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meereenese throne edition

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old: >>24667075

George RR Martin, his age continues to increase, but what about his girth? Gaining? Losing? Haven’t kept track.

>>24681474
he's lost weight recently, though when you're that old it's not always a good sign

Does George ever remember that he has a pair of functioning balls and that gallantry should be admired rather than condemned?
>>24681482
To be fair, at his weight, having that much weight is as bad a sign as losing so much.
May Allah protect him, for I fear he was not praying as much as he should have been.

>Another interesting thing from the con, at one point in a panel GRRM was commenting that he didn’t like how in a lot of fantasy stories various races are all defined by a single personality (i.e. all orcs are evil, all elves are wise, etc), whereas it would be more realistic for various individuals within a race to have different personalities, viewpoints, etc. Some quick-witted audience member asked him how that idea applied to the Others in his own books, to which he replied, “I’m not gonna answer that.” Food for thought.

So there are ice demons not hell-bent on the destruction of all things warm?

>>24681616
George is a hypocritical hack who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about or what he’s doing

>>24681616
The Others are ice elves who hate humans because they view humans as stupid and evil

>>24681616
The night queen was a good other who just loved human cock and the tales of her and the night king being evil is propaganda

>>24681616
Ice will be the lesser evil compared to Fire. The Others might be a necessary force needed to defeat Euron. Also Jon seems to be the new Night King so maybe he's forced to marry the Other Queen at the end of the series in exchange for them sparing humanity
Fire-associated factions:
>Euron
>Daenerys
>Quaithe
>Melisandre
>Moqorro/Victarion
>Lady Stoneheart
Ice-associated factions:
>Others
>House Stark
>House Reed
>Bloodraven/House Blackwood
>Jon Snow
>Braavosi Conspiracy (Faceless Men, Iron Bank, Petyr Baelish)

what's the real reason grrm is delaying so much?

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

GRRM. It rhymes with worm.

Breaking news! After much thought, GRRM has agreed to allow Brandon Sanderson to complete his series! Sanderson has released an excerpt for his newly written chapter of The Winds of Winter! Spoilered below for those who want to experience it when the book is out.


>The Winds of Winter by Brandon Sanderson.

>Samwell I

>Samwell Tarly had heard tell of the clitoris. They were in the books that made him tremble and squeak as a boy, and he had once asked his father Randyll Tarly maladroitly about it.

>"Sam, my boy," said Randyll. "You are asking me questions that man was not meant to contemplate."

>"Oh," said Sam, "That makes me feel very confused."

>"Yes," said Randyll in a voice that suggested he was deep in thought. "There is much about women that are akin to hidden spells in the deep lore you must seek advanced magic of in Dragonstone to understand!"

>"Advanced magic of Dragonstone?" exclaimed Sam excitedly. "That's much more interesting than this clitoris! Can I know more? I feel very interested!"

>But father had sent him to the Wall shortly after. Now Gilly the Wildling stood without her clothes on before him. This made Sam feel uncomfortable and so he told her so.

>"This makes me feel very uncomfortable."

>"Do you not wish to be sexually interested in my naked body?" said Gilly.

>Sam blushed bashfully.

>"I'm sure you have a very.... fine clitoris, Gilly. That makes me feel... heated."

>"They say Jon Snow is the Grand Maester of the Lord's Kiss... would you... maybe... like to...?"

>"This makes me feel scared!" cried Sam. "Do you know the deep magic of Dragonstone, Gilly?"

>Gilly put her clothes back on instantly.

>"This is much more interesting than my clitoris! What are the rules of this magic?"

Is R'hllor a legitimate deity or just a glass candle user trolling the likes of Melisandre?

>>24681616
Enter the grrm carnival of ideas were every possible story idea and element is crammed into a hypothetical book that’ll never release

>>24681826
>"They say Jon Snow is the Grand Maester of the Lord's Kiss
Kek

>>24681776
He hinged his endgame plan on bringing Jon back but then he realised brain transfer to a dog is a retarded excuse for this Gandalf the White shit

>George finishes a Storm of Swords
>Instead of writing Feast he writes "A Wolf Among Lions"
>This book is purely Jaime, Tyrion, and Cercei (Kevan epilogue)
>Adds maybe a few more chapters to what they would already have from Feast and Dance
>This serves to tie loose ends
>Feast takes place after five year time skip
Thoughts?

>>24681903
Oh and Jon, thus the "Wolf" part.

I actually like Feast but Dance was so boring I couldn't finish it.

>>24681455 (OP)
> your grace, if I could ask...
> WHAT?
> if I could just...
> I CAN"T HEAR YOU WAY UP HERE!

>>24681620
>>24681843

These guys get it.

>>24681826
At least Sanderson finishes his books.

Did GRRM really plan to make Bran as much of a creepy autist in the books as he was in the show?

>>24682319
Probably not, they had no idea what to do with him. Just like GRRM.

GRRM at Bubonicon: Winds is 70% done.

Lol he said he was 75% done back in 2022

Fuck this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpqekiY03IQ

>>24682430
Yeah, fuck carmine and fuck preston

the 75% done figure was already debunked a while ago

https://youtu.be/Yg_a-5Zy58g?si=7MVxg-uTPZfUX3Gb&t=1325

>>24682430
Never seen an author hate his most successful series like GRRM does

>>24681616
George wanted a quick dunk but even the orcs in LOTR had personality traits while being evil. The White Walkers want to kill us...why???

>>24681776
He didn't plan the series fully, and now nothing makes sense.

>>24682559
dream of spring will explain it all :^)

>>24682559
>I'm not gonna answer that (He doesn't know)

GRRM here.

Can you please stop shitting on me?

Thanks.

