Thread 127615937

Debussy Edition (happy late birthday Debussy!)

Discuss classical music in the Western (European) tradition and instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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>>127615937 (OP)
damnit I was in such a hurry to not get beat, I forgot to post a Debussy link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOHama2AY0Q

performed by the inimitable Michelangeli at the Vatican

>>127615937 (OP)

Classical isnt real music.

Blessed thread, thanks OP for not being faggot and making a Boston six or whatever fucking 3rd German /classical/ tries to shill these days.

Why does German music besides Wagner, some Beethoven and Bach lack any sense of passion and sensuous feeling to it? Every time I listen to music like Brahms, Bruckner, Mahler Schumann, or Haydn I get the ick. The Surprise symphony, Schumann's simp songs or Brahms incel chamber music, they all sound like they've been written by men who never touched a woman or had them desire them. Compare this to Bach, Marais, Franck, or Faure, all of whose music has an understated sexual feeling to it, a restraint of it, or a memory of an encounter. I don't get this with the Germans at all, it seems like the lack of sexual encounters have made their music so irresolute, isolating, and will ostracize anyone who likes to have sex. The French and Italians don't have this issue for obvious reasons.

Why do G*rmans make such icky music /classical/?

>Today I will remind them

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oh what I'd give for a Debussy and Ravel piano quartet or quintet

>>127616115
>>127616126
>>127616140
Please stop

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>>127616171
>mfw you tell me stop, but also
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

now playing

start of Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 1, Sz. 83, BB 91
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ru6OVX7OS0&list=OLAK5uy_nA2egtLY9Fd4v1QGF3S1Odoxn_Od-o94c&index=2

start of Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 2, Sz. 95, BB 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc-7ksMG6I4&list=OLAK5uy_nA2egtLY9Fd4v1QGF3S1Odoxn_Od-o94c&index=5

start of Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 3, Sz. 119, BB 127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMpiwjaFIXs&list=OLAK5uy_nA2egtLY9Fd4v1QGF3S1Odoxn_Od-o94c&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nA2egtLY9Fd4v1QGF3S1Odoxn_Od-o94c

>>127616175
A most curious omission amongst these

Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.

All five of Beethoven's piano concertos are worth listening to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7PKtpistE

All four of Rachmaninoff's piano concertos are worth listening to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeb92Nt-6VY&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=1

All three of Medtner's piano concertos are worth hearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=838e-7R71eM&list=OLAK5uy_nIGXgBukBDXtQu2mFl0ejL3bd23lUayEk&index=1

>>127616522
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmJfT5ojvko&list=PL0T6Hovb_TN4rcHeG0GL789byO1BLMRCN

>>127615937 (OP)
Why is humanity still producing art as though this exists?

https://open.spotify.com/track/122qz1dG8yJgfz7NV22sd4?si=m7FeykKnQ0mblgjFlOxJ2w

>>127616898
>Why is humanity still producing art as though this exists?
What?

Why are American composers hamfisted cornballs?

>>127616898
youtube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjj0tTjH14s&list=OLAK5uy_lP-ic3eW45Y5u5KSbQm42MzMwdBEqbh_k&index=8

>>127616522
I'd been avoiding this cycle because I don't care for Rattle's scaled-down, HIP influence Beethoven, but this is actually really fuckin' good.

>>127616898
>schziophrenic neurotic jew who died from talmud falling on his head
>producing art

>>127616923
You're the same fag tho

>>127616802
Which is better, the first or the fourth

>>127616949
When I saw and posted it, I thought it was the more famous, Brendel/Levine recording (because the title only says 'Brendel,') which I love, but when I discovered it was Brendel/Rattle I kept listening anyway, and I'm surprised how good it is! Definitely gonna listen to the rest of the cycle tomorrow.

>>127616962
1st contains some of his best melodies and polyphonic textures, but structurally and formally it's quite jarring, whereas 4th is flawless, but not as sentimental, it's more in the realm of abstract like other 20th century music. I slightly prefer 4th.

>>127616194
It was a request that you rudely ignored. That is not how a gentleman ought to conduct himself. Accordingly, you will never be ‘highbrow’.

>>127616923
Why don’t you care for it?

>>127616917
Thanks desu

Final fantasy vibez
>balls deep in the veldt

>>127616910
You heard me

>>127617014
> structurally and formally it's quite jarring
What is the difference between structurally jarring and formally jarring? What precisely is formal jarring? Define it right now. How does that compare to something that merely sounds jarring?
> whereas 4th is flawless, but
>but
Go look up the meaning of flawless in the dictionary.
> I slightly prefer 4th
Slightly prefer the flawless one, got it!

You write like a lunatic. It’s all meaningless drivel like the above.

>>127617239
>structurally jarring and formally jarring?
Form: overall plan or shape of a piece, example: binary form (AB)
Structure: broader implication, meaning internal details of the music, not just large-scale plan. Inclusing phrase structures, motivic structures, rhythmic scaffolding etc.
>What precisely is formal jarring?
In classical forms, there is always a sense of inevitability, or organic flow (where cadences should arrive, how sections connect to each other). Deviations in form can make it jarring if not handled well. All composers struggled in their early career to compose large but cohesive music, that deviates from standards but still sounds organic.
>How does that compare to something that merely sounds jarring?
I don't know what you mean by merely jarring.
>Go look up the meaning of flawless
Emotiveness, sentimentality have nothing to do with the structural integrity of music.
Sounds like you're having a bad day and nothing better to do either.

>>127617164
I generally don't care for small-scaled, HIP-influenced Beethoven, especially when so many better options which fit my tastes exist. That said, it's still Rattle and the VPO, so it's not like his symphonies cycle is bad. I don't know, maybe I'm due for a revisit, especially with how much I enjoyed that first piano concerto just now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2A37FoZ6mk&list=OLAK5uy_mpw-VD8O4ug1ROVV_cGyX6oekIHw_Fbzc&index=1

Lately I've been finding myself enjoying faster-tempo, even modernized approaches to everything, so who knows, maybe my opinion has changed?

Why does Dave hate Rattle so much?

>>127617429
Who doesn't?

>>127617429
His review of the Vienna Beethoven cycle is pretty positive.

Also remembered Rattle has three Beethoven piano concerto cycles: one with Brendel/Vienna, one with Zimerman/London, and one with Uchida/Berlin. That's a nice roster.

>>127617429
because he is a retarded faggot.

>>127617469
shut up, Dave. The pigeons I see on street corners are more qualified to talk about music than you are.

>>127616175
why all these non baroque? you are betraying the baroque scene brother

>>127617429
we will never know because he explains his preferences in entirely subjective manner
probably thinks he feels "cold and distant" or something lmao

check this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xr27VEfkbE

Ngl Bach gets SUPER boring and even annoying for me when I'm not in the mood for merry melodies and dancey tunes. Other Baroque is even worse. Modernism is garbage. I can listen to romantic music all day and never complain. Romantic music reigns supreme.

>>127618140
you're just feeling sad

>>127618205
I don't know, but I was told on several occasions that I'm emotional.

