Thread 23463940

Thoughts?
Hopes?
Fears?

I literally fell asleep playing it. The first game got along due to armored core not being a thing but now that it's back.....let's just say DxM is...oh how does one say..

>>23463940 (OP)
Melee is kinda bland, even the gigamace feels floaty despite how restrictive it is in commitment to the attack
You have legs but you can't slide or kick or wallrun? No barehand combo? No gauntlet weapons? This is like gayer Warframe (and that says something) but with flight

>>23464407
Also the bows are abysmal in damage despite being manual aim only.

>>23464407
There's a gauntlet, my fave weapon. I got just one from a quest so I'm filling the other hand with the combat knife, but the tooltip said that the combos can use both hands.
>>23464426
The bow is for the +80 item find last hit and nothing else.
>>23463940 (OP)
I had fun but there weren't any good bosses, except maybe the gun fort. Most enemies are not interesting to fight.

>>23464407
Taking it back, you can unlock kicks as mutation skill

Didn't like the desert map.
Ubisoft open-world (strongholds, mining points).
Aerial battles are weird.
Loot system is cool.
Don't like the color palette.
Movement options are good.

I think I'm going to pass on this one. I'm reaching 40 next year and I absolutely don't the have the time anymore for games with busywork, specifically Ubisoft-esque open world games.

>>23463951
Armored Core isn't back, though.

>>23471889
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3392040/
Not yet.

>>23472884
>muh speed for answer clone
snooooore

>>23463940 (OP)
can you paint the energy lines now?
do all mechs look and play the same like in the first one?
did the first protagonist sleep with anyone from Panzer crown?

>>23473112
Play Dolls Nest or the barebones VersionThree then.
Or wait for this vaporware https://youtu.be/5P5Z14CChrI

Thankfully no one actually likes AC4A as is, so even the "muh speed" clones look more like 5th gen sped up.
Like this schizocore where instead of scan mode you get boost mode https://store.steampowered.com/app/2473720/

>>23473162
>do all mechs look and play the same like in the first one?
I mean they're all bipedal. But if you mean does weight/customization matter this time it does.
Weight hits stagger limit, head dramatically impacts Femto/Stamina consumption, and various moves do more damage/recover faster dependent on how you build. It's alright.
>>23467240
>mining points
>ubisoft
What?
Monster Hunters done mining for way longer than ubisoft.

>>23473162
>energy lines
I think those sections are just gone. The only armor sections you can't paint now are the black "underarmor" parts. You have three color choices for the rest of your body, and then one for your lights.
>
Yes, Crown Princess.

>>23473692
>spoiler
wait seriously?
Where is this archaic knowledge even at?

>>23473708
>seriously
No.________________

>>23473708
I made it up.

Post arsenals

side mission trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsosASfbQE

>>23474339
Curious how racing will work. If you can just turn on your wings and leave your AI in the dust every time, then that won’t be fun. But if they also use wings, won’t that force you to bring them as well?

>>23474339
>All those shitty minigames
This studio really can't seem to understand that they should focus on a game's main point rather than wasting time on pointless and poorly designed gimmicks

>>23474783
all of the side missions use the game's main mechanics except the racing and card game

>>23474783
Yeah I'm sure the person who designs mechs and combat is the same exact set of members who are designing a harmless card game
Don't be a dweeb.

>>23473677
What I mean is that ubisoft loves to fill their map up with useless busywork. Mining for rocks has no place in a mech game. Hell, I'll PAY for others to mine, but I don't want to get into my power armor to hit a rock with a pickaxe. That's fucking dumb.

How about something more akin to an economy of a real mine, like
>there's a mine here, but a ton of monsters
>you have to clear the way around the mine and sometimes the boss inside (if there's any)
>then it generates passive income and some rare stones

I understand you may find this "commonplace" because other games use it, but I don't want to fly up to a rock and mine it. That's stupid.

>>23474860
Moving around probes or shooting scripted transmission towers isn't particularly interesting, I'd rather have better enemies or more parts honestly.
The procgen dungeon in the first game was also atrocious and the (admittedly little, I hope) time and money they spent on that should have been spent on finishing the main campaign and balancing the game instead.
>>23474876
>Different staff members are wasted on pointless things so it's alright
Dude, what in the world are you talking about? They shouldn't have wasted time and people on any of that shit to begin with, who wants to play fucking card games in a mecha game? The vehicles are already an afterthought and there's even less reasons to have horses and shit as rides either, it's all wasted effort for a team that is already operating on a tight budget and can't afford to bite more than they can chew.

>>23474907
>The procgen dungeon in the first game was also atrocious
What? That mode was great.

>>23474890
>Mining for rocks has no place in a mech game.
Literally says who?
You?
As a matter of fact, I can't even think of a ubisoft with actual mining. And busy body bullshit isn't a ubisoft staple, it's an open world staple. Which is why you're collecting seeds in BoTW, coins in Odyssey, stickers in Kart World, Words in skyrim, etc. Why monhun had it's endemic life, why HZD had it's (more ubisoft esque I might add) towers, etc etc.

The outposts aren't ubisoft esque either, they're the entrance to a mini dungeon.

>>23474907
>there's even less reasons to have horses and shit as rides either
Have you even played the demo? There are plenty of reasons to have horses as a vehicle outside of just the fact of "because it's cool"

Furthermore.
>>23474907
>The procgen dungeon in the first game was also atrocious
It was both fine and fun.
This one seems to be a direct upgrade.

>>23472884
>Cloning the worst entry in the series
SHIGIDDYDIGIDDY

>>23473439
Is Dolls Nest actually good, though? I cleared the demo and didn't feel too strongly about it, other than the BLAME! environments being very nice.

>>23475017
It's an armored core 2 clone?

>>23463940 (OP)
can make your waifu in it. 10/10

>>23475118
Brotip: If your attempt to sound clever needs people to assume you're retarded for it to make sense, it didn't make you sound clever.
You know damn fucking well 4's DBZ bullshit was absolute dogshit.

>>23474928
Fuck no it wasn't, it's just a bunch of empty square rooms you zoom through with maybe a select couple of gimmicks in the Hard mode and lazily put together Arsenal "bosses" at the end.
>>23474937
>There are plenty of reasons to have horses as a vehicle
There's none when bikes and cars are already a thing, it's pointless filler that doesn't even look cool since they're not even mecha horses.

