Thread 127510616

what age did you realize the whole musician thing wasn't going to work out, mu?

>>127510616 (OP)
30 and hesitant to record and release my EP and debut album because i am almost certain it will inevitably blow up, i just start producing and singing a couple years ago tho but i think i'm sitting on a blond, maybe even better

>>127510648
oh to have the naive confidence of a debutnigga again...

>>127510648
>i am almost certain it will inevitably blow up
lmao it won't. i've talked to anons on this board and heard their demos for the last 10 years. the talent of some of those dudes is IMMENSE. you ain't that good, fag. lmaoooo

If you do it for a career, you're going to fail, but if you do it as a hobby, for your enjoyment, you'll be fine. I don't see the appeal of having a large audience. I'd rather have a small group of fans than a massive one.

>>127510648
This kind of delusion is absolutely necessary and don't let other people suck it out of you.

>>127510648
It wont.

>>127510654
Its not about talent either, its also connections, ads, aesthetic. Like almost everyone doesnt have all the things required to hit it big. Legit most /mu/fags should build a reputation the old school way, have a "portafolio" then get hired to play at bars on weekends and tour a bit bar from bar if your stuff is liked and sell merch locally too.

>>127510695
If you have a band it is. Solo "artist" no. Take it easy dont be delusional, music is your diary thats it. For bands tho its the fire of life.

>>127510648
>>127510651
>>127510697
thanks for the reassurance, hopefully it doesn't, but sonically is what i care more about, you both sound bitter af lmao, my best trait is my physical appearance anyway which is a relevant factor but it's hilarious how horrible this entire board is in terms of taste and output, i have yet to hear a single singer or producer that wasn't god awful

>>127510695
thanks anon, trust me I know how delusional it sounds but i constantly reference everything i do and i think i just happen to have won the genetic lottery which is likely a larger factor than the music itself it seems

>>127510616 (OP)
I don't care if I make it big or not but I'd love to put out an album before I'm 30

>>127510714
>won the genetic lottery
How so?

>>127510714
>trust me I know how delusional it sounds
Don't worry about that. In spite of the meaning of the word, delusion and fiction are not synonyms. Just don't bitch out. If you've got something, it's better to put it somewhere, even if it's incomplete or fails to meet your standards (within reason), than it is to rot in hesitation.
>>127510706
I think the art is what decides but I hear you.

>make music for a decade
>sign with an experimental label that does pretty well and is reasonably well known
>make the best album you possibly can
>comes out
>hardly any press but press is good
>album sells like refried shit
>forgotten
>never made a fucking dime off it
Probably around then. Much like comics, music is gonna break your heart. Haven't made anything since then.

>>127510758
face card

>>127510778
that's the main setback, i'm such a perfectionist but 2 years have gone by of nonstop composing and now that I'm slowly putting it all together I really think i have something special on my hands, and possibly a new genre in itself, the confidence comes from knowing not a human on this earth has the combination of skills that I have, life is simply too short, I constantly reference it against the top albums of all time

>>127510797
post face

>>127510616 (OP)
in my early 20s when I had absolutely nothing to show for around 8 years of guitar playing, basically I never had 'it'
I just play for fun now, either improvising or learning some of my favorite songs.

>>127510797
youre full of shit faggot. cmon enlighten me with your compositions, knowledge, and originality. whats your unique combination of skills.

>>127510794
It is an unfortunate fact about art that, if your goal is an audience, consistency trumps most other considerations. Consider how common it is for the first thing someone releases, no matter the medium, to contain most of what they take to be their best or most important, personal ideas, things that have been marinating for a long time. Then, as happens with you, nothing or very little happens once it's finished and out there. You wanted it to land like a nuke but it barely caused any ripples. Imagine now that you continued to make things, maybe for a very long time, and over time you're found by far more people who like the stuff. By that point, some other process has taken hold, something maybe quite a lot less personal than what led to that first one. The people that find it then also find this first album and come think very highly of it. Does this turn out to be as important to you as it would have been had it been immediately received in the way you wished for? I suspect that "lucky" person feels something very bittersweet, and maybe receives something they didn't quite want.

>>127510654
he isnt that good but talent is only a thing musicians and autistic music fans care about. pretty much all other factors trump talent and being a savant doesnt matter to the masses. in fact it may make you unpopular unless you find some clever way to market it like what happened to brian wilson or that hack jacob collier.

