Thread 23365552

I can't be the only one right?
The show was really good.
The more I think about it, the more I think I was surprised by/not ready for how good it was. I was critical like many others were, but now that its over I think I and most other viewers are too cynical.
I was unprepared for something to be so good and fun and fresh.
And now that it's over I miss it.
The most fun I've had watching a seasonal anime in years.
Shuji doko

>>23365552 (OP)
>The show was really good
Stopped reading here.

>>23365553
Explain how was a bad show to you without sounding like you're an asshole

>>23365557
Explain Sayla suddenly taking over Zeon despite having 0 presence in the story without it sounding like an asspull.

>>23365552 (OP)
Try suicide.

>>23365552 (OP)
What other Gundams have you seen? I loved GQuuuuuux and I'm planning on rewatching MSG, 0080, Zeta, Turn A and GReco. Probably just the compilation movies. Also FLCL

>>23365552 (OP)
I enjoyed it but it really reminded me of how fucking shit most seasons are. God I miss when 90% of seasons were just endless isekai trash. I miss when decent mecha shows were more than one every few years. I miss when shows got more than 12 episodes.

>>23365552 (OP)
I really liked it too. I think it had problems, but it was the first anime I've watched in over a decade, and my first Gundam series, and I found myself really excited to watch it each week. I've been thinking about watching either GWitch or the original MSG but I haven't been able to get hyped over either one the same way. I don't know if this is still considered anime sacrilege, but I thought the english dub of GQuuuuuux was actually very well done and kind of don't want to deal with subs again.

>>23365567
Hey, the show at least established Sayla existed and had some relationship with Char. She should've shown up in-person at least once before the end, though.

>>23365552 (OP)
>The show was really good.
Not really.

I am still extremely let down by the final episode and everything revolving around Shuji and Lalah's unexplained relationship.
I do wish we got to see more original characters doing stuff. But even if we got more episodes I realize it would likely just be more OYW nostalgia bait.
So yeah, It's a little depressing. But not in the way you're suggesting.

I wish I could've gone to the GQuuuuuuX panel at AX today.

>>23365697
Never too late to pull off a heist anon.

>>23365552 (OP)
I'm epressed that it happened.

I wanted Man in the High Castle Gundam and instead got Gundam Multiverse of Madness. Disappointing and tired of multiverse crap.

>>23365693
It's pretty telling that in interviews instead of lamenting the fact they could have developed the actual story of the show more Tsurumaki actually just wanted to stuff more references into the show, for example he wanted a Kai/Miharu episode despite how little sense that makes for a few reasons

There's 3 kinds of people who watched gqux.
The first kind are people who never really dug that deep into the original big 4 (0079, z, zz, CCA - I'm counting everyone who only watched the theatrical adaptations in this category, although it's acceptable for CCA since the entirety of CCA take place over like 1 month). This includes bandwagoners who've never touched Gundam before, people who got on during the wing/00/seed days and never moved past that, so on and so forth. I do not count their opinions in the same way I do not solicit the opinions of vegans on steak.
Then there's the people who've actually watched UC, and of these people:
Group 1 really liked it and feel young again seeing their favourite childhood characters come to life
Group 2 also really liked it, but they see Anno's handprints all over this and are disgusted by the concept that anno is literally just like them in the sense of being a gigantic UC nerd.
You'll notice that this dynamic reflects a similar relationship between various duos/groups of newtypes and adults in UC. We never fucking learn.

>>23365746
You are leaving out a huge group of people who were onboard until the final episode.

>>23365746
>Everyone who loved the original UC series loves Gqux!!!!!
Gquackstards are overdosing on copium lately

>>23365552 (OP)
Think you’re the only one. I’ve already forgotten about this and am watching better shows rn.

After a few weeks/months discussion of this show will die down and fade away. This show didn’t have enough substance to have any real staying power.

At best this show was a nice fanfic of the UC. At worst a pathetic genderbent version of FLCL without all the chaos and madness that made FLCL so addictive.
The multiverse crap is granting, and gayest use of mitaku nai.

At best this show was a nice fanfic of the UC. At worst a pathetic genderbent version of FLCL without all the chaos and madness that made FLCL so addictive.
The multiverse crap is grating, and gayest use of mitaku nai ever.

The bots are still here.

>>23365552 (OP)
I cannot comprehend having such shit taste desu

>>23365552 (OP)
>and fresh
Come on now

>>23365567
Because she’s legitimately Zeon royalty and almost everyone else is dead

>>23365557
Came for an alternate post-OYW story, got a crappy multiverse story instead.

Just like Mortal Kombat 1, which was also a huge letdown.

>>23365746
I liked the nostalgic callbacks. I liked the new characters.
I just don't think they were utilized in a satisfying way by the end of the series.
I don't think this is an uncommon opinion around here.

>>23365567
other zabis:
>mineva (baby and likely still gay)
>haman (not a zabi)
>delaz (not a zabi)
>full frontal (currently stuck in lalah's whore womb)

>>23365567
Yea that's only a problem if you don't understand who she is.
Its not like the show is flawless, but most criticisms I've seen so far sound like they're from people who are resisting fun.

>>23365588
The original four, 0080, 0083, F91, Victory, a good bit of G (although I never finished it), Wing and its side media, 08th, Turn A, 00, some of Unicorn, G-Reco, IBO, some of Thunderbolt, and Hathaway.
I started rewatching Brain Powerd of all things in the middle of the show, because I was worried the show was going to be a pale imitation of the stuff I liked about Tomino shows, but even then it ended up being satisfyingly Tomino-esque. Not the same, but not a bad homage clearly made by people who cared.

>>23365594
Yea.
Tbf, a longer show might not have had the same thrill ride feeling. The fast pace of this was part of the fun.
But I do sympathize with everything you posted.

>>23365746
I'd say I'm somewhere between Group 1 and 2. I get both perspectives.
But the Group 1 part of me wins out, and mostly because it does quite a lot right by Char and Lalah and Amurowith the Nu Gundam he pushed back the Axis Asteroid, and with the GQuuuuuuX he both undid Lalah's death and saved Char from himself

>>23365945
I forgot to mention I'm rewatching these to cope with 'series ending depression' too ehich why I'm askin. I loved it but wish it was longer.


>started rewatching Brain Powerd of all things in the middle of the show, because I was worried the show was going to be a pale imitation of the stuff I liked about Tomino shows, but even then it ended up being satisfyingly Tomino-esque. Not the same, but not a bad homage clearly made by people who cared.

What the fuck I started watching Brain Powerd blind on a complete whim because people said it was the weirdest Tomino around the same time GQuuuuuux started and I loved it so much. I think its why I loved GQuuuuuux and Machi and Nyan being kind of really fucked up sometimes didnt bother me. I actually enjoyed them even. Fucked up Tomino women are great.

I dunno, the whole revelation of this setting just being:
>One of at least a dozen universes dreamed up by a Lalah who herself is from an alternate universe where Char died
Made this whole thing feel so unsubstantial and removed from the original fiction even compared to goofy shit like the Crossbone Gundam sequels.
Made it really easy for me to move past this series and just made me want to see what the next Gundam TV anime is going to be.

I'm frustrated that they established Machu and Nyaan's character arcs but didn't finish them. Machu never found her true calling and Nyaan never really faced her traumatic kill-triggers.
The Shuji romance was so half baked it wasn't really a final reward and just felt like tying up loose ends.

I love them a lot and am enjoying all the fanart and comics of them but I'm sad that the show didn't treat them as main characters in their own show.

>>23365567
This has precedence in real life?

>>23365945
When does this show involve the latter stuff?

>>23366225
Were you not paying attention?
Amuro is in the GQuuuuuuX and was guiding Machu the entire show.

>>23366202
Should've just been some AU show instead of trying to suck on Tomino's wrinkly balls. But I guess this was the only way it got greenlit kek

>>23366375
Yeah i hear his voice and his ''arms'' but i mean seeing axis and the nu gundam. I did see that they used beyond the time at the end of 11 tho. Very weird. I might have missed something, i'm forced to look away now and then for irl stuff. Never really felt i was missing anything anyways.

>>23366202
Nyaan is the biggest victim of episode 12.
They have everything setup for a good confrontation between Nyaan and Machu... and instead they get 5 lines of dialogues with each other, and 100% of those lines by Nyaan are about Shuji.
And this is all because they felt the need to give the spotlight to Char, they felt they had to explain zeknovas and exactly what the other-side is...
It really feels like there were two writer, "A" in charge of the new characters and "B" in charge of the UC nostalgia bait... "A" managed to keep "B" mostly at bay but he escaped in time to rewrite episode 12.

It's really telling that episode 11 ends with the rx-78 being "summoned" but it doesn't do anything for the first 5 minutes of episode 12 because we need to have Shuji explain the new plot to us.

>>23366425
None of Nyaan's plot points were resolved.
She was set up as the character with the most depth, but they forgot to give her any purpose or goal or agency.

>>23365552 (OP)

Yeah, I enjoyed watching it on Prime every week. It got me back into Gundam after a hiatus. Hopefully we'll get word on the next series soon.

>>23366503
>She was set up as the character with the most depth, but they forgot to give her any purpose or goal or agency.
In my opinion she was setup as a foil to Machu... her lack of agency in the second half makes sense, she's being used by Kycilia in contrast to how Machu is being used by Challia. The issue is that neither characters regain their agency before the end in any meaningful way.

>>23366525
I agree. She was a foil to Machu down to every detail. I think the fact that she is used by Kycillia is also a foil to how Challia doesn't actually use Machu but turns out to be nurturing her so she can grow by herself. The problem is that they just skipped that and tells us it happened in between the episodes.
It'd have been a great conflict if both of them actually acknowledged their mirrored lives, but they don't actually get into conflict at all. Their battle was merely a misunderstanding and then they just become friends again.

Requiem for Vengeance was better.

>>23365919
>Zeon royalty
Zeon was an elected official, Degwin turned Munzo into a dukedom/principality.

>>23366537
Yeah at which point Zeon’s descendants became royalty retroactively, see how Ramba Ral talks about them

>>23366386
Oh no, don't doubt your memory.
I'm saying that in CCA he pushes back the Axis asteroid with the Nu Gundam, and in GQX he use the qwucks to both atone for killing Lalah and heal Char's soul.
I'm saying I like the way GQ handled Amuro, and how he's advanced as both a newtype and a hero post-CCA.

>>23365552 (OP)
>The show was really good.
hes still trying to convince himself

>>23366565
Convince himself of what?