Stop being a little bitch.

>>23464426
Look I can't aim for shit with a controller either but
>the bows are abysmal in damage
Let's not get crazy here.
Even without weakpoints like in webm related the things dps in through the roof both up close (due to it's shotgun full charged shots) and afar (due to single-double charged shots)
Sniper has better damage on weakpoints but overall far lower dps while pistols are harder to use.

And while it's crit mod is decent (21%) it doesn't completely shatter the weapon if you don't crit (like daggers) or fall off a cliff if you're not on weakpoints (like pistols)
Overall the damage is, in the demo at least, the highest you can get out of a single weapon slot.

Almost makes me want to use Mouse and keyboard. Only almost.

>>23475118
Wait someone else has a beef with Armored Core 2 besides me?
Who are you and what clone batch are you a part of

>>23475873
What's wrong with AC2? As the first half step forward it's pretty alright and AA is legitimately fun if all you wanted was more "content". Kind of in the same way like how nine breaker can...
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>>23475904
Mostly childhood traumas from getting filtered hard by the early game and never reaching a point where everything clicks and things become fun.
The only other AC I've had a comparable visceral problem with was Last Raven, and the funny thing about LR is I stuck with it long enough to hit the I-Get-It point where it quickly became my favorite Armored Core rivaled only by Silent Line. I never got to that point with 2, so I'm still left with a lot of sour opinions of it that cloud my ability to give the game a fair shake, as insane as that sounds.

>>23475017
Pretty sure no one's cloning 6 yet.

>>23475117
YMMV. If you like oldgen and don't mind souls level design it's pretty good, although it'd be a lot better if they patched up the awful weapon/part balance.
I'm biased because I had actually really wanted someone to make musumechame AC, but back when a thread was up, there was a guy who absolutely loathed the idea and tried to customize his doll so you couldn't tell there's a girl there, but still admitted to really enjoying the game.

For me I just felt immense disappointment. Exosuits instead of mecha, turbo hyper fast movement without even the thought of weight to it, semi-soulslike equipment and combat that manages to have no impact at all. I know I was quick to judge with it but I got to the open world segment and just stopped playing because I was left in such a bummed out state of mind.

>>23476909
>turbo hyper fast movement without even the thought of weight to it
That applies more to the first game than TS, if anything.
>semi-soulslike equipment
What? You mean diablo-like?

Did you even play the original, because "exosuits instead of mecha" is the only thing out of these that's actually changed.

>>23476929
I didn't play the first one, no. I didn't hear good things about it from anybody I know
I didn't compare to diablo since I don't play much diablo and also because it's not the same genre. Honestly this feels more like warframe than anything else and I quit that game years ago

>>23476909
>turbo hyper fast movement without even the thought of weight to it
I swear half of the people complaining about these games haven't even played them. DXM2 is more heavy than the first game, despite the fact that the power suits are smaller than the mechs. Even with the fastest build in the demo, you can't maneuver like this.
>semi-soulslike equipment and combat
What did he mean by this?

I do have a lot of qualms with this game and I wish the devs were wiser than they are, but how in the world are people, on /m/ of all places, complaining about the power armor?
Nevermind the first game already having hints of that with some augments like the back booster and arm blades for your Outer because admittedly almost nobody bought the first game, how are people complaining about something so fundamentally /m/ as power armor, which has even less vidya representation than proper mecha suits?
Please explain this profound retardation to me, how are modern /m/en shitting on the work of people like Shirow or beloved classics like MD Geist?

>>23474250
Really liking the General head. A bit surprised it's considered medium and not heavy armor though. Also hoping that the full release has more backgrounds for this preview mode, most of the existing ones suck ass.

>>23476949
killing that nigger was so much fun

>>23476958
What I really don't get it is that people have no problems with mechamusume but power armor is a no go, like what???

>>23476934
>I didn't compare to diablo since I don't play much diablo and also because it's not the same genre
But somehow this is the same genre as a soulslike for you??

>>23476949
weightier than the first game doesn't mean it has weight to it. A lot of this is just that man-sized exosuits are so much less interesting to me on about every level. It's the same sorta reason that I liked gundam VS but don't like that waifu game copycat, or how I like SRW but don't enjoy most tactics games or VNs.
>>23477036
>>23476949
the equip slots, swapping each hand around, and the melee stuff made me think of that (though only in a vague sense).


Honestly a ton of my inability to get interested in the game is on an aesthetic/conceptual level. The floating equipment and holotech (like how your helmet just vanishes and reappears) just bum me out since it's not the sort of thing I enjoy with mecha style content. The visual design of exosuits also feels way more limited in what you can do compared to a mech, and feels more like you're just putting on armor sets than anything else.

All just opinions though, not saying the game is actually bad. I just have a mecha-sized hole that nothing has filled since AC6

>>23477061
If we're talking AC, backup weapons existed since 3rd gen and replaced back weapons in V. Being able to swap hands is just QoL on top of that. Although I hate how they get shuffled around now, not very intuitive. Hope they patch it.

>>23477061
>weightier than the first game doesn't mean it has weight to it.
why would powersuits need to be as weighty as full sized mechs anyways?

>>23476958
Mate, who is this /m/ you're talking about? It's not like Dolls Nest didn't occasionally have people posting just to say they only like full sized mecha or hate moe.
The main difference here is that this is a sequel to a giant robot game (albeit not exactly a great one), so you should expect more people to complain. And even then I don't see a whole lot of that.

>>23477198 (me)
I was also responding to >>23477034 at the same time I guess.
Point is, some people have more specific preferences.

>>23477177
You can be fast and still have weight to things. Vanquish is probably the best example, with the meaty sounds and such for a lot of the weapons as well as the satisfying melee hits. I didn't really feel as fast in comparison in the DxM demo despite functionally being way faster than in Vanquish for other stylistic reasons too. It's hard to explain
>>23477159
Yeah but those are things physically on your mech that deploy themselves vs how in this game you just teleport new stuff into your hands

>>23477302
Well to be fair, the gen 3-4 "hangers" never actually displayed on the model in any way, either.
But yeah I also miss the clang-switch of gen 5. Certainly not the speed of it but the sound+animation.

>>23476929
>Did you even play the original, because "exosuits instead of mecha" is the only thing out of these that's actually changed.
And the reason we have it now is because in the first game they actually allowed us to exit our mechs, mid mission and that was such a jarring waste of potential.

