

>>24664215
>Watch RS for more than a week.
Sounds like a vibe then.
I'll make a prediction: Immersive Ink's group launch is going to flop and there will be internal drama because at least ten of them won't be ready on time. No more than ten of the stories will make RS, and those will be the objective best stories, most likely written by already successful authors.

Screencap this and check back in December.

Looking like Wattpad is the natural conclusion of every successful selfpub site.

>>24664215
>And it can get buried, not by Lunadea's, but the others from the same release group.
?
What? How? I don't think you know how this works. Archmage absolutely fucking flew up the rankings. How would 10 stories scattered throughout the top 20 affect it getting onto the list and climbing?
The 50th slot is not hard to get on rising stars, and that's all you have to reach. There is no conceivable universe where a true success story running ads can't get the 50th slot

>>24664218
>don't need to
I'm asking you to, because your point is that the evo stories aren't good enough to make RS naturally, so I picked a story that did make it naturally and asked you to compare their quality.
Dodging the issue like that just indicates you lack confidence in your own argument.
So it's not really anything based in evidence or logic, just doomerism and vibes. You can be pessimistic if you want.

>>24664248
how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning

>>24664252
I did have breakfast.

>>24664030
>>24664037
interesting takes boys thanks
>>24664044
i wasnt thinking about why but maybe that's it, i've never registered for any site period before, i cant imagine what the learning curve on the interface must be like

>>24664228
>Sounds like a vibe then.
Sorry I've not been writting down the reality in front of my eyes, silly me. One picture in time is worthy more than what I remember of history.
>Screencap this and check back in December.
Please don't tell me this is who I think it is...
>>24664234
My point is, a story can be relatively unknown until it hits the frontpage. Archmage flew fast and skipped it. The next success story may not.

>>24664263
Archmage took like 10 days or something. Stupid fast for a no name with no shout outs. It always would've hit RS, it just would've taken a bit longer, and then it would've flown up the list all the same. The evolution girl shit would've just delayed it a few days, NEVER canceled its run entirely

>>24664262
if that's the case and somehow a genuine concern, don't gamble your warhorse on scouting the countryside
just mess around with some fanfic first or whatever

>>24664228
Even in this hypothetical, that's still one fifth of the RS slots. People aren't going to look at it and think 'man, their attempt bombed', they're going to think 'wow, even the nobodies can do it. Why don't I?'

>>24664275
The II botnet already has 70% of RS slots at any given point in time. Why does theming their stories together change anything?

>>24664271
You just reiterated what I said. It flew stupid fast and skipped this nonsense. The next one may creep up until it gets enough eyes on it.
Archamage was one, very successful fiction. Not everyone writes Archmage, but they can find their success regardless, if they get enough exposure. It's the exception, and not the rule.

>>24664263
>Please don't tell me this is who I think it is...
It's not. I don't have an "identity" anywhere on 4chan, let alone /lit/wng

>>24664275
If only 20% of fifty authors make it to RS and see any success, and most of the success stories are people who would have made it without the group action, then it's not a strong incentive to try. And again, if they fail to make RS, their failure is invisible to the rest of the site. It harms nobody for them to do that shit over and over as long as it doesn't work.

I don't think it'll become a problem. And if it does, mods will probably step in, or users will just get used to dropping 2 star ratings like confetti on obvious collusion attempts.

>>24664296
You seem to be implying a viral story with top 1 potential could be stifled by something like this evo girl nonsense. I'm saying it wouldn't. It might take a bit longer to hit rank 50 on rising stars, but the moment it does hit that, and gets eyeballs en masse on it via the RS page, it would blow up to rank 1

a 500 reply thread on /lit/ might genuinely be a first

>>24664305
We agree to disagree then, I don't think my arguments can change your mind and yours can't change mine. But thanks for having a sensible conversation amidst all of this.

RR could just make a seasonal section and allow the community to vote on the theme for the season. Separate them from Rising Stars and disallow large coordinated themes outside of the section. They won't do it thougheverbeit.

