Thread 127411802

Bach Edition

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=82C-k1rDB5U

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalge

Previous: >>127398666

First for Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqJMWIlRRtU

maho more like my whore

Bellini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0_D65bedTc

>>127411802 (OP)
>Western (European)
slavophiles on life support

>>127411802 (OP)
Good lad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbl5Lsmb8IM

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo45UoRcsU

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjc0uPwR3A

>>127411850
Their women are hot, thoughbeit

>>127411969
Undeniably. Slavophiles however are pasty turbovirgins who cope with their lack of a pretty, kind, submissive Nadja or Shura or Tatiana to satisfy their every whim by obsessing over slavic, and particular russian anything. Even if it's crap, like Rachmanletoff or Shotakonbitch

>>127411802 (OP)
link error
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

don't you find it condescending and obtuse to still refer to native americans as indians and their culture as indigenous
they're not from india
anyway, classical music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=o42phA-Y0vU

>>127412133
do you think this was recorded in one go or did it have to be edited for piss breaks and such

>>127412176
I've played music for that long before without break but I don't know what Sorabji's music might do to a healthy bladder. Maybe it acts as a diuretic.

>>127412013
Maybe if you stopped gooning to tranime and fucked Russian women instead, you would be less of a surly Joe.

>>127412276
all I can hear is "my ugly mutt ass couldn't get moya zhena to look my way so I'll take it out on weebs on the internet"
Here, have some music for that feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8

I was learning Tristesse etude, learned most of A section, but gave up because my voicing is shit and it sounds terrible, it's hard to bring out melody with pinky and ring finger, and the electronic keyboard I have is terrible so I can't practice voicing when I'm at home.

I decided to learn Bach's E minor fugue now, figured they didn't have pianos in baroque era anyway and voicing isn't that important, in fact I might use harpsichord sound to be more authentic.
Any other self-taught pianists here?

>>127412453
kill yourself, faggot. this isn't your blog.

>>127411802 (OP)
Bach, Humbuch

>This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:

404 Not found, wayback machine doesn't have it either. could anyone recommend alternatives or have some of it archived or something?

>>127412453
I'll give you a ring finger.

>>127412860
Whine more bitch

>>127412937
>>127412115

>>127412860
Okay. It's still a classical thread

>>127412453
There are two E minor fugues.
Do you mean BWV 548 or BWV 855?

>>127412937
>>127412115

>>127413264
855, it has two voices and shouldn't be too hard. Besides, I did learn one minuet and two-part invention (not fully though). All it takes is enough motivation to get through the entire fugue(and maybe even prelude, both are nice). I have an actual WTC first book, which motivates me as well, because I used to learn everything from pdfs looking at my phone screen...lol

Last night was Tchaikovsky's Rococo Variations and Beethoven's 4th symphony.

I do not care for the Rococo Variations, so it was mostly fairly boring for me. However the performance of the 4th symphony was superb. It was taken fairly close to Beethoven's metronome marks, but with a full blooded orchestra, with full vibrato, and lots of whacking on the timpani and VERY loud brass. The acoustic at Tanglewood obviously favors the brass big time. I do think that ultimately it will probably sound more boring in the live broadcast because I can imagine the engineers turning down the volume. The conductor was Dima Slobodeniouk, who I had never heard of before, but it really was a very good performance of Beethoven's 4th.

>>127413914
>>127410122
Very cool, thanks for sharing. How much do these tickets cost if you don't mind me asking?

>>127413925
Depends. The ones for the Schubert were 75 a piece. I think for the Beethoven it was around the same but it depends on how good your seats are.

>>127413937
Was it almost all old people?

>>127414075
I would say about 70% old people, did see a few young people around my age, but not too many. I had to help one lady start her car, she was very confused...
However, the Schubert Quintet had more young people (still mostly old, though)

BARTLET
Do you know what they're playing?

CHARLIE
I'm sorry, sir?

BARTLET
The Reykjavik Symphony. Do we know what they're playing and for how long they're playing it?

CHARLIE
[looking at program] It says here 'an evening of modern music.'

BARTLET
Turn the car around.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'The orchestra features 90 pieces, including anvils and castanets.'

BARTLET
Turn the car around.

CHARLIE
Modern music is cool.

BARTLET
Modern music sucks. Anything written after 1860 sucks.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'Samuel Barber, Symphony No. 2.'

BARTLET
Sucks.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'Stravinsky, Variations on a Theme.'

BARTLET
Sucks.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'Schoenberg, Enlightened Night for String Orchestra.'

BARTLET
Totally blows.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'After intermission, they'll be performing the world premiere of a piece...'

BARTLET
Played on teapots and gefilte fish.

CHARLIE
[reading] '...by a new Icelandic composer.' They told me he got so nervous when he heard you were coming that he was rewriting the piece until 6 o'clock.

BARTLET
If he wants more time, I'd be happy to take a rain check.

