>Invents heavy music
Imagine a world where Iommi quit guitar after his finger accident, there would have been no heavy music...

>>126878161 (OP)
Deep Purple would have done it instead

Imagine if Tony Iommi just stayed with Jethro Tull, and stuck to playing bass.....

But enough about Cream

>>126878175
fpbp, deep purple in rock was being made at the exact same time as black sabbath's debut
>>126878205
not metal lul

Jimi Hendrix or Led Zeppelin would've gotten the credit for it anyway....or The Beatles with Helter Skelter

>invents tritones

Babylonians want their heavy music credit.

>>126878161 (OP)
blocks your path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzY5i8zHWdw

>>126878262
it has the dark atmosphere of metal down but that's about it, i hear little; if any metal here

>>126878262
there's definitely some early metal riffing here, whenever the song gets slow (the majority of it outside of the chorus) it brings to mind the title track off black sabbath's debut and has a lot of the same trademarks

but this record is from late 1970, so i wouldn't even rule it being influenced by sabbath out either

>>126878409
Yeah that's usually the case with a lot of these claims about what 'heavy' music is. Having a dark 'heavy' atmosphere is one thing but that in itself doesn't make something metal.

>>126878175
Maybe so but 'In Rock' still has a lot of that old 60s rock sound to it similar to Zep, the first Sabbath album does on some songs too but the title track and a few of the others have something unique for that time.

>>126878498
*Forgot to add
And when Master of Reality came out literally nothing sounded like that.

>>126878498
I'm not denying that Black Sabbath is Black Sabbath, I'm just saying that Deep Purple could have done it in their absence.

>>126878161 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXRBLyLQtiM

>>126878511
>Maybe so but 'In Rock' still has a lot of that old 60s rock sound to it
Not as much as Zeppelin, I only hear it (and this is mainly due to the Vanilla Fudge-esque organ) on some segments of Speed king, Flight of the Rat, and Living Wreck.. And the first two i'd only think they were from the '60s because of Jon Lord's style of playing organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4U1p1WQU4&pp=ygUaZGVlcCBwdXJwbGUgaGFyZCBsb3ZpbiBtYW4%3D and you also have to remember, that there's also material on that record you would NEVER assume was from the '60s like this song right here

>And when Master of Reality came out literally nothing sounded like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5qYBhacTLo&pp=ygULc2F0b3JpIHB0IDE%3D Flower Travellin' Band - Satori Pt. 1.
Granted, this song (and album) is from the same general timeframe as MoR and is very clearly influenced by Black Sabbath.

>>126878581
Okay I'll give you this one, I'm giving this a listen right now and this is VERY, VERY heavy for 1967 and I hear trad doom riffing all over this song. Though most people don't say Sabbath invented outright invented metal. I think most metalheads would agree there are metal songs before 1970, it's just that Sabbath released the first consistently metal record.

>>126878648
>it's just that Sabbath released the first consistently metal record
They didn't emerge out of the mist of course, and like anything else, things are shared by unrelated parts of a given context. Black Sabbath is arguably worthy of the title more than the other because it wasn't only about the sound.

>>126878161 (OP)
Not really. As people already mentioned you had Deep Purple. Blue Cheer was already heavy asf. Zeppelin already had 2 albums out. Helter Skelter was out, and Hendrix had been doing his thing.

>>126878696
>Black Sabbath is arguably worthy of the title more than the other because it wasn't only about the sound.
This is more or less my stance, though personally I always include Deep Purple. Black Sabbath brought the heavy, Deep Purple brought the metal, if you get what I mean.

>>126878729
>Blue Cheer was already heavy asf
Not metal, I'll call it proto-metal and two songs off Vincebus do get close, but that's it.
>Zeppelin already had 2 albums out
And there's only 1-2 songs on each that even resemble metal.
>Helter Skelt-
no.
>and Hendrix had been doing his thing.
Influential on heavy metal no doubt, but he was influential on just about every form of heavy, guitar-driven music.

