What a fucking garbage manga

What the fuck were they thinking making this?

sorry wrong pic

>>23396029 (OP)
>What the fuck were they thinking making this?
They needed any type of content to fill the newly created and released Monthly Gundam Ace. Kitazume had enough cache as a character designer from ZZ to let him try his own approach to the characters. It's the same with Yasuhiko and the Origin manga.

>>23396029 (OP)
Teenage Haman in a short skirt and with bigger tits than as a grown up will sell figurines.

>>23396059
I'm not talking about that, I get the appeal of doing a gap filling manga set between original and Zeta around Char and Haman.

What I mean is the writing for the plot. Like everything about the Natalie character.

Them never having sex is INSANE. It makes zero sense.

>>23396075
haman being tilted that she was never char's first or even second choice sounds fine to me

>>23396029 (OP)
I am currently reading it (completed till volume 8).
It is a ride, I was not expecting fucking Mquve of all people in the beginning, wasn't he dead?
The first major battle near Axis is decent. Haman looks so ridiculous piloting a white Rick Dom. Her father is such a naive retard to just let Enzo faction continue their scheming.
The Axis getting hacked plotline was so goofy, it felt like a waste of time.
I wished they had avoided showing Lalah, Char is a (relatively) weak newtype and Zeta makes a point to tell that he can't feel her presence away from Earthsphere and is one of the reasons he returned.

>>23396029 (OP)
It's the one piece of non-Tomino Gundam media that truly manages to channel his spirit.

>>23396134
The M'Quve fight is missing from the MSG movie trilogy, only Char is present at Texas colony. CDA assumes that M'Quve is apparently still alive but busy elsewhere, so he ends up escorting the escape ship in CDA.

CDA Haman is very cute.

>>23396145
It's so funny, he shows for maybe four panels and then just dies in the first chapter itself.

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>>23396075
Kitazume is too in love with his headcannon of Char as a character that he couldn't let the real Char to have any moral flaws.

>>23396134
>>23396145
M'Quve dies differently in each retelling of the OYW
>TV: Texas colony
>Movies/CDA: A Boa A Qu
>Origin: Odessa

Idk I'm into it

>>23396029 (OP)
I liked it.

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>>23396115
>Heav'n has no rage, like love to hatred turn'd,
>Nor hell a fury, like a woman scorn'd.
This makes zero sense if like the woman wasn't in the running to begin with.

>>23396075
filtered

>>23396348
consider: incels

>>23396348
>This makes zero sense if like the woman wasn't in the running to begin with.
you know your quote is about a woman whose advances were rejected because the man she wanted was already married and was loyal to his wife, right?

haman THINKS she's in the running but despite being a newtype she never caught on that char never had interest in her. the natalie pregnancy subplot in CDA also breaks haman's heart, but she blames natalie solely for it as if char didn't choose to be with natalie

later at the end of zeta, even in the middle of fighting each other, somehow haman thinks she can still ask char to rejoin her as the fight is no big deal. it's sorta fucking insane that the fight wasn't somehow proof that the idea of them being together is impossible because char wants nothing to do with it.

>>23396273
I can't "like what I like", because Encounters In Space has a DYRL-like effect that erased the original Gundam show from continuity. Why the fuck did I watch that show if nobody else at Sunrise did?

All CDA haters are just derranged Hamanfags.

They really think Haman was a manipulative evil bitch from the start amd doesn't get that this is her story origin. What Kitazume shows here will shape her appearance in Zeta/Define.

Char is perfect im this series too. A shell of a man who doesn't know what to do and is lost in life.

Those talks with Haman's father were the best in CDA, really showcases the empty man that Char is

Young Haman was hot.

>>23396434
>DYRL-like effect
ain't macross one of those things where any version of the stories are equally legit because they're all a bunch of dramatized retellings of historical events in their universe?

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>>23396721
Natalie is a terrible character and the embodiment of a OC donut steel. Her mere presence puts CDA in the level of fanfiction.

>>23396761
Designs and units in future entries are mostly taken from DYRL not the tv series, that's probably what he's referencing. I don't think they ever referenced any DYRL exclusive plot points though.

>>23396807
>I don't think they ever referenced any DYRL exclusive plot points though.
Zentraedi women being called "Meltran" and getting treated as a separate entity from Zentraedi men is exclusively from DYRL.

