So Char has such plot armor and Lalah has been overhyped so much that Char dying early literally erases that timeline and creates new ones?

Man, does the OYW or anything even matter? The universe feels so small. Did any of the ships defending themselves against Elmeth ever have a chance? Are those soldiers destined to die always, and its not important since they don't make Lalah wet?

I've been told GquuuuuX is good, but I went ahead and looked up the premise and man this is such fanwankery and makes everything feel so unimportant.

apparently amuro didn't even matter. all the people he took out like dozle are gone anyway. char never chases the gundam to earth so garma being missing happens anyway. everything in og was pointless and stupid I guess and everything amuro did was going to happen anyway so he is an entirely useless character.

>>23384034 (OP)
i appreciate that at least they made it clear at the end that Lalah's UC isn't *the* UC so I don't have to think about this trash when I'm watching better Gundam series.

>I've been told GquuuuuX is good, but I went ahead and looked up the premise and man this is such fanwankery and makes everything feel so unimportant.
it has its moments, the 1.5 eps of alt-UC were fun. The first half-cour is dominated by a stupid "duel of the week" story like WfM did but it has its occasional moments of glory like my new favorite MILF. It peaks halfway through when the Titans briefly show up, which is the only legitimately impressive fight in the whole show.

I cannot overstate how much of a travesty duel-of-the-week is both this Gundam and WfM. It's an utter lack of respect that the creators have for /m/echa, like they wanted to write a different story and they don't know how to include the robots in that so they just invent an arbitrary tournament where kids are encouraged to fight to the death and wreak massive collateral damage for a comparably insignificant prize (bitchass wife who hates you in WfM, a little spending money which barely covers MS maintenance in GQX).

I'm re-watching IBO the last couple of weeks, and one of things that struck me is that there are entire episodes with no fights. I didn't even remember that from having watched it previously; all i remember is that the fights which did happen were significant to the plot, they were well-animated and the stakes were such that not fighting was never a viable option for tekkadan. And IBO doesn't even make my top five favorite gundam series, but it comes off as an absolute work of renaissance art when I watch it right after GQX.

>>23384173
After these last two, I also take back a lot of complaints about IBO. I still think it could have been faster paced, and they could have definitely cut out the repeat "long lost brother" arc, but when fights happened, they were necessary.

>>23384108
Yeah that makes me unabashedly angry.

If Lalah gets sent to any of the AUs? Would she latch onto any of the Char clones like Zechs or Rau?

>>23384108
He doesn't matter because he is Canadian.

>>23384173
We got dumbass multiverse though, and not like a timeloop like Turn A but actual fucking Marvel/DC tier Multiverse.
UC 616 vs UC 120010 bullshit.
And all of it around Lalah.

I feel so bad for Amuro. He spent his entire life after the OYW trying to escape her, and every relationship he had after (Sayla, Beltorchika, Chan) fail because of Char shit over Lalah or Lalah haunting his dreams. Then dies before 30 stopping Lalah's stupid ass boyfriend who wanted her to mother him instead of be a partner wanted to plunge the earth into nuclear winter.

>>23384419
Everything bad that happened in UC is Lalah's fault.

I enjoyed watching the show on a weekly basis but the further away I get from the show ending the more of a bitter taste I find it left.

you didnt get the memo in literally nausicaa?? this was always the way with Aura Power.

>ngmi

I thought Lalah was one of the lamest parts of MSG and was glad she died to not be obnoxious during the A Baoa Qu battle. Does Japan really like her as a character that much or is this some proto-waifu that boomers had?

>>23385748
I like her because I think in 79 she got exactly as much screentime as needed. I agree though that keeping her as a plot point nearly 50 years later is insane

>>23384173
>they were well-animated
One of the complaints when the show was airing was how bad the fights looked. People used to repost that .gif of Barbartos t-posing through space.

>>23385748
I think she resonated with certain boomers like Anno tsurunaki and Enkoido but it's clear from SRW and UC Engage more boomers likes him to be a power couple with Haman.

>>23384108
Amuro is, at the very least, important in the sense that Char getting the Gundam instead of him caused Zeon to win the OYW.

>>23384108
>>23384391
Retard,

>>23384173
>i appreciate that at least they made it clear at the end that Lalah's UC isn't *the* UC
That isn't stopping the reddit consoomers and G-Bitch tourists from pushing that retarded narrative though. It's annoying when you're talking Gundam somewhere and they start breaking into comic book multiverse theory

I hate the idea of "If Amuro wasn't there then Zeon would have won cuz Char is so le hecking OP!" as if we didn't have several other feddy pilots that would mop the floor with him.