>>127510714
Dude vocalists that actually sing are hard to come by in general rock is "dying" its not dead and its not gonna die but it has slowed down a fuck ton

>>127510616 (OP)
know an extremely tallented guy with a music degree, and he has never done anything. maybe a stupid meme or two.

>>127510806
no thanks, i don't need any confirmations from anons trust me lol

>>127510821
anybody can learn music theory or play an instrument, you are thinking too inside the box, think about connecting with humans on a spiritual level and speaking directly to the soul, i gave up my entire life for this in ways you probably wouldn't understand, think about why scripture is accessible to most humans with the same alphabet yet humans are incapable of reproducing it in the way God did with the same parameters, the Hebrew words both carrying depth at face value but the numerical values also aligning, no artist really does it all from scratch so it isn't even accessible to them, Tame Impala is the closest modern example I can think of and maybe Prince if you go back in time but both of them have flaws that I have explicitly focused on

>>127510883
true and everyone is tuned nowadays anyway, it comes down to the timbre of the voice you were born with, but i'm of the belief a good melody is inherently good even if performed by an instrumental that isn't ideal

>>127510878
true, most humans are too fried these days anyways, anyone can observe what aura draws people from certain figures and that combination of elements I think is missing in every modern artist, every major one has major flaws but i can't keep up with all of this I was just trying to write and saw this thread pop up while looping a beat I was no expecting to trigger this many responses

>>127510616 (OP)
I've broken in and out of it over the past fifteen years.

Probably mid 20s, for a career at least. I had a shot and thought it might actually work out for a couple years there, but ultimately it did not.
After that I started working normal jobs and continued making music as a hobby. Deep down I don’t think I ever believed I could or should be able to get away with doing music full time. I don't plan on stopping any time soon, I do it for myself more than anything else.

>>127510993
tame impala sucks. how about you actually say how you gave up and made sacrifices instead of saying a bunch of poetic bullshit.

>>127511211
Comprehension isn't your strongest suit? Although I won't go as far as to say he sucks to emulate your elitist snobbery but the point is that he is in outlier in terms of mainstream artists that doing everything from the ground up. And I haven't given up lol, my confidence grows with each composition, even if I am old I can still see myself composing for video games or film, but you seem to be seeking some reassurance to cope with your own deficiencies. Stay bitter, and I made sacrifices in the sense of leaving women because I am more efficient at producing without an 18 year old sitting on my lap, but you wouldn't know about that now would you?

>>127510616 (OP)
idk man i don't even want popularity or whatever; i just wanna feel happy with myself. when i was 20/21, i made a few songs and they were shit but i was happy i was doing it. now i'm 26, unhappy with myself and can't bring myself to do anything. i wanna make dsbm, noise, and goth music but anytime i open a daw or pick up a guitar and i just shut down. feels cold

>>127511236
ok nice troll. i like the part where you call tame impala a "he" even though its a band. purposefully misreading me asking what youve given up/sacrifice for music incorrectly as me saying youve given up on music. peace out

>>127511244
>but anytime i open a daw
That's your problem. Don't do that.

>>127511251
You have a weak mind and a clear inability to face reality, so you continue to cope. Tame Impala is hardly a band; it is essentially Kevin Parker in the way Tony Mansfield is essentially New Musik. I sacrificed girlfriends, friends, family, etc. and moved to the mountains to live in a more conducive atmosphere which has directly correlated to the nature themes in my music. You are just a miserable human being and instead of bettering yourself you seek to bring others down, in the way someone watches pred catching videos to feel better about being a failure at a similar age. Keep that energy to yourself.

Even if you make it, it's not guaranteed you're gonna always be there.

>>127511244
get into mathrock / midwest emo

>>127510993
ok i will post my face if you dont mog me somewhat i dont think you can make it

these days it takes to be seriously good looking especially if you havent NEVER EVER put your stuff out there and even then guess what you should have been consistent putting stuff its like building a YouTube channel (and i have one but im lazy with the editing and pumping out content so im not popular) Could i be popular? if i make things people are interested in with relative consistency yes but it would take years even with my face. So yeah, beauty alone is not everything its a combination of absolutely everything. How did PewDiePie get popular? thats how you make it. Its not easy.