>>127618231
oh then you're probably gay

>>127618140
i listen exclusively to baroque composers

>>127618256
k

>>127618283
trick question. with 60 players they would be performing Beethoven's 4.5th.

>>127618233
I'm the gayest man alive.

>He strongly opposed the claims of Hauer and others for the priority of the 12-tone method of composition, and he vehemently criticized in the public press the implication he saw in Thomas Mann's novel Doktor Faustus, in which the protagonist was described as the inventor of the 12-tone method of composition; future historians, Schoenberg argued, might confuse fiction with facts, and credit the figment of Mann's imagination with Schoenberg's own discovery.

>This is also the reason why Thomas Mann's Adrian Leverkühn does not know the essentials of composing with twelve tones. All he knows has been told him by Mr. Adorno, who knows only the little I was able to tell my pupils.

>>127619201
Schoenberg is a typical jewish prick but his book Fundamentals of Musical Composition is really good, even if you know bare minimum theory, or none at all.

>>127619201
Near the end of his life he was completely appalled by the state of France, all adopting his methods. Schoenberg was a big defender of tonal composers and really disliked his student's tendency to try and stomp out anything that wasn't apart of that language.

>>127618283
40 presumably

Reminder Bach had 0 operas, symphonies or even new contributions to music. And most of his Melodies are shite

>>127620023
Yep.
Vivaldi >>>> B*ch

Is Hilary Hahn a legend?

>>127620295
Ugly talentless hack with technique of a soulless robot.

>>127620295
Yes

>>127616115
>Bach
>passion and sensuous feeling

>>127618140
They don't want to hear it but it's true. There's this hipsterish tendency where Romantic is too accessible (read: good) and Classical is too obvious, so they're left with Baroque if they want to play it safe but be different or Modernism if they're just that quirky

>>127618140
>>127620578
There is plenty of non quirky modernism as well -although theres nothing wrong with that

>>127620462
The man helped his bear 20 children.

THE MAN HAD SEX

>>127620578
1874-1945 is the greatest peak of music since 1750, no other era comes close.

>>127620618
What starts at 74?

>>127620578
Romantic music is not just the best, but the most complex and sophisticated music of all time. People actually get filtered by it because it's not easy to understand, chromatic harmonies, free sophisticated forms and high tier lyricism scare them off, or they just don't want highly emotional narrative in music (they are repressing their emotions). So we end up with bunch of confused incels rotting their brain on outdated (baroque) or decadant (modern) music. Sad but true.

>>127620618
1817 to 1897 *

>>127620612
>The man helped his bear
>20 children.
>THE MAN HAD SEX

>>127620648
The baroque composers had wives and had sex regularly, its mostly the romantics' Like Berlioz, Schumann, Brahms, Chopin that wrote of unrequited love and other subjects that unsuccessful sex havers' write about. Schumann married someone who he knew since their childhood, Berlioz was a creeper, and Brahms was single most of his life. Compare this to Debussy, Ives, Stravinsky and Bartok who were married most of their lives.

>>127620646
>What starts at 74?
>he doesn't know

>>127620648
The Chromatic harmony is the best part about it, its the unrestrained emotionalism from neurotics that pervades the era is the most damaging to the spirit, its very non-platonic. Why do you think they were all mentally ill that ended up in mental institutions or killing themselves? I only listen to the cheerful ones like Grieg, Faure, Chabrier, Franck, Borodin, and Rimsky-Korsakov.

>>127620295
Essential listening but not good.

>>127620618
>the good romantics like Faure, Borodin, Chabrier, Dvorak, Franck, Grieg, and Rimsky-Korsakov were about the hit their stride
>the modernists were born during this time who will absorb the best of aspects of Romanticism and improve upon it.
>Ives was born during this year

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and Sibelius

That is all

>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minor

Do mozfart listseners really?

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>>127617106
A man is full of contradictions, but a man must have conviction. I will continue to spam regardless of your polite request, because that is what a man with convictions does

>>127621127
>>127621137
You must be 18 to post here

>>127620922
>its mostly the romantics' Like Berlioz, Schumann, Brahms, Chopin that wrote of unrequited love and other subjects that unsuccessful sex havers' write about.
It is a known fact that geniuses are asexual, asocial and never directly pass on their genes. Any mathematician, physicist, chemist, take any genius, they were almost exclusively childless and asexual. If someone had children, it's a good indicator that they were not a genius type.
This is a well studied phenomenon in psychology and anthropology. All geniuses exhibit very similar personality traits.
>>127620991
>neurotics
All geniuses are highly neurotic.

You need to start seeing the difference between an intelligent and a genius. A masterpiece and an adequate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz5oz4oL_ls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id5B6B8LPks

now playing

start of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqjO1rdkTDM&list=OLAK5uy_mN9V7lDt_95dbx1y0I0Fh6g1M1Isjnr78&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mN9V7lDt_95dbx1y0I0Fh6g1M1Isjnr78

And no, that's not David Foster Wallace on the cover.

>>127621557
>mathematician, physicist, chemist,
Have nothing to do with music and the kind of person who excels in these fields will not excel in music or the arts.

>>127616802
How many different sets of the piano concertos have you heard you think?

>>127621600
As I said, this applies to all geniuses. Most composers didn't have any children at all. Certainly not the important and great ones.

>>127621557
All the geniuses I listen to had children, your argument is invalid

>>127621623
>As I said, this applies to all geniuses. Most composers didn't have any children at all. Certainly not the important and great ones.
Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself

>Bach
>Mozart
>Debussy
>Stravinsky
>Wagner
>Liszt
>Bartok
>Prokofiev
>Schoenberg
>Shostakovich
>Steve Reich
Only people you're correct about are Ravel and Brahms, but it seems your theory applies to the technical fields, not the artistic ones.

Was there any composer who was so ahead of his time as Vivaldi?

>>127621623
>>127621664
And to add to the important ones, Messiaen and Ligeti had kids.

>>127621696
Only Gesualdo,Jean-Ferey Rebel and Ives comes to mind, but Vivaldi is truly goated, no other composer of that era comes close or betters him besides Marais and Bach

>>127621664
>your argument is invalid
It's not my argument but a well documented phenomenon by some of the best psychologists around the world. And yes, it applies to musicians just as well as mathematicians or artists, Beethoven being the prime example as his habits were documented by Czerny and other associates. Your judgement of music is quite poor.
>>127621700
Ain't that surprising

>>127621664
>>127621746
Not to mention, many composers on your list didn't have any children

you HAVE listened to Chopin's Nocturnes recently, right, anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RATimjx3jA&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=8

>>127621746
>Your judgement of music is quite poor.
Nope just posting facts, your theory is incorrect

>>127621773
>many composers on your list didn't have any children
post good bait at least

>>127621746
>Ain't that surprising
Messiaen and Ligeti all fall under the category of genius, from their idiosyncratic music to their widespread influence, you may not think its good, but that doesn't mean its not important.

