Thread 128307511

I invite you to read this article on how hip hop changed America

https://semmelweis7.substack.com/p/hip-hop-as-anti-white-kulturkampf

>>128307511 (OP)
>Jews did something to destroy whites
No way.

>>128307511 (OP)
A lot of nonsense in that article. Way over-intellectualizes HH and even overstates its actual importance.

>Will hip hop music and culture be the voice of the global south in the 21st century?
At that point it was time to stop taking him seriously.

>unironically using the phrase "global south"

if HH is anti-white kulturekampf, it didn't really accomplish that goal since the main victims of HH culture are blacks who are swayed into it and get shot or end up in prison.

>>128307511 (OP)
>Another /pol/ thread

yawn

Realistically it had 15 years in the 80s-90s as a viable, organic format.

>as if anyone actually thinks Kendrick is anything but a corporate DEI meat puppet

Is this the result of societal black fatigue or have the media jews decided to stop pushing it for the moment knowing that too many people have woken up?

>>128307603
USAID bucks ran out and a bunch of criminal outfits funding rap were RICO-ed.

>>128307581
>Realistically it had 15 years in the 80s-90s as a viable, organic format.

Pretty much all genres of modern music do. Rock effectively died because there's only so many notes or tones you can fuck around with

>"Hip hop, while it is easily the most verbose of all the musical forms, is also among the most emotionally stunted and immature in its lyrical content.
Comically so, yes..
>"Rapping was built almost entirely around braggadocio, and remains so now."
Rap did NOT start out that way.

Fun Fact: the very first real rap song came from the US government (really) in the early 1960's; it was a PSA done in a light-hearted manner.

>>128307626
thanks for the tip /r/music

>>128307622
>USAID bucks ran out
the timing is interesting

>>128307626
>Rock effectively died because there's only so many notes or tones you can fuck around with
there's no way you can run out of ways to do music. of course HH isn't music so it's inherently limited.

>>128307581
>Realistically it had 15 years in the 80s-90s as a viable, organic format.
as soon as NWA was a hit everyone copied that formula and that has been the only format since - Drake changed things a bit, with the introspection and mood-heavy stuff.
But other than that, it's just been version after version of NWA.

>>128307622
This makes a lot of sense. How did 12% of the population dominate the charts for decades?

the fuck is this "HH" bullshit? lololol wtf

>>128307678
Hulk Hogan

>>128307668
really the late 90s was when rap became a 100% gangsta monoculture

>>128307732
It's funny since all the early guys were kinda trying to fix that shit. Run DMC, Rakim, Grandmaster Flash.
>It's like a jungle sometimes
>It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

i find it more puzzling that leftists started dickriding rap in the 2010s because used to be the social justice crowd disliked it for being violent, misogynistic etc and a lot of black leaders like Jesse Jackson etc used to criticize it as well.

>>128307808
They have no values and consistent principles. That should help you. They rugpull you on a dime, then larp like they're passionate about current thing with the fire of a thousand suns. But it's all fake and gay. They don't believe in anything. You can't depend on understanding them about anything.

>>128307808
it was more that the boomers who remembered a pre-rap world retired and you had younger people especially younger blacks who didn't know a world where there was anything but rap. it's actually rather too bad because a lot of blacks don't imagine there being anything else to listen to unless it's at a party/family gathering and their grandpa tells them to turn that bullshit off.

>>128307833
was that like how 70s liberals pushed for the Sexual Revolution and freedom to fuck everything that moves only now to cancel a 26 year old guy for dating a 19 year old woman?

>>128307864
>>128307833
>>128307808
why do you guys not understand the concept of generations and current young people have different beliefs than their parents? a "liberal" in 1970 is not a "liberal" today.

>>128307864
That wasn't inconsistent at all, when they wanted freedom to have sex with everything that moves, it always meant "freedom for LGBT to have sex with everything that moves."

>>128307864
Yeah, it's impossible to make sense of them, so it's best to just ignore them. How do you work with people who are like this? You don't. Look at immigration issues now. They're throwing a fit at every step, and escalating a crisis, but not even that long ago, they said all the same shit Trump does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgXPtDR-xQ

>>128307833
spectacular amounts of projection

>>128307511 (OP)
>TLC and Frank Ocean are hip hop

>>128307511 (OP)
Yo it's me Barack Obama! I'm the cool black president that made you all feel good! Hip Hop! Basketball! Drone striking Yemenis! You can be cool, hip and definitely not racist if you vote for me! Hope and Change!

