Are there any atheists on /pol/? - /pol/ (#508491192) [Archived: 770 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: gd8zfqIYUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:09:36 PM No.508491192
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What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
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Anonymous ID: gBcWXteWUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:12:40 PM No.508491514
i came to the conclusion thay god did not exist because all advocates for god insisted on pushing a dungeons and dragons conception of god which was obviously untrue.
i had to figure out on my own, without the help of payed advocates or the self obligated guardians of our culture, what the metaphors were really about. and i think i did and at least an atheist would probably call me a beleiver.
Anonymous ID: IRFtj5vy
6/23/2025, 9:15:08 PM No.508491809
I'm too smart to be an atheist.
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Anonymous ID: SkfA0APsUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:16:32 PM No.508491963
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>>508491192 (OP)
I am an dystheist. Is that close enough?
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Anonymous ID: hOptsifGUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:17:43 PM No.508492106
>>508491192 (OP)
I’m a black Israelite who believe Israel will fall for being fake Jews brothers and sisters
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Anonymous ID: gd8zfqIYUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:19:22 PM No.508492275
>>508491963
Had to google that, lol
Interesting
Anonymous ID: UNFR1uqPUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:22:00 PM No.508492554
>>508491192 (OP)
As I got older the bible sounded more and more like something ancient desert people made up. The more I looked into it, I realized the jewish religion was originally polytheistic, then henotheistic which Moses used to maintain power, eventually they retconned everything into monotheism and merged El/Yahweh to unite the different tribes in their conquest of Canaan. Christianity was a fucking meme that kneecapped Europe for a thousand years.
Anonymous ID: kf8Yjz0tLithuania
6/23/2025, 9:23:27 PM No.508492708
>>508491192 (OP)
there's really no such thing as atheism, everyone worships some kind of god, but that god isn't always named. We live in an age of materialism, so many people worship Plutus and Hermes today
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Anonymous ID: ZHKZaduZUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:27:22 PM No.508493085
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>>508491192 (OP)
I was already an atheist from a young age due to my experience with religion just being around scared and emotionally stunted adults coping with their own mortality and inability to embrace change. Most of my family was Christian in one way or another, and the more I read and researched, the more it just seemed like nonsense. Talked to priests, clerics, etc etc etc over the years and nothing ever convinced me that there was any greater intelligence or divine intervention. I think there's tons of holes in most scientific theories, before anyone jumps at me about that but I don't think that spirituality or the divine closes the gap on any of that either.
Five years ago, I knew for sure. Not going to type it all out here, but I did a large mushroom dose, and it just kind of clicked, how religious thinking starts, I just sort of "got it." There's no god or intelligent creation or any of that, and I'll never belive that there are, but I can understand how we arrived at that conclusion, with hundereds or more variants on the concept. All that said, I think out of all the attempts to explain the human experience/cosmos/energy/what the fuck ever, Gnosticism seems like the one that's closest to whatever the "truth" is.
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Anonymous ID: 6vKYu/U/Germany
6/23/2025, 9:28:44 PM No.508493224
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>>508491192 (OP)
The only being worthy of worship is the superior force of the human spirit: poets, heroes, inventors, scientists, and artists, and all those who, through their creative genius or sacrifice, transcend the ordinary limits of labor and production to inspire and guide their nation toward its highest ideals.
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Anonymous ID: Eh5nNZLvUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:35:20 PM No.508493846
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
difficult to explain, but over the years I simply stopped seeing good evidence for belief. I transitioned as child thinking that the world was a miracle and orchestrated by the Creator, to seeing the world as total chaos, and random tragedies that humans had to fight everyday for a modicum of control. I don't see any evidence of the supernatural at all, and I don't feel we are "souls carrying a corpse" anymore, but simply biological machines, just as computers are silicon machines

>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
Idk. many atheists want to evangelize atheism, but I see no point. maybe most people need the yoke of religion to act even somewhat morally. Without promises of heaven and threats of hell, most people would never be Stoic and be good to live "in accordance with nature". That is how I conduct myself, but that is only me and a handful of atheists, the rest have a different nature
Anonymous ID: zluo6VcHUnited Kingdom
6/23/2025, 9:43:10 PM No.508494659
>>508491192 (OP)
I have a generally positive view of religion as a unifier and driver of civilisation but I'm too jaded to believe anymore, although I'd like to. I was fairly religious when I was younger and it was very comforting feeling, but you can't just meme yourself back into believing again unfortunately, I've done a bit of shopping around to see if anything takes but nothing really has yet.

