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Anonymous No.28579079 [Report] >>28579099 >>28579104 >>28579123 >>28579252 >>28579389 >>28579499 >>28579537 >>28579690 >>28579783 >>28581037 >>28581329 >>28582416
how retarded would it be for a burger to buy a lada for over 20 grand......
Anonymous No.28579085 [Report] >>28579137 >>28579148 >>28579828
what is it about 80s shitboxes that makes car autists day dream about them?
Anonymous No.28579099 [Report] >>28579133 >>28579770
>>28579079 (OP)
Someone actually paid $8500 for this NSX dragged out of a river after 20 years.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a43273354/underwater-acura-nsx-restoration/
Anonymous No.28579103 [Report]
As a staunch, hardcore Soviet vehicle enthusiast, hell no.
5 grand at most unless that price includes 1st class shipping from Europe to your front door.
Anonymous No.28579104 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
You'd be giving some podunk russian 10 years of pay for an absolute meme POS
Anonymous No.28579123 [Report] >>28579134
>>28579079 (OP)
It has the worse engine too
1300 and 1600 are belt driven the rest have chain
Anonymous No.28579133 [Report]
>>28579099
>can't get current pics DUE TO FLOOD WATERS that have CONSUMED THE CAR
Anonymous No.28579134 [Report] >>28579380 >>28581243
>>28579123
1600 is chain driven, the 1700 I think was belt
Anonymous No.28579137 [Report]
>>28579085
It's a 60's Fiat copy
Anonymous No.28579148 [Report] >>28579388
>>28579085
You can somewhat afford them as a poorfag
Anonymous No.28579173 [Report] >>28579252
Okay how about this.
You give me 20 grand, I'll look for a Zhiguli for you in Finland and sort it out, you fly over for the winter, 2 months of vid related
https://youtu.be/v_LG_jzQIYw

As the snow starts melting in the spring, we drive you to a secluded lake to admire the sunrise, you breathe in the fresh air as I load my Mauser and put a 9mm bullet in the back of your head. No struggle, no mess, let the lake take you as your final resting place.
Or you could drive it to spain and ferry to the US, idk.
Anonymous No.28579252 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
Yes. https://autoline24.ca/-/sale/sedans/Lada/VAZ-2105-vin-656--25021014475992043300
>>28579173
Tempting.
Anonymous No.28579380 [Report] >>28579394 >>28581243
>>28579134
nah the 1700 is chain driven and you're wrong
1300 and 1600 are the "luxury" engines because the belt makes less noise than a chain
Anonymous No.28579381 [Report] >>28579384 >>28579402 >>28579407 >>28579661 >>28580644
Tangentially related, how stupid would it be to purchase a Lada Niva over here in bongland?
I've seen the Carwow review of it and I'm only interested in a van version.
Anonymous No.28579384 [Report] >>28579402 >>28579407
>>28579381
And would the city version's moulded bumper compromise the overland capability?
Anonymous No.28579388 [Report]
>>28579148
That car had last inspection in 2009 and last action was 2022. so its 50:50 if it got scrapped or not this year.
Anonymous No.28579389 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
Weren't they about 4k new. I'd pay 4 for a mint one for shits and giggles.
Anonymous No.28579394 [Report] >>28579648 >>28581243
>>28579380
Isn't the 1600 same as in the Niva, because that definitely is chain driven.
Anonymous No.28579402 [Report] >>28579494
>>28579381
>>28579384
Get a Jimny.
Anonymous No.28579407 [Report]
>>28579381
>>28579384
You'd want either the base model or bronto.
All the city suv bullshit is absolutely pointless. A Niva isn't supposed to be some garage queen, but a car you beat and abuse on, not really being bothered if you mangle up the doors and bumpers.
It's very much like a tractor in that regard.
Anonymous No.28579494 [Report]
>>28579402
This.
Anonymous No.28579499 [Report] >>28582693
>>28579079 (OP)
I know someone who just bought a Lancia Fulvia sedan for $4k in the US which I'd so much rather have than a Lada for $23.
Anonymous No.28579501 [Report]
Man , how do you explain to the seller that you can export one from cuba to Dominican Republic for $2000
Anonymous No.28579506 [Report] >>28579508 >>28580645
I have driven an 2107
its not soulful
its not quirky
its not interesting

