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>Cyber-Newtypes are just Zeta's term for women in the workplace
This makes way too much sense.
Also where is this "the woman question" essay Tomino wrote?

>>23374497
Tomino wrote a whole tirade about the Jews controlling the world, I can't keep from thinking this actually happened.

>>23374486 (OP)
idk but Tomino did say, "Zeta is a piece of shit" and he's right

>>23374521
He says that because he didn't write most of it.

Pills taken
Enhancements made
Psychotherapy underwent
Mobile Armor ready for launch

Girlboss time!

>>23374486 (OP)
Gates is literally right there. The majority of cybers are women though, probably because their biology takes better to the procedures.

>>23374552
Tomino didn't make Gates or Rosamia II.

>>23374520
The boomer japanese had similar thoughts. It's a left wing position. Because they saw Israel as a proxy state of the USA for keep engaging on imperialism in the middle east.

>>23374520
Based

Reminder, millions of spacenoids were holocausted because one woman was horny

I thought /m/ liked cybernewtypes.

>>23374686
not like that, like who the fuck pines for gyunei?

>>23374686
They cute

Yeah after watching Brain Powerd I can believe it.

>>23374552
Gates isn’t really a full cyber newtype. I think he’s more so enhanced like Gyunei.

>>23374819
>fucks the MC's sister and mother
>endgame is to fuck his own mother
MY FUWARKING HERO

>>23374562
And as it turns out, the USA is a proxy state for Israel, to keep engaging in imperialism in the middle east.

>>23374686
Just the underaged ones and Four.
>Captcha: 4JJT8

>>23374552
There's also Mashymere, Gyunei, Carozzo..
Most of them are women because they all die and Tomino loves killing women.

>>23374741
Deux was just otaku bait and switch.

>>23375707
He loves writing women who get what they deserve. It's a time-honored winning formula.

>>23374694
Me

>>23374694
The G-Cucks director.

>>23374486 (OP)
as a former neet can confirm jobs are hell

>>23374486 (OP)
Emma is shown to be in a fairly positive light though. Really don't understand this point at all. Also Kamille's mom is depicted as far less of a piece of shit than Kamille's father. Kamille himself is a pretty emotionally irrational kid too so I really don't get this viewpoint.

>>23376346
That's what I like about a lot of Tomino's direction though. It's very fast and it doesn't leave a lot of fat on the table for action. Also the scene is pretty clearly Amuro faking out Gyunei with his gear being detached. Gyunei is out of range and couldn't see where Amuro darted off from. If the scene were to slow down to a halt to explain Amuro's tactics it loses the sudden impact and killing of Gyunei.

>>23376346
The Japanese actually like that shounen shit where characters explain exactly what is going on every 5 seconds?

>>23377589
It's so beyond terrible lol. Same shit was done in 1970's american superhero comics.Just drags out literally everything done in a fight

>>23377574
>Emma is shown to be in a fairly positive light though.
The fights with Reccoa frame Emma to be in the wrong for putting her morals before her personal desires. Her name being "A Machine" pretty much alludes to how she's "killing her womanhood" by fighting in a war.

>>23377592
They only dropped that because that's what Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen did. Now it's replaced with edgy monologues about how cool they are to always be suffering.

>>23377614
Reccoa is a rape victim who's trauma laid with being used by men. Her talking to Emma about being "humiliated" by men is supposed to highlight why she is a broken person. Emma is also the far more empathetic person in the show as she was morning Katz and obviously her psuedo love interest Henkin. This furthers Tomino's statement in the proposal about "We won’t be debating the validity of this aspiration." Also Emma in her dying moments is shown somewhat comforting Kamille. A role she seemingly grew into in the course of their relationship in the show. I really don't know how you can see their fight as Emma being shown in the wrong. Rather Emma just not understanding the context of who Reccoa was. Scirocco being a womanizing manipulator and the big bad kinda implies that Zeta is just tackling the abuse women would face in the military/workforce.

>>23377632
>rape victim
Unsubstantiated fan theory.

