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>>24650941

>Thread Question:
What’s a book/series that completely wrecked you emotionally by its end?

>>24659332 (OP)
toot

All right fellas, now hear me out...

>>24659340
Hotter than The Lady. I want her to bind me down and torture the shit out of me.

>>24659340
I can fix her

>>24659369
She obviously has low self esteem, it would probably be the opposite.

>>24659332 (OP)
>TQ
Malazan many times, the ending of mistborn era 1, red rising book 6, the song of Achilles

>>24659406
I hope this is bait.

>>24659407
no

>>24659340
The Black Comapny is kinda lowkey garbo fr mang

>>24659480
I like it. The protagonists are sneaky bastards.

>>24658213

dead before I got meaningful responses

>>24659511
As the second reply said, it's simply generic edgelord slop. I suppose you're better off reading it than Abercrombie, but if you really want to get into grimdark fantasy, Karl Edward Wagner's Kane is a better starting point.

>>24659340
Would

>>24659511
Prince of thorns is shit and babbys first entry into grim dark. What other grimdark have you read? Malazan or the black company are usually the go to for grimdark

>>24659591
Malazan I haven't mustered the courage, dropped it a couple of times before

>>24659569
>better off reading it than Abercrombie
why would you say that? Abercrombie is widely praised, even here my man

>>24659593
You have to power through gardens of the moon but when it clicks, it’s really enjoyable. It is a commitment though. I got up to book 5 and took a break for about 3 months as I needed to reset my brain

windup girl
>namedrops 500 thailand/SEA terms in the first 10 pages
No wonder I got filtered by it last time.

My dad was going to name me after Vladimir Harkonnen
What does that say about my dad?

>>24659642
did you end up obese or did you overcome

just cracked open shadow of the torturer after putting off botns for years.

>>24659642
>being named after a fat pedo
Your father hates you, or himself.

>>24658902
Are you stopping by starbucks each time for a slutty little iced coffee?

>>24659815
I havent been to a starbucks since 2000.

Lysander MUST die.

>>24659340
Cute
>>24659369
I'll never understand the desire to be femdommed

Lysander WiLL live

>The number of Americans who read for pleasure has fallen by 40%, according to a new study. Researchers at the University of Florida and University College London have found that between 2003 and 2023, daily reading for reasons other than work and study fell by about 3% each year.

>The data was taken from more than 236,000 Americans who participated in the American Time Use Survey and the study was published in the journal iScience. The definition of reading in the survey wasn’t limited to books; it also included magazines and newspapers in print, electronic or audio form.

>The literacy level in the US is estimated to be about 79%, which ranks as 36th globally.

>>24659902
Pierce Brown will have a riot on his hands.

>>24659896
One of the primary appeals of domination is the letting go of everything. All responsibilities, all cares, and all worries. For a few brief moments, you are at peace.

>>24659845
I didn't ask you.

>>24659888
by my hands
>>24659902
in fear of dying by my hands

>>24659332 (OP)
>TQ
I don't tend to cry with books I'm an ssri zombie, which may be the issue. I tend fo find good endings satisfying enough that I'm more happy than sad. Beyond obvious ones like LotR, Larry Correia's Saga of the Forgotten Warrior had a rather poignant ending, as did Urth of the New Sun. If we're adding strong emotional reactions generally Ulysses's birth in Dark Age got to me most recently.

>>24659910
Yeah but I can't entrust all that to a woman + I don't care to be beaten

>>24659905
Okay now adjust for brown people

>>24659915
Guess you'll have to settle for a man then.

I thought the rim Golds were being set up to be a formidable force after reading Iron Gold but they've just been btfo'd by both sides since then.

>>24659923
They wrecked the earth defense fleet but yeah Brown overhyped them just like the Ascomanni

>>24659921
I could just...not get dominated???
Yeah sounds pretty ridiculous these days

>>24659926
They overhyped themselves. Seraphina and her mother were the only rim Golds pushing to join the war between the Republic and more Golds meanwhile Romulus knew they would get wrecked and wanted to stay neutral until they rebuilt their strength and one side one out. Turns out he was right and his wife and daughter had a woman moment that led to a near genocide of their people.

Is Abercrombie worth reading? I need a bit of a palate cleanser after rereading Bakker back to back to back. I don't mean in tone, just pose. My understanding is his writing is "punchy" rather than grandiloquent.

>>24659934
I meant Brown overhyped them by talking up their super secret advanced ships built at mystery dockyards that are faster and stealthier and bestester than anything else whoops they died before doing anything

>>24659923
They had all their power destroyed before they could really retaliate. They had to grovel to the core golds due to Darrow gutting their fleet and then by the end of lightbringer they have even less. I really liked them though as a faction.

>>24659911
Actually you did, im the diarrhea guy from the previous post.

>>24659937
>I need a bit of a palate cleanser after rereading Bakker back to back to back.
Just finished The Thousandfold Thought and just started The Judging Eye. I put off the Darkness that Comes Before for a few years but wish I hadn't because these books are great.

>>24659920
> adjust for brown people
That will eliminate all burgers.

>>24659937
> Is Abercrombie worth reading?
Definitely no. Id suggest reading Tad Williams, Raymond Feist or Gemmell instead.

>>24659971
You didn't say anything about diarrhea. How can I diagnose your barnes and noble plops without the full context?

>>24659937
The first law is like the marvel of fantasy. has its moments.

Thread is off to a grim start

>Benford
>Bear
>Brin
>Baxter
>Banks

Any other essential B's from Science Fiction that I'm missing?

>>24660164
Brandosando

>>24659937
The first law is enjoyable and pretty well written imo. I recommend.

>>24660164
Brown

>>24659905
Reading is simply not an instant gratification thing.