>>23477383
>this optional thing you don't need to engage with but is there because fuck you it's cool is such wasted potential

By that logic, Armored Core games are 80% wasted potential every entry.
Being a stupid fuck needs to be a bannable offense.

>>23477383
I don't think there really was any legs to getting out of your mech. You have to actually construct a setting where getting out gives you other interesting options and instead you get out of your superfast laserbeam jet and you have absolutely fucking nothing to do lol

>>23477474
In the dungeon mode there is a room that you can only enter with your outer and you have to make it to a console to open the door while enemies try to kill you. Outside of that, they never made a good use for the outer.

I like the combat. I wish you didn't have to be a mutie to use skills.

>>23477688
You can kill the final boss outside of your arsenal.
Also, stun mines are absurdly potent but you end up trying to play Monster Hunter against fast moving objects when using them.
In squads, one of the outer augment abilities is for rebooting downed arsenals so that also adds a support element to them.
And finally there's like one regular mission that has you infiltrating on foot, off top of head. And another where an alternate outcome is triggered by disembarking.

>>23463940 (OP)
>its a open world mecha game
/m/ coop is going to be awsome

>>23477422
Fuck you it is cool. Wish we could toggle our suits on or off in titanic scion

>>23477960
Just being able to (un)hide parts on the fly would be cool.

>>23475497
I wish they'd fix the lag that occurs when you use mouse input at the same time as controller input so gyro could be viable on PC.

>>23478154
Why are you aliasing the gyro to a mouse input rather than as a second right stick?
Am I missing an input conflict or something?

Most games aren't designed to let mkb and pad be used simultaneously, they'll state switch between the two control systems plus associated UI elements and only people who do weird hybrid controller setups ever encounter this particular design flaw in pc game design.

>>23477709
They said there would be measures for people worried about that in the postgame

>>23478260
Citation needed.

The gayest shit about the game is how it's designed around hardlock so you can't consistently strafe around enemies without the character constantly rotating sideways when you're not shooting or boosting.

>>23478303
*when manual aiming

>>23478215
Because gyro movement isn't as smooth if you try to emulate a stick with it; instead of 1:1 movement it has weird stops when your motion isn't big enough. I'd rather map every other input on the controller to kbm than deal with how bad that feels, which I did for EDF6. Unless there's some way to eliminate that issue that I'm not aware of?

>>23478286
https://youtu.be/4dq-CXP8whc?t=1325

>>23478311
>https://youtu.be/4dq-CXP8whc?t=1325
Nice, good to know. Figured they'd add something like that, considering you can hide and transmog suit parts freely.

>>23478317
Seriously, every aspect of this game's customization has been a pleasant surprise so far. Sounds like the full game will have a proper decal editor too

>>23478303
That and no descent button so it'll be triple the jump button to get to the required lower height of your choosing. Also the fact that shit like bow and sniper rifle is tied to magnification which makes it nearly unviable if there's pvp. A good test would be the built in arena.

>pvp
Who care
I'm glad it'll be an afterthought this time.

>>23478311
Yeah I dunno if that's to do with deadzone or input curves, I know this from experiencing the other side of the equation where I set right stick to act as mouse input and it's somehow like the greatest analog input feeling ever short of having a physical trackball installed into my controller.

But I do know a lot of games just really hate the freakish hybrid idea of mixing a mouse and a game pad in any form, even if it creates some surprisingly synergistic results.

>>23477809
Is it true coop or just boss hunting like the first game?

>>23478460
it's true coop, you can explore the world, do the silly side events, do the dungeons, get your own gear, etc etc.
Also simul story progression unless I'm misremembering.

>My bones when I try to fit my legs into Flamberge greaves
It's Anthem suit design all over again...

That said, it didn't have a particularly strong start, but after a few days of revisiting it, I'm starting to fall in love with it a bit, but I'll admit a lot of that has to do with my love for Iron Man/flight-capable power armor and Dom-like movement.

>>23477709
>I wish you didn't have to be a mutie to use skills.
You want skills? look like a disgusting freak that's just the law of nature deal with it and stop acting like a pussy

>>23478311
I'm gonna need a translation because I don't speak japanese

>>23478748
Turn on auto-translate captions. It's almost exactly what was stated here >>23478260

>>23478731
>That said, it didn't have a particularly strong start, but after a few days of revisiting it, I'm starting to fall in love with it a bit, but I'll admit a lot of that has to do with my love for Iron Man/flight-capable power armor and Dom-like movement.
Same, but I'm still not sure if it worth at least 70 dollarydoos. I was hoping some keysites will have it cheaper for my third world ass but no such luck.

>>23477709
is there a reason why enemies are aliens now? And why did it downgrade from mechs to pa?

>>23478367
I have a feeling they'll at least patch in cutting boosters with one button, but on PC you can macro that anyway.

>>23479380
Those aren't aliens. Those are wild life corrupted by femto and immortals. Also some of them are former humans who overdosed on femto and mutations. As for the switch the only ingame explanation is the compactization of tech since it's nearly 600 years from the first game. Design wise I think they wanted to move away from their AC inspiration, even if their roots are still inherent.

>>23479380
>>23479520
Worth noting that there are still mechs to fight too, it's just that there are more organic immortals in addition to those. Even the animal ones tend to have machinery like guns or lasers in them

>>23479563
>>23479520
well atleast old arsenals are still a thing, thou why are they on a time limit?

Colosseum trailer. Didn't see anybody else post this yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48DrHotpZLo

Suit arms without the chestpiece on look goofy as hell, could use a scaling slider.

>>23479665
>There is an official version, but it's not PvP (NPCs wearing other players' equipment will appear)/公式にもあるけどPvPではないからね(他プレイヤーの装備をしたNPCが乱入)

Well shit I didn't notice this comment before, but they're taking AC:MoA 2nd disc arena players and making it online.
So for those that don't know, Fromsoft had an official tournament and added arena NPCs in the form of a 2nd disc. And they beefed them up. DxM is basically doing an online version of this. How it goes and how they do it, don't know yet.

cultural victory of tokusatsu over mecha

>>23479665
>>23479789
It seems to basically be Gundam Breaker Mobile's arena mode, concept wise. Hopefully it's more fun to play than that was.

>>23479792
toku is /m/ faggot

season pass time. better have eclipse boss at some point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqRoUNmsE3I

>>23479815
Aw shit it's a cube. Not really digging any of those outfits though, what the hell is this?