>>127621746
>t's not my argument but a well documented phenomenon by some of the best psychologists around the world.
Weaselly "appeal to authority"

>>127621773
Actually the claim was childless and asexual

>>127621871
>post good bait at least
Okay I take that one back. Didn't think Prokofiev and Debussy had children.
>Messiaen and Ligeti all fall under the category of genius,
Anon I...

>>127621914
Well the authority isn't my argument at all, but it bears a mention.

>>127621664
>but it seems your theory applies to the technical fields,
It's probably wrong in that field as well

>>127621803
I've been listening to late nocturnes and mazurkas yes. Chopin's bel canto counterpoint is the most mesmerizing thing there is, played by the direct musical descendant of Chopin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFN_lT2ZbYo

>>127621958
You have no argument. You just stated that it's 'well known' that geniuses in all fields are all asexual and childless and experts say this trust the science. In regards to music your claim is demonstrably false and in fact the exact opposite is the case with the childless asexual composers being outliers

>>127622136
>You have no argument.
But enough about you. I don't care what "experts" say unless what they present is sound and reasonable.
>The International Handbook on Innovation, Larisa V. Shavinina (Ed.). Elsevier Science, Oxford, UK (2003),
Although what makes one a genius can be argued (Newton was, but what abous Euler? Who was more important?), the most prominent of all geniuses were still childless. Whereas if we expand the list to top 100s of all the important individuals, asexuals/childless are still vastly overrepresented. And there are simple explanations for it, but you don't sound like an ass, so I won't bother interacting.

>>127622136
>You have no argument.
But enough about you. I don't care what "experts" say unless what they present is sound and reasonable.
>The International Handbook on Innovation, Larisa V. Shavinina (Ed.). Elsevier Science, Oxford, UK (2003),
Although what makes one a genius can be argued (Newton was, but what abous Euler? Who was more important?), the most prominent of all geniuses were still childless. Whereas if we expand the list to top 100s of all the important individuals, asexuals/childless are still vastly overrepresented. And there are simple explanations for it, but you sound like an ass, so I won't bother interacting.

Having gone through a dozen full cycles of Beethoven's piano sonatas in the past couple months, and dabbled in about a dozen more, you would think I would be starting to tire of them by now, but nope, my love and appreciation of them, my starry-eyed wonder and ecstatic awe in witness of their genius, has only increased since and I'm sure will continue to evermore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAapbue97JE

>>127621940
>Anon I...
Once again, you may not think its good, but their works are highly original, which is a major category of genius. They are wheat amongst the chaff of the post ww2 fuckery and wankery. One note from either is highly distinct from people like Stockhausen or anyone from the Darmadst school

>>127622501
Stockhausen is grea too

>>127622501
I may think they are good, I may think some of my favorite composers are very good, but I would not compare them to the genius of Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Brahms, Handel, Tchaikovsky, or even Wagner, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Schumann (who had children, in contrast). Not all geniuses were childless, but you can see the obvious pattern. The most recognizable names were overwhelmingly childless.

>>127622616
>Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Brahms, Handel, Tchaikovsky,
These genius men were childless
>Wagner, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Schumann
These weren't, Haydn had an illegitimate son, so he straggles on both sides of this spectrum

>but I would not compare them to the genius of Beethoven,
I'm not comparing them and putting them into tiers of genius, but the giving them the categorical of genius, which they are. You are right about the technical geniuses being childless, but I don't think that applies to the artistic ones, as all of them tend to be varied in their states of mind.

>>127615937 (OP)
I am a /classical/-let, but I enjoy Gymnopedie No. 1 and Clair de Lune. Or something more modern like Avril 14th. I like classical music that is very ambient, psychedelic, dreamy, etc. idk where to find more other than just Impressionism.

>Hop in the general after a long day
>Anons are arguing about which composers were the biggest incels

What are some Bruckner 8s with briefer adagios? I know that 28-30 minutes is in line with how the movement was initially performed (As stated by Hanslick in his review), but I find a quicker tempo to be more engaging in the case of this movement.

https://youtu.be/_uI4wqh5db8?list=PLa1rC97wRkZh8XQu7zZXUhc_r-0EPFEX_

>>127623065
Böhm, pic related on Testament, not DG.

Saint-Saens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAwAQ6PesGQ&list=RDlAwAQ6PesGQ

>>127623065
https://www.abruckner.com/discography1/symphony8incminor/

>>127622719
>These weren't,
That's what I said. Read the post again.
>but I don't think that applies to the artistic ones
It applies slightly more to mathematicians/physicists, but is true for artists as well, as I explained in my previous post which you misread/didn't read.

>>127622729
For starters, you'll enjoy Chopin's nocturnes, preludes, Beethoven's moonlight sonata, piano sonata no.30 (especially andante movement), Schumann's Kinderszenen. Melancholic, dreamy classical. But you should not stop there and keep exploring whichever you liked the most. Once you reach other Beethoven sonatas or Chopin ballades, which can be more challenging as a listener, keep in mind that repeated listening helps, and is always more rewarding when it comes to more intricate pieces. And always try different recordings, don't stick to whatever youtube recommends.

>>127623538
Thank you, appreciate the recs. I'll check out Beethoven, Chopin, and Schumann.

>>127623569
Youu're welcome. Feel free to share your thoughts later, and you might get more recs.
I'm off to bed now.

Dooo deee do deet-deet. Doo deee do deet-deet. Doo dee doo dee doo deet-deet. Doo dee doo dee doo deet-deet. Da doooo deeee doo deet-deet.

>>127623663
I don't get it. Shosta?

>>127623485
My bad I thought you were only referring to Schumann in thay post
>you didn't read my post
I gave you more examples of geniuses with children than without, Beethoven, Handel and Brahms are of greater genius than Messiaen or Ligeti, but are easily matched by Bach and Mozart and other composers, I don't think childless artistic geniuses is a good case to make as the opposite is clearly more common.

>>127616028
It is the only actual music that exists. Everything else is unmusical nonsense

>>127615937 (OP)
I have a question about Mahler 2. Why in the first movement, there are two large pauses - at 12:53, and especially at the end of the second development around 16:38?

First time I listened to it, I thought the second movement ended twice (before it ended for real). The last two bars of the second development are even identical to the end of Mahler 1. Is there any idea behind this arrangement?

Mahler 2 pause 1: https://youtu.be/sHsFIv8VA7w?t=758
Mahler 2 pause 2: https://youtu.be/sHsFIv8VA7w?t=995

Mahler 1: https://youtu.be/cqVIMEQfEd4?t=3333

>>127621557
>Any mathematician, physicist, chemist, take any genius, they were almost exclusively childless and asexual
Wrong.

>>127623165
too bad most of the quicker ones aren't the Haas edition, though I guess the 1890 edition is good too.

>>127622303
how is euler's genius debatable?

>>127622303
Euler, Gauss, Riemann, Maxwell, Poincaré, Von Neumann, Einstein, Dirac etc…
All had children.

>>127625586
My mistake, Maxwell was married but didn’t have children.

>>127625586
Zelfs Dirac had kinderen, koek!