>>23386160
Also it was named
>The Trojan Horse
For a fucking reason. It didn't win the war. It was a diversion. Them focusing on it helped.
But even remove the Trojan Horse, they had Ground Gundams and GMs already, and Guncannons. Base GM may not have had as much Battle Data to go on, but they still had the industry and the tech to defeat Zeon without White Base.
Aces don't decide wars, they help decide battles maybe, but wars are decided by industrial might and without the knockout blow in Operation British or Jaburo Invasion Feddies had it, was always the case.

>>23386236
they did not have gms already get the fuck out of here with that origin shit or whatever

>>23386240
Ground Combat GMs are canon as of 08th MS team. Using the same parts as Gundam Grounds.
Including Luna Titanium. Lower generator output etc. They've retconned Ground GMs to being closer to Gundam Gs than regular GMs, but its UC canon, not an alt timeline.

>this timeline isn't canon and will never be!!!
>but it makes me so fucking furious that they changed X and Y!!!!
what causes this behavior?

>>23386253
It is canon, in the multiverse.
Because that's a thing now.
And the lynchpin in every universe is Char and Lalah. If Char dies first, the universe literally resets.
Mainline UC fits into that just fine, Lalah died first, no universe reset. Still doesn't change Lalah and Char being the two most central characters to your timeline getting to exist or not.
Fucking Marvel tier bullshit.

Maybe someone else already said it but: on the Lalah flashbacks, Sayla isn't piloting the Core Booster but the G-Fighter. So the multiverse stuff is happening on the TV series, while the Movie trilogy is the "canon" version that goes on unto Zeta, ZZ, CCA and etc.

>>23386279
wow just like deadpool 3!!! omg i love gqux now :3

>>23386099
>it's clear from SRW and UC Engage more boomers likes him to be a power couple with Haman.
Tbf, Haman has 2 series showing off how much she wants Char to be a part of her life (hell, the first time she senses Judau, she mistakes him for Char). So I can't say I blame them.

>>23386236
You made all of that shit in your mind, which proves your ignorance on the subject matter.
"Trojan Horse" is a dumb name that Mark Simmons came up with to translate "木馬" (mokuba), which means "rocking wooden horse". You know, like the children's toy. The idea that the name is correlated to the concept of it being a distraction doesn't exist in the original script.

>>23384173
>It's an utter lack of respect that the creators have for /m/echa, like they wanted to write a different story and they don't know how to include the robots in that so they just invent an arbitrary tournament where kids are encouraged to fight to the death and wreak massive collateral damage for a comparably insignificant prize
It's the other way around. In either case, the creators wanted to make a proper war story, but Bandai got an easy cash cow in the 2000s with the Build series, so they forced an unnecessary "tournament arc" in both, since that is the element that makes executives feel like it's a safe investment.

>>23388151
木馬 literally just means wooden horse. You'll never guess what they call the Trojan Horse

>>23388265
The term literally means "wooden horse", but it doesn't just mean "a horse that happens to be made out of wood", but rather refers specifically to the children's toy.
Which makes sense, since it was an insulting nickname that the Clover executives gave to the White Base's original design when Sunrise presented it to them.

In any case, the name has nothing to do with the mythology of the Trojan Horse or the ship's role in the story.

>>23388285
The third definition is the best one. I fucking love wooden horses. Especially when the edge is bladed.

>>23384108
My biggest disappointment is how they botched Zeon winning. 0079 makes it very clear in the last quarter of the series that Gihren is a massive threat to humanity that needs to be stopped NOW. However, in the timeline where Zeon wins, he does nothing for a few years before getting offed like a chump in a poison gas attack.

Meanwhile, Kycilia decides to build a doomsday weapon to destroy Earth for...reasons, when 0079 never suggested she would do something like that.

>>23388073
Eh, all the Newtypes seem to think any other NT they sense is their mega connection at first.
Char with Kamille thinking it's Amuro for instance.
Both Haman and Char quickly realize it's not after a second. It's just who they focus on.

In Haman's defense, she seemed to get over Char pretty early in ZZ and want Judau for herself.

>>23388307
>0079 makes it very clear in the last quarter of the series that Gihren is a massive threat to humanity that needs to be stopped NOW.
You could make the argument that Zeon didn't have the strength to put Gihren's designs for the Earth sphere in practice. Remember that, just like in the original, they had been kicked out of Earth and lost a good chunk of their forces during the Battle of Solomon.

>when 0079 never suggested she would do something like that.
She was evolving as a Newtype, which meant taking the responsibility of "human reform" into her own hands. Which eventually happens to Char.

>>23388151
>he's really arguing against 40 year old lore

Jesus christ...