>>24682319
He's eight and already breaking all the warg taboos without knowing.

>>24682619
No

>>24682619

Can you please finish the books?

>>24682619
I only recognize the title GURM of House Worm, the First of His Name, King of the Cocks and the Cunts and the Capon, Lord of the Brown Water, and Protector of the Fat Pink Mast!"

>>24682319
>>24682738
Odds on him fucking Meera in Hodor’s body?

>>24683181
Winds is taking so long because Gurm has been trying to write a version of this scene that his publisher will accept

>>24683181
>Jojen is missing
>Meera panics and withdraws from Bran, scared and worried
>Bran doesn't know what to do to make her feel better
>"I know! Hodor can hug her like my parents hugged me!" he thinks
>Starts feeling something in his pants
>Fucks her
>Bloodraven throws him a party, as he's now a man

Imagine If Azor Ahai is actually half targ and half summer islander. Part BBC and part BWC. A song of ice and fire.

>>24683374
He's actually a chinaman from Yi Ti

>>24683330
Bloodraven and Bran watching all the rapes in history with a bucket of popcapons

>>24683380
*descended from Yi Ti chinamen

>>24683408
>you were so beautiful in your white wedding dress

>>24683516

Ser Pounce is Euron is disguise.

Judge my Kingsguard:
Lyn Corbray
Mandon Moore
Gerold "Darkstar" Dayne
Jaime Lannister
Meryn Trant
Robert Strong
Loras Tyrell

I went for a mix of skill, violence and edginess

>>24683668
Pretty fucking good. Although I would add in Selmy. He shits on everyone else there.

>>24682559
>I’m not gonna answer that (He doesn’t want to spoil the mystery)

>>24682430
The worst part is he's probably not lying, like at all, and no the--
that's the second worst part actually, the FIRST worst part that's actually the worst is that it's not at all because of new pages i.e George going "Shit this is going to have to be an additional 1000 pages" it's because EDITING is a huge part of the process.
It would not surprise me if he cut down 15%, and rewrote 10%, because he edits things himself.
This is if we take him at face value of course, if he is not lying because it was already finished, then he actually has the backing for it to make sense in the worst way possible.

>>24681455 (OP)
never watched the tv series
about 50 chapters in the first book
and I can almost swear, half of the characters are like pic related

will this fatty ever finish Dunken & Egg? it was far more enjoyable

>>24682430
It is so over...

Theory: Bittersteel was actually unironically telling the truth about everything and Daeron II truly was the illegitimate son of Aemon the Dragonknight.
>Aegon IV, Aemon and Naerys directly mirror Robert Baratheon, Jaime and Cersei.
>Aemon and Naerys is literally an in-universe chivalric love story like Jonquil and Florian the Fool
>Aemon Targaryen, the maester, himself Daeron II’s grandson, even casually entertains the rumours saying Aemon was either his uncle or his father depending on which way you’re inclined - and he says this unironically with zero sarcasm or judgement.
>Aegon IV’s nickname is the unworthy, GRRM has a habit of having unworthy lines like that of Maegor or Aegon II dying out. Aegon IV was unworthy of the line of the kings, is the subtext.
The Blackfyre vs Targaryen struggle is the struggle between the legally legitimate line and the predestined saviour line of the PTWP prophecy. Which is why Bloodraven had to kill all the Blackfyres by any means necessary, he knew the truth.

What if winds comes out and it just sucks?

>>24684193
It probably will suck at this point.

>>24684183
Funny how Jon "nor was he Aemon Targaryen" Snow is such a mirror of Jaime, and Naerys's character description is "Dany but she got religion". Who's Aegon IV of the kids' generation? Not Faegon VI, I'm sure, he isn't gluttonmaxxed

>>24683826
(the mystery is that he doesn't know)

>>24684417
Faegon’s fat bastard harem corruption arc is waiting for him to take the throne. The Illyrio genes and the Aegon IV genes are going to kick in at the same time.

>>24684417
Aegon, Aemon, Naerys
Bran, Jon, Sansa
this is known

>>24684499
Yyrkoon, Elric, Cymoril
it all makes sense

>>24684506
But Jon’s the traditionalist, masculine warrior that’s absolutely chomping at the bit to rule somewhere like Yyrkoon while Bran’s the magically empowered, physically impaired nerd that’s too enlightened to give a fuck about ruling like Elric - and yet is tragically fated to rule anyway.

>>24684566
That is true, but Yyrkoon is also a sorcerer and the parentages line up better (Bran and Sansa are siblings, Jon is their cousin)
Not to mention the whole "White Wolf" deal

Perhaps the personality mismatch you laid out will be corrected as post-resurrection Jon and post-weirwood networked Bran, making Jon a physically impaired ice zombie resurrected with fire magic, while Bran takes over the bodies of others and manipulates history to become what he never could have been, such as being a strong warrior while taking over Hodor's body

The subversion of expectation will be that in this iteration of Elric's story, Yyrkoon (Bran) will actually gain the Ruby (Iron) throne as Elric (Jon) goes into exile or dies

>>24684499
>>24684506
>Sansa
>Cymoril

Jonsabros.....not like this....

which character will become wights in next books?

>>24681915
It has the most fascinating chapters ever like Varamyr's prologue, Bran at CoTF cave and weirwood visions, Roose and Theon and Ramsay, Victarion emerging with the burning hand, some of the most iconic moments like "the North remembers", Cersei walk of shame, Dany at Daznak pit, Jon Snow assassination etc. Aaand then there's the remaining 70% of the book which are so full of pointless lore dumps and wheel-spinning that i'm not even sure why the editors didn't tell Martin that he lost his mind.

>>24684480
Based. Faithcels can cry about it.