CHARLIE
I thought you liked classical music.

BARTLET
This is not classical music. It is not classical music if the guy finished writing it this afternoon.

--- "Galileo," S2E09 of The West Wing

finally beginning to love Beethoven's Hammerklavier :) still distant on beginning to grasp the structural design and musical nuances of its compositional architecture tho

>>127412013
>Rachmanletoff
>6'6"
>Manlet

now playing

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7PhUUgxtGI&list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ&index=2

start of Janáček: On an Overgrown Path, JW VIII/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fm_Bfh7bAI&list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ&index=3

Scriabin: 2 Poèmes, Op. 32: No. 1 in F-Sharp Major. Andante cantabile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJg1_v-gATY&list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ&index=13

Scriabin: Vers la flamme, Poème for Piano, Op. 72
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YBHORfUBVI&list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ&index=14

start of Janáček: Piano Sonata 1.X.1905, JW VIII/19 "From the Street"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M4oVGZ8qhE&list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ&index=15

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 4 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gTaT77kaEo&list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ&index=16

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lCJa62MDPwBH3PR9-LPxYGr_QmfARbJPQ

>The music of Scriabin and Janacek, two contrasting and highly eccentric composers that are dear to Stephen Hough's heart, makes for a perfect recital. The sensual perfumes of the one intertwine with the disruptive obsessions of the other as Hough, ever the magician, casts his spell.

>The highlight...is Janáceks 'On an Overgrown Path' book one, played with such inward feeling that one hardly dares to breathe simple, tender, pure magic. --4 Stars, Financial Times

Stephen Hough is so good, and incredibly prolific. Surely one of the great performing pianists of our time.

>>127414654
Dvorak was Orson Welles' father? :O

>>127414544
Read Rosen's analysis on it. It's pretty helpful.

>>127413914
> Beethoven's 4th symphony.
BSO played all Beethoven symphonies at the start of the year, if you attended by any chance, how did it compare?

Also are you going to any BSO concerts 25/26? Celebrity series? Anything in particular you're waiting for?

By the way, Eroica will be played in Boston upcoming Wednesday https://www.landmarksorchestra.org/events/current-season/beethoven-revolution/

While Berman's legendary Liszt Annees de pelerinage is still pretty good today, I think it's a prime example of a classic recording from an age with less options that's since been supplanted and betted by several more recent and wonderfully performed recordings. There's just so many great options now, all of them different, all of them better suited to perfectly satisfy whatever ideal interpretive preference the listener holds. Even for the recordings meant to satisfy the most people as possible, which is where Berman's falls, there are better sets now. All I know is when I listen to one of those aforementioned great options, I am consistently wowed, whereas with Berman's, in the face of comparison, I am no longer.

>>127414808
I do not usually attend concerts. I am in Boston for family business so this was one of the only times I've seen them live. However, I have heard Nelson's Beethoven 4th before and it was not as good as the performance I heard last night. Once my family business concludes I'm outta here, but I may return next year because Tanglewood is pretty neat. We'll see.

now playing, last one for the morning

start of Schubert: 6 Moments musicaux, D. 780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kD5F-1UmOk&list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg&index=15

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C Minor, D. 958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rltaRkIb53M&list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg&index=21

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 20 in A Major, D. 959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y0Wb_njB3o&list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg&index=25

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21 in B-Flat Major, D. 960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6iS1wCR0wI&list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg&index=37

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg

This Lupu Schubert set is the introverted interpretative inverse of Paul Lewis' Schubert recording yesterday. Nice to hear two divergent approaches to the same masterpieces.

>>127414904
what is your favorite recording?

>>127414904
Ciccolini's was always the best

>>127414904
That's a lot of words to explain absolutely nothing about why you don't like this performance anymore.

>>127414980
I have several on regular rotation because like I said they're all different and I enjoy hearing Annees in a different way each time I listen to it, but if I had to pick only one set to listen to for the rest of my life, it'd without a doubt be Rubackyte's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAzxhFd_4TQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8U0POVu6b7VvQX04nBrS6idiIw6JAPv4&index=7

This is one of those "good for all moods" sets too (compared to, say, Angelich's meditative approach with extremely slow tempos or Muraro's very French set or Gorus' soft and gentle approach). Doesn't get better than that.

>>127415017
There are better ones, that's all.

>>127415013
>Ciccolini
I genuinely don't think I've listened to his recordings of anything ever!

>>127415025
What the hell does "very French" mean lol

>>127415089
It's a distinctive delicate, airy, prancing sound. All I know is when I listen to certain French pianists, particularly when they're playing non-French music which makes the contrast more pronounced, they exhibit a similar style and sound.

Here's from Muraro's Annees, for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiqd1KWQAh0&list=OLAK5uy_nwMTLK1B2Z8xdAgg4auBUm_gnDKHqhUTU&index=10

Or listen to François-Frederic Guy's Beethoven or Brahms or Geoffroy Couteau's Brahms.

