Thread 23461870

I know they're supposed to look "real" but they don't. They're flimsy, overdesigned, and completely wreck the proportions of any mobile suit they portray. The pieces are so small for no reason. They don't even offer a wide enough range and are too small to justify their existence. Just why?

For Katoki to jerk himself off.

>>23461870 (OP)
The later ones eventually reached a point of '1/144 Master Grade', but many of the earlier ones are outdone by newer HGs. I think they were aiming for the niche of new builders/casuals that wanted something more premium than HG, but couldn't commit to MG.

>>23461870 (OP)
it's just their subtle way of downsizing MG's to 1/144 size to lower production costs while charging as much as they do on MG'a

>>23461870 (OP)
To make detailed 1/144 kits because most Japanese prefer 1/144 scale over 1/100.
But of course American hamhands wouldn't understand that.

>>23461871
So true. RGs are basically a not subtle way of katokifying everything

I like them because im a disgusting snapfag, HGs never look good unpainted and most MGs are too fragile

>>23461870 (OP)
Some of them (the RG Mk II) look really cool

>>23461960
>American hamhands
Rent free

>>23461870 (OP)
the biggest problem is that MG have become stagnant. still simple clamshell innerframe construction, no layered innerframe compared to contemporary RGs and PGs, poor parts/color separation.

the MGEX Strike Freedom should be like the standard for the layered innerframe construction for new MGs but MGs are still simple shit, right now, RG RX 78-2 has more parts count than your average modern MG

>realKINO filters another shitter
You know the drill.

>>23462552
I'd like RG more if they released more than one protag suit every couple years. Gimme a RG GN-X or something.

I like that most tend to have all the gimmicks you'd want. Like, the RG Impulse is the definitive 1/144 version of that machine. It's got it all without really needing part-swapping and it's still a really solid, sturdy model.

That being said, a lot of MS from newer shows are already a lot more detailed as far as their designs go. So, current HGs really do the trick for them. Like, what more detail would you really be able to add for an RG GQuuuuuuX (Just as an example) other than a proper core fighter or a head that actually transforms?

Some designs lend themselves well to the RG format though. Like most of Ebikawa's designs. Personally, I'd love to see more super robot RGs like GaoGaiGar and GoldyMarg. Surprised they haven't used any of GaoGaiGar's tooling to make GaoFighGar or GaoGaiGo or something.

>>23462599
>Surprised they haven't used any of GaoGaiGar's tooling to make GaoFighGar or GaoGaiGo or something.
Genesic GaoGaiGar plz!

>>23461878
I wish this were the case, because then we'd at least have more grunts in the RG line, but it's all Gundam and some rival suits.

>>23464137
;_;

>>23462586
>if they released more than one protag suit
That usually ends up being another Exia variant.

While the shortage of non-protagonist suits does annoy me, Real Grade tends to be my favorite line of kits.

>>23461870 (OP)
I hate RG
I fucking hate RG.
Bandai should've developed more MG instead of fucking tiny ass RG for tiny dick people.
GIVE ME MORE 1/100 BANDAI FUCK YOU

>>23464188
see:
>>23461960

>>23464152
What gets me is that stuff like a GM or Ground Gundam could even reuse a lot of engineering from the regular RX-78 kits. It wouldn't even be hard, relatively speaking. Funnily enough the lack of variety stops it from even feeling like a 'real' grade to me.
I get that hero suits will always sell the best but Bandai's been getting super averse to grunt stuff lately. It's a miracle that the WfM line had as many as it did, and it still got a bunch more locked on p-bandai.

Don't worry, China will upscale all those RGs.

>>23464173
or Unicorn variants.
or Strike/Ashtray/Freedom variants

>>23464198
I'm not sure I'd even want that. A lot of them suffer from detail for detail's sake, which is kind of impressive on a smaller kit but scaled up I think it'd stand out a lot more.
They often feel less like a Katoki redesign and more like a redesign by someone that's seen some ver ka box art and thinks they've got the gist.