What are George's kinks and political power-fantasties?

>>24684992
His kinks are lactating breasts, cuckoldry, gangbang, rape, big brown nipples, incest, hebephilia, necrophilia, beastiality, redheads, incest, cunnilingus, women dying in childbirth, juices/grease running down chins and moonboy for all I know. His political power-fantasy is an 8 year old running a surveillance state.

>>24685000
>His political power-fantasy is an 8 year old running a surveillance state.
From Big Brother to Little Brother.

Can I get a good asoiaf audiobook PLEASE
I looked everywhere and all that I got was
>roy dotrice, who makes everyone talk like a pirate
>sharon grunwald, an old hag who can't read for shit
>random newbies with xbox mics on youtube (last seen ahorse/DavidReadsASoIaF included)

The only decent one was Gleb, and that fool only read book 1 until chapter 50 or so, 7 months ago.

famous books get TONS of narrations, but not this?

>>24684992
Step 1: He likes diarrhea a lot.
Step 2: He thinks that monarchy survived for centuries based on luck when if the peasants starve, the king starves soon after, and even post Renaissance societies were not immune to bad harvests. His power fantasy is some sort of enlightened dictator who rules for the people, but he never studied the French Revolution so he doesn't know how it ends for his Robespierre.
Step 3: I think he fucked this one up because he doesn't really have a magic system, it's just kind of whatever's cool at the time.

>>24685028
>Doesn't like Roy Dotrice
Filtered

>>24685028
DavidReadsASOIAF is based and fixed most of his audio problems by ASOS

>>24685028
The spinoffs get quality readings. Harry Lloyd did Dunk & Egg very well, Iain Glen did The Princess and the Queen and I think The Rogue Prince.

>>24684636
> Yyrkoon (Bran) will actually gain the Ruby (Iron) throne as Elric (Jon) goes into exile or dies
Isn’t that exactly what happened? Until yrkoon got cucked by his sister?

>>24685028
They need to hire fucking Andy Serkis, his LOTR readings are fucking GOATed

>>24685073
that puzzled me and annoyed me as much, non of them dared to read asoiaf
>>24685058
>is a filthy american AND make 0 effort
into the dumpster he goes

>>24685118
>music and sound effects in an audiobook
fuck that, Rob Inglis is the only option

>>24684819
Don't worry, Sansa isn't based and will never rule. Arya, on the other hand...

Satin’s fuzzy nuts

What is this foreshadowing?

>>24685800
a game of thrones, a clash of kings, and a storm of swords are so damn good. I've mentioned it before in these threads, but it's a crying shame what happened to the later books/the series in general. All of the awesome moments just pissed away in pathetic dribble.

>>24685800
That she'll be forced to do things she hates because life is fundamentally unfair.

>>24685865
Everything in the last two books flows from the first three.

Okay what the actual FUCK actually happened to Aerea in Valyria?

>>24685878
a feast for crows and particularly a dance with dragons are gurm at his worst. endless POVs, and largely pointless, meandering plot which is nothing like the first three books.

>>24685883
The stranger smited her

Her, her.
It rhymes with cur.

>>24681776
His "garden variety" writing that he shilled backfired and now we have 2 books of pure bloat where instead of the plot moving forward it meanders while a fuckton of new plotlines and characters get introduced

>>24685670
When i become king I'm going to ban all boywhores.

>>24686277
He could have made this work if he actually gave a shit about his ip and wasn't seduced by wealth and fame and hollywood.

>>24685175
None of those are in the Serkis readings

>>24685883
There are creatures that can implant or impregnate (not like youre thinking) eggs into organisms for mass reproduction. Like the Parasitic Wasp. Aerea probably got attacked, Balerion fought off whatever did it and wounded it, and when they burst from Aerea like an exploding watermelon they insta-died in the water, and they had tiny hands and faces.

>>24683668
>Lyn Corbray

is book Tyrion 4chan or reddit?

I have found a truly silly crossover

>>24681826
for WoT
really the character that brando sando fucked up the most was easily Mat
I don't really blame him, Mat is strongly enough the most military coded of any character in WoT
not in a fighting sense but in that his archetype is only really found in the military
the only person close to Mat I've found in something is Ray from Generation Kill, if that makes any sense

>>24687528
I never understood GRRM’s worldbuilding in Essos
Inland you have all this lush arable land with thousands of years of history and 400 years of freedom from dragonnigger oppression and there’s just… nothing there? It’s not even close to the Dothraki sea so it’s not like horseniggers are a particularly good excuse either - especially when there used to be vast inland polities in Sarnor and Essaria that they destroyed.
What happened to the rest of it?
They AGOT mod for CK2 tries to make sense of this and fill in the blanks and the result is a continent where the Dothraki are never a meaningful threat to anyone west of the Rhoyne, as the only ones that ever show up are stray landless micro stacks.

>>24687546
population densities have always been retarded in this setting
westeros too but even moreso in essos

>>24687505
He’s banned from Reddit tier, somewhere between both erring on the Reddit side.
4chan characters
>Craster
>The Greyjoys
>Darkstar
>Littlefinger
>That Hightower guy that hasn’t left his house in decades
>Jorah Mormont
>Walder Frey
>Ramsay Bolton

>>24687564
idk he DID rape that prostitute
actually that's pretty standard for reddit, redditors act like they are above everything but they still have a shitton of rapey as fuck porn subs

hi, i wasnt sure if i should posted this here or reddit, but i was the one who confronted martin in the last event at the Q&A ask him about Winds. Everyone booed me, im not proud of it but someone has to do it

>>24687611
you're a faggot you know that right

>>24687611
as the other anon said you are a fag and I hope you change your faggy ways but I do appreciete george heckling and he deserves it so you should feel some pride.