I'm sure there's a better and more technical way of describing it but I just repeat what my ears tell me.

>>127415144
Yeah I wouldn't call that French. There are just as many French pianists that are hardly delicate

>>127415238
Not every French pianist has that style, of course, but many do, and virtually everyone who does is French. It's just a shorthand descriptor I've seen other people use when talking about some pianists and their recordings, and since I know what they mean, it's proven useful and meaningful to me. Perhaps it's silly, I don't know. What I do know is if I were to imagine how a French approach to Liszt's Annees might sound, it'd sound in the realm of Muraro's recording. If my frame of reference is off, then my b

>>127411802 (OP)
>https://rentry.org/classicalgen
>n
this happens when baking before post limit

>average BAAIAA listener

We will disarm and murder every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour of symphonies

>>127415554
>neurotic
Cool antisemitic dogwhistle.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpBJmi3wDw0&list=OLAK5uy_mL0DP67jduGjKk8gUC4q14bC34_bPqEiE&index=6

Just snagged one of the last tickets for this, what am I in for?
>Franz Schubert/Luciano Berio
Rendering für Orchester
>Gustav Mahler
Symphonie Nr. 5 [cis-Moll]
Only Mahler I've heard till now has been the Adagietto and bits of the 1st symphony (recordings, not live). Hurwitz apparently hates this pretty boy, but I'm sure it won't be that bad, right?

>>127416071
I'M CONDUCTING

>>127416071
Rendering of fucking what?

>>127416071
Well, pretty is an understatement......
That said, I'm pretty sure you're in for a pretty good performance of an amzing piece of work. My suggestion is to listen to the work at least once before concert.

>>127416071
Both good works
The Berio is a fun "completion" of an incomplete Schubert work
Makela is mid as a conductor but it's also the Concertgebouw playing Mahler so it will be great fun regardless.

>>127416071
come on, you know hurwitz doesn't hate pretty boys.

>>127416127
>Both good works
I had hoped my first live interaction with Mahler would be the 2nd symphony, but no luck, guess I'll have to settle for the 5th
>Makela is mid as a conductor but it's also the Concertgebouw playing Mahler so it will be great fun regardless.
That's what I had assumed, that an orchestra of this stature wouldn't fuck up a work this commonly played, however bad nutless Klaus might be in reality
>>127416135
>Dave once he's switched off the camera after another Makala rant

>>127416124
>not even 30 yet
>chief conductor at Oslo
>chief conductor-designate at the fucking Concertgebouw
>music director-designate at the fucking CSO
>used to screw Yuja Wang
I am incandescent with rage. My only consolation is that Yuja left him and that Dave trashes him in every review.

>>127416239
>Makala rant
I'd like to hear Makela ranting at his orchestra too

>>127416299
Yuja is like twice her age, for a guy of his looks she's unworthy.

>>127416325
He's a smarmy pretty boy and will look like a pruned-up dyke in his older age (see Salonen), young Lenny retains the title of handsomest conductor. I don't think Yuja's beautiful or anything, but she's got a killer body and knows how to present herself, bet she's dynamite in the sack too.

>>127416071
Should be a great time. I'm jealous.

now playing

start of Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique, Op. 14, H 48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS-bM9VaEdw&list=OLAK5uy_l0_mhP77SpuhKmmqXObMKRQwcSO0QHXsE&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l0_mhP77SpuhKmmqXObMKRQwcSO0QHXsE

>Muti's perfectionism is everywhere clear in his stirring, crisp leadership of this many-layered, flavorful work. Some have argued that it's a bit over-the-top; we call that exciting. This is not to say that in the more elegant moments, we don't get some beautifully sculpted, feathery sounds. And clearly, each section of the orchestra was ideally rehearsed: the strings are lush, the winds reedy and spicy, and the brass wonderfully aggressive. Wow! --Robert Levine

>>127416388
And I payed 20 euros for it instead of the usual 160 (<27 discount), it's a box seat I think

>>127416387
>will look like a pruned-up dyke in his older age
Nah man, Mäkelä is hot. Salonen doesn't seem handsome even in his youth pics. Bernstein was handsome tho can't disagree.

now playing

start of Chopin: Polonaises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfPzw3UXqs&list=OLAK5uy_l-i0M3dpD6pYNaBz0BDeeD_aISmB2WyF8&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l-i0M3dpD6pYNaBz0BDeeD_aISmB2WyF8

Tell me what are the differences in the styles of Duruflé, Tournemire, Dupré and Langlais.

>>127414654
manlet is a state of mind, cuck

>>127416593
Oh fug... excuse me, I must be in the wrong class.

Listen to Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLf-0QWcXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIDixKWk5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnuHYRMiv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EI9G9l_aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y33yE8OBmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dbA56Dl4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj3YQdzRac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgrhL0z6ZEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo5CMqNEDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9o6UG52FTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noA2djk9TvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1-sy1Q7T4

>>127416887
still less cucked than mozart's shitty princess music, tranny.