its a piece of shit of a car compared to anything post 1990
its a tool for getting you from point A to B, not something made to be enjoyed
Anonymous No.28579508 [Report] >>28579573
>>28579506
>its a piece of shit of a car compared to anything post 1990
The visibility is better than in 1990+ Ladas and it's RWD
Anonymous No.28579537 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
very, they've always been shit, I don't understand this new craze for them.
I guess people buy them because they think it'll be reliable like a Kalashnikov? spoiler, it's not
Anonymous No.28579573 [Report] >>28579590
>>28579508
Just get a Maserati BiTurbo if you want to be quirky and enjoy misery.
Anonymous No.28579590 [Report] >>28579603
>>28579573
Why would a modern commie sympathizer do that?
Anonymous No.28579603 [Report] >>28579639 >>28579649
>>28579590
A real commie would ride transit with his fellow proletariat and not putter around in a personal vehicle like a decadent bourgeois.
Anonymous No.28579639 [Report] >>28579649
>>28579603
Modern commie-wannabees imagine themselves high-ranking party members with personal vehicles and sometimes with chauffeurs. I mean just look at the threads one of them regularly creates.
Anonymous No.28579648 [Report] >>28579654 >>28581243
>>28579394
oh shit i actually remembered wrong
some kind of brain fart but 1300 is belt driven most of the time
1600 is chain driven
sorry for the confusion
Anonymous No.28579649 [Report] >>28579653 >>28579663 >>28581836
>>28579603
>>28579639
What if I just like Soviet vehicles? I just think they're neat
Anonymous No.28579653 [Report] >>28579656
>>28579649
Move to Russia then, slavboo.
Anonymous No.28579654 [Report]
>>28579648
No prob, I think the 1600 шeшнap in the FWD cars was with timing belt.
Anonymous No.28579656 [Report] >>28579663 >>28579674
>>28579653
But I don't want to because they tax by displacement.
Anonymous No.28579661 [Report]
>>28579381
>Base model
>Manual only
>Air conditioning not included
>Probably will explode on start up
Best anti thief vehicle on the market.
Anonymous No.28579663 [Report] >>28579667
>>28579649
You're a fluke, an error, or a genuine retard. There's a reason ex USSR citizens started to buy foreign-made cars the very moment they got that opportunity.
>>28579656
No they don't, they tax by horsepower. And Russian domestics don't have much of that, so you'll be fine.
Anonymous No.28579667 [Report] >>28579678
>>28579663
>There's a reason ex USSR citizens started to buy foreign-made cars the very moment they got that opportunity.
They knew I'd be into their 2nd hand shitboxes, flooding the market with cheap toys for me.
Anonymous No.28579674 [Report]
>>28579656
Italians are why the 2litre is max for normal people. Luxury tax ffs.
Anonymous No.28579678 [Report]
>>28579667
I fear it's not 2nd, it's more like 5th or 6th at the very best. Good luck with your shitboxes, anon, having fun with your rides is the only thing that matters.
Anonymous No.28579689 [Report] >>28579694