>>23377671
The episode where she meets Kai implies it pretty clearly. You assuming the scene where Emma kills Reccoa is supposed to show Emma as in the wrong just retarded lol.

>>23377671
>/m/ autists can't understand subtext

>>23377686
>The episode where she meets Kai implies it pretty clearly.
No it doesn't.
>You assuming the scene where Emma kills Reccoa is supposed to show Emma as in the wrong just retarded lol
"I'm a woman, that's why I'm your enemy" isn't really interpretable any other way. There's also her bizarre lines to Fa in episode 45 where she doesn't think of joining the Titans as a betrayal and feels very satisfied as a woman, in the same episode where Sarah calls Katz "unmanly" for wanting to share affection with her.

>>23377589
>that shounen shit

>HBIC is an incredibly powerful natural Newtype
Weird how that works out.

>>23377589
>The Japanese actually like that shounen shit where characters explain exactly what is going on every 5 seconds?
I had almost the same reaction like you when I first watched Tomino's animes

weren't Riddhe, Full Frontal, and Zoltan cyber newtypes? that really disproves the "female workers" allegory.

This is Gates. He exists. You probably don't remember him, or think he was made for that new fangled show. He was in Zeta.

>>23377964
It's Rosamia's little brother

>>23377671
This.

>>23376346
>The film doesn't clearly show how Amuro pulled that off
Total hacks who believe this should be blacklisted from the industry.

>>23377943
Shhhh...
Don't ruin their "Tomino hated women and Jews" theory; it's the only reason why they even watch Gundam.

It's why so many people misinterpret that one interview where he talked about his process for hiring female seiiyu.

>>23378037
Who is this fictional "other" you made up in your head supposed to be?

>>23378037
I mean, he doesn't hate the jews per se. But like many people of his generation are very wary of the state of Israel and the zionist.

>>23378049
I've also seen plenty of Japanese writers of the same age be embarrassed about those fears because what effected Japan the most where its own dumbass leaders and over-confidence in The Bubble.

>>23378051
But you are being ahistorical, Tomino references to Carbine being a zoinist happen before the burst of the bubble.

>>23378079
The embarrassment is more current.
At the time, yes; they were fearful of Zionists and their effect on world politics (which make sense, given what it must look like to a country beaten and neutered by the US to watch the US then drop whatever it's doing to protect Israel)
But then decades passed and the problems effecting Japanese people came from Japan itself and not evil Zionists manipulating world politics against them.

>>23378085
You, again, are being ahistorical. USA-Israel relationship were stiff in the first decades of existence of Israel. With Carter they were in a real danger of rupture because the support of Carter for a palestinian state. It was only until Reagan that the relationship became more cordial.
And talking specifically about Tomino generation, they probably thing of Israel as a imperialist project because the conections of the JRA with the PFLP.

>>23377943
Those aren't Tomino Gundam characters

>>23377709
You are taking a lot of what reccoa says at face value. Everyone in the show just says she doesn't know what she's doing. She's tragic if anything not seen as "in the right" at all. Also Sarah calling Katz unmanly is just her being immature herself. Kamille throws her against the wall because she's completely delusional to scirocco grooming her. You are a idiot

>>23378103
Gyunei and Gates are though. What is your point.

>>23378101
>>23378079
So all Japanese Boomers are voracious anti-Zionists that never realized that it was their dumbass politicians and work culture that fucked them over? I figured Tomino would be smarter than that.

>>23378125
No.
He's just pointing out that the other guy's view on why Japanese Boomers wouldnt trust Israel is ahistorical.
I would like to see proof of these alleged anti-Zionist Japanese writers who retracted their beliefs due to recognizing the problems inherent in their our country/culture. I don't doubt their existence, I just like seeing people realize their problems are closer to home than "Da Joos".

>>23378125
Dude, you were just told it was pre-bubble burst. Although Angel Cop's last three episodes not releasing until 1994 does give you plausible deniability.