>>128307511 (OP)

Don't forget that hiphop was invented by Deborah Harry and Blondie and that the greatest shithopper of all time is Eminem.

Live your entire fucking life with this in your mind, goodbye.

>>128307511 (OP)
>I invite you to read this article on how hip hop changed America
No fucking thanks. I'm not going to read some fucking two part substack article by some random goof when you can't even explain why I should.

>thread full of faggots seething about blacks, jews, and rap
I do NOT like this version of new /mu/

>>128307511 (OP)
MAGA, the first openly white identity politics since civil rights era, is now a major force.
so hip hop's culture power didn't seem to translate into actual political power or at least might have spurred a stronger reactionary response that didn't seem possible 20 years ago (see the left's TDS to see how upsetting this unforeseen development was to them)

Substack gave every midwit who thinks they're some kind of brilliant thinker an outlet for their shitty takes.

>>128307556
>it didn't really accomplish that goal since the main victims of HH culture are blacks
The goal is to dismantle and racially marginalize white people.

For them, Black people are biological weapons, and they couldn't care less about their social standing.

This was never about social justice. That slogan is just a way to gain allies among the well-meaning but easily influenced.

>>128307556
time for a different type of HH culture, amirite?

Academic elites are to blame for the rise of hip hop.

When jazz first became a thing the masses of Americans hated it and saw it as degenerate, but the high end literati loved it and promoted it to no end.

Starting in the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded intellectuals, musicians and artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw

There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason. The genre is anti-worker, ugly, distorted, chaotic and promotes lumpen and elitist Nietzschean values (Kendrick Lamar is a good example of this).

You can see this by how hip hop gained enormous popularity at the start of neoliberalism. This was a time in America when unions were being gutted and manufacturing jobs were being outsourced overseas. Banks started becoming ultra-powerful. The working-class was starting to flounder. So, the CIA promoted hip hop over any kind of music or art that showcased the toils of the working-class.

Do sone research.

>change metrics of charts
>result disappears
LOOK GUYS, THE RESULT IS NO MORE!

>>128313304
>still shilling his video
I ain't giving you a dime. I shouldn't even waste my time replying to such nonsense.

>>128307511 (OP)
>it's yet another not-so-stealth /pol/ thread
So tedious. Anyway. Every field.

>>128313304
Yes. Ice Cube admitted this.

after the downfall its finally all coming out

>>128307683
Don't even try to bullshit us, brother

>>128307544
>HH
nigga, heil hitler?

timing is very odd. all this woke shit being thrown away when Israel wants whites to fight Iran.

>>128307511 (OP)
>>128313304
These two should collab.

>>128307603
I don't believe much has actually happened and think this is probably a result of counting the numbers differently, but it is mildly interesting.
>>128309839
>MAGA, the first openly white identity politics
geg
Tell me when Trump addresses white people and has something positive to say.

>>128313304
Potentially at least partially true. Black Power movements in the 60s & 70s were overwhelmingly socialist/Maoist in nature, and narcotics + rap "get money" culture more or less took over urban streets and ended any Black solidarity type of zeitgeist.

It's interesting that there's now an obvious top-down agenda to get rid of rap, probably due to concerns about popularizing crime culture in an era of zero job creation.

>>128315142
There is no agenda to get rid of rap from the high elites. It’s the people who don’t want rap which is why rap is currently dying. Lack of USAID money.

>>128313304
I appreciate your thoughtful posts, but I gotta tell you that Caleb Maupin is a hack who got owned by Mike Peinovich:
https://youtu.be/WomGl4x_Y9c

>>128313304
>Do sone research.
I have conducted thorough research on this topic and have come to the conclusion that you are a schizophrenic person

>>128314462
I like where your mind is at

>>128315517
And yet Maupin has been right 95% of the time.

>>128316587
He's a decent researcher but an awful ideologue.

>>128307603
Genres don't dominate the charts forever. It's that simple. Hip-hop had its run, just like rock did before it and jazz did before rock.

>>128307668
>Drake changed things a bit, with the introspection and mood-heavy stuff.
Kanye did that. Drake was just a talentless industry plant who rode the wave that Kanye created.

Replace blacks with AI in music
this should be done world wide btw
The best way to keep black culture is holographically, we have the holograms of black people but not the actual blacks around. This way we have our share of fun, and a low crime rate.

>>128307622
>>128307651
Yup. USAID is notorious for funding art that's beloved by academic elites but hated by the broad masses of people.

The working people of America have shown that they do NOT want hip hop. They want music and culture in general that favours their particular set of values: morality, stability and populism. They want music and art that glorifies everyday working people as heroes. Not rap which glorifies lumpen degeneracy or instrumentals based on sampling (stealing) that are chaotic and off-kilter.