While we're at it, are the Urals really as bad as they're made out to be?
Anonymous No.28579690 [Report] >>28579699
>>28579079 (OP)
Thats russian mafia money laundering. In Russia a pristine Lada lixe that is like 200-300k rubles, which is roughly 2-3k burger money. Well maybe 5k if its museum-tier.
Anonymous No.28579694 [Report] >>28579749 >>28579753
>>28579689
The 750cc OHV ones, nah, they're fine as they largely use western made parts.
The older 650cc ones, hoo fucking boy, you're in for SOME shit.
The even older 750cc sidevalves on the other hand are okay.
If it's a pre M61 or post 2007 model, you'll be largely fine.
Anonymous No.28579699 [Report] >>28579703
>>28579690
> In Russia a pristine Lada lixe that
does not exist, in the wild, at least. Collectors do have them, but they ask comparable money.
Anonymous No.28579703 [Report] >>28579725
>>28579699
>does not exist
They do, and there are plenty of them
>Collectors do have them, but they ask comparable money.
No they do not. The most delusional types may list mint low mileage ladas for like a million rubles but most of the time it doesnt sell
Anonymous No.28579725 [Report] >>28579755 >>28580646
>>28579703
>They do, and there are plenty of them
I should remind you that Russians season their roads in winter, and the said winter takes about 6 months at the very least in most places, getting snow in May in Moscow is not uncommon.
>No they do not. The most delusional types may list mint low mileage ladas for like a million rubles but most of the time it doesnt sell
Yes, they do, and yes, it usually doesn't sell because
>There's a reason ex USSR citizens started to buy foreign-made cars the very moment they got that opportunity.
But for 300k you're going to get a complete rustbucket beater, and with current state of Russian car market I'm not even sure of that.
Anonymous No.28579749 [Report] >>28579768
>>28579694
Awesome, thanks anon.
Anonymous No.28579753 [Report] >>28579768
>>28579694
Based Ural nigger. Plans for a sidecar?
Anonymous No.28579755 [Report] >>28579771
>>28579725
>for 300k you're going to get a complete rustbucket beater, and with current state of Russian car market I'm not even sure of that.
nigger I literally bought a trust-free E46 for 500k rubles recently. Your ded's piece of shit "time capsule" doesnt cost a million, go fuck yourself pidor
Anonymous No.28579768 [Report]
>>28579749
Honestly just skip the 650cc ones. THey have fragile crankshafts that are very difficult to come by nowadays and charging issues as there isn't really a good alternator available for them aside for a Denso alternator from the latter ones that cost about 600 bucks a piece used, usually around 8 to 900 bucks with the cushdrive.
Dneprs technically are better as their conrods were with plain bearings and rodcaps like in a car unlike the 5 piece pressed together slinger crank in the IMZ, so it's easier to nigrig one up from spare parts, but those too are both hard to comeby and tended to wreck themselves anyway due to manufacturing defects.

