Thread 28666008

Why so based?

Based on what?

>>28666008 (OP)
> factory fog lights
> fairly simple
> fairly nice interior
> as much hp as a new Si, but NA and high RPM - literally feels better than a new Type R
> light, simple, good driving dynamics
> cheap parts
> shifter literally better than new Type R, which still grinds second. Considered better than Porsche shifters, don't see how
> feels much faster than it actually is
> could make 50 more hp and be legitimately fast. But again, cramped bay a shit.

but...
> weird tiny engine bay
> wrong wheel drive
> no torque
> brakes a shit
> had to be repainted 3 times by now
> exhaust probably rotted off
> your coat hangers are rattling and the roof liner fell off
> might be kind of a death trap, but not miata tier

Questions?

I will never understand honda faggots. For the amount they spend on their gay little ricer shitboxes they could buy an actual sports car derived platform form the big three at literally any price point. i see weebs spend tens of thousands more on their FWD pile of garbage that torque steers the world over while my 15K mustang GT with a 5.0 blows the pants of every single one of them. what gives, is it jap derangement?

>>28666099
> is it jap derangement?
To some degree. Your mustang has worse build quality and reliability compared to the Si. It also has worse gas mileage.

> that torque steers
The Si outperforms you on any curvy road. The new CTR outperforms the Mach 1 on curvy roads. Full stop.

I am: >>28666082 and heavily considered a new GT or Mach 1 for a bit. At that point the Supra made more sense though.

>>28666111
>The Si outperforms you on any curvy road
Sure bud.
>and reliability
I’m not going to go and pretend any Ford is as reliable as a Honda but the 4.6/5.0 were and are stout motors, especially if paired to a manual. Mine is 300K and still going strong.

>>28666123
Forgot to attach the picture.

>>28666123
I don't have much to add, I also forgot the "heavier" part. 500 lbs is a significant difference.

GTs are good cars and great performance (again, especially straight line) for the money.

Depending on gen, they are also arguably good looking, and another argument for >>28666008 (OP)
is that it's probably the best looking Civic gen.

>>28666127
https://buttonwillowraceway.com/

Dem full-throttle straights tho. And holy shit is there a difference in the way the GT pulls. Again, not going to deny the obvious, but the Si is better in the curves and the FWD doesn't hinder it one bit there. The weight does hinder the mustang AND causes more wear and tear on pads, bushings, etc.

>>28666133
I was being a tad inflammatory in my original post. I won’t deny the Si is competent. But I still just can’t understand the fanbase. Maybe it’s because I wasn’t introduced to JDM when young? I simply can’t understand it when cheap GTs, C4s/C5s, camaros etc are plentiful, cheap and easy to mod.

>>28666135
All good, I don't entirely disagree with you. I got an Si because at the time it seemed reliable and mustangs had the "can't turn reputation". I was also very budget sensitive and wanted to get something I am familiar with that gets ok mpg.

I think a lot of people do have JDM illusions, but I actually don't understand the Civic "scene" at all, other than the gutted old ones (back when the CRX was also used for that). The reason I say that is usually the JDM guys go for initial D cars.

C5 has the boomer rep. C4s I personally still perceive as much less capable, but I literally know nothing about them.

C7 and C7 ZO6 seems like the king of the "can spend 50k" scene atm, topping out the Supra and really anything else, while still having a manual unlike the C8.

Stepping away for a bit, but it's actually nice to talk through it sometimes. I am still not sure why I didn't go with the GT/Mach 1 this time around. Mach 1 got me on the mpg, it was too absurd, but I don't think the GT is that bad, and the new CTRs barely get 26 when driving them like grandpa, so corvette wins there too.

>>28666135

because the lighter car feels more nimble which makes it more fun. especially when it has objectively a decent suspension/chassis and a lsd.

that's really it. mustangs, camaros, etc didn't actually get gud until the late 2000s and even then you needed to tick off the "track spec" package (1le, track pack, pp1/pp2) that had the brakes/suspension to handle 410-430hp in a 3600-4000lb car otherwise it felt like a lazy understeering boat that wouldnt cooperate if you went into a turn too fast

the civics usually end up as some <30 y/o's only car too where they will prefer the other benefits (reliability, mpg, space). that gen of civic si was compared to the integra type r when it was new.