>start reading A World Worth Protecting (another Er Gen novel)
I'm surprised it took this long to stumble upon a cultivation protagonist that kicks his opponents in the DICK

>>24660164
Bulychev, duh!

zara dropping more bakker praise kino

>>24659480
maron shed in book 2 is the best piece of shit ever

>>24660185
that is NOT him
lmao

>>24660370
>eceleb
>bakker spam
>kino
Holy newfag nigger.

>>24660384
Yes that is him. The King of /sffg/

>try reading The Knight
>get filtered immediately
I guess I was the brainlet all along

Pax is a cool kid. Lysander is not. Simple as.

recommend some books that the libs don't want me to read

>>24660578
The Bible

Finished this today and it's probably the most hilarious thing i have ever read, the gradual plunge into absolute, uninhibited depravity and insanity is simply glorious.

I have always stayed away from Ballard's Crash, because the premise seemed offputting and outlandish to me, but now i suppose i have to reconsider... to anyone who has read both: if i enjoyed High-Rise as much as i did, should Crash be an auto-read, basically?

>>24660598
No, avoid crash, it just isnt good.

>>24660577
Pax has a harem of Amazonian like warrior women around him. He’s an instant chad

>>24660577
>>24660630
Pax is destined for death like all others who have carried his name.

>>24660630
Nah, he's with the autistic blues now.

>>24660642
stfu Pissander

>>24660642
>>24660677
Pax MUST die

>>24660707
>Victra loses a son
>Now you want to inflict this pain again as Pax is basically one of her own
How could you do this to best girl?

>>24660712
pierce brown is enough of a ragebaiting fag to kill victra in red god anyway so it doesn't matter

>>24660712
I don't want to hurt best girl but PB won't give up the irony of killing the Republic's first son, whose name means "peace"
It's not about me wanting him to do. He simply MUST die.
>>24660726
if he kills Victra I'll kill him irl

>>24660736
*to die

Summer is almost over, we just need to hold out a little longer and the RR kiddos will be gone

All this Red Rising shit is so fucking annoying... /sffg/ nowadays feels like /red rising general/, a place for retards to discuss their atrocious semi-scifi YA slop and the fates of its wannabe edgy teen protagonists

uh oh melty

>>24660750
>>24660764
>he thinks we’re going anywhere
lolololololol

seethe, dilate or have your own discussions. No one is stopping you.

>>>Muad'Dib's Jihad caused a devastating loss of life, with a conservative estimate of 61 billion people killed, along with the sterilization of 90 planets and the "demoralization" of another 500 worlds. Additionally, 40 ancient religions and their followers were completely eradicated. This galactic holy war, which expanded the Fremen Empire across 10,000 worlds

BULLSHIT, IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN! IT'S LITERALLY NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE SOLELY SWORD-WEILDING TOWELHEAD FREMEN TO ACCOMPLISH!!!
>Muh lasweapons tho!
BULLSHIT!! IT'S VERY THOROUGHLY STATED IN THE LORE THAT THE INVENTION OF THE PERSONAL SHIELD HAS RENDERED THE USE OF LASWEAPONRY NOT ONLY OBSOLETE, BUT ABSOLUTELY SUICIDAL TO USE! EVERY SINGLE PLANETARY DEFENSE SOLDIER IN THE LANDSRAAD IS ISSUED A FUCKING PERSONAL SHIELD!!!
>Muh family atomics tho!!
LIES! THE ATREIDES FAMILY HAD AT MOST, 100 WARHEADS TO THEIR NAME!!

IT'S BULLSHIT! IT'S NOT POSSIBLE GIVEN THE STATE OF TECHNOLOGY AT HAND! I DON'T HIVE A FLYING FUCK HOW GREAT THE AVERAGE FREMEN SOLDIER SUPPOSEDLY IS!!!

IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN! IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!

SHENANIGANS! SHENANIGANS I SAY!!! SHENANIGAAAAAANNSSSSSS!!!!

This didn't age well.
>RR discourse is sporadic, it's not frequent enough to justify a general.

>>24660790
>Redritrannies BTFO
GOOD.

>>24660764
I'm convinced it's only two shizos doing it. No one else gives a shit.

>he would rather seethe about a book series than discuss one he likes
Sad!

>>24660793
Literacy is dead.
Long live brainrot.

>>24660778
Only interesting post ITT

>>24660790
They already tried a general. Surprising no one, there wasn't enough discussion to sustain it past a week and then they came back here. You're going to have to put on your big boy pants and deal with people discussing books you don't like. It seems like almost every thread that someone mentions picking it up because of the shilling so it's going to keep popping up until it's run through everyone like smallpox.

When I finish lightbringer, I'm going to read the series all over again and discuss it in /sffg/ as if it were my first time reading it.

>>24660796
Yeah I tried that here >>24660598 before seething in that other post >>24660764

it's annoying because the constant and unending regurgitation about generic YA slop like Red Rising makes /sffg/ simply uninteresting nowadays

>>24660813
I like RR but yeah there's no way there's enough discussion on it to justify its own general.

>>24660900
>seethe
>slop
the red rising fags along with your newfag ass all belong on the same pyre

>/Stupid Fucking Faggot General/ is STILL talking about Reddit Rising
Dead general, dead genre(s)

A lawyer representing the online message board 4chan says it won't pay a proposed fine by the UK's media regulator as it enforces the Online Safety Act.

According to Preston Byrne, managing partner of law firm Byrne & Storm, Ofcom has provisionally decided to impose a £20,000 fine "with daily penalties thereafter" for as long as the site fails to comply with its request.