>>28579753
I've been eyeballing a sidecar, but I'd need a 3rd Ural as I've deleted the sidecar mounts on the KMZ and I intend to keep my IMZ solo.
Anonymous No.28579770 [Report]
>>28579099
Thinking optimistically, this is probably a vin scam
Anonymous No.28579771 [Report] >>28579796 >>28580769
>>28579755
Made me laugh, especially
>trust-free E46

Jokes aside, please note how this outstanding Russian citizen chose an inomarka over some VAZ.
Anonymous No.28579783 [Report] >>28582648
>>28579079 (OP)
you could buy a random 80s shitbox on craigslist and fix it up, have it repainted, and detailed in and out, and it would still cost less than a piece of junk from russia.

for example picrel for $3k

I would buy a lada for like $300 maybe
Anonymous No.28579796 [Report] >>28579802
>>28579771
>being told by a legitimate Russian what things are and cost
>"Nuh uh youre wrong also lmao you bought bmw not russian?
You people are a plague and need to be eliminated for the future of the species.
Anonymous No.28579802 [Report] >>28579870
>>28579796
>You people are a plague and need to be eliminated for the future of the species.
Anonymous No.28579828 [Report]
>>28579085
It's the cars their parents had when they were a kid. And the cars they first had when they got their license. And they're "affordable" hobby cars.
Anonymous No.28579870 [Report]
>>28579802
Buddy you're so dumb you don't even understand what I mean by
>you people.
https://youtu.be/KK9afi64-Co?%t=98
Anonymous No.28580644 [Report]
>>28579381
Man, soviet-made niva from a scrapyard will be more reliable than that russian shit. They are laughably bad
Anonymous No.28580645 [Report] >>28580878 >>28581243
>>28579506
Can confirm. Moskvich or Volga is infinitely better-anything made by VAZ feels like there wasn't a single passionate person behind creating it
Anonymous No.28580646 [Report]
>>28579725
>season their roads in winter
that's why all grandpas covered the underbody and every cavity in пyшcaлo/мoвиль
Anonymous No.28580769 [Report]
>>28579771
I would buy one too. The Germany that made the E46 is dead and never coming back.
Anonymous No.28580786 [Report]
brought this 2 year ago for ~321$, and I think its still better than this
Anonymous No.28580878 [Report]
>>28580645
I have to agree with this anon, albeit comparing a Volga to a VAZ is kinda dumb.
For some reason I just don't care for Zhigulis, I'd rather a Moskvich, even the shitty opel derived 1.3 powered ones over a Zhiguli.
Anonymous No.28581037 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
>slow piece of junk
>terrible parts availability
>not even reliable
Pretty stupid imo. It has no value other than "well that's weird"
Anonymous No.28581243 [Report] >>28581247 >>28581356
>>28579134
>>28579380
>>28579394
>>28579648
only the 1.5 was belt-driven.
1.7 was only available on the later nivas and 2107
>>28580645
>moskvich or volga better in any regard
in what universe
Anonymous No.28581247 [Report] >>28581308
>>28581243
In what regard except smaller fuel consumption is a Zhiguli superior to a Volga?
The latter Volgas were actually quite nice albeit unable to compete with western cars.
Anonymous No.28581308 [Report] >>28581360
>>28581247
>later volgas be like
Anonymous No.28581329 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
Fucking retard, don't get it
2 grand max 2y0yv
Anonymous No.28581356 [Report]
>>28581243
>in what universe
In all of them. The only area where zhiguli are better is the rear suspension, but Watt's linkage fixes most of Moskvich issues there
Moskvich engine is miles ahead of vaz, ergonomics too, tranny ~comparable- more reliable but gear ratios are a bit suboptimal. Brakes noticeably better too, and they don't make the car swerve during an emergency stop
Anonymous No.28581360 [Report] >>28581390
>>28581308
That's a Chrysler, you know I meant a real RWD Volga.
That being said, are you arguing that is realistically worse than a Zhiguli?
Anonymous No.28581390 [Report] >>28581676
>>28581360
>a real RWD Volga
You mean a poor Ford copy?
Anonymous No.28581676 [Report]
>>28581390
There's no ford after the emka. From Pobeda onwards they were their own thing.
If anything, they have more Chrysler than ford in them as some GAZ models used a copy of the Chrysler flathead straight 6.
Anonymous No.28581794 [Report] >>28582407 >>28582408 >>28582430 >>28585079
Why don't the Russians just copy the crown vic and its engine? Its tailor made for that country.
>bof
>lazy v8
>can likely be made into 4x4