>>23388340
>she seemed to get over Char pretty early in ZZ and want Judau for herself.
That's mostly because she's more focused on making her vision of Zeon work, to think about Char for the most part. As for Judau, Haman Karn's thing is that she likes controlling other newtypes in that series, as seen with Mashymre Cello and Chara Soon. Judau was another one she wanted to add to that list. There's also the thing where he's one of the few people who made her feel real fear at one point in the series. Plus, they also got that "Newtype connection" going on where some Newtypes are just drawn to each other for whatever reason.

>>23388285
>a horse that happens to be made out of wood
yea it does lmao. The toy part is just contextual in ordinary conversation. The Trojan Horse is just called トロイの木馬, literally the wooden horse of Troy. It depends on the context. and in the context of gundam, Tomino was playing around with Greek mythology naming. The White Base is just called the Pegasus II in his novelization.

>>23384034 (OP)
> The universe feels so small. Did any of the ships defending themselves against Elmeth ever have a chance? Are those soldiers destined to die always, and its not important since they don't make Lalah wet?
I hate that frame of Quax so goddamn much. You know what it means?

It's the ultimate "narou-kei"-fication of Gundam. Storytelling? Setting? None of that is important anymore, since a handful of main characters have the power to literally alter reality to their convenience. And the worst part is that I don't think Enokido even realized it when he was writing it.

It's amazing the shit people who didn't watch the show come up with.

>>23388436
"Trojan Horse" also just makes the most sense from a functional standpoint.
>The Trojan Horse is a giant horse shaped object that carries soldiers inside of it.
>The White Base is is a giant horse shaped object that carries soldiers [mobile suits] inside of it.

Rocking horse does communicate that imagery or intention

>>23388656
>>23388436
Nobody in Japan calls the White Base "Troy Horse". It's 100% westoid-invented nonsense with zero background from the source materials.

>>23384398
It's going to be really fun to see what shit they pull with GQuuuuux in super robot Wars

>>23384034 (OP)
>fanwankery
woah it's almost like it's an anniversary project
>I haven't watched Gquuux but I'm going to complain about it

>>23388665
i'm aware, but the translation isn't just an invention. It's a localization meant to capture the spirit of the naming. Because the actual name of the Trojan Horse, δούρειος ίππος, is believed by linguists to literally mean the "wooden horse" or "horse of wood" and just became synonymous with "Trojan" horse because of the prevalence of the myth. Of course, japan, who learned about the Trojan Horse through the west/US called it the Wooden Horse of Troy making the naming somewhat redundant. But really it boils down to mokuba = wooden horsen = trojan horse. Tomino's well-read and already independently associated the White Base with greek myth. It's not strange for a well-read localizer, like Mark Simmons, to come to this conclusion

>>23385748
It's just your typical "boomer-hippie-magic-waifu" every science fiction book from the 60's has one of this

>>23384173
>I'm re-watching IBO the last couple of weeks, and one of things that struck me is that there are entire episodes with no fight
This is the same deal with WFM, I don't think it is disrespectful to 'Mecha' when the point is that these rich kids don't understand the consequences and actual threat of MS piloting until it comes to bite them in the ass in S2

>>23388307
He was BUSY. Leave Gihren alone

>>23386279
Uh Char was always the main point of the UC timeline thanks to his "clones" like Full Frontal, Harry Ord, and Chronicle Asher. Then Gaia Gear literally does clone Char. Amuro only gets mentioned 1 more time with an AI of him being used against an AI of Char.

>>23390025
Harry is a Quattro clone. He pilots a gold MS and wears shades, not a mask. Chronicle's not a Char clone either, Uso fights him a few times but Chronicle doesn't even have custom colored MS for Uso to recognize as a recurring enemy rival. Also, he doesn't have a mask, he has a headsock like the one that Kycilia wears.

>>23386236
>>23386248
08th MS Team isn't canon to Siegaxe.

This why multiverses, and specifically "canon event" writing fucking sucks ass. Saying there's one bajillion different universes and the only thing that ever really matters in any of them is one mothercon and his obsession with lalah.

That doesn't expand the setting, it reduces it. It's literally chopping out parts and pushing them down and saying "none of that shit matters, it's literally just the bit that made me feel tingles in 1979 that matters". It's extremely obsessive and fanboy-minded.

>>23384034 (OP)
i wouldn't call 'dies in so many universes that either lalah has to die or amuro has to outright not be present for him to survive' plot amor, personally
in the context of 0079 itself sure it's basically saying that char surviving is the universe itself bending to let him live, but from a grander perspective that motherfucker's dying 99% of the time despite his skill as a pilot because amuro is just THAT good