Gcucks wastes half if its episodes doing clan battle shit that is poorly implemented as well as the characters involved in it. It doesn't truly begin until after that and it entirely relies on nostalgia bait from previous entries. Its just fanfic made into anime. What a terrible idea.

>>23366529
>The problem is that they just skipped that and tells us it happened in between the episodes.
That's the whole second half of this show in a nutshell. Some of it you can excuse, like Machu attitude toward Challia and Comoli changing after her escapade on earth.
But just because you can excuse it doesn't mean its any good.
>Their battle was merely a misunderstanding and then they just become friends again.
I'm okay with this in concept.. it's not like they have a reason to hate each other, or to want to fight each other. But they should have confronted their parallels and resolve it somehow.
Instead we get a slide show of Char jobbing with different MS in alternate universes.
"Dropped the ball" is the best way to describe the end of this show.

>>23365552 (OP)
the show was an absolute failure
wastes half its own runtime on nonsense that even the copers cant defend and then teases you with some actual plot and character development just for magical references to take centre stage
horrible show, incredibly forgettable because its essentially just a fan fiction

>>23366569
>>23366574
>>23366565
Bot posts.

>>23366577
Its ok to like mid at best shit like gcucks, at least you aren't defending X or build divers.

>>23366569
Frankly I'd watch an anime entirely devoted to Clan Battles if it were as stylish and fun as GQ. Illegal mobile suit battles set to the backdrop of post-OYW politics was a really fun premise.
For some reason only the Psycho Gundam felt egregious in terms of fan service.
Everything else I can accept: especially the original Gundam appearing a the end.
There is a element to this show which is about art, artists, underground art, and graffiti
So Shuji piloting the original Gundam is comparing Gundam as a whole to graffiti/punk art painted on the world stage. As an artist I loved this.

I complained while the show was airing about the GFred looking like EVA-01, but even that I feel I've come to understand, when you view the show as a collaboration between Khara and Sunrise.
I'm not about to get in depth about this, but you have some very interesting things going on like the giant Gundam crushing the GFred in its hand like Shinji crushed Kaworu, Machu as a spoiled brat in the typical Red/White/Blue coloured mobile suit, but to whom Newtype compassion comes more easily, extending her friendship to Nyaan - I think there is something there regarding players within Sunrise and Khara and what this show means to the teams who worked on it.

>>23366590
Try fighters already does something similar to clan battles, its just not serious as it shouldn't because clan battles is a silly premise.
Gqux is just bad writing from the start.

>>23366611
Well I think it's pretty alright.
Let's see you write a better show.

>>23366615
It wouldn't be hard, you can always just copy what works.

>>23365746
I hate Wing/00/SEED and I didnt like Gqux much at all aside from Nyaan and Machu looking cute. Anno wasnt didnt even have that much creative control and I dont think theres a single "UC Nerd" out there that thinks Gundam would be better if it had parallel world travelers, demiurge newtype gods and Gundams growing super-giant for no reason, unless youre talking about the retards that like Unicorn.

>>23366590
>I complained while the show was airing about the GFred looking like EVA-01, but even that I feel I've come to understand, when you view the show as a collaboration between Khara and Sunrise.
And it took you weeks to reach that conclusion? Damn, you're fucking slow.

>>23365746
>I'm counting everyone who only watched the theatrical adaptations in this category, although it's acceptable for CCA since the entirety of CCA take place over like 1 month)
What the fuck are you talking about in relation to CCA? It was a movie to begin with, or are you implying that real UC fans need to have read Hi-Streamer and Beltorchikas Children?

I'm still salty about Nyaan.

Nyaan could have been the most well written character of the show, she had the best foundation. Everything about her was unusual, she wasn't just a template character. She had many interesting facets to her character that could've all been explored. The gentle side that just wants to be with her friends, the closed off side that distrusts people due to her difficult life, the survivalist side that would just run away if desperate, and the violent and resentful side that lashes out at anyone she perceives as being at fault for her situation.
She was utterly unpredictable for most of the show, yet every new side of hers felt like it fit together perfectly to previous information
>she simply accepts that she gets mistreated by authorities at this point in her life
>of course she was lonely and wanted to stay with her friends
>of course she had been surpressing her anger all this time and would fight back violently if she had the means to
>of course she has street smarts about being backstabbed by seemingly nice people
>of course she doesn't care to go to university and doesn't care about having any prestige in the society that abandoned her, she just wants to use it as a stepping stone.
>of course she was never truly swayed by Kycillia or cared about her lofty goals. She was just going with the flow and trying to survive with her current situation

Yet they do nothing with all this foundation and just stopped writing her halfway through the show. It almost feels like they accidentally struck gold and never noticed. The Shuji obsession being the end all and be all for both her and Machu was such a disservice to what they could've been.

>>23366618
Let's see you write it then.

>>23366656
No, I came to that conclusion as soon as I saw the Fred.
It took me weeks to come to a personal understanding of what they're doing with it.
It might be beyond the scope of /m/ desu.

>>23366615
>if you cannot build a better car you cannot complain about your car breaking down

>>23366721
>if you cannot drive stick you cannot complain your car's not automatic

>>23366714
I could and would write something better but they wouldn't let gaijin have a chance at making a good gundam for the first time in almost 20 years because it would embarrass them

>>23366733
Anon, you sure are a poseur

>>23366737
Keep sucking off shitty to mid gundam series like gcucks. The executives love people like you who will eat anything up.

>>23366733
>I could and would
lol

>>23366752
You are embarrassed.

>>23366717
As I said...

>>23365552 (OP)
Buy the model kits and write your own fanfic. GQuuuuuux shows that fanfics could be interesting.

You could also play Gihren's Greed to achieve non-canon outcomes.

There is even one where Amuro joins Char to takes over Earth in 0093.

>>23366714
Who cares if Anon can write something better or not. The show sucks and that's it.

>>23366796
/m/ is not ready for a mature conversation about the implications of Nyaan's character.
>>23366802
I think the show is quite good.
If anon claims he can do better, then let's see it.
Stop wasting my time with cuck rage and hot air.

>>23365552 (OP)
It was good, but not really good. The ending was pretty bad, it’s fast pace hurt it really badly at several points, and Shuji sucked.
Doesn’t deserve the hate /m/ gives it, but what else is new?

>>23366577
kinda funny how this spammer is the last vestige of quxtard cope left.
after the meltdowns I swear theres less threads and less obnoxious gay Yaoi char challia posting

>>23366824
Idk I think it was very good, and some people weren't ready for something to come along that is actually just good.
Cynical hearts could not accept it.

>>23366831
There’s definitely a lot of cynicism, but the shows got flaws too. It’s a difficult situation.
For what it’s worth, I had the same take as you until episode…7, 8? The cracks didn’t really start until around the Lalah episode.

>>23366856
I've yet to see a complaint with the show that really matters and doesn't come off as petty.

>>23366865
In other words you just invalidate or ignore every complaint

>>23365552 (OP)
>I was unprepared for something to be so good and fun and fresh.
it was bad and relied entirely on references, retarded opinion discarded

>>23365746
>its acceptable of CCA
retard reddit tourist tanks the movie is an adaptation of a series holy kek

>>23365567
No Amuro so Ramba Ral doesn't get killed. He discovers Artesia and keeps it to himself while making a plan to get rid of the Zabis as the war goes through. Char also disappears so Challia Bull joins into the plans. It's not even hard to see why it happened. You just need the background knowledge of the original

>>23365919
she isnt royalty though

>>23366865
Well fuck you too, buddy.

>>23366876
No, I have my own complaints, but none of them matters in the face of how the show succeeds.

>>23366913
But it succeeds in very few things and fails in a larger number of things.

So is this one another shit post?

>>23366876
Yes. And tells you you're not ready even though it took him weeks to understand basic premises. I guess it's the new 3deep5u.

>>23366931
>it succeeds in very few things
lol

>>23366931
It succeeds in a few extremely important things which justify the show, and the complaints of cursed spirits on this board are very overblown.
>>23366935
Anon, the commentary of GQuuuuuuX on Eva vs. Gundam is far from "a basic premise".
In fact I literally haven't seen anyone talking about it.
Feel free to start.

The show is bad, but it's average for an anime. I don't understand particularly liking or disliking it because it firstly was a product to facilitate merchandise sales rather than a work of art. I think it succeeds on that front since I kinda want a GFred high grade.

>>23366959
Name 15 anime works of art.

>>23366959
The show is quite good.

>>23366944
Gainax is doing what Gainax always did. Feed upon itself. I don't care that it's called Khara now, it's the same guys. Anno and Tsurumaki are Gainax for all intents and purposes.

There's a lot of Evangelion and FLCL in the show. Specially the Rebuilds, which isn't surprising, as Tsurumaki directed them.
It's not a subject worth of any kind of discussion, it's just there quite blatantly, to the point that even a mouth breather like yourself caught it. They did a Gundam show that when it's about the new characters instead of the OYW it feels like a Gainax show. From the woman that looks like the MILF from Nadia to the pet robot that lies over Nyaan's head (looks like the robot that Mamiji fed before it grew) to the Psycho Gundam behaving like angels and it's pilot like Asuka; heck, even Nyaan reminds of Asuka at times.

And what the fuck do you mean that no one talked about it? I've done a quick search and there's been videos showing parallels between GQuux and Eva from already 2 or 3 months ago.

>>23367143
No one is talking about what it means.
Pointing out the parallels is very different from realizing why the parallels were used.
I've not seen anyone talk about what Machu represents, what Nyaan represents, why EVA and Gundam are being compared, what Nyaan and Machu's friendship means, the subtext surrounding Nyaan's character and what it suggests, and so on.
Since you've called me a "mouth breather" you can sit on a nail and think about what I meant by that.

>>23367175
NTA but
>Makes a thread to talk about the conversations no one's having about G-Qux and its use of references
>94 replies in and not a thing of substance has been said
Are you ever going to go anywhere with this?

>>23367183
Nope.

>>23367183
I didn't make this thread to "talk about the conversations no one's having about G-Qux and its use of references"
I made this thread because I already feel nostalgic about the show, the fun I had watching it, and am a little sad it's over.
I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.
It says it right there in the OP.

The failure to elaborate on the good qualities of this anime by its fans and their deflection all criticism as trivia or bias is bewildering.

Why do newfags only know about gainax?

>>23367203
This anon is bewildered!
Bamboozled even!