>>23396029 (OP)
I read the Manga. It's an interesting idea of trying to fill in the gaps of what Char was doing between 0080 and 0086. I enjoyed seeing mobile suit development at Axis. The best parts of the Manga were seeing Char explore the Post-OYW as the Titans rise to power.

The main problem I found was that most of the characters on Axis were simply bland or too one-dimensional. They lack charisma and are just walking tropes. Le evil Admiral. Le evil mastermind. Etc. The worst part of the manga was the politics at Axis and all the political backstabbing. The writer wasn't good enough to make it interesting. None of the characters were good enough to make me, as a reader, care about who wins the political game.

Based on the anime, I thought Haman and Char had some sort of previous relationship where it ended badly. But this manga does the opposite. Apparently Char hates Haman because...Haman had a fight with her older friend? So they weren't on good terms. And this older friend had sex with Char one night because older friend was stressed out and wanted relief. She threw herself naked at Char, and Char was like "lol whatever. Free sex."

This friend gets pregnant. Char doesn't know about it. Haman hates her friend for sleeping with her Char crush. Then the friend dies in an accident, and Char finds out later she was pregnant. Char blames teen Haman. Even though Haman has been a generally good and nice the entire Manga. This one incident made Char think Haman was evil and irredeemable. Even though Haman is just young teen kid and a sweet kind girl. So Char leaves Axis to go scout Earth and join AEUG.

This whole thing felt like a drama or soap opera. It was too much. Like the author didn't want to commit to Haman actually having a relationship with Char like the anime does.

I also don't understand why Char takes anyone at Axis seriously. They are all a bunch of teens and kids. Char is one of the few actual surviving leaders of the One Year War at Axis.

>>23396908
This sounds like a Korean drama.

>>23396910
That's a good way of describing it.

That's definitely how I felt when reading this manga (besides the mecha battles).

>>23396273
Those aren't contradictions, that's clearly different canon. Different things have different events when they're not trying to write the same story.

>>23396908
>The main problem I found was that most of the characters on Axis were simply bland or too one-dimensional. They lack charisma and are just walking tropes.
Yeah, I couldn't finish the manga so I never got to the soap opera shit but this was my biggest issue.
The story that I braved through were basically Char (who Kitazuma somehow managed to turn into a boring, personality-devoid mary sue wanker) beating up random cardboard cutout villains. I'm a Charfag and even I just couldn't care less.
And this is a prequel so you know that these villains can't really achieve anything, that certain characters are protected etc.

>>23396134
Innocent Haman is so fucking CUTE

>>23396857
They don't ever reference they were actually in a war against each other though, right? It's just reusing the name.

>>23397232
she is

How would YOU write their relationship?

It seems like they wanted Char to take responsibility for Zeon on Axis, he wasn't ready to lead shit, so he hit it and then dipped.

>>23396036
Imagine being so far off the mark. How far up your own ass did you have to reach for that shit?

>the best gundam manga to come out in the past five years is about office ladies
Can we actually take a step back and talk about how we got to this point?

>>23396029 (OP)
I'm aware of the events of this manga but haven't read it myself, so bear this in mind. That being said though, I felt that the anime perfectly explained Char and Haman's past. I think the author of CDA just autistically wanted to protect the idea of Haman's theoretical virginity, which the anime leaves open to interpretation anyways. We are told more than enough to establish that Char and Haman had a relationship that went sideways in between 0079 and Zeta, and Char himself adequately explains that it didn't work out because he was with Haman enough to figure out that she was messed up on the inside and he didn't want apart of that(which is ironic desu given how empty Char himself is). Haman didn't understand why Char didn't like her and why he left her, and thus became somewhat obsessed with him after the fact. CDA does gymnastics to avoid literally anything that was already explained to us plainly in the anime and concoct an elaborate insane story filled with OC donut steel characters just to explain why Char and Haman don't like each other. It also makes the iconic picture of them together virtually meaningless with its needlessly complicated drama.

tl;dr the anime did it in a better and more graceful way that is open ended but also specific enough to give the viewer an idea of what went down. CDA is just drama gymnastics for no reason. The definition of making something more complicated than it needed to be

>>23397400
I love Char and Haman together, and the fact that this manga came up with the most convoluted way to show that they were never actually together is just wild to me. Their lack of a real relationship makes Haman look petty and entitled, and it makes Char look like he doesn't just manipulate young Newtype women all the time.