>>128315547
So you're denying the irrefutable fact that the CIA has been manipulating leftist circles and the arts for nearly 80 years?

You know what colour revolutions are? You know that artists and musicians are huge players in colour revolutions throughout the world and the CIA (USAID) pays them, right?

That colour revolution apparatus has come home to America for decades. Hip hop is a part of that.

>>128307678
Hungry Hippos

>>128307864
To be fair, it's mostly zoomers freaking out over age-gap relationships. Millennials, Gen Xers, and boomers were pretty lax about that stuff.

t. millennial woman who lost my virginity at age 20 to a 33-year old PhD student

>>128317127
but why are people fussy about the reverse? why do I get shit on for being with a woman 4 years older than me

>>128317144
Because they're obsessed with outrage.

>>128316700
>>128316781
What proof is there that the CIA is promoting hip hop? Hip hop was seen as a novelty genre up until the mid 90s.

>>128316781
>>128316700
>>128307651
>>128307622
>Hip Hop dies on the mainstream charts nearly an ENTIRE YEAR after USAID funding is cut
>You think this is significant with literally zero basis because it sounds profound on paper
Please look up the term "Apophenia" and also "correlation does not equal causation" thank you

>>128307833
>being this insecure
lmaooo

>>128316700
>The working people of America have shown that they do NOT want hip hop. They want music and culture in general that favours their particular set of values: morality, stability and populism
That's cool man, I hate trashy pop slop as much as the next guy and if we can support more cultured music then I think the ends justify the means
Two small issues though
1.) You're a schizophrenic retard and your assertations are all embarrassingly offbase
2.) Rap was just replaced with trashy k-slop instead, and don't you dare even try to pretend like that's any better

I'm sure OP would have no issues having more Jazz and blues music on the charts, because his grievances are obviously just about rap music and is in no way about his hatred of black people

>>128317725
USAID was gutted back in February, so it's only been about eight months.

>>128317849
Wow you're so right man, and the Dodgers won the World Series 8 months after, must've been that USAID bolstering those damn Canadians before funding was cut

>>128317725
Hip hop's top dogs have confirmed the genre to have been constructed and pushed by the CIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TbmoIGcVF0

>>128318151
I don't think Damon Dash is Hip-Hop's top dog, he's the last person I think of when I think "hip hop" in fact when I hear his name I just think about a washed up has-been spreading conspiracy slop on podcasts with his 50-year old ass diabetes-fried brain

>>128317725
>>128317876
>>128318151
>>128318165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQSef2kBKk

>>128318165
>>128318194

>>128318151
>Dame Dash
He's over 20 million dollars in debt and can't even pay child support lmao
>>128318194
>Valuetainment
I'm not going to watch your shitty podcast by the way

>>128318215
I can't find the original source of this story by the way. When I look up the name "John Homeston" I don't find anything directly tied to him, I do find references to the CIA and Hip Hop but it's not tied to him, which makes me think it's a false positive do to SEO
When I look up the quote "At the time, we understood that music was a powerful propaganda tool for young people. We even infiltrated mainstream radio to promote their music and get the word out to millions of people every day" I only find other references to this conspiracy theory on Instagram and Facebook

So either the CIA scrubbed the internet of the original source, yet for some reason didn't scrub it from generic conspiracy accounts on social media, or you are actually an extremely gullible person who fell for a completely made up story with the only thing you have to go on being a fucking Reddit screenshot

Imagine a future where black people no longer exist in America and instead there only are AI holograms of blacks and black music and all of that. And all the real physical blacks are in Africa just dying in pointless warlord massacres from shithole Congo dictatorships.

The black man finally is reduced to a mixed caucasian'd mutt in the US and real blacks are never heard of or seen of ever again they exist just as holograms in the American conciousness.

Based asf. Replace Rap asap please prompters you got work to do, make sure all that money goes to whites, asians anyone else, never support black artists.

>>128318308
Blacks make up a smaller percentage of the population today than they did 100 years ago

>>128318363
Because they keep aborting their kids.

>>128317848
What's stopping blacks from performing classical music instead of rapping and pushing buttons on samplers?

>>128318422
Nothing. There are black composers out there like George Walker. This is kind of like asking "What's stopping whites from performing classical music instead of singing country songs about beer and rodeos while strumming 4 open guitar chords ad nauseum?" It's a dumb, loaded question

>>128318466
>"What's stopping whites from performing classical music instead of singing country songs about beer and rodeos while strumming 4 open guitar chords ad nauseum?"