>>23367193
Even if that were the case, you'd think such would come up while talking with the people here that already established some affinity towards the show. You seem to have a lot to say about the and tease this epiphany that changed your view on everything, but then you never wind up saying anything.
>>23367203
Agreed.

>>23367203
>>23367213
Why do you pretend to care about what people have to say about the show? You have been shitposting and ruining every thread for weeks on end pretending like there is a general dislike for the show, but suddenly you want to hear """the other side"""?. You never argued in good faith so I don't see why you would now.

>>23367216
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about? We've never spoken before.

A Japanese friend called 4chan full of "cursed spirits" and it's apropos.

>>23367223
Isn't that what the youtube guy said?

>>23367239
Youtube guy?

>>23367203
>failure to elaborate on the good qualities of this anime
I have, repeatedly. People just don't want to engage.
>10/10 music and bgm. They have a very distinct style being poppy and upbeat while melancholic at the same time. All the major tracks are very memorable and good to listen to on their own.
>Beautiful and meaningful shot composition, pretty backgrounds and vibrant coloring. This show is very colorful, full with atmospheric sunsets, colorfully lit nights and interestingly composited shots. It supports the mood of the scenes very well.
>well structured arc of tension in every episode. It always builds up something to a turning point. There's no boring episode. They always feel like they go by too fast and are very dense in content.
>Distinct and versatile character design. Whether it visually appeals to you is a matter of taste, but you can't deny that the designs have amazing versatility that doesn't usually happen with anime character designs. They change their hairstyles and clothes all throughout the show and still remain iconic looking. Usually anime doesn't dare to change the hairstyle of a character because it's the only thing that distinguishes them. The Take designs immediately stand out and are memorable in a sea of generic anime character designs. They also are well aninated and look good in every angle. There's not a single keyframe where they look bad.

>>23367305
>MCs are set up as multi faceted and not just a character template. Machu is a very realistic contemporary JK down to her mannerisms and not just a caricature of one. Nyaan is an incredibly varied character and has a lot of aspects to her that can be explored and is just unpredictable. They have a ton of potential. The amount of fanart and fan comics just a few interactions generated throughout the show makes it clear that people are very hooked on the character dynamics.
The production quality of this show is extraordinary. I'm unironically of the opinion that the first half was 9/10. The problem is it getting dragged down because of the second half when they leave the colony, killing all the character arcs and forgetting about the main characters, filling the limited time with a multiverse plot they don't have any time for and then turning to overexplaining shit that no one cares about. The show also loses most of its distinct aesthetic in the last three episodes and it just becomes a boring space backdrop. Machu and Nyaan's arcs got ruined by the ending being just muh Shuuji. They had much more going for them that would've been much more interesting. He himself also simultaneously got too much and too little focus to be a good character.

>>23367305
>>23367308
Based Sieg Axe enjoyer

>>23367305
>People just don't want to engage.
Don't take the cursed spirits of 4chan seriously.
And yea the show is so fucking stylish. It's so refreshing.
On top of everything I'm personally really pleased with the ending. As others have said, Lalah's smile makes it all worth it.

>>23367308
>Machu and Nyaan's arcs got ruined by the ending being just muh Shuuji.
NTA
But I think there is a complexity to Machu and Nyaan's relationship that makes the show so much richer when you notice it.
It's not perfectly executed, and there's room for improving on their stories with a sequel of some sort, but there is a depth to this show.

>>23367308
Most of Gainax/Khara/whatever works suffer this problem.
They are incredibly gifted animators and directors. But they are poor writers. A lot of plot points are abandoned, unsolved, contradicted or forgotten. Even when they have good ideas the execution often is so poor that you end up with a mess.

But aesthetically speaking, of course a show they do will look spectacular, there's few directors who can make such an impact on visuals alone, and most of them are dead or retired.

>>23367305
>>23367308
I agree with you almost 100%.
To me the turning point was the earth episode.
Machu had 0 agency in the escape from the brothel, or in her returning to the GQuuuuuux and finding the Elmeth. In that episode and for much of the episodes that follow Machu no longer a character, she a stand-in for Challia, Char and Shuji to explain the plot to.

You could keep the multiverse shit and make the ending good (at least better, I really think the whole multiverse idea is pretty boring) if you give the main cast *of this show* meaningfully.

>>23367314
>Machu and nyaan
>complex anything
You're delusional

>>23367334
I think that the last third would have felt less disjointed to the story if they had just added some hints on what would have been in the earlier episodes. Like at least give Machu some dreams or something of Char dying in the different suits. Or give Shuji some lines saying that everything feels like a dream or something.

>>23367314
It's not that it was not perfectly executed. It simply wasn't executed at all.
It was all setup for 8 episodes and didn't pay off.
Machu and Nyaan parallel each other for the majority of the show, their upbringing, their life goals, their social status, their needs in life and the type of mentor characters they get. They set all this up making you expect this emotional conflict to reconciliation, but they just skip it and make them reconcile and it just falls flat. Neither of the two acknowledge their status and the status of the other and what it means for their relationship. The entire show builds Nyaan as a deuteragonist, but has her basically do nothing meaningful at the end.

>>23367351
>Like at least give Machu some dreams or something of Char dying in the different suits. Or give Shuji some lines saying that everything feels like a dream or something.
That could have worked but I think the problem is much larger than that.
They started the show with Char having disappeared so of course he was going to show up at the end and because he's char, he's going to be a player in the resolution. Had Challia who's been chasing after him and Kycilia in the mix and there's just no opportunity to Give Machu, Nyaan and Shuji anything of importance, which is why they are relegated to punching each other instead of resolving their characters arc.

And they never would have had the balls to have Char not pilot the red gundam again, which means we need something for Shuji to pilot... It all cascade from the conflict between telling Machu's and Nyaan's story and telling an alternative UC story.

They almost got it right. But they dropped the ball in the end because they had too many things to juggle.
I for one, would have preferred they dropped Char instead.

I think >>23367352 sums it up perfectly. They built up Machu and Nyaan for 8~9 episodes then pulled the rug under our feet to feed us more Char wank.

>>23367305
I wasn't going to reply to this thread yesterday.

Giving the soundtrack a score of 10 out of 10 weakens your overall case. I a bit surprised you didn't think to not resort to hyperbole.
The soundtrack doesn't sound distinct at all from several anime soundtracks (industry wide) post-Sawano. Terui might as well have subbed in some songs from a few other things he worked on - even more, he might as well have used other contemporary composers' music, seeing as how so many of them ape each other nowadays.

Before you start listing "major" tracks, a few standout tracks do not a good soundtrack make.
I despise the thought that exceptions make the rule. It's like you don't remember what critical thinking skills your formal education taught you.
I_006A is the only thing that will remain iconic 10+ years from now.
I_004 just sounds like Sawanoshit that could've been used in Unicorn, NT, Hathaway, etc. etc. etc.

There is no melodic or harmonic consistency.
Despite all being composed by Saegusa, Zeta sounds like Zeta, ZZ like ZZ, CCA like CCA, etc.
Kawai sounds like himself across all anime post-Innocence, but he still made 00 sound distinctly like itself through strong motifs and melodies.
Tanaka had the chance to work on two separate productions, but G doesn't sound like 08th MS Team, nor do they sound like Hyouka.
Sahashi used his signature trumpeter-friend and soprano-friend for SEED (ex. Ultraman Gaia, FMP, The Big O, etc.), but still colored its soundtrack in such a way that is simply unique to both him and the entire anime industry.

You intuitively understand why, even if you don't understand music theory.
People instantly recognized https://youtu.be/3a0ulHGyplQ?t=68

I'm not satisfied with what I wrote here because "to engage in music-posting is a fool's game" (I willingly acknowledge this),
but I cannot see that you gave GQuX's soundtrack a TEN OUT OF TEN,
against the storied music history of this great franchise that is Gundam, and say nothing.

>>23367363
>doesn't sound distinct.
Many the major tracks are distinct and coherent with the city pop vibe. I completely disagree with you.
l_006 is standout, but so is l_003 and l_017.
Even l_004, the one you criticize as generic Sawano has a distinct whimsical poppyness in the intro and the violins in the midsection.
This is accentuated by the insert songs and the ending song also being in the same vein. They all support the "pop city girl with a gundam" aesthetic of the show and I think it's very coherent and supportive of the atmosphere.

>>23367361
I think Machu's character arc was resolved when she shot the activation key, that was her final step towards becoming the idea of what a Newtype is to her. Shuji's a fucking non-character, he's even more of a plot device than Lalah was in the original show. But what they did with Nyaan is just an insane case of bag fumbling. She's just there, she doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the final battle, barely even gets to fight in the first place, and even Kycilia's death she barely had any reaction. I can see what they were going for in the finale but something with Nyaan got lost in there.
>>23367373
I do agree that the music has a pretty consistent style but the problem is that I literally cannot remember any of it aside from the Newtype Bullshit theme, and even then all I remember is the 'la lah' part. Hell I can't even remember that damn insert song they used for Machu-Shuji smoochu scene. The actual soundtrack is just really bland to me. I remember the OP and ED but I don't really like either of them all that much, although I do listen to I don't care sometimes because I generally like bubblegum j-pop crap like that.

>>23367383
> Machu's character arc was resolved when she shot the activation key, that was her final step towards becoming the idea of what a Newtype is to her.
How can that be the finale of her character arc when it isn't an emotional peak or anything? I don't even understand why Haro has to question her whether she'd do it. What does it mean for her to shoot the key, what does it cost her? What does it mean for her character that she did it? There was nothing being resolved by it and I feel like they cut something major about it.

>>23367385
She paid a price on Side 6 because she's an internationally wanted terrorist now. To me it felt like the first decision she's made that wasn't just a short term, on a whim decision like joining Clan Battle was, and it was informed by her experience meeting Lalah on Earth and all the Newtype connections she'd had. What she went through led her to a conclusion that said deciding for yourself what to do is what really make seomeone a Newtype. At least I think that's what it was going for, it feels like we just kinda speedran her arc.

Honestly I really can't put into words why Machu's character works for me despite my issues.

>>23367400
But she already made that choice in episode 7. I don't get what shooting the psycommu key is supposed to mean for her.

>>23365552 (OP)
depression? yeah cause this khara miscarriage was comically bad. ill miss mocking you all

>Nyaan dodges the bazooka headshot
>Kycillia dies to the bazooka headshot again
Coincidence or pottery?

Someone should make an Evangelion side story where Shinji destroys all angels solo, ends up with a harem with all the chicks in it, including Misato, Ritsuko and his own dead mother, forgives his father, calls him "a little bitch", and then retire to the tropical island where Asuka and Rei polish his 8-pack with sunscreen.