>>23479767
For me it's the naked head scaling differently based on whether or not your chest piece is equipped. Not sure why that was necessary

>>23479827
men of density

>>23479815
that's just digi deluxe stuff. Though it does confirm that the eventual "expansion pack" will have to be bought.

If it does well enough I'm sure there'll probably be more.

>>23479815
>better have eclipse boss at some point
They showed Eclipse in the trailer at hthe end of the demo. Three of them at once, even.

>>23463940 (OP)
WHERE THE FUCK IS GYRO AIMING?

Are there transmogs for weapons?

>>23479869
You can add it on PC via steam controller config, but there's lag if you use gyro as mouse. I bit the bullet and just went with gyro as joystick and it already feels a lot better even if it's not perfect. I'd be surprised if it doesn't get added to the console versions later considering the sniper rifles and longbows are heavily nerfed without it and combat in general feels better when you can aim freely

>>23479832
yeah

>>23479878
Don't think so, but you can change where they're placed on your armor

>>23479815
>Actually have to pay 90 bucks because of the planned expansion
They just convinced me to not buy this, what the fuck are they thinking? 90 bucks for what is barely AA? Lunacy, I'll wait when it's half that at minimum
>>23479827
They're the Neun Gang outfits so you can LARP as the bad guys

>>23480013
On second thought, this can mess up your lock-on by making it switch to other targets. Looks like I'll be rebinding every button on the controller to a keyboard input when the game comes out

Just unga bunga'd Rebellion and Gunfort with dual knuckles. I'm looking forward to the full game with how serious Knife/Knuckle can be with a full counter teleport grab with Knife followed by a few stabbings and a literal Knuckle sandwich.

>>23481255
Wait, Rebellion is in the demo too? Where do you find him?

pew pew pew
I wonder if Blitz's are better to use this time around

I'm not again having to micro the fuck out of them but the payoff needs to at least be worth it if you squint a little.

>>23479850
That's just how Eclipse rolls since it clones itself.

>>23481296
You can still steal Rebellion's giant sword and use it against him just like in the first game.

>>23481296
right here, you'll know you're nearby by the sea of corpses.

>>23481255
This guy and gunfort were a lot harder than I thought they'd be on hard mode considering the ones I remember from the first game were pushovers. Might just be because I was doing heavyweight melee build though

>>23481358
Fun mechanic, I ended up beating gunfort by looting beam rifles off of the corpses when I ran out of heals

>>23481974
Yeah I unga bunga'd them on hard mode. Gunfort was more pretentious with it's turrets damage up. Funnily enough with knuckles I've hit it's underside and compared to>>23481348,
I've managed to do more damage before the canister cores blew up. By like the 3rd core, Gunfort was past half health.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2025/08/28/shoji-kawamori-on-the-mecha-design-for-daemon-x-machina-titanic-scion/
Kawamori interview

>>23481974
I still think it's funny that you fight like 3 variations of gunfort in the first one and you usually dash under it to fuck with it, then you hit gunfort omega and get a very rude awakening.

>>23482349
I don't think I got that far. Are there some decent challenges to look forward to in the first game after all?

>>23482349
I never fought the online-only bosses. Are the DxM 2 versions based on those?

>>23482390
They're pretty much lifted entirely from DxM from what we've seen.
Gunfort, Rebellion, Zeruchroar and Eclipse have been fully recycled, Bolt, Dreadnought and Aviator are probably going to be in as well.

>>23482384
yeah, some of the only bosses are pretty fun, some are kind of frustrating.
Nightmare Omega is infuriating though.

>>23481358
Late, but thanks for the tip. Didn't expect him to just be chilling there, must be how I kept missing him.

>>23471889
Sure it is, dolls nest came out a while ago.

>>23463940 (OP)
Kinda feels like what Anthem was supposed to be if Bioware didn't shit the bed. Feels alright but my potato of a PC kept chugging when things got busy.
>>23464407
If you don't have a weapon you punch.

Decal locations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYtT8qvEQgY

Is it possible to complete the bestiary in the demo? I'm missing four or so entries, and I'm assuming they're just duplicate Stray entries except for some tiny corner of the map I've overlooked.

>>23485344
No. There's a hell alot more.

A handy suit to human size reference.

You know, if they really should've added capes for the Arsenal.

>>23487221
heavy variant

>>23487207
>Make the perfect Aussenseiter arm parts
>No head part with a human face and a ponytail
My dreams of a Trombe Arsenal crushed just like that...

>>23485753
Yeah, I know the full game is going to have more enemies, I'm just talking about the small enemy drop list you get in the demo. Thinking about it more, two of those entries are probably reserved for the walker and Centurion from the intro.

>>23474250
Second one's a work in progress, but I just finished the first game and was pretty happy with how that one turned out. It let me try out a bunch of weapons as I progressed and ended up being pretty balanced in what it could do by the end

>>23487231
I'm buying the full game anon if you aren't. I'll look if there's such a helm on the full release.

>>23487348
>I'm just talking about the small enemy drop list you get in the demo
I've tried. Believe me because I was searching everywhere for an Augment III of any type. I was hoping the Hypnosis mini boss dropped those.

>>23476949
>>23476909
>>23476929
>>23477177
>>23477159
Went back to the game after a couple days, was able to enjoy myself more. I think I'm largely just starved for good mecha stuff so it hurt my impressions to have exosuits instead. Game's fun, though I do worry about the ubisoft style open world, and don't expect the game to be worth 70 dollars

>>23487615
Still pondering, CDKeys is selling the the deluxe edition for 60 bucks, which is way better than 90 but I'm still wary given my experience with the first game.
How many of you are you going to bother? Can we get an /m/ room or something going?

>>23487200
I really like your paint set. It's like one of those police force paint scheme.

>>23487728
Wouldn't the rooms be small? I mean it's only squads of 3.

I don't understand why everyone says the story of the first game is the weakest part, I found that a lot more interesting than the gameplay up until the very end where I couldn't just steamroll everything. Its real issue was the way the story was presented, with all the dialogue before and during missions getting in the way of gameplay. Felt like they were just too ambitious for their budget.