For me, it's Maltempo's Scriabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULLXUrpG4E&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=12

>>127416982
>d-don't insult my HUSBAND
cry harder babspammer

>>127417080
when's your operation?

>>127417038
>Maltempo
fitting

>>127417087
mal es good, si?

Hewitt's Ravel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRG0QXNYX0&list=OLAK5uy_nX41nekdsi1nmsbvmKbunWaXJj0Jng-yY&index=1

>Taking time off from her definitive series of J.S. Bach recordings, Angela Hewitt here brings us the complete solo piano music of Ravel. Anyone who wondered whether this seemingly dyed-in-the wool Bachian might stumble should rest assured: this is a stunning double-disc. As Hewitt makes clear in her characteristically illuminating liner notes, Stravinsky's jibe that Ravel was "only a Swiss clock-maker" was hopelessly off the mark. "One doesn't need to open one's chest to show that one has a heart," said Ravel, and in these often understated recordings, one is made to feel his point powerfully. "Scarbo" is all the more dramatic through the suppressed excitement Hewitt's playing exudes. "Ondine" and "Le Gibet" are at once immaculately controlled and intensely atmospheric. In addition to those works most frequently played, we also get rarities, like "Sérénade grotesque," written when Ravel was 18, and not published until 1975. As Hewitt points out, Ravel's favorite composer was Mozart, and she plays him with a Mozartean subtlety of nuance. --Michael Church

>>127416982
it's always a tryhard insecure with himself who uses terms like "cucked" and "tranny" who also dislikes Mozart for retarded reasons like being "princess music" haha
I'm surprised you're even into classical at all instead of something like metal

>>127417674
trolls: fed

>>127417674
you called me a cuck first, i was joking anyway i like Mozart.

>>127417681
>

>>127417695
yes

you faggots all suck, this is the worst place to discuss music, /classical/ is literally just as bad as the rest of /mu/, i get preferring certain styles and periods, but randomly shitting on and disrupting conversations about things you don't like is fucking annoying, just shut the fuck up.

>>127417681
that was my first post in the thread I didn't call anyone a cuck

>>127417785
I will not stop until everyone has the same opinion as me

>>127417795
okay well, i meant the guy that i responded to in that post.

>>127417785
what caliber?

Yo-Yo Ma's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8QjkaSSH4&list=OLAK5uy_kx3DZ6PI4pgLTGpuv0FcVThQuyJN6QJcI&index=25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYB0yWYISc
why are passacaglias always so good?

do you really have to break up ops. 109-111 like that, c'mon

>>127418113
Give it a peep, I think you'd be surprised how much you like it.

>>127418104
Yes indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqPz4FVjy5E&list=OLAK5uy_kdsDgIuTrXqOOa4Px46UV6S-XLHr9ylIs&index=2

>>127418113
that image screams 2016

>>127418178
>screams 2016
fucking wonder why, clever guy
>>127418134
>you'd be surprised how much you like it.
I'd be surprised you're actually being serious

>>127418189
>I'd be surprised you're actually being serious
...so you're not gonna peep? oh

>>127418204
>so you're not going to smear shit into your ears
no I think I'll pass

>>127418134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2h8yhU1_Ls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5KrG04c7X0
https://youtu.be/IyoyoDbHIYY?t=632

>>127418217
Say what you want about his other recordings (though I think when he's paired with an orchestra, he's quite solid), but his Bach cello suites are unimpeachable, if not among top-notch.

>>127418219
Thanks. First one is quite nice.

Based Bach, smashing Cardi B in the face with a hammer and stamping on a copy of Trout Mask Replica

>>127418189
probably because it was made in 2016, but that just begs the question: why are you posting such an outdated image now?

>>127418262
because YoYo-Ma enjoyers still look just like that

>>127415745
Cool gas chamber, oh wait..

It was actually quite annoying at Tanglewood. They worship Yo-Yo Ma there, to the detriment of everyone else. People actually left in the middle of a programme once his part of the performance was done. He's treated like a rock star in Boston, I think they care more about him than they do the music he's playing.

Remember, not all Romantic composers are bad, but all bad composers do tend to be Romantic

Except Classical, every Classical composer is bad.
Below are acceptable Romantics:

Liszt(late)
Any of the Russian Five
Grieg
Franck
Tarrega
Alkan
John Field
Chabrier

>>127418381
No shit, he's a pop star

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>127418381
>People actually left in the middle of a programme once his part of the performance was done.
damn, now that's embarrassing

>>127418243
bibber is one of the greatest goats of all time

BAB
A
B

DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]

None of this would've happened if you'd only listened to Hindemith

>>127418425
>DAILY REMINDER
of what

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and and liberate the Chopin listeners with Colombe, Rebel, and Perotin

>>127418442
Of the daily reminder

>>127418453
daily reminder to be reminded of the day

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

Just stop listening to Mozart, there is no hidden genius in his music, just shit, piss, and cock fucking nonsense that no straight man would be caught dead listening to, HE WORE A WIG AND MAKEUP, HE'S GAY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?

