Thread 508196676

They can't go penetrate than a few lengths, that's basic newtonian physics, momentum of displaced ground must equal momentum of missile.

if the missile has 2x the density of the dirt (being very generous) it can go at most 2 lengths in or about 40 feet for the GBU-57 everyone is glazing

the US has no FUCKING chance of penetrating Fordow with ANY non-nuclear weapon. eat shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_depth

>>508196676 (OP)
the only way they do it is with a tactical nuke. Trump is enough of a deranged boomer to do it.

>>508196676 (OP)
Why doesn’t Mossad just put a giant pager in fordow

>>508196793
well, they could blame any subsequent radiation on iran

>>508196802
They put a bunch of pajeets in Iran and did some real damage.

>>508196859
no they can't

>>508196910
>real damage
more PR damage than real damage

>>508196793

Nukes will disintegrate if put into ground penetrating bombs. The nukes must be exploded near the ground level, which will just shake the installation 100's of meters below.

>>508196676 (OP)
you're a spastic. the bomb is a shaped charge and a follow through warhead.

shaped charge cuts a hole and the warhead behind goes through that hole. modern bunker besters all use that principle.

>>508196676 (OP)
Can we even confirm the bunkers exist? Never in my life have I ever seen a bunker and neither have you. I think the only DUMB here is the DUMBASS who believes it

>>508197075
nukes will collapse a deep structure if they're detonated below ground as the energy coupling is efficient

but the fallout will be immense, like one of those old 60s tests, much worse than hiroshima and nagasaki

is trump willing to blanket europe in radioactive cesium and iodine depending on where the wind is blowing? i don't think NATO would survive that

plus Russia would consider it had a green light to use nukes to win in Ukraine

>>508197276
Russia has no objective that requires nukes in Ukraine.

USA dropping tacticals in Iran would cause the entire world to sanction us.

Okay but what if it isn't dirt but mountanous granite bedrock?

>>508196910
they call it "bio-stuxnet" and its the worst technological weapon of our time. the parasite immediately dug in and began "fixxing" code. Before iran knew it, their code repositories were filled with endless "readme.md" "fixes" and their code was suddenly littered with bugs that occasionally are replicated but allowed.
when iran tries to start up their reactors for power, they are met with untintelligible nonsense, and their "engineers" immediately start claiming "misogeny and racism" when iran begins asking why the code doesn't work. Then they have the bioweapon work with mexicans to produce enough litter that the floor was no longer visible, and now iran's grid, like our new cars, windows 11, and google, no longer work properly, if at all.

>>508197136
>The US Air Force has said that the GBU-57 can penetrate up to 60 m (200 ft) of unspecified material before exploding.
that's not how it works at all you retard, stop making shit up

>>508197368
well yeah, then it's going to be even harder
iran reportedly uses ultra high density steel reinforced concrete on top of granite, so nothing bar a nuke is going to harm any structures through that

>>508196676 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33IfCt-fAOk
People are just high off the 1991 Bunker busters that were rolling though Iraq's aircraft shelters with eaze. But even only ~10 so years later, that had less success when they rolled with the same plan again in 2003. Iran has been leading the world in increasing concrete's impact resistance to sustain these kinds of bunker busting munitions. There is a reason why Bunker Busters are getting bigger and bigger, but they simply cant keep up how easy it is to increase the strength of concrete or how big these defensive concrete structures can become, let alone how deep you can.
>TL;DR
The Shield is leading in this specific weapons race.

>>508197476
>unrelated quote
YUR RETWADED

>>508197734
i remember when americans were having a collective orgasm about how their bunker busters would kill osama in his cave, i think it's literally leftover propaganda

>Iran has been leading the world in increasing concrete's impact resistance to sustain these kinds of bunker busting munitions.
i don't see why they can't use the same principles as tank armour to make concrete more resistant

for example have ceramic plates buried at an offset angle

or even have reactive armour for a building, have some big explosive plates covering the place

>>508197917
that image has literally nothing to do with "bunker buster" GBU-57 ordnance, that's an anti-tank glide bomb

you lose

>>508198043
feel dumb yet?

>>508198271
>unrelated slide
wow you sure showed me

>>508197136
Nigger do you seriously believe it can penetrate 1/2 a kilometer or earth?

>>508196676 (OP)
the case is made of tungsten and way thicker than of regular bomb, by weight it's like 90% case instead of 40 something. may be around 4x denser than concrete

>>508197554
Its not the rebar or the steel in the concrete, but these microfibers that help the concrete increase impact resistance up to like 10x stronger.
>>508197919
Probably cause the concrete vs the bunker buster is just tank shell vs tank armor is the same but scaled at a much higher level. Were talking about something that is like 30,000lbs compared to what a tank shell thats under 50lbs? And thats not even the full weight of the tank round when fired.
There's a reason why the US is considering nuclear bunker busters because they hit the limit of what our planes can carry and the conventional explosive power.
Note how COMPRESSIVE strength has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do with IMPACT resistance of concrete. Micro fibers in concrete marginally increases compressive strength concrete, but they 10x fold increase the impact resistance. So using the standard that it can penetrate 60ft of concrete. It can only penetrate 6ft of this new micro-fiber reinforced concrete. You also have to take into account of the type of earth like >>508197368 mentioned.

>>508198451
No the case is made of reinforced steel for the GBU-57.

>>508197136
>bunker besters

>>508198450
americans really believe they have some kind of fucking magical light saber bomb

>>508198451
not according to the published figures, but even if it was 4x as dense as concrete it would still only penetrate 80 feet down, Iran's nuclear sites will still be safe
plus obviously if it's only 10% explosive it will do a lot less damage

>>508198450
soil is never found that thick anywhere on earth.

obviously its classified but you can read between the lines here on the GBU 57 wikipedia.

"contains 4,590 pounds (2,082 kg) of AFX-757 and 752 pounds (341 kg) of PBXN-114"

AFX-757 is a RDX/aluminium powder filler typically used for underground targets, then we have 1/9 the amount of PBXN-114. why would they put those 2 bundled in together as one warhead. no its pointless. the PBXN must be the BROACH shaped charge component as the weight ratio's pretty much line up with other BROACH type bunker busters, stormshadow, taurus etc.

>>508198429
I wonder if these bunker buster bombs are tipped with a really big drill bit spinning at like 10,000 rpm that can chew through concrete or granite or smth

>>508196676 (OP)
Wouldn't it be cheaper to shove a nuke up some iranians ass and offer to make his family line for the next 3 generations insanely rich if he blows himself up in there?

Why can't Israel use their own nukes?