>>23378118
>You are taking a lot of what reccoa says at face value.
Because if I don't, then she has no agency in the story whatsoever and is just this massive purposeless drain on my patience to shill how big Scirocco's power level is.

>>23378037
No but anon don't you believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zeon though?

>>23378249
The preface of Welcome to the NHK literally talks about how you could still find "Evil Jewish Conspiracy" books in regular bookstores and that was published in 2005.
Turns out, dumb shit persists through the ages.

>>23378361
I don't speak Japanese. How the hell am I supposed to know what's written in a light novel?

>>23374651
Extremely realisic

>>23378085
>Literal "Ukrainian" Jewish Miss Japan
>Promoting mass immigration in Japan
Nah everyone is on them
>The Plaza Accord

>>23378085
>not evil Zionists manipulating world politics against them.
I mean on again off again...though the israeli embassy is not really that much worse in the whole pushing japanese domestic policy (Funding demonstrations and such) than European embassies. Though US jews do get a bit more pushy, Rahm Emmanuel and such.

>>23378262
The whole point is that she's being used nigga. Her death reveals why she was easy to manipulate. Kamilles speech to scirocco at the end involves him killing Scirocco with said women he used.

>>23378262
>the woman who's whole point is her prioritizing her agency over the well-being of others has no agency if I think about her words for more than 2 seconds
You're retarded

>>23374651
And her reward was getting a cushy position within Anaheim. I'm sure Om sent her a Christmas card every year as thanks.

>>23379682
I already figured that out from Sarah and Sidally all the way back in episode 22.

>>23376346
>how did the best MS pilot in the Earth sphere wreck Char's lackey?

what a fucking braindead hack

>>23380950
I think he just meant Gyunei isn't supposed to be an easy opponent. So if the way Amuro killed him was explained, then more point for mcwank that's it

>>23381585
Amuro almost kills Gyunei at the start of the movie lol. In the RE-GZ too. Amuro was punking the best of zeon as a teenager. The incel never had a chance

>>23382140
Um acktually Geara Dogas are shit and Jagd Dogas are way stronger thanks to being psycommu MSs.

>>23381585
You just chalk it up to CCA being to long to be a movie, same with F91 in that regard as aswell, were as F91 should have been a full series, CCA should have probably been a movie trilogy, a movie foe each asteroid drop. That way a character Like Gyunei gets more context and story put into him.

>>23382294
>CCA being to long to be a movie,
if you're a brainlet

>a movie for each asteroid drop
yawn

>Gyunei gets more context and story
NO. It's literally just Katz and Sarah why would you want this????

>>23382495
>NO. It's literally just Katz and Sarah why would you want this????
So they arent Katz and Sarah, because the issue with those to is that they were being fitted into the plot well after so much has kicked offed so they become afterthoughts. With Gyunei who's been hyped up from the start of CCA, i would like for there to be more context for him because he's literally one of the only niggas in Zeon questioning Char doing retarded shit and is shown to have perspective of Char not being as impressive as everyone claims he his. I would like for that perspective of him to amount more than just jealous inceldom and pedophile accusations.

>>23382515
To add to this Amuro shouldn't have killed Gyunei, Hathaway should've. He had more beef with him as he was also simping for Quess, and Hathaway's flash happens because he's STILL simping for Quess. CCA Being a movie trilogy would have did Hathaway more of a service in Character development.

>>23382597
That's literally why the books exist.

>>23382495
>why would you want this????
Would you believe if I tell you Gyunei would appeal to women? I mean it, he's unpopular in japan as well but from time to time I still see some women commented that he's adorable more than western side. He's cute otouto type. If you give him more screentime, you can attract more female fans to spend money. What, don't you want those sweet money from women?

>>23378361
>After coming out from the bunker, the JIDF return back to posting on 4chan about how they were being unjustly "misunderstood", or how anyone who disagree with israel is painted as an evil conspiracy theorist by "them".

>>23383405
Can you give me a list of incidents where Israel specifically turned a Japanese man into a hikkikomori?