I don't really believe the content of a religion matters as much as the people who follow it, Whites made Christianity great and whether it's destined to fade and be replaced or be restructured as it has in the past to reinvigorate European's faith I'm certain whatever comes next will awaken the warrior spirit of the Roman Legionaries, Frankish Crusaders, and Spanish Conquistadors again.

If I still believe in anything it's the greatness of our people.
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Anonymous ID: mr0xMzZ6United States
6/23/2025, 9:50:25 PM No.508495431
>>508494659
Similar boat. I’m just unconvinced in all the magic spiritual bullshit, but I think organized religion is overall a good thing, especially a lot of modern protestant Christianity
>church serves as a countervailing power to both the state and major monetary powers
>operates for the common good rather than profit or control
>source of community and shared values like “love thy neighbor”, “the meek shall inherit the earth”, etc
>engages in good works and charity
>participation is totally voluntary, affiliation is based on your sharing of beliefs rather than arbitrary geographical boundaries
>free of charge, you give what you can

Churches are legit. Honestly I’d try to make my career as a pastor if not for the whole “I don’t actually believe this shit” thing, because it seems like deeply fulfilling work. But my respect for it keeps me from infiltrating it via falsified beliefs.

I actually kind of think the secular humanists got it right, at least conceptually. Atheism needs churches. Not to preach atheism, but to promote good moral values and support their communities without requiring the harry potter shit as the mental price of admission.
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Anonymous ID: AmfIwCwJUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:52:25 PM No.508495625
>>508491192 (OP)
Raised atheist and all the religions just seem like retarded ritualistic cope about reality. I couldn't pretend to believe in something that has no basis on reality.
Anonymous ID: kfD516gkUnited States
6/23/2025, 9:57:08 PM No.508496116
>>508491192 (OP)
There's no evidence for god.

Christians - Copetards, and useful idiots but seem decent. Good community values.

Islam - Radical savages and violent extremists. Too dogmatic.

Hindis - conniving conmen. Dumbest of the 3 by far.
Anonymous ID: MC8ILByxUnited Kingdom
6/23/2025, 9:58:00 PM No.508496216
It does not necessitate there being any.
Anonymous ID: spOpfZyRLithuania
6/23/2025, 9:58:35 PM No.508496278
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
Watching George Carlina and Christopher Hitchens youtube videos. Also thinking about it and reading the bible.
>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
I think they're all brainwashed.
Anonymous ID: spOpfZyRLithuania
6/23/2025, 9:59:15 PM No.508496348
>>508492708
Wrong. I don't worship any kind of god, therefore disproving your thesis.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:03:28 PM No.508496786
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
I lack belief because of the insufficient evidence to convince me beyond a reasonable doubt
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Anonymous ID: wZvK6ALKUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:05:35 PM No.508497013
>>508491192 (OP)
Atheist from birth, despite constantly getting Bible stories books from the grandparents. I don't see how anyone can believe in a particular religion after learning anything about history, the wide world, and the universe. There have been so many religions to choose from, how could any of them be the One True one to believe in?
Anonymous ID: mSMs/xbRUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:07:44 PM No.508497209
>>508492708
>golem equates an omni deity that created everything to liking things
I can't believe things like you exist.
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Anonymous ID: wZvK6ALKUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:09:16 PM No.508497382
>>508495431
>Atheism needs churches.
Universities.