>>508198639
>Its not the rebar or the steel in the concrete, but these microfibers that help the concrete increase impact resistance up to like 10x stronger.
that's fascinating, didn't know that
so basically iran has spent the last 20 years techmaxxing for bomb resistant concrete and its enemies could be in for a surprise

>>508199037
This is why Iranians kill all of the gays btw

>>508196676 (OP)
Dude what if...
get this..
What if they used
>MULTIPLE BUNKER BUSTERS
in a row no less
OWO

>>508196676 (OP)
Socrates, before he died, had said not so much that the earth was hollow but that the rivers traversed and it was on those rivers that the souls would travel.. and we've found also, that the histories weren't merely comms or tradecraft for those classicly educated but also a means of cartography. have a nice day

>>508196793
If they sent a cruise ship full of vacationing american blacks down into those bunkers with some weed and alcohol, they would unironically cause more harm in a week than a half dozen nukes ever could

>>508196676 (OP)
That's not what they're for. The bunker busters are just the knock on the door to let them know Uncle Sam is upstairs and he's coming in.

>>508197136
You know these have guidance and they use intelligence... then do aim for airshafts, elevator shafts, etc...

They drop it on the weakest points.

>>508198429
why would they go back to using ww2 level technology when the modern tandem BROACH warhead is already proven to be superior?

>yeah our classified bunker buster is just a really big heavy sharp bomb that WE HOPE will penetrate some unspecified distance into earth like a dart

>>508199464
why does the wikipedia page for the bomb say it uses 2 different types of explosives? if its just a big hard pointy bomb why bother?

Scientist here. Two wrong assumptions being made in this thread. Firstly that they can't do staggered bombings using multiple bombs. Secondly, that the depth the unexploded bomb reaches is the depth that the explosion reaches.

>>508197276
Ukraine is literally the bread basket of Europe, retard. The literal point of the war is for Russia to retain their control over one country that's actually valuable for Russia's interests.

you REALLY Russians losing million russian men fighting this war all to rule over radioactive wasteland for the next 999 years?

>>508199136
>its enemies could be in for a surprise
Not really, but there is a reason why the US has been considering for some time about creating nuclear bunker busters because we hit the limit of what can be delivered with conventional explosive penetration as concrete technology progressed.
World Trade Center One concrete uses these micro-fiber concrete.
>>508199169
The US only has 20x of these. Only 2x can be carried by a B-2.

>>508197136
>Shaped charge through soil with follow up warhead
HAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS LITERAL NIGGER

>>508196676 (OP)
Dumb infographic. Where is V being accounted for? Only formula you should care about in this situation is 1/2mv^2

>>508196676 (OP)
majority of modern weapons are shovelware made by retarded grifters
/k/ schizos turned out to be biggest fucking retards on 4chan, imagine spending decades of your life worshiping army and shit only to get mogged by flying lawnmowers

>>508197432
under appreciated post

>>508199859
>he thinks there exists 500 meter tall layers of soil somewhere in nature

Ayatollah Diet Coca Cola

>>508199169
I also watched Top Gun Maverick

>>508199993
Da Igor. Da.

>>508196676 (OP)
You see the way they work is you just keep dropping them until you get to the bunker.

>>508198929
no one has dared to refute this yet

>>508199863
V is irrelevant for penetration depth at speed.
Momentum of displaced ground material = momentum of missile.

>>508198450
I mean, a much smaller anti-tank round uses a similar principle to penetrate like a foot of solid steel. Scaled up from a foot long to 20 feet long, with the mass of the explosive going up by a cubic factor I could believe that something like that could go through 400 ft of steel, which wouldn't be too different from going through 2000 feet of earth when tuned for it.

>>508196859
not really. Different Isotopes.

>>508196676 (OP)
>if the missile has 2x the density of the dirt (being very generous
It's tungsten jacketed in ferrocobalt, it has a density of 19 ish kg/m^3, whereas rock will be 2.7-2.8 kg/m^3, giving a density ratio of 6.78. It's also 6 m long, so the newtonian penetration is... 40m in rock, which is the spec

>>508197136
delusional chart

>>508199088
That's anti semitic. Also because getting the Iranians to sink 3 aircraft carriers and destroy the Saudi oil industry in retaliation strikes is considered part of the plan.

>>508200416
>It's tungsten jacketed in ferrocobalt
No it's reinforced steel for the GBU-57.

>>508200416
nigger it's not a solid tungsten rod
it's got a density of about 4 if you look at the published specs
even if it was literally tungsten density it wouldn't penetrate very far compared to what iran's armoured

Every time I see a test it's a bunch of concrete pads surrounded by air. Of course it can slice through that, there's nothing stopping the concrete from flying apart. Reminds me of karate black belts punching through a dozen concrete blocks: all for show. I want to see how far the thing travels into a rock mountain.

>>508200416
>literally making shit up

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglin_steel its made of steel. (the follow through warhead is)

>>508197002
>>508200377
>>508196859
they can and should simply not care
Its not like they're committing a war crime lmao

>>508200544
https://youtu.be/BrBVudn-ev0?t=32 This is the only test footage I could find but how could you film anything other than the surface?

>>508197353
we wont do shit lol
no one wants iran to have nukes

>>508196676 (OP)
Whats with all the shitskin cope these days?

>>508196676 (OP)
not to mention doing simple things like putting in diamond shaped reinforcement layers will cause it to go in at an angle and not do shit. even hitting with a nuke is questionably effective, they have looked into nuclear mining before, there is a reason they gave up on the concept.

>>508199863
Your missing the point. Velocity will be relatively similar for most missiles the largest factor is the density and length of penetrating material..

>>508200836
They need a Trojan Indian to infiltrate and do some mission impossible type of shit and attach a guidance beacon inside the bunker. Basically the missile will go through the entrance and swerve around the tunnels until it hits the middle and collapses the whole damn building

>>508200956
The velocity actually doesn't matter as long as it's high enough that we can treat the ground and the missile as fluids

by the time the missile stops moving it will have transferred all its momentum into the ground, so for a cylindrical penetrator, it will penetrate to its own depth times the relative density

>>508197432
>upgrade to 365
>refresh an excel spreadsheet
>outlook locks up
they finally managed to fuck up the ability to multitask in MS office. anyone looking to optimize corporate operations has an easy job ahead of them, ditch windows, ditch MS altogether and guaranteed to improve efficiency, security, and productivity.

Kek the media is now spamming graphics of the IRANIAN SUPER SECRET NUCLEAR TUNNEL MOUNTAIN BASE
Its like in 2001 when they spammed pictures of Osama bin Ladens super secret Tora Bora hideaway

>>508198983
Trump should send in Elon and his Boring Co. In 6 years Iran will have a robotaxi food delivery service.

>>508196676 (OP)
why don't they just drop a drill

>>508200244
Factually untrue. There is a value of lost energy to displaced material but it is not as simple as moving it out of the way in a solid state. Some will be liquefied instantly as it penetrates through the rock while the penetrator’s abradable shell shaves off to keep as much inertia as possible. Only during the end of penetration is the penetrator moving actual solid material out of the way. Regardless it is impossible to approach this problem without a velocity figure. Which is the most important variable in all of this

>>508201252
give up. everyone reading the thread will see my posts and realise you dont even know how a bunker buster works

>>508201734
>Which is the most important variable in all of this
Low iq take

>>508196676 (OP)
> IT S A MYTH!!!
Ok fucker, now imagine that you detonate a bomb after the busting in the dirty and repeat the process multiple times...