>>127624452
It's just something Mahler does a lot in his symphonies. It's like momentarily pausing in your speech for effect. It works quite well.

>mfw mahler 4 movement 1
:D
>mfw movement 2
:3
>mfw movement 3
:O
>mfw movement 4
;_;

now playing

start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47
www.youtube.com/watch?v=29rRkyjqRuQ&list=OLAK5uy_kg9dMLLRsrHAvMBMXXcg2a1NJLMZu2u6Q&index=1

start of Barber: Violin Concerto, Op. 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czNP6EcM8eg&list=OLAK5uy_kg9dMLLRsrHAvMBMXXcg2a1NJLMZu2u6Q&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kg9dMLLRsrHAvMBMXXcg2a1NJLMZu2u6Q

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F Couperin
L Couperin
Marin Marais
Sainte Colombe
Lanzetti
Eccles
Telemann
Corelli

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>>127627812
Ah thanks

>>127620295
she's mediocre, but she's more of a pop-star that happens to play classical, like Yo-Yo Ma, not a fan.

Beethoven and before, Haydn and after.

Monteverdi and before, Wagner and after

Notker the Stammerer and before, Billie Eilish and after.

>>127629628
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWQxLA03yw

Wagner before, Wagner after.

Rattle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35z37PVPFLY&list=OLAK5uy_kTXCqmNLK16txgypDargHmjs3vr-i2rIo&index=1

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=bvj25SpFUJ8

>>127615937 (OP)
/our guy/ is having a comeback!

What are some Mozartian romantic sonatas?

Is his Mahler underrated?

>>127631218
Isn't it obvious? Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms. To some extent Chopin and Mendelssohn.

>>127631297
The 1st and 4th are good
The 5th and 9th might have been good had they not been recorded like complete shit. They sound really bad sonically.

>>127621557
>Any mathematician, physicist, chemist, take any genius, they were almost exclusively childless and asexual.
As a mathematician interested in the history of the discipline (and other sciences), you are talking out of your ass. Most mathematicians (and other 18th-19th century scientists) had a perfectly banal home life; Euler himself had 13 children and was known to do mathematics while bobbing his grandkids on his knee. Godel is a complete whacko and not in any way representative of the community -- his closest friend Einstein was married twice with multiple children.

I really dislike people who speak so assuredly on matters they clearly know nothing of.

>>127631340
>I really dislike people who speak so assuredly on matters they clearly know nothing of.

then follow your own advice and leave. I guarantee you aren't an expert on music.

>>127631340
I am a mathematician myself anon, so why are you so arrogant?
No, I'm not talking out of my ass. In the discussion I mentioned (and not many read apprently), what defines a "genius" can indeed make the difference. If you take the most important among the scholars/mathematicians, Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Descartes, Kant, Coperinicus, Galileo, Kepler, Darwin, Einstein, only 5 had children. Narrow it down to Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, they had 0. Surely we can make a distinction between Newton, Leibniz and the rest, there is no doubt that they were towering geniuses and stood above all. And this pattern is observed not just in science/math, but arts.

Data is always more nuanced than "true!!" and "false!!" And as a mathematician you should be able to understand that false dichotomy. Unless you studied pure math, then I understand you might be schizophrenic, which is confirmed by your last statement either way.

>>127632234
a) I had understood you to refer to important mathematicians in general, not whomever you mean by "genius".
b) With the exception of Einstein and Darwin, all the thinkers you mention come from before the mid 18th century. Do you not think that might have anything to do with the problem? Looks to me like it's a question social mores and standards of the time, and less of genius!=married life. As I've already stated (feel free to disprove this), most of important 19th century scientists were married with children.

>>127632361
>not whomever you mean by "genius".
It's not just me but a general consensus among mathematicians, and in this context that's important.
>less of genius!=married life.
This topic is very nuanced. Before 19th century the upper class had much higher fertiliry than lower and middle class society. This can be seen in data collected by english and swiss scholars which was later analyzed in books by important psychologists. This trend started to reverse after industrial revolution, when medicine improved, contraception became popular, religiousness declined (among upper class, and religiousness is positively correlated with fertilify), so fertiliy rates among lower class was starting to become much higher, and Darwin, among other scholars (such as Benedict Morell, Francis Galton) warned of " degenerate underclass" as early as 19th century. And now it is more apparent than ever, most imnovators of 20th century were childless. More so than 18th and 19th century innovators.

Scriabi :3

Beethoven, Brahms and Bruckner are literally incel music
Scriabin is sex haver music

>>127631297
If Tarantino hired a retard to play Nice Guy Eddie

>>127632593
Scriabin is badass male music for men.

>>127631297
Yes, it's a very, very good cycle. One of the best 4ths, 5ths, and 6ths, great 3rd and 7th, and I can't remember how the 1st is. The 10th I've heard is a disappointment so I've never listened to it. And his live 2nd that's its own thing is worth listening to as well.

>>127631297
>>127632678
Oh great 9th too.

>>127632666
Trips of trvth

>>127632686
What about his Mahler 8?

>>127632750
:(

Which is a shame because Levine is a great choral conductor! As one can see from his Beethoven Missa Solemnis, Berlioz Requiem, Brahms German Requiem, Haydn Mass in the Time of War, Mozart Coronation Mass... I feel like there's one more great one I'm forgetting but yeah, those ones, all solid, if not great.

>>127622616
Another genius musician ,Morrisey, is possibly asexual

now playing

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 18
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbwQuTTvsgM&list=OLAK5uy_mVVnswE6Hw8hbJsbvogyDqohKulRuchjE&index=1

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqsfq--Abx4&list=OLAK5uy_mVVnswE6Hw8hbJsbvogyDqohKulRuchjE&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mVVnswE6Hw8hbJsbvogyDqohKulRuchjE

Looking through the Amazon community reviews, as I always do for recordings I pick, one person writes,
>January 2005 Update: The most recent issue of "BBC Music Magazine," p. 52, rates recordings of the Second Piano Concerto. Of all modern recordings, this one comes up tops, bettered only by a 1965 recording by Ashkenazy (which I own and find rather lifeless). The reviewer is the British pianist Lucy Parham (who calls this recording a treasure). So all the enthusiasm in these listener reviews is not misplaced. Now if Sony will reissue this in SACD, I will be very happy.

So that's neat. Should be good!

I just witnessed the best heroic polonaise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_a8MwNdyic
The way he delays certain notes in the main melody (like the first F note) just HITS the spot. Ahhhhhhh

Cortot's Chopin collections consists of 5 volumes, they're all worth hearing at least once. Especially waltzes, etudes, 3rd sonata, polonaise-fantaisie. And most of it is criminally good.

>>127632888
Anons have been singing Cortot's praises for quite a while here, particularly his Schumann and Chopin. This might be what provides me with the push needed to finally check out his recordings.

>>127632888
Ruined by hiss

>>127632907
I do praise him often, yes
>>127632913
Anon... You're missing out some of the best playing. It's not THAT hissy, c'mon.