I was also very attracted to the Consents that were in "Anathem". Like monasteries for rationality and deep time, recognizing that secular civilization is fleeting.
Anonymous ID: 8DfiEPZCUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:15:45 PM No.508498067
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>>508493224
Posts stupid Soviet bull shit….hans u ok?
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Anonymous ID: P2meoz9lUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:21:03 PM No.508498615
>>508491192 (OP)
I am, it helps me to hate Jews and Israel even more!
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:23:32 PM No.508498842
>>508496786
aren't you the "bacteria are atheist" guy?
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Anonymous ID: jy2TcWGDUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:27:52 PM No.508499304
>>508491192 (OP)
I stopped believing after concluding there is no proof of a divine being that is interested in what men do.
Anonymous ID: jy2TcWGDUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:29:12 PM No.508499436
>>508492708
Sorry, homeboy. I don't worship anyone or anything.
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Anonymous ID: l7rj/2u7New Zealand
6/23/2025, 10:30:43 PM No.508499598
>>508491192 (OP)
Non existence is the default position and I have yet to encounter a compelling argument for the existence of any particular god
Anonymous ID: YL3/91OAFrance
6/23/2025, 10:30:54 PM No.508499624
>>508491192 (OP)
There is no God under the traditional definition of the tri-omni God. The only "gods" out there are clearly not in favor of mankind's interests. They are solely interested in your complete submission and that you sell your soul to them.
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
Ten year studies of biblical and islamic scriptures, plus realizing this world's parameters are just far too stupid, even for the concept of a "test".
>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
None are more deceived than those who think they know the ultimate truth, and those who call evil good and good evil.
Anonymous ID: vm+GWCyDCanada
6/23/2025, 10:32:51 PM No.508499841
>>508491192 (OP)
Atheist here. I believe extra-dimensional intelligence are influencing our material existence. All religions are just various ways of dealing withthem
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Anonymous ID: KdjSy4tgUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:33:08 PM No.508499875
Most atheists have learned to keep it to themselves once that faggot shoved a banana up his ass.
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Anonymous ID: +LuNCWmcUnited States
6/23/2025, 10:34:20 PM No.508499997
>>508491192 (OP)
No evidence. That simple.
There could be some creator or higher purpose to existence, but whatever it is, I'm confident it has nothing to do with flimsy anthropocentric human religions.
Anonymous ID: zluo6VcHUnited Kingdom
6/23/2025, 10:38:43 PM No.508500482
>>508499875
I think a lot of the edgy internet atheists of that stripe ended up returning to Christianity out of embarrassment for their past behaviour.
Anonymous ID: kIYKoEFFGermany
6/23/2025, 10:48:02 PM No.508501485
>>508491192 (OP)
> What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
Seems like common sense, at least in this day and age, that none of the major religions are correct in their description of god(s). All descriptions of a god that are compatible with observation of the physical world are inconsequential, i.e. whatever god possibly exists has no will and/or can not be influenced by any knowable behavior.

> What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
Are they though? These are identities more than anything. I will side with Christians against Islam any day of the week. I have no opinion on Hinduism.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:01:36 PM No.508502937
>>508498842
Huh?
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:03:46 PM No.508503146
>>508502937
in another thread you said babies were atheist and then said ants were atheist and in the end you even said it was possible for bacteria to be atheist
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:04:46 PM No.508503238
>>508503146
Everyone is born am atheist. Bacteria and animals are irrelevant
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Anonymous ID: qJnMXoHBUnited Kingdom
6/23/2025, 11:04:47 PM No.508503239
>>508491192 (OP)
I have absolutely 0 idea why people would subscribe to 0AD mystery cults. It really bewwilders me.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:06:36 PM No.508503399
>>508503238
>Everyone is born am atheist
how?
>Bacteria and animals are irrelevant
why?
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:08:30 PM No.508503567
>>508503399
>>Everyone is born am atheist
>how?
They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge until taught
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:10:39 PM No.508503749
>>508503567
>atheism is lack of knowledge in God or gods
ok
>Bacteria and animals are irrelevant
why?
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:11:49 PM No.508503848
>>508503749
>>Bacteria and animals are irrelevant
>why?
I answered that above.
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Anonymous ID: WKN0vtV/United States
6/23/2025, 11:12:52 PM No.508503951
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?

I became an Atheist because I have concluded that human perception is so flawed that there is no possible way that our interpretation of god can be real. I am not anti-Christianity, per se. I am not anti-religion either. It's just that I think people are wrong and it doesn't matter how many ceremonial hats or clothes you wear, you are not speaking to god and you are not special. The more glib approach to religion is that it has been hijacked by Jews to lead us into war against one another in their favor. So, that also makes me question the major religious movements in America. Most of the mega pastors are complete bullshit artists who never have and never will see or hear the voice of god. Usually, they are plied with drugs, sex, alcohol and other debauchery to keep them doing Israel's bidding. Islam seems more entertaining as a religion, I have to admit. Hinduism seems ridiculous. I'm a complete germaphobe, too, so the idea of being around other people who have so many diseases is completely out of the question.
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:13:15 PM No.508503987
>>508503848
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge until taught
>I answered that above.
where
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:15:00 PM No.508504132
>>508503987
Learn some nuance my man
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Anonymous ID: NL+uo4PqUnited Kingdom
6/23/2025, 11:16:32 PM No.508504271
>>508491192 (OP)
I completely ignored all literature and refused to explore spiritual matters

Therefore I have resigned that there is no man on a cloud, I can see clouds.