>>24660921
YA slop is simply the most fitting description for garbage such as RR

>>24660795
There are at least three of us unless horsefag and Lysander MUST die poster are the same anon
>>24660900
Why couldn't you just make a Ballard thread? He's not SFF, he's literary fiction, and well liked on wider /lit/ to boot. Don't be buttblasted because a general thread collects discussion of series that are generally popular in the SFF sphere.

>>24660927
It'll be /Stupid Fucking Faggot General/ until you leave, frogposting tard

>>24660975
>Antipepe
Thanks for outing yourself as a redditor, lmfao.

>>24660979
>Redditfrog
The frogposter cries out as he strikes you

>>24660988
>Pepe is..... LE REDDIT
Modern faggot-assed revisionism.

>>24660991
>Muh revisionism
Concession accepted. Now post an opinion about a SFF book you like.

>>24660997
>Concession
I'm not selling snacks, RETARD. I love Ringworld though.

At least the red rising fags talk about the books

>>24661008
They literally say the same faggot catchphrases every post.
>Lysander MUST die
And
>HUUUURRRRRRR, ME WAN FUCK HORSEY!!!!
Fuck off.

>>24661003
>I love Ringworld
That's cool. I'm too much of a fantasyfag to get into hard SF but Niven was a cool guy. I've been reading Till We Have Faces and some Clark Ashton Smith lately. I got two David Gemmell books used recently; might try them sooner rather than later.

>>24661013
>ritualposting BAD
Okay
>>24659939
>>24659954
>>24659934
Here are anons discussion plot and worldbuilding in the RR sequels.

>>24661022
*discussing

>>24661022
>Spamming/flooding BAD!
Correct. It's literally in the fucking site rules.

There are now more posts seething about RR posts than there are RR posts.

>>24661026
Your constant offtopic whining is closer to spamming than ritualpostingfags are. But it won't stop you, so why would it stop them?

>>24661041
Good. We don't want you here. Fuck off.

>>24661026
fucking wannabe janny KEK

I will stay here and talk about red rising forever

I read Cinder Spires and it was great, though the second book was much slower than the first. Anything else to catch the Horatio Hornblower itch in fantasy? More organized navy, less pirates. I've read a ton of fantasy pirate stuff already

>>24661026
>Jannies are.........LE GOOD!!!

I would like to read some post-apocaliptic/zombie slop and I really like The Last of Us setting. Is there something similar, with the same action/location/faction war patterns (but not necessary the same story)? I have Molles/Bourne's books about military guys, but I would prefer something more distant than the immediate outbreak.

>>24661125
Empire of the Vampire is basically fantasy Last of Us but with vampires.

>>24659332 (OP)
favorite plot twist

>>24661184
Nah, I have tried it.

>>24661125
Swan Song is that but better and no zombies.

>>24660778
What about just big ol rocks dropped on the planets?

Name a book or series that everyone in /sffg/ has read

>>24661267
Tolkien, Rowlings, some school/child classic.

>>24661267
the hobbit

>>24661267
Reverend Insanity obviously.

>>24661267
Frog and Toad

>>24661267
Chronicles of the Black Company. Way kf Kings despite how much /sffg/ will deny it.

>>24661267
Hunger Games

>>24660446
>>24660185

>>24661047
>villain LITERALLY starts quoting Satan

I felt like I should've gotten mad but I didn't

>>24661267
Literally none.
You won't find a single book that even half have read.

Thoughts on the Uplift saga by David Brin?

>>24661360
The Hungry hungry caterpillar

>>24661381
based if true that's like the first book I owned

>>24661267
Conan and John Carter

This shit is infuriating. Dude manages to write 400 pages where nothing happens and the entire plotline in the second book is driven by retards doing the absolute most idiotic things or conveniently taking antagonists' words at face value. Also half of it is some S&M fever dream.
The worst part is that i fell for it and read two volumes. Well fucking played.

>>24661267
Surely every /sfgg/ lurker has at least read the first Dune book, right? ...right?

>>24661418
Never touched it. I heard Star Wars ripped off Dune and I never gave a fuck about SW so that could be a contributor. There is much better sci-fi and hard sci-fi out there.

>>24661418
Too popular for me to consider touching.

>>24661267
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but I'm not sure about zoomers.

>>24661394
I WISH people here had read John Carter

>>24661434
I'm one of the few people who watched the movie does that count?

>>24661435
That's about the best I can hope this these days
You can bet your ass I'll be shilling the cartoon here nonstop for free when it comes out

>>24661418
Hebertslop lmao

Just finished best served cold. Overall it was good. I think Shivers/Monza have slightly weaker character voices in comparison to the first law POV characters the BSC characters have a better arc over the course of the story. Seeing the two main characters change over the course of the story because of each-other was satisfying
Im kind of astonished that Abercrombie did the same twist with Shenkt that he did with Salem Rews/Pike, where a character you knew is revealed to be someone else. It wasnt a bad twist but using the same twist twice makes it a little stale.
I think Shenkt was a cool concept as an eater POV but I never really enjoyed reading his chapters very much. I knew he was an eater pretty quickly but didnt guess magi.

>>24661447
Eaters tongue my anus
When is he gonna move the higher power conflict along more?

>>24660218
Even RevIns FAGGOT won't talk to me about xianxia protags kicking their opponents in the balls. What a fucking bitch. If we were cultivators, I would cripple your meridians and then hobble your tendons like that bitch in Malazan.

Iron Gold is criminally underrated. If you hate this book, you hate worldbuilding.

>>24659951
Didn't that have a guy drop his rifle to pull out a pistol for a precision shot?

Good slop, a relic in our modern era.

