Thread 128380106

Mozart edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyKRRgNCok&

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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>>128376047
I had chicken pox last year. At 30+ years old - yikes, I was envious of the dead for a few days. Anyway, I mainly listened to Beethoven's 5th and Tchaikovsky's 6th, as well as some other pieces, which consume me completely, so that I wouldn't think and therefore wouldn't feel the pain.

listening to rn:
>Tchaikovsky - Valse Sentimentale
>Shostakovich - Piano Concerto No.2 (Andante)
>Brahms - Symphony No.3 (Poco Allegretto)
>Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien

share what you are listening to, gentlemen.

Chopin (Rei) saved humanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y4HqZfWbsI

>>128380200
bwv 654

>>128380200
Brahms String Sextet no.2 (Talich), one of his greatest melodic pieces

listening to rn:
>Dvorak - Valčíky Op. 54 (B101)

>>128380106 (OP)
Speaking of Mozart, the Rondo in A minor is incredible.

>>128380200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOH23YOHx4U

>>128380840
Richters linked?

Bach is the best

>Beethoven symphony in D minor
>sounds joyous, hopeful, bright
>Mahler symphony in D major
>sounds dreadful, terrifying, dark
Funny, ain't it.
I much prefer the dread and darkness over joy. I can barely get through Beethoven's 9th, but Mahler's 9th is a like an addictive drug.

>>128381089
I find D minor to be the saddest of all keys I don’t why but it makes people weep instantly

>>128381176
Unless you have perfect pitch, there is *very* little difference between keys, in equal temperament obviously.

Bumpmaninoff

>>128381207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsv-raYq4YM

>>128383746
The opening literally disproves the statement he was making. Anyone familiar with kleine nachtmuziek's first movement will recognize that it was in the wrong key, hence there IS a noticeable difference which does matter when composing regardless of all the other reasons.

>>128384076
>Anyone familiar with kleine nachtmuziek's first movement will recognize that it was in the wrong key,
Not anyone. Studies show that perfect pitch is a spectrum, some people are just better at it than others and some are inbetween perfect pitch and no pitch at all. So even if someone's really familiar with nachtmuzik, they may not be able to recognize the wrong key

>>128384516
Can you show us these studies, anon?

>>128384921
Don't have anything to prove to you, so no.

>>128380106 (OP)
nobody:

Let's start the night with

>>128380200
been listening a lot of chopin lately, prelude in e minor is fun to play, really like op 55 no1 for the dumbest reason

>>128385736
I learned about this through Sharpe. I think my Dad has been to Santiago De Compostela-he loves Spain though

>>128385795
What's the dumbest reason?

>>128385998
caught my attention while listening to a chopin compilation bc it sounded like for the damaged coda

turns out blonde redhead actually based it off that song

>>128384076
I didn't notice it at all. Maybe you were primed subconsciously because of the title of the video and were expecting a difference? Or maybe you just have a good ear for these things and I have a bad one

>>128384076
I think they were using 'matter' not to mean no difference whatsoever, but that the piece isn't dramatically affected by the change.

>>128385973
>Sharpe
Neat

Second for tonight

>tfw the best of Barenboim's four Beethoven piano sonata cycles has ~3 minute applause at the end of every piece
sad

now playing. been a while since I last listened to these masterpieces

start of Mozart: Clarinet Concerto in A Major, K. 622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7E3KCJ-fbg&list=OLAK5uy_lCjqXHui6K2MpT__lA7h_b_uZjTCfCECA&index=2

start of Mozart: Clarinet Quintet in A Major, K. 581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHH-9RKavI&list=OLAK5uy_lCjqXHui6K2MpT__lA7h_b_uZjTCfCECA&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lCjqXHui6K2MpT__lA7h_b_uZjTCfCECA