>>23487728
I've already got it pre-ordered. Having just played the demo and the first game back-to-back, everything in the second game immediately felt like a huge improvement aside from worse performance and lack of gyro

https://youtu.be/8BRAztga9H4?t=692
Looks like the quick boost has i-frames. No wonder it felt like I was running out of energy so quickly against gunfort and rebellion when I was trying to position around their attacks instead of dodge through them

>>23489177
That much is said in the loadout screen in the demo, you can check it right now. There's three weight brackets that determine how much i-frames it gives you.

>>23483897
Barehand attacks have no combo, read again

>>23489190
So it does, in the third stat tab where it goes over performance changes by weight. Must have missed that

>>23489015
It's mostly become a self sustaining meme of people writing it off for too many anime cliches, and then being so thoroughly confused by the things they decided not to give a chance at following along with that they write it all off as nonsense from the get-go.

>>23489657
That's about what I figured. What a shame, there were some good moments if you paid attention like the foreshadowing of Empress not having any ice cream here

I love it when mechs "skate" across the ground like a Dom. It's the coolest mecha trope and I'm so glad it's such a widespread phenomenon.

>>23489939
Love this shit.

Famitsu interview with Tsukuda and Kawamori
https://www.famitsu.com/article/202509/50032
>already talking about a third game

>>23490047
>already talking about a third game
Hm, this is kinda a red flag for me, usually means there are some things they're just purposely not included in the current game.

>played the demo
I literally got lost in a game for the first time. Every fucking place looks the same even when I can fly

>>23490350
As long as they don't scrap everything again, there's already a no-brainer idea for a sequel that simply couldn't be done in this one due to budget constraints.
DXM2 could have recycled/refined the DXM1 mechs while expanding on the on-foot gameplay. That didn't quite happen, but now DXM3 can reuse the suits of 2 while adding full custom mecha back in. I'd love that.

>>23490350
>>23490503
Also, hold up.
>1作目は大型のアーマー、2作目は小型のアーマー、3作目はメカ……といった感じで
So they don't even consider the original arsenals "mecha" enough? What the hell are we getting in 3 then?
>すべてのタイプを網羅し最終的にはプレイヤーが好きなスタイルを使えるようにするという目標があるんです。そういった理由から今回はアーマーにする必要がありました。
And this does seem to imply they ultimately want to give us more choice in the matter.

>>23490545
To be fair the OG Arsenals were already a sort of oversized power armor, they were pretty small, more or less Knightmare frame size and with a power armor-esque control setup.
I'm still not sure what to think of the Baikanfu twist of putting a power armor into a bigger mech Machine Robo style, but I don't think it's bad as much as it's a huge problem in terms of development and design since you need a lot more budget to also invest into customization for your "baikanfu" and balance it without annoying gimmicks like being gated behind a timer.
I dig the VF idea though, but again, it's something that's just too costly, I'd rather have them focus entirely on one of the two, either give us in depth powerarmor with cool movement tech like Warframe or VF style arsenals with a lot of cool configurations, if you try to do both at the same time you end up with too many issues.

Make sure you have a load out for ever weight type, some of these missions are locked to those weight types.

>>23463940 (OP)
I got up to the first mission and I'm going to echo the sentiments others said earlier: The game is not very fun. Movement's floaty, weapons don't feel good to use, hard mode's a joke... About the only thing I liked were the reactions I could give the MC.
>Bodytype
No sale from me.

>>23491070
No shit? I'll start making them right now

>>23491070
Thankfully, I do. I'm curious to know how they'll justify the requirements.

>>23491070
wait is this weight type or total weight?

>>23491182
Armor type, the description of the armor will say "lightweight" or "midweight". You need all 5 armor pieces under the same category or the quest wont advance.

>>23491196
Neat, I thought about preparing ahead of time but I figure I'll just make them when the game finally launches on steam...
think that's 3AM on the 5th.

>>23490545
If we consider the first game a testbed for future ideas, the on-foot combat could be considered the prototype of the second game's combat. So maybe that mission where you pilot Rebellion was a testbed for their "mecha" idea? Imagine piloting a huge mecha with a heavy arsenal piloted by a light arsenal and steadily losing layers as the fight goes on. Like >>23491018 said though, the development work to make that happen would be really costly. If they go that route then I have to assume whatever type of robot is the focus of the current game would be the most fleshed out while the other parts are just extras like what happened with the first and second games.

>>23491963
>piloting a huge mecha with a heavy arsenal piloted by a light arsenal

Apparently the deluxe edition has an expansion pack called "Into the Abyss"
>New Map Area - Investigation Zone: Locus Initi
Tackle new missions, battle never-before-seen bosses, and obtain new equipment.
>Coming: October - December 2025

>>23491196
and what quest would that be?

power armor not /m/ bait aside, I'm struggling to understand how you guys are putting up with this. Maybe I should try KBM, but the setting and premise has none of the things I want out of an /m/ game.

My future patch wishlist so far:
>more consistent weapon swapping so you don't have to always look at the popup in case they get shuffled for no reason
>option to always (or just in combat) strafe without locking onto anything
>at least one more general active skill slot
>mute MC option (both story and combat) from the start
>FoV slider
>transmog sets
>scale adjustment for some parts (at least just the arms)
>camera shake options for individual actions (can't see shit when quickboosting, but the rest is tolerable)

>>23490503
I could have sworn that some of the DXM2 armor pieces are dead ringers for DXM1 parts. I KNOW that some of the weapons are.

>>23490376
...There's a map. There's a Map Menu and Minimap. There's Zero excuse for getting lost.

>>23492205
Well what do you want from an /m/ game?

>>23487226
Cape DLC when?

>>23490047
>河森
>佃さんから本作の方針を聞いたときに、「思い切った決断をしたな」と驚かされるぐらい大胆な進化を遂げています。マニアックなたとえになりますが、プロペラつきのエンジンを搭載した飛行機が、ジェットエンジンを搭載した飛行機に進化するぐらいの飛躍をしています。
>前作と同じ世界観で2作目にも関わらず、ここまで大きく発展している作品というのはそこまで多くないと思います。すごく大胆な試みで、メカをデザインする側としても魅力的なチャレンジをすることができて、すごくおもしろかったです。

>>23492336
After playing the demo, I believe it. The first game did not feel finishedl. If they just made a sequel that was a more complete version of that then it'd probably be about 1.5x to 2x as good as the first game, but right off the bat this feels like it's at least 3x better just like Kawamori was saying.