I went to a hobby store yesterday to buy chinese kits (Alkaid Pink & Apocalypse) and found this on the display. They're just so tiny... disgusting.

>>23464208
The fuck is with the posing?

>>23461878
This pretty much. It's a way to phase out MGs.

HG quality keeps evolving, they should focus on it with more color separation and inner parts without overdesigning and overpricing like the RG.

>>23461871
Katoki doesn't even touch RG's, they're all BEE-CRAFT.

>>23462599
>Like, what more detail would you really be able to add for an RG GQuuuuuuX
People always say this. When the MG Vidar got announced people cried that we already had the FM but when you compare them it's a night and day difference. There's plenty of further detail to squeeze out of something like the GQux, even rescribing the HG makes a massive difference so image if it had full part and colour seperation. Granted, it wouldn't be as big of a jump as something like the Impulse but it would still be noticeable.

>>23462599
>Like, what more detail would you really be able to add for an RG GQuuuuuuX
People always say this. When the MG Vidar got announced people cried that we already had the FM but when you compare them it's a night and day difference. There's plenty of further detail to squeeze out of something like the GQux, even rescribing the HG makes a massive difference so imagine if it had full part and colour seperation. Granted, it wouldn't be as big of a jump as something like the Impulse but it would still be noticeable.

>>23461870 (OP)
I own a few RGs and honestly I don't really like them that much. They are over complicated for the scale and become a pain in the ass over time. They have cool engineering but I'd rather Bandai just do revives of HG kits than this. I really wish Bandai would stop throwing grunt HGs on P-bandai and just release them like normal

>>23461871
Katoki has fuck all to do with RGs, he mostly works with MGS.

>>23464992
overpriced P-Bandai always sold out in an instant since consumers are very enthusiastic about them. so there's no reason for bandai to stop their easy money grubbing.
why release niche units as normal HG/MG, FM or RE100 when they can just overcharge? people will buy them in drove anyway.

RG are cool.
They look really good even without any paint or panel lining.

They are perfect grades into 1/44 scale.

>>23464992
>They are over complicated for the scale
They really aren't.
>become a pain in the ass over time
This hasn't been true for close to a decade, when they ditched the MS-frame. The problem with talking about this stuff is there's a lot of hamfisted retards out there who have trouble with anything at a smaller scale due to their sausage sized fingers. Modern RG kits are some of the best out of the box experiences in all of model kits. Someone in this thread said that MGs are too fragile. What the fuck are you people doing with these things?

>>23465622
Anon you can find the scale annoying without it meaning you've got 2x scale American sausage fingers and are literally incapable of building them.
I've built a couple just fine, new and old, and aside from the inner frame on my Gundam MK2 doing its best to kill itself with sticktion when I was doing the steps as instructed because part of the arm was twisting easier than the actual elbow joint, I've not had any major issues beyond the pieces being much easier to sacrifice to the carpet gods.
I can build them just fine, it's just a more fiddly experience than an MG or HG.
Aesthetically I also think a lot of RGs end up kind of gaudy. Like decisions are being made more to justify tiny parts and a complex build process than because they aid the look of the finished design. Off the top of my head at least I struggle to think of a suit where I think the RG is the best looking interpretation of it. HG can do pretty damn high detail when required too these days. Plus 'more detail' doesn't always mean 'aesthetically better design'.

should I buy a MG Billbine? I'm kinda iffy, as I don't have any strong nostalgia for the series and the kit seems so outdated even if its new

on the other hand, its cheap

>>23466727
looks too toy-ish

>>23466492
>I struggle to think of a suit where I think the RG is the best looking interpretation of it
Force Impulse, Z'gok, Hi-v, Epyon, God gundam, Zeong, Wing Gundam

>>23464197
a RG F-91 shouldn't be very hard given they already have the Crossbone frame to work with

Where the fuck is RG Alex, Bandai?