And then it will be a close approximation of what is Gcucks to the original MSG. The meaning is so lost that it borders on parody.

>>23367408
I'm just grasping at straws for symbolism to justify why I'm okay with how she turned out. This is a show that's gonna take some time for me to sort out all my feelings about it.

>>23367429
Don't get me wrong, I love Machu and think she's a great and fun character. I just think she also got shafted in terms of her character arc. Nyaan even more so though, like you said and Shuji isn't even a person until the last 5 minutes of the show.

>>23366944
>>23367223
We get it, you guys are special flowers, gCuack is the best thing that ever happened in anime because one of you self inserts as an "artist", and not a badly written fanfic with superb animation.

If you're here you're 4chan as well. So if 4chan is a place of cursed spirits, then you're one too. That's what means to be Anons. We are a collective, if you want a place where everyone tells you how precious you are then fuck off.

>>23366944
>It succeeds in a few extremely important things
It really doesn't.

>>23367308
I agree with post this entirely.
Also, I don't really understand why so many posters are aggressively attempting to enforce the narrative that this show went off without a hitch.
Anyone who actually appreciates the good aspects of this show, like the run down urban colony setting, the original main characters and the initial subtlety in exploring what made this universe different, should be very disappointed that these things all became minimal to non-existent aspects of the show by the end.

>>23367495
I still hold to the belief that the show is just Khara's attempt at mashing together two different pitches together and cutting it in half.

>>23367512
I think the original plot was about the kids on the colony because that part got the most detail and care in production and was much better in quality than the rest. And then someone came in and said we need more nostalgiabait and mashed in the second half of the plot that doesn't fit well with anything and just feels tacked on.

>>23367438
Is Turn A really popular enough among non-mecha heads that it has to stand with the other series on here? Every time I see someone bring it up it's usually in relation to Tomino's other works, and I barely see it brought up as a stand-alone title.

Nu /m/ fucking sucks because it just shits on everything all the time, everything has to be wrapped in a protective layer of irony and sarcasm.
Letting the third world into the internet was a massive mistake.

>>23367438
I watched a little of Code Gayass and couldn't stand the character designs so I quit it.
TTGL was everywhere on early 4chan holy shit
>NGE
Never finished it, watched the rebuilds. Never got the hype over Asuka and teh rei
>WFM
lol didn't watch
>Turn A
lol didn't watch
>Gquuuuuux
Dogshit

>>23367533
This isn't new, why are newfags like this?
This has been the attitude since like Gundma 00 was airing.

>>23367526
It used to be, when all mecha was proportionally as unpopular with english speakers. It won a big poll on /m/ for most recommended mecha anime.

>>23367533
>everything has to be wrapped in a protective layer of irony and sarcasm.
The fuck are you talking about? What modern /m/ properties do this?

>>23367569
And again with AGE

>>23367352
I disagree that it isn't there at all, it's just crammed in with a lot of other moments or gets implied off-screen, which denies the sort of catharsis it deseves. In episode 9, the visuals indicate Machu reflecting on Nyaan's status vs. her own, and I think when they re-encounter each other Machu's treatment of her reflects on a change of mindset towards Nyaan. She doesn't want to just stop Nyaan from firing the Yomagn'tho at Earth because it'll be an atrocity, she wanted to do it to protect Nyaan from her own self-destructive behaviour. Machu's final little speech to Nyaan at the end is also meant to reflect what it is she's "learned" about Nyaan over their time apart - that she doesn't judge Nyaan harshly for what she did because she has had to struggle just to survive her entire life. In comparison, though, Nyaan is more sidelined in her growth. I want to say that we're meant to infer her regret of her actions through the physical response to blowing up A Baoa Qu and some of the dialogue she has with Machu in the final episode, but it's definitely more nebulous.

There's also the parallel between how the two are taken under the wing of Challia and Kycillia, how the former tries to guide Machu without forcing her into a specific role, whilst the latter grooms Nyaan to be a tool of war and how this negatively impacts on Nyaan, in particular. None of this is perfect, though, and I agree with you that the first half of the show is much better. Episode 7 is my favourite for how it pays off a lot of the various plot threads that had been set up and pushed the characters to their lowest points. If they'd reigned in their ambitions from that point to tell a less grand narrative, I think it'd have been a great show, rather than the (personally very enjoyable) mess it ended up being.

>TL;DR
I think there's a resolution to the Nyaan/Machu relationship that follows relatively logically from what's set up, but it's not given the time it deserves.

>>23367526
>popular enough among non-mecha heads
I don't know
>popular enough among pretentious, politics obsessed cunts on Twitter
Absolutely.

>>23367588
>I want to say that we're meant to infer her regret of her actions through the physical response to blowing up A Baoa Qu
The most annoying thing about this is that it's unclear if she even knew what it did. There's not a single line from her acknowledging it and Machu asking about whether she heard the death cries seems to imply she didn't know what happened.
Either she did, which basically ruins her character that she would willingly try to destroy earth, or she didn't and the show doesn't even bother clearing it up with just one line.

>>23367493
It *really* does

>>23367617
I hate to say it, but one of the best indicators that she didn't know lies in how she got her orders. The show loves to stick a reference to other UC shows to get a point across, and her orders being given in a paper envolope is very similar to the situation with Jerid and Emma in early Zeta. Neither of them knew what Bask was up to and, hell, Jerid doesn't even realise he's killed Kamille's mother, iirc.

>>23367642
I mean after the fact after she shot A Baoa Qu. It's obvious to assume she didn't know what the first shot would do, but it's entirely unclear whether she knew she just killed a ton of people and was about to destroy earth when she was trying to trigger the second shot. Machu asking her about the death cries seems to imply she didn't know about all the deaths and she has no line of sight to the outside. It's also weird that episode 10 ends on her feeling sick about it, then she tries again anyway at the start of episode 11, then she complains about feeling sick to Kycillia and doesn't feel like shooting it again. The order of events seems messed up here. She never consciously decided against not killing all of earth if she knew, it just happened that the gun needed a cooldown.

>>23367653
Ah, sure. I pretty much agree, then. I'd guess she isn't meant to be aware, and that her ignoring the sensation of being sick early in the episode has a lot to do with her Shuji tunnel-vision, which gets overwritten when she sees his astral projection.

>>23367641
No, it really does not.

>>23367642
>The show loves to stick a reference to other UC shows to get a point across
This is something I would really like to praise about the show. that it often just assumes you're familiar with gundam and doesn't go into detail about the larger setting and it's player...

Until the last few episodes where we have to watch Char blow up Kycilla, Shuji needs to show us Char and Amuro fighting over Lalah, and the show makes a point that Amuro's spirit has been inside the GQuuuuuux all along (if that's what it is, I could be wrong).
This last point if especially egregious because it only serves to shoot Machu in the back. She doesn't win the day because she's daring and is talented at keeping track of things around her as she pilots (which is what I interpret from her first clan battle where she baits the zaku into the ax, or her fight against Nyaan where she chuck her own cat-hear-gun-thing into her face). No, no, she just has the super-special main character MS.

The conclusion with Artesia taking over Zeon is something I really appreciate in theory. The show just assumes we know who Artesia, that's great.
But it's all muddled by the execution of the last 2 episodes. It's hard to trust that they leave things out out of respect for the audience when episode 12 is so bogged down in unnecessary explanations. They really suck out all the goodwill I have toward the show.

>>23367721
>or her fight against Nyaan where she chuck her own cat-hear-gun-thing into her face
For what it's worth, this accomplishment is entirely Machu's. The Omega Psycommu isn't active during her fight with Nyaan. I figure Amuro is more meant to act as a guiding figure, nudging her throughout the series, comforting her when she starts to panic, as opposed to doing everything for her.

>>23367757
>The Omega Psycommu isn't active during her fight with Nyaan.
I know, that why I use it as an example to highlight that Machu is a good pilot in her own rights.
My problem is that Amuro being inside the GQuuuuuux doesn't add anything to the story and can even be seen as detracting from the main character.
I guess you could put a positive spin on the ending in that it shown Machu and Amuro working together to stop Shuji. And you can try and interpret that as a message about "entrusting the future to the next generation" or something. But it all rings hollow to me.

>>23367721
>She doesn't win the day because she's daring and is talented at keeping track of things around her as she pilots (which is what I interpret from her first clan battle where she baits the zaku into the ax, or her fight against Nyaan where she chuck her own cat-hear-gun-thing into her face)
You reminded me of something I wanted from this show but it didn't deliver on. They clearly establish Machu

>>23367721
>She doesn't win the day because she's daring and is talented at keeping track of things around her as she pilots (which is what I interpret from her first clan battle where she baits the zaku into the ax, or her fight against Nyaan where she chuck her own cat-hear-gun-thing into her face)
You reminded me of something I wanted from this show but it didn't deliver on. They clearly establish Machu as a very spatially aware and a sporty and athetic girl. They could've used this as a perfect setup to give her a unique nonlethal close combat fighting style, especially since her Gundam is a mind controlled one. But they simply don't because there's not enough time for battles and she has like two figths where she does something vaguely cool.

>>23367797
Why is 4chan broken and wont let me delete my broken post.

>>23367801
>But they simply don't because there's not enough time for battles and she has like two figths where she does something vaguely cool.
This is the one aspect where I agree with the anons saying it needed more episodes. With all the things happening in the story there little time to have the main cast do a lot of fights.
Of course I would have been perfectly okay with fewer fights... if the character arcs of Machu and Nyaan weren't aborted right at the end. But as it stands, it leaves me wanting.
>They clearly establish Machu as a very spatially aware and a sporty and athetic girl. They could've used this as a perfect setup to give her a unique nonlethal close combat fighting style
That could have been neat. As it stands I really like her short fight against Nyaan and I think it does a solid job of showing off Machu's skills.
...But of course they had to show Shuji pulling the same kind of doges Machu does with the rx-78. Which cheapens it quite a bit.

>>23367809
Machu copied Shuji's style first because her moves are the same as his when he was fighting Shiiko. Throwing the gun back as distraction was also copied from him. I think the implication was that that's how Nyaan recognized Machu (even though it makes no sense for her to assume anyone else was piloting the Qux. Even Xavier knew immediately)

>>23367819
>Machu copied Shuji's style first because her moves are the same as his when he was fighting Shiiko.
... I completely forgot that. But also I really dislike the idea, even though it would make sense that she learns from him because there's no one else she *could* learn from.
>I think the implication was that that's how Nyaan recognized Machu (even though it makes no sense for her to assume anyone else was piloting the Qux. Even Xavier knew immediately)
To be fair to Nyaan, the last time she saw the GQuuuuuux was when she abandoned it under a bridge, "betraying" Machu at the same time.
She has no reason to believe that Machu ever made it of side-6 in the first place so why would she assume Machu is piloting the GQuack.