>>23492244
>transmog sets
Isn't that already in? The weapon swapping and some of that other stuff bothers me too, but I get why they did it since you can arrange the weapons on your shoulder/hips however you want and you can't just tell what's where at a glance anymore. Something more intuitive/consistent would be nice though. I want to use the quick swap option so I can throw lances more easily, but cycling through the options works better in all other cases.

>>23487226
>>23492315
I want a cool scarf.

>>23492500
>Isn't that already in?
Disregard that, just realized you meant loadouts/favorites for transmog.

>>23492500
>I get why they did it since you can arrange the weapons on your shoulder/hips however you want and you can't just tell what's where at a glance anymore
Well the regular cycle swap is just useless, but when input "swap L > left", I expect to be able to repeat the same string to get the original weapon back where it was. Instead it often gets fucked up and gives me the weapon from the other shoulder instead. I don't really get why.

>>23492596
I noticed that too, which is why I ended up just using the cycle swap instead so I could eventually get the weapon I wanted. No idea why that happens either, but I hope they do something about it.

>>23492306
>shoulder cannons
>skating
>ridiculous but cool weapons
I think I wanted a tone that was more in line with votoms, or a military mecha anime. This game probably appeals more to 86's audience. in b8 terms it's
>shounenshit
but also I am an AC6 fan so you didn't like that game I suppose I understand if you disagree?

>>23492614
I understand not liking the tone, but it has all the things you listed.

>>23492205
>>23492614
>struggling to understand how you guys are putting up with this
I don't think it's complicated, people just don't want what you want, or at least are more willing to compromise.
DxM was never a gritty military story. It was an overly complex weird future alien clones setting where everyone was a one-note cartoon character. I just wouldn't expect anything else.

>>23492077
There are multiple, all side quests so far. NDA should be up for previews and reviews, but nothing for the story after chapter 12. From what I've done so far - Heavy armor has 3 quests where you carry boxes, not kidding. you carry boxes and put them down and it actually sucks. it's literally awful because half the time you can't put the box down where it wants you to cause there's stuff in the way, so you mash till it works and another quest where you put in a skill in the armor. Light armor has one, but you just kill stuff. There could be more, i haven't finished the game. I grinded out the arena.

>>23492681
Good lord that sounds awful, any monoeye heads?

It's over

>>23492842
To be fair, it runs like shit on the switch. That being said the story still sucks ass like the first.

>>23492614
>I am an AC6 fan
Vedditors out.

>>23492870
Vledditors?

>>23492842
>>23492865
What a shame I rather liked the demo I only played it on PC though.

>>23492614
>shoulder cannons
>skating
>ridiculous but cool weapons
It has all those, I don't understand what
>I think I wanted a tone that was more in line with votoms
...Okay, that's fair. I think we got closer to that since Arsenals aren't just for Reclaimer super mercenaries anymore but it's definitely more Shonen than Armored Core.

That being said, I don't understand why you expected an AC6 clone. If you want to play AC6 then go play AC6. It's an excellent game with plenty of replayability. Trying to go head to head with Fromsoft is just a losing proposition. First Studio was always going to make a more expressive and welcoming game than Armored Core because otherwise DXM2 was going to be another one of those Soulslike games that followed on DS3's wake.

>calling a videogame shonen
Normalfags out.

>>23492681
None of the reviews or previews that came out today mentioned this so...........

>>23492681
The fanfics are truly getting more elaborate nowadays
in any case none of what this anon says is true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0uBBEoZBw0

>>23493092
>>23493095
I'm not going to stop you from believing whatever you want.

>>23492681
What kinds of biomes are in the game that you've seen so far?

Demo had rocky desert and flesh swamp but are what else have you seen?

>>23493185
>Nowhere does it say recommended wight
I will because I actually reviewed this game as you can see here >>23493095 and I didn't see anything you talked about.

So is there more than one map?

DxM always felt like a mediocre handheld Armored Core with flashy graphics and that hasn't changed in the new game

>>23493221
>strongest arsenal

it alludes to it right there man, it literally stops you from continuing if you aren't in heavy armor. ive tried with my mid and lightweights. There's also quests like this.

>>23493313
>>23492778
I'm just hoping that we get a Gundam cross promotion so that I can FINALLY manifest the Gundam-type power armor series I've been imagining since I was in grade school.

>>23493238
I'm about to pick up my copy actually will have have enough parts to create every wight type for these side quests? and is it all of them or just a few

>>23493327
The guy is liar don't believe anything he says the screenshots are ai created nobody is even talking about the wight requirement thing

https://x.com/dxm_info/status/1963082021124624875
>211 weapons
I hope they've got an actual pilebunker fist in there somewhere.

>>23494426
I actually hope there's some ways to hide them so I can go full Steve Hermann since they don't really work or animate like pilebunkers outside of the weapon animation itself, you just deck a nigga really hard.
I also don't really like the twin fist charge, it doesn't really make sense.

Unless one of the other weapons impresses the shit out of me, this might just be my loadout into the full game

>>23490545
>What the hell are we getting in 3 then?
Better be mobile armor monstrosities

>>23494426
This pilebunkery enough, it's the closest one i found

>>23493313
Technically you could make a monoeye, multieye, visor out of any head with a max glow decal

>>23494831
Yeah, that'll work. Thanks anon

>>23494585
Now that you mention it, are all the two-handed attacks that same cross chop? Disappointing if so

played the demo and melee seems really powerful and didn't like it. How melee focused is this in mid and late game?

>>23494992
Just going based off the demo, guns seem way stronger than melee. Players are already finding ways to shoot with high mobility that'll stop most enemies from being able to hit you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8jbhZdJWjw
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r2XI3rIzWmc

>>23495186
What the fuck, I don't remember the laser rifle to be that fast.

>>23495203
Might be a different laser rifle, not sure. I think the arms can affect rapid fire capabilities? Those techniques work with almost any gun though (unsure about miniguns). The first one is just holding forward for momentum and then left/right to strafe jump. Also worth noting that the entire build is heavyweight aside from the legs there, which means the jump penalty for weight probably isn't harsh enough. The second one is jumping while boosting to maintain your boost and momentum while shooting without spending much femto.

Somehow the older Prototype 1, a Western game, made the feel of being a human-size powerhouse go better, even if you're playing without using the armor ability
I wish DxM2 just scratched this itch more. You should wall jump/wall run and automatically shoulder-tackle the fucks you sprint into. I'd trade the flight capability for this. Demo felt like MMORPG Death Stranding with flight.