HE ATE SCHNITZEL OUT OF HIS WIFES UNWIPED ASSHOLE!

Any Medieval composers besides these guys?

>Perotin
>Leonin
>Bingen
>De Vitry
>Machaut

I would love more music in that style, but I feel like these are the only composers with any substantial works that are attributable

You have 10 seconds to explain why you aren't listening to French Classical music right now

>Doesnt take itself to seriously like the Germans
>Not overly dramatic like the Italians
>not as Firetruck as the Russians
>more substantial the Spanish
>mogs the English tradition

>>127418527
Notker Balbulus and before
Anders Hillborg and after

>>127418527
Balbulus and before, Ives and After
Thanks anon

>>127418552
don't reply to my posts

>>127418557
this guy replied>>127418546

now playing

start of Schumann: Piano Sonata No. 1 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWaKaBDTTyE&list=OLAK5uy_mqaeEyOKpiM023p0UokynGWBRyDN-npIU&index=2

start of Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op. 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0LXHYrq98k&list=OLAK5uy_mqaeEyOKpiM023p0UokynGWBRyDN-npIU&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mqaeEyOKpiM023p0UokynGWBRyDN-npIU

I need to familiarize myself with Schumann's piano sonatas more.

>>127418572
>Schumann Sonatas
>pic related

>>127418586
Just repeatedly nod and politely smile, kids. You're witnessing mental illness.

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Prokofiev or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>>127418586
>>127418599

>>127418640
Rip in peace King Gadhafi

You somehow, ironically, as a Berber, protected more Europeans than the EU or European institutions ever did

>>127418681
no one asked, no one cares

>>127418702
>t. jew

>>127418773
thank you wignat sister

>>127418572
I listened to 1st sonata the other day a few times, 1st movement starts off really good, but eventually I lose track of what's happening. I'll give that recording a try.
I don't think he ever aped his op.17 fantasy

>>127418773
no, just not an eurocuck

>>127418786
>>127418793
Please kill yourselves

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNBG4UWK7E&list=OLAK5uy_kafgJJ6e0cDXW0LrHJrP0rQdDb17R5KEo&index=5

>>127418789
I agree, his non-sonata piano works are where the gold is -- the Op. 17, Kreisleriana, Kinderszenen, Davidsbündlertänze, Carnaval, etc -- but I feel like I've been underrating the sonatas. The second one, the G minor, at least is fantastic.

>>127418802
kill me yourself, you coward

>>127418805
>sonata for queerflute

>>127418813
Post address then faggot

>>127418864
I am, as we speak, inside your mom

>>127418914
Mom is with my Dad right now, wait...

Dad?!

>>127418922
keep it down, we're trying to get freaky here and you're ruining the mood

>>127418501
Ockeghem
de Lassos
Josquin
de Morales

>>127418460
>no Mozart
dropped there

you ever notice that periods get shorter and shorter as we go

>>127418954
TITS OR GTFO

>>127418954
culture is tied to technology and technology changes at an increasingly rapid rate

>>127418982
I understand why it happens, but still, it's pretty dizzying. What are we on, right now? Neo-post-ironic-premodernism or something?

>>127418996
>What are we on, right now? Neo-post-ironic-premodernism or something?

Nope, we are in a Bach and Before, Ives and After period, always were and always will be

>>127418805
Nice!

>127419067
Extemely cringe gimmick and avatarfagging, I know saying this only adds fuel to this fire, but you're shitting up the thread for no reason. Touch grass faggot

>>127418385
>>127418448
>>127419067
You seem quite infatuated with this guy

Mahler
1 - Walter
2 - Mehta
3 - Roth
4 - Kletzki
5 - Leinsdorf
6 - Currentzis
7 - Bloch
8 - Sinopoli
DLvdE - Klemperer
9 - Barshai
10 - Lopes-Coboz

Some of the oldest guides of internet etiquette state: Don't feed the trolls, and don't give attention whores attention. Ask yourself: Why is this so hard for you?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OlrMADimYM

>>127419201
Thems more like guidelines

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4v4Qx9n_A

>>127419172
Yikes

>>127419244
>guides are like guidelines
any more of that precious insight you can offer us kemosabe

>>127419282
>treating a guideline as law

>>127419338
who are you quoting

>>127419350
newfag

>>127418954
And variation gets ever weaker with each generation. Now we're in the civilisational end stage of agglomerated culture, which has its precedent in the world of Late Antiquity, and distinguishing between different periods is only the work of overly intellectual academics that no one takes seriously. This isn't an observation unique to Spengler btw.

>>127419386
Who do you reckon will be the next goths?

>>127419391
You have diminished the quality of this general with your unhinged memes.
Go take your meds.