I am a smart
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:18:46 PM No.508504488
>>508504132
>Learn some nuance my man
ok
>Bacteria and animals are irrelevant
why?
>I answered that above.
where?
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Anonymous ID: dj1VehJHUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:19:36 PM No.508504577
>>508504488
Lol somebody woke up and felt like being an obnoxious faggot today, huh?
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:20:26 PM No.508504654
>>508504488
>why?
>>508503567
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge
>>508504488
>where?
>>508503567
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge


Hope this helps :^)
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Anonymous ID: 6vKYu/U/Germany
6/23/2025, 11:20:47 PM No.508504678
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>>508498067
I like monumentalism
Anonymous ID: 5Xj00pwHUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:21:05 PM No.508504715
I'm not an atheist anymore but there's obviously no Christian type God, it's just literally ridiculous and childish from a logical standpoint

Most people really aren't intelligent enough to think about things in any analytical or logical ways at all, so here you are.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:21:36 PM No.508504765
>>508504654
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge
so animals and bacteria are atheist?
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Anonymous ID: WorZza98United Kingdom
6/23/2025, 11:22:12 PM No.508504825
>>508491192 (OP)
2000 years of failure to fix anything is evidence of falsehood.
Too many rules and laws conveniently benefit "priests"
Utter nonsense and stupid shit
Only a retard thinks is true.
All religious people got into it from birth, very rare is the person who becomes religious.
100000000000 gods, all different, all true, all real, sure bro
Anonymous ID: dj1VehJHUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:23:09 PM No.508504932
>>508504715
Yes, the concept of a non-intervening higher power isn't all that illogical, but thinking the creator of everything is reading the thoughts of billions of people at all times to ensure they love and believe in him in earnest is insane.
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Anonymous ID: guhcHvYDGermany
6/23/2025, 11:24:05 PM No.508505029
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>>508491192 (OP)
Yes, many atheists and jews here, difficult to tell the difference, they are basically the same thing. You just need to start a thread about Jesus Christ and there they are all over your thread seething at everything you say with sealed eyes and ears.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:25:09 PM No.508505127
>>508504765
I'll tell you whay. What you can find a bacteria and/or an animal who can tell what the difference between theism and atheism is then you'll have your answer

Good luck :^)
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:25:51 PM No.508505176
>>508505127
>I'll tell you whay. What
I'll tell you what*. If*
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:26:14 PM No.508505204
>>508505127
>I'll tell you whay. What you can find a bacteria and/or an animal who can tell what the difference between theism and atheism is then you'll have your answer
>Good luck :^)
you already answered. you said animals and bacteria are atheist, again.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:27:40 PM No.508505336
>>508505204
>you said animals and bacteria are atheist
I said they are irrelevant. And I've explained why. If you can't understand that then it's skill issue and a you problem
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:30:20 PM No.508505565
>>508505336
>I said they are irrelevant. And I've explained why. If you can't understand that then it's skill issue and a you problem
you did not explain why they are irrelevant. a baby is an atheist in the same way an animal or a bacteria is an atheist. the baby has no knowledge of God or gods and is incapable of understanding said knowledge which means the baby is atheist by your definition. neither do animals or bacteria, therefor per your explanation, they are also atheist.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:33:43 PM No.508505870
>>508505565
>you did not explain why they are irrelevant.
One more time
>>508503567
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge
Which separates them from baby humans because baby humans grow up and learn about religion and philosophy and then can make the conscious choice which path to follow

Seriously bro, this isn't hard but you want to keep trying to pilpul for a gotcha. I thought kikes do stuff like that?
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Anonymous ID: /Zpeop3aUnited Kingdom
6/23/2025, 11:38:49 PM No.508506323
>>508491192 (OP)
What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
>be me, 5 yrs old
>dragged to a wedding
>weird dude in dress says we're in the presence of God
>look around for this God dude
>nobody there
>keeps banging on about this God dude
>"Mummy, which one is god?"
>"Shut up"
>"I can't see him Mummy"
>"Shut up, people are starting to look"
>Shrug
>Never see this God dude. Think it's weird why Mum could not point him out
>Grow up some more
>Nobody can point out Santa either, it's clear everyone is lying
>People still lying about God like he's some sort of Santa
>Why are people such fucking liars?
>Get even older
>Can ask pertinent questions now and Mum can't tell me to shut up anymore
>Holy fuck, not only are these idiots lying, they're lying to themselves?
>Wow, it's embarrassing the shit they come out with to prop up their beliefs
>Get to 6th Form (Age 16-18). Teacher asks "Who believes in God"
>29 in class, 1 hand goes up. It's Mohammed
>"No Christians?"
>Shakes of head
>"Who is atheist?"
>"28 hands go up"
>"There's this thing called agnostic *describes agnostics as if we didn't know*. Who is agnostic?"
>Zero hands
>"Who is atheist?"
>"28 hands"
>pikachu.jpg
>Books 5 Christians in to talk to us
>Each introduces themselves
>"I was an alcoholic then I found Jesus...."
>Repeat x4, literally every single one
>Mate raises hand "Don't you all think you just swapped one drug for another?"
>Class bursts out laughing
>One hour of showing Christians how stupid they are
>They leave, utter failures