Richter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJr3NQLL2EA&list=OLAK5uy_lhkMxPuCFkNNhZBmEEya8N8MaPp9Bt0TY&index=1

>>127632932
Well, I'm sold. I added a 5 hour and 41 minute long collection that was remastered by that Reference Recordings dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrpn8Cel0k&list=OLAK5uy_kq0IuqtytO7D1PDyaIKn5YBDRkphr-0es&index=66

>>127633000
Good. I downloaded his Schumann remaster collection (probably compiled by himself), but didn't listen to his Chopin remasters yet, Naxos has Cortot album and it's not mastered as far as I can tell, hiss is there. I'll compare the two shortly and post if I notice any big differences.

>>127633055
These remasters always stick out to me because a) idk how or why but often times his remaster ends up replacing other versions of the release on YouTube Music and b) I know some of the more informed posters here hate his remasters for whatever reason, and their vitriol has biased my perception somewhat

>>127633055
>>127633086
probably a scheme to siphon off royalties to be quite honest

The remasters add more hiss

Beethoven's final four piano sonatas are so powerful, sublime, and transcendent, I find myself avoiding listening to any of them more than once in a two-to-three month period. Anyone else know this feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg9cE-ceso

>>127625703
Thank you! Can I ask you to show me some other examples from Mahler, please? I guess I might not have looked for that specifically, but I feel I would have noticed.

now playing

start of Mahler: Symphony No. 4 in G Major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIU8Yr70dzk&list=OLAK5uy_ktZuUgbyWNrSUvSU78cZWBGVHcqWUfULs&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktZuUgbyWNrSUvSU78cZWBGVHcqWUfULs

>Osmo Vänksä and the Minnesota Orchestra’s cycle of Mahler symphonies has so far received mixed reviews, largely on account of Vänskä’s unwillingness to perform the von-Karajan-like or Bernstein-like “cosmic-scale” cinematography that has become associated with Mahler’s 2nd, 5th, and 6th symphonies. In this new recording of Mahler’s 4th symphony, Vänskä’s usual reticence becomes a boon in the first and last movements, and he indulges in a few powerful moments where necessary. The music is rife first with uncertainty and, eventually, serenity, but it never becomes oversaturated. This recording is powerful, and should convert some skeptics.

[...]

>Some will complain that Vänskä still doesn’t conduct Mahler as we know and love; judging by only the second movement, I would agree. But for the rest, I find his approach perfectly subjective and cinematic. The outstanding recording quality and superb musicians combine with Vänskä’s light touch to make a wonderful addition to this cycle.

>>127633086
>his remaster ends up replacing other versions of the release on YouTube Music
Cortot-Chopin and Schuman-Chopin original by naxos is still there. Are you sure other versions are being replaced? Maybe they weren't there in the first place
>some of the more informed posters
Besides sisterposter, was there anyone else?

Trying to compare the two version of the same waltz (op.64 no.2)....
Now I realized there are many different recordings of the waltz, I think I found the same recording you posted (but without remaster?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUyvgGBKJaA
As for the difference in audio quality, I honestly can't hear it. Maybe this one is also remastered. I had to sift through a few recordings of that waltz by Cortot, so this might take some time

>>127633258
>Schuman-Chopin
**Cortot-Schumann

>>127632888
Thoughts on Lhevinne?
https://litter.catbox.moe/lxru2rp5dh3z301k.mp3

>>127633258
>Cortot-Chopin and Schuman-Chopin original by naxos is still there. Are you sure other versions are being replaced? Maybe they weren't there in the first place
I didn't mean necessarily in this situation, but in others (like with Milstein's Bach Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin).

>Besides sisterposter, was there anyone else?
That other anon who loves old recordings and performance practice, and occasionally posts their own homemade fixes and cleanups of recordings also agreed I believe.

>>127633258
>>127633277
And ah, honestly I'm fine with the remaster set I posted primarily for the convenience of having them all in one spot, so unless the difference is egregious (I, of course, appreciate you checking it out and comparing), I'm fine with it in this situation.

>>127633237
Every movement of the 3rd, minus the choral BIMM BAMM 5th (and maybe finale), uses the deadstops to great effect. Don't tell anyone but I like to think of them as similar to EDM drops but symphonic, haha. If It's in any symphony after that, I'd have to double check, but yeah, the 3rd is where it's most pronounced and is most memorable to me.

>>127633267
I like Lhevinne, sounds really good so far. But Cortot has very special way of articulation, giving it a "singing", emotiomal character, which I love. Lhevinne is pretty close.
>>127633277
>>127633291
>but in others
Oh well, that sucks. Even on amazon music and other streaming services? I just rip from these streaming services (with a bot) since they don't allow me to play without account
>and occasionally posts their own homemade fixes and cleanups of recordings
Didn't know anons did masterings on /classical/

So I tried ballade no.1 and sonata no.w by naxos and the reference guy, also different recordings. Hard to compare like this. But anyhow, the reference guy's album doesn't sound bad at all.

>>127633375
>sonata no.w
2

>>127633375
I only know with YouTube Music. I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure even in the cases where they removed the original recording, the remaster is more than fine. It just bothered me more not out of quality, but out of fidelity -- ex. the version of Milstein's famous Bach S&P I wanna listen to is the same one everyone else who has been praising it throughout history has listened to, y'know! Which is why in that case I just went and downloaded it. There are a couple other examples but I can't quite remember off the top of my head. Oh wait, Gilels' Scarlatti is another one. That's the one I posted where the sisterposter gave me shit for it I believe lol.

>But anyhow, the reference guy's album doesn't sound bad at all.
Good to know, thanks :) I can hopefully let go of my unfounded bias then haha

>>127633416
Ok Etudes seem to be the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovsEQxVawC0&list=OLAK5uy_mphx7jlWoHWasLoF-ayWziPbkOU-WeZCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSX8_qQjgy0&list=OLAK5uy_kq0IuqtytO7D1PDyaIKn5YBDRkphr-0es

I'm playing them at the same time, but one of them starts lagging behind after 20-30 seconds, meaning one of them was stretched or cut. Lol

Assuming they are the same recording, the original seems to be more clean, the harmony is a bit more blurry in remaster. But it's louder, and sounds "fuller". Overall, the difference is not huge, but I think I slightly prefer original. Or maybe my perception is also biased, and there's no significant difference at all.
>where the sisterposter gave me shit for it I believe lol.
He gave quite a lot of shit and stank up this place for a long time.
>I can hopefully let go of my unfounded bias then haha
Hopefully!

The reason that the Classical Music Reference Recording guy sucks is that he makes unnecessary and often invasive changes to the music that doesn't even sound better than the original. Look at his remaster of Klemperer's Missa Solemnis and just see how woefully terrible it is by comparison to the 2023 Art et Son transfer.

There is literally no reason to use his inferior garbage over whatever original recording. Naxos has actually talented transfer engineers working on actual shellacs and transferring them digitally to bring us their records. They carefully modify it in post processing to make it easier on the ear. The Classical Music Reference Recording takes those transfers (he does not make his own) and then applied his shitty post processing over it and claims it's an improvement. It's stolen valor and not even good stolen valor at that.