>In the liner notes to this disc, Swedish clarinetist Martin Fröst is described as a “daring performer” who has “stretched the limits of musical expression”, likely owing to his frequent collaborations with several contemporary composers including Anders Hillborg and Krzysztof Penderecki. “Daring” does not leap to mind when describing Mozart, and happily Fröst himself does not flaunt his presumed reputation when tackling these popular works. While some may find Fröst’s readings on the “cool” side, it is largely because they are just so perfectly executed and pristine that you are left hopelessly grasping for something that might be missing. After all, what ultimately determines Mozartian performance standards but the expectation of technical perfection? In no small part aided by the redoubtable Amsterdam Sinfonietta and Vertavo String Quartet, Fröst steals the show with his sultry tone, sensitive phrasing, and utterly beguiling pianissimos, momentarily making us forget that several other great performances of the Concerto have graced the catalog for decades. ---- ClassicsToday, Rating: 10-10

Goldberg was not jewish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxYHAW-gUU

>>128380200
Chopin - Waltz in C-Sharp minor
Bruckner - Second Symphony
Wagner - Lohengrin
Wagner - The Flying Dutchman

Any good Scandinavian solo piano music outside of Grieg?

>>128389210
nielsen wrote a little

Kuhlau, Sinding, and Sibelius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-y-yJEmOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoUCdvdW6sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeNWV7SFo64&t=624

>>128390071
meant for: >>128389210

>>128389210
No.

Does Liszt playing get any better than this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re_COVw1vIA

>>128390243
I can't really discern the quality of his playing since the quality of the recording interfers with my listening, so I couldn't tell you where his playing stands compared to other interpretations, sorry.

>>128390243
>Friedman
Yes, just replace man with heim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDzZeg7rXIs

>>128390243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFwOFXp5Aw4&list=OLAK5uy_m7ltN_eyhEAHGCao8mbvnl7IyfYNEA3hQ&index=8

>>128390243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ADtxG-b8ik&list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU&index=1

>>128380200
>share what you are listening to

>>128391067
I've been meaning to finally give that Serkin Beethoven set a listen, is it as great as many say?

>>128391067
everybody knows
the byrd is the wyrd

>>128391144
what's stopping you?

>>128391271
Listening to other cycles. It's next on my list though, at most second-next.

Hurwitz told me Ancerl's Mahler 9 was very expressive, and it was rather dry and cold.

>>128391299
It's the quintessential boomer recording. A lot of Ancerl is. Which isn't to say it's not good, in fact it's solid, but yeah, I don't think there's anything in it that hasn't been surpassed by many modern recordings since. One of those "good for its time" performances.

>>128391311
>It's the quintessential boomer recording.
Huh? Lol. For me it was just underwhelming. Powerful bits were kinda held back for bigger effect or whatever. And it felt faster and more metronomic, but maybe that's just my false perception. I didn't like it. And sonics weren't as good as Karajan, Bernstein/Concertgebouw or even Walter (which is older? and much better imo)

>>128380200
Klemperer's Mahler 9

>>128391381
still the one.

What are some of your favorite composers? Mine are J. Pahelbel, J. Kuhnau, J. Walther, J. Pisendel, S. L. Weiss, J. Fasch , J. Reincken, D. Buktehude, N. Bruhns, G. Bohm, N. Strungk, J. Froberger, J. von Kerl, J. Fischer, J. Fuchs, A. Corelli, G. Le Grenzi, G. Bassani, G. Torelli, A. Marcello, A. Albinoni, Vivaldi, B. Marcello, N. Porpora, P. Locatelli, F. Durante, G. Ristori, G. Pergolesi, A. Caldara , A. Raison, F. Dieupart, F. Couperin, L. Marchand, N. de Grigni, Persl, J. D. Zelenka, J. Matheson, Stölzel, Wilderer, Telemann, Kaiser, the list goes on...

>>128391405
CBA to name more than 5: Chopin, Schubert, Brahms, Rachmaninoff, Mahler

>>128391364
You've inspired me to revisit Walter's Mahler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aSwgpBeNYY&list=OLAK5uy_kIGWg2GujQStPZ14KQx8pnrCIgN8K9Aso&index=10

Beethoven relies too much on repitition

>>128391405
There's actually recordings of some of those more obscure composers? I had to look some of them up to make sure you weren't making it up!