>>23495274
It's also really clippy and restrictive with melee combat movement and grabs, not unlike in the prequel. If there's something DxM shouldn't have ever picked up from Armored Core/FromSoftware, then it's this way to handle melee.

>>23495186
>Oldgen AC bunnyhops are back with a vengeance
WE ONLY NEED THE TRULY STRONG

>>23495290
The melee could definitely be better, but I'm glad we've at least moved past the boring single-hit melee from the first game. The skill system seems like it'll make that a bit more interesting at least

>>23492681
So is there any benefit to staying pure human and not using the mutations?

>>23495274
>automatically shoulder-tackle the fucks you sprint into
I hope there's a passive skill that lets you ram into things when boosting with damage based on weight

>>23495274
>You should wall jump/wall run and automatically shoulder-tackle the fucks you sprint into. I'd trade the flight capability for this
V/VD, my beloved, had wall jumps, and the western fanbase crucified it.

>>23495886
Speed freaks hated it because it was hard to manipulate the controls and it was vastly slower. I love 4th gen, I really do, but 5th gen scratched an itch close to VOTOMS and even beyond it. I'm sad it tried to regulate itself to multiplayer, but it's system for it and territory invasions, not to mention the world bosses(I wish it didn't die when the online plug got pulled), felt pretty good despite some massive lag and technical issues(I wish I played on PS3 just cause of international play). 5th gen also had that boxy scrapped armor look that no other mech game had at the time with KE and CE parts and TE heavy parts had that giant, bulbous yet smooth design I would in 80's and 90's mecha. Also had one of the sexiest, if not THE BEST, mono eye design, the HD-223 RAIKO/HB-141. Anyways enough ranting.

>>23494831
Hey anon. Could you provide some energy weapons like more laser rifles and whatnot? Is there a laser bazooka?

>>23495203
Possibly has rapid fire attachments.

>>23495987
People always say 5th gen was "vastly slower", but I feel like outside of the unlimited energy regulation in 4 Answer, 5th gen could be just as fast if you also built for speed like in 4A. I particularly remember in regular V building a lightweight for pvp and going to fast that it was actually impractical to utilize as I would quickboost/walljumping so fast it would nearly put me off screen and always going too far to position properly to land any shots. I imagine you could go even faster in VD on a lightweight. I did play VD, but got it late and didn't invest as much time in it over V.

>>23496908
V and VD had an inertia effect that I don't think any mecha games matched(I would really like to be proven wrong). Sure 4 started with it something similar, but the way it was in 5th gen was more polished and weighty, even with the light weights. VD also fixed alot of substantial shit and it was just like 4 into 4A, going even faster. Also the QB felt more powerful due to effects and weight mechanics.
>>23495417
Probably as story progression? Ya know like in story people comment how you stick to being human as close as possible all the way to the end. DxM never had that and the only choices were the endings itself.

>>23463940 (OP)
I'm completely new to mecha vidya and all these numbers/customization is scary
Is this a good game to start with? Or should I try with the first game?
I want to try playing a fast zippy mech.

I played AC6 a while back but that was basically just playing "more gun", just went as hvy as possible and cleared the game easily.

>>23497268
There's a free demo

>>23497704
Press start
Click skip scene.

the price for the digital deluxe edition was fucking ridiculous on steam. i got my copy off cdkeys.

>releases at midnight my time
I hate it.

>>23496807
The closest thing to a laser bazooka i think would be the charge laser cannons that are shoulder mounted

>>23499040
Fuck yeah. Thank you anon.
>>23498478
Nice. It was only 60 bucks right?

>>23499040
It sucks they didn't add another shoulder slot. I'm sure the handheld weapons will be better this time around, but I would still trade one or two of those for being able to mount missiles and a laser cannon at the same time.

Launch trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPHELnyg4Q

>>23499169
>年を取ったな、レイヴン

How much multiplayer content are there to justify me not pirating this game?

>>23499313
I'm pretty sure everything in the game can be done co-op.

I'm pretty sure you can get this right after the demo because all of this is found in the desert. not sure what the mastery cap is, but my highest is at 20 and it's still going.

It's up

>>23499051
>only 60 bucks right?
if only exchange rates were so similar, and that tax didn't exist- but it still worked out at a $18 discount compared to steam.

>Key from CD keys still didn't arrive
Go on without me brothers

>>23499733
>Key from CD keys
People still fall for this scam??

>first mission post demo gives me the special move for laser swords that I wanted
>it fucks up my shoulders and now I gotta walk around naked

I hate this system so much holy shit. If I reset all fusions from my character and just add the one to get this skill, will I still get fucked up or just get the tattoos?

>>23500369
If you haven't got the tattoos, pretty sure your second install will always be the tattoos first

>>23500369
There's apparently a version of the default outfit that hides all the mutations in postgame. No idea if the DLC outfits got something similar

>>23500398
Oh hope this is real. It´s be great, even if I have to wait for the postgame to be able to go nuts with upgrades

>>23499783
Games 15% off on GMG, considering getting it now.
Please tell me the game actually gets difficult later on because even on hard mode I was steamrolling everything in the demo.

>>23500398
the financially irresponsible editions suit takes priority. But things l.ike face/shoulders still get tatted/augmented.

>>23500398
It's real, if you saw the /v/ thread, that was my post. I don't have the DLC outfits so I can't confirm or deny that.

>>23500554
So, do I have to finish the story to unlock this?

>>23500584
Yes, you'll see the option at the scrap person after the credits. It reverts you to before the finale, so the final mission will be stuck on your screen.

>>23500592
Good to know. By the way, is there stuff to do for postgame?

>>23500606
Reskinned bosses for gear grind. Thing is, you can set the game to story and burn through the bosses since they have a similar drop rate to hard. You'd think getting better gear would prep you for harder bosses, but there's no bonus for playing on hard. I haven't seen any new attacks or AI patterns on story compared to hard. So it's kinda disappointing that you can burn it all on the easiest.

Though it could lock some gear behind hard that I haven't earned, but I don't think that's the case.

There's still the boring card game, the really shitty races, and mediocre side missions. There's also "dungeons". dunno if they're randomly generated, I did like 3 and stopped.

I see they are adding Omega bosses for free like with the previous game.