>>23466911
I don't understand the appeal of basic ass robot like that, RX-78, MK-II, Thunderbolt, and other similar looking shit.
At least Ez08 has a unique backpack and shield.

>>23461870 (OP)
>sell the toys disassembled in sprue, without paintjob, the decals on a paper
I's rather get me a Zeonography, a RD or even a fucking MSIA

>>23466877
Anon do you have reading comprehension problems? Those are suits you think are best in RG form, not ones that I think are.
I'll pay the Zeong though, fair.

>>23466921
The Ez8 is just a Gundam larping as a UN peacekeeper.

>>23464137
it is the case. MG recent retail releases has been relegated to main suits and rivals, and units like the zaku warrior where a frame is designed to farm P-Bandai variants. the newer RGs are the same price as 2010 MGs now and they too are being designed around farming PB. They get to redo the same kits they did in the MG line but better plan it out to make the variants PB.

>>23464198
why do the chinese make so many 1/100 kits when they live in shoebox homes? Their apartments are like 900sqft on average.

>>23467164
They put them all in the generic katoki pose to save space. Same with their 3rd party transformers toys.

>>23464188
I love RG
I fucking love RG.
Bandai should've developed more RG instead of fucking big ass MG for size queens.
GIVE ME MORE 1/144 BANDAI FUCK YOU

>>23463847
Genesic would require a bit more work, since you'd really only be able to reuse most of Galeon. But, I'd still love to see it some day. Although, with how it is right now, all the cool features would be an extra P Bandai set.

>Have to pay extra for Galeoria Road, Bolting Driver, Goldion Nails, etc

>>23466921
A great number of Gundam fans, myself included, are also military otaku/sci-fi fans, sometimes more than anime fans, so fairly utilitarian designs appeal to us as they fit that bill better than something like, say, 00 Raiser or WZC.

In UC trying to be exciting is usually too prohibitively expensive to do on any scale that can change the course of a given war, and all the fancy, extravagantly kitted-out MS tend to get rekt by the "boring" utilitarian designs quite often, anyway, so even in-universe, the prevalence of utilitarian rifle and saber + shield loadout is kind of self perpetuating by simple virtue of being the META for most militaries.

>Thunderbolt
One of these things is not like the other. In fact, it could be argued Thunderbolt is all rule of cool all the time.

for those in the beta: does using an RG over an HG give you any sort of benefit in Gunpla Battle Nexus Online?

>>23466921
I'm genuinely curious where your taste falls in mobile suits.
>>23467308
Pretty much this. It's also why there's usually the overlap with grunt enthusiasts. While obviously anything mecha is inherently rule of cool over practicality, there's still something neat to things within that context aiming for more verisimilitude as military hardware.
I think it's also where the age old Nu versus Hi-Nu split comes from. Nu appeals to people that like the more stripped down look, Hi-Nu appeals to people that like flashier machines.

>>23467308
Ya know, that does explain the recent split between Wing fans and the Okawara designs vs Katoki designs debate I've seen. Especially in regards to Wing Zero

>>23468185
>I'm genuinely curious where your taste falls in mobile suits.
from UC only: Hyaku Shiki, The O, Atlas, Dom, Physalis, Dendrobium, Ez08, Zeong, Neo Zeong, F91, Unicorn FA, Red Gundam, G-Self, Turn X
There must be more, but I can't remember.

>be real grade
>Make the torso extremely tiny and cut out rounded shaped into square

The only one that don't those problems are tallgeese and the smallerS Ms like Crossbone and wings

But the over decorating black "mechanical" dips and holes just look horrible on white color suit

I've only had one Real Grade, a Gundam Mk II. When they first came out, I had an idea to make them into functional robots by attaching carbon nanotube aerogel muscles to their endoskeletons and then figuring out some way to move them using electrical signals sent to said muscles, like the model skeleton in this video.
https://youtu.be/8l0FKK6y25Q?si=iEYMn5I54rTq_hsH

However, I was never able to find means of obtaining those carbon nanotube aerogels or make them myself.