>>508201734
go argue with physics, fat boy

>>508201876
lmao

>>508201968
so you're going to drop bomb after bomb at the same angle, with centimetre accuracy? and like the shaft of shattered concrete isn't going to get in the way or anything?

>>508197276
>blanket europe in radioactive cesium and iodine
sounds like an added benefit desu

>>508201968
that doesn't work. each detonation is less effective than the last due to backfill which absorbs more energy and also conceals the original target point.

>>508199088
>Why can't Israel use their own nukes?
>>508200377
>Different Isotopes.
Tom Clancy leaked this in one of his books. If Israel ever used one of their nukes, analysis of the isotopes would reveal its source as being US.

>>508200783
>we should nuke Iran so they can’t get nukes because they might use them

>>508200686
Yeah, this demo is in dirt, who cares that it went 200 ft in dirt other than engineers verifying requirements specs? White Sands has bedrock exposed in parts, I want to see the test there, or through a giant concrete pour in the ground.

>>508202110
>>508202562
both of you thinks the US got like 10 bombs or something?!

>>508202110
Like hammering a nail, pulling it out, and hammering again the second one will have a guiding path

>>508196676 (OP)
>if the missile has 2x the density of the dirt (being very generous)

The density of dirt, or soil, typically ranges from about 1.1 to 1.6 grams per cubic centimeter (g/cm3) for most types of undisturbed soil.
Depleted uranium has a density of approximately 19.1 grams per cubic centimeter,

Your 'very generous' estimate of 2x is off by about 10x. So try changing that '2 lengths' into 20.

>>508199164
Everyone has a price.

>>508203163
>both of you thinks the US got like 10 bombs or something?!
they literally have less than 20 of these GBU-57 shits, so yes. also you don't understand the problem at all, each bomb is less effective so dropping more is actually counter productive.

>>508203358
it's going into granite or concrete and the bomb is made of steel and RDX not solid depleted uranium
so... no.

>>508202110
Bitch, we've been dropping bombs down air-shafts with precision since the Gulf War.

>>508196676 (OP)
it's too bad we don't have space-based weapons

we could send a railgun-launched bomb from a satellite and easily destroy this thing

>>508200114
>What is a mountain
I love watching third worlders argue on the internet
Can you name a successful real life operation where a bunker was destroyed at the depths Iran is claiming, using modern anti-bombing bunker concrete technology?

Also, has anyone actually described the sort of aftershocks underground explosions might cause to material inside the facility?
I personally think Iran won the "resist bunker busters" war, and that infiltrating an blowing from the inside was the best hope
The fact Israel didn't do that is a bad sign

Just drop a tungsten rod from orbit, nigger

>>508203576
ok ok
i get it
i guess those things aren't meant for mountains

>>508196676 (OP)
Let's make a list of all the unscientific lies we are sure +90% they perpetrate in the cucked West nowadays:

1) Bunker buster bombs penetrating 90 meters of concrete, rock and reinforced ceilings, when in practice NOONE ever went beyond 6 meter of concrete.

2) Patriot missiles, Juden sling and other idiotic interceptors: yes they can take out a WWII type rocket but not even dream of taking out a non-fixed route or hypersonic missile, it is just math, in 3D space there are too many combinations, IT, IS, MATHEMATICALLY. IMPOSSIBLE, almost certainly a defense scam to grab money, that's all.

3) Nuclear winter and other faggot exaggerations, promoted as white-lies so allegedly we won't go for a nuclear war, it is just fake and gay.

4)....

What else?

>>508202661
using a tactical nuke on a factory is nothing like using conventional nukes on population center

and you know this
So why are you pretending to be retarded?

>>508197075
>>508197276
We've literally had nuclear bunker busters since the 80s (publicly)-- the B61-m11 cause of the whole bunker arms race thing with the Soviet Union. The exact depth isn't published anywhere, but it penetrates <30m, embeds, then detonates itself and crushes everything beneath it. (estimated to destroy everything at least "hundreds" of meters down..)

Fordo can conceivably be taken out with MOPs, but Natanz? The shit that matters is like 200m down...

>>508196793
Nukes aren't real. This is all posturing trying to provoke Iran into attacking US so that we can have a land invasion with the good goys from Europe to die in mass in the mountains.

>>508204929
In what made up scenario would nuking a city benefit Iran?

>>508205018
You can't reason with Jihadists

>>508197195
In lithuania authorities still discover bunkers deep underground left by societs who took away all the documentation on them. Like someone starts a construction project, start analyzing a soil and it turns out that 20 meters below there's already a building.
There is no need to build bunkers in canada tho.

>>508197136
I still think its not going to work. Some bullshit sold by Ratheon amd the engineers said “they are never actually going to us it who cares if we oversold its capabilities”

>>508204929
that's not the point. the US and jizzrael are saying iran can't be allowed to even possess a nuke, because they potentially might use it. by using a nuke to prevent that the jizzrael coalition loses their casus belli which is already on shaky ground and will isolate them diplomatically.

>>508197276
>is trump willing to blanket europe in radioactive cesium and iodine depending on where the wind is blowing? i don't think NATO would survive that
you're severely overestimating the amount of fallout a single nuke produces.
>plus Russia would consider it had a green light to use nukes to win in Ukraine
no... they wouldn't. completely unrelated decision space. the green light to use nukes in Ukraine would have been when Ukraine invaded Kursk. >>508197353
>USA dropping tacticals in Iran would cause the entire world to sanction us.
sanction us how? the entire world relies on the US economy. as in literally relies on it for exports and investment markets. not just reserve currency shit which is way less important than people make it out to be.

>>508196676 (OP)
How about we test it on marks bumker first and go from there?

>>508199833
>The US only has 20x of these. Only 2x can be carried by a B-2.
so what? send 2 B2's and throw 4 of them and you still got 16 left and blew up the bunker

>>508205257
No one cares if a nuke is used to break open a door.

Iran can not have nukes because they will use them for a genocide, they've been explicit about this.
Its that simple

>>508205436
Exactly. Iran is so irresponsible they could nuke the rest of the world if their government collapses. They would call it the Allah Option or something crazy

>>508205272
>you're severely overestimating the amount of fallout a single nuke produces.
you're clueless, this isn't one of your air bursts
detonating a nuke just below ground irradiates the soil and maximizes fallout, this single nuke produced almost half of all US nuclear fallout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedan_(nuclear_test)

> completely unrelated decision space.
it's green lighting use of battlefield nukes, what do you think will happen

>sanction us how?
the world collectively decides we can't tolerate the US as an actor and make them pariahs
no more US business, no more US travel, no more US diplomacy, no more US treaties, no more US communication, no more US investments
an unlawful and unprovoked nuclear attack on another country would do that

>>508205436
They have a Samsung option? I never heard this. Or the Ayatolah say "Death to America" tbf, not that I've looked into it. It's always hearsay maybe they're afraid showing the clip will hypnotize people into converting to radical Islam.

>>508199464
whats the weakest point of a mountain?

>>508201344
the same one that a blackhawk got downed? and pakistan recovered?