Any further updates on the "who's finishing this when you die" shitshow?

>>24687611
honestly based
fuck the GIDF

>>24687611
Absolutely based and I kneel, but also you will never be a (sorry I forgot which sex you are trying to ape).

>>24681455 (OP)
So why was the Kingsguard at the TOJ? Surely they should be protecting their king across the narrow sea

>>24687882
Aerys accidentally created a loophole by not knowing Lyanna was pregnant so he neglected to disinherit him the same way he disinherited Aegon and Rhaenys. Therefore Jon Snow was born king.
Or at least that’s probably what Arthur Dayne and Oswell Whent were thinking, likely being as drunk on the prophecy juice as Rhaegar was.

>>24687882
>So why was the Kingsguard at the TOJ?
Rhaegar personally sent them there. When he did so he justified it by the vital importance of le prophecy, but actually dude was just turbosimping Stark puss and in denial about that.

Rhaegar in general appears to be driven by just doing whatever he wants and taking whatever he wants (le dragon) while masterfully rationalizing it for himself with some intergenerational 6D chess bullshit.

>>24687889
The very strange thing is that Gerold Hightower was sent to retrieve Rhaegar and yet he himself was converted to the cause despite being an Aerys loyalist and hailing from a house that's closely tied with the faith which would heavily frown on the whole absconding with Lyanna thing.

>>24687611
Proud of you

>>24687906
>an Aerys loyalist
I have doubts regarding existence of any legitimate Aerys loyalists by that point.

>>24687918
>"When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were."

>"Far away," Ser Gerold said, "or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells."

What did he mean by this?

So Rhaegar thought he was birthing THE prophecy baby when he absconded with Lyanna right?

Cause if he just needed a third kid he could’ve easily chosen some minor noble, or even a fucking whore. What was his thought process?

>>24687937
14yo horsegirl pussy

>>24687929
For once, it is a dream. It is quite unlikely that the real exchange was as poetic as we see it. Secondly, being Rhaegar loyalist does not mean overthrowing Aerys. Rhaegar coup seems to be pure Aerys paranoia, in actuality Rhaegar and his dudes were doing his thing while patiently waiting for Aerys to die in his sleep and just politely recognizing his legitimate authority until then.

>>24687943
This doesn't sound like they were waiting for Aerys to die in his sleep.

>Rhaegar had put his hand on Jaime's shoulder. "When this battle's done I mean to call a council. Changes will be made. I meant to do it long ago, but . . . well, it does no good to speak of roads not taken. We shall talk when I return."

>>24687955
The council was going to be about legalising polygamy

>>24687611
Good job, if George didn't want to get harassed the last few years of his life to finish Winds he should have finished it years ago.
>>24687878
They're a ftm assuming it's really them.

>>24684183
>Daeron II truly was the illegitimate son of Aemon the Dragonknight
Fucking obviously.

>>24685000
I kneel to these trips.

So you think Maegor knew how to please his women? Or did he just plow until he shot blanks? Totally uncaring?

>>24685883
They were either firewyrms or some sort of fucked up biological horror from all the rampant blood magic Valyria practiced.

>>24687611
Fuck George Larp Larp Martin. He fully deserved that treatment.

>>24688079
Couldn’t even get an erection, micropenis energy.
Not like Aegon IV, clearly all his mistresses were willing and eager, massive fat pink mast, pussy farmer. Root of his problem with Naerys was probably that his cock was too big for her.

>Have 3 smoking hot sisters, any of which he could marry, maybe even all of them if he was feeling brave
>Locked em up
Gayest faggot in Planetos history?

>>24688216
>Locked em up
dangerously based

>>24688216
He's a faggot Jesus allegory who thankfully died.

The targaryens are stupid and boring.

>Daena the Defiant gives birth to Daemon Blackfyre
>Refuses to name the father
>Baelor the Blessed immediately fasts and prays for 40 days straight to repent for something, immediately dies on day 41
>12 years later Aegon IV is like yeah he’s mine probably when Daemon wins a tournament.
Was Baelor the Blessed Daemon’s real father?

Remember when this series was about Starks, Lannisters and Baratheons?

>>24688813
this series still is, the gurm has just stopped writing it and has been focusing on incest for several decades.

>>24688813
Yeah… the Greyjoy, Martell,
Brienne/riverlands, Cersi/Tyrell shit should have been a novella in the five year gap but that’s what happens when your editor leaves and you don’t replace them.

>>24688835
More like retroactively adding context to a shitty ending he can’t figure out how to get to satisfactorily

Which Targaryen king was the most occult inclined? Who would have the most success performing a magic ritual?

>>24687937
>He has a song," the man replied. "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany's, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. "There must be one more," he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. "The dragon has three heads."

Targs are the Fire, he needed a Stark for the Ice.

>>24688079
>So you think Maegor knew how to please his women?

Do you think Maegor cared?

>>24681616
There's gonna be le ebin reveal where it turns out Others are just climate refugees retreating from the melting polar ice cap

What do you guys think Gurm was setting up with Jon and Tyrion's friendship in AGOT? I'd like to hear your guys's theories cuz even though George is le gardener I still think he had vague ideas of where certain things were going and I think there's a reason Tyrion saw the wall himself and intersected with Jon's story himself.

>>24681616
I always saw the Others as the polar opposite of the dragons. Meaning they represent a different element of the world. But now that I think about it it doesn't really make much sense. The dragons, as far as we know, are not beings with language or culture but rather just beasts. So I dunno where I'm going with this.