Why the fuck does anyone believe? Five year old me figured out it was bullshit.
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Anonymous ID: kfD516gkUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:39:30 PM No.508506385
>>508504715
How is it any illogical than your own belief? Both are baseless conjecture
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Anonymous ID: dj1VehJHUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:39:39 PM No.508506402
>>508505565
Human spirituality isn't relevant to animals you retard.
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Anonymous ID: 5Xj00pwHUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:40:01 PM No.508506441
>>508504932
A god level being requiring fealty or else it punishes you for eternity? It's just nonsense. I'm not an atheist now as I believe there's probably some kind of great spiritual oneness to the universe. But it's not something we can understand only something we can work towards through what we know inherently is good. In this way religions like Christianity are still useful

But the fealty and punishment and etc are simply to control low IQ, uneducated people without access to technology. Period. People will view this no other way in 200 years, Yahweh and El will be as Zeus and Jove.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:42:08 PM No.508506629
>>508505870
>baby humans
when does it become a human?
>grow up
what if it doesn't
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Anonymous ID: dj1VehJHUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:46:07 PM No.508507004
>>508506441
Using religion to instill a universal morality would be fine, so long as the deity in question embodies those ideals and the god of Abraham does not. Unfortunately it's what we're stuck with and a lot of people need that spiritual guidance to be decent human beings.
The inherent narcissism required by all parties involved to believe in that framework is something that I just can't look past anymore.
Anonymous ID: GSUV/iVFBosnia and Herzegovina
6/23/2025, 11:48:02 PM No.508507170
Man fuck those muslims I have to live with, they are despicable and disgusting.
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:51:29 PM No.508507485
>>508505870
are sperm cells atheist? are zygotes atheist?
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Anonymous ID: J83PeQq2United States
6/23/2025, 11:54:13 PM No.508507715
>>508491192 (OP)
> What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
Cancer and Leukemia in children. What kind of God gives cancer to children? Not one worth worshipping even if it was real.
Also, if god is real, then why is there so much suffering in nature without even including people? What did a deer with rabies, or a deformed lion cub ever do to offend god?
I could go on, but there is no need. There cannot possibly be a loving god behind this fucked up world.
Anonymous ID: Jp7UoEQyUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:57:21 PM No.508507986
Who hurt this guy talking about the religiosity of sperm?
Anonymous ID: XX4z7wSTCanada
6/23/2025, 11:57:50 PM No.508508032
>>508491192 (OP)
Ex-Muslim here.

Basically I started doubting as soon as I heard the story of Noah’s ark. As a 7 year old, it was absurd to me, so I just tried to suppress thinking about it. It was very weird to me how none of the adults questioned that absurd story. I stayed away from questioning the faith until I was 25. We immigrated to Canada since I was 13, and the idea of all my (white) friends were going to hell for not believing was starting to become very unjust and absurd. All my friends were atheists in college and we kinda admitted that we don’t really know what to believe in. College was also the place where I met some rabid christcucks, the kind that would spill Palestinian blood for Jews, I thought it was weird as fuck. My ex-gf was also a christcuck but of the catholic variety, not evangelical. She was a whore basically. So my impression of christcucks is that they are even more unhinged than Muslims, and it’s always the trashy heroine addicts that convert to Christianity, kind of like the BDSM of religions.