Because pop culture has been engineered to make people dumber and more alienated from one another. Modern classical music has become monopolized by cultured elites in ghettos of art AKA concert halls in major cities that the working people can't afford to attend. Plus there is no way the deep state would allow classical music to become widespread for the same reason they've been waging war on beauty for the past century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9guw6Mcwbk

>>128318519
>Modern classical music has become monopolized by cultured elites in ghettos of art AKA concert halls in major cities that the working people can't afford to attend
That's ALWAYS been the case with Classical Music you retard. In fact, what we currently call "classical" used to broadly be referred to as "Art Music". The average peasant wasn't attending Mozart, the only music they were exposed to was folk music, the closest they got to being able to listen to classical instrumentation was light orchestra at the local park at best.
>Plus there is no way the deep state would allow classical music to become widespread for the same reason they've been waging war on beauty for the past century.
They've done a shit job at this, classical music is now more accessible than literally any other point in human history. Most television shows feature classical house music, there are thousands of hours of classical pieces on YouTube for anyone to listen to. You're an idiot. There was never any engineering or "war on beauty" whatever the fuck that even means.

>>128318519
>war on beauty
Literally a billionaire fossil fuel heiress whose half siblings are the cousins of Paris Hilton.

>Plus there is no way the deep state would allow classical music to become widespread for the same reason they've been waging war on beauty for the past century.
This is such a profoundly stupid thing for someone to even say, these are the words of someone who just takes random tabloid videos at face value without even 5 seconds of critical thought. The second most rewarded Academy Award (the so-called "deep state" you think exists for some reason) winner in history is John Williams for Christs sake, and even if Williams slop isn't to your personal liking, this isn't about personal standards, this is about classical music not being promoted by some shadow government for some extremely nebulous reasons that you can't even explain properly

>>128318558
>The average peasant wasn't attending Mozart, the only music they were exposed to was folk music, the closest they got to being able to listen to classical instrumentation was light orchestra at the local park at best.
And genuine socialism would universalize that music so it would reach the working people. In the Soviet Union, they had open air classical music concerts. They didn't have "block parties" or "raves" but indulged in music that reflected the beauty of civilization.

Likewise, the USSR banned jazz for being degenerate and anti-proletarian and chaotic in nature AKA ugly. When you are surrounded by nothing but ugly, you start to see the world as nothing but ugly, and begin to lose faith in your fellow working man.

This is also why China bans rap. They don't give their children MPCs and teach their kids to "sample" but give them legitimate instruments and teach them to play classical music.

>>128318573
Says nothing about her argument. Billionaires aren't contradictory to socialism.

>>128318687
>This is also why China bans rap.
No, they don't. Chinese rap (unfortunately) exists
>Likewise, the USSR banned jazz for being degenerate and anti-proletarian and chaotic in nature AKA ugly.
Firstly, the Soviet Jazz did exist, and while Jazz was banned during Stalin's reign, this ban largely ended with Khrushchev, secondly, it's ironic that you assert yourself as being above sophistry, but you're too stupid to understand impressionism. Not liking something because you don't understand it, and actively choose not to understand it, is not a sign of intelligence, it's a sign of anti-intellectualism and personal incredulity.

>>128307511 (OP)
>anti-white
Keep this shit in /pol/.

>They didn't have "block parties" or "raves" but indulged in music that reflected the beauty of civilization.
Mozart literally wrote a piece called "Lick my ass" as a party piece
>Here's your reflection on the beauty of civilization bro!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk

>>128318809
>>128318687
Mozart even wrote another piece titled "Lick my Ass Nice and Clean"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qO2Vtm6GzY

The lyrics are straight out of some trashy rap song too.
It actually bothers me that most recordings of this piece feature a choir when they're clearly meant to be sung by a bunch of drunk men at a party.

>>128318687
https://x.com/EvropeanSpectre/status/1708998277587161516

That ratio though.

>>128318519
You know nothing about modern classical. The soul of the New Music scene was born out of the working class aka the Downtown of New York.

>>128318852
Jesus Christ these are literally Sexyy Red lyrics.

>>128318687
>Tankie MUST shove xer juvenile politics into whatever xey are talking about
Yet /pol/ is the problem?

>>128318882
/pol/tards have the same shit opinions but for different reasons

>>128318769
>>128318809
>>128318852
Do you believe pushing buttons on a sampler constitutes real music?

>>128316635
explain what you mean. Kanye's and Drake's influence are quite difference.
Youo can hate Drake all you want but he definitely influenced rap a ton, "industry plant" or not.
Is Kanye an industry plant?
Have you looked closely at his family?