>>126878581
nice

>>126878581
That's the only one I've heard that legitimately sounds like metal guitar, surprising to hear it that early on.

>>126878531
>Deep Purple could have done it in their absence.
i disagree, deep purple is called deep purple because they are not as dark black sabbath. their names set the presidence of their character. It was all arranged to begin with.

>>126881347
*dark as

>>126881347
based

>>126878175
but look at the albums they released after In Rock. nowhere near as heavy.

The Lucifer's Friend debut is pretty fuckin heavy for the time and the first Uriah Heep album is too

>>126882813
>nowhere near as heavy
Fireball, sure, but Machine Head has plenty of metal on it. Highway Star, Pictures of Home, Space Truckin', shit you can also include Smoke on the Water as borderline as that song is.

>>126882826
yeah i'll give you that, fair point
i'll add that Uriah Heep's second and third albums match and sometimes beat Purple in heaviness.

>>126882989
>Uriah Heep's second and third albums match and sometimes beat Purple in heaviness.
Uh... I guess? Look at Yourself is a freakin' heavy song, and Rainbow Demon is surely heavy (though it only has elements of metal i'd argue) too, but I can't name many more outside of those two. I admit it's been a while since I listened to those two records but that's all that sticks out in my head.

Forgot one more song lol. "Shadows of Grief" is probably Heep's heaviest song outside of Bird of Prey. :P

>>126883036
Shadows of Grief is actually King Diamond's favourite song.

>>126883043
Oh I hear a lot of influence on Mercyful Fate and KD in just this very song lol, it's clear those guys were big Heep fans. Love that descending main riff, sounds so killer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79AQqjbEFU&pp=ygUbdXJpYWggaGVlcCBzaGFkb3dzIG9mIGdyaWVm

>>126883063
Iron Maiden loved heap too. NWOBH was influenced by the likes of Heep, Budgie, UFO, Scorpions

>>126878581
Well shit, that really does sound like trad doom

STFU about "deep purple", retards. JUDAS FUKKKING PRIEST exists.

>>126884555
Yeah and didn't release anything until fucking 1974 dude.

>>126878245
Nobody listens to Babylonian music.

>>126878161 (OP)
>Imagine a world where Iommi quit guitar after his finger accident, there would have been no heavy music...
No thanks.

>>126884555
judas priest didn't release sad wings of destiny until 1976 lol, it's better to group them in with the rest of the second wave like rainbow, scorpions, and riot

>>126886562

>>126878205
How does a country full of inbreds create so many legendary bands? It doesn't make sense. Why are the uptight British citizens creating so many awesome metal bands?

I don't listen to new music. Are they still based?

>>126878161 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHayaGT1X0

>>126878220
So was Randy Holden's absolutely incredible Population II. In fact, this song, Fruit and Icebergs, appeared on Blue Cheer's New! Improved! in 1969.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QId2humOOo

There's a lot of very special heavy music from the early 70s, but most of it was very heavily influenced by Black Sabbath. But Deep Purple, Randy Holden and a small group of certainly draw from some similar cosmic stardust.

>>126893345
I'm going to take the opportunity to post some very heavy hard rock and early metal. I'll post it chronologically. Hope you enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orPrRGRWEHc
1971 - Bag - Nothing Will Remain

Interesting psychedelic band from the Netherlands with very little output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gURiVS2cpJg
1972 - Jerusalem - Primitive Man

Caveman music produced by Deep Purple's Ian Gillan. Really fun - there are times when it feels like it skipped the 70s and 80s and went straight to the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TUkxrrDiUc
1972 - Ruja - Tütarlaps Kloaagis

I simply cannot explain this song. Bizarre, experimental, depressing and heavy. Apparently this was a pretty big band in Estonia, but I kind of doubt this was one of their hits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HCh7JMQ3g
1973 - Blast - Damned Flame

Hesitant to post this one because it kind of sucks, but it's got a massive energy and heaviness for the era. Fascinating, but not very listenable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKS5Tw7mlk4
1974 - Pentagram - 20 Buck Spin