>>508205763
that's North Korea who has the Samsung option

>>508196676 (OP)
>be a GBU-57
>lol.
>weight 30,000lbs, the same weight as a semi-truck or a bulldozer
>the only plane that can carry me is the B-2 Spirit, and it can carry two
>24,000lbs of me is hardened steel "penetrator"
>6,000lbs is explosive. A 6,000lb. bomb
>terminal velocity (the fastest I can fall towards the Earth) is 767mph, or mach 1.
>USA's bomber tech is so precise, that multiple bombs can be dropped in the same hole 1 meter wide
Good luck, son.

>>508205416
Even JDAMs have a CEP of 5m at absolute best, and we're not talking about just hitting the hole but threading the entire channel made by the previous MOP.

>>508206142
>multiple bombs can be dropped in the same hole 1 meter wide
no it isn't retard
>>508206251

>this thread
wait, am I reading it right that modern technology can't even wreck the fucking maginot line bunkers yet?

>>508206309
Oh, sorry. I didn't realize all of the institutionalized data I posted was disqualified by this one posting in this one thread on 4chan saying "Nuh-unh!". The entire program is fake. I'll remove myself.

>>508205733
yeah, the Sedan test was also more than 600ft underground, a near surface blast would probably release even more fallout. it did produce a 300ft deep crater, which is supposedly the depth of Fordo, so basically you would need to bury a nuke hundreds of feet underground to even scratch the facility.

>>508207436
you'd certainly crush structures below the point of the explosion, i don't doubt that a nuclear penetrating bomb would wipe Iranian nuclear facilities out

but yeah, a lot of nuclear fallout and really the end of america as a nation with allies, for centuries

>>508206142
>>be a GBU-57
>>lol.
>>weight 30,000lbs, the same weight as a semi-truck or a bulldozer
>>the only plane that can carry me is the B-2 Spirit, and it can carry two
>>24,000lbs of me is hardened steel "penetrator"
>>6,000lbs is explosive. A 6,000lb. bomb
>>terminal velocity (the fastest I can fall towards the Earth) is 767mph, or mach 1.
>>USA's bomber tech is so precise, that multiple bombs can be dropped in the same hole 1 meter wide


If you believe this you are retarded, and probably don't even know what a fucking meter is.
Why there is "an over representation" of retards among Americans:

1) Choice bias, Europeans "just seem" smarter because non-bilingual Euros don't post here (counterargument what about the British and other Anglos, they are not as retarded as Yanks)

2) American education is "America centered" Americans just "appear" to be ignoramus (counterargument: Europea education is Euro centric I learned NOTHING about China history in school, yet I watched documentaries and studied it on my own....)

3) Miscegenation: have you ever wondered why Americans looks like Southern Europeans while their ancestors were mostly Northern Europeans? Yes there is 12% of nigger blood in Dixie States Americans and alot of Amerindian blood in all of them. (No counterargument!)

>>508197136
>25m of steel
>100m concrete
>65m solid granite

>>508207008
>2 more weeks

>>508207669
>you'd certainly crush structures below the point of the explosion
actually I'm not entirely sure it would. I'm just going off studies of nuclear testing I've been reading, but it seems like the force is directed mostly upwards, at extreme depths it creates spherical cavities.

>>508199464
because Iran was dumb enough to make a perfectly vertical airshaft for the bunkerbuster to drop in, of course kek

>>508196676 (OP)
Well then I guess they have nothing to fear. So let's give it a go shall we old chap?

>>508196676 (OP)
I bet you think space is real and we landed on the moon?

>>508208178
20cm of turgid and throbbing penis
I want to believe

just use a quantum bomb and set the probability vector of maximum penetration to 100%. fucking retards

>>508206309
Just post your equations (with mainstream formulas to support it) or shut up you absolute fucking moron.

You wanted to make the whole post so go fuckin Google it's mass velocity (9.8m/s) the density of air the drag coefficient and the projected area of the object!
And then time to calculate dirt and rock my boy! Goodluck!!!


Absolute fucking shitstain, kill yourself.

>>508196676 (OP)
You know its even a greater myth when you understand that Boeing was building that bomb and all that they touch crashes and burns.

>>508197136
>range of the estimation is over 300 fucking meters
yup, that's just pure marketing bullshit aimed at the DEI hires in charge of the pentagon budget
a single one of these useless paper bombs probably costs $100 million
taxpayers are the BIGGEST cucks in the world

>>508198983
the bomb would spin when the drill hit the ground

>>508197136
Since you're using chatgpt ask it to do a check of those estimates. It takes a second.

>>508196676 (OP)
The elephant in the room is that complete neutralization of the complex will require a ground operation and that is the underlying reason Israel needs us in the war fuck em

>>508206251
CEP Test of GBU-57 from 40000 feet. The aiming point was a traffic cone

>>508198983
The issue is torque. How would you get the drill running with sufficient torque to down 100m or more? It would take a while and would need a lot of fuel. I don't know if it's possible but I can see how difficult it would be. It would also be slow enough for the enemy to notice, but I'm not sure they could do anything either.

>>508208504
Just like the Death Star.

>>508196676 (OP)
You are a shining example of the Dunning Kruger effect, blissfully unaware of your own ignorance.

>>508209128
>the US has deployed the angel Ramiel from Neon Genesis Evangelion

>>508199719
Good points, but the longer the aircraft stays engaged to drop multiple bombs, the higher the risk of it getting downed by missiles. Second, Just because there's some topical infrastructure visible from the skies, doesn't mean that's exactly where the high value underground targets are, they could be miles away, and the surface level stuff just decoy. You must admit that if a nation is betting that their best defense is underground infrastructure, they would go the length to be as creative as possible in making it a bullet proof plan. Otherwise, if they're as lousy as to leave such vulnerabilities, then they deserve to get bunker busted.

>>508209102
>not falling perfectly vertically
There goes the penetration. Is this a video?

>>508209379
we probably have enough spy-intel to know aproximate locations.

There is no buster, no even nuke can penetrate ayatollahs mountain. End of talk. If iran is nuked, pakistan and iran nukes israel. This was over before it started.

>>508208178
>>25m of steel
>>100m concrete
>>65m solid granite

>Earth (Soil) : 180-500 meters

Half a fucking kilometer in the down the Earth.

This gives it away, they just don't know what a fucking meter is.

Or maybe the are full blown retards that deserve to be slaves of the juden.

>>508209224
Kek I thought of the same thing. In real life a drill bomb would just be the drill itself though.

>>508209102
that's nice when you have an actual target, good luck preserving a target point after it gets covered in backfill. reality is never as precise as test cases.

Just drop several on the same spot lmao

>>508209503
My best guess is they're gonna get nuked and blamed for radiation, making it sound like they're stock pile of Uranium leaked in the atmosphere or something. No body will side with them anyway so anything you say against them will pass

>>508209462
That's as vertical youre going to get when youre flying mach .85. And yes there is a video if you search the image.

>>508196793
>They can't go penetrate than a few lengths,
Tactical nukes can't melt steel beams.