>>23467308
Headhunters and their Baroque line disprove your theory of UC being an unchanging socialist shithole

>>23469909
It's like cars getting bigger from the bumpers and electronics spaces, but also having more cramped seating

>>23461870 (OP)
Well, at the time they first debuted, it was essentially a massive flex on Bandai's part that they could miniaturize the degree of parts separation approaching a MG to the scale of an HG, but concessions had to be made with a pre-fab inner frame.
But even that was a showcase of impressive plamo engineering on Bandai's part, a fully articulate skeleton that you could snap off of a plastic runner, all you need is to break a few connections to free the articulation and it's good to go.
It's kinda the same reason the RX0 Unicorn, as a design, ostensibly exists and the justification for all the media that introduces it into Gundam: Bandai really wants you to be blown away at their ability to make a model kit made up of so many individual pieces, at all kinds of scales and with various levels of transformation gimmick implemented.


So yeah, it's Bandai bragging about how small they can make individual parts on their kits.

>>23461870 (OP)

Can we all take a moment to pause, and consider how absolutely ridiculous the "Perfect Grade" looks?

The Asymmetry

The Bizarre extra features

The nonsense, wacky, very-delicate (ie; unwarlike) accessories. The perforated plate (a speaker?) the needless rectangles that serve no discernible purpose.

Is 'perfect grade' a joke I'm not in on?

I just bought two 1/100 Leos, a Wing Grandam, and a Heavy Arms recently. I have bases for all for dynamic posing, and I'm painted the Leos now. (I used to Paint Ultramarines and Orcs... so giant Gundams are like a retirement/gift project)

One LEO is getting obliterated by Heavy Arms... full on with cotton ball smoke, LED lit fire, etc.

I bought a non-Gundam Wing models as well... some unit with twin swords made with clear plastic. It's super cool to paint and illuminate the clear laser swords.

Fun times with 1/100 Master Grade. (I never even considered the 1/144 Plebiscite Grade)

But, seriously... That Perfect Grade is AI slop... r-right?

>>23470910
>Asymmetry
Real world planes and armor rarely have symmetrical surface mounted components
>Extra features
Such as? Opening hatches? How else are you supposed to service a 60ft tall vehicle?
>The perforated plate
Its incredibly inefficient and wasteful to make structures out of solid metal

Is there a cutoff point for when RGs stop being plastic grenades?

>>23471353
The bad RGs, in my experience, are:
>Anything that uses the Strike's internal frame
>GP01 and GP01Fb
>Any of the RX-0 line
>Z

Everything else is really good. Some MS' defininitve 1/144 versions are their RGs. Exia's best kit is the RG, for instance.

>>23461870 (OP)
>What is the point of Real Grades?
To make money

/thread

>>23471360
Just you wait
They will make new MG Exia using Dynames' frame

Zeta RG 2.0 is gonna be amazing. It should be getting announced before the end of the year, since it is the 40th anniversary of Zeta Gundam. It will definitley use transformation improvements of the Ver Ka MG kit to make the RG stronger and sturdier than the 1.0

>>23471380
MG Exia isn't quite as shitty as everyone says. It has some issues, but it's not the worst thing I've built.

>>23471360
Not the PG exia?

>>23472766
Prohibitively expensive. I sorta rule PGs out whenever I think about gunpla

>>23471353
If you want a general rule, from RG25 (Unicorn) onwards. The reality is that some of the older RGs are still decent while others aren't. The RG Mk-2 is one of the earliest RGs but it's actually decent. Meanwhile the RG Justice, and 90% of the other seed kits, came out at the same time or after it and they fall apart quickly.