>>128391446
I can't remember what I liked about it, but it was a very nice experience. Share your thoughts once you finish listening

>>128391451
Schubert*

>>128391484
No, he is correct. Beethoven is nothing but repetition. Same is applied to Schubert maybe, but in a different way. Beethoven repeats short motifs in different, closely related keys, slightly changing them (developing), Schubert works with both short motifs and long melodic phrases, modulates way further but changes less as the music demands it.

>>128391513
I judge based on what my ears tell me, and I can't think of a piece of Beethoven's, any quality piece, where I've felt excessive repetition was an issue.

>>128391513
>slightly changing them (developing)

so not repetition then? got it.

>>128391405
where's d'anglebert? graun? hasse? vitali!

>>128391531
I've never felt bothered by repetitiveness of either composers. If you don't like Schubert's melodic genius, then sure I guess, it can get repetitive. Some people find Beethoven very repetitive, e.g. Waldstein sonata is admittedly very repetitive. Appassionata's 1st mov 1st theme is very simple, the 2nd theme is the inversion of the 1st theme - the entire movement consists of a single motif basically, and last movement is also very repetitive, same runs over and over. Sonata no.32 repeats same motif millionth time. The point of repetition is that it sounds good and you want to hear it again every time, and also it helps the listener memorize themes so when it's developed/modulates you can tell what the hell is going on. Schubert modulates far, same as Tchaikovsky for example, and they both require strict-er repetition as a result, compared to Beethoven. But harmonically they are both less repetitive than Beethoven. So repetitiveness comes in many shapes.
>>128391548
Huh? Repetition is repetition no matter how you decorate or dress it in this case. Schubert decorates with distant modulations and harmonic contrasts. See above.

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTpjUY4qtpA&list=OLAK5uy_kceBLqK2sSm5DhmXQNXbRC-4wzYSHkC9U&index=2

>>128391593
I guess I've just never found any of Beethoven's repetition detrimental, or even noticeably unpleasant whatsoever. But I appreciate the reply, and to each his own.

>>128391540
got-damn, what a scoundrel!

>>128391540
>jew
>lies to chuds
>prefers femoids in their prime
>not overly emotional, moderate
Sounds very based in every single concievable way ngl.
>>128391678
Fool.

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 13 in E-Flat Major, Op. 27 No. 1 "Quasi una fantasia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnk5jAXxB_g&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJDOmfe0Syw&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=6

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28 "Pastorale"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XxFaAMUqnE&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=9

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 16 in G Major, Op. 31 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8bgb8XXnLs&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=13

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 17 in D Minor, Op. 31 No. 2 "The Tempest"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqE0WZyyz5o&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=16

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 18 in E-Flat Major, Op. 31 No. 3 "The Hunt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypoMsTYmShw&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=19

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 19 in G Minor, Op. 49 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN14QaKB-cE&list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw&index=22

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lG70YtiHpxFKlHCvT4hrWhV5wVoTn9Gkw

Best Haydn complete string quartets recording?

>>128392080
the angeles quartet.

Why is Beethoven's 5th finale supposed to be good again? It's not even in the original key (C minor)

>Today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

I can't believe i'm finding more mental illness on /mu/ than /g/, truly remarkable.

Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shit
Below is a list of acceptable Romantics:

>Field
>Chabrier
>Franck
>Tarrega
>Wagner*
>Any of the Russian 5
>Grieg
>Alkan
>Late Beethoven

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>128392333
>complains about the board
>posts on it anyways
Truly the duality of man

>>128392366
>neurotic

>>128392080
Tatrai

>>128392080
None cause Haydn sucks

reminder.

>>128392453
of what? 10 minutes old posts?

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf89MElKIs4&list=OLAK5uy_mpgVI9Ng-VAwvaqFfc33mR6B3oS34LwtQ&index=6

>>128392430
I'm not complaining about the board you illiterate spastic
>>128392453
Reminder that he's avatarfagging

Things I hate and will always hate about music:
>happy endings (minor -> parallel major)
>overreliance on programmatic material instead of musical material for structure
>singing

I just have exquisite taste, you don't.

