Thread 507765419

When atheists are talking to Christians about politics, should they refrain from making any Biblical allusions?

>>507765419 (OP)
No and that image is bullshit. You're still a hypocrite even if the people calling you out on it don't believe in the value system you yourself claim to center your entire life around.

>>507765419 (OP)
>Noooooo you can't just use my religion against me, I'm only allowed to use it to attack you nooooooo

>>507765668
its true, religion is literally just a placeholder for not having the intellectual flexibility to espouse your beliefs against actual minds

>>507765419 (OP)
>>507765572
When has pointing out (perceived) hypocrisy ever been a successful debating tactic?
Telling a Christian he should let a bunch of low IQ Muslims invade the country because "compassion" is going to land just about as well as telling libshits they should stop attacking white people because "tolerance."

They don't think the things they advocate for are a contradiction and pretending you don't know that makes you look stupid.

>>507765419 (OP)
They should refrain from assuming they know the religion better than those that participate in it, that their interpretation is correct because it's theirs. No vague "it's in the Bible somewhere", cite chapter and verse if you're going to do it.
Not that they do this to any other religious group. You won't find them at a mosque saying Muhammad not real.

>>507765419 (OP)
>you can't possibly know what the bible says or what christianity teaches unless you buy the religion
Why are christfags so stupid?

>>507765419 (OP)
>yeah i know you don't follow my religion but my religious book says you need to follow these rules anyway :)
>noooo you can't use my own book against me when you're not part of my specific religious branch

>>507765572
No you’re right, Christians have no access to books or the internet that tells about evolution. They’re monoliths that cannot doubt or be concerned by science conflicting with 2000 year old biblical text.

>>507766684
>that their interpretation is correct because it's theirs

Well well well...

Is that not the issue with the innumerable sects of Christianity.
They use scripture to interpret scripture.

>>507766659
Galatians 3:28
>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

Your "holy book" is pushing for proto-globohomo and if you're not on board with that but still claim to believe it's the word of God that makes you a hypocrite, yes.

>>507767163
>Is that not the issue with the innumerable sects of Christianity.
>They use scripture to interpret scripture.
Sola Scriptura is ostensibly a Protestant thing. Everyone else pretty staunchly opposes interpreting the Bible for yourself.

>>507767163
But the atheist knows it better than any of them, right?

>>507765419 (OP)
Atheists don’t have relevant opinions

>>507767335
I'm not going to argue with you about patristics so I'll just leave it at "the people who preserved the scripture disagree with you about what it means."

>>507766659
>when have christians ever not just been discount jews trying to skirt around god's law and getting mad when they get called out
True, the answer is never.

>>507767736
And I can safely tell you that's all Christcope

>>507765419 (OP)
>When atheists are talking to Christians about politics, should they refrain from making any Biblical allusions?
No, but you will probably just make yourself look stupid, like usual.

>>507768264
That isn't God's law for the unbeliever. In a proper Christian nation Christianization is mandatory for any migrant with few exceptions. The quote refers to assembled Christians to come together in Christ. Which it still isn't too late to come together and drive out wickedness. It doesn't say open the floodgates and let unbelievers take over, nor does it say you can't have borders. Also, Jesus spared the adulteress as a demonstration of his ability to forgive, adultery remains a sin that is strongly admonished. Christians don't just pick their beliefs by building a strawman off of one verse, but atheists think they can influence Christians the same way. Interpretation is about consistent messages by wholly studying the Bible and doctrine.

>>507767470
So what you're saying is that Protestants are the only ones who aren't retarded and teaching other people to be just as retarded?

>>507765419 (OP)
>Noooooo you can't hold me to the standards of my own ideology!!!!!
Your meme has always been retarded anon.

Jesus said kill the jews

>>507768366
I'll elaborate on why these arguments are always a waste of time:
Galatians 3:16
>Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
Later, 3:27-29:
>For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

3:28 is obviously not talking about everyone literally being of one race or whatever the fuck you're trying to twist it into. It's saying that all who are under Christ receive the same blessing as Abraham and his lineage.

But now that we've made this dumb argument of yours clear for what it is, you'll just find another verse to twist and make it sound like it's something it's not.
It's just a waste of time.

>>507769829
Your meme comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of God's role in the life of man. While it's true God doesn't have to do anything the commandments that we're given and his method of forgiving them serve an extremely important purpose in understanding sin and how to properly address it. Since, the country has lost its' way this message is lost on many people and it has been a disaster.

>>507769923
Where? All I see are mildly critical utterances

>>507765572
See this line of thought is why we can't have a discussion. You believe the word of God to be a value system. You fundamentally don't know what Christians or any other religious group have a belief in because of ignorance.

>>507770116
No reply, funny
Every single time
Dollars to donuts he's repeating his same argument, unaltered, in another thread, within the hour.

>>507769564
>In a proper Christian nation Christianization is mandatory
Lol no, jewsus told you to leave people the fuck alone if they didn't want to hear his message.

>>507771192
When did he say that? Quote it or else you're a liar

>>507771061
probably. basically nothing posted on this board is real anymore. just more repeated threads and posts and shit that glows like never before. its bad.

>>507771522
This is a real post I made, and I am a real person. You can search the archive, this is my first time posting this. You're mistaken

>>507771444
Matthew 10
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
>Shaking the dust off the feet is a symbolic indication that one has done all that can be done in a situation and therefore carries no further responsibility for it. In the scriptural examples, Jesus was telling His disciples that they were to preach the gospel to everyone. Where they were received with joy, they should stay and teach. But where their message was rejected, they had no further responsibility. They were free to walk away with a clear conscience, knowing they had done all they could do.
https://www.gotquestions.org/shake-dust-off-feet.html

>>507771829
you know what i mean anon. the catalogue is terrible. some real discussions still happen i suppose.

>>507772598
Those were specific instructions for the Twelve Apostles during a time in which they would be persecuted. He's telling them not to get themselves killed fruitlessly.
Literally the next few verses
10:15-17
>Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.

Try again.

>>507773881
Oops, I left out 15:
>Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!

>>507773881
Doesn't refute anything I said, faggot. Try again.

>>507774010
Yeah that says *god* will judge them you absolute fucking idiot.

>>507765419 (OP)
Why? Atheist probably know the bible better than you

>>507774114
You said:
>>507771192
>Lol no, jewsus told you to leave people the fuck alone if they didn't want to hear his message.
The instructions you posted being directed at a specific group of people at a specific period in time directly refutes your argument.

>>507774420
>directly refutes your argument.
No it doesn't you retarded shitskin. You were never instructed by jewsus to force your religion on anyone.

>>507765572
Why should I listen your retarded opinions on a religion you don't understand?

>>507774420
Do you fucks come here intending to be the most dishonest vermin you can or what?

>>507765419 (OP)
If you're genuinely religious and on 4chan I don't know what the fuck you're doing.

>>507774559
And Jesus never told you to let heretics live in Christian lands. Which is what you were implying it was saying in response to this guy >>507769564 for your post to make any fucking sense.
You lost, tranny.

>>507775156
>just makes more shit up
Kek fucking idiot.
>>507775111
They're here to try to hook up with the imaginary trannies in their heads like this freak >>507775156

>>507766659
>Telling a Christian he should let a bunch of low IQ Muslims invade the country
That's just what Christians do

>>507769564
>Christianization is mandatory for any migrant with few exceptions
This is what it comes down to, to the Christian being flooded with shitskins is good if they "convert".