>>508196676 (OP)
> Target material with density B
How deep can it penetrate granite rock? I'm sure it will make at least some dent but Iran can build facilities hundreds of meters under a mountain. They wont build them just 20 meters under sand.

>>508196802
>Why doesn’t Mossad just put a giant pager in fordow
The goal is not to destroy Fordow or any other facility in Iran. The goal is to draw the US into another middle east war.

>>508196793
Even nukes cant reach bunkers under mountains. That's why the US and every other large country build bunkers under mountains for the case of nuclear war.

>>508209978
Found it. That's pretty good it does go underground (the first one in the vid, the second one just blows up).

>>508209675
Are you serious? They're not using Nordon bombsights for fucks sake.
They can dial in the exact same coordinates again and again. Fuck.

>>508210368
They can dial in different fuse options

>>508196793
>tactical nuke
good thing nuclear weapons DO NOT EXIST.
USA has no nuclear weapons.

>>508196793
Trump wont do shit.

>>508196676 (OP)
i am no expert on anything, but i imagine the design is for the missile to be heavy and sturdy to both penetrate but also survive the initial impact and then it will explode. kind of like a basic RPG rocket where on impact it will do an explosive stream forward, or some shit.

or put retardedly: penetrate as much as possible then go boom.

still hard to imagine being able to penetrate deeper than 15 meters max.

>>508197136
All the doubters here are low-IQ niggers who've never designed or engineered anything in their lives. A bunch of retarded McDonalds fry cooks mouthing off Never figured out how to put the pins in the straws without stabbing themselves when making the load bearing straw tower in science class.

>>508205096
So far they have been far more reasonable than Israel.

>>508212628
Harassing Israel because they're Jewish for decades is reasonable?

>>508212689
No, but "harassing" (whatever that means) them to stop them from committing genocide is more than reasonable, it's a moral imperative.

>>508196676 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJTq9yb_Zow

>>508212773
That's what happens when you're constantly telling everyone you're going to destroy Israel. Imagine if Portugal was every single day telling the world we're going to destroy Spain, what would you do?

>>508196676 (OP)
The only reason they havent used them is because they know they wont work. Even using them over and over on the same spot to try to penetrate deeper doesn't guarantee they can take out all of Irans hidden materials. This is a huge fuckup desu that is going to culminate in whoever controls Iran after this realizing the US and the western world could not stop their Nuclear program after all options were exhausted. Invasion of Iran is not an option and they actually started a whole war on overestimating their bomb capabilities. Honestly thats not that suprising as that trend is one they have been repeating with the Houthis for the past 20+ years.

>>508212689
Yes.

>>508204031
>mountains are piles of soil

>>508213211
Says the German kek hail mustache dictator. You did it on purpose didn't you?

>>508196676 (OP)
>I don't understand something so that means its not real.

>>508213034
So that's Iran's worst crime, saying rude things about Israel? How does that even remotely compare to what the US and Israel do to them all the time, including:
- Constant murders of scientists and other civilians
- Bombing their embassy in Damascus
- Murdering Soleimani after inviting him to peace talks in Iraq, using the Iraqi government to do so
- Arming oppositions groups
- Sanctions designed to strangle their population
- Starting an illegal war launching a surprise attack in the middle of negotiations, murdering hundreds of civilians?
Please, explain to me what has Iran done to deserve that.

>>508196676 (OP)
>They can't go penetrate than a few lengths,
Holy shit.

>>508198983
Anime logic
>>508197136
It's got something like 2.5 tons of explosive and is accurate within a few meters. Even if the depth range is a bit hopeful, just send 5-10 and have them hit the same spot, digging further with each strike.

>>508196676 (OP)
All Iran has to do at this point is survive and they win this. US and Isreal wont be able to destroy all of their hidden material thus they will still have a Nuclear option. They need to survive regime change and the constant air campaign but if they do they basically win this.

>>508205416
There's multiple bunkers as of an earlier thread. jews mathd bad.

>>508213472
It's not just saying rude things. They've been actively arming groups against Israel which attacked them and USA also has history of several confrontations with Iran. You are very short memory or history knowledge. Iran it's such a mess in international relationships that they managed to piss off every neighbor and even half of Iran is pissed off with the current rulers and want them out, in the middle of this attack. Are you telling you know more than Iranians themselves?

>>508213920
I am intentionally only listing the recent events. Do you want to go back in time and remember when the government of Iran was an US puppet? Or the hundreds of times that Israel has committed war crimes against the Palestinians and their neighbors?
Why don't you answer my question instead of deflecting? Is that all you kikes can do, lie and deflect?

>>508196676 (OP)
>if the missile has 2x the density of the dirt (being very generous)
holy shit you fucking retard you have no idea what denisty even is.

>>508196676 (OP)
I agree

Iran's shit be riddled with stunxnet virals. Dey no gud, nigga, fr

>>508214117
If you're intentionally only getting recent events Iran purposely armed Israel neighbors just to attack them. You're the one ignoring what I'm telling because you already made up your mind. Your questions don't even have anything to do with the original topic, which was is Iran more reasonable than Israel? No. They've been harassing everyone around them, recently. If they were reasonable they would have stopped, but they didn't, and they had several opportunities. Even Iranians are fed up, that's how bad it is. It may even end up in a civil war.

Stop being a retard. Both are pieces of shit but only really Iran could stop this whole mess and yet they didn't.

>>508208537
then how come people can drive 100 mph and not be crushed and splattered against the back of the car?

>>508209157
Oh god the jewish space lasers really are from the star war stories. >>508214117
Militias should really be about ignoring and defecting the UsAm and overthrowing pissrael. This is so fucking stupid. My country needs a new flag and government. It's over even if nothing happens.

>>508213920
Who else armed them? You will ignore this post.

>>508198450
If this was true they woold make tunnels with this.

>>508214970
Who else armed whom?

>>508214535
What neighbors does Iran arm? Want to talk about how Hezbollah was created and why? Or the Houthies? What do they demand from Israel?
You keep talking in abstracts term without going into details, because the second you start looking into what actually happened it becomes obvious who is the aggressor.

>>508213614
you don't fucking get it.

IF you could drop shitloads, all on the same spot, assuming that is even possible, you are talking about 90m of fucking concrete and granite. Reinforced concrete with sloped angles that will deflect the bomb. Tons of rubble and backfill from any material you do manage to explode. And assuming you could penetrate through all of that, in one spot, and hit a corridor inside the facility, big fucking whoop. There are multiple blast doors, the facility could function with a hole in one part. You need to take out the whole fucking thing, and you can't do that short of an expensive raid, it would be a suicide mission. That's where this is heading because the bunker buster cope is obviously not going to work

>>508215470
Nobody likes Iran in the middle east except maybe Pakistan. It's not an abstract, they're all enemies of Iran.

>>508215606
>More deflecting without actually saying anything
My bad, I should have known better than to respond to a kike.

>>508209128
You could use nuclear battery and some strong grippers to grab a hole propperly. But yea there would be no point.