Later when I hit 25 I started studying religion and atheism, mainly Christianity, it was just fucking absurd. There is more evidence that the events in the bible did not happen, than there was evidence of things it claimed actually happened. Suddenly almost every single story (besides Noah’s ark) was also bullshit and absurd.
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Anonymous ID: gd8zfqIYUnited States
6/23/2025, 11:58:53 PM No.508508128
>>508508032
I’m ex muslim too
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Anonymous ID: 6pey8eyVCanada
6/23/2025, 11:59:17 PM No.508508161
>>508493085
i have never done a serious drug, for me God was an intellectual idea, im trying to prove a person made the world, and that worlds like this one can't happen naturally, as it is too unlikely.

the reason being unlikely matters, is because even if you had infinite budget of chance in an infinite multiverse, simpler universes that contain life are more common than complex ones, and if all that is being selected for is conscious experience, then we should expect to be the simplest conscious observer that can possibly exist, as it is far more unlikely to not be that.
We (and our universe) is, of course, the farthest thing from the simplest most common kind of observer universe, meaning it would be absurd to think we are actually in that multiverse. It would be like thinking we are in the world where a man got 10 royal flushes in a row, instead of thinking we are in the world where he is cheating. Even in a multiverse, there are far more worlds where he is cheating than where he is telling the truth.

For example, imagine a world where every square inch of space if perfect for life, and so is full of conscious observers; or you can imagine a mostly broken world, that just so happens to form a physical brain like thing for some moments enough to cause a single conscious observation, before breaking again. Given the share number of broken universes compared to orderly ones, this would probably comprise an absolute majority of all life anywhere in a multiverse, so why aren't we one of these observers? A well balanced world is the exact opposite of what we should expect to see come about by chance; So so much for not needing miracles, you need a miracle of chance just as much as we need a miracle of God.

Atheists rely on cope theories to fill gaps in their knowledge every bit as much as christians do, everyone uses temporary explanations until they find the real answer. This isn't some idiot superstition, there's legitimate reason to suppose God exists.
Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:01:33 AM No.508508352
>>508491192 (OP)
Yes. Common sense and empiricism. I just can't force my brain to believe any bullshit I can't actually observe.
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Anonymous ID: 6pey8eyVCanada
6/24/2025, 12:02:12 AM No.508508411
>>508508352
are you a solipsist?
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Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:03:20 AM No.508508510
>>508508411
no, I am perfectly aware that everyone has a different perspective and their own set of feelings
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Anonymous ID: XX4z7wSTCanada
6/24/2025, 12:04:57 AM No.508508645
>>508508128
It’s a much healthier life style. As you grow old you will see all the ways Islam damaged you. Like waking up early for dawn prayers then going back to sleep. You enduring epigenetic damage just to pray like that.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:06:58 AM No.508508838
>>508506402
when does a "baby" become a "human" and therefor an "atheist"?
Anonymous ID: wcRptb40United Kingdom
6/24/2025, 12:09:47 AM No.508509151
>>508491192 (OP)
> What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods
Rejecting god does not require any special justification beyond how one would reject any other piece of clearly made up fiction.
Anonymous ID: 6pey8eyVCanada
6/24/2025, 12:11:26 AM No.508509334
>>508508510
i say this cuz like... if you are a materialist, you literally exclusively believe in things that are invisible and cannot be confirmed to exist, and think your conscious experience (which is the only thing that self evidently exists) is an illusion that doesn't actually meaningfully really exist. ie no souls or anything.

like... if thats what you believe in, you are literally the opposite of "i believe in what I can see", you believe exclusivly in the existence of what cannot even in principle self-evidently be confirmed to exist. Mental experience is self evidently there, so Idealists believe in what they can see, they deny the existence of non-mental invisible objects like external worlds, and construct their world out of the self-evident stuff. Its kind of like videogames constructs a world upon a screen; except in our case our screen is our mind. There's nothing behind the screen that actually exists, its just mental stuff moving around to make a virtual world designed by God. Thats what happens when you actually only believe in what can be seen, as everything in that worldview is a mentally verifiable object.
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Anonymous ID: wcRptb40United Kingdom
6/24/2025, 12:12:05 AM No.508509411
>>508492708
Material things that actually exist are not gods.
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Anonymous ID: XpFYyC+NUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:12:53 AM No.508509497
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
I think it's intuitively rather obvious.
What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
I think the people who ascribe to those religions are stupid.
Anonymous ID: 6pey8eyVCanada
6/24/2025, 12:14:29 AM No.508509677
>>508492708
i used to think like that, but i'd rather think humanity didn't abandon God for some other God. Rather, they simply abandoned God for no one, because no other God is good enough, we just thought he was just too good to be true. I know its not really the case, but its nice to think it.
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Anonymous ID: uxlweSJqPoland
6/24/2025, 12:14:49 AM No.508509711
Principia_0
Principia_0
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>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
The fact that there is so many different, incompatible religions and believes makes you realize that none of them hold any truth. "they all are right, just different perspectives on the same" is just a mental gymnastic that falls short as soon as you start including polytheistic and animistic religions along with their dogmas. The only common aspect is that they all are believes, but that's literally the initial criteria for what makes a religion. Everything points to the fact that all these believes are just fairy tales that people told each other to explain gaps in their knowledge.