Very surprised the Russians didn't jump on the panther platform.
Anonymous No.28581836 [Report] >>28581854
>>28579649
No, not allowed. I have to constantly trumpet my government's propaganda. Because despite being a holocaust denier i've never even doubted THIS narrative for a second.
Anonymous No.28581854 [Report]
>>28581836
Shalom, Rabbi!
Or to the shabbos goy shitposting for him.
Anonymous No.28582407 [Report]
>>28581794
Because the GAZ 24 was basically that.
Anonymous No.28582408 [Report] >>28582430
>>28581794
>big sturdy car
>v8
No way your regular Ivan can have it, it's reserved for the nomenklatura.
Even RWD Volgas were midsize cars about 4.7-4.8m length with I4.
Anonymous No.28582416 [Report]
>>28579079 (OP)
If anyone pays $1k for this car is a fool.
Anonymous No.28582430 [Report] >>28582435 >>28582443 >>28584430
>>28581794
anything with more than 4 cylinders is considered le wasteful and uneconomical in russia. fuel economy sells cars here. v8s are considered a toy for the rich, because muh maintenance cost and muh fuel economy. and while I understand the maintence costs argument, caring about fuel economy that much is retarded. like your ego suffers a lit more than your wallet driving an underpowered 4 cylinder cuckbox, the saving are tiny even if you drive a lot.
>>28582408
>nomenklatura
>in post-soviet russia
are americans really as dumb as they say?
Anonymous No.28582435 [Report] >>28582436
>>28582430
Fuel in general was and still is fairly cheap in Russia.
Anonymous No.28582436 [Report] >>28582438 >>28582443
>>28582435
yes, thats why I dont understand russians' obsession with fuel economy
Anonymous No.28582438 [Report] >>28582447 >>28582646
>>28582436
It's a hold over from more difficult times when fuel wasn't quite as cheap and was rationed.
Pro tip: it was still fairly cheap, people were just stingy.
Anonymous No.28582443 [Report]
>>28582430
>are americans really as dumb as they say?
Yeah, some of them don't realize it's essentially the same people and their children that rule the country today. They never left. I mean even their best practices have returned, although sometimes under different names.
>>28582436
Low wages and oil/gas companies' habit of compensating for their export losses on the internal market. Fuel prices are just never going down and it's like $3.1 for a gallon of 91 AKI gas equivalent at the moment in Russia. Go compare median incomes yourself.
Anonymous No.28582447 [Report] >>28582589
>>28582438
>It's a hold over from more difficult times when fuel wasn't quite as cheap and was rationed.
Rationed for whom? Almost no one had a car even at the dawn of Perestroyka, not speaking of some "difficult times".
Anonymous No.28582468 [Report] >>28582592 >>28582594
in finland you can buy a RWD lada for a couple of thousand euros
Anonymous No.28582589 [Report] >>28582631 >>28583536
>>28582447
By official data from Goskomstat, in 1985 there were 90-100 cars per 1000 people. In that same year 2.1 million cars were made, of which 1.3 mil were passenger cars. 1 car per 10 people may seem low, especially when every US teen has a car, but in practice this means almost every family had a car. And such "low" number is good when you have cities planned and built around public transport and walking.
Modern day Ukraine has ~230 cars per 1000 people, but families are now smaller, so it's around the same-almost every family has a car. However, big cities like Kyiv now suffer from massive traffic jams, and it's getting worse because public transport suffers from it too, so more people switch to cars. The only truly reliable form of transport left is subway
Anonymous No.28582592 [Report]
>>28582468
Dam. In here they cost a couple hundred. Startup idea lmao
Anonymous No.28582594 [Report] >>28582610
>>28582468

wtf does finland have so many retard who waste money on soviet junk
Anonymous No.28582610 [Report] >>28582669
>>28582594
I think they just got them for cheap from the Soviet Union. The Soviets were desperate for Western tech, products and currency in the USSR's later years. Finland got all kinds of stuff like train locomotives, cars and assorted heavy machinery from there in exchange.