>>127510616 (OP)
I love it when NPCs get filtered
>muh paycheck?
>muh social status?
>muh contracted handed to me to make manufactured commercial goyslop music?
yeah, life is really rough, to bad for you, back to your wage cage

>>127511578
I think feminine features tend to be deemed more attractive personally, which you have, no offense I don't think that is a bad thing, some girls really dig it. I look like this nigga minus the nose ring (I do have earrings whatever call me gay idc) but taller and jacked, like benching nearly double my body weight strength, don't really care if that is attractive or not, I don't lift for looks, but I agree with your overall sentiment.

I think my strongest suit is just overall charisma, having a nice face and making girls laugh is a deadly combination, it is mindblowing the things they will overlook when extremely attracted, and I think masculinity is more and more sought after as everybody troons out these days. I was in the top fraternity (by members which kinda gives it away but it is also the oldest and original prototype for all future clones if you know the original secret order) and that let me interact with the hottest girls back when alpha phis were actually all blondes and no blacks. I think I've built my confidence with more 10s in those years than most dudes will in a lifetime, so those communication skills also play a role and you're right it isn't just beauty. My fraternity was like 99% white had some decent looking dudes too but almost every girl I hooked up with did so on the spot despite being in a longterm relationship, looks can open the door but carrying yourself with confidence is also necessary. People just sense it, not just women either, people can subconsciously sense how you feel about yourself in the way that you carry yourself. Everybody is an autist now tho it should be ez nowadays compared to the shit I had to do as an 18 year old pledge in college.

>>127511578
>>127511740
He is a lying faggot. This is a famous oldfag from /fa/, he went by the name knoch

>>127511883
baka, thanks anon, well I was hoping to help others on this board but it just seems like a bunch of demoralization attempts, it's all so tiresome

>>127511920
how you were helping? by saying that your looks matter more than your music? by posting a man with genetic lottery and this demoralizing who don't have good looks? looks fade away retard. knoch is now balding and he has lost his looks.

>>127511244
>i wanna make dsbm, noise, and goth music
nigga avoid the aux cable at all costs

>>127510616 (OP)
Alright you faggots here's how to make as a musician on this year and onwards.
>should never, ever be your main job unless you're getting a solid passive income from it (x1.5 of your living cost)
>you're your own manager until you find somebody who has the skills and most importantly, contacts
>have a social media strategy as soon as possible, use all of them and learn how each algorithm work
>if you have an EP that reflects either your skill or current artistic state, get it on spotify using distrokid or some other cheap label
>if you are talented and make lots of tracks/eps/albums: bandcamp
>if you're handsome and social: youtube, tiktok and facebook
>record and post covers to gain quick followers, nobody cares about your art at first, they care about your "vibe"
>your main goal should be playing live, get booked, have physical fans, sell merch, be approachable
>your internet presence should be your secondary goal, build a community and a solid fanbase
>meet other musicians, even if they do music you dislike, avoid being percieved as somebody negative/conflictive, it will only close doors

>>127511244
get a real job

>>127510616 (OP)
16

>>127511244
Find some homies that feel the same way, make sure they ain’t gay, n just jam bro. If u guys come up with some shit u never heard before, record it, if u wanna take it even further, that’s when u open up abelton.

Success should never be the driving force behind making music, it’s something else, but I personally don’t know what you’d call it, you just know it when you know it.

Never hurts to take a break either, never hurts to come back to it either as well

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>>127511996
>>meet other musicians, even if they do music you dislike, avoid being percieved as somebody negative/conflictive, it will only close doors
why are you being inauthentic?

>>127510616 (OP)
I released over 300 albums of noise/drone/industrial but decided to become a writer, philosopher and public intellectual instead. Going to college now at the ripe age of 43 to become the next Isaiah Berlin except not Jewish. I may return to music sooner or later. Time will tell.

>>127511740
>I think feminine features tend to be deemed more attractive personally
More and more I'm convinced women in general just all closet lesbians looking for any excuse not to have sex with a man

>>127516211
No lesbianism is the fiction. They want men to put them back in the cage, but men are confused by their hysterical crying and mistakenly regard it as signifying something rational

>it's another jewish demoralization episode
yawn

I AM A MUSIC DELECTATOR, NOT A WANNABE MUSICIAN.