>>128318919
Do you believe that Reductio ad absurdum constitutes a real argument?

>>128318927
Answer my question without deflecting.

Why are academic elites continually pushing the idea hip hop is real music and pushing buttons on a sampler is something to be as revered as classical music composing?

Don't you see there's an agenda at play?

>>128309660
Hope they see this bro.

>>128313304
shut up chud

>DUDE RAP IS ...DEFEATED
>half of the billboard is fucking Taylor Swift
but at what price...

>>128315547
ableist bigot

>>128318165
Punching down on people with diabetes? Wtf is your problem?

the jew is literally fighting a war right now. funding music designed to harm goyim isn't a priority at the moment.

>>128319020
Nothing in that post is wrong.

>>128319081
you are of being the chud! yes!

>>128319024
Taylor Swift is a universalist pop star who appeals to people of all backgrounds.

>>128307511 (OP)
>Semmelweis
Lol, lmao.
Utterly unsurprising:
>AAAIIIEEE, YOU GUYS CAN'T LISTEN TO BEASTIE BOYS.... B-BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T, OK

>>128319343
You do know beastie boys are a bunch of jews right?

>>128307603
Drake won

>>128319244
>Taylor Swift is a universalist pop star who appeals to people of all backgrounds
11 year old girls is people of all backgrounds?

Obama was part of the psyop. I distinctly remember him being a big influence in everyone around me starting to smoke weed and listen to rap music.

rap hasn't been dominant since the early 00s when it peaked commercially or 90s when it peaked artistically. It's a zombified genre that was kept alive by industry plants and inorganic publicity. Nothing new came out of it in the past 20 years or so.

reposting this banger:

https://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html

>>128307678
Heil Hitler

>>128315079
he literally ended (or has tried to end) DEI. That didn't seem possible just a year or two ago.

He set up a large paramilitary force to finally deport the illegals. Didn't seem possible five years ago.

Those are just two majors that immediately pop to mind and are definitely tied to the political interests of whites, something that was verboten over the past 60 years.

>>128307511 (OP)
rap is an unc genre, only white millennials think its hip

>>128318558
check Taylor swift concert prices. are they cheaper than classical?

>>128320761
Based

>>128318958
How is pushing buttons on a sampler any different than hitting keys on a keyboard. Both have the same effect of producing noise which is then compiled into something else by the composer. It sounds shit if done by someone who has no ability to it but sounds great by someone who knows what they are doing. If the argument is that sampling is not music then whoever the person who was invented the first "sounds" is the only worthwhile musician ever and everyone has been ripping them off since time began.

>>128317127
Tits or gtfo

>>128315079
He never even mourned Austin Metcalf.

https://youtu.be/GjwAmA9np7c
https://youtu.be/7dtD3ql9b8g

>>128321534
A keyboard is your own composition. A sampler/MPC is used to steal another person’s composition, butcher it and turn it into a “beat.”

>>128309839
MAGA has no longevity.

>>128318859
>downtown

>>128318558
>The average peasant wasn't attending Mozart, the only music they were exposed to was folk music, the closest they got to being able to listen to classical instrumentation was light orchestra at the local park at best.
Every large settlement employed watchmen musicians ("waits"). Watchmen needed some means of signalling, so they carried loud musical instruments (most often a shawm), and if they already have musical instruments they might as well play music too. And villages had traveling minstrels passing through.

>>128313304
Schizo

>>128321411
How did that 6 7 song get popular?

>>128318887
Tankies are just fascists with a red coat of paint.

>>128321396
How do you know that's not just the black and hispanic communities being collectively punished for biting the hand that feeds them through their criticism of Israel's genocidal activities in Gaza? It looks like another, better behaved minority group has been found to replace them with. Both in the US and abroad

>>128323352
Because these things weren’t happening under Biden.

>>128323268
>Tankies are just fascists with a red coat of paint

any time they accuse you of fascism, it's always them projecting their own beliefs

>>128307511 (OP)
>jewish man as an avatar

>>128318958
If you bothered reading the book you posted you’d know J Dilla was trained in classical music.

Black boys from the worst parts of Detroit don’t have the same opportunities as rich white kids, but that’s the history of Black art itself. Black folks in the ghetto took scraps and made masterpieces. You’re just too ignorant to understand that.

>>128313304
>promotes lumpen and elitist Nietzschean values (Kendrick Lamar is a good example of this).
Calling Drake a pedophile is an example of “Nietzschean values”?