>>24661377
This is a minor reply because I only read the first one, but aside from the uplifted animals which are a delight I loved the nonchalant world building that felt more strongly featured than the central thrust. It reminds me of the old Sci-Fi short story style where paucity meant that you had to trust readers to understand the minor things, but you also felt a need to be exotic to catch attention. "A citizen wouldn't do that" is such an odd phrase that catches the attention and can be mistaken for a sort of nationalism. Instead its the author wanting you to get that in this society there is an ongoing mental eugenics where those capable of violent acts cannot become citizens. This isn't really important to the plot except to act as a complication for any sort of murder mystery that might arise. Its such a fascinating capsule of why I loved the genre as a kid.

why do people hate lyria

>>24661488
I literally never said I hated iron gold, I don't know why you're talking to me like that

>>24661556
Because she a stupid whiny bitch.. typical gamma. She gets better in Dark Age though and her relationship with Cassius is cute.

>>24661561
I never said it was you anon

>>24661488
It gets a lot of shit because it resets the pace of the series, I think. Books 1 through 3 flow so well and then IG is basically a speed bump. It's necessary because of the time skip, and I don't hate it at all, but I see why it's viewed unfavorably compared to the others. When people say they hate it or that it's the worst book in the series I think they really mean they're rating it just a point or two below the others.

>>24661377
Is it bad that the cover made me immediately think of the Wonder Twins and Gleek?

>>24661580
Oh ok my bad

To the anon who recommended Spiderlight, you were 100% right, it is a breath of fresh air. I'm half way through but I can't pinpoint why exactly.

Any oldfags in here? I have been disillusioned lately. Most of major stuff recommended online is mostly pure crap. Talking here about Mirrorshades, Dozois anthologies etc. I liked some short stories from for example Melko but it's just such a big pain of ass trying to discover new things. For every 10 books I order there's 1 book-length of content worth reading if that. Anyone dipped into Prometheus awards? Are they worth it?

>>24661646
because you haven't read a standalone in ages and didn't realize how much better they are.
>>24661878
modern crap? that's why

Finished Lord of Chaos. Dumais Wells was incredible. I am not waiting to start Crown of Swords, I'm picking it up after posting this.

>>24662014
Nice anon. You are now fully entering the schizokino era.

>>24662014
I actually really liked Crown of Swords. I liked it more than Lord of Chaos even.
>>24662038
>it's a rand schizo episode
nice

any book where both of these happen?

Starting to read through Edgar Allan Poe's short stories and the first 2 were early sci-fi though one was apparently ripped off of another novel that was titled "A Voyage to the Moon" by George Tucker

>>24662038
I can only imagine how insane he seems from the outside, but from Rand's point of view the voice in his head is real and he's a giant pain in the ass.

>>24662080
Kill them, anon

>>24661418
I have read all the real Dune books and in my shame the ones "written" by his son and a slopmachine.

Gene Wolfe anyone? Which short stories from him are a good start?

>>24662280
Are you asking for a collection or specific individual short stories?

>>24662330
Yes.

>>24661457
Not anytime soon, or maybe ever. He hasn't even hinted at plans for a third trilogy Funny thing is I wouldn't have cared, if he hadn't made the second trilogy. It was extremely disappointing but one thing it did right was give a framing of the story and make it explicitly about humanity's struggle to get out from under the thumb of immortals hidden behind the scenes.

Not sure about Glustrod or Juvens or whoever coming back, but I would like to see how the whole immortals controlling humanity's destiny thing pans out now.

What do we think of Ron Hubbard Writers of the Future? Interesting or too kooky?

>>24662411
Is that a Scientology thing?

>bugmen
>lizardmen
>robots
>fashy humans/elves
>all-consuming ooze
which cliche space opera villain race is the best?

Every other day I check the Red Rising subreddit hoping for news about the final book and it's pure torture.
>I got an ugly red rising tattoo, here it is
>I put an ugly red rising decal on my car, here it is
>I gave my child an extremely stupid red rising character name
>here's some hideous fan art that looks like it was drawn by a 12 year old, isn't it great?
>here's a screenshot of my chat history with my relative who just started reading red rising, isn't their reaction hilarious?
>am i the only one who {has an extremely generic opinion}
>the red rising adaptation should not be live action, it should be animated in the style of arcane, has anyone here seen it?
>guys i don't like lysander

It is literally rotting my brain having to read so much normalfag drivel. Why oh why didn't I make sure the whole series was released when I saw someone shilling it here?

>>24662541
Sounds like every subreddit 2bh and honestly no point checking there. There’s enough red rising fags in here that any update will be posted here and talked about.

>>24662541
reddit's board and moderation structure prevents it from having as much of a unified culture as 4chan
there's probably a subreddit somewhere dedicated to shitting on YAslop and especially cringy YA fans but its users are completely segregated from the ones you are watching, and thus unable to inflict even a modicum of self awareness upon them
instead of being a negative reinforcement circlejerk of irony and elitism like 4chins, most of reddit is just a good old fashioned regular circlejerk

>>24662541
All right, I've never read this series and never will, but what has this Lysander guy done that everyone hates him?

>>24662554
He’s just a well written piece of shit and brutally murdered the best boy in the series, lied about it, desecrated his corpse and acted like a victim to boost his own reputation and ambitions. Not to mention best boy was basically his father figure/big brother that raised and looked after him

>>24662554
he killed a guy, that's literally it. everybody drones on and on about how he's a fascist, blah blah blah, but he's just a decently written antagonist who is opposed to the protagonist and was given an opportunity to kill a beloved character who opposes him and he took it.

What are some good places to talk about sffg online? I've looked at a few Discords but most of it seems romantasy, fanfic, YA, or incredibly silly high fantasy cliché nonsense. I am interested in historical stuff, grimdark, very low fantasy kind of stuff.

>>24661457
>When is he gonna move the higher power conflict along more?
Lmao, what higher power conflict? Khalul and the Gurkish were le racist orientalist cartoons, so Abercrombie wrote them out. Enjoy reading about strong women in the new, ethnically diverse, feminist Union.