>>23397240
It's still an indication that I watched SDF for nothing.

>>23397377
People try to hard to fill the void in the UC timeline. I don't think they even bother to writting mangas about AU anymore.

>>23397421
>I don't think they even bother to writting mangas about AU anymore.
The best time to release AU manga is when the AU is still recent to capitalize on interest in that setting, otherwise stuff can release years later for nostalgia reasons. That said, we have the new AU manga Gundam 8 that just started recently, and a G Gundam novel was announced a few months ago. There's yet another fucking Astray manga ongoing.

>>23397421
Gquuuuux not getting a side-story manga is.more likely due to Khara's creative control over that. I'd be surprised if the new AU doesn't have one.

>>23397356
>How would YOU write their relationship?
>It seems like they wanted Char to take responsibility for Zeon on Axis, he wasn't ready to lead shit, so he hit it and then dipped.


I don't know why the Japanese make it so complicated. It's simple.

1. Have Char meet Haman on Axis after the end of the OYW.

2. She's roughly the same age as him. Char and Haman start a relationship.

3. Char wants to try to be a leader and to reform Zeon to be more peaceful. Haman is a good woman initially and supports him.

4. But then Haman gets a taste of power, and she likes it. Her lust for power keeps growing over the years.

5. Char's efforts to lead and reform Zeon fail because of Haman blocking him. Char discovers her true nature, and her lust for power and domination.

6. Their relationship falls apart, and Char leaves Axis in disgust. He completely gives up on leading and reforming Zeon.

7. Char joins AEUG.
Relatively simple storyline. We don't need this Korean drama soap opera bullshit about Char's lost baby and other nonsense.


It also explains why Char is so against being a political leader in the AEUG and just wants to be a pilot. Char tried it and is sick of leadership.

It also explains why Char was so disgusted with Axis Zeon when they arrived. They are everything in tried to stand against and Haman ruined it all. It's also why he's so hostile to Haman.

>>23397486
>She's roughly the same age as him
Char and Haman were 27 and 20 respectively, in Zeta.

>>23397489
And? Just change it so Haman is slightly older.

One of the issues in the CDA Manga is that Haman is too young. And its why Char doesn't pursue her. He thinks of her as just a little sister figure for a while.

If she were slightly older then a relationship would make more sense.

>>23397497
>make a prequel by retconning the work its a prequel of
Fuck off

>>23397447
There is no G Gundam novel coming.

You haven't seen NOTHING yet in Zeta Defined

>>23397503
>>23397489
Is Char or Haman's age ever directly stated in the anime? Or are you just an inflexible databook nerd?

>>23397497
but then you ruin haman and judau having the same age gap as haman and char

>>23396799

Her entire point was an abortion joke

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>>23397525
And then she died

>>23397497
>implying that this age gap would prevent Char from tapping that
I guarantee you he took one look at her, though about Lalah for two seconds, and was like "ok I can work with this." It wasn't till after that he realized that Haman has a black hole for a soul just like him and staring into a mirror freaked him out so he dipped

>>23397400
You're leaving out as well, Char's own role in messing people up. Its not a coincidence that Haman exists in the same setting as Reccoa, another character who wanted more from Char, and the intro of the former being essentially the last straw for the latter's actions in leaving as it serves for her to finally realize what kind of person Char really is.

Char is not a reliable narrator because in his mind, he really doesn't see his actions in certain light. He says in that episode he has never betrayed anyone, and from his perspective he isn't lying despite the audience knowing otherwise. He made a judgment of Haman and it honestly didn't matter if he actually thought that or or was even right at the time, he can convince himself that it was the truth.

>>23397522
Oh yeah! I totally forgot that Haman was almost raped. It was stopped iirc. But then they didn't punish him for the attempted rape, and even tried to redeem him and turn him into a "good guy". This is like a bad Korean drama.

>>23397522
What is with the Japanese and rape?

I mean I'm not a prude or anything but almost every Gundam novel has rape in it.

And it's almost always Zeon Women getting raped, or the Federation raping civilians.

I don't think Zeon ever rapes in the manga and novels.

But yeah...this is a lot of rape in Gundam.