>>508215742
Answering your question is deflection? Iran has very poor international relationships because of their shenanigans. It didn't use to be like that, most were against Israel. Today it's the opposite.

>>508196676 (OP)
>penetrate
I'll penetrate your mom ya dumb brit

>>508196676 (OP)
At high speeds, solids are treated as liquids. So the calculation doesnt really apply.

The REAL question is how will destroying a nuclear power plant stop Iran from shelling Israel with conventional missiles?

>>508215845
7 billion people support Iran over Israel.

>>508215982
Kek yeah sure. That's why neighbors helped intercept Iran missiles.

>>508216044
What neighbors, the theocratic absolutist monarchies that are puppets of the US? The people of the ME overwhelmingly support Israel.

best outcome is iran dumping a nuclear payload on israel, who then executes the samson option and nukes the entire of the middle east

>>508197136
>it punches half a kilometer hole in soil, goyim
yeah, right

>>508196676 (OP)
The US has yet to unleash its most terrible weapon on Iran. Black immigration.

>>508198929
>soil is never found that thick anywhere on earth.
alright, but you can equate it to sand
there's no fucking way it would go 500 meters through sand, lmfao. Not even a nuke would

>>508216160
The middle east is mostly in favor of USA today. You have very outdated data. The days of USA is evil in the middle east aren't reality anymore. Only a few oppose nowadays, and some are neutral, like Syria.

>>508196676 (OP)
>They can't go penetrate than a few lengths
I dream of a forum where nobody makes any effort to understand word salad like this, mocking instead the retarded OP at full blast.

>>508196676 (OP)
That's why you add a drill to the tip of the missile you brainlet.

>>508196802
>Why doesn’t Mossad just put a giant pager in fordow
Israel could donate some extra Uranium and hide it in some random machinery near the Iranian stash, so the total amount suddenly becomes critical.

>>508216044
>Kek yeah sure. That's why neighbors helped intercept Iran missiles
America literally promised to pay tjem 2x the cost of missiles.

And yes even those missile crews sided with Iran, why do you think the actions of like 30 nations couldnt stop Irans barrage? They were missing on purpose.

>>508216370
>The middle east is mostly in favor of USA today. You have very outdated data

So Tom Cruise is a liar?

>>508208537
>>508214608
jets can fly at 700 mph but the ice in my cup doesn't shoot through the back of my head when I take a sip like it would if it was shot into my mouth at point-blank range at 700 mph (about 3/4 the speed of a shotgun slug). You should have learned about velocity, acceleration, momentum at least in 5 grade.

>>508213034
>Imagine if Portugal was every single day telling the world we're going to destroy Spain, what would you do?
Stop fucking with them?

>>508196676 (OP)
>They can't go penetrate than a few lengths

What are you saying, mate? This is incomprehensible.

>>508203576
They have to fly a bunch of B2's to bomb the exact same spot successively and run such effective counter AD that no Missile gets a lock. It's going to be pretty obvious that a bird sized object on Radar over Fordow at 40-50k feet going 500mpg might be a B2. The entire thing sounded retarded to me.

>>508200135
Ayetolla ayetolla gimme my petrol dolla

>>508196676 (OP)
We know emperically that bullets go into ballistic's jello many times their own depth.

>>508196676 (OP)
Great, now I have to watch Top Gun: Maverick again to debunk (pun intended) this.

>>508215495
>assuming that is even possible
Not everyone has the accuracy and precision of Russia and Iran. GPS is accurate to a lot less than 1 meter; civilian GPS is just gimped. Hitting within a few meters (or less) of previous bombs would be quite possible.
>deflect
Concrete isn't that dense or hard, not compared to the penetrators. The first stage will blast and excavate a lot of concrete anyway, throwing it out of the crater. Even if there is some backfill, the next bomb would have a much easier time getting through rubble than intact concrete.
>one corridor
Again, each bomb has thousands of pounds of explosives. This is not comprehensible from an everyday perspective. If even one bomb makes it into the facility, the blast will travel through more than a small part of it and will do extensive damage. Even if there are blast doors that can withstand the blast, the bombing will damage sensitive equipment, break power lines, and so on from the force of explosion.

Simply destroying any entrances to the facility would be enough though. What good is a stockpile that's under meters of rubble when you don't control the skies, so any recovery effort would be swiftly bombed?

>>508217488
It is. Only really Iran and his minions actively oppose USA. It used be all against USA. That changed and they cooperate today. Don't believe me, search it.

>>508203268
Hammering a screw or like twisting a paperclip, twist it enough, it gets hot, it breaks....same theory,
>Hypersonic ballistic bunker buster cant penetrate steel beams

>>508196676 (OP)
Yea, mutts claim 600 meters in a mountain ?
Im like ok, buddy.

>>508197136
The only element that has 600 meters of penetration is my dick digging in your mom's pussy.

>>508218956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TriASB-F5UY

educate yourself, faggot. The entire plan is retarded, which tells me it either won't happen or will fail on purpose

>>508196676 (OP)
Of course it's fake, they've been talking about them for days on the fake news on TalmudVision..

Even the GBU-57 can't penetrate an underground complex that has been constructed beneath a mountain. The penetration depth estimates for weapons like GBU-28 / -72 / -57 are based on material calcultions for 5000 PSI concrete only—a single, homogeneous material.
That's not what these mega-fortifications are constructed out of. Layers of *different* materials and armor will deflect the bomb's trajectory and retard its penetrative capability, depth of reach significantly.
In addition, the exact location(s) and dimensions of the centrifuges and nuclear materials within the underground complex is required for a direct and precise hit. The only way to ensure the destruction of Iran's nuclear program is to 1) hit it with a nuclear weapon (or nuclear bunker buster, which doesn't even penetrate deeply beneath surface) or 2) Capture the complex with ground forces.
All of this is a bunch of larping.

>>508220130
correct.

>>508205799
Yes and no, top and bottom, according to AI a bomb explodes and produces more

>>508196676 (OP)
>penetration distance

>>508196676 (OP)
they are attempting to do a dual penetration
first warhead clears a hole second then enters and finishes off
thats why they have 7 B2 spirit deployed in guam already and 6 more are en route to guam from hawaii since the morning

>>508220988
Dual penetration sounds kinda hot, ngl.

>>508197353
>has no objective that requires nukes
ukraine full of bunkers and underground factories

it was core of ussr. Fortress against west. They even have mountain factories.
russia for example is empty place

>>508197276
>
is trump willing to blanket europe in radioactive cesium and iodine depending on where the wind is blowing? i don't think NATO would survive
Stop goy I am cooooming already

>>508219062
>Don't believe my bullshit
>Just google it

>>508199859
Tandem shaped charges are a thing. Not advanced thing

>>508215742
Yea you should, seems like humanity has been trying to reason with them for 4000+ years, I feel the genetic predisposition goes as follows, do something terrible, be forced to hold accountability, won't, get expelled, scitzo rationalization occurs, do it again, oy very why do they hate me, do it again, oy very they always hate me, oy very I guess I can do what I want they hate me regardless, boom over and over, they e evolved down a dead end road, here we are, a perfect circle

>>508199295
Kek

>Send a B-2 flight over Iran
>Drop a salvo of Tungsten Death Needles from an orbital weapons platform
>Chuck some bunker busters down the hole after them
>Deny the space rod stuff (but now Ivan and Chang know)

>>508196676 (OP)
ChatGPT says 20 meters max before concrete is included

>>508196676 (OP)
Sounds like they are ideal against carriers.