>Christianity
Christianity is fine, good morals and quite flexible so it can suit various people from various cultures. Catholicism seems to be especially progressive, trying to find a way to coexist with science and modern society, at the cost of losing some virtues and believes. Orthodox's seriousness is respectable too.
>Islam
Dunno about these different kinds of islam. Seems to be a religion of savages and retards. Probably more hurtful than helpful for an average believer.
>Hinduism
Buddhism seems pretty based and interesting, but I don't know much about Hinduism.

But these 3 believes are pretty boring imo. I find animistic religions much more interesting. I always really liked Greek mythology, how they associated gods with specific places, phenomena or abstract concepts. Nowadays I also find myself reading on Shinto because weeb, but it's the same kind of deal with their 8 millions of kami. Even a human can make a self-aware god, you just have to wait 100 years for a hand made object to get a tsukumogami.
Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:17:49 AM No.508510031
>>508509334
I can observe a different person's perspective through the lens of empiricism. They have the same organs, the same neurotransmitters wiring their brain and similar signals going through them and the arrangement of those neurotransmitters are decided by their genome and their genome is the product of insane amounts of evolutionary pressure. I can understand that I'm not the only flesh and blood creature and my perspective is the product of signals that are not unique to me.

I don't need anything else. I can deal with the bleakness of it.
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Anonymous ID: ClQx+R5wCanada
6/24/2025, 12:18:12 AM No.508510073
Everyone lives for something. Whatever that something is for you is your "god".
Everyone believes something. You may lie to save your life, but you will never stop believing.
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Anonymous ID: PG8mRMX/Canada
6/24/2025, 12:20:41 AM No.508510324
>>508491192 (OP)
>no one has been able to show evidence for unicorns
>why are you an aunicornist?
Same reasoning for your gods/goddesses. No one has actual evidence.
All the philosophical arguments for god are babby tier. To the point that fucking youtubers are able to defeat them with no formal philosophy education.
If we want to really get into it, most god-concepts are incoherent anyways. "It's an immaterial mind, that's outside of spacetime, and it's all-powerful and all-knowing, and maybe some other things like all-loving and everywhere but maybe not". Like what the fuck does that even mean? It's just cope of thinking that gods lived on mountains, until we climbed them, and saw no gods. Then thinking that gods lived in the sky, until we searched the sky, and found no gods. So people just removed the god-concept from the interactable reality, to have an unfalsifiable way to feel like you can't lose. It's pure cope.
The eastern religions/gods are equally as nonsensical too.
Anonymous ID: PG8mRMX/Canada
6/24/2025, 12:22:38 AM No.508510546
>>508510073
>Whatever that something is for you is your "god".
That's a stupid definition of "god". if I live to masturbate my dick, no one thinks of that as a "god", as we already have a word for it.
Anonymous ID: ydKrG9FZ
6/24/2025, 12:26:41 AM No.508510981
>>508491192 (OP)
god is coping mechanism towards death
life is will to power
as long as you have power as long as you're the best you gonna escape death
cope
you want to be that god you talk about
it's projection of conscience
"God" issue is a power fantasy a coping mechanism towards death a psychosociological issue
that's it
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:28:45 AM No.508511215
>>508506629
>pilpulling
Have a nice day
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:29:17 AM No.508511273
>>508507485
Something for you to think about I guess lol
Anonymous ID: ydKrG9FZ
6/24/2025, 12:29:37 AM No.508511320
>>508491192 (OP)
oh also fuck islam and hinduism too why not
but mostly islam
islam is fucking cancer on this world
i loathe all arab culture and heritage
christianity i'm biased cause of anthropological reasons sure but i feel you can build some civilization on it
and btw despite being some fucking horrible book the bible is quite amazing all considered i think
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:29:53 AM No.508511351
>>508511215
>pilpulling
>Have a nice day
it's a shame you have no logical foundation for your opinions.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:30:44 AM No.508511450
>>508511351
I do and I gave them. You are desperate for a gotcha that you keep splitting hairs
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:30:52 AM No.508511464
>>508496348
>>508497209
>>508499436
>>508509411
you guys aren't even trying to understand. gods are not some mythological beings. the lithuanian has a higher level of thinking than all of you, hope you see that some day.