>>23397506
Oh damn, did it get canceled?

>>23397528
man you skipped the part where haman delivers revenge on natalie by way of ugly bastard hentai man

>>23397512
At that point you might as well just headcanon anything you didn't like about the show, enjoy your cognitive dissonance when talking about it with other people

>>23397572
There never was one announced.

>>23397614
Don't worry bro, I got you

https://www.g-gundam.net/sidestories/

>>23397634
Bitch that finished last fucking year.

>>23397634
Not a novel. It's a script.

>>23397636
No, last publish date was February of this year.

>>23397640
Don't say script, that implies it's to be adapted to a visual medium. It's a web novel, which is to say it's a tiny project. It couldn't even be considered a light novel.

>>23397654
It's a fucking script you ignorant monkey. A script does NOT mean adaptation. Fuck do you not know how anything works? The g Gundam official books even say FUCKING SCRIPT. It's not a tiny project. It's 150 pages

>>23397665
Dude, you're being a bit hotheaded, just calm down. I mean, fuck me right? I'm sorry for calling it a web novel when it ALSO fits the description of that?

>The g Gundam official books
Which ones are these again?

>>23396029 (OP)
Are any if the gundam manga actually good

>>23397559
The Japanese know that rape makes the world go around. Rape is the key to everything.

>>23397711
Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, must be a duck. It's a script, jackass. The other anon is right. Whether it's posted online or not doesn't change the format. It's laid out like a god damn script so stop trying to jump through hoops to justify something it's clearly not.

>>23397713
No, and before anyone tries saying otherwise:

Crossbone, Thunderbolt, Origin all fucking suck. Everything is mediocre shit with zero to add to the universe.

I like that the Kampfer appeared and got to do shit.

>>23397732
The bar is so low that all the best Gundam manga end up being gag manga with zero mecha.

>>23397728
Okay, but I don't see the need to swear and call names. You're acting like your reputation is on the line.

>>23397753
NTA but anon, what did you expect here?

>>23397753
Aw, is an anon on the internet hurting you? Is someones widdle security blanket being violated? You're on 4chan you dumb cock knocker.

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>>23397546
Good character analysis right here. Weird how CDA makes everything so convoluted and gets everything just wrong.

>>23397737
OL Haman is so good though

>>23397764
It is literally perfect.

>>23397761
Char is a great character because he is so flawed. He is basically a huge part of why Haman became what she did and he'd sooner convince himself and believe that she was always like that than acknowledge he could have prevented it. Its why he pushed her away and entrenches her current self than reach out and try and fix his mistake, which ZZ showed was possible by Judau not fully rejecting her as someone beyond saving even if he did not agree with her actions.

>>23397767
Thank god it's getting canned from Gundam Ace soon. Monthly survey comments have been blasting it for months now.

>>23397509
picked up

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>>23397759
Pleasant talk means not acting like a nigger. I can only imagine how you are in real life..

>>23396273
>dies fleeing a baoa qu
Is that a CDA thing? I always just assumed he made it out on the Gwazine with Char at the end

>>23397808
I genuinely do not believe you.

>>23397843
He gets struck by ship cannon fire in the CDA version of events. If we're going by just the movies then he just doesn't appear at all at the end, no death, no life.

Is CDA even translated?

>>23397503
>He doesn't remember Haman's 0083 cameo.

>>23397866
as if that fixes anything

>>23397860
fully since maybe 10 years ago

>>23396029 (OP)

Luckily CDA is not canon to the events of Zeta TV or ANT. Its only relevance is to Zeta Defines events. As much as I hate Gatcha, UC Engage tells a far more proper version of what happened at Axis between Haman and Char.

author inserts too many of their own fetishes

>>23397881
UC Engage is fanfiction. It doesn't jive with established lore.

>>23397844
Cope for shit taste

>>23397860
How do you have zero clue?

>>23397873
It is funny as hell they didn't think about her age at all when doing this scene.

>>23397933
16 y.o. jailbait

>>23397356
>How would YOU write their relationship?
Char knocks up haman and they have 5 kids and then they rule zeon together and minerva gets to be their cool aunt.

>>23397911
>UC Engage is fanfiction. It doesn't jive with established lore.