>>23367835
Anon you forgot that she was told Gqux escaped from Sodon with Machu in episode 8

>>23367774
I think the most charitable way to view Amuro's role is to slot him in with the other adult cast. There's a decent focus on how the older generation can positively/negatively influence the younger one, so Amuro representing an older figure who is readily available to support and guide a younger figure mostly works. Of course, it makes Machu's speech to Shuji extremely funny, in retrospect, but that problem persists regardless of the why behind Amuro's ghost possessing the Gundam.

>>23367839
>Anon you forgot that she was told Gqux escaped from Sodon with Machu in episode 8
I'm going to stop embarrassing myself then and just say Nyaan is a psycho that shoots people without thinking. It even fits with her shooting Kycilia in the back to protect Machu, which is the best scene of the whole finale.
>Of course, it makes Machu's speech to Shuji extremely funny, in retrospect, but that problem persists regardless of the why behind Amuro's ghost possessing the Gundam.
One of the main problem with the whole ending is the existence of that speech in and of itself.
I can absolutely agree with your interpretation of the role of the older cast in the show. But that what makes it all the more frustrating when they take the spotlight away from Machu and Nyaan for a large portion of the finale.
We can wax poetics about how the show is about the passing of the torch between two generations... but in practice, the show ends with Machu beating a giant Gundam by shouting like its Gurren Lagann. And i think that's a bit crap.

>>23367835
>there's no one else she *could* learn from.
You know, that could've been a good episode. Shuji teaching Machu how to use the Gqux and then the three of them hanging out afterwards. It would fit perfectly into the show, we could have had a bonding moment and Shuji could've been an actual person.

>>23367862
>We can wax poetics about how the show is about the passing of the torch between two generations... but in practice, the show ends with Machu beating a giant Gundam by shouting like its Gurren Lagann. And i think that's a bit crap.
I think that's fair. I'm a bit softer on talk no jutsu, in general, but how well it fits UC Gundam is a different question.

>>23367891
They really should have made the alternate UC episodes movie only / released under "episode 0". And dedicate all 12 episodes to the new cast.
I even think the pacing is a lot better if you rearrange things to how they were in Beginning. Of course there's a very good reason the show itself begins with Machu and not Char, but I still found it jarring how the show alternated between the two.

Of course, while I'm dreaming up a whole new show, I might as well change pretty much everything starting from Machu's arrival on earth.

>I'm a bit softer on talk no jutsu, in general
Don't get me wrong, my problem isn't that the situation gets resolved by Machu talking to Nyaan and Shuji. It was the only conceivable way for things to conclude. If this ended with the main cast shooting each other to death I would have hated it.
But I really hate it when characters shout they character motivations or the conclusion of their arcs out loud for the sake of the audience. It's awful writing and really sticks out in GQuack because all the episodes up to the last two had some very good moments, so I expected better. Especially with Tsurumaki at the elm.

>>23367891
They really should have made the alternate UC episodes movie only / released under "episode 0". And dedicate all 12 episodes to the new cast.
I even think the pacing is a lot better if you rearrange things to how they were in Beginning. Of course there's a very good reason the show itself begins with Machu and not Char, but I still found it jarring how the show alternated between the two.

Of course, while I'm dreaming up a whole new show, I might as well change pretty much everything starting from Machu's arrival on earth.

>>23367894
>I'm a bit softer on talk no jutsu, in general
Don't get me wrong, my problem isn't that the situation gets resolved by Machu talking to Nyaan and Shuji. It was the only conceivable way for things to conclude. If this ended with the main cast shooting each other to death I would have hated it.
But I really hate it when characters shout they character motivations or the conclusion of their arcs out loud for the sake of the audience. It's awful writing and really sticks out in GQuack because all the episodes up to the last two had some very good moments, so I expected better. Especially with Tsurumaki at the elm.

>>23367438
Why is Turn A on here? No one that doesnt like Gundam or Mecha to begin with would even have heard about it.

>>23367526
>>23367539
>>23367956
imagine being so low iq that you fall for stale bait every single time

>>23367935
>But I really hate it when characters shout they character motivations or the conclusion of their arcs out loud for the sake of the audience. It's awful writing and really sticks out in GQuack because all the episodes up to the last two had some very good moments, so I expected better. Especially with Tsurumaki at the elm.
That I can agree with. I can find that sort of thing acceptable, although not good, if it makes sense in context for the character to state their arc. However, like a lot of things in the latter part of the show, I'd say it's only partly justified.

>>23366569
Making a six episode web series about Clan bat and a six episode web series about the rose of Sharon would have been better than trying to do both

>>23366615
Not him but I could
I probably understand the themes of MSG more than Enokido and Tsurumaki too

>>23368165
Six episodes might be enough if you only had Machu, but for Machu and Nyaan you'd need at least 12 episodes.

>>23368165
Clan bat is a shitty premise. It belongs in the build series. Should have been removed entirely so they could add more depth to the characters that matter.

>>23368195
They would need something else than Clanbat then. They can't make Machu a soldier and fight actual war because she has to be a normal civilian schoolgirl. That's a core thematic of the show.

>>23368195
>Clan bat is a shitty premise
Underground MS fights where scrapers and ex-soldiers fight for money post OYW is a neat little premise. You could do a lot with the concept that the show didn't explore because it was (rightfully) focused on the main cast.

>>23367308
I like the actual discussion going on now. I fear to spoil it with overt negativity as I think this show has major writing issues (first half to me is a 5/10), so what well done scenes in regards to cinematography or imagery in general stands out to everyone?

I liked the scene in ep 5 when Machu finally escapes the locker and is running in the rain. It looks like she's running on the surface of a body of water without making any progress. How it pans upwards at the same time gives off an effect that matches well with the emotional turmoil at the moment. I'm also reminded of Machu's initial monologue about the artificiality of the colony and the general water/ocean motif surrounding Kira-Kira in relation to her character at least. It also had the most memorable song.

>>23369348
>what well done scenes in regards to cinematography or imagery in general stands out to everyone?
The scene you point out is probably the one that stands out the most.
In a completely different register, I really like all the scenes between Machu and her mom. They do a great job at showing through body language the strained relation between the two and I like the escalation that culminates with Machu running away.

>first half to me is a 5/10
You can really tell this show is divisive because I'm of the opposite opinion. I prefer the first half to the second.

>>23369348
I'd have to go and take more screenshots, but I like this scene. It's just shot in a way that feels like it's pressuring Machu.

>>23369732
I liked this sequence

>>23368168
>coulda woulda shoulda
Shut the fuck up and start writing pussy.
>n-n-no I was only talking hypothetically
Yeah that's what I thought.

>>23368202
>>23368210
My problem with the Gquuuuuuux is that the staff is making a big deal of Machu not killing when she barely fought. Some of the Japanese lemmings bought it hook line and sinker.
There is a reason Hacksaw ridge works but this doesn't.

>>23370405
>that the staff is making a big deal of Machu not killing
Fucking where?

>>23370405
>My problem with the Gquuuuuuux is that the staff is making a big deal of Machu not killing when she barely fought. Some of the Japanese lemmings bought it hook line and sinker.
Non-Japanese lemming here, I really appreciate that Machu doesn't kill anyone.
It's perfectly in character for her and I think having her kill someone, even in self-defense or in a rage (which I've seen some anons speculate could have been a cut scene from the fight against the police after the last clan battle) would have made her character a lot harder to sympathies with.
I think it work just fine as an element of her character that's shown but never explicitly discussed. And it isn't a central focus of the show so it's good that its not discussed explicitly.
>There is a reason Hacksaw ridge works but this doesn't.
Hacksaw ridge is an entirely different beast so the comparison doesn't seem warranted to me at all.
But I am genuinely curious why that's the movie you want to compare GQuuuuuux with?

>>23370429
>I am genuinely curious why that's the movie you want to compare GQuuuuuux with
Baby's first gory animation.

>>23370434
>Baby's first gory animation.
Isn't Hacksaw ridge a Mel Gibson movie? Is there a different movie with the same name I'm not aware of?
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>23370429
That's fine if you don't want her to kill but the show itself didn't make seem like a such a big deal. It also doesn't help she barely was in a combat situation. Personally I feel like someone who stops killing is more meaningful even if it's done very clumsily like Kio and Kira.
>>23370443
That guy is just an idiot.

>>23370575
>the show itself didn't make seem like a such a big deal.
I mean, teenagers not killing anyone is ideally the default. If anything, I wish they made a bigger deal of Shuji and Nyaan killing people. And to the shows credit, Machu has a pretty averse reaction when Shuji killed Shiko.
>Personally I feel like someone who stops killing is more meaningful even if it's done very clumsily like Kio and Kira.
I absolutely agree but SEED and AGE were much more "war stories" than GQuuuuuux. So it's a different context.
And I don't remember Machu's pacifism is ever being directly addressed during the show, it's just a consistent character trait.
It's not really made a big deal off.

>It also doesn't help she barely was in a combat situation.
We're circling back to the issue of having only 12 episode. And too many plot threads to follow.

>>23366615
Already done. Go through the /m/ archives and look at the /m/sv threads, the various Gihren Greed's runs and you can go even farther to check ZeonQuest. /m/en have objectively put out better written material than Gquacks.

>>23367305
The sheer irony to talk badly about the opinions of others, only to then present the most lukewarm, nothing burger opinion of all. Kill yourself.

>>23365552 (OP)
>Post-GQuuuuuuX depression
yeah, depressed it wasn't aborted early into production

>>23370429
I think it's important for Machu's character theme to never become an actual participant in war. She is supposed to be a normal schoolgirl and they write her as one down to her mannerisms, so her killing someone would just destroy that theme.
Challia's goal was to let the new generation of newtypes live for themselves instead of being used by the previous generation for their purposes, so Machu is the perfect embodiment of it.
Her not killing anyone is thematically relevant as her never falling into the cycle of war that keeps repeating in UC.

>>23370646
So you can't?

>>23366707
At least your character got to survive for more than 5 minutes.