>>23500616
Hope we get more to do. There´s an expansion planned so here´s hoping it´s endgame content. What difficulty would you say is the best to play? I really hate games that can´t decide on a fine tunned difficulty and has tons of options. Alas, that´s the case. I went normal for the demo, but outside of being careless around the giant bosses I was never at risk and things died quite fast

>>23500647
play on hard. stuff really takes a chunk out of you.

Don't have a good scanning solution available but in the art book that comes with the physical limited edition, the first page of art is an honest to god dead ringer for a classic era Armored Core design and I just think it's funny how even with the downsizing to power armor you can't get Shoji Kawamori to not draw an AC. Like, it's the same goddamn proportions and perspective that he's used for actual Armored Core mechanical illustrations, too.

Jesus fucking christ the game comes with a mini guide booklet in the physical release, that's actually really cool.
It's essentially an instruction manual minus explaining controls, but even so I'm only used to seeing those come with LRG releases, so that's cool.

Nice translation, Marvelous.

>>23500826
Okay, I thought that was only me. I got jump scared by that same weapon in Japanese too.

>>23500826
>>23500830
there's probably a steam forum thread for bugs and shit like that

>>23500826
>not MARVELOUS translation
one jerb

>>23500826
>memory of the forest "
>dead for the memorable place in the forest
>not in the forest

>>23500958
uh oh

>>23500964
oops. lol whatever now you know who i am. not that it's any secret. I used to host the ExVs FB rooms

Anyone in the forest see a sword grave? I'm gonna go fucking nuts.

Is performance any better in the full release? I heard stuff about a day 1 patch but can't find anything concrete.

>>23501034
Not really, I'd say it's about the same. I still get stutters here and there. I haven't had any huge issues, it's been fine outside of the stuttering.

I guess I didn't read the beacon pop up correctly, how do they work once you repair them?

a lot of weapons in this game feel really bad.

Nanomachine power armor that disappear and reappear are lame.

Lightweights feel fucking ATROCIOUS in this game.

>>23501258
They don't feel significantly faster than heavyweights but are very fragile.

>>23501258
because boost speed does nothing and you have -% movement speed in the air even with shit tons of modifiers.

like what the fuck is the movement in this game, it is so fucking bad between weight types.

>>23501258
>>23501269
They tried to correct the problem the first one had where leg parts were useless since everyone stayed in the air 24/7 and just grabbed the fattest heaviest legs in the game just for huge defense and ended up correcting TOO hard.

>>23501258
just put on heavyweight and then transmog your gear to lightweight if you wanna use lightweight

Where do you go to change your name?

>>23501477
Player settings

>>23501477
Beats me, spent like 20 minutes trying to figure that out and gave up.

>optional boss that eats your weapons and doesn't give them back


why?

>>23501513
>He didn't play DxM1
lol

>>23501532
I do not remember Eclipse eating your weapons.

>>23501538
It absolutely did if you let him give you the SUCC

>>23501540
well he's back and still splits, shit autosaved.

>>23501542
Use weapon arms broski

>>23501543
>level 1 mastery
>have none with attachment slots

I beat him, but damn it sucks that I lost my good gun.

>>23501545
Wait, he SUCCs them in this one and you don't even get them back when the fight is over? THAT one is new, in DxM1 you got them back afterwards. What the fuck? Lmao

>>23501487
...where do you access that menu?

>>23501556
NTA but no idea, I spent forever looking myself.

>>23501532
dominator and eclipse black hole didn't perma remove your weapon from the game

>>23501559
No but it did remove it for the fight.

>>23501549
It went to the hangar, oh thank christ lmao. scared the shit out of me when it autosaved after the fight and there was nothing on his body.

>>23501556
in the status screen, then hit whatever "select" is on your controller.

Why is the story just as nonsensical the first one?

>>23501565
Okay yeah same as DXM1 then, you had me for a second there it'd have been horse shit if the fucker deleted your weapons entirely.

>>23501571
I don't recall it at all because I barely played it. You saying that reminded me to check my hangar. So thanks. lol

Alright question. How often can you pop the heavy armor

>>23501591
I'm like eight hours in and haven't even unlocked it yet.

When do you unlock the random axiom facilities dungeons? That seemed like a cool part of the game based on the trailer.

Do AI Arsenals ever run out of Femto or can they just keep up their abilities forever?

>>23501591
I popped mine and timed it, give or take about 12 minutes cause it took 6 to get to the halfway point. I don't know if the starter one is on a shorter cooldown, I'm using Toby's over the default one

>>23501611
It's too early for technical questions like this man. This is datamine level shit.

Are there any consequences for unlocking too many skills via fusion? Does it get you a bad end or something like that?

>>23501637
It can make you look really ugly. That's about it.

my personal end game is going to be attempting to get all the proper mutations to get the appearance I want. And buddy, it's going to be expensive.

>>23501646
Sorry, I meant besides making your character look ugly. But it's good that it still works that way.
There was an interview with the devs that warned players not to do too much Fusion.

Is there anyway to make the screen zoom closer to your character?

So who the hell let this asshole on the dev team so now I have to do a bike race that either goes swimmingly or you hit a slight bump that sends you down a slow chain reaction of you ending up off the bike and 3000 feet in the air?

>>23501708
Wait till you have to race against the car, the bike, and the horse all at once. There are like 78 rings and the fastest option is the bike. I haven't been that mad in a while.

>>23501258
ultra-lightweight is fucking crack dude
Going back to medium or heavy for missions fucking hurts

And I've got a funny build planned for end game that will only really work with an ultralightweight build

>>23501708
You can use the wing shift on the bike and it can send you flying if you hit anything.

>>23501715
> and the fastest option is the bike.
Shouldn't wing shifted horse be faster?
It's certainly a lot easy to control as well

>>23501747
Is it faster than the upgraded bike? I'm pretty sure the upgraded bike is the fastest. Since the tradeoff is if it touches anything other than flat ground; you flip a coin on whether you restart or not.

Anyone know if my boy Zeruchroar made it into this one?

I am going to use this game to scratch my Anthem itch. Nothing else has come close so far with the flying and power armor.

>>23501753
Maybe. I've only fully upgraded the first bike and the second bike feels faster. So once I upgrade that...
Wait do we eventually get a horse we can summon from vehicles? Kinda want that.

>>23501799
I meant the second bike, yeah.
Yes you get a horse, I believe it's Yaiba's when you beat him or from racing the samurai guy. I don't remember.