>>127510616 (OP)
Trying to meet with other artists in my city and nothing happening for starting bands. Trying to post music to soundcloud in the early and mid 2010s and getting 0 hits, then seeing even established and good artists got the same number. Eventually realized everything is payola

Still play and make music occasionally with friends for fun

>>127516160
Sounds like you wasted your life

>>127516387
How many albums have you published?

>>127510616 (OP)
30 but its not only because age-ism and the inability to build any kind of following it’s just gay to cringe to be a musician.
>given one life
>Literally just strums or hits things
>likely doesn’t develop any other real world skills
>the more depressed and lethargic the better your playing becomes
>self centered, doesn’t really do anything to help society

Fuck the arts kek

>>127516398
A bunch

>>127510616 (OP)

I put out music to piss off people

>>127516513
>the more depressed and lethargic the better your playing becomes

think what you want but that's a fuckin omega cope

>>127516513
Yeah but most people don't do anything to help society either

>>127510616 (OP)
When Donald Trump bent over and let Fauci and Gates rape America like the Pulp Fiction Gimp.
No musician can compete with an epidemic of ADHD now

>>127516540
>I put out music to piss off people
Thats a noble endeavor. May your rage guide you like a fully loaded ICBM.

>>127516540
seth putnam's spirit lives on

>>127516513
>self centered, doesn’t really do anything to help society
you don't need to be a musician to do that

>>127516540
The definition of based. Only good music comes out of this.

>>127510695
honestly this. but be prepared to be wrong. can be a terrible low if you realize that it isn't what you thought it was in your head.

>>127510616 (OP)
I play jazz, so I can be a musician for the rest of my life

>>127511578
This looks almost exactly like me.

>>127510616 (OP)
right now. Nearly 22. Almost no plays on soundcloud without subscribing, reels not going more than 5 views. Youtube shorts all in the 3 - 80 ish range. Youtube uploads all under 20. Feel like I have no chance in changing the broader music culture and can only succeed as a local band.

>>127516387
Sad

>>127516540
Statistics show that doesn't end well.

>>127510616 (OP)
somewhere between 17-32
my biggest mistake was going to uni. i should've just stuck it out with the music and learned the craft instead, and not waste an entire decade trying to pretend to be someone i wasn't never cut out to be

>>127524564
>Nearly 22
LOL i remember being this nihilistic at this age. you won't comprehend how good you have it until you reach the end of your 20s. im not even gonna bother trying to explain, the denial that comes with youth is astounding.

Everything in life is a lesson!!! Learn from it and do better!!!!!!!

>>127510616 (OP)
I’d be pretty happy with being an obscure, forgotten but discovered artist with kids praising my work and using me as an inspiration in the future right before I die a sad cold death. Those are the only artists I respect really

Thomas Sowell — 'When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.'

>>127525005
You are probably right but shit's grim

>>127511996
as much as it might hurt to hear it, this guy has it 100% right

I've had someone I've never met tell me that my music saved their life, and I never made more than a few bucks off it because I had no social media presence, marketing strategy, connections or anything.

You've got to hit a home run on so many fronts and be extremely lucky, and even then 'making it' might net you an income less than the average office worker.

This shouldn't stop you from making music, you've just got to shift your motivation and hedge your bets - I still enjoy making music even though I'll never be a successful musician. In a lot of ways I'm glad I never was.

>>127511996
cheers chatgpt

>>127514904
Because that’s how jobs work

21 or 22. Currently 33. No, life doesn't get better.

>>127525382
I read one of his books once, his writing style is unbelievably contrived and he isn't that analytical when it comes to interpreting data. Retards probably like him because le old black intellectual or whatever. Overhyped af

>>127510616 (OP)
When I couldn't figure out how to pay the bills.
Same deal with my writing hobby too.
Shits hard and I respect anyone who makes it work, and don't insult anyone who did what I did and just quit.

>>127528218
Music is not your job

>>127510616 (OP)
I make music partly because I like the satisfaction of having done something difficult. And anyway if you have "made it" in the past 10 years or so it probably means you were a nepo-baby, industry plant, or somehow fit into the Marxist identity politics puzzle. With the music being secondary.

>>127524987

My distributor lets me get away with all sorts of shit as track titles. As long as it's not blatantly racist or homophobic or them being personal threats towards anyone, I am kosher.