>>127419422
please stop shitting the thread

>>127419405
Anon, there is no next goths this time...

>>127419422
Why is this so hard for you?

>>127419452
I hope we all go extinct then.

>>127419432
Doesn’t make much sense grammatically. ESL, saar?

>>127419465
hey sure

>>127419172
this is truly awful

Stravinsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34d-KN4eMVw

>>127416953
Hindemith bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWjcdQXmho8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Iwqb5NxQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpussBdoS2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPIGMeEObA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRBS1lQy7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1diq5bem0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBxrMrBgw

>>127419273
>>127419552
you are either deaf or don't like Mahler in the first place

>>127419152
Whom are you quoting?

>>127419162
It's a natural consequence when listening to Platonically moral music(BABIAA)

>>127419931
kek

>>127411802 (OP)
Common Practice Era >>> BABIAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKTfLCadYZ4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzwlNtcWV34&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0evvmS-Pj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvaTJWCLzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZHSOC4Hmvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIDrjHf7ZA

>>127420016
You had it in the first two links, you really had it.

>>127414904
I have a lot fond memories of this recording, because it was my first step outside of the "Liszt was a great peformer/bad composer" meme.

>Dave is a literal fag and his butt budy is an Ainsley Harriott lookin negro
it has never been more over

>>127420236
Jews are a cancer, and after 10-7 there is no denying it.

>>127420236
>youtube e-celeb is a faggot.

wow. I never would have expected this. more news at five.

>>127420236
Pics of Dave's hubby?

>>127420495
>jaffa calling

>>127416953
>>127419631
Hindebump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwt2wOr5ZjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXbq1G3imY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmRo1yQoKWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhC0flSAGeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbEMI1gCnQk

>>127420593
>Oktett (Klar, Fag, Horn, vln, 2 vlas, Vcl, Kbs)
>Fag

>>127414654
New /classical/ approved composers just came out. Dvorak, Liszt, Prokofiev, and Rachmaninoff are officially BABIAA

>>127420931
Brahms, Bruckner, and Wagner are too because Ives was born in 1874.

>>127420982
>manlets
>approved in anything

>>127421054
Bruckner was not a manlet.

>>127420931
>Dvorak, Liszt, Prokofiev, and Rachmaninoff are officially BABIAA
they're literally not. Do you understand arithmetic

>>127421166
See >>127418385
Some Romantics are approved, and this case they are for not being manlets

Rachmanletoff

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTfEDPp1-LY

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K7RieOD9PQ

>>127421082
true, he was just an autistic incel

>>127421393
no one cares what you "approve" of

Bruckner
https://youtu.be/FjNP4Wkd7xw?si=qZnzqxD9Jpf2LA3D&t=3496

>>127422377
most beloved incel in music history

>>127419172
I wouldn't agree with most of it but it's eclectic and I always appreciate that. The Bloch 7th is dope, the Leinsdorf 5th is top-tier, the Mehta 2nd is easily top 3 or 4 recordings of the 2nd, and that Lopes-Coboz 10th is nice if you like his style (same with his 3rd and 9th)

Didn't even know Barshai had a 9th, thought it was just the 10th and 5th? huh. Kletzki...? ROTH!?!?!? Walter 1, meh w/e

>>127422377
Did you listen to the Karajan/VPO 7th and 8th yet?

Sinopoli famously, historically did the best (all around and in specifics)M°1 and there has been no significan objection since worth even entertaining

>>127422498
If someone told me Sinopoli was their favorite for every Mahler symphony, Das Lied included, I wouldn't be disagree, I would just say, "Hmm, impressive." Love Sinopoli. I should revisit that cycle. I remember most of it being unique 8/10 performances, so while none make my favorites, I appreciated and were enlightened by them all.

>>127422534
Personally I only rank his 1º as the best 1º

>>127422627
There's so, so many fantastic performances of the 1st, and it's not a terribly complex work anyhow, that I've never really believed there's any recording of it which stands above the rest.

>>127422647
Just my personal opinion is all

Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaFilwr8wpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HV1Tw6AvCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApH2HOGBmbY

>>127422685
Believe me, I keep a mental tally of these kinds of opinions I read here, and next time I listen to Sinopoli's M1 I'll pay extra attention, "aiight let's see what he does so well here," point being your sharing your opinion is valued whether I agree with it or not :)

>>127422703
The second movement I think is especially masterfully executed, but it's magisterial overall. The other Sinopoli I can take or leave

>>127422481
This?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TqfKP8X3VM

1. kubelik (live or DG, doesn't matter)
2. klemperer philharmonia
3. haitink concertgebouw analog
4. ivan fischer
5. schwarz or chailly leipzig
6. bernstein vienna
7. abbado chicago
8. bertini
9. karajan live
10. dausgaard

>>127422844
No, that's still the Berlin Phil.