>>128391540
What book?

>>128392683
Do you also hate music that is marked 'cantabile'?

>>128392938
No.

>>128392936
norman lebrecht - why beethoven

>>128392683
Not a Berlioz fan?

>>128392683
you sound like you just started listening to classical two weeks ago

>>128380106 (OP)

Went to Prokofiev 5 yesterday. Loved it, especially the end of second movement, which ended so abruptly there was a rare moment of absolute silence in the hall. People started clapping as soon as the last movement ended. Have you noticed that some pieces invite a pause between the end of a piece and a start of applause (Tchaikovsky 6) and some other make you start clapping immediately? Prokofiev 5 is definitely the later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWWxGl1X4v0

Question to /classical/. Where do you most disagree with original composer?

For example, every time I listen to Holst's The Planets, right as the first section, Mars, ends I think it needs a pause and a final rapid TA-TA-TA-TA.

Here's a recording (conductor really enjoys himself there btw) https://youtu.be/HP5xhyPn58U?list=RDHP5xhyPn58U&t=333

>>128393577
>Where do you most disagree with original composer?
I was just watching Hurwitz's video about worst codas and one of them was Eroica's, which is even my favorite Beethoven symphony, and the coda is indeed a let down. Both other examples were also correct.
I tend to disagree with both composers and interpreters often, but nothing is popping up in my head at the moment.

>>128393084
>norman lebrecht
I see, it's worthless gossip then.

>>128392552
Spamming is a crucial aspect of the culture you dipshit, therefore part of the "board"

>>128393577
Love Prokofiev 5, that'd be great to see live, I'm jealous.

>>128391468
>>128391468
Finished listening to Walter's 1st with Columbia and 2nd with NYP -- both were superb, probably even essential (which for me basically means top 10).

>>128393745
No, it's not you mongrel.

>>128393871
Yes it is.

>>128393938
You're like a nasty, mud-covered peasant in a royal palace

the Reference Recordings goon is everywhere ahhhhhh

>>128393950
ur gay

>>128393963
It's not always that bad. But yeah it's undesirable.

>>128393964
You should get back to the >>>/fa/rm/, peasant.

77% of the people in this general are morons, I'm just glad I'm part of the 33% who aren't

>>128391381
ah so you should be almost finished with it now? :^)

>>128394008
Make me daddy

>>128394066
>33% people on this general pretend they aren't part the 66%
Top tier delusion you got there pal.

>>128394162
I couldn't finish but yeah it was good, not sure how it compares to Walter and others yet. I'll relisten right now or tomorrow tho.

It seems almost universal that composers preferred their music to be performed with a relatively fast tempo. I don't think I've ever read a story of "when looking at records of [composer's] own performances" where the result was the opposite. Any exceptions to this? Or are composers just not fans of stretching and spacing out their own musical ideas? Which is my view on it, and makes sense, that slow performances would largely be the sole discretion of later performers.

>>128394186
Oh I was making a joke about the slow tempo and how long a performance it is. I personally like it, as it's still Klemperer and he was still a genius conductor, but there's no denying it's incredibly idiosyncratic to the point of bordering on novelty, like his performance of the 7th. So if you don't like it, no one would blame you. But hey, if you do, all the power to ya.

>>128393745
if you are deeply unfunny and come to 4chan for deeply unfunny things then maybe

>>128394432
You must be fun at parties

now playing

start of Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFsNs7KtDhU&list=OLAK5uy_kXy_y3ubdT-IrONVSnF71nwu1rdu5FEhs&index=2

start of Mendelssohn: Piano Concerto No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721YxId_F4M&list=OLAK5uy_kXy_y3ubdT-IrONVSnF71nwu1rdu5FEhs&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kXy_y3ubdT-IrONVSnF71nwu1rdu5FEhs