>>23374686
They're one of my favourite things in mecha.
>Here's your advanced new human beings, born with incredible potential for superhuman abilities.
>Lol we cooked one up in a lab, acts like a crackhead, but we've got more when this one burns out.
Just perfect S tier bastardry.

>>23383539
>acts like a crackhead
And then moon gundam turned them into literal crackheads, with the drug cocktails using cocaine in the formula and large amounts of crack inducing similar effects when taken in constant low doses over long periods of time.

>>23383579
I don't necessarily hate the idea of them being drug dependant, whether as part of the process or just as a control measure. There's a bit of that going on with Four's headaches and need for meds, I just prefer it when it's a load of surgery and implants too.

>>23383597
Don't forget the injection of amuro genes.

>>23382764
I was actually thinking the other day that Gyunei might actually have some dedicated yumes. It's sad that the only peer he could find in entire Neo Zeon is goddamn Quess.

This pill gobbler got a happy ending.

>>23383607
That's where they fucked up.
You need the genes AND part of their force ghost for it to work properly.

>watching Victory
>wow this chronicle is a pathetic little bitch
>maybe his sister likes him at least
>nope, his sister shit talks him
>his lover only loves him because he's a good little white knight simp
Victory's women are hilarious.

>>23382515
>one of the only niggas in Zeon questioning Char doing retarded shit
It doesn't help that Gyunei is retarded himself, he couldn't possibly replace Char, nobody could. Char IS Zeon at that point.

>>23382515
Gyunei doesn't even question Char, he's just seething about Quess. He makes all sorts of random, fake accusations and a small amount are partially correct.

>>23385583
Everyone made assumptions about Char in CCA, only small amounts are partially correct

>>23385590
Yeah but in most cased they were trying to figure out his motives, Gyunei was mad that his waifu wanted the Big Bajeena Cock.

>>23385583
Considering Gyunei says he become a Cyber Newtype because he thought it would let him restrain Char if he tried to go too far it's pretty clear he disliked him before Quess ever came into the picture

Does anybody have the Amuro Genes pic? I think I have it but my Gundam folder is almost 800 images and I havent made coffee yet.

>>23385590
They all knew about his Lalah issues at least

>>23385623
True but he actually just had delusions of grandeur like Katz and Hathaway. Char needed to correct him.

>>23385601
>Yes, hello. This is Char Aznable, leader of Neo Zeon and the guy who literally dropped a nuclear propelled asteroid on top of the Federation's new base. I would like to buy Axis for several briefcases of gold, please. In exchange, I'll send my whole fleet to Luna II for decommissioning.
Oh, just as a refresher, Luna II is where all the Federations nukes are kept, yes? AND Axis is still capable of moving around with its thrusters, right? Juuuust wondering. Love you, bye.

The fact that the only person in the room who was able to get the round peg through the circle was Cameron Bloom ought to tell you that most of the principal cast shares the same two brain-cells.

>>23385601
>Yes, hello. This is Char Aznable, leader of Neo Zeon and the guy who literally dropped a nuclear propelled asteroid on top of the Federation's new base. I would like to buy Axis for several briefcases of gold, please. In exchange, I'll send my whole fleet to Luna II for decommissioning.
>Oh, just as a refresher, Luna II is where all the Federations nukes are kept, yes? AND Axis is still capable of moving around with its thrusters, right? Juuuust wondering. Love you, bye.

The fact that the only person in the room who was able to get the round peg through the circle was Cameron Bloom ought to tell you that most of the principal cast shares the same two brain-cells.

>>23385626
Here

>>23385936
Char barely said anything in that meeting

>>23386243
Pretty sure its a joke about how obvious it was that Char planning to steal nukes and drop Axis on Earth.

>>23385802
>Char needed to correct him
>Char
Char is the biggest "brat" among the bunch, as if he's in any position to correct the kids

>>23386451
Fuck slapping, Gyunei needed a spanking.