Most people here probably know Pentagram and what Bobby Liebling went on to do in the 80s. This is a 1974 recording of one of their classic 80s songs; a rendition from as early as 1971 exists in the form of "Crucified". Part of what makes this song so heavy is that the bassist, Greg Mayne, is playing chords.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4TlPfYcDs
1974 - The Groundhogs - Sad Go Round

A slow, heavy song from the Groundhogs' seventh album. The band was fairly big in Britain, but this album didn't make much of a dent in the charts. Maybe the novelty of heaviness was wearing off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQGUr-Zs6Fo
1975 - Pure Hell - Wild One

All-black punk band from Detroit recording very heavy and ominous music for the era. They would later rerecord it in much higher fidelity in the late 70s.

>>126893640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Agr6ta5hE
1975 - Riot - Warrior (Demo)

Riot released Warrior on their debut album in 1977, but this extremely rare demo from 1975 of what is probably the first power metal song is an interesting look at the nascent genre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OxmzvH0NNw
1978 - Lazer - Demon's Daughter

At this point, we're at actual metal. There was a small but hardcore heavy rock scene in Texas that seemed to be several years ahead of the curve; this is one of the craziest examples. Check out bands like Axxe, Ultra, Overload.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch6tT9Z9FIc
1978 - Angel Witch - Baphomet (Demo)

A demo of Angel Witch's Baphomet, which appears on their 1980 self-titled debut. I have to imagine this was the heaviest music recorded in the 70s. Unfathomably heavy for the era, and it owes a lot to Black Sabbath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jdb9l4hJTY
1979 - Squadran - The Wall

A band from New York that was just a little too ahead of their time and failed to launch. Could definitely be characterized as speed metal.

Let me know if you're interested in more weird, interesting heavy rock and early metal. I've got a lot.

>>126893345
>>126893640
>>126893648
Thanks for the effortposts. Will check them out.

>>126893648
great stuff, Im 60 and Ive never heard of any of these bands. where did you find all this? are you old enough to have been into metal in the 70s?

>>126895034
>>126897143
Nah, I work as a composer and listen to a ton of music. Over the last ~20 years, there's been a sort of renaissance for lost 70s music because of the internet, and a lot of these bands have been able to reissue their music or in some cases, completely revive their careers.

I'm glad there's interest in this old music. I'll post a few more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWXD-HDkck4
1966 - The Sons of Adam - You're a Better Man Than I

What starts as a heavy but fairly standard cover of The Yardbirds' You're a Better Man Than I turns into what might be the heaviest song of '66 thanks to Randy Holden's explosive guitar playing. Randy Holden is a lost prophet of heaviness - look up his story. It's tragic and fascinating, with a well-deserved happy ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I58ogZEwBes
1970 - Demian - Todd's Tune

This band is probably better known as Bubble Puppy, who had a minor hit with Hot Smoke & Sasafrass. A not-quite-as-heavy version of this song is on their 1969 debut album.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNgos_-T0UQ&list=RDRNgos_-T0UQ&start_radio=1
1972 - Ter (Erkin Koray) - Hor Görme Garibi

Unlike everything else I've posted, Erkin Koray is huge. He's considered the father of rock in Turkey, and is a national icon. Ter is a group he was part of in the early 70s that released only one record, but it includes this massive song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coWFGH9PYvk
1973 - Slowbone - The Last Goodbye

Hard rock from the UK. The song features a monumental buildup that explodes to a heavy but brief crescendo.

>>126897956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-VlkQtw1pQ
~1974 - Arktis - Y.T.T.

Psychedelic krautrock group from Germany. This song was released on an album full of unpublished demo recordings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIEEzuI3P-4
1976 - Ginbae - Anne of Green Gables

Heavy rock from Japan. Their whole album is extremely catchy glam rock; this song veers into proto-metal territory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvIo6msKNMk
1978 - Pagan Altar - The Black Mass (Demo)

Demo of the doom metal song The Black Mass, which was rerecorded and released in 1982. Pagan Altar is kind of neat because it was a father and son band. Clearly owes a lot to Black Sabbath.