>>128323352
Most black people didn’t care about Gaza. I’ve been to multiple pro-Palestine/anti-genocide protests in the past two years and nearly everyone in attendance was white, Arab, or South Asian. Blacks and Hispanics were a very small number of protesters.

>>128316781
Every government funds the arts, you mong.

>There's no way humans could've come up with Punk and Rap on their own! People playing guitar badly and reciting poetry? Outrageous! Only the CIA could've implanted these wild ideas into the youth!
>But Classical Orchestra, something that requires massive ensembles of highly trained musicians and was often financed by the aristocracy? Naw bro that was totally just NATVRAL
I want schizos to leave bros

>>128307808
>i find it more puzzling that leftists started dickriding rap in the 2010s because used to be the social justice crowd disliked it for being violent, misogynistic
Yeah, this is why I have to give christgau credit for consistently dunking on gangsta rap as late as 2008

>>128323268
I'm a 'Bernie bro' so I get to be punched in the face and treated to helicopter rides

>>128324203
In the 90s it was still permissible to criticize rap.

>>128324203
He still said XXXtentaction was a worthless piece of human shit and he didn't care that he died.

>>128307511 (OP)
why do midwits love german words that could easily be said in english?

>>128324111
How do these subcultures become so culturally significant then?

>>128324360
Based!

>>128318958
>Why are academic elites continually pushing the idea hip hop is real music and pushing buttons on a sampler is something to be as revered as classical music composing?
They are?

>>128307808
They were fighting each other on that one

>>128307878
Yeah like the current generation holds black people to a lower standard than before

>>128319244
She’s using Nazi dogwhistles now.

>>128318519
>Modern classical music has become monopolized by cultured elites in ghettos of art AKA concert halls in major cities that the working people can't afford to attend.
>>128321466
>check Taylor swift concert prices. are they cheaper than classical?
Going to the literal opera is cheaper than a lot of concert tickets. Kendrick Lamar is probably more expensive on average than tickets for the opera house where I live. But you know who goes to the opera? It's mostly old people, opera freaks, and gay guys.

t. fag

>>128318687
>This is also why China bans rap.
Anon... did you invent a fantasy Wakanda version of China in your head
https://youtu.be/eWmaEiT2WTg

>>128307556
retard zoomer who was born yesterday…

rap and hip-hop didn’t make things bad for black people. hell it was still seen as a cute fad recently as the late ‘80s…

if you think violence drugs or whatever only became an issue for black kids in the ‘80s well then you might just be a zoomer raised on internet grifter memes. >>128307732
no, retard zoomer who was born yesterday, rap did not just suddenly become gangster in the late ‘90s…

here is one of the biggest and most influential tracks from 1989:
https://youtu.be/WVIbke4NTrg

enough to get a zoomer pol virgin angry even now.

>>128307808
>find it more puzzling that leftists started dickriding rap in the 2010s because used to be the social justice crowd disliked it

right but you are a dumb fuck zoomer who was a little kid back then. you’ve never read a book or been to a concert.

the only reason you think something happened in the ‘10s to change everything is because you were told so by a grifter on the internet

Tupac was one of the bigger artists of the ‘90. massively influential in rap. ask yourself if he sounds at all like a leftist here, retard zoomer born yesterday.

https://youtu.be/GL-ZoNhUFmc

>>128325686
>if you think violence drugs or whatever only became an issue for black kids in the ‘80s

It took some time, that stuff mostly happened as an after-effect of the 60s.

>>128318687
>>128318769
Soviet Union also had pop stars.

>>128318958
“Academic elites” like Dan Charnas get paid by the ivory tower to write books and journal articles on niche subject matter. The more niche the subject, the more acclaim they get. The only agenda here is flexing how much knowledge and insight you can provide on an obscure topic.

>>128318769
After the Khrushchev thaw there were Soviet rock and jazz bands and young people began listening to Western music. The authorities tolerated some Western stuff, at least the more inoffensive artists like Olivia Newton-John and whatnot; of course the Rolling Stones or Black Sabbath weren't allowed.

>>128325563
Opera sucks. Operatic vocal technique trades expressiveness and individuality for loudness. It's obsolete now we have microphones. Musical theater is the good version of opera.

>>128323493
No black person wrote a piece like Beethoven's 9th

>>128323387
>>128323268
>>128318887
Some truths are just universal across the political isles. Centrist retards like you wouldn't understand

>>128326019
Because they weren’t allowed to for most of history.

>>128326049
Objectively wrong, plenty of black composers existed.