The Finnish Army also used to drive around in UAZ-469 jeeps. Pretty common sight around the garrisons ~20 years ago.
I think those are mostly dead by now. Small Soviet gasoline engines rarely lasted over 20,000 km.
Anonymous No.28582631 [Report] >>28582646 >>28582665
>>28582589
>By official data from Goskomstat, in 1985 there were 90-100 cars per 1000 people.
Source? The pic in 28582447 seems to be pretty accurate. Most of the sources I can find have the same list (it's by region and per 1000 people for non-speakers), this pic is from
https://istmat.org/files/uploads/45859/19_transport.pdf pp. 13-14
>1 car per 10 people may seem low, especially when every US teen has a car, but in practice this means almost every family had a car
No it doesn't. And a car, especially a Soviet one, does not sit ten people.
Anonymous No.28582646 [Report]
>>28582438
>>28582631
And yeah, about those "difficult times" and fuel rationing that supposedly left a scar in the mind of a common Russian. What times exactly, what years?
I mean in 1970, nine years after first man in space, cars were still too rare for that, less then 1 car per 100 people everywhere except Moscow and St.Petersburg (1.4 and 1 car per 100 respectively)
Anonymous No.28582648 [Report] >>28582789
>>28579783
That's actually my dream car, there's one in my area for $1500 but it's been rotting behind someones workshop since the 90's and I don't have the resources or knowledge to take on a project like that
I'll have one one day, mark my words
Anonymous No.28582665 [Report] >>28582688
>>28582631
>a car, especially a Soviet one, does not sit ten people.
It doesn't need to. A car is needed for emergencies, to go to a river or a forest and to move something relatively heavy. For everything else there's public transport, which is ridiculously more convenient than a car, unless you need to be in 6 places on different ends of the city in one day.
>No, it doesn't
Then why every family I know had at least a Zaporozhetz?
>Statistics
My numbers are from a soviet book, I'll take a pic the next time I'll go to the garage
Anonymous No.28582669 [Report] >>28582907
>>28582610
>Small Soviet gasoline engines rarely lasted over 20,000 km.
Idk what ur on, there's a metric fuckton of pre-1991 zhiguli in Kyiv (it's impossible to go anywhere without seeing at least 10), and they sure as hell have more than 20k km
My 1977 Moskvich has 30k on the odometer, and that's like 3rd time it rolled over 100k
Anonymous No.28582688 [Report] >>28583209
>>28582665
>unless you need to be in 6 places on different ends of the city in one day.
No need to do that yourself, komrade, you can put one of your family members in each of these six lines.
Anonymous No.28582693 [Report] >>28582696
>>28579499
All the weird obscure Italian/French collectors cars go for literally nothing in America

Even stuff like 205 GTIs are $10k USD
Anonymous No.28582696 [Report] >>28582698
>>28582693
I am legitimately considering buying that silver 106 S16 btw, its been for sale for literal months at the same price. At this point they're probably desperate to move it and would take a $5k offer.
Anonymous No.28582698 [Report] >>28582700
>>28582696
wrong pic
Anonymous No.28582700 [Report] >>28582732
>>28582698
im floored someone would import a thema 8.32 btw
Anonymous No.28582732 [Report] >>28582840
>>28582700
That's the least surprising grey import from those ads to be honest, an 8.32 is a collector's item like any rare 80s car with a big name (even if it's just the engine)
The big Peugeots and Beta Spiders were official imports
106 and 306 GTI make sense as they are somewhat classic hot hatches
But the regular late 205 is an odd choice

I don't understand how such a cruddy 106 GTI made it over the pond (mismatching hood and bumpers, missing arch, wrong wheels and that's just from the pic) When you're already going through the trouble of bringing a weird car over, why not spend an extra 1-3k on a straight example?
Anonymous No.28582789 [Report]
>>28582648
Good luck. I just got a 1985 crown vic. I don't really have the resources or knowledge either, but it was a few hundred and it still ran so I drove it home and now I have it plus a cart full of rockauto parts.
Anonymous No.28582840 [Report]
>>28582732
https://www.fb.com/marketplace/item/731270083071669/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYirWvVoEok

Apparently it has no issues mechanically. I figure the bodywork will run me $1-2000 (paint the hood + flares, compound/detail the car and lights) and I'm ahead on a regular 106 if I pay $5-6000. Usually people want $8-10k for them imported. I missed on one in Orlando Florida for $7000 (paint faded, fuel level sender not working) but I wasn't a fan of the color (dark blue)
Anonymous No.28582907 [Report] >>28583233
>>28582669
The UAZ-469's engine (also used in the related UAZ-452 off-road van) is an absolute piece of shit. It's so horribly inefficient the coolant boils off violently at like 100 kph, not that the car is very drivaeble at that speed anyway.
The Finnish Defense Forces considered 30,000 km the absolute limit for the thing. At that point they got an engine rebuild or were scrapped.
Anonymous No.28583209 [Report] >>28583235
>>28582688
Lmao, good one
I meant more like move 100 cans of movie prints from uni to archive, then go to a party, all while distance between any of these is 30km
Anonymous No.28583233 [Report] >>28583526
>>28582907
Weird because ours were considered conscript proof and virtually unkillable.
We used to joke to the defender and hilux fags to keep their 141/virve charged in case they needed a real offroader to come tow them off the lawn.
Anonymous No.28583235 [Report] >>28583326
>>28583209
That sounds like a really uncommon scenario for your average Soviet citizen. Same as with every family you knew having at least a Zaporozhetz, actually, so I suspect you or your parents were well-connected and of higher status, which by definition can't be true for the most.
Better get to the garage and find that book before this thread expires.
Anonymous No.28583326 [Report] >>28583494
>>28583235
I was talking about modern day, mate.
>Same as with every family you knew having at least a Zaporozhetz
Well it may be not typical because I live in Kyiv, but then again, a lot of my friends are from like Berdyansk or Pyryatyn so I think I have a decent sample.
Anonymous No.28583494 [Report] >>28583672 >>28584364
>>28583326
>I was talking about modern day, mate.
While discussing late-Soviet personal car availability? Look:
>By official data from Goskomstat, in 1985 there were 90-100 cars per 1000 people.
- don't think that's correct, but let's assume for a moment it is
>1 car per 10 people may seem low, especially when every US teen has a car, but in practice this means almost every family had a car
- claiming that 0.9-1 cars per 10 people meant almost every family had a car is pretty sketchy. The families were not that big especially in the cities (rural citizens and their situation in USSR is a separate topic I don't even want to touch, at least not here), and even if they were, one car per family of 10-11 people is truly something usable only for emergencies affecting a limited number of family members.
>a car, especially a Soviet one, does not sit ten people.
- here I meant that the Soviets didn't even have personal vehicles capable of seating a lot of people, even front benches fell out of fashion at some point. The Americans did, but I believe it was 8-9 at most for wagons and trucks equipped with three rows of bench seats.
>Well it may be not typical because I live in Kyiv, but then again, a lot of my friends are from like Berdyansk or Pyryatyn so I think I have a decent sample.
Another topic I don't really want to touch. Lots of people say the Ukrainian SSR was in a privileged position in post-war USSR compared to other Soviet republics except maybe the Baltics. Because of that I suggest sticking to statistics instead of personal accounts, because those might be wildly unrepresentative.
Anonymous No.28583526 [Report]
>>28583233
Yeah, they're pretty heavily built and good offroaders, so if the engine isn't too fucked they can go more or less anywhere.
It's just that the engine is terrible and wears out fast.
The 2.4 L block supposedly has 70-something horsepower, but it's more like 50-60 hp because of how inefficient and poorly cooled it is. I heard some NCOs at our garrison almost got one up to highway speed, but at that point it was screaming like crazy, and a mix of boiling coolant steam and smoke was coming in through the dashboard.
Anonymous No.28583536 [Report] >>28583672
>>28582589
I found a better book. It's by Goskomstat itself, from 1990 so still Soviet, and has the exact data we were arguing about. And it has the data for all Soviet republics, it's really fascinating.

https://crystalbook.ru/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8C-%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0.-%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA.-1990-1.pdf

Some facts:
> USSR had the least personal cars per family number in the entire Eastern Bloc (Hungary, DDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia had several times more)

>Ukrainian SSR had the same number of cars per family compared to the USSR, but a little bit more per capita