>>23367308
>Machu is a very realistic contemporary JK down to her mannerisms and not just a caricature of one
She's something that shouldn't exist in UC0085, regardless of the outcome of the war. Colony life resembling contemporary japan, let alone through the lens of a japanese student is a dull stylistic change. It was probably only brought about either because Khara is so uncreative that they forgot how to centre a story around generic japanese highschoolers or because they were too cowardly to trust their japanese audience to relate to a character who wasn't a JK in space (something very few other gundam stories were afraid of doing)
Colonies in UC aren't supposed to have any direct corrolation with any real life culture, hence how nobody can decide which singular country zeon takes after

>>23369348
The scene in episode 7 with Machu and Nyaan swapping places in the Gundam has some nice framing, with Machu facing Nyaan, but Nyaan having her back turned to her.

>>23370815
Pretty much. Culturally, they should still be closest to the 80s. Technology and fashion should all look out of date to us.

>>23370815
>>23370906
This is such a nothingburger complaint.

>>23365552 (OP)
>The show was really good.
the show was garbage

>>23370661
>>23370932
Bot working on a sunday.

>>23370906
You act like UC having 80s tech was a creative choice. They were just using contemporary technology for that time. Not like it fit in the first place with the spaceships and mobile suits and space colonies and whatnot.

>>23370963
Unicorn had characters with 80s fashion and tech. It's always been the UC style, sort of like how Star Wars aesthetics are always WW2 crap with a some futuristic crap slapped on.

why does every thread made by a kharafag read like they are trying to convince themselves of what theyre saying

>>23370988
Because even people who were genuinely invested in this series know the Shuji's infodump in the final episode fucked everything over.

>>23370992
I never disagreed with this though. Shuji was always the weakest part of this show and he actively made the two MCs worse.

>>23370815
>>23370906
GQuuuuuux is an AU in all but name. I can absolutely understand where you are coming from... but surely you *know* why they didn't keep continuity with UC's aesthetic.
The goal was to onboard younger kids and I suspect younger girls specifically, since that's probably a demographic bandai is missing on the gunpla money train into gundam.
>Colonies in UC aren't supposed to have any direct correlation with any real life culture
For all the talk that side-6 in GQuack is supposed to be modern day Japan, the only things I can point to is that Machu goes to cram school and Nyaan and Machu have their meeting place at a small altar/temple thing on top of a high-rise.
For the most part, nothing about side-6 screamed JAPAN to me...

>>23370945
>high school drama trash is le good

>>23370970
That doesn't make any sense either. Considering their technological leaps with the mobile suits within just months, why would they still have similar consumer tech 16 years later?

>>23365552 (OP)
it start off well then shit the bed, the only thing i will remember is MP guncanon spam and zeek-GM

>>23365552 (OP)
The show was ass, stop being a tranny and watch real mecha

I wanted to see more of them

>>23371033
You are obsessed man.

>>23370988
because thats all kharafags have learned to do since the rebuild movies came out, its a reflex for them at this point

>>23370988
My favourite cope while GQuuuuuux was still running was when a kharafag slowly began to become aware of how badly this show was made and started to argue that Gundam wasn't supposed to be satisfying to watch and never was, in other words he was saying "it doesn't have to be good!" without a single mote of irony in his words

>>23370992
the entire show was basically unsalvageable around the midpoint, it is shocking just how fucking stupid things got
>>23371048
I genuinely believed some of them thought this would be evangelion gundam edition and win mecha fans over and when it flopped horribly they couldn't cope with that
>>23371063
I still remember them telling me the ending would be self contained and focus on the politics of the post OYW with zeon as the victors, and that I was insane for suggesting it would need magic and additional references to try and wrap things up
after the final episode came out suddenly they loved all that and had been hoping to see it all along

>>23371075
dont forget the "you shouldnt have expected khara to be competent when writing a war drama" cope personal favourite of mine

>>23371075
Why are you arguing against a strawman? You can read what people who liked the show thought of the ending in this very thread.

>hurr durr the fans said this the fans thought that
It's like I'm really discussing evangelion!

>>23371048
>>23371075
>>23371095
>the bot gave up and started replying to himself

its funny to see which quxtards are hanging around now that the majority of the r/evangelion users have fucked off
maybe they'll come around one day

>>23371121
some schizophrenic think they are preventing an alien invasion, some think they are chosen by god to be the last defence against demons, others believe government agents are coming for friends and family, and some, some waste their lives defending anno

>>23371063
>My favourite cope while GQuuuuuux was still running was when a kharafag slowly began to become aware of how badly this show was made and started to argue that Gundam wasn't supposed to be satisfying to watch and never was
Now that just sounds like peak comedy.

>>23371063
>people who ever liked the series and want it to be totally different cant understand why people ever liked the series
im not shocked

>>23371108
How sad is it to have to pretend its all one guy, if you cant take the heat get out of here fag, go write your fanfiction elsewhere

>>23371063
It was a mixture of things, Khara/Tsurumaki fags wanted the show to be good to show they werent washed after the divisive reception of the Rebuild movies and UCfags wanted it to be good to dunk on gwitch fans
Turns out no one got what they wanted, and now UCfags are shitting on kharafags for taking a fat dump all over 0079 and squandering the easiest slam dunk of all time

>>23371108
>every cucks thread reads exactly the same
>every cucks defence recycles the same talking points
who are the mindless npc bots again?

Holy fuck the bot is going overdrive.

>>23371176
Sure it is, junior.

>>23371176
if everyones a bot why are you still here. go back

>>23371176
get out troon

>finding flaws in GCucks is so easy even a bot can do it
Impressive

Wait, it's over? They're not just doing a break?

>>23371176
>im getting btfo'ed by rooooobots its just like in my japanes anime
bold claims

Do you like how they took background NPCs like Shiiko and fleshed them out in GQX?

>>23371205
No

>>23371185
>>23371189
>>23371192
>>23371198
Kek dude you are so obvious.

>>23371205
I think they did a relatively good job with Challia, even if he was less a background character and more the enemy pilot of the week.

Sad they didn't make GFred Nyaan's friend just like how Gqux became Machu's friend. He even gets to chill on the beach with them.

Also, how long does HLJ usually take to fulfill back orders? I thought at least GquuX kits would get restocked fast enough considering it's [current gundam], but I'm still not getting anything. I'd hoped I would be able to get both Qux and Fred when it releases next month but at this rate my Fred order is probably gonna go into backorders as well.

>>23371205
not really since the series is so shit

>>23370988
It's just how some fags are. Look up people who liked greco, every good review is someone desperately trying to convince themselves it is good.

>>23371227
>get baited
>act like a spaz
>get baited more
still figuring this one out champ?

>>23371245
Reco has its flaws, but its fucking masterpiece compared to this slop

>>23371289
>Reco has its flaws
Like what?

>>23371292
The pacing can be a bit shoddy sometimes, some great characters go sadly underused like Raraiya or Noredo and Bellri's fights can sometimes lack bite since you always know the G-self is gonna pull some bullshit and win anyways
But those are mostly small potatoes compared to what it gets right

>>23371300
>some great characters go sadly underused like Raraiya or Noredo
That's almost like humble bragging lol, but not that I disagree.

:(

I was never fond of the Lalah/Amuro/Char stuff so I didn't really care for Machu/Nyaan/Shuji's newtype stuff either, but I did really love the premise. Zeon winning the war and then oppressing their own refugees, the Titans being secret glowies due to lack of support, the Zabi cold war. I would have preferred the story focus on that, but I guess at thar point it would be a different show to what the studio wanted.

>>23371129
>some schizophrenic think they are preventing an alien invasion

I hate how I can tell who isnt a native english speaker but one wrong word and no capitalization.

So Zeknova is now the name for what happened at the end of Char's Counterattack, right?

>>23371682
It feels like what you said was what the studio actually WANTED to do but for some reason they got saddled with 3 teenagers they didnt wanna deal with

>>23371762
I mean, it was clearly what they were alluding to, but they never tie things to CCA directly, not even an AU CCA clearly. I'd be surprised if we started seeing that name used officially for CCA's event.

>>23371762
Axis was pushed by the psycho field created by the psycoframe of the Sazabi and Nu. It didn't go through another dimension at the behest of Lalah

I like pretty much everything GQuuuuuuX was doing, taking those elements in a vacuum.
Machu/Nyaan/Shuji is interesting to me, reading it as two girls pining over a graffiti artist's ghost. Even apart from Gundam and Newtypes, that an interesting idea on its own.
The Char/Amuro/Lalah love triangle is handled in a funny way in the show, anons have pointed out that BOTH Lalahs and the Char in the show are versions from other universes, so there's a degree of separation from the original timeline, but you have some moments I really enjoyed, like Lalah saying Amuro is pure, and her smile at the end.
The Clan Battles premise is really fun. Especially the "top secret prototype Gundam" used in illegal underground clan battles: that's a fun idea.
The Zeon victory alt-timeline is interesting, and the show does interesting things with it.

I guess most of my problems with the show come down to the pacing.
Pretty much everyone has said this.
I'm fine with the fast pace and the density of information you're expected to digest, but it really could have used more episodes to let all these ideas breathe and blend them more smoothly together.
And this is a more structural issue, but I might have established the Yogm'tho super weapon in the first episode so it's a looming threat over the entire show, and changed some things about Nyaan using it.

But I think the show is underrated by people who were quick to judge it. Myself included. I think I was too harsh on it as it was airing for what it ended up doing.
The Lalah stuff is especially effecting.

>>23371846
Yeah keep trying fag

>>23371762
I have several thoughts to fix gcucks but I would mainly just copy paste cca ending and tie it into the gqux timeline, anything is better than the ending we got.
I'd have the ending happen at the same time as cca with a gihren vs kycilia civil war going on with kycilia controlling earth, gihren controlling space. In the final battle gihren does what he does best and decides to drop a colony(machus) on earth to finish them off. Nyaan and machus psycommu go berserk trying to save earth and their colony triggering a zeknova and pulls a damaged nu gundam and sazabi cockpit from the original timeline, magic space dust engulfs the colony pulling it away from earth as aurora starts playing and the anime art style is changed to the same hand drawn style as cca.

>>23371865
Trying?

>>23371846
Ultimately I think most people have a problem with the shows execution rather than the concept it self.

>I'm fine with the fast pace and the density of information you're expected to digest
More so than fine, I would say the fast pace is deliberate very well executed in episodes 5 and 6. When the larger plot is "catching up" to Nyaan, Machu and (I guess?) Shuji, throwing their plan to slowly win money through clan battles out of the window.
For other things... like most of the stuff thrown at us in the last 2~3 episodes. I really wish the pacing would slow down (or they would just omit certain things entirely).