>Barely out of his teens on this recording, Lang Lang demonstrates plenty of virtuoso finger dexterity, but also places his personal stamp on the music. In the Tchaikovsky, a barn-burner of a piece that some pianists use to show how fast and loud they can play, Lang stresses the layers of intimacy alongside its more extroverted passages, which he plays with plenty of pianistic pyrotechnics. If his first movement seems disjointed, more a fantasia than a cohesive entity, he makes a virtue out of necessity through sharp accents that highlight its episodic character. Barenboim and the Chicago Symphony's brilliantly played accompaniments are in synch with Lang's approach. The Mendelssohn is a work that replaces bombast with elegant sparkle well suited to Lang's strengths. Lang is in his element here, sprinkling notes without breaking a sweat. There's stiff competition from classic performances by Argerich and Cliburn among many others in the Tchaikovsky, and Serkin, Schiff, and Thibaudet in the Mendelssohn, but Lang is well worth hearing. --Dan Davis

How's Boulez's Wagner?

I did not expect to hear one of the samples from the drakengard OST from OP guide, my sides

Fauré

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7Vh3-AgZI&list=OLAK5uy_mU83v4iXw_W10cfEp5giiruy1NIpiKlzI&index=4

>>128394584
I feel like Barenboim should be on this cover as well

>>128394695
lol brilliant

he only shares covers with his son or musician women

oh that andras schiff, such a goof! (pic because these two paragraphs are somehow more than 2k char)

https://seenandheard-international.com/2025/10/sir-andras-schiff-reveals-the-secrets-of-late-schubert-and-beethoven-in-a-signature-surprise-programme

In Heaven, God listens to Bach, but he plays Schubert.

original quote pls dont steal

>>128394856
That must be some low ranking god. The higher gods all play Chopin and Wagner in unison.

>>128394930
For me, while Chopin captures the furthest depths of the human spirit, there isn't any hint of the divine in his music.

>>128394969
True, gods are a metaphor, just like everything divine or supernatural.

>>128394930
They play a kind of mixture of Bach and Mozart or Mach

Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPlVLYOEHCQ&list=OLAK5uy_nuydEkaViX7DGbr__BstkkUS_q1HISJdw&index=1

so many recordings of Liszt's Sonata in B minor, which to listen to today...

https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-69-liszts-sonata

>>128394203
most music isn't a fucking snoozefest, it's tied to a decent walking pace or something like that. most EDM is even faster. it's amateurs and pretentious emotional performers who really drag it out to the point of being in bad taste.

>>128395467
Good point, the last thing any composer wants to do is bore the audience, whereas with a performer, they have the benefit of both reputation and knowing the audience is already there, so they have more latitude in interpretation and performance discretion.

>>128394616
So-so overall. I really like the fast-paced Das Rheingold, it fits the music brilliantly. Siegfried is fine; the other two, not so much. Definitely the best-looking one, though.

>>128394616
>>128395550
I should mention that I enjoy Boulez's Das Rheingold so much also because it's has the best Loge performance I've ever seen.

Wagner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afwI3sU5UJk&list=OLAK5uy_nm1e1Su05z3LBxhA9rTEQH9jhx_PHgEtw&index=9

The Horowitz Chopin set on Sony has some of the worst sound quality I've ever heard for collection ostensibly from a major label, totally unlistenable. What a disappointment.

>>128396224
I thought we were all hiss connoisseurs in this general? The worse the sound quality, the better the recording?

>>128396264
Hiss is one thing but when the tone of the instrument itself is affected, I'm outie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS_n_x_zUVY&list=OLAK5uy_nYKD6nbB9pb1oici9xLjAsYP0PNbDbhDQ&index=2

>>128380106 (OP)
good books on chromatic and parsimonious voice-leading?

>>128396663
serious answers only, please.

>>128396703
The principles of voice leading apply no matter what kind of music you are writing, diatonic, chromatic, atonal, it's all the same. So just get any of the two dozen harmony and voice leading textbooks that are out there, they're all pretty much the same.