>>508196793
nukes are a fake&gay jewish mythos. figures they'd use the fakest scaremongering tactic in the book to attack an enemy nation.

>>508220130
Can you imagine people even mention the thought of using a nuclear weapon against a country that has no nuclear weapons, is not developing nuclear weapons, has no plans on developing them, as proven by them not developing them for over 20 years? And without a single thought of the consequences for the world or the United States. Ziopropaganda is something else.

>>508196676 (OP)
Let's say the bomb can penetrate 40 feet. You just drop 10 of them at the same coordinates to go 400 feet. This sort of thing was done in Lebanon already. Plus they probably soften the target so they become more effective as you drop more of them.

>>508196676 (OP)
That's why you put a nuclear warhead in the bunker buster idiot.

>>508198639
Could I make sponge cake that was ballistic missile impact resistant despite it's lacking compressive strength?

>>508218956
>Not everyone has the accuracy and precision of Russia and Iran
Correct, which is why inferior US tech is not going to cut it.
>Concrete isn't that dense or hard
I'll trust research papers over some random zogbot's posts on /pol/. See the video the other Anon linked and kill yourself.

>>508223143
It would appear that all nukes used in war have been used against countries without nukes.

If it can't be destroyed, perhaps it could rendered inaccessible instead. Not much point in the plant refining anything if no one can get in or out. Maybe they've got the means to survive a long time down there but if it can't be destroyed, it can be cut off and rendered useless.

>>508197136
Ask the LLM how many meters the jet will travel before it starts to lose coherence.

>>508223504
>nuclear bunker buster
The B61 'version' of bunker buster doesn't penetrate more than 20 meters beneath surface, it relies primarily on the warhead explosive force.
If ? they were to use a nuclear bunker buster to take out the underneath-mountain Fordow complex, it would likely involve several GBU-57s "blowing a hole" in a first wave; then, the B61 nuclear would be deployed to follow down the cavity/hole and attempt to destroy the complex with one warhead.
The only way they're going to be able to ensure the Iran nuclear enrichment/weapon program is destroyed or shut down, is to militarily occupy the underground complex. Invade

>>508224589
>rendered inaccessible

See >>508225012
(there's no way to "ensure" that complex is 'rendered inaccessible', especially not solely with air strikes)

>>508219375
Postol made many errors of judgement when he was at the journal Science and Global Security. He resigned from the editorial board in disgrace in 2019. I am not sure he is a credible source, but he sure gets lots of YouTube views.

>>508196676 (OP)
>>508196793

I've been saying that not only is it inevitable, but it is a good thing, that humans eventually use nuclear weapons as conventional weapons of war. This will vastly decrease war time and cause an explosion of nuclear technology innovation. Another good nuclear thing to do is relax all nuclear regulations so that we can start sending nuclear technologies into space to power spaceships, etc. Not to mention localized small nuclear reactors, etc.

>>508222636
>>508222858
what about granite? that's what the mountain is made of.

>>508226844
checked, see my posts above.
The penetration depth estimates for all of the bunker buster munitions are based on a single *homogenous* material: 5000 PSI concrete

Granite has a Mohs hardness of 7 and compression strength of 19K PSI
also this granite is part of the natural geologic stratigraphy embedment
They're not going to "penetrate the mountain" using GBU-57s

>>508205763
Death to America is just a meme.

In their language "Death to X" is the same as "FUCK X".
That's literally just the unique nature of their language.

>>508226563
It will also make cities unviable for being rich targets and promote more scattered living which will require more from individuals and encourage them to develope their skills and talents. Which is great because cities are a fucking disease.

>>508205136
Do you have any pictures or videos of that? An abandoned soviet bunker sounds like something from a movie>>508205209
.

>>508210095
ding ding ding you got it seamus
this is the plan and always has been. it's been so transparently obvious since day one when israel said whoopsie well it turns out we actually couldn't destroy iran's nuclear program all by ourselves. the only question remaining is how complicit orange nigger is. was he in on it or if he's just along for the ride.

>>508204031
Mountain is a rock formation made by tectonic movement, volcanic activity or erosion of the soil

There is no soil on the mountain, barely any.

I hope you see them in the real world someday, they are cool.

>>508227541
>They're not going to "penetrate the mountain" using GBU-57s
That's my opinion as well. I've drilled into granite and granite is not concrete. There's no way you can penetrate even 20m into granite.

>>508202365
the amerimutt shows its final form

>>508196676 (OP)

plus Iran has super-strong concrete covering the base. like 50,000 pounds per square inch strength.

The US is struggling to waddle 4 bunker buster bombs over there, 2 on each plane.

The 4 bombs will probably go down about 50 feet if they all hit the same spot, then it's another 10 days at least for new bunker busters to waddle over to the war theater from USA.

>>508229575
the jet from a shaped charge moves at double the detonation velocity meaning a PBXN shaped charge copper jet is moving at mach 50 thats 35 thousand miles per hour. you dont think a spike of copper moving at 35,000MPH can penetrate 60 meters into rock? are you a facking retarded boy?

>>508226844
I didn't cap that part but it explicitly states its accounting for granite.

>>508229575
>granite is not concrete
Pretty much the answer \thread to all of these topics.

but more broadly it's not about 'muh spec' / 'muh tech', it's about the fucking massive underground complex built beneath a mountain. Simple as
(bunker buster munitions are designed to take out *bunkers*. This isn't a 'bunker' its a vast underground complex)

>>508226844
>>508227541
>>508230857

>>508231170
now calculate how far a 350kg PBXN-114 shaped charge could penetrate

>>508231338
Lol'd

>File: Screenshot_12.png
Interesting calculations but another thing to account for in non-homogenous layer materials, is deflection of the projectile's *path* on its way subsurface.
The bomb is going to have its direction deflected, turned when it strikes into a different density/composition material.

>>508231449
show me where on earth exists a layer of soil 50 meters deep you fucking mongoloid

>>508231449
Among all the back-and-forth, the explanation by rBiD+tRq (e.g. No. 508197136) that the GBU-57 is effectively a tandem penetrator—a small shaped-charge “bug”—that punches a hole and lets the massive follow-through penetrator drive in behind it, is the one that matches publicly-available descriptions of the MOP’s design and test data.

Public sources describe the MOP as using a shaped-charge precursor plus a heavy hardened-steel penetrator warhead (“follow-through” charge) to defeat deep, reinforced-concrete or earth overburdens
cmano-db.com
en.wikipedia.org
.
Simple Newtonian “momentum-in equals momentum-out” approaches (as the OP suggests) ignore the extremely high impact velocities, the hydrodynamic behavior of both penetrator and target, and the controlled sequencing of shaped charge penetrator that make real penetration much deeper than “a few bomb-lengths”
en.wikipedia.org
.
In short, the MOP’s tandem-warhead arrangement and high-velocity kinetic design—rather than the crude 1 × length-times-density model—best explains its roughly 60 m of earth or 18 m of 5 000 psi concrete performance. So the “shaped-charge plus follow-through warhead” description from rBiD+tRq is the correct one.