>>128326049
They had their own land, which didn't develop beyond mud huts for ages until the white man came along. And once they left it all went to shit again.

>>128326078
some areas of Africa like the west coast had fairly sophisticated kingdoms other parts were total ooga-boogas

>>128307603
It's been going down for a while. There was some big billboard in NYC a while ago where Spotify was pushing how rap isn't dead.

>>128307808
It surely has nothing to do with gay rappers like Lil Nas X and Frank Ocean that started to appear in the 2010s right?

>>128307603
Clipse and Freddie Gibbs both released 10/10 albums this year.

>>128325563
China bans American rap, not Chinese rap.

>>128326019
This. This right here is why we have DEI and the actual reason university professors and high-end intellectuals love hip hop and Black music so much: if you were only taught the most beautiful and highest of high art you’d realize over 95% of it was made by white Europeans. Then you’d start to develop racist tendencies because you associate beauty with classical Europeans.

>violent and hypersexual music for blacks
oh my fucking gawd the humanity!
>violent and hypersexual music for whites
it's artistic expression you wouldn't understand

>>128327595
When do whites make overly violent and sexual music?

>>128327601
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music

>>128327601
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5wk3B3QeQ&pp=ygUOcGxlYXN1cmUgc2xhdmXSBwkJAwoBhyohjO8%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgiWBCbCJk&pp=ygUjY2FubmliYWwgY29ycHNlIGhhbW1lciBzbWFzaGVkIGZhdmU%3D

>>128313304
>CIA did one thing which we have evidence of them doing
>therefore they necessarily did this other thing we don't have evidence of them doing
Literacy was wasted on schizos like you.

>>128318298
Or it's the kind of bullshit that proliferates on the internet, like stories about everyone on the bus clapping, atheist professors getting btfo by bright day one Christian freshmen, and misattributed quotes to every author possible.

>>128327876
my understanding is that black metal is by and large asexual

>>128324203
Christgau is one of the rare progressives for whom women are higher on the oppression pyramid than black criminals.

>>128327876
>black metal
>artists and fans are white

>>128326485
Both of those albums were overrated as hell. Freddie can't make anything without being carried by his producer.

>>128328042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlAhx8z4TiU

>>128329024
The only conspiracy here are propaganda outlets using third world bot farms to make comments like this

One time, at kulturkampf, I used a drum machine to destroy the nuclear family

>>128329024
Source: trust me bro

What if Record Labels are the ones starting these conspiracy theories about rap and grooming paranoid schizophrenics online with farmed bot comments and infographs in order to keep rap culturally relevant in the face of its removal from mainstream charts? I mean this wouldn't be the first time this has happened, labels really fed into Satanic Panic shit with Punk back in the 80s

>>128318215
>using reddit as a source

what happened to black people music? how did we go from miles davis and bb king to these monkeys calling themselves lil'zesty or some shit mumbling over some slopped out bass line?

>>128329616
Why did white music go from Beethoven to rednecks playing guitar badly and singing about drinking beer and driving tractors? Country music is just the white version of rap music.

>>128329648
if rednecks playing the guitar badly is the white version of rap what's the black version of the allman brothers?

>>128329671
Funkadelic

>>128329671
Allman Brothers aren't real country, they're a southern rock jam band

>>128329680
I was trying to imply that southern rock was rednecks playing the guitar well but it got lost when I was editing my post.

>>128321396
He set up a large paramilitary force to disappear whites who oppose the Jew state. Give it six months. You fucking Trumptards are incredible.

>>128329118
See, this is what I fucking love about those "war on beauty" retards. Just look at what they're saying: the oh so glorious Western Civilization was able to be brought down by a few Jackson Pollock paintings and J Dilla's MPC, or more generally a few rap songs. If that's the case, then Western Civ must be pretty fucking fragile.

>>128313304
>When jazz first became a thing the masses of Americans hated it and saw it as degenerate, but the high end literati loved it and promoted it to no end.
This sounds like bullshit.

>>128325826
There might be another thaw in China soon. Xi met with that K-pop mogul (really).

>>128329862
not brought down, just made worse

>>128330144
>just made worse
How?

>>128307556
>the main victims of HH culture are blacks who are swayed into it and get shot or end up in prison
Just wait until you learn what black people's lives were like before hip hop existed

>>128307603
>>128307622
I mean, seeing Kendrick shilled everywhere all last year and most of this year struck me as very weird.