>The Lalah stuff is especially effecting.
I never cared much for Lalah, and as you said the Lalah in GQuuuuuux is basically a different character. But the epilogue where Char goes to find her did make me smile.

>>23371788
It's the other way around. They got saddled with the multiverse plot.
The three teens were definitely there first because they and their home colony have the most attention and care given to them in the first half of the show. There's so much detail surrounding them that it can't be an afterthought.
If you take the kids out you can rewrite the entire plot from scratch. If you take out Lalah and the multiverse, you only have to rewrite the ending. And it would've been better.

>>23372089
NTA
I actually think they did a decent job of marrying "random kids in a space colony" to the Lalah Multiverse stuff.
I can't imagine doing it much better myself.
Issue is it makes it difficult to tell a satisfying story for both sets of main characters.

>>23372148
>Issue is it makes it difficult to tell a satisfying story for both sets of main characters.
That is a major problem and why it didn't work. They knew they had 12 episodes and decided to waste one and a half on flashbacks and have the MCs just tag along for the entire three episodes of ending.
There's so many design sketches they had for the kids to be hanging out together and they couldn't use them. They knew exactly what limitations they had and still decided to stuff it so full that they had to cut so much. And they cut the wrong things.

The most telling thing is that they admitted they had to cut one frame of Shuji hugging Machu back at the end. They didn't have time for a split second shot ofnhim. But they had time to have a one and a half minute flashback of the retelling of the Char-Amuro-Lalah fight even though everyone knew what happened by that point.
They consciously decided to cut the substance of their main characters in favour of fanservicing the old characters. This happens throughout the show. It was intentional.

>>23365567
It makes total sense when you think of Chalia Bull's goals. Officially his mission was to track Char, but what he was actually looking for is an opportunity to kill Gihren and Kycilia at the same time. But doing so, would leave Zeon leaderless, which isn't something Zeon could afford with revanchist Earth Federation around. Even if he wanted Char, dude was MIA.
Now, the show didn't bother much with explaining who Artesia is, but honestly, an observant viewer would note her in the second OYW flashback as well as two flashbacks in the last episode (Char seeing her in G-Fighter and Kycilia talking about Deikun children).
Basically, if you missed all that it is a skill issue, stick to A/Z.

>>23372315
>But they had time to have a one and a half minute flashback of the retelling of the Char-Amuro-Lalah fight even though everyone knew what happened by that point.
I suspect, and this is the pettiest thing I could imagine so I don't think it's true, that it was very important to someone in the production team to "disconnect" GQuack from Tomino's UC as much as possible.

While no-one wanted it to be true. We all pretty much understood what was going on with the alternate history plot when they showed the 'Rose of Sharon' was Lalah in the Elmeth. But they make a point that this isn't the same Lalah from the original. It's a separate Lalah that lived while Char sacrificed himself to save her.
In a way, this preserves the "purity" of the UC timeline which I suspect they did so they couldn't be accused of "ruining gundam with a multiverse"...

Either that or it's the usual Japanese autism when they pick one or two details to over-explain so the retard in the back can follow along even when they are fine leaving many things open to interpretation / unexplained.
I swear if the same person that wrote the final episode was in charge of the whole show, episode 6 would have spend 10 minutes explaining cybernewtypes to the audience in a boring two-shot.

>>23372505
>In a way, this preserves the "purity" of the UC timeline which I suspect they did so they couldn't be accused of "ruining gundam with a multiverse"...
I'm pretty sure this was the intent.

>>23372517
>In a way, this preserves the "purity" of the UC timeline which I suspect they did so they couldn't be accused of "ruining gundam with a multiverse"...

Yeah, you can also see this, in an opposite direction, with the Amuro/Gquuuuux OOPart stuff. It's clear the intention is that it was made from some fragment of the Nu that disappears in CCA, and yet that's never outright confirmed. We don't see what was the fragment from another universe, and Amuro's spirit's cameo used his One Year War design. So, it's all left open rather than making it canon that CCA's events tied into this.

>>23372315
>The most telling thing is that they admitted they had to cut one frame of Shuji hugging Machu back at the end. They didn't have time for a split second shot ofnhim. But they had time to have a one and a half minute flashback of the retelling of the Char-Amuro-Lalah fight even though everyone knew what happened by that point.
The retelling was fine, they should've cut Pomeranians section for a little bit though.

>>23372315
>The most telling thing is that they admitted they had to cut one frame of Shuji hugging Machu back at the end.
That sounds less like an issue of "not having time" and more like a conscious choice about Shuji's characterization.

>>23372505
>>23372523
Okay, I get that stuff. There's a reason to be vague here. Protecting fan expectations or ehatev. But why leave something so pivotal to the narrative as how/why Shuji knows Lalah up to the imagination? Shuji is a new element , not something oldfags are going to scrutinize. Is he even from the 'Rose' Lalah's universe? Is he some kind of interdimensional stalker who only knows her from afar?
I feel like that fact that there's no other Shuji's in the universes Lalah created implies she didn't even know he existed. Which makes him extra creepy.

>>23372536
>I feel like that fact that there's no other Shuji's in the universes Lalah created implies she didn't even know he existed.
When was this established? I might have missed it, but I don't remember this detail.
I do get the feeling Shuji is meant to be a totally unknown element though.

>>23372536
Oh do not get me wrong. I am not saying their attempts to make the connection between the original and GQuacks blurry in order not to piss off ultra-otakus is a good thing.
I'm just trying to rationalize *why* they focus on the wrong things in the finale. Personally, I fucking hate it, I wish they didn't explain anything and focused on Machu and Nyaan's story.
As it stands they spend to much time on the connection between UC and GQuack (the flashback, Shuji's monologue, the mention of OOP parts) and they run out of time to have satisfying conclusions to the character arcs they intentionally started.

>Which makes him extra creepy.
They explain too much and not enough which leaves Shuji being a complete void of a character. Either you don't explain anything and he's this mysterious threat for the heroes to defeat. Or you make him a character. They did neither.

Unfortunately I think it was always going to end this way. Making Shuji pilot the red gundam meant that there was always going to be a conflict in writing priorities when Char made his way back into the plot.
>Just don't have Char show up.
We all know damn well that was never going to happen.

>>23372505
Wasn't it obvious that it wasnt the original 0079 timeline because Lalah said Amuro kills Char? He never killed him in the original.
Also that still doesn't really excuse them using so much time for the nostalgiabait flashback that their MCs sorely needed. They just got too self indulgent as gundam otaku.

>>23372534
They literally had the frame drawn already.
>>23372315
The only reason they cut it was time.

>>23372533
The retelling had no purpose besides being nostalgia fanservice. Everyone already knew it wasn't the original 0079. It wasted one and a half minute for nothing. Every second was precious at the end because they had already wasted too much of it. And then they just spend half of EP 12 infodumping instead of giving their main characters a satisfying arc.

>>23372606
>Also that still doesn't really excuse...
Nothing could excuse what they did.
I'm not trying to defend their choice or anything like that. I'm just speculating on what could be the motivation behind the (wrong) decisions they made.
>They just got too self indulgent as gundam otaku.
That's unfortunately the main reason, they were more exited about making their UC fanfiction than anything else.
It's a shame because as cheap as some of them were, I really liked the references in the first half of the show. And I think that's because they just made a reference and moved on, assuming you understood it. Instead of dwelling on things for too long.

>>23372315
Its very clear they didnt care about the machu/shuji stuff (nyan too) why would they cut away from what they actually wanted to do (0079 fanfiction)
>>23372607
Shouldve used their time better then

>>23372669
If they didn't care about them why did they write Machu and Nyaan so interestingly. I wouldn't have cared if they were boring. But they made them engaging and interesting to think about so now I get to be mad they didn't utilize them properly.

>>23372607
>They literally had the frame drawn already.
Sure but leaving it out seems like a concious choice to affect his characterization.
It's Machu who loves Shuji, and he's literally just realizing he likes Macuh too, so I don't see cutting a few frames of him hugging her as bad for the story.

>>23372832
>and he's literally just realizing he likes Machu too
I'm being petty but I really hated that. Shuji's line should have been "thank you" before Machu steals a kiss from him.
It would have made perfect sense with respect to Machu's characterization, and would have reduced the weird whiplash and out-of-nowhere changes around Shuji in the last two episodes.
Plus what's the lesson supposed to be if, after the story is over, Machu and Nyaan are still "obsessed" (I'm exaggerating) with Shuji? I'm not saying they needed to be completely over him. But it's such a shitty thing to do to Nyaan, whom we may never see again, that she's reduced to only caring about Shuji and nothing else.

>>23372832
>It's Machu who loves Shuji
Shuji was the first one who confesses.
They just turned him into an otomege male love interest.

>>23372839
>Plus what's the lesson supposed to be if, after the story is over, Machu and Nyaan are still "obsessed" (I'm exaggerating) with Shuji?
Well, the idea that every story needs a "lesson" isn't something I agree with.
But as the conclusion to the Machu/Nyaan/Shuji story arc I can agree it feels weaker than it should.
I think Machu and Nyaan becoming MAVs is meant to have more significance than people realize.
And I think there is an angle of subtext that makes Nyaan's story much more complex; but if I'm reading it correctly it's politically wise for them to leave it as subtext.

>>23372858
>Well, the idea that every story needs a "lesson" isn't something I agree with
I wouldnt necesarily say a "lesson" but a story is supposed to have a point, and I really dont see the point of machu

>>23372858
>Well, the idea that every story needs a "lesson" isn't something I agree with.
>But as the conclusion to the Machu/Nyaan/Shuji story arc I can agree it feels weaker than it should.
Maybe lesson isn't the right term. But since meeting Shuji is the inciting incident that changes Machu and Nyaan's lives there needs to be a nice bookend to his role in the plot.
(I'm of the opinion that Machu and Nyaan's meeting because of Machu's broken phone is the real inciting incident, since that's what leads to Machu piloting the GQuuuuux. But with how central Shuji is to the plot and to both girls story, let's go with him for the sake of argument.)
If you change just a couple lines, you can have the classic "moral" of
>if you love someone, let them go
It would tie a lot better with the theme of "freedom" and "captivity" that this show is clearly interested in discussing. But with the current conclusion... I really can't tell what the message is supposed to be. It's muddled, and that's what frustrating about it. Because all the ingredients are there!
>I think Machu and Nyaan becoming MAVs is meant to have more significance than people realize.
It's not that I don't realize, it's that the show doesn't do it justice. The day isn't won by Machu and Nyaan teaming up as MAVs and winning together. It's won by the GQuuuuuux going super sayan.
Which on top of being silly and out of place with the rest of the show, not to mention Gundam as a whole, is punctuated by throwing the word "Endymion" around meaninglessly ("Whoo greek mythology! Look at me!" -fuck off Anno, I know this was your idea.) and by showing that Amuro was inside the GQuuuuuux all along. Which I've complained earlier in the thread only serves to take away from Machu.