>>127633510
Upon further investigation, they are the same recordings. The same wrong notes in ocean and winter wind etudes. So you can compare these etudes.
>>127633637
Yes that's what I noticed, he overcompressed these recordings. And steetched them apparently, since one starts lagging behind when I play them at the same time.
>Naxos has actually talented transfer engineers working on actual shellacs
Naxos' versions do sound more clean. But if Mahlerkun doesn't care about the differences here>>127633510, it's not *horrible* and still listenable.

>>127633510
>but one of them starts lagging behind after 20-30 seconds, meaning one of them was stretched or cut.
>>127633683
>And steetched them apparently, since one starts lagging behind when I play them at the same time.
:O yikes

>>127633637
thanks

Why doesn't Brahms music ever go anywhere?

>>127634260
It goes up your ass last time I checked

I love how wildly different these two interpretations of op. 61 are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZhH3dAMTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0a3JqX62c

>>127634506
Sadly not and stop checking my ass

>>127634868
Then stop askin for it.

>>127615937 (OP)
I don't know where else to ask, but where would you place a piano in a room?

I'm upgrading to a 6ft grand. The brown block on the right side is a bookcase that can't be moved.

Really looking for a balance between sound, aesthetics, and piano care. I realize by windows is generally bad, but it's an older yamaha so it's really no loss if the paint fades in the next 10 years. It does have a damp chaser. HVAC is a heat pump on the top wall.

I think I like option 1 or two the best visually, but option 3 is probably the best for the piano and sound. Also have a small work desk in here.

>>127634942
>bookcase that can't be moved.
Why? Is it made of bedrock???

Hurwitz praising the fuck out of Fantano in his latest vid

>>127634988
Unsubscribing.

>>127634961
Custom built-in with cabinets at the base.

>>127634942
Where are the doors in that room?

Saint-Saëns' classical, restrainted, elegant and very French style vs Franck's wagnerian, chromatic, intensely emotional and un-French (at the time) style.

Which do you prefer and why?

The premiere of César Franck’s Piano Quintet in F minor (1879) featured Saint-Saëns at the piano, to whom the work was originally dedicated.

At the end of the performance, Saint-Saëns abruptly left the stage, leaving the score behind—widely interpreted as a serious sign of his disdain.

Regarding Franck’s Prélude, Choral et Fugue, Saint-Saëns critiqued:
>Piece of a unsightly and inconvenient execution, where the Choral is not a choral, where the Fugue is not a fugue, because it loses courage as soon as its exposure is finished, and continues with endless digressions…

Franck rarely criticized; he was mild and kind by nature, but his students (like Vincent d’Indy) were sharper, seeing Saint-Saëns as superficial compared to Franck’s “serious” art.

Saint-Saëns was the most internationally famous French composer in 19th century, whereas Franck's influence was much deeper according to critics .

>>127634663
I paused my lo-fi beats for this

>>127635511
It's marked on the bottom wall with the swing direction. Marks on left and top walls are windows.

>>127634663
niggas coughing in the background at 7:07 nonono

>>127635554
...
>Surprisingly, the same reaction also befell the dedicatee of the work, the composer and pianist Camille Saint-Saëns. At the premiere performance held at the Société Nationale de Musique — an organisation founded to promote French Art — Saint-Saëns sight-read the piano part. Eyewitnesses report that he was getting highly emotional and enraged during the performance, apparently discovering some secret code or covert message in the score. Once finished, César Franck went on stage to congratulate the performers, but Saint-Saëns angrily refused to shake hands and stormed off stage, leaving behind the manuscript score dedicated to him. Even more curious is the fact that he actively discouraged all further performances of the work. Given these rather severe reactions to a piece of music, it is hardly surprising to locate an extra-musical reason for such scorching responses. And that reason was a young and beautiful private organ and composition student of César Franck’s. Augusta Holmès, so the composer reports, “arouses me in the most unspiritual desires”. Félicité clearly understood that the pervasive emotionality and infatuation expressed musically was solely intended for this “impure and seductive student”. And Saint-Saëns, together with Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov and almost the entire male faculty of the Paris Conservatoire, was passionately in love with Augusta. In fact, Saint-Saëns had numerously proposed marriage to Holmès, but had always been sweetly ignored.
https://pianopracticaleditions.com/franck/
>>127635653
>lo-fi beats
Get out.

>>127635742
I'm listening to Mega Man 1-10 Soundtracks now and they've been called modern day Baroque

He seemed to despise (in the manner of a religious prude) the coarser side of human nature and to blush for the temptations he had had, and to fear to soil our love by a further ecstasy.

>>127615937 (OP)
Happy birthday Debussy, hoping for some pieces where you can hear the influence of his great friend Erik Satie.

>>127615957
Like this would be so good if he went for a more repetitive minimalist Satie style instead of this conventional filler, love that melody at 5 minutes.

>>127616140
Actual Satie! And a rare one too from his Rosicrucian period. These were composed for a play for a guy who wanted some Wagnerian epics (kek).
The First Act contains the elusive "7th" Gnossienne, which was among the first composed and the first performed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipp1xwm0bzo
I really like his Sonneries de la Rose+Croix too.

>Bartók
Never listened to him even though I'm Hungarian, actually feels quite Satiesque, nice.

>>127615957
Very Jazzy sounding

>>127634942
4 is best

Why are there so many Haydn string quartets I've been listening to these things for days and I'm only halfway through

Is there any Jazz impression? like Debussy with drums and bass?

How do I not doze off listening to Haydn? It's so cheerful, major key and non-lyrical, I can't pay attention to it most of the time. excepting few symphonies and sonatas here and there.

>>127636469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEEdL80KTVw

>>127632361
Newton and Leibniz were products of their time. Both lived during the period following a great cataclysm in their respective countries. In times of high uncertainty, it becomes more challenging to secure the requisite financial stability necessary for marriage. Furthermore, both Newton and Leibniz grew up in a strict Protestant society (Newton was essentially a puritan by birth), an atmosphere that is hardly conducive to sexual reproduction.

>>127634942
4 imo

>>127636450
A man can waste a lifetime on Haydn's mountain of music

>>127631375
>please leave so I can talk to myself all day

Huh, Zubin Mehta is still alive at 89 years old and just came out with a new Brahms cycle (piano concertos included with Bronfman on the piano). These conductors really don't retire until they're dead, huh? You gotta appreciate the passion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNXtlOEmE1M&list=OLAK5uy_nq9rtqaTLvtoInM-aG9lLJziPDxELA5F4&index=4

>>127637591
Honestly I only really respect it if the conductor can keep the fire in their belly. Like Monteux and Stokowski kept on trucking even when they were old as shit and that fiery Brahms 4 was conducted by Stokowski when he had one foot in the grave.

Meanwhile, gotta say, I can definitely hear Mehta's age here. Bronfman plays well, though.