I could be like "hurr durr I eat retarded babies and shit" and no one cares because the distributor and the song platform makes a buck off me

>>127510616 (OP)
It might actually work out for me because I did it backwards. I have a good paying engineering job and have been putting a lot of that money into paying down my house. Once the mortgage is gone, my monthly bills become low. There are plenty of places to gig near me so I might be able to make it and quit wageslaving

I vividly recall a conversation, at 27-28, where I told our drummer that I'd accepted defeat and will likely never make a career out of music. Not sure why, I finally just realised I'm nothing special, I guess.

In retrospect, it does perhaps seem a bit early to lose all hope like that, but I was right anyway.

>>127531390
If you have this much infrastructure to maintain it's going to be tough.

>>127531390

My humble advice is to keep your day job and do music as a hobby. That way it doesn't matter if you never succeed as a musician because you have something to fall back on. Relying on music is not a good deal for anyone these days, even if you happen to be a nepo plant.

>>127510616 (OP)
23, I don't what I was even thinking back then, I always sucked at playing guitar and singing

>>127531456
Just have a house out in the country. In the middle of wine country so got a lot of places to play as a solo act. Can help out others too. Also starting to realize playing at retirement homes is a good way to get money too.

>>127531511
I don't know**

>>127531506
I've got another 5 years minimum before paying my house so I got time to think about it. Even so, I'm not looking to become a big star, just want to earn enough to cover some basic bills and will make sure my savings is plump before doing this.

>>127531538

Making extra bux on top of your regular job could be the way to go. If you can do that, I'd say that's the ideal plan - but you do you.

I still haven't given up. Mainly because I haven't tried yet. I'm not releasing anything until it mogs the stuff that I like.

>>127531538
Is this music going to be performed on an acoustic-electric guitar with a cutaway? A Taylor, for example?

>>127531570
I know this is good advice, but I fucking hate wageslaving. Even well paid wageslaving is still wageslaving

>>127531578
I've got a semi hollow Gretsch, Beard resonator, and a keyboard.

>>127510616 (OP)
Early 20s I guess. My parents still want me to pursue it but they're even more delusional than I am. I'm just working on getting good enough to play some local gigs, really. I still think it's fun to jam when you know what you're doing

music is dead

>>127535056
oh yeah?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sCIdRczFw_Q

>>127510616 (OP)
36

>>127531675
Do you have kids? That's also a good option.

>>127537831
No kids, too autistic for a wife but I can fake it long enough to not seem like a spazz for a 3 hour set.

>>127510616 (OP)
when I norwooded

>>127540277
Time to make the pivot into metal

>>127510616 (OP)
WHEN A JEWISH LABEL EXEC WANTED TO GA HOMOSEX ME. 17

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>>127510616 (OP)
I don't think I was ever interested in making a career out of music. It was always a hobby. My goal as a musician is to pay suitable homage to my favorite music and transcribe the noises in my head, that's all.

>>127539632
>No kids, too autistic for a wife
Don't rule it out, you'd be surprised

>>127540277
>when I balded
This is unironically when you should quit Rock music.

>>127510648
release it here under a pseudonym. carseatheadrest started here and they're pretty big now

>>127510616 (OP)
17

>>127541753
I think he's saying he'd rather exercise self-restraint, not that it's impossible

23, i spec'd and released 6-7 albums in one year to seem "prolific", steadfast promoted everywhere and still didn't "nail" enough sales
sushitraxx.bandcamp.com if anyone cares

>>127547615
Is there one great track among all of those releases?

>>127547615
>sushitraxx
Lmao what the fuck is that retarded ass name hahahahahah
Let me guess Rap (not music). Looool.

>>127547615
>>127548400
>>127548409
released all that with sounds that sound worse than my stock Logic VSTs and didn't think it would be better to focus on at least one good song before proceeding to an album let alone multiple? i'd rather make one good album than 10 mediocre ones

>>127510616 (OP)
15. I learned very quickly in high school that being a real musician was something I would never achieve. Better to learn that early on.

>>127548400
"warrior" is a pretty good track imo. I gave a lot of them a listen. A lot of it was mid repetitive noises with super random melodies that have no synergy. And a few of these albums are entirely just +50 dB random banging noises and ear-rape synth. Like the other anon said I wish he'd just have focused on one or two good albums instead of pumping out 10 mid ones.