Out of curiosity what contradictions are there? I hate the Glemy being mass cloned thing a lot and obviously the Char/Haman/Scirocco alliance in CCA is pure fanfiction but the events told from 0079's end to Zeta's beginning seems to flow fine in the game. Also have a Haman.

>>23397601
>At that point you might as well just headcanon anything you didn't like about the show, enjoy your cognitive dissonance when talking about it with other people
I only care about what's said in the anime. If Char and Haman's ages aren't mentioned, then it's not a big deal and other anon is correct. You seem to have forgotten that databooks are supposed to serve the anime. The anime does not serve the databooks.

>>23398216
Half the shit this board talks about aren't mentioned in the shows themselves I don't believe you

>>23398223
I really have no idea what Haman's age is in Zeta. Her voice actor sounds like a 45 year old woman. If you told me she was some scorned old lady chasing Char then I would believe it

>Half the shit this board talks about aren't mentioned in the shows themselves
Congrats. You finally realize databook writers are just making shit up. Maybe you should realize that nonsense like mobile suit weight and thrust don't matter either. The databooks say they weigh less than modern tanks. Yet the anime shows the MS crushing tanks by stepping on them.

>>23398228
way to miss the point, you sure know an awful lot for someone who doesn't care

>>23397713
people hype up crossbone like it's second coming of jesus but I couldn't get past chapter 1 due to its art.

The CDA Manga doesn't do a good job explaining why Axis wants to start another war with Earth. I say thar because every single leader who survived the OYW seems to be dead by the time of Zeta. All the new team leaders are just Young teens. So I don't get why these teens would care about "revenge" for Zeon losing the OYW. They were just babies and young children when it happened.

In conclusion, CDA is non-canon fanfiction which directly follows into the events of Zeta Define, a retelling of Zeta akin to the Origin.

Got it.

>>23398335
Because everyone who raised them raised them to. And it's not like the have any frame of reference to doubt them. If you raise a bunch of kids in isolation it's super easy to shape their beliefs. Sure a subsection will probably have doubts but by and large people don't question authority, especially when you give them an enemy to blame the shit parts of their life on.

>>23397528
Why does char drinking whiskey never work out?

>>23396273
>like what you like
thats good advice but aren't these events from different takes on the continuity?

>>23398366
It's nothing like the Origin. Define is telling an entirely different story.

>>23396434
>Why the fuck did I watch that show if nobody else at Sunrise did?

The TV show wasn't on home video until 1999 that's why. Plus it seemed like they wanted the movies to be the basis for everything up until then.

>>23396807
It's hard to even say when basically everything from Scrambled Valkyrie onward blends the TV show and DYRL without much thought. Both Plus and 7 have elements of both and the latter even reuses unmade scenes from DYRL (the Max and Millia wedding) while introducing its own version of events (Hikaru and Max meeting Britai and Exedol in their Valkyries). Frontier and Delta make it even more mushy and vague. And Zero seems dubious with how it would fit with the TV series even discounting the design changes.

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>>23398228
It surprises me that nobody pointed out that Char mentions that Haman has turned 20 at the start of Z Gundam.

I liked Kitazume as a simple illustrator and animator in his prime, but dang as a mangaka he's absolutely awful. That said, all those hamanfags still seething for CDA will never stop to amuse me. I wonder what kind of crazy shit he would come up with in an eventual ZZ define

>>23399009
Wasn't this cut from the Zeta movies? If so, then Tomino himself retconned her age to be ambiguous now.

>>23399034
What is this cope? Lmao. In all the official sources and the anime, Haman age is listed at 20-21.

>>23396273
change box for his stupid vase

>>23397497
What would a men with 4 pussies do?

>>23397767
what is this twitter tier garbage

>>23397853
why is Ryoma besides vase man

>>23399032
Is Haman closer in age to Judau than she is Char?
>>23398061
Glemy mass cloned with Puru is "canon" to Engage, but the CHar/Haman/Scirocco interaction in CCA etc are just "what if" events.
Its not "canon" to Engage, they do a ton of alt history type stories.
They just finished one that was SRW tier of F91 Seabook, Tobia, and Uso allied together.

>>23397559
Zeon never rapes because Zeon = Imperial Japan and they deny all warcrime accusations.

>>23399934
About the same difference. I'm not taking specific dates into account so I might be off a little, but in UC0088, Char was 28, Haman was 21, and Judau was 14.