>>24687534
>Mat is strongly enough the most military coded of any character in WoT
>not in a fighting sense but in that his archetype is only really found in the military
Interesting. Can you expand on this? I've never heard this take. One thing I did hear that made me really feel like I understood Mat was that he is essentially a character that says, does and thinks completely different things at the same time, which ironically makes him self-aware but also somewhat delusional. I never really felt a military angle from him

>>24687505
Honest to God, I'd err on the side of 4chan. He starts reddit and then gets dangerously more based as the story goes on. In fact, a lot of redditors hate him by ADWD which should tell you everything.

>>24682319
Jesus. Did he really say that on the show?

>>24689240
Probably as the 'He might be telling the truth!' character. Tyrion remembers a young, naive Jon and when he meets him again he now talking of Wights and dead things.

>>24689345
I always wondered what he means by neverborn. When searching about it, some people say that they would be inanimate objects given life or souls. When thinking of how warging works in ASOIAF, perhaps the neverborn are souls waiting to inhabit a vessel that are plucked out and put into corpses.

>>24688216
I kneel before the image of [B]ae_lor the [B]lessed every morning.

>>24681616
If we take into consideration Grrm's blatant inspiration from Memory, Sorrow & Thorn, the easy guess is that the Others are simply children of the forest that decided to live in the ice and put up a border between the two factions and they probably worked a magical treaty. For whatever reason, the Others are beginning to break that treaty by going south.

>>24681616
the show is canon and based off of martin's notes for the series. The others were created by the children of the forest to fight the first men. If you're expecting ice elves or something impactful, you're a fan of the wrong series.

>>24688888
Well something happened at Summerhall

>>24688888
Wasted

>>24689463
Do you not notice the blatant hypocrisy?

>>24689285
yeah lol

https://youtu.be/qs2pt1dtOXc?t=135

In Winds, will Leyton Hightower be revealed to be some sort of legitimate wizard?

-- "To be sure. Lord Leyton's locked atop his tower with the Mad Maid, consulting books of spells. Might be he'll raise an army from the deeps. Or not."

What did GRRM mean by this?

>>24689463
>the show is canon and based off of martin's notes for the series. The others were created by the children of the forest to fight the first men.

Indeed, the Others are magical bioweapons that became an out of control Frankenstein monster that would destroy the planet and this is obviously GRRM's idea as he's a Cold War hippy boomer and D&D are just too stupid to have thought of it themselves.

>>24690007
You know nothing

>>24689383
Actually the wildlings broke the treaty by going North.
North of the wall=Others turf
South of the wall=human turf
The purpose of the Nights Watch is to basically be border patrol
Notice how with the exception of the Thenns, who live in the extreme far north and are definitely the oldest human migrants beyond the wall, all the wildlings speak common which didn’t exist during the long night. Notice how their entire culture is explicitly contrary to feudalism and law. They are migrants from the south who decided they’d rather settle beyond the wall than have kings and laws and shit.
This is also why the Nights Watch think their job is to be wildling patrol and not to enforce whatever magic treaty was made with the Others. Because part of that treaty did actually include being border patrol to stop humans from migrating north, they just failed at this mission and got tunnel vision.

>>24687534
Brando Sando has no military record, while Jordan does, so that might have something to do with it.

>>24689383
>>24690047
>treaty
Sounds like headcanon DESU.

>>24690071
They built a wall and they made Brandon the Builder pay for it, then the long night stopped.
Clearly some kind of resolution was reached

>>24690117
Also headcanon. The story is that the walkers were defeated on the battlefield. No need for a pact when you militarily dominate your opponent.

>>24690071
I never said it was canon. I just made a theory based on Martin's clear inspiration from Tad Williams's Sithi/Norns to his Others. I'd bet a lot that's the direction gurm's taking with the Others

>>24690120
Military victories usually end in treaties

>>24690193
Conspicuous that he does not list Dany

>>24690193
Is there any reason he loves Arya besides being a pedo?

>>24690226
His wife’s favorite character

>>24689463
Honestly I guess this makes sense as to why GRRM would say "they're not truly evil." Because its an anti colonialism metaphor.

his manhood glistened, wetly

>>24690033
Why is Leaf there? The children don't live for thousands of years.

What's the verdict on Arianne Martell?

>>24690878
whore that will die

>>24690878
Unabashed bimbo, which counterintuitive makes her based. It’s hilarious how little she understands what’s going on, especially in her new “serious girl” persona of the Winds sample chapters.

>>24690878
I think she’s a cutie
>But she has sex with men
Obviously, she’s a sexy woman in her mid 20s

>>24690878
My gut says that she will die. But knowing Martin, he will let her live just to subvert le expectations

>>24690904
In the hot sweltering summer of 283 AC the Prince of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne Rhaegar of House Targaryen was viciously and relentlessly sodomized with a weirwood strapon by the She-Wolf Lady Lyanna of House Stark until he was rendered a quivering mess in front of the horrified gazes of Ser Gerold Hightower, Ser Arthur Dayne and Ser Oswell Whent.

>>24682319
>Did GRRM really plan to make Bran as much of a creepy autist in the books as he was in the show?
I don't think he knows what to do with Bran at all.

lol
lmao even

>>24691267
>GRRM was too pleb for Lost's ending
lmao

I was reading up on Leyton Hightower on awoiaf and I got this:
>Samwell: The Hightower must be doing something.
>Captain: To be sure. Lord Leyton's locked atop his tower with the Mad Maid, consulting books of spells. Might be he'll raise an army from the deeps. Or not.

So he and Euron have the same idea? I have a feeling Euron might win out since he intends to use blood magic. But we don't know if Leyton would do the same thing.

For People who think Ned and ashara are Jon's parents, what do you think lyanna made Ned promise?