>>127637626
>that fiery Brahms 4 was conducted by Stokowski when he had one foot in the grave.
Didn't know that. I almost wanna chart out the last few recordings made by famous, renowned conductors before they died, as there's generally been a kind of mythical context attached to them if they turn out good (eg Karajan's VPO Bruckner 8).

>Meanwhile, gotta say, I can definitely hear Mehta's age here. Bronfman plays well, though.
Thanks for checkin' it out.

>>127636461
iHe's called Bill Evans, and to a lesser extent Mccoy Tyner and Ahmad Jamal

>>127637703
Technically I heard it months ago. Was comparing it to the Thielemann and Levit recording. Which is horrendous, by the way. Terribly recorded too.

>>127637804
I don't wanna name names but a lot of recent big name recordings of Brahms' piano concertos have proved disappointing, that one included, yeah.

exquisite, aching beauty
There are a few moments in our otherwise dreary walk through this vale of tears when we lift our our eyes and wonder at the profound and ethereal beauty of something other...when we are reminded that there is far more to life than bills and diapers and dishes and laundry....that there is something other that lifts up the soul and speaks to that place in your heart that you forgot was there - that place in your heart that you buried in the mundanities of life, where you used to romp as a child, dreaming of fairies and unicorns and rainbows and magicians thundering and wizards striking and elves in courtly dances....
It is a place that we sent to sleep for a while and got busy slowly dying.

...but there are moments when we are reminded of beauty. Hearing Helene Grimaud play Brahms is one of the moments where words fail and you are buried in the colors of magic and rainbows and storms and lightening - and your breath is taken away for just a moment and everything is right again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-qwPX5Q-N0&list=OLAK5uy_kKhStC5VHnduG-u_YT19CJ6I6ZzHzBVxA&index=4

>>127615937 (OP)
I like music and specifically classical music because it directly stimulates my very being. Usually if I read a book or watch a movie there are a few layers of mental processing, before eventual emotion materializes. But music, especially instrumental music entirely bypasses any conscious thought and speaks directly to me. Sure we can discuss technicalities - and they are very useful as they allow us to measure our opinion more precisely but liking on not liking any piece of music is entirely subjective. And no one should fault anyone for liking or disliking a piece of music. What do you think?

Listening to Shostakovich 4th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzmcnMrRHR4

>>127638004
I agree with your sentiment. have you read Schopenhauer?

>>127632482
regardless, the copypasta that's being spammed about bach's music having sexual energy in it while most other classical music doesn't is ridiculous, it's just one person's subjective feels about what music means to thhem

>wake up
>"hmm, think I'll start the day with Celibidache's Bruckner 9"
>finish listening to it
>days already over
damn

>>127638502
lmao

>>127635005
why the fuck were you subscribed to Hurwitz

>>127635554
Saint-Saëns was a really bitter guy.

>Saint-Saens relates that the last time he saw Wagner, in 1876, at a soiree given at Wahnfried, to which he was taken 'against his will' by Liszt, the Meister asked him, 'Are you angry with me on account of a bad joke?' To which Saint-Sains replied, 'It would have been so easy for you not to have perpetrated it.' And Wagner answered not a word.

>>127638799
Saint-Saens was literally a faggot.

>>127638875
Then why would he propose to a woman?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sZgaMflhJw

>>127639343
buy an ad for your click bait slop you retarded fucking faggot.

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4KWmYq6nI

Listening through the Cortot Chopin set, y'know, the hiss becomes kinda comforting after a bit. Makes me wanna listen to some string quartet recordings with hiss

>>127639498
>Makes me wanna listen to some string quartet recordings with hiss
chamber music and piano music usually do very well on historical recordings all things considered, because their frequency range isn't really that high to begin with

same reason why lieder and opera recordings for historical stuff is highly tolerable too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkB3_LbPFOk&list=OLAK5uy_limrmI5R0H_trLh3tXq0Maq1Gd337HJO4&index=5

>>127639812
I don't know if I could listen to hours of that but for one work, that's pretty comfy. I do like the Busch Quartet's Beethoven SQ cycle too.

>>127639498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk0WwkVKtVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZQIj-qM8Hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Neb1uT4k0

to me hiss just sounds like rain falling, anyway all the best stuff in any genre is lo-fi.

>>127639498
>the hiss becomes kinda comforting after a bit. Makes me wanna listen to some string quartet recordings with hiss
I lol'd.
Because I got used to hiss as well, it doesn't bother me and in fact can enhance the experience, giving it more sovl.

>>127639498
>>127640519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHSkQjjiZA0&list=PLUy8QJ0ZzVPni2-HlRft7dLzk5K6mfqxQ&index=18
Here are Beethoven SQ's btw, shilled by that HofmannScores guy.

>mfw the Alban Berg Quartet has the best Beethoven, Mozart, Schubert, and Bartok string quartet cycles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IjznTlOIwM

>>127640587
How about Takacs?

>>127640606
Can't go wrong with them. I prefer the ABQ's generally more leisurely and warm playing. Takacs can be a bit too aggressive for my tastes, at least if we're splitting hairs amongst the best sets. But if you like that, then hell yeah, go for it.

>>127640628
I'll listen to ABQ since I haven't, Takacs was always my go-to

>>127640659
Just depends what you're into. That's the point of the assorted variety in ensembles and performers, different flavors for everyone. But yes, their sets are essential listening. As with all things in classical music, you don't reach the peak of popularity and critical acclaim without standout quality. Of course, just because something has reasons to like it does not mean everyone has to like it, but it's certainly worth your time to find out.

Any hiss recommendations for (complete sets of) Liszt's Transcendental Etudes? I'm just not feeling any of these modern sets, so I wanna see if the older generation did it better. I already love Arrau so you can skip his.

>>127640550
desu much as i like Busch i don't find them top tier in Beethoven

very good in their own right but Capet were better

>>127640805
Vegh and Barylli are my old generation favs for Beethoven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M3LzeHya-8

oh yeah

That said I only listen to modern ensembles now.

>>127640753
Here's no.5 by Liszt's pupil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-e8uCEmdC0
But I'm not very acquainted with these etudes.

AI prompt: create me recordings of Bruckner's 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th symphonies conducted by Carlo Maria Giulini and performed by the Wiener Philharmonic

also when looking for an image to use with this post, I came across this wordpress with this interesting impression,
>There was a significant transformation in Giulini’s musical style over the roughly quarter-century that these recordings cover. His early performances have a distinctly Dionysian feel while “late Giulini” is unmistakably Apollonian.
>Some observers consider the middle period — when the Dionysian and Apollonian forces were in perfect balance — to be his prime. But the fact that they’re all effective shows that when a great artist has something important to say, there’s no single “right” way to say it.

https://welltempered.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/classical-music-review-madison-writer-recounts-the-life-and-career-of-conductor-carlo-maria-giulini-in-“serving-genius-”-part-2-of-2

I know my Nietzsche but I'd love to know what the writer meant by that. Whenever I listen to Giulini from now on, I'm gonna have those words in mind, mulling over just how Apollonian vs. Dionysian I think the current performance is.