>>128396731
>bro, just use common tones and motion by a semitone.

there must be more to it than that. perhaps my question is a bit too advanced for this corner of the internet.

>>128396761
Yeah you should also avoid parallel fifths and octaves. Happy to help :)

>>128396761
The few music student/theory nerds we had here don't come around anymore from what I see

>>128396777
there are parallel fifths in Bach's Chromatic Fantasy.

>>128396801
pobody's nerfect

>>128396798
if you're referring to Poly he is a fucking retard who takes a vibes-based approach to music. All of the people worth talking to are either dead or have better things to do than post on a Tibetan mandala drawing forum.

>>128396864
I thought it was mongolian basket weaving

>>128396988
that's odd. I thought it was a Kyrgyzstani embroidery forum.

Schumann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw1weGF8-uI&list=OLAK5uy_neHGxmjcjFi3N_ai89AwXvnRU28J3td-Q&index=14

>>128380200
brahms 3 is so good

right now i'm listening to the schubert c quintet first movement actually repeatedly, and brahms 4 4th movement

i feel like the classical period is the hardest to get into, i started w/ shotstakovich and mahler because i was used to dissonance from jazz and rock

>>128392240
what is the contrast even supposed to be between the good and the bad here? Why is bach meant to substitute for mozart, a very different composer?

>>128397711
The idea is if you listen to the ones they like, you look and feel like that pic

>>128395351
that piece gave me a bad trip once and i haven't listened to it since, i don't even remember it but i guess it wll permanently have an evil aura

>>128394561
i hate this smug bitch so much i want to punch her teeth out

>tfw tryna' listen to classical but neighbors blasting Vietnamese karaoke
might have to bust out the headphones, damn

>>128392325
what about the angloise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXeT2HWpwc4

>>128398156
kill them. kill them all.

>>128388981
You're listening to the entirety of Lohengrin and Flying Dutchman in one sitting?

>>128398945
I just wanna explore Switzerland and Italy with Liszt but instead I'm in karaoke bar in southeast Asia.

On that note, if I were a composer today, I'd compose an Annees de pelerinage based off of traveling through Asia. And the US.

>>128399051
the worst part of being a composer or applying to be one is having to deal with musicians and their petty egotistical crap, so no thanks. I'll just stick to being an "amateur" musescore user.

>>128399128
That's the worst part? Why?

>>128399137
musicians don't do any actual work so why should I have any respect for them?

>>128399158
They bring the music to life.

>>128399240
they are parasites who should know their fucking place.

>>128399330
Have you tried letting go of the hate in your heart, anon? At least the needless hate.

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFK6FUbgivI&list=OLAK5uy_nME_XVXqjIaMmiSFZg9v3dwt3NurbhOgg&index=14

>>128399429
hatred and spite are good. They get me out of bed each morning.

>>128399589
damn -- vitriolically based

Is it just me or was the opening of Verklarte Nacht taken from Liszt's Sonata in B Minor?

>>128399716
why are you retarded? was it caused by an injury or is it genetic?

>>128399716
Haven't listened to the former in a long time, but it's very much possible.

when they say,
>oh, anon, my favorite Symphony is in D minor
you think of which symphony?

for assistance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_in_D_minor

>>128399779
Mahler 3, Bruckner 9, Franck - don't about the rest.

>>128399779
obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3yzhkw_XJQ

>>128399779
49.5/49.5 Franck and Beethoven's 9th, 1% Vaughan Williams' 8th

Spent the early morning listening to ancient recordings of opera arias. I like the ones with piano accompaniment.

finally the Vietnamese karaoke is over. I started to go into classical music withdrawal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PM1lafFX8

>>128399051
>>128399828
>I'm in karaoke bar in southeast Asia.
Are you in Vietnam?

>>128399837
lol I meant instead of being transported to Switzerland and Italy by Liszt's Annees, I was temporarily kidnapped to Southeast Asia by the loud, blaring, interminable karaoke I've been secondhand listening to for the past several hours

>>128399845
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho%C3%A0ng_Li%C3%AAn_National_Park