>>24662644
Yeah, unfortunately, whatever happens from now on, expect every character to spend a few paragraphs each chapter reflecting on how much smarter and kinder women are than subhuman moids. The rest of it could be good but I doubt it.

About to start Tanith Lee's Flat Earth series. What am I in for, aside from smut?

>>24662557
>>24662559
I see, thanks.

>>24662709
A good and varied selection of stories. You always know if you're reading something by Tanith Lee, she had unique style.

Alright, alright. I'm going to read Jack Vance. You happy?
>Lyonesse
>Dying Earth
>Demon Princes
What else do I need?

>>24662644
>>24662664
why would you read western fiction? do you hate yourself?

>>24662644
> the new, ethnically diverse, feminist Union.
Run by (((bankers))) by the way

>>24662749
what if i don't want to read western fiction anymore? what alternative titles are you proposing? i sure hope it's not a bunch of webnovels with 3000 chapters, all translated with google translate

>>24662749
I have fond memories of the First Law trilogy and the three standalone novels. Abercrombie used to be fun to read.

>>24662803
nta
There's a lot of non-western books professionally translated into English. I didn't even mean light novels or web fiction or similar to that.

>>24662803
>read megapopular trash
>UGH I'm tired of western fiction!!!
lol this entire conversation just stop reading books period you mouthbreathing normalfag

>>24660927
I will literally never read Red Rising

>>24661418
I haven't and don't plan to

>>24662730
Great start, don't forget the Planet of Adventure books.

The low quality spam, arguments, ritual posts, and otherwise undesirable posts are both killing the thread and keeping it going. It may be a rotting zombie falling to pieces, but at least it's animate.

>>24661418
yes i read the movie

>>24661418
Read all six, didn't care for most of them. I was especially weirded out (and this could just be me) how Leto II glazed Bach

>>24662541
The normalfag is you, anon
You are in the trenches with those redditors reading a YA series lol

>>24662644
Fuk, I was about to start the last trilogy

>>24662644
The Gurkish were based, glad I stopped reading after the original trilogy

>>24661488
>Hitler get
>Iron Gold is underrated
It's like pottery

>>24662864
>>24662841
so i was right? no recommendations at all, just posturing?

>>24663324
Japanese
Battle Royale
Harmony
All You Need is Kill

Chinese
Three-Body Problem
New Voices in Chinese Science Fiction
Sinopticon: A Celebration of Chinese Science Fiction

Russian
Roadside Picnic
Metro 2033

African
Son of the Storm
Steel Frame

An overview of translated SFF
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1RyMOXmi1Zd4yvuTVHQcw5gka8YLZ1In42GJn6Rhh12E/htmlview

>>24663361
>Chinese
>Three-Body Problem
>New Voices in Chinese Science Fiction
>Sinopticon: A Celebration of Chinese Science Fiction
all shit btw

>>24662540
Assimilating hivemind.

>>24662819
Abercrombie was always shit. Dudebro author liked by idiots and people who have no attention span for decent works of fantasy.

>>24663361
>Three-Body Problem
>roadside picnic
>metro 2033
read these, definitely good stuff
>Battle Royale
this posting chain started as a way to shit on red rising, a book with this exact premise
>All You Need is Kill
this is a light novel, no? you said you didn't mean light novels

>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1RyMOXmi1Zd4yvuTVHQcw5gka8YLZ1In42GJn6Rhh12E/htmlview
are these all short stories or are there any books among them

>>24661646
Is it pozzed like the rest of his shit?

>>24662819
> Abercrombie used to be fun to read.
Nah, you just grew up anon.

>>24663598
I'm not sure what colour that guy was.

>>24663433
>are these all short stories
Did you not read the tabs that says "novels" among other things?

>exact premise
Red Rising: Elites kill each other for survival of the fittest to prove their worth
Battle Royale: A totalitarian government rounds up teenagers who have rebellious tendencies and forces them all to kill each other.
Hunger Games: A totalitarian government selects teenagers at random to be killed by the elites and for the latter to prove themselves.
Lord of the Flies: A group of children are stranded on an island and turn on each other as their tribalism grows.
The Most Dangerous Game: A man rounds up people to hunt down and kill.
Dungeon Crawler Carl: Aliens force everyone on Earth to kill each other and monsters.

Sure, if you want to be reductive, these are all the same, among many others.The same can be said of many others books that can reduced to be the same.

>>24663598
Reads like it was written as nigger and then changed to black after

>>24663723
>Battle Royale: A totalitarian government rounds up teenagers who have rebellious tendencies and forces them all to kill each other.
It's just a random class, dude

>>24663748
The manga was a rewrite. The movie leaves a lot out. The novel explains in detail.

>>24663748
>>24663791
To follow up
>taking government propaganda at face value
Need I list examples? Surely there are some you don't believe.

>>24661878
I find it very hard to imagine that you have read all the older stuff in existence

>>24663481
bro it's a collective it depends on the author

Any good stories with this vibe?

Can someone please recommend me a superhero (or people in contemporary setting or near enough with super powers) that isn't complete reddit garbage?

>>24664194
Azarinth Healer

>>24664210
Worm

>>24664268
I asked for not reddit, sorry if that wasn't clear when I mentioned that.

>>24664276
1) What's your definition of 'reddit'?
2) If you haven't read the story how do you know it's 'reddit'?

>>24664285
I read a good deal of Worm and it was clear the author was the nihilistic reddit type. Social justice and fucked up mentally characters with no moral compass whatsoever. Just lame misery porn.

>>24664293
> fucked up mentally characters
I'll give you that one.
> with no moral compass whatsoever
They had moral compasses, they just happened to be frequently broken.
> Social justice
Completely wrong. Even the 'good guys' do some questionable shit.