>>23386462
He did get slap from Nanai in beltorchika's children, it only made him resent Char and Nanai more. Gyunei's not that hard to tame, actually care for him and he would be loyal to that person, no need to inflict violence on him

>>23374486 (OP)
>Also where is this "the woman question" essay Tomino wrote?
It got too long so he turned it into an anime called Brain Powerd

>>23375606
Whomst've?

Oh wait, is this the "woman question" essay? The part where he says women can't betray people if they're following their heart?

>>23386237
I like how it just says samples like they collected it from his bunk after he saw Matilda.

>>23374544
>>23374486 (OP)
Cybernewtpyes are symbolism or for people being brainwashed by fascist propaganda and being impotently destructive to both their friends and enemies.

Newtypism is symbolism for understanding the opposing side by meeting them

>>23376346
It's meant to be unceremonious because he died for nothing.

>>23387227
While I can see why someone could read this and think all sorts of bio-essentialism stuff, this sounds more like Tomino is saying "Women won't just keep on to the bitter end out of duty or honor when its absolutely obvious that they're losing or doing the wrong thing. And since men WILL do that, they assume a woman bailing is her 'betraying' them."
You also have to remember that Tomino likes tough, decisive women. His process for casting VAs for his main character's love interests was to see if during a love scene, they would do the "Kyaaaa, noooo!" cutesy shit or grab a guy by the dick and demand he beat her pussy into submission. If they did the former, they weren't cast.

>>23388313
You're forgetting that the bulk of UC fans dismiss everything to do with Newtypes as just Magic Jedi nonsense instead of actually meaning something.
Everyone knows that Amuro accidentally kills Lalah and he and Char cry about it. WAY fewer people acknowledge what she and Amuro are talking about before and during that moment.

The fact that Axis Shock is still treating like a complete mystery metatexually is maddening.

>>23393484
>His process for casting VAs for his main character's love interests was to see if during a love scene, they would do the "Kyaaaa, noooo!" cutesy shit or grab a guy by the dick and demand he beat her pussy into submission. If they did the former, they weren't cast.

Listen, after awhile, there comes a point where you just can't portray Tomino as the sleezy misoganistic visionary without sourcing this shit.

>>23393517
From the same CCA Fanbook the other stuff comes from.

>>23393528
CCA made go full mask off sometimes

>>23393528
what did he say here that's so bad i don't get it

>>23374486 (OP)
uhhhhhh gates capo was a cyber newtype, albeit not batshit insane like every other one? Also Iron Cuck from F91 was a cyber made by tomino, although i suppose you could argue that he was already over this weird /r9k/ phase you're describing by then.

>>23393898
Tomino is way too horny. If you've read Secret Rendezvous, every other page is him writing about how Amuro jacks off all the time because he sees every lady he meets as his mother.

>>23394021
He also seemed to be a weak newtype, and an average-ish pilot

If he was a cyber-newtype test subject, he might have been an early one when the procedures weren't so invasive, or a soldier who volunteered for it but ended up being a dead end for research due to lack of potential or something, so he ended up being a tard-wrangler for the rest of the program's more promising test subjects that needed handlers to keep them in line

>>23394021
There's also Mashymre in ZZ but people like to pretend Tomino had nothing to do with that show for some reason.

Why are they CYBER anyway? What's so computer/virtual about them? Who greenlit that instead of Artificial Newtypes, or "Pseudtypes", if you will?

>>23394313
maybe some jap misheard it as "'psycho' newtype" and decided to run with it since "cy" sounds like "psy" and they already stick "psy" in front of everything (psycommu, psycho gundam, later we have psycho frame)

>>23393898
What he said he is that it's actually too unrealistic of a reaction for girls to just be moaning a immediately at the touch of a man and that would piss him. So it's part him being horny more so him demanding that they deliver more belivable responses and reactions.

I'd say that's kinda fair because around that time women VA were mostly coached to have like 4 types of personalities.