>>24692505
Ned and Lyanna are Jon’s parents

>>24692505
I don't think anyone seriously believes in anything else than R+L=J anymore.

>>24691269
>tfw too inteligent not to eat shit

can't this fat prick at least spit out another dunk and egg book?

>Down below, the lordling called out suddenly, "Who goes there?" Will heard uncertainty in the challenge. He stopped climbing; he listened; he watched.

>The woods gave answer: the rustle of leaves, the icy rush of the stream, a distant hoot of a snow owl.

>The Others made no sound.

I wonder if this was them speaking the true tongue.

>>24687564
>The Greyjoys

so spot on, balon is the average dad of a 4channer.

Has the best character been cast?

>>24692893
I looked it up and google ai said it was Giancarlo esposito.

>>24687564
>Jorah Mormont

>>24692505
>For People who think Ned and ashara are Jon's parents, what do you think lyanna made Ned promise?

To smuggle babby Daenerys to safety, which Eddard did by swapping Daenerys for babby Jon, who is Ned and Ashara's kid and then Ashara "committed suicide" and became Septa Lamore, who then took Daenerys to Willem Darry while she went to raise babby fAegon.

>>24690759
And what of good myrish swamps?

According to Bran it's better to go hungry than to feast upon a friend.

>>24693180
>most valyrian looking baby is actually the child of a black haired dayne and a northerner
>septa lemore who isn't described as having violet eyes is somehow the woman whose most notable feature was her violet eyes

I'm convinced the people believing in these sorts of theories have never read the books.

>>24693549
>I'm convinced the people believing in these sorts of theories have never read the books.
People who believe any theory haven't read the books. There is literally nothing in the box, it's an empty mystery. GRRM wrote it without any plans for what it's answer could be. This became evident to me when it was "revealed" (more like very sloppily exposited) that Joffrey sent the assassin after Bran. One of the most retarded things the fat man has ever written. And I guarantee, all the other mysteries are the same: the hooded man, euron's armor, euron's horn, the white walkers, the alchemist, the golden company's "oath writ in blood". The fat man has no idea what any of this means, he just wrote them in because it sounds cool.

>>24693180
Septa Lemore is Lady Piper-Greyjoy, the supposedly deceased third wife of Quellon Greyjoy
>Saved Tyrion from drowning in the Ironborn fashion
>Does the Piper sigil IRL
>When Asha Greyjoy is in disguise as Esgerd, she introduces herself to Theon as a shy maid
>All the named Pipers match at least one Syllable with Lemore. Lewys, Marq, Clément, Melony.
>Lady-Piper Greyjoy is simply a brown haired, brown eyed, big tittied woman. No hair dye or Tyrion not noticing conspicuous purple eyes required.
>Lemore is quite clearly a nod to Lenore from the Raven by Poe.
>” the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore— Nameless here for evermore.” What is Lady Piper-Greyjoys name? We’re never told.
What’s the story purpose of this? Idk, but the literary evidence blows the Ashara Dayne, Wenda the White Fawn or Malora Hightower theories out of the water,

>>24693629
>"[stupid retard theory] is wrong! it's actually [stupid retard theory]!"
sigh...

>>24693701
>wahwahwah stop having fun
You okay?

I literally only just realized that Robin Hobb is a woman. What the fuck?

>>24693819
The cuckholding, queerbait, and male humiliation didn't tip you off?

>>24689783
>>24692193
It would be cool if Leyton were a legitimate mage like Marwyn. Euron to me comes across as more of a dabbler.

>>24693733
more okay than any theoryshitter

>>24692193
>>24693944
He's waking the ancient mech beneath Battle Isle and turning the Hightower into a death ray to burn Euron's fleet.

>>24693622
I’m pretty sure it was going to be one of the Lannister siblings, probably Jamie based on the original outline probably changed it when he decided to make him a more tragic character instead of a villain .

>>24693944
He should be. It'd be beyond stupid if he spent that long in his tower only to be a fake. As for Euron, I get that feeling too. I think he just hyperfixated on godhood. Layton seems to have a real passion for magic.
>>24694177
Don't forget the abomination Euron will awake that will fight said ancient mech.

what happened to the frequent blogposting?

>>24694490
dead franchise

>>24694490
Got shit on for the dire wolfs and his fee fees couldn’t handle it so he’s throwing a boomer tantrum, also he has dementia

>>24682619
Fan Theorists > your cockamamie Ponzi Scheming boomer bullshit. Let the publisher do the webcrawler research to give you an actual lay of the topological land your gardening-ass bumbled into.

>24687611
Martin's an avatar of Gerontocrat Vampirism and you literally slayed a holy cow, well done. Sanderson had to be silently smirking with the upstaging shit he was taking from him.

>>24693622
Thank God Winds and Dream will never be finished so we can come up with far better endings to our head canons than he would have.

>>24693622
>>24694200

Joffery sending the catspaw does come out of left field because we didn't know about the remark Robert made, but it's so stupid and impulsive that in retrospect it couldn't have been anyone else

Golden Company's Oath Writ in blood probably means FAegon is a secret Blackfyre. That's their whole thing, it's no secret that they were founded as a vector for launching Blackfyre rebellions from Essos

>>24685028
Last Seen Ahorse is good, but Dance isn't finished yet.

I bet George still hasn't figured out what the Dayne words are.

>>24695148
"The dawn is coming"

>>24695148
"Jon's a secret Targ"

>>24695148
“Lightbringer”

>>24695148
"Trans rights are human rights*

>>24695148
"We are the Dawn"

>>24695148
"Fat Pink Masts"

>>24693549
>most valyrian looking baby is actually the child of a black haired dayne and a northerner

Daenerys is the daughter of Rhaegar and Lyanna, Jon Snow is the son of Eddard and Ashara (now Septa Lamore).