I still don't understand how anyone would call that reddit. Plenty of people on 4ch and these generals like Worm.

>Reddit is what Reddit would define as "4chan"
perplexing.

>>24664330
ikr. I was 9 times out 10 when people say something is reddit they simple mean: shit I don't like.

For a general that supposedly reads books you people sure have limited vocabulary.

>>24664346
>you people
>one newfag using reddit as a descriptor

>>24664346
Don't have to stick around

>>24664356
Unfortunately reddit isn't the only one. I've also seen woke and pozzed so many times here I've come to loathe the words.

>>24664365
Maybe you're a pozzed woke redditor?

>>24664139
Adrian Tchaikovsky is a collective?

>>24664398
they/them pronouns?

>>24664402
I don't think so

>>24662559
he killed a guy, betrayed everyone who has ever helped him when it was convenient, wants to put the solar system back into slavery, and is delusional about wanting to be the king of it all by saying that all he's doing is for the greater good

>>24664346
we're not writing novels here, anon

>plot only works because a woman is a whore or retarded
Getting really tired of this trope

>>24664513
>plot only works because a woman is a woman
huh?

>>24664513
>female character is actually based

>>24662367
The collections most people recommend are
Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories
The Best of Gene Wolfe and
Endangered Species

I only own Dead Man and Other Horror Stories and Wolfe at the Door. I haven't even gotten to Wolfe at the Door yet. Of all the short stories I read, and I assume we are not including novellas like FHOC, my favorite is definitely Many Mansions. That exists in Castle of Days and Dead Man and Other Horror Stories. It feels like a campfire scary story to me, and I picked up strong FHOC vibes from it. I could see the vernacular causing people to not like it though.

The Hero as Werewolf is another good one. Kinda strange, and it feels like we leave the story in media res, but I still think about it regardless. This is collected in Island of Doctor Death and Dead Man and Other Horror Stories.

I think Redbeard is kinda moving, but IDK if many others would feel that way about it. See Best of Gene Wolfe or Dead Man and Other Horror Stories.

While I liked it, one I wouldn't include as one my favorites but could see others rating it very highly is The Other Dead Man. It is a bit more action oriented with some mystery vibes and has an ending twist. See Endangered Species or Dead Man and Other Horror Stories.

Detective of Dreams is another popular one, and I was very proud of myself for guessing the solution very early. I don't love it as much as other people do though, although I still like it. See Best of Gene Wolfe, Endangered Species, or Dead Man and Other Horror Stories.

>>24659511
it's comically bad
but would recommend the red knight and the traitor son series as they are pretty good

>>24661416
knew it was going to exceptionally bad when it got to the part where the guy attained enlightenment by being buried in the ground with his head out of the ground
should have dropped it much earlier when they had their lidl paratrooper guy running around
what a shit show

my male fantasy involves raping a girl until she agrees to be my wife.

>>24663598
Blacks are so dramatic. Damn shame they survived the deluge.

>>24664530
name one book

>>24664973
Rose of Versailles

>>24664973
Between Two Fires. [Spoiler] She's a vessel of the Lord[/spoiler]

>>24665123
wow

>>24664973
victra in red rising

>>24664471
i'm officially skipping any chapters where these retards are the focus. i just can't do it. this series is too long. i'll check the summaries on the wiki

>>24661952
>>24661646
Just finish this and it was great. Man Penthos went out like a champ MVP.

Have I not wrought well?

>>24661418
Started today, I actually am slow reading this time

I just read the wikipedia summaries of the Red Rising Trilogy.

Don't you have to be kinda embarrassed to be reading this stuff as an adult? It sounded like pure schlock.

0 days without Red Rising Derangement Syndrome (RRDS)

I just had ChatGPT summarize the entirety of Book of the New Sun.

Don't you have to be kind of embarrassed to be reading this stuff as an adult? It sounds like a self-indulgent grind.

LOL, the immediate rage was predictable.

>>24665392
>>24665421
>>24665452
>>24665455
All me btw laso I'm trans if that matters but can we take a moment to talk about Walter Moers?

>>24664536
Thanks anon. Could you please recommend generally more short stories you liked? Here is part of a shortlist Im compiling:
>Greg Egan - Learning To Be Me (1990)
>Ted Chiang - Understand (1991)
>David Marusek - The Wedding Album (1999)
>Bruce Sterling - Swarm (1982)
>Paul Melko - Ten Sigmas (2004)
>China Miéville - Familiar (2002)
>J.G. Ballard - The Terminal Beach (1964)
>Lisa Rubenson - We're So Very Sorry for Your Recent Tragic Loss (2013)
>Robert Silverberg - Sailing to Byzantium (1985)
>H. Beam Piper - A Slave is a Slave (1962)
>Ray Bradbury - The City (1950)
>Theodore Sturgeon - The Education of Drusilla Strange (1954)
>Robert Sheckley - Ghost V (1954)
>Cordwainer Smith - The Game of Rat and Dragon (1955)
>Greg Bear - Blood Music (1983)
>Bob Shaw - Light of Other Days (1966)
>Ursula K. Le Guin - The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas (1973)
>A. Bertram Chandler - The Cage (1957)
>Poul Anderson - Sam Hall (1953)
>Gene Wolfe - The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories (1970)

Tolkien the Tragedian

The Silmarillion is a very fun read, excepting the bit about Turin Turambar. Tolkien really took a dark turn with his story, and it’s unlike anything else Tolkien ever wrote. Turin suffers, and everyone who knows him suffers as well for having known him. In the end he kills himself with his own sword after finding out that he unjustly murdered a cripple and also banged his sister. I’m always glad when I finish with Turin’s story.