>>127640913
huh, cute, thanks

Bumphooven

Buumphoven!

Where is Dr Jekyll and Mrs Hyde?

>>127621187
> I couldn't help myself. It's my nature.

>Belle Delphine cosplaying Mozart, artists interpretation
looks bad but look at the title of the composition lolol

>>127643289
>HISS

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>>127643505
i am wanking now

How did this imbecile end up on /classical/?

>>127643550
banned from /gif/ most likely.

I'm stunned at the difference between these two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbblMw6k1cU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Aj7EkefGQ
The first is incredible. The flashy second one sounds like a clown theme at parts.

>>127643746
Obviously you have an amateur youtuber compared to a professional concert pianist here.

Also worth noting is the 2nd is played on a midi piano hooked up to pianoteq. Pianoteq in particular is one of the shittiest sounding digital piano sounds ever in my opinion. Its so metallic and hollow sounding. The reverb in particular is especially shit. Might as well hook up an old roland keyboard through a boss reverb pedal.

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I can’t believe the sisterposter had the gall to call a chad sexhaver like Scriabin an incel- while meanwhile Beethoven, Brahms and Buckner were literally factually incels

>>127645185
>Beethoven, Brahms and Buckner were literally factually incels
You shut your whore mouth! Don't let the reddit fags find out, otherwise they'll try to claim our heroes as being secretly gay men.

>>127645185
It's literally just because his and Chopin's names end in -in, that's all there is to it lol

>>127645934
Yeah I know

>>127645743
Chopin may have been a homosexual

>>127645980
thanks rachmincel

>>127646141
Who's Rachmin? I've never heard of him

>>127646155
it's how they pronounce Rachmaninoff in India

>>127646164
Can they not say Off in India

>>127646219
No because they don't get off in India

>>127646141
Not even me. Rent free

>>127646421
thanks Rachmaninoffacel

>>127646431
Just Chopincel, thank you.

now playing

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 12 in E-Flat Major, Op. 127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyhlhnqCxXY&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=35

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 18 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a3WEtphVUU&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=39

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 11 in F Minor, Op. 95, "Quartetto serioso"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZRUbp9RpIE&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=43

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM

When composers reuse their old material - themes/structure whatever
>LOL. what a hack!
>he ran out of ideas at this point....
>meh, so repetitive

When Beethoven does it
>OHHHHHH LOOOK AT THE CROSS-ATLANRIC CYCLIC FORM THIS KEY WAS USED 79 OPUSES BACK
>WOW. IS THAT FROM THAT OTHER PIECE?!?!?!?!
>HOLY SHIT, A GENIUS!

>>127647192
>>WOW. IS THAT FROM THAT OTHER PIECE?!?!?!?!
idk why but this one makes me lol

I finally understand how Schubert was so productive and prolific, most of his pieces are him coming up with one great theme and repeating it over and over.

>>127647305
Beethoven and Haydn were much more repetitive than Schubert.

kek didn't know Hurwitz gave Haitink's recording of Vaughan Williams' 8th+9th a 1 rating.

>The accolades that Bernard Haitink’s wretchedly dreary Vaughan Williams cycle consistently receives in the UK only serve to prove, as if further proof were necessary, just what poor custodians of their musical culture so many British critics are. The performances in this cycle have been uniformly dismal, but this last disc in the series plumbs new depths of dullness.

>Perhaps you thought that Haitink already had hit bottom with his unspeakably boring Covent Garden La Forza del Destino a couple of years ago. No such luck. If he keeps on this way, the only fitting epitaph when he finally goes will be Dorothy Parker’s celebrated line on being told that Calvin Coolidge had died: “How can they tell?” she quipped.

>What makes this disc so atrocious isn’t just that Haitink’s inimitably tedious style manifests itself in slower than desirable tempos. No indeed; he achieves an apotheosis of dullness that includes rhythm, phrasing, dynamics, and timbre in a sort of multidimensional extravaganza of ennui.

ouch

>>127647192
It's Bach he basically reused The Cello Suites in his English Suits and French Suites-it's just the same thing over and over again and people claim he's a genius. Or take the Prelude in G from the Cello suite-a total ripoff of his own Prelude in C from WTC

Everyone except the second viennese is a fraud.

everyone who used developing variation technique is a fraud.

music should be completely formless and aleatoric.

>>127647305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCgAlwvOZOE&list=OLAK5uy_l0rzDqejuoEyqKq-ksiLv8V7KI6J8Wwpk&index=6
it just werks

>>127648132
Bach never intended those works to be anything more than exercises for students. If he wanted the “cello” suites published, he would have done so during his lifetime.

>>127650185
So they were just exercises?

>>127650217
no that anon is retarded

>>127650291
>You’re retard
I have never met an intelligent person who thought that was a compelling argument.

Hey, hey, relax guy, Yo Yo Ma made millions off those exercises!

>>127650391
i haven't really listened to his stuff but it's probably heavily processed similarly to pop music, especially the stuff he recorded for non-classical music with pop artists, for movie soundtracks, performing at live events (even faking it for obama's inauguration) so he could play just about anything and it would sound good. similar story with "river flows in you", amateur musicians are delusional thinking they can get the same success if they just come up with the right composition but use naive recording/production techniques, they're unable to appreciate the subtleties in the sound of a record so they think the beatles would become a huge success even starting from scratch with a couple of microphones and a focusrite scarlett interface as if their main thing wasn't that they were backed by a huge recording corporation so they had top-tier studio equipment and innovated numerous recording techniques.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recording_practices_of_the_Beatles

even this lullaby, which is a bullshit meme even for babies, but he makes it sound pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6nb35I9w-8

>>127643239
A man is as much a beast as he is a man, so BABIAA

especially pink floyd, people are willing to say that they're overrated as hell, their success was manufactured at the same studio as the beatles

LMAO these Niggers expect Bach to be played like Chopin, lovingly on a Steinway piano. Glen gets Bach and you don't. He isn't meant to sound 'good' there's plenty a neurotic romantic if that's what you desire

>>127650667
Pink Floyd and The Beatles are both pure kino, my lad

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>>127650647
His Bach cello suites are excellent, as are many of his other classical recordings

>>127650695
>LMAO these [people] expect Bach to be played like Chopin, lovingly on a Steinway piano.
Yes.

>>127650741
you've been manipulated, the "GOATed artists" all benefited from technological trickery, even in 2025 when people claim it is easy to produce music, 99% of people don't get close to the same technical quality, they get almost zero success even though they believe their songwriting is good enough for them to release music, so either their songwriting is ass or something else is ass, but they're delusional, they blame anyone but themselves, thinking the algorithm doesn't promote them because they don't have a big marketing budget etc

>>127650695
Gould's no more authentic to Bach than the most thoroughgoing romantic interpretation.

>>127650756
That's not Bach-there's no love or romance in his music

>>127651038
That's one of the traits which makes Bach's music so fantastic, it sings through many different tones of interpretation.

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>>127650665
Your ego is a slave to your id