>>23394313
>>23394363
‘Cybernetics’ originally referred to a niche field studying the flow of information and feedback within systems. Not just electronic systems, but everything from economics to biology to culture to ecology and so on. It’s weird, high concept stuff. As you can imagine, it was an influential field back when the first attempts to figure out how to integrate computers into human society were being made, so the term ‘cyber’ became heavily associated with computers.

Anyways, I think the use of the term ‘cyber’ in this case is appropriate. Y’know, because alterations have been made to their bodies to make them more able to process information and to interface with technology, while also themselves being subjected to systems of control. Multifaceted meanings and whatnot.

>>23387227
He is saying that it's not betrayal because women are flaky by nature and shouldn't be trusted to begin with. It's expected behavior from them. Betrayal implies that there is a sort of loyalty but that trait only exists in men. Men foolishly project that trait on women when actuality women are self serving and only stick around so long as it serves their needs. The second she thinks she can get a better deal she bounces, Reccoa being a perfect example. Char wasn't giving her what she needed so she swapped sides to someone who would.

>>23394313
some japanese guy in the 80s opened an english thesaurus and saw that
cyber <=> virtual <=> almost
and he did not understand that 'virtual' and 'cyber' are only synonyms within the context of computer simulations.

anyways, X and g-cucks both call them artificial newtypes so there's that.

>>23394041
Same thing in Gaea Gear. Char Clone 9000 spends every waking moment not being the universe's greatest pilot jerking off to porn.

>>23394313
My understanding of it when I was first introduced to the concept through Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 was something along the lines of people with an insufficient but present compatibility Psycommu-derived technologies were implanted with various cybernetic implants in their nervous system that heightened all their senses to the absolute extreme to the draw the most out of their potential. The side effect of that being that they're mentally unstable from the constant overstimulation and tended to have extreme reactions and turbulent personalities.

That was never really based on anything but my vague understanding of what the concept was supposed to be, but watching the series afterward I never really got anything DIS-proving that shown to me so it stuck in my brain.

>>23394428
He specifically says that women aren't like that in matriarchal societies and this is solely a by-product of women having to protect themselves in patriarchal societies, though. It's literally the next thing he says after that. He's not the /r9k/ ricecel people claim he is.

>>23394742
Yeah, Tomino doesn't hate women, he just doesn't make them out to be something they aren't. Highlighting any negative trait has become taboo these days and if you don't pretend that women are the same as men you get labeled with ists and isms.

Ok but here is the Zeta football video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XN4aUwfCnuA

>>23394313
According to Mark Simmons, Sunrise told translators they wanted artificial newtypes translated in a grandiose manner, and came up with "cyber newtypes." It's not deeper than that. In fact a couple of series imply the process of creating cyber newtypes is completely analog, no digital or "cybernetic" involvement.

>>23374486 (OP)
>Also where is this "the woman question" essay Tomino wrote?
It's the bit where he talks about what Nanai's pussy looks like. Look it up, it's a fun read.

>>23394408
Tomino tends to dislike traditional female VAs in general, he gets a lot of nobodies to fill female roles and I remember him shitting on movie Fa and Aida's VAs a lot

>>23395238
>Anno there beside Tomino nodding his head vigorously

>>23395260
>Fa
Quite the pressure for worst girl

>>23395454
Do you really need to be a gigantic faggot in every thread?

>>23395260
>Tomino tends to dislike traditional female VAs in general,
That sounds like bullshit, just watching the female cast of G-Reco. Like he cast Yukari Fukui, one of the seiyuu with one of the most animesque voices.

>>23396214
I mean he did get her to voice a braindead retard

>>23374486 (OP)
>Women take charge
>Send UC to a dark age where a caste of people are chosen to become Onions green
What did Tomino mean by this?

>>23394683
Cyber(metrics) comes from the greek Kubernetikos which means to govern well. Cyber Newtypes are regulated new types. The name is actually quite appropriate

>>23398139
How many colonies got blown up and how many asteroids got dropped in the span of 20 years? If's amazing there's enough men left to even get anyone pregnant, let alone actually run anything.