This entire discussion seems to boil-down to 'only my story should be a success. why isn't it?'

>>24664314
On /lit/? No shot. But for /wng/ yeah it's probably a first.

>>24664317
I think they do writing contests occasionally. I missed the last one they did. I'll probably participate in November's nanowrimo though, just need to pick a story and get the outline ready in a month or two.

>>24664318
or so you keep trying to say, bootlicker

>>24664316
hm. stories that perform on RS also perform, relatively speaking, outside of RS, simply from the latest updates page and ad conversion. a story with high natural virality will get like 200+ followers on a single ad, which, combined with regular chapter posting, will undoubtedly get them to at least rank 50 on rising stars (which really is not difficult to get).

a story with rank 1 potential at rank 50 performs shockingly well. if you watch trends on RS you can see this. Archmage was pulling in more followers per day at sub 40 rank than most of the top 7 were. Even not using Archmage, and instead just a normal big success like JAM, that's also true. you can tell which stories will get rank 1 from VERY early on. they get shit loads of followers even down in the sub 30-50 rank.

so where in my argument do you disagree? just wondering

What have you been reading recently? For me its:

>I Got A Rock
>Mask of Humanity

>>24664300
Survivorship bias is why I think it could be a problem. They'll ignore the failures and focus on those that made it. And since people are fans of making quick judgements, they'll literally judge the books by their covers and determine that getting in a big group to do one of these coordinated releases = easy RS.

I do agree with your last statement though. If it becomes a real problem, either the users, mods, or both will react accordingly.

>>24664335
You are correct in all you assertations.
>so where in my argument do you disagree? just wondering
I think that not every story that achieve success will achieve it in a viral manner. Some stay hidden until they blow. Archmage is the exception we're all talking about. Some stories may achieve the same relative success of Archmage but take a while to get there. Maybe they only get there if they make it to the front page.
I do recognize that my point is hypothetical, while your's rely on two data points. But I don't find it compelling enough to rebate the main issue, which is a group of fictions made by a group of authors occupying RS.

>>24664351
Right after I finish the last 20 or so pages of Iliad I'm going to read Labours of Zucchini, and Hegemon of Shongma, and take a crack at "The knight, the dragon and the necromancer. Daert dilogy-1". I found out his stuff by chance and they look interesting to say the least. I
m also going to force myself to start reading the UnderCurrent Saga after those. https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/59168/the-undercurrent-saga-hard-sci-fi-space-epic-5

>>24664351
Finished one anon's work but I'm not sure if I give it a review as I would be dropping from a 5 rating to a 4.5 review (which would bring their score down).
Tried Saving The Lich Queen but it filtered me thematically and didn't keep my interest.

>>24664351
I recently picked up the girl evo stories and Just Add Mana. Two weeks ago I spent a week binging all of Beware of Chicken.
I'm thinking of picking up Rimelion: The Exploiter but the last fetish premise story (INT is my Dumpstat) was boring and I dropped it so now I'm more leery.
Outside of RR I've been catching up on my J-novel Club translated Jap LNs. Pens Down Swords Up is my current favorite, just ahead of Let This Grieving Soul Retire.

>>24664376
If it's an anon from here, I'm sure they'd be fine with a 4.5. Most of us have thick enough skin not to have a meltdown over ratings other than 5s.

>>24664370
>Some stay hidden until they blow.
Maybe, but not ones that run ads and release chapters frequently. Those ones wouldn't have made it to Rising Stars anyway. They have long, slow growth, e.g. Super Supportive, and are irrelevant to the Rising Stars discussion.

>>24664085
>I'm a degenerate who loves kemonomimi and monster girls. This is literally what gets me off
>
don't mind me. taking notes that's all. So you want monster girl, having smutty sex. And you are not alone. Make that, and the 500 come running. Thanks! Gotcha.

>>24664399
Literally yes. Thanks for your attention to this matter.