HGs but they actually look good OOB

The best RG is Fat Cat's scaled up RX-78 2.0

>>23471477
There's nothing they can do to make it sturdier without switching to metal or carbon fiber

alot of RG are shit but some RG are just pure peak

-Sazabi
-Nu
-Hi-Nu
-Epyon
-grandpa 2.0

>>23474332
1/100 RG?

>>23474219
Justice sucks. So does the vanilla RG Freedom. The updated version that's a Gundam Base exclusive fixes a lot of the issues. Not quite a 2.0, but more like a 1.5

>>23471353
There really isn't, it's more like they're all becoming bad as each year passes. The reason is because RG's came out at the time when Bandai started taking full advantage of the re-purpose the fuck out of a mold and make lots of variants train due to Premium Bandai, Gundam Base and event exclusives so the period at which the mold wears out and needs maintenance happens faster. This is why you always see conflicting reports of how someone's build experience is with RGs, some people got reprints that were at the time the molds needed rest to juice up and are absolutely garbage and others where it was either the first run or the run immediately after maintenance was performed so they had no or minimal issues. The Advanced MS Joint system molding and some of the smaller load bearing standard parts are clearly not able to handle this much reprint usage especially for the ones where it was used across multiple designs simultaneously (seed frames/zaku frames), and from the Sinanju there is a max weight limitation that wears out the joints faster after assembly.


>>23474219
Even the RG Unicorn mold which was an extremely stable transforming kit initially on release now has shoulder connection/chest assembly issues where the connection gets stress cracks (G-35 parts). This is separate from the B-8/B-9 elbow breaking due to applying pressure on the wrong area. I'm fully expecting the golden kits like the Nu/Hi-Nu/Sazabi to also wear out somewhere also soon.

>>23461870 (OP)
>flimsy
You built them wrong
>overdesigned
Eh
>proportions
Anime accuracy isn't the goal
>pieces
Parts. Retard

>>23474754
>Even the RG Unicorn mold which was an extremely stable transforming kit initially on release now has shoulder connection/chest assembly issues
Mine is completely fine.
>I'm fully expecting the golden kits like the Nu/Hi-Nu/Sazabi to also wear out somewhere also soon.
Why would they wear out any worse or quicker than any other modern kit?

>>23474358
>sazabi
Chest too large to be peak
>nu
Faceplate too small and too much of a lanklet to be peak
>hi-nu
Funnel racks too bulbously large and tumorous to be peak
>grandpa 2.0
Torso too long and too dissimilar to the ver la rx-78-2 to be peak

>>23474754
>I'm fully expecting the golden kits like the Nu/Hi-Nu/Sazabi to also wear out somewhere also soon.
Yeah the 5/6 year old kits are going to suddenly fall apart all over the world. Right after everyone who got the covid shot all die at the same time.

>>23471477
I’d buy an RG zeta 2.0 regardless of stability issues as long as they unfuck the head/neck area

>>23474332
This is an amazing 3rd party / bootleg kit.

>>23474332
Inferior to the MG 2.0 but superior to the MG 3.0.

>>23475610
>Mine is completely fine.
>This is why you always see conflicting reports of how someone's build experience is with RGs, some people got reprints that were at the time the molds needed rest to juice up and are absolutely garbage and others where it was either the first run or the run immediately after maintenance was performed so they had no or minimal issues.

>Why would they wear out any worse or quicker than any other modern kit?
It's not mutually exclusive anon. The MGs with the MP-1/MP-2 hands have hit or miss experience too now.


>>23475639
Reading comprehension anon, it's about the mold of these kits wearing out faster between each maintenance cycle.

>>23476982
Why would the mold for the Nu/Hi-Nu/Sazabi wear out faster than anything else when kits with far worse construction have been getting reprinted for decades without issue.

I want a RG Hyaku Shiki but I'm afraid that they might do plating instead of painting

>>23477853
If they do it however they did the MG 2.0 it'd probably look fine. It has a more diffused sheen to it, it's quite nice.
The high gloss chrome-gold is both an absolute feat of chemical engineering and without fail looks like total fucking ass.