>>28666099
Perfectly summarized my thoughts. But then I also don't understand why they all dress like retarded fuccboiz and vape and think mumble rap is good.
JDM fags are inexplicable and it would be a mistake to attempt any explanation.

Raped by hemi

>>28666082
is the bay alot smaller than a bubble back? I helped on a honda v6 j swap into one and it fit no problem with room to spare.

>>28666099
>torque steer
a lsd is only $1000.

>>28666099
>on their FWD pile of garbage that torque steers the world over

*enters the chat*
YOU WILL FEAR THE AWD SAMURAI

>>28666008 (OP)
>K series with all the benefits thay come along with it
>8200 rpm
>does sick clutch drops
What's not to love?

>>28666503
front bias, yuck

>>28666684
>no torque
>weak synchros
>fail wheel drive

Fwiw my poor roomate pays all his money to alimony because he's dumb like most poors and has a honda civic early 2000s and a gen 1 crv and they always have stuff broken or leaking all over the driveway. They really aren't more reliable than my c5 or a german car that was maintened and then there's the cringe of him always telling me how fast his 140hp civic is because it's got "b-series with vtec" when my 5000lb cayenne S pulls on it like nothing, all delusional Honda fags basically have trickle down speed in their head because some guy on youtube spend 50k building an AWD turbo car that now shares 0 components except the shell from the car they have lol.

>>28666797
my awd turbo car will clap your c5 as is though...

>>28666811
Nice car especially for a daily, with a tune it would beat a stock c5 in a drag (both just under 5s to 60 stock) but not very impressive speed for 20 years of tech plus 2 turbos, awd and auto trans, also roughly 4x the price currently, if I put 40k+ into my c5 it'd be too scary for me lol

>>28666797
> maintened
> calls someone poor, says "roommate" immediately
> says "most poors" again a few sentences away from the above
> leaking top C5

Please tell us more about your life

>>28666797
>Trickle down speed
Lmfao

>>28666926
>tfw love my stock K24 because of all the dummy fast builds people do on this block design
The trickle down speed is real

The brown man's chariot

I think they're the top civic

When you get into the turbos and pricing on newer civics you start running into shit where hybrid economy cars are faster anyways so why bother "paying to play" and the newer civics are basically accords with accord pricing.

>>28666082
You forgot to mention the fuel economy is actually hellish for something this slow and small

>>28667125
It easily gets 32 to 34. That's on par with modern cars / you are full of shit.

>>28666008 (OP)
I think the problem with them is that they cap hard if you don't want to put wide racing slicks on the front and it IS diminishing returns compared to any RWD car e.g. >>28666099 (I am the guy who was talking to him originally).

If the perspective is performance, it kind of caps out at 50 more hp without becoming entirely what it's not, whereas the mustang can probably take 500hp and be fine.

Both are also rust buckets at this point, so you are constantly maintaining rust and little shit. That doesn't take away from the original merit of the car, but more of a consideration if you get one now and use it for anything other than a stock commuter.

>>28667388
>It easily gets 32 to 34

>>28667426
Now post those numbers side to side with a corolla and a mustang GT from the same site.

>>28666008 (OP)
That's the least desireable civic gen.

>>28666759
>weak synchros
wrenchlet

>>28667469
>32 to 34

>>28667551
Still no proof this thing wrenches

>>28667469
>debunks claim
>whataboutism
Lol.
>>28667551
>>28667560
>y-y-you don't wrench because honda made a mistake
What is with Hondafags today?

>>28667625
I am the mpg guy - many people easily get 34. Official is:
> EPA city/highway MPG 21/29 MPG

Mustang GT of same year MPG is: 15, 23, also from same source.