>>126897962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsHlhPNEivM
1972 - Night Sun - Living With the Dying

I can't believe I forgot this krautrock masterpiece. Unbelievably ominous and dark for the era. Man, I really miss organs in rock.

>>126878245
>>126885954
SO, wheres some bablyonian tritone music on youtube?

>>126882823
The only thing i remember from the first uriah heep album is gypsy.
>>126882989
>>126883022
Rainbow demon is definitely a metal song. It's not the dark kind though, its more mysterious in terms of the vibe the instrumentals give.

If we compare it to (early) black sabbath, it's closer to something like the wizard or maybe NIB.
Rather than their darker stuff like black sabbath, hand of doom, or electric funeral.

>>126878161 (OP)
They didnt invent shit.They came too late to the party,their 1st album released in 1970.In the late 60s there were a bunch of bands that released metal albums and Sabbath were influenced by them.Maybe if they released their album in like 1965,but nah they were just too late.

>>126898253
They didn't invent SHIT! Only a secret underground band that only I know about invented it, and I'm NOT going to share it with you!!

>>126878161 (OP)
The Beatles invented it with I Want You (She's So Heavy).

>>126898253
I know you smoked yourself way beyond retarded with weed in high school, but this is embarrassing shit all the same.

>>126890023
We've established ourselves as the superior people at literally everything under the sun. Best at war and conquering, best at inventing, best at music and the arts, best at writing (literature), best at comedy, we are simply superior to all. The only thing people have us on is food, as Italy has the rest of the world beat on that front. But traditional British food is all you really NEED to eat a healthy balanced diet: Meat, veg, and potato, those three things are all you need.

>>126898579
>>126898602
Bands that released heavy metal albums in the late 60s before the sabbath 1st album: Iron Butterfly,Cream,Deep Purple,Blue Cheer,Led Zeppelin,The Yardbirds.

>>126898784
Listen man, I hear you. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you're making out, and none of those bands released "metal" albums, but undeniably they played their part. I said above and I'll repeat here, for Black Sabbath's claim to metal, it isn't only about the music, but also the ethos - the imagery, the lyrical content, all that stuff, coupled with the music. That gives them a debatably slightly larger role, but it isn't neat.

>>126898809
Listen, I appreciate this post. I appreciate what you're trying to say to this person. But this is an ~105-110 IQ take. The barrier to entry is too high for this guy. This guy just isn't capable of parsing its 10th grade-level nuance.

>>126898784
Not a single one of these albums is majority heavy metal, and half of them (Iron Butterfly, Cream, The Yardbirds) have ZERO heavy metal on them. Try again.

is soulseek down for anyone else? I've been trying to find sabotage rips but it keeps giving me no results

>>126899520
why not just use youtube? they have the offical uploads

>>126899609
because I want to put it on my ipod

>>126899520
Works for me

>>126899772
wtf am I doing wrong

>>126899803
Could be a lot of things, it's buggy. Are you using the newest version? You logged in? Did you check the router ports? Shitty as it is, you may simply need to reinstall it.

>>126899831
reinstalling it did it. Weird, it was working just fine a week ago

>>126899867
Don't sweat it, it's been this way since at least 2002 when I started using it (it's over for me). It's almost comforting at this point.

oppa gangnam style

>>126885519
>>126887234
what was the first wave?


I'll note that scorpions formed in 1965 and their first album came out in 1972
Another second wave might be motorhead. They were formed in 1975 and their first album came out in 1977.

>>126898784
>Bands that released heavy metal albums in the late 60s before the sabbath 1st album: Iron Butterfly,Cream,Deep Purple,Blue Cheer,Led Zeppelin,The Yardbirds.
why does everyone forget Mountain? They were the hardest metal band of the late 60s and even played at Woodstock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3OrNJn0koQ