>>24664351
Just finished binging Can You Conquer The World With Martial Arts. That shit goes places and I can't wait for more. Honestly some of the best cultivation I've read.

New FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' chapter is out.
This time Jacques goes back to the future.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2542346/man-part-six

ONE CHAPTER LEFT TO THE END OF VOLUME 3.
Stay tuned for tomorrow.

>>24664469
so um like wait a second... is Jacques actually Rinaldo?

>>24664489
Delusional.

You know, despite the autism, this is a really comfy thread. I love you guys.

>>24664547
Same

>>24664547
The TWI one was funny but the evo girl one was rather upsetting.
But most here are chill.

>>24664563
literally me

>>24664563
I'll forgive you but make sure you go back to pretending.

>>24664557
>>24664563
>>24664575
:D

Anon was spitting facts about the evo girl situation tho

>>24664406
>Literally yes. Thanks for your attention to this matter.
This might call for a back burner idea that me and another anon here were tossing around.
"Goblin Girls Gone Wild".
I mean the name says it all, right? I was thinking MC had a mommy dommy goblin girl. She shares him with a few like minded naughty goblin girls. Next thing you know... goblin girl harem, mommy dommy style. I figure I get yuri out of that, what with the naughty goblin girls interacting.
>
What would that do for your precious rocks and their getting into the off position. Or any tuneups you could offer. I get bored? I try making 2k word chapter one. Now. If I had a "special reader" (hint, hint) I could work better. IN fact, such a reader could sign off on outline, maybe. Suggest editorial decisions. Hey, I like the compound sentences. No, short and direct.
>
I'd just have to trust such a reader had tastes that were... compatible with some slice of the market. Such a reader? Could potentially get something like editorial credits.
>
Food for thought.

>>24664646
Please stop, I can't handle it anymore.

>>24664406
in the future if you hear someone shout out "monster girl 500 anon"? They mean (you), lol. Just remember the name GGGW and you'll notice if i ever pop a sample chapter up.

>>24664385
>If it's an anon from here, I'm sure they'd be fine with a 4.5. Most of us have thick enough skin not to have a meltdown over ratings other than 5s.
>
My Idea. In public, we should only leave 5 stars (4 to 4.5 in rare cases. This will be our internal code? We really didn't think much of it) But why not help each other out. BUT you can rip them new ASS back here. We air dirty laundry in private. Its a real review system. We all do each other nice. We still get to shitpost it, back here where it counts.

>>24664658
[Unfortunate News] I'm not really into goblins. They're massively overdone. [Sorry] [Good luck though]
Same with monkeys actually. If they're too humanoid to start with my anti-neanderthal instincts kick up and I strongly dislike it. Ogres, onis, orks... Extremely porcine orcs are on the line and at that point just make it a pig (pig girl evo would go hard imo).

>>24664673
While it sounds nice, there's always going to be those who want to piss in someone's Cheerios. I feel like it would need to be stated somewhere that if someone is trolling reviews not to freak out and cause more problems. After all, it's still engagement for RS purposes and can also be fixed. If we could stand that, I wouldn't mind reading and reviewing fics from anons like that.
>>24664686
I'd like a pig evo if it took manners of speech as upgrade options.
Ex: Phat Hog gives buffs for wearing a leather jacket and the ability to summon a motorcycle, while Bringing Home The Bacon is money based.

>>24664708
I wouldn't mind doing some review swaps with anons here too.

When's the next thread?

>>24664889
What's wrong with this one?

>>24664901
The hubcap fell off, the blinker doesn't work, and a bunch of bums came and graffitied it.

>>24664908
Yeah, that's called 'soul' pal.

how in the hell is there 550 on this general? Jesus H christ. Do you niggers think bandwidth grows on motherfucking trees? Well? Do you?
*kek*

>>24664660
>Please stop, I can't handle it anymore.
you sound just like your mom, when she says that

>>24665009
The bandwidth exists whether it's used or not, might as well use it.