It's not whataboutism - we are comparing the Si to the Mustang from the very start >>28666099

>>28667625
now do the made in china mt82

There's no other trans on earth that can take a quickshift like a Honda yet they have weak synchros kek, never lined up for a pull, never turned a wrench is all I'm saying, larping, ricer

>>28667635
>we are comparing the Si to the Mustang from the very start
Lets look at that again.
>>28666082
>>28667125
>>28667388
Notice how none of those posts are about a Mustang.
>>28667639
>>28667640
>this thing is SEETHING over some weak synchros
Seek help Anon.

>>28667649
no, you're just a dishonest shitposter whos getting flustered and jammed up like a mt82 when you shift it too fast

>>28667649
I don't even know what you are saying anymore. Here is my clear point: The 2009 Civic Si (gen pictured in OP) has good MPG for a sporty car as evidenced by being far better than the Mustang GT, for example.

There is now whataboutism here. Your only point is that I exaggerated with 34 mpg from personal experience and non-official sources. That's correct, I did exaggerate when compared to official sources.

29 highway is still very good mpg for the era and far better than sporty competitors.

>>28667649
>>28667655
Btw, 2nd does grind for me on literally all honda cars (94 Integra, 2008 Si, new CTR). That was the case with the Miata and S4 as well though. Nor did I really see any difference in transmission feel between all the cars.

>>28667662
you need new synchros or different fluid

a mustangfag should never call out hondas for weak synchros, they dont have tremecs. the 5.0s are known for having the same exact issues as hondas in that department.

>>28667670
I am the guy you are replying to - I actually considered a new GT, but looked at the Mach 1 because of the Tremec.

Mach 1 was too much for real life though, would only get it if real life wasn't a thing and it was just a pure fun car.

>>28667670
Oh, and one more thing. The new CTR has the 2nd gear issues out of the box, so it's a real thing. But it's also considered "the best manual" ever, so I am kind of ambivalent toward it.

>>28667662
Why do you think they stopped making manuals kek? You faggot wrenchlets can't shift, who the fuck is gonna warranty some fatherless ricers learner transmission kek, just stick to slushboxes they're literally made for your kind (ricer, wrenchlets)

>Be you
>a faggot ricer with no money
>Grind your synchros to dust because dad left when you were a toddler
>blame the manufacturer who's been making manual transmissions for 100 years prior to your existence.

>>28667655
>dishonest
Because you've provided one thing saying that they don't have synchro problems? Are you retarded Anon or do you simply not understand that you provide proof to back up your claim that the transmission doesn't have synchro problems. Like I did >>28667625.
>>28667658
>is too stupid to follow a reply chain
Hondafags really are this retarded I guess. Mid 20s while running premium is pretty terrible for a 4cyl subcompact when a 5.0 makes double the power on 87. There are 5.0s on fuelly with 33mpg for their best mpg and average low 20s.
Also, why are both of you stuck on Mustangs when the posts you were replying to weren't talking about them?

>My heccin' mpg!!!
imagine discussing anything with a gas mileage tranny lmao, motherfucker literally exists just to go to work

>>28667719
stupid nigger

>>28667703
mixed bag, just understand the 5.0s have the same issue down to ford replacing transmissions on cars under warranty just like honda.

i think the clutches have a factor (lockout/grinding caused by clutch that's slow to release).

i like both but i don't think i would spend $50k on a ctr, they're nice cars but $50k buys you a lot of other cars. consider a 2022+ wrx with a bunch of suspension mods for half the money. i think its actually a good looking car as long as you don't do blue, saw that exact orange irl at a dealer and liked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLg2vXZsZc

>>28667725
300+ NHTSA complaints about Mustangs with shit transmissions

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2011/INCLA-PE11024-4638.PDF

Ford getting sued over the 5.0's MT82 in Gregorio vs Ford Motor Company

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/michigan/miedce/4:2020cv11310/346843

18-2083 - 2nd gear sucking -- https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10137069-9999.pdf

18-2175 - 3rd and 4th sucking -- https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10144179-9999.pdf

18-2267 - 1st and 2nd sucking -- https://latemodel.cachefly.net/downloads/instructions/18-2267.pdf

18-2341 - 3rd and 4th sucking (our first fix sucked, this sucks less), supercedes 17-2175 -- https://latemodel.cachefly.net/downloads/instructions/18-2351.pdf

>>28667728
>didn't start mpg discussion
>didn't start mustang discussion
Take your meds Anon.
>>28667735
Both cars can have synchro problems. I was talking about the 8th gen Si in the OP though. Idk why you fags are coping so hard about this.