>HOWEVER, a number of Soviet republics had significantly more both per family and per capita, including Georgia, Armenia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. But only Estonia got into triple digits with 109 cars per 1000 people by 1985.
Anonymous No.28583672 [Report] >>28583838
>>28583536
Seems good, looks like you saved me a trip to the garage.
Yeah, 46/1000 seems very low. There's a culprit of "privately owned", some additional amount was technically owned by the state, but that wouldn't be enough to raise that number to a 100
>>28583494
>While discussing
Well, yes. My argument was, it isn't really necessary to own a car when your city is built walkable and with proper public transport, so even today a car's role is reserved to what I described. Well +luxury, and roadtrips I guess but those aren't fun when you have to dodge potholes and imbeciles on a two lane road
>The families were not that big especially in the cities
Two sets of grandparents, parents, 1-4 kids. 7-10 people total, not including parents siblings
>Soviets didn't even have personal vehicles capable of seating a lot of people
Well there are RAF-110, but why would one need to move a lot of people at once? Every scenario I can imagine is covered either by public transport or by a cargo taxi
>privileged
My ass. The numbers don't lie-we had barely more cars than rsfsr despite having ZAZ, LuAZ, 5 car assembling plants, 10+ car repair plants (that in practice were assembling cars too), and that's not counting plants that were making trucks and buses. If anyone was privileged it's the Caucasus republics
Anonymous No.28583838 [Report]
>>28583672
>My argument was, it isn't really necessary to own a car when your city is built walkable and with proper public transport, so even today a car's role is reserved to what I described.
The necessity is another topic I would rather not discuss in this thread and probably not even on this board.
>Two sets of grandparents, parents, 1-4 kids. 7-10 people total, not including parents siblings
Yeah, but somehow more extended-family oriented republics like Kyrgyz SSR didn't even had that: from the same page it's 16 per 100 families or 35 per 1000 people by 1985 meaning it's 4.57 people in one family on average. For RSFSR or Ukrainian SSR it's even smaller, closer to 3. Can't find the definition of "per family", maybe that means "per household" or "children/elderly excluded", idk.
>Well there are RAF-110
RAF-10? I think the most popular one during the 1980s was RAF-2208, but I can't remember any instance of it being mentioned as a personal vehicle before the fall of the USSR. In the 1990s sure.
>My ass.
Yeah, the stats show that people saying that are wrong, at least regarding personal cars.
> If anyone was privileged it's the Caucasus republics
Exactly, and the Baltics. Estonian SSR had it better than fucking Poland. I mean I understand that still was lower than DDR or a number of West European countries with strong economies at the time, but times better than most of the other republics of the USSR.
Anonymous No.28584364 [Report] >>28584479
>>28583494
>Soviets didn't even have personal vehicles capable of seating a lot of people
Raf, UAZ, Škoda, the Start minivans...
Anonymous No.28584430 [Report] >>28584479
>>28582430
The difference between an econonimal 4 cylinder cuckbox and a big v8 can easily mean doubling the fuel consumption. And the purchase price difference is huge if you stop buying cars with your ego and just get what you actually need. And there's literally nothing that the big v8 can do that the 4 cylinder cuckbox can't do.
Anonymous No.28584479 [Report] >>28584551
>>28584364
>Raf, UAZ
I said personal
>Škoda
I said Soviets, not Eastern Bloc
>>28584430
>The difference between an econonimal 4 cylinder cuckbox and a big v8 can easily mean doubling the fuel consumption.
Sure, especially if you put a tiny 4 cyl into a big heavy car better suited for 6 or 8 cylinders. But there's a nuance.
Anonymous No.28584551 [Report] >>28584708
>>28584479
And why don't Raf and UAZ fit the bill? Both could be privately owned.
Anonymous No.28584708 [Report]
>>28584551
How many of them were privately owned during the Soviet era?
Anonymous No.28585079 [Report]
>>28581794
I mean the Russians literally imported batches of them for their police. Don't know what happened after the fact but some did make it over there.