I mean this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfTHMMdqM-Q
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCUHLQx2uM

>>127422873
thanks sistersister

Bumpmaninoff

>>127422873
much better than the other list

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DzO49k

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DzO49kC9HA

The ultimate question: BWV 577 or BWV 578?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c6Yknjxdnk

the best Mahler 2 is Rattle/BPO

>>127424599
best for a nap maybe

Fuckin' recordings that only have Brahms' ops. 117 and 118 but not 119. Tease.

all these Mahler choices are fine, but are we really forgetting about Roger Norrington's perfect Mahler cycle?

now playing

start of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D, Op. 77
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NqfRmfLhE&list=OLAK5uy_l_4Gr8yWzErCFJYV3lUelFNar8lstWkjc&index=2

start of Brahms: Concerto for Violin and Cello in A minor, Op. 102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfqKvKwow0U&list=OLAK5uy_l_4Gr8yWzErCFJYV3lUelFNar8lstWkjc&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l_4Gr8yWzErCFJYV3lUelFNar8lstWkjc

I haven't listened to Brahms' Double Concerto in ages.

reminder that Rachmaninov could have crushed your skull with his bare hands, but he didn't cause he was a nice guy.

>>127424677
Hello this is Daniel Barenboim's agent, please delete

>>127424639
this is horrible, what the fuck is this shit?

>>127424677
he could also have made good music but he didn't because he was a Russian

holla at me if classics gimme dat big brain,
aint nobody got time for dis oderwise

>>127424834
oh it works, I wear a 7"5/8ths size fitted hat

>>127424847
das crazy on god

Who is the most Bach-ian composer of the romantic period? My personal pick off the top of my head would probably be Bruckner, his fifth especially.

>>127424829
I'm as germano-centric as one can be, this statement is still retarded. To claim that the big Russian composers weren't at least great melodists betrays one's lack of understanding of music.

>>127424889
I too love the pentatonic scale

>>127424871
Mendelssohn for choral, Franck for solo piano.

>>127424829
I really enjoy his music, it evokes emotions in me and feels genuine, i don't really understand how someone could hate his piano concertos, or Symphony no. 2, but to each his own i guess.

>>127424655
Surely one of the best Brahms Violin Concertos I've heard in a while. This combined with Chailly's fantastic performances of the piano concertos with Nelson Freire makes me think I should give his cycle of Brahms' symphonies another try. I found them disgustingly too HIP-adjacent before but maybe my tastes have changed.

Wand!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKjhoJ4iuRw&list=OLAK5uy_kHLxfraVj1R23gdsLvCKPDPieHKOVW1eo&index=1

>>127424677
He was super handsome in youth so I wouldn't mind

For me, it's Bach's Art of Fugue arranged for string quartet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSrdPlMBbI0&list=OLAK5uy_me9d2cIco56aNbBOHhgHjiFrrRSUuVIRU&index=18

>>127412133
No not really. To me they’re always going to be Indians, Red Indians, American Indians, Injuns whatever.

Historically that’s what the white people called them so why stop. If anything I find the new PC terms like Indigenous Person is more condescending

>>127424296
Mahler never wrote a bad symphony, sibelius wrote 7

>>127412133
True, whites are the real native americans. There's no single word to describe all the tribesmen that were conquered by the native americans, as they were not one people.

>>127425123
Quite wrong sister the gentiles conquered the Indians

Commence baking the next thread, slave. Ensure that it isn’t another baroque edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9S4HIaIq8

wish Bruckner wrote more chamber music, particularly for string ensemble. I guess it would have meant he'd have less time, energy, and ideas for his symphonies, so it's probably best he focused the large majority of his creative spirit there, but still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZPT1QhR18o

Not only so good, but unique, which is what makes the lack of quantity so sad. On the other hand, I suppose most composers from this era only really wrote like one string quartet, one piano quartet, etc., so that makes him at par.

>>127425219
I'll bake if no one else does, need sum Scriabin edish we haven't had any good one for over a month.

scriabii :DD

>performed by X Chamber Orchestra
delete

>>127425245
"Chamber Orchestra" is an oxymoron

>conducted by the pianist
delete

Someone says to play some classical as background music for a party. What do you pick? I'd opt for Chopin's Waltzes and Mazurkas.

>>127425269
Zimerman's Chopin concertos are (one of) the greatest Chopin concerto recordings though?
>>127425286
Große Fuge

>>127425286
Pierrot Lunaire

>>127416953
it's like le hecking studio ghibli soundtracks!!!!

>>127425682
Ghibli movies are based though. Boy And The Heron is the greatest film of this decade and probably the last great piece of art that will be produced in the medium of film for a really, really long time. Unless Miyazaki makes another movie

>>127424986
It's just blatant racism, but it's okay because this particular race's skin color is light. Change the skin to brown and this statement would immediately be deleted and banned off of every place on the internet.

>>127425688
:OOO

I've been trying to get back more into film lately. Finally going through Miyazaki's would be right up my alley. I should do it.