>>28667745
>Idk why you fags are coping so hard about this.
Just blows my mind some single mom kid is talking about the quality of any manufacturers transmission lol

>>28667773
So by making baseless claims probably rooted in projection you feel like you've proven 8th gen Si's don't have synchro problems? Sounds like an argument rooted in logic, not emotionally lashing out like a woman because I slighted your idol brand.

>>28667781
Idol huh. You have never even held a screwdriver

i have a GT and the MT82 sucks tranny cock. still love the car and would take it any day over the Si. to each their own.

>>28666202
ID on those glasses?

>>28667786
>more baseless projection
Anon, does this somehow make the 8th gen Si not have weak synchros? What makes you argue like a woman?

>>28667662
you are shifting too quick. you need straight cut gears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAF0c1jQzl0

>>28666896
Typo oh nos anyway gonna keep enjoying my v8s cylinderlet

>>28667981
>crossover suv

>>28667983
>be me posted 16 cylinder thus far
>be (you) have a bus pass

>>28667993
>crossover eggshit auto only croosover suv
shut up becky nobody gives a fuck

>>28667983
>>28668001
Much like the top gear meme you posted you are riding public transportation

>>28668001
They made the cayenne in manual retard

>>28668004
>base model v6 only
lmao

they also made the nissan juke in manual, karen. what's your point? don't you have enough shafts in your hands already?

>>28668003
> you are riding public transportation

let's be real, you own a volkswagen you are the public transportation

>>28668010
GTS V8 retard-sama failing to use search engine is not a vote for Honda owner's not being retards
>>28668016
No bread and I have 16 cylinders cope seethe and take a booster lol

>>28668024
>a completely different generation of the crossover with a different engine that isn't his
>that makes his eggshit auto only mcdonalds strutted vagshit suv not embarrassing somehow

>>28668029
All you had to do was post bread but you can't I guess, owning a Honda is nothing to be ashamed of unless you are?

>>28668032
>p-p-ost b-bread (that's how you guys fit in right i heard it on reddit)
>doesn't actually do it himself

go back thanks

>>28668035
Raped by porsche

>>28668039
that's a corvette you monumental retard

>>28668050
No car cannot fathom I own both

>>28668054
>still no bread

stop posting your man's cars becky

>>28668058
Ironic I think I've made my point

>>28668058
>>28668062
Just incase you think about replying never forget you were graped by Porsche

>>28668058
omg a gril on 4chan where

>>28666051
Cousin Pablo says they;re based esee

>>28666503
GAY and also FUCKING slow. You could go buy a nice F82 M4 for the same price and have a car built to put power to the rear wheels. You have to throw 2 bar of boost at it just to get over 400 to the wheels meanwhile my 7L makes more than that and still gets similar highway MPG because it isnt being bogged down by a shitty AWD system and a huge front end.

>>28669952
> You could go buy a nice F82 M4 for the same price and have a car built to put power to the rear wheels.
That's assuming your only criteria is performance / having an /o/ instagram. The reality is that $60,000 is already pushing it for the upper middle class without an inheritance and pushing it hard.

Yes, you can maybe get an M2/3/4 for a similar price. Or an RS3/5. Etc. You are going to pay far, far more in depreciation and service costs. But sure, you do all your own work - that's great, but even the parts make a huge difference. Hell, parts on a CTR are at a huge premium. Just compared pads / rotors on an Si vs CTR (which you won't because you are a shitty troll).

>>28669960
Its a performance car with similar performance/ weight to a 5.7 charger. You go through pads and rotors slower when they aren't having to stop a bus. Its legit an NPC car, I cant find any reason I would take it over a used F80 or a comparable cadillac.

>>28666008 (OP)
I had a manual Civic and that thing had a pretty shitty trans

>>28666099
they think buying a weebshit car will help them get a japanese waifu like in their cartoons