>And I think there is an angle of subtext that makes Nyaan's story much more complex; but if I'm reading it correctly it's politically wise for them to leave it as subtext.
I don't see what you mean but I am curious. Can you explain what you mean?

Machu and Nyaan becoming friends at all is incredibly forced in the first place desu

>>23372887
>If you change just a couple lines, you can have the classic "moral" of
I'm glad you weren't writing the show.

>>23372906
There's nothing wrong with it conceptually. Machu treats her without prejudice while Nyaan is just lonely and never had a normal life so she'd probably enjoy experiencing normal girl things with her. Machu also finds her interesting because she is cool and special as an underground courier.
There's a lot you could do with them but they just didn't do it.

>>23372916
Don't worry mate. None of us are ever getting an opportunity to work on gundam in an official capacity, and that's a good thing.

ironic meme speak is getting tiring

>>23365552 (OP)
>The most fun I've had watching a seasonal anime in years
I thought G-Quacks Gunduck was awesome too, but more than Bravern and Metallic Rouge threads? Really?

>>23371234
Gfred not getting really anything is kind of crazy.

>>23371826
>It didn't go through another dimension at the behest of Lalah

Is all Zeknova tied to Lalah? I thought it was just New Types vibing with each other strongly and since Lalah is so strong and she made the GQ universe, the major ones were caused by her.

>>23371866
Yeah, I didn't get the point of the plot twist being that Lalah was from another UC that wasn't the main one. Why are we meant to care about some other Lalah, Char, and Amuro that fought in an unrelated universe, except Amuro won that time causing Lalah to make yet another universe. Tie it to orginal UC somehow or just make it it's own thing. I was fine with this being an alternate timeline where Char got RX-78 instead of Amuro but it's origin coming from another alternate timeline was a bit silly. New Types have enhances reflects and some precog but this was just straight up magic and super powers.

>>23373102
>Is all Zeknova tied to Lalah?
I think so?
Thematically if we look back at the first zeknova which causes char to disappear. We've got all the right pieces:
Sayla and Char are there in person, and Amuro is there "conceptually" as the rx-78. And Lalah is teased with Char asking 'who are you?" and saying Lalah's line of "I can see time".
The second one where Shuji disapears I guess can be tied back to her because he's a manifestation of her desire not to wake up ? (I guess? We don't really know what Shuji *is* per say.)
And of course in the Finale, Lalah is in the Elmeth.
What doesn't make sense is the mention of the OOP parts. I've seen some anons try to tie them to Unicorn or CCA... but I can't remember any specific clues in GQuuuuuux.

>it's origin coming from another alternate timeline was a bit silly.
Silly really is the best word for it, isn't it?
Baffling is another good one.

>>23373102
The show explicitly states the rose of Sharon is what causes all zeknovas

>>23373120
The OOP parts have nothing to do with unicorn or CCA. Theoryfags simply got hung up on Beyond The Time playing and I'm willing to bet a few of them wanted their pet theory of the Okawara Gundam being the Nu in disguise bleed into their thoughts even after episode 12 aired and had nothing CCA related besides a single line from Challia and a still image of that unrecognizable Sazabi redesign.

>>23372906
>>23372919
It didn't help that the ed credits made them seem like they would be the best of friends when most of what we got is anything but that, even if they ended up being a little closer.
>There's a lot you could do with them but they just didn't do it.
That's pretty much the show as a whole when it comes to those two for the sake of have a Char multiverse.

>>23373220
the ED is literally an epilogue

>>23373225
Do we see them parting in the ED? We just see them on the beach. Maybe if it had a montage of them having fun, putting all that happened aside, instead, they swore to find Shuji, and it fades to black.

>>23373277
The ED takes place after the last episode. Their house is on earth. You can even see the sunset in the ending.

>>23373225
yeah thats the problem

New video essay slop
I don't even watch gundam stuff on this account I have no idea why this got recommended to me

>>23373302
I guess you're right, but like the anon said, it's a problem as it was just disappointing all around.

>>23373327
You are now contractually obligated to watch this video in full and use any retarded opinions contained within as bait in this thread and others.

>>23373327
that channel is really good tho, cares more about UC gundam and its theme than any Gqx fan ever will

>>23373386
Nta but I'm trying but this gay has a very stereotypical gay voice and it's throwing me for a loop. Although I am mildly interested in what he has to say because it seems like it's going to be a negative video, for someone reason I thought any video essay background noise this show gets would be positive.

>>23373327
>So, what is Turn A saying about identity, anyway?
>bsky link in bio
Of course.

>>23373327
>>23373452
Ok yeah this fucker already lost me about 6 minutes in complaining GQuuuuuuX's Lalah being complacent and waiting for Char to come save her. That's the point you dumb motherfucker, this isn't the original Lalah and she's supposed to be a representation of what the other Lalah is doing by hopping timelines to try and save Char: they're both living in denial.

Shit man maybe I should start making video essays if this the quality you need to get a couple thousand followers giving you Patreon money.

>>23373476
Anon, I would sooner die than listen to Pyramid Inu's voice again, but have you considered that he might just find the point stupid?

>>23373483
Yes, and he's entitled to that opinion, I just disagree that it's as bad as he thinks. I feel like he's getting hung up on a portrayal of a character that was barely a character in the first place. I like Lalah generally but she really comes off as a plot device sometimes, maybe she's a more active character in the movies than she is in the series. However, he raises a good that a lot of people don't know the actual context for the whole brothel thing, shit I didn't admittedly. I will be commiting ritual suicide in front of the Gundam Base to atone for the crime of being a fake Gundam fan.

Joking aside, I'm finishing the video and giving it a fair shake, but that comment just made my tism flare up.

>gqux haters are youtube babs
Why the fuck am I not surprised.

>>23373476
that almost sounds like an interesting to idea to explore until you remember lalah is a non-character in gqux

>>23373528
>You now remember that the sole purpose of Machu episode on earth was for her to have Lalah explain the plot to her. Before she immediately get captured by Challia a second time.
It wouldn't be so bad if one third of episode 12 wasn't also dedicated to Shuji explaining the plot to Machu.

>>23373715
I still cannot wrap my head around why they fumbled the easiest slam dunk ever that was taking lalah with machu for the last third of the show, building on their non-existant relationship and having her play into the conclusion
for a show that is supposedly about lalah she does nothing in it

>watched like half of EP1 before dropping it
>watched entire EP2
>skip everything and watched EP12
I think it was pretty kino

>>23373755
Machu already had no time to get closer to the Sodon crew. Taking Lalah as well would've been too much.

>>23373964
Ep2 was probably the peak

>>23374400
Yeah, peak boredom.

>>23366707
She was even more of an afterthought than the clan battles.

>>23373992
Why center the show around lalah if you were not gonna have enough time to deal with her

>>23374689
poor decision by the studio team

>>23373327
I actually listened to the entirety of this and I actually like what they said. This show is just oozing with atmosphere and personality and could have been about three dissociated newtype kids finding their place in an inescapable fake soulless urban cage and yearning for the emotional high of mecha death battles.
Instead we got gunotaku wish fulfillment.

>>23374699
Apparently the original proposal would've only briefly shown the actual divergent UC story in bite sized chunks throughout the show. And then the producer asked for more of it and they ended up with episode 2 written by Anno.

And the producer is also the one who asked Gfred to be Evagundam. Maybe everything is the producer's fault.

>>23374705
Thats still on tsurumaki for being a doormat, his "fuck it we roll" approach works something experimental and short like FLCL or Diesbuster but not something this ambitious thats trying to tell a coherent story

>>23374797
Diebuster fucking sucks, though.

>>23371205
They made the Not so Tri-stars even bigger jobbers in this.
No.

Another thing I think that got cut. They deliberately made the Side 6 government be present for the Solar Ray inauguration. It'd have been a perfect opportunity for Machu's mom to be there and witness what's happening, and or have their reporters see the Gquax that they think is a terrorist help save the day. But it just never gets mentioned again

>>23376362
Adding onto what you've said, they also established that Machu's dad is a bigshot. So he could have been originally involved in the second half of the plot. But maybe he got cut in some rewrites along the way.
It is very odd that we never see him.

As it is,
> They deliberately made the Side 6 government be present for the Solar Ray inauguration.
and all it amounted to is 5 frames of a police Zaku and the ship he was escorting blowing up.

>>23376024
Diesbuster is the mona lisa next to gqx

>>23377102
Diebuster suffers from quite a few of the same problems as Gquuuuuux, especially in regards to its relation to its predecessor. The difference is in degrees.
A portent of doom is what i'd call it. I imagine in a new years time the reference bits of Gquuuuuux will be the only parts ever remembered, just like how the scenes in Diebuster where "Gunbuster March" plays and where the two protagonists of Gunbuster return and get their happy ending are all that it's remembered for

>>23377204
Nah, diebuster has other issue, the OG stuff is the best parts, better than the OG if im being honest

>>23365746
As someone who watched all of gundam I can rightfully tell you to go fuck yourself

>>23366865
So wasting half the show in pointless shit is petty for you?

>>23367305
>does nothing but praise technical aspects of the show
Not even gonna try to defend the plot huh?

>>23381798
It's the best Gundam series since 00 season 2, not even kidding. The based Gainax folks saved Gundam. Well, TV Gundam, Requiem For Vengeance saved shorts a d Seed Freedom is the best anime movie ever made.

>>23365552 (OP)
>The most fun I've had watching a seasonal anime in years
I thought G-Quacks Gunduck was awesome too, but more than Bravern and Metallic Rouge threads? Really?

A d why was my post deleted?

>>23381848
>>23381872
Kill yourself drool.

>>23381788
I've been in a one man battle against retards saying the RE2 remake is good when the b campaign is absolute dogshit making 50% of that game trash. You'd be surprised what some people will excuse

>>23381872
Sometimes it is the will of the Getter Rays, my friend. Turn the wheel of time lest the Dragon fails to subdue the Dark One.