So how are they going to fly this big heavy bomb in the middle of Iran - 500 km away from the nearest sea - totally undetected?

this is a mission for a Big Boss type, infiltrate and sabotage the facility without need for bombing from high altitude like a pussy.

>>508197353
>Russia has no objective that requires nukes in Ukraine.
And EMP to wipe out all those FPV drones they seem to be having trouble with would be nice

>>508196676 (OP)
Not sure about that.

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>>508196793
Nukes r fake

>>508196676 (OP)
well US moved 8 of B2 right? so you have 16 of them, keep hitting at the same point one after another you might reach the core of the earth at the end

>>508196793
>Trump is enough of a deranged boomer to do it.
lets hope so... LOVE TRUMP GO GO GO

>>508196676 (OP)
>the US has no FUCKING chance of penetrating Fordow with ANY non-nuclear weapon. eat shit
But anon, nukes are also fake

>>508230697
GBU-57 only uses gravity and kinetic energy to penetrate. Not shaped charges.
>>508230857
>I didn't cap that part but it explicitly states its accounting for granite.
Problem is that all this data is classified and these figures could all be BS.

>>508196676 (OP)
a 30K pound shaped charge explosive will penetrate 200 feet and create a large enough hold for a regular explosive to be dropped into to finish the job

>>508196676 (OP)
>a 30,000 pound shaped charge explosive bomb will penetrate and burn a hole through 200 feet of ground or concrete and create a large enough hole for a regular explosive bomb to be dropped into to finish the job

>>508196793
Wrong. They'd need a "rod of God", like a tungsten rod dropped from orbit.

>>508196676 (OP)
Newton's penetration calculations don't adequately account for fracturing or shockwave effects, which is important when dealing with Concrete.

>>508197136
civil engineer here. moving dirt fast, is hard mode. that's all.

>>508200783
>no one wants iran to have nukes
i do

>>508196676 (OP)
a 30,000 pound shaped charge explosive bomb will penetrate and burn a hole through 200 feet of ground or concrete and create a large enough hole for a regular explosive bomb to be dropped into to finish the job

also shaped charges are very easy to make, anyone can make one, so these kind of bombs

here is a demonstration of how far a small shaped charge can go into ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudNqf56AFo

>>508199464
Is like muu starwars.
No, I believe they are going for the let's spec ops drill

>>508204981
Precisely. There is no evidence. Prove it. All grainy videos.

>>508196676 (OP)
Input Parameters:
Projectile Mass (Mp): 13,607.76 kg
Projectile Diameter (dp): 0.762 m
Nose Shape Factor (Np): 1.14
Concrete Compressive Strength (fc'): 34,473,800 Pa (equivalent to 5,000 psi)
Impact Velocity (V_imp): 730 m/s

Intermediate Constant Calculation (C):

The constant C for the NDRC formula is calculated as:
C = 3.8 * 10^-5 * Np * (Mp / (dp * sqrt(fc')))

1. Calculate the square root of concrete strength:
sqrt(fc') = sqrt(34,473,800 Pa) approx 5871.4385 Pa^0.5

2. Calculate the term (Mp / (dp * sqrt(fc'))):
(13,607.76 kg) / (0.762 m * 5871.4385 Pa^0.5) approx 3.0429 kg/(m * Pa^0.5)

3. Calculate the constant C:
C = 3.8 * 10^-5 * 1.14 * 3.0429 approx 0.00013192

Step-by-Step Calculation for Penetration Depth (x):

The formulas used are:
Impact Function (G): G = C * (V_imp / dp)^1.8
Penetration Depth (x): x = dp * (G + 1) (used when G > 1)

1. Calculate the ratio (V_imp / dp):
(730 m/s) / (0.762 m) approx 957.9921 s^-1

2. Calculate (V_imp / dp)^1.8:
(957.9921)^1.8 approx 344,484.0

3. Calculate the Impact Function (G):
G = 0.00013192 * 344,484.0 approx 45.44

4. Calculate the Penetration Depth (x):
Since G approx 45.44 (which is greater than 1), we use the formula x = dp * (G + 1):
x = 0.762 m * (45.44 + 1)
x = 0.762 m * 46.44 approx 35.38 meters

Final Result:

The calculated penetration depth for an impact velocity of 730 m/s is approximately 35.38 meters.

>>508233914
you're wrong.

>>508232787
>>508232222

>>508200416
What if the explosive is not blow up things, but to impulse the tip, could it double the speed?

>>508235808
its impossible for the bomb to freefall at 730 meters per second (mach 2) therefore the mechanism of penetration is a shaped charge

WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS COMING IN IRAN
>The initial battle plan for a new war
>Seymour Hersh

>>508199746
>Ukraine is literally the bread basket of Europe,
What does this mean? I don't see any ukrainian food at my local supermarket.

>>508205733
They will just blame Trump, the Macdonalds will be fine

>>508196793
A tactical nuke on Iran will warrant a tactical nuke in Ukraine.

>>508202110
>so you're going to drop bomb after bomb at the same angle, with centimetre accuracy?
Pretty much. It's not like the b2 can only carry one and it's not like we haven't seen far far less dense objects like empty rocket boosters guided into extremely precise landing zones with the same type of gridfins those things use.

>>508196676 (OP)
This was my first impression when they claimed it could penetrate 200ft of concrete. Concrete shatters more than it moves out of the way. You could probably punch a hole through a slab or two but I can't see it getting 200ft deep in concrete.

>>508199295
Now that's a real doomsday weapon. Unfortunately, we've already set them off in most of our urban areas. They create completely unlivable deserts right in the heart of your cities - literally square miles of city blocks where you can't be outside for any length of time due to the risk of death from the fallout.

>>508200783
asmongolstein watcher ignored

>>508236199
Are you dumb?

Freefall bombs can easily exceed Mach 2.

A stated speed for GBU-57 is 730m/s. I chose the highest I could find.

Anyway, even if the velocity was lower. Redo the calculations?
>>508235808

Maybe that would match the 18m of 5000psi concrete stated elsewhere.

Your shaped charge explanation is dumb. My calculations are correct. Perhaps the velocity is incorrect though.

>>508234554
There are many videos of nukes going off but not a single video of an actual 30,000 lb bunker buster in action.

>>508196676 (OP)
What if, hear me out.
They crash a plane into the building next to the bunker.

>>508237332
you're mixing up miles per hour and meters per second.

it falls at 730 miles per hour which is 430 meters per second. redo your calculations

>>508237638
guaranteed

>>508237985
NO.

You think I'm that dumb?

I knew what I meant when I put 730m/s.

>>508237985
730mph isn't even 430m/s by the way... It's about 326ish....