>>128318390
Many rappers are pro-life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzZVNFYleb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om6YoJy199E

>>128323493
>>128326019
Your post actually proves my point. In a socialist America, black boys from Detroit wouldn't have to resort to pushing buttons on samplers. They be sent to elite musical academies where they would learn to compose like Beethoven. Why would a socialist system, which seeks to advance humanity to heights otherwise unheard of, celebrate gutter music like hip hop?

>>128318882
>>128323268
>>128323387
Yet tankies always happen to be right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GwEIxp10E4

>>128330826
Except that wouldnt happen because even when given all the oppertunities in the world they fuck it up (source: modern europe)

zoomers really have nothing except culture war politics do they?
literally can't talk about anything unless it's through that lens.
it's depressing t bh, but it explains why they've created nothing.

>>128330826
LOL. Most of those ghetto black kids at the prestigious academies would complain that they are being taught white Beethoven instead of black rap.

>>128331812
Zoomer music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWlAgksUQyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cYJ5Dy_FrI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjoFJ0fbqZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbZYE4CE_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V8NLdhGAPI
>Bold, brash, made for artistic purposes by talented musicians who long to be remembered like the great composers of the past, will be remembered by time fondly

Millennial "music"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGEiDMf01sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP9GZNcpbro
>Safe, subservient to the establishment, nihilistic, poor imitation of what boomers and gen Xers did better, meaningless by it's own definition, no sense of beauty, will be forgotten once the last millennial dies

Cry more

>>128330446
>Just wait until you learn what black people's lives were like before hip hop existed

nta but I don't recall the Flamingos or Ella Fitzgerald singing about slinging crack and wasting niggaz on the block, do you?

There's too much focus on conspiracies and how elites construct cultural movements. Culture doesn't work like that.

First you must understand what culture is. It's formalized libidinal energy, movement sublimated into a political/sexual/social strategy. You begin with the simple stuff; it's okay to sell drugs, it's okay to lash out, it's okay to choose the simple solutions. Now you have a kind of mental map. Now you create culture that asethetisizes this map. Whatever comes out will naturally be alluring because it's an easy world view with little sacrifice and effort. No amount orchestral complexity will be able compete with this, especially in a short term perspective, especially for someone who has no interest in buying into a more "sensible" cosmology; these people want art for people who take what they want as soon as they can.

The response (and it'll necessarily always be a response) is to cultivate art in a more ambitious context. Most likely an explicitly religious one. The mental machines for perceiving delayed gratification and moral reasoning must already be there for the art to work.

Art in the aftermath of civilizational effort (real religious movements, violent political mobilization) is always a losing battle; eventually the easy solutions will always seem more worthwhile and anything that asks for too much attention, effort, learning and patience will seem like handicapping yourself

>>128329616
>>128329648
The average IQ has been going down for decades.

>>128307511 (OP)
Fuck off

>>128330434
Jackson Pollock's a good example. So much modern art looks bad and talentless.

>>128315517
>i wore a suit
Kek
Everytiem

>>128331873
No. Socialism would do away with rap “music” and get these black kids learning real music from day one.

>>128330637
UMG used Kendrick to beat back at Drake after Drake started demanding UMG pay him more when his contract was up for renewal.

>>128330826
Classical music was the first genre to use samplers, idiot.

>>128334185
How is it talentless?

>>128307544
Chopping people up with machetes and eating them isn't "culture", Jamal. It's barbarism.

>>128330790
NGL that Common song is pretty moving.

People ITT who deny the role of elite dollars being used to promote rap and hip hop have obviously never heard of payola.

>>128336311
Post examples.

>>128338102
Everybody had their own version of la follia. Sometimes passages from it made its way into sections of otherwise distinct works.

>>128337936
Rap was considered a novelty genre until the mid 90s. Why did it take that long for {{{{the elites}}}} to “promote” it, according to you?

I'd rather have a million kpop threads than these trojan horse /pol/tard threads that the mods are too stupid to address because it mentions a music genre in passing

>>128338803

Even kpop threads are made by polcels

70% of millenials in China own a home by the way, but at least young Americans have their daily culture war slop that the billionaires spoonfeed you to distract from economic inequality

>>128339175
home ownership literally isn't a thing in China anon, it's all on a 70 year lease

>>128338803
Nothing in this thread is pol-tier.

>>128335696
Has this been confirmed at all?

>>128330826
They would loot those academies before they learn anything.

>>128307511 (OP)
This shit is too verbose even for me.

>>128325777
Those universities and academic journals are all CIA-funded. Dan Charnas teaches at NYU, which receives millions of dollars a year in funding from the CIA. You can't pretend these studies are all neutral.

>>128307511 (OP)
Makes me wonder what Martin Heidegger would say about rap.