>>127425709
tragedy of the slaveslopper

Music like the planets?

Music like the penis?

more music like music?

>>127425820
Smetana's Ma Vlast, R Strauss' tone poems (Zarathustra, Alpine Symphony, Ein Heldenleben, then his shorter stuff like Don Juan and Death and Transfiguration), maybe Grieg's Peer Gynt Suite and Holberg Suite, then some late/post-romantic stuff like the symphonies of Langgaard, Atterberg, Alfven, Rangstrom, Stenhammar, Peterson-Berger, Suk

Aлeкcaндp Cкpябин

best Cкpябин interpreter?
>inb4 Lettberg

>>127425804
Boy and the Heron is definitely Miyazaki's equivalent of a ninth symphony. I would recommend starting with his early work and going up. If you just wanna do movies, Castle Of Cagliostro is my favorite film ever made and a great opening, then just do the rest in chronological order and it'll be a great time

Otherwise, I would definitely recommend going through his early TV work as well so you can see the lineage of what his films will later contain. I would recommend watching at least:
>Lupin Part 1
He takes over after episode 6 as showrunner, it was the very first animated series created for an adult audience. Miyazaki's episodes turned Lupin from how he was commonly portrayed in the manga and early series as a criminal mastermind into the kinder classical thief with a heart of gold that he gets later presented as. The full series creates a nice contrast between the two visions of the character, it's only 23 episodes and Castle Of Cagliostro is meant to slot in with those as and ending to the character.
>Future Boy Conan
This is where his early style properly develops and the core themes of his later work get established properly, mainly his dislike of modernity and industrial society overall, great series with great animation not just for the time but for anime in general
>Episode 145 and 155 of Lupin III Part 2
Both episodes are directed by him and are extremely unlike anything else in the show but are brimming with enough creativity and imagination to fill up entire movies. You don't really need prior context as the series is entirely episodic.
>Sherlock Hound Episodes 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10
These are extremely well animated and entertaining, don't have that much else to say there. Rest of the show is very meh besides episode 11, these ones are the ones Miyazaki worked on and it definitely shows.

>>127425990
Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Lettberg.

Best Mahler 1?

>>127426067
his 1st symphony

>>127425073
>Historically that’s what the white people called them so why stop
because it's retarded
>PC terms like Indigenous Person
there's literally nothing PC about that, it's the same thing

>>127426067
>>127422498

>>127425990
Just so we're clear:

Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: Ashkenazy
Piano Concerto: Postnikova+Rozhdestvensky
Op 54: Lokalenkov+Golovschin
Op 60: Argerich+Abbado
Symphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin
2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+Leonardi
Scherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-Bato
Everything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev

>>127425682
speak on that

You're retarded

>>127426151
Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.

>>127426190
sir, this is /classical/, not /talkingtoyourself/

Best Mahler 2?

>>127426254
Norrington

Best Mahler 3?

>>127426067
Kubelik, Honeck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe8P71n8nLo

But you can't go wrong with any of the acclaimed ones, there are tons and tons of great recordings of it.

>>127426254
>>127426287
2- Michael Gielen, South West German Radio Symphony Orchestra
3- Claudio Abbado, Wiener Philharmoniker

>>127426324
>2- Michael Gielen, South West German Radio Symphony Orchestra
hehe, that fool will never see it coming...

>>127426339
what

>>127426151
>Symphonies, Le Poème De L'Extase, Prométhée
Muti
>Piano Concerto
Ashkenazy/Maazel
>Rêverie
Ashkenazy
>Sonatas
Hamelin or Zhukov
>Vers La Flamme
Zhukov
>Scherzo & Andante for string orchestra
Hamburg Strings
>Everything else piano solo
Alexeev

notable mentions:
Complete Poems / Complete Etudes - Garrick Ohlsson
all of the Sofronitsky recordings
Complete Symphonies - Ashkenazy

Best Mahler 4?

>>127426396
his 4th symphony

>>127426383
Well at least we agree on Alexeev

>>127426234
I like your joke sister. A point well made

>>127426396
Rafael Kubelik, Symphonie-Orchester Des Bayerischen Rundfunks

>>127426441
I don't have a joke sister

Best Mahler 5?

>>127426532
tennstedt

>>127426532
Claudio Abbado, Berliner Philharmoniker

>>127426532
Leinsdorf

Perahia's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mutVAR7Lxvg&list=OLAK5uy_mvLc6In66M2fAhsJ7PbK_QYINBNPxJLOU&index=12

>>127426396
Fischer.

pimen's monologue from boris godunov is some of the comfiest music ever

>>127426712
His face looks photoshopped in that image.

>>127426742
fuck it sure does

new
>>127426751
>>127426751
>>127426751

>>127426753
too early; discarded

>>127426768
*cums on you*

>>127426797
aberrant homosexual behaviour

>>127419201
Is this your first general, son?