>>24664530
>>24664973
Shadow of the Gods

>>24665550
Turin's story is constant suffering and misery indeed, but it's not like the rest of The Silmarillion is that much "fun". It just takes a break from time to time.

>>24665593
boring book

>>24665550
I'm going to use AI to make him nude in that picture

>>24665550
in another universe there's a japanese isekai/regressor story about him

>>24664750
same, books for this feel?

>>24665550
it's kind of hard to imagine he wrote the hobbit first and then went back to write all of that
also wonder what he would have made of all these comically evil people naming their corporations after names from his mythology

>>24664973
ka-poel, powder mage

>>24665951
>it's kind of hard to imagine he wrote the hobbit first and then went back to write all of that
He didn't, really. He'd been working on The Silmarillion for decades by the time he wrote The Hobbit

>>24661878
there are no good decent modern writers, an exception can be made for schyuler hernstorm for pulpy works

honestly, just read older texts, i have been working my way through the gollancz sff masterwork series, cannot go wrong there

i did read picrel that was recommended to me by copilot which is written as a sort of prequel to vance's dying earth

>>24665499
nta
That's an interesting list, I've read a lot of them, but there's one thing at a glance I find peculiar. Lisa Rubenson has a story called "Sorry For Your Loss" from 2013. The one with the title you've listed is by Nick Wolven from 2015. What's up with that?

>>24662730
save his best for the last, i would recommend the following:

the planet of adventure (4 books) - written very much like a dying earth in space

ports of call and lurulu (his last books and 2parter)

the showboats on river vissel

and finally trullion, the most comfy of his works

there are more you can read like the araminta series, emphyrio, the night lamp, but the above along with dying earth are to me the definition of vance-core

is there like a multipov story that intertwines across individual books?

>>24666079
What do you mean by that? Most multipov books have their characters meet at some point.

>>24666079
A Song of Ice and Fire
Memory, Sorrow & Thorn
Wheel of Time
The First Law


These are off the top of my head

>>24666079
Along with the anons suggestion above there’s also Malazan, Red Rising, the Expanse

I finished The Chronicles of Amber, the Corwin half. Great stuff, I felt it was one of those stories that feel so complete that I don't feel the need to read the sequel at all. I know there are a lot of unexplained aspects left, but it also feels oddly finished together with Corwin's quest. I prefer the things we don't know as distant vistas that add to the charm of the world rather something we have to see (explained). Although the things we do see are wonderful, I really really enjoyed the descriptions of Tir-na Nog'th, Rebma, the various Shadows and other wild places Corwin sees. Same with the concepts like the Pattern, the Trumps, the Shadows. I think I might have genuinely gotten carried away by the writing because I didn't really stop to wonder how things worked unless there was something I found particularly jarring. To me that's part of what creating a sense of wonder means too.
It's not my first Zelazny book, but I think this "sense of wonder" works better for fantasy, you know? Even when a lot of the characters are dicks (kudos to Z for still making them likeable and develop them in such a short number of pages). This is why even though I think Corwin's journey plus the Unicorn scene in The Courts of Chaos and the general wrapping up of stuff for the whole family is great, Sign of the Unicorn remains my favourite.Tir-na Nog'th, the Unicorn and its realm, the first full meeting between all the siblings and the ensuing cooperation, plotting and backstabbing were everything I enjoyed about the series in one neat book. One thing I would leave out would be all those recaps that pop up in every book. I assume they were supposed to refresh the readers' minds, but they didn't really make sense considering the context of the narration and took up too many pages. A small complaint though. Zelazny's stylish writing and love for mythology made up for that.

>>24666060
I disagree. There's plenty of good shit out there, from all time periods, problem is we will never discover it cause of how selection and transmitting of ideas tends to work.

>>24666064
I have a document into which I haphazardly paste authors and titles and dont bother with formatting so I ran it through AI to be presentable for this thread - AI apparently made a mistake in that one. Here are some more in case you are interested:
>Orson Scott Card - Ender's Game (1977)
>William Gibson - Burning Chrome (1982)
>George R. R. Martin - Sandkings (1979)
>Harlan Ellison - I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream (1967)
>Alfred Bester - Fondly Fahrenheit (1954)
>Jerome Bixby - It's a Good Life (1953)
>Andy Weir - The Egg (2009)
>Robert Silverberg - Passengers (1968)
>Ray Bradbury - There Will Come Soft Rains (1950)
>Shirley Jackson - The Lottery (1948)
>Bruce Sterling - Spook (1983)
>Paul Melko - The Walls of the Universe (2006)
>China Miéville - Dowager of Bees (2015)
>J.G. Ballard - The Drowned Giant (1964)
>Gene Wolfe - Tracking Song (1975)
>Arthur C. Clarke - The Sentinel (1951)
>Isaac Asimov - Liar! (1941)
>Vladimir Nabokov - Signs and Symbols (1948)
>Philip K. Dick - Second Variety (1953)

I honestly expect I'll discard lots of them once I start reading them, I think many of them just dont hold so well with time.

>>24666082
I guess each book is about an individual character/s participating in a series of events that interconnect with each other in the same timeline

>>24665499
>>24666227
>no Traveler's Rest by Masson
>only one Dick
ew

Okay I know this may be a tall order but is there a litrpg or cultivation story which is not a slop and actually good?

>>24666218
This echoes my own feeling about the Corwin saga. It was genuinely gripping from page one. Zelazny's writing may not be as technically impressive throughout as say, in Lord of Light, but his dimension-shifting descriptions were a treat. Corwin's hell-ride from Amber to the Courts of Chaos with oblivion following behind was one of my favorite sequences in genre fiction. These books made me love reading again.