> her violet eyes

Doesn't matter that Tyrion didn't mention it.

>>24695148
“Thanks for the gold kind stranger”

>doesn’t want to be “give a crown” will take it the iron way
>begs Tywin to give him the North
Wtf was his problem

>>24696244
Have no idea how people can even say this when we know when Jon and Dany were born. Jon was born after the sack, and Dany 8-9 months after him.

>>24695148
"All will be Fine Todayne"

Um guys, I think GRRM might be the Prologue POV in Winds… he’s going to die.

FAeGon BlackedFyre. He loves fat black masts.

>At the edge of the wolfswood, Bran turned in his basket for one last glimpse of the castle that had been his life. Wisps of smoke still rose into the grey sky, but no more than might have risen from Winterfell's chimneys on a cold autumn afternoon. Soot stains marked some of the arrow loops, and here and there a crack or a missing merlon could be seen in the curtain wall, but it seemed little enough from this distance. Beyond, the tops of the keeps and towers still stood as they had for hundreds of years, and it was hard to tell that the castle had been sacked and burned at all. The stone is strong, Bran told himself, the roots of the trees go deep, and under the ground the Kings of Winter sit their thrones. So long as those remained, Winterfell remained. It was not dead, just broken. Like me, he thought. I'm not dead either.

Alright Bran, you’re a pretty cool guy. You can be king I guess.

>>24681616
Wasn’t it always obvious the beeg tweest would be the Others dindu nuffin and are just misunderstood? It’s some necromancer variant of the Orc family meme. Children of the forest wot done it according to the TV show and somehow humans are to blame (this was a free square on the grrm bingo).

>>24696244
Viserys never noticed this random baby showing up and being gaslit with a fake story that he was totally there when she was born on Dragonstone, which is what killed their mother? How did Rhaella die if she’s not Daenerys’ mother?
Why did Ashara pawn Lyanna’s baby off to Willem Darry to live as a beggar and fuck off to raise some random fake Targaryen with the Shy Maid gang?
Why did Eddard Take Jon Snow and Lyanna fake her death when Jon Snow could have just been raised with the Daynes, with his mother alive, like all the other Dornish bastards that are basically ordinary nobility?

>Preston starts talking about Quentyn as if him still being alive is blatantly obvious

He's approaching David Lightbringer levels of up-his-own-ass...

>>24697075
he surpassed David Lightbringer ages ago

>>24685000
>His political power-fantasy is an 8 year old running a surveillance state.

You know I think that guy that said "9/11 and the Patriot Act changed Gurms views on the surveillance state and now he morally can't finish the series" might be onto something

>>24697077
I need winds to come out not because I want closure, but because I want all of these theoryfags to get btfo

>>24697077
David Lightbringer absolutely fucking destroyed the fandom beyond repair with his retarded “dude not!Chinese are the original dragon lords!” autism.

>>24687611
you did a right thing, homo

>>24695148
" Plow Myrish Swamps All Dayne "

>>24697075
If Gurm is serious about ending Assoff in 2 books the last thing he needs is more living characters, I know it's memed as the series where everyone dies but we need even more of that ideally with Winds killing off most POV characters if he wants to wrap things up in one book.

finished ASoS yesterday, damn that Emmett Frey epilogue was amazing, Im feeling really bad for that fella, RIP.

>>24696338
>Presents himself as proud warrior race guy
>Opts to attack desolate North instead of rich Westerlands explicitly because the Lannisters can fight back while most of the northern fighting force is with Robb out in the South
Kek what a bitch.

>>24697115
I wish instead of the shit questions he got at cons people asked him questions regarding things like this to the effect of “what do you think of the implantation of the patriot act and its continued and expanded use through the Obama administration?” Or “evil in some fantasy worlds are presented as powers, although in a form, intrinsic to the world itself do you think that alleviates the responsibility of men too much narratively?” Those answers would give us a lot better idea to the end of the series than shit like “whats it like for sir whocares in the empire of whogivesashit?”

>>24693629
>“Good morrow, Hugor.” Septa Lemore had emerged in her white robes, cinched at the waist with a woven belt of seven colors. Her hair flowed loose about her shoulders. >“How did you sleep?”
>“Fitfully, good lady. I dreamed of you again.” A waking dream. He could not sleep, so he had eased a hand between his legs and imagined the septa atop him, breasts bouncing
Was Tyrion ever more "literally me" than in this moment?

>>24697182
But will they accept that GRRM is actually more of a hack than they ever realized?

>>24687504
Gotta add the setting's closest thing to Gilles de Rais

The green men on the isle of faces convinced them to hook up. It is known.

>>24698171
R + L equal J and D

It is known

>>24698171
>>24698212
Actually
N+L=J
R+A=D

>>24698253
>N + L
Jesus christ man

>>24698253
>>24698258
What about N + R?

>>24698309
Rhaegar or Robert?

>>24698314
Robert, obviously
Two omegas can’t get each other pregnant, Ned belongs to Robert’s big juicy knot.

>all of Ned's red headed children are his and Catelyn's
>all of his black haired children are from him getting mpregged by Robert
TRVTH VVILDFIRE

>>24698358
Ned doesn't have any black haired children thoughbeit. Only brown.

>>24698358
Actually Cat impregnated him, she's the alpha of the relationship.
With her thick Tully cock she conquered the quiet wolf.

>>24698371
He does, his bussy-baby Jon.