>>24666305
>litrpg
Dungeon Crawler Carl is actually good despite the fact that it comes off as a shitpost.
>cultivation
No

>>24666305
I like Heaven's Laws for cultivation. It at least fleshes out the characters and does a lot of things different than typical Chinese webnovels. Infinite Realm has cultivation elements but a lot of filler and taking too much time to get to certain places. It has my favorite example of someone being trapped within an illusion-like prison and breaking out but that character spends the first four books being boring as shit until he becomes the most interesting character.
>>24666395
SECRET ASIAN MAN

Anyone read Sterling's 20 Evocations? Anything else like it out there? Doesn't have to be sci-fi, doesn't have to be the same structure. I just liked how it told a lot despite being succinct.
>pic unrelated

>>24660378
Im still annoyed they killed him off at the end of book 2. Would've made a good suporting main character.

The relationship between him and Raven was one of the best things i've read in a book though.

>>24661646

that was me Anon, I'm glad you like it, I enjoyed it a lot

Gentleman Bastards is what disney would make of a fantasy book, change my mind

honestly I fucking want to read a book that is hyped for once that properly le good guy gets utterly fucked

>>24666577
I don't think Disney would have as much cursing and people drowning in barrels full of horse urine honestly

>>24666596
oh but they would sweeten it with like saying "damn" and drowning in crystal clear waters or something like that

seriously man, if you read fantasy don't you think this saga is totally lame?

>>24666608
Stop talking to me you weirdo

>>24659642
Your father sounds based, tell us more about him.

>>24666305
>cultivation
a lot of people here read cradle, personally thought it was complete muck though

>>24666577
I just rec'd this book to another anon in a previous thread but here it is again: The Highwayman Kennedy Thornwick. It shits all over Lynch and it's a standalone.

>>24666641
NTA, this sounds pretty cool but
>female author
You're not trying to get me to read some cuckshit miseryporn, are you?

>>24661438
There's a John Carter cartoon coming out?

>>24666672
>cuckshit
MC cucks, he doesn't get cucked
>miseryporn
There's some misery but there's also some really funny parts.
I wouldn't recommend a book by a woman if it wasn't good.

>>24659332 (OP)
>What’s a book/series that completely wrecked you emotionally by its end?
I just finished wheel of time and i kind of am

Going from the Robert Jordan to the Brandon Sanderson books was like the Soul/Soulless meme, though i only felt this in hindsight.
There isn't even any specific element to the books i'd call exceptional. Maybe when i get over the books i'll figure it out.

I'm sure everyone here either read it ages ago or thinks it's pleb shit

>>24666227
Oh, you haven't read any of these? Huh. I have a spreadsheet of the 1000s I've read and I've posted some I've enjoyed from time to time here. Maybe you got a few from that and that's why I've read more than I would expect from an arbitrary list.

>>24666713
Yes it was recently announced. No info except that the showrunner is Michael Kogge, who has written a Princess of Mars audio series in the past but mostly writes Star Wars novels

>>24666752
Only contrarian faggots. WoT was genuine epic fantasy. Sanderson was, and still is, not as good a write as Jordan but give him some credit. Even if his was following Jordan's outline, he managed to pull together all the lose story threads and give us the cathartic ending we all needed.

>>24666736
Well alright then

Anyone ever read silverglass? Is it any good?

>>24666641
I saw that recommendation and wishlisted or whatever is it called in goodreads... seems pretty interesting

>friends recommends the name of the wind
>looks like a novel about a wizard telling his life story, neat
>starts off strong with the boy's family getting killed, revenge story time
>but it turns out just to be about his life at university
i got got

>>24666804
>No tomboy will ever lure you into a trap to force impregnation

>>24666774
I don't think there was anyone better to finish the series. But i strangely miss how stubborn and disagreeable everyone was in Jordan's books. And how horny the guy was.

>>24666816
There's a chart floating around that shows how many times a woman's tits are described each book and it increases with each one until Sanderson's novels where it plummets to almost nothing. I wish I saved it.

>>24666804
I refuse to red this until the author confirms the third one is finished. Which according to his fans might be never. Same reason I'm not reading any more of Clash of Kings until GRRM announces a date for WoW

>>24661416
What i disliked the most was that Adare's entire thing is being a woman having woman moments and fucking shit up because she doesn't have a semblance of control

What are some books where the heroes defeat the villains by outsmarting them?

crying because of fictional character in a book basically makes you a woman
go check your testosterone levels if you have

>>24666933
his publisher basically called the author a lazy slop that doesn't work on it at all so don't hold your breath
maybe when his shekels run out

>>24667135
You sound constipated.

>>24667135
>not being an empath

>>24665985
she cute

>>24666305
Reverend Insanity

>>24666227
>George R. R. Martin - Sandkings (1979)
That's a good story, but (1) don't expect solid prose from it and (2) I wish they spent more time on interesting shit the ants would do in the tank rather than the owner fucking it up.

>>24667135
they hate you because the truth

>>24667135
I've not cried for anything since i was 10

>>24667554
How old are you now?

>>24667602
19

>>24667610
Makes sense

Books like this? I dropped the series at the 4th book, but enjoyed the first 3.

>>24667140
>spoiler
Would anyone be interested in a half-assed cash grab just to wrap up loose ends? I know people would buy it, but would anyone really think it's worth it to have a shitty ending over no ending at all?

>>24667257
Any better short story exploring that idea?

>>24660370
That's a man. Women don't read Bakker.

>>24667738
Not that I know of. If you find any, tell me though.

>>24660642
all the respect in the world to pierce if he actually has the balls to kill of pax or virginia.

I don't want either of those to happen, but I would respect it

>>24661013
no fun police

>rand fucking birgitte through elayne's warder bond
>can't fucking walk through the halls straight and has an orgasm mid-sentence
kek