>>24698384
>A gust of wind sent icy tendrils wending through his long brown hair. - ASOS JON IX

There's children of the forest on the isle of faces I bet. I bet they're good while the ones beyond the wall are bad.

cotf filled rhaegars head with fake prophesy so that he absconds with lyanna and starts a war that inevitably destroys house Targaryen

God I hate Hightowers

Reading Fire and Blood for the first time. I hadn’t realized the Targaryens were in Dragonstone for generations with dragons before the conquest. Why’d it take so long?

>>24699210
house Targaryen is extinct lmao

>>24699400
Yeah they died with Maegor, retard

What is an ending that isn't tone deaf to the current political climate and keeps accord with the established themes of the series?

>>24699436
Dany kills the night king, who turns out to be the son of the bloodstone emporer and his tiger woman bride (he has the pale blonde hair of a Valyrian but orange skin due to the tiger dna, which makes him look like drumf) and she becomes the epic dragon queen

Think George should start again from the start. Think this would solve the difficulties he is having writing the middle. Just my 2 cents, cheers

>>24698358
If you like. However, in the best of all possible worlds, ned and cersei have children together. Brandon lives, marries cat, Ned goes to south to kl; cersei kills robert, ned knows but makes will like robert asks anyway, and he and cersei have a charged co-regency which eventually resultd in intimacy, sex, love and children. It is (un)written.

Anon from the future here. You'll never guess who the high lords of Westeros chose in the great council of 305 AC.

When you think about it, George hasn't even finished the 4th book yet

>>24699739
25 years stumbling through book 4 of 7….

>>24699722
>You'll never guess who the high lords of Westeros chose in the great council of 305 AC.
Craster
Strong Belwas
The Dusky Woman
Victarion
Summer Islander with the biggest BBC
Ser Davos
Sweet "Shota" Robin
Daenery's loose stool
Any Empire of the Dawn emperor to make David Lightbringer haters dilate.

What’s the story with “silk song”? They waited 6 years for a video game?

>>24700412
A game that came out and is apparently good

>>24700412
a sequel to an indie game that people waited years for that is buckbreaking AAA companies and even made other indie devs seethe cause they are only charging $20

>>24681776
He refuses to say no to all the side projects and the success of the GOT tv show made him hot property and tons of people want him to do other stuff. His blog is full of this shit.

>>24701297
>>24701771
But people started making comparisons with Winds, except they’ve only been waiting 6 years which is a normal amount of time between video game installments?

4channers, leave GRRM alone!

>>24702123
Sorry but I’m a 4channeler.

do you think the Great Other is god like Lord of Light or real thing? Ice zombie? Human? what the fuck is he!?
>"The Great Other's true name is never spoken"
why not? what's his name

People who unironically believe that Joffrey sent the catspaw would also believe that Jon is Neds and Ashara Daynes son if they didn't learn from the internet what they're actually supposed to believe.

>>24702204
that was Joffrey, who else u retard?

>>24702168
Shut the fuck up.

>>24702178
>what's his name
UVUVWEVWEVWE ONYETENYEVWE UGWEMUBWEM OSSAS

>>24702288
>that was Joffrey
You don't understand anything about GRRMs writing and honestly writing in general if you actually think that.
>who else
The actual hints in the text point to Mance.

>>24702552
kek

>>24681455 (OP)
>290 posts in /grrm/
>only mentions his fantasy work
Any of you niggas read his sci-fi?

>>24702570
No because it's shit

>>24702579
lol, ok go read another rape scene framed in shitty worldbuilding

>>24702587
baited

>>24702570
I've only read Sandkings because DavidReadsASOIAF read it
it was kino

>>24702579
>>24702570
Unironically I heard George treats writing his sci fi stuff totally different from fantasy or older settings in books, to the point of it reading like Hitchhikers and a total opposite of ASoIAF is that true?

>>24702652
>unironically
Well I heard it ironically!!

another day wishing i was a poppy farmer in the reach providing MotP to maesters across the 7 kingdoms, this would bring me moderate wealth and station guaranteeing me a busty wife and also i would illiberally sample my own wares nodding out daily

milk of the poppy dribbled down anon's chin

>>24702552
Why would Mance do it

How would Mance get the knife? Steal it from the armoury?

How would he get the Catspaw to do it for him? Mance is brilliant at stealth he could do it himself.

>>24702974
>Why would Mance do it
To create chaos just before he's about to invade.

>How would he get the Catspaw to do it for him?
By paying the 90 silver stags that the catspaw had on him which also happens to be the exact amount Mance had on him in Winterfell. (Which is everything you need to know who did it.)

>>24702570
I liked A Song for Lya, it's the only one I've read

The ending was pretty well done, hit the right emotional cues and provoked the desired experience on the reader.

>>24701979
>But people started making comparisons with Winds
6 years is a pretty long time for a game like silksong which is pretty much identical to hollow knight

>>24702995
>which also happens to be the exact amount Mance had on him in Winterfell
when does he says this? I found the passage that says how much money the catspaw had, but not Mance saying he also had that much money

>>24703023
I checked and it was less obvious than I remembered since the actual amount isn't mentioned with Mance but the phrase "bag of silver" is repeated in both cases.

This guy's art is god awful.

>>24703178
I can't look at this, nibba just add mouth

>>24703178
Eh, it serves. And the characters are made distinct. Anyone know Alt History Hub? I love the little figures in his videos.

>>24702846
I just wish to suck on Alayaya's titties brehs... I just want a piece of Taene Merryweather's ass...

>>24703741
You'll get Lollys Stokeworth and you'll like it.

The charges, officer?

>>24704023
Giving Barbrey Dustin the ick.

new
>>24704184
>>24704184
>>24704184
>>24704184

>>24702652
Yeah that matches his Tuf Voyaging stories, but some have a lot more darker tones. Dying of the Light only has minimal wacky vibes