>>508509677
you're just saying they turned into self-worship, which is just self-deification
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:31:24 AM No.508511506
>>508511450
>babies are atheist because they are human
when does the baby become a human?
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:32:20 AM No.508511602
>>508511506
When is it not a human?
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:33:45 AM No.508511749
>>508496786
would you agree that the physical universe has a logical system governing it which it is ontologically dependent on?
where does this logic come from? what even IS logic?
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Anonymous ID: /8/9NO/eUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:34:01 AM No.508511777
christgolemry
christgolemry
md5: 2f568f129305ea87ef60759381e954f4🔍
>>508491192 (OP)
christgolemry and islam (a sect of christgolemry) are golem religions that have destroyed ethnic religions throughout the world in order to spread the elohim of israel.
saul was a student of rabban gamaliel.
abdallah ibn salam was a jewish rabbi that converted to islam and participated with muhammad in the conquest of syria.
Anonymous ID: hqlcwdEnCanada
6/24/2025, 12:34:49 AM No.508511860
>>508491192 (OP)
if god exists then he is cruel
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Anonymous ID: 5hNfh3FiUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:35:29 AM No.508511938
>>508491192 (OP)
of course. religion is dumb.
Anonymous ID: t8y5pv0zUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:35:40 AM No.508511963
family
family
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>>508491192 (OP)

I believe in god, but I don't believe in anything else. What's that called? Like there's only mind and god up everything just to forget that he's alone and always will be

Just basic logic, because 1 = 1, so either you're god or you're god's imagination, if you were every equal to god then you're looking in a mirror, if you are beneath God it's just something he's doing to be entertained
Anonymous ID: mzNzD7mcChile
6/24/2025, 12:35:44 AM No.508511968
>>508511749
Logical chain of events

1, 2 etc

So if you realize that those who can't stop cause a logical pattern
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:35:48 AM No.508511973
>>508511860
no, we're cruel. stop blaming God for our bullshit
Anonymous ID: dCm+ZFWb
6/24/2025, 12:36:38 AM No.508512060
1750019619473773
1750019619473773
md5: 8bb60ca748d1a821a922c3190cd2aebd🔍
>>508491192 (OP)
I'm an atheist. It's pretty obvious there's no God in the way religions present it. Does that mean I think religion is back and should be abolished? Fuck no! There are a ridiculous number of stupid people on this planet. Billions of them are below average IQ. Billions are little more than mindless beasts. They're selfish, ignorant, aggressive, short term thinkers, controlled by their base urges, and society would collapse if they were in power. But they're still human and still useful. Instilling into them virtues, and proper ways to act is fantastic. Of course, they need the fear of an ever-present, invisible authority to monitor them with threat of everlasting hellfire damnation for not following the rules. And it was a great idea. They stop breeding like rabbits, stop robbing and killing their neighbors, minimize drug use, act proper and civil towards each other, create a family with a single person and look after their offspring, etc. Society was genuinely way better when everyone was pretending religion is real rather than the degeneracy that's come from atheism becoming the norm.
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:36:51 AM No.508512077
>>508511968
yes but where does that arise out of? why does 2 follow 1? why isn't it 2,3,4,35,23,1?
Anonymous ID: WIKW0CfiUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:37:09 AM No.508512117
Man I love watching people use the logic that God gave them to disprove God.
Man I really love when people try to bind God to the logic that he created.
Man I really really love when people put the blame of mans free will on God.
Man I really really really love when people think they know better than Gods plan
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Anonymous ID: 6pey8eyVCanada
6/24/2025, 12:37:15 AM No.508512127
>>508510031
i never understand the materialist position on this. and I don't say this as a christian, like i could have been an atheist and I just don't get it. How can anyone not think of mental experience as not a real thing that actually exists? like... if you're having an experience, it must exist, you can't be "having" something that doesn't exist. to have it, means it exists, It can't be an illusion, experience in it of itself has to be real as some kind of actual substance. And to deny its substantial existence is clearly cart before the horse, you wouldn't even know there was a world at all if you didn't experience it through mental substances first.

and like... if mental stuff is actually just a kind of physical stuff (which I don't think makes much sense if you really think about it), what's the point in experience even existing? if its physical, its probably energetically expensive, and the same task can be done by something that doesn't experience anything at all, so there's just no point in making experience exist to cause things things in this convoluted dual system. Like both systems need to be made, you need to shape the mental stuff to make everything you experience, and thats difficult software, and then have the mechanical side do it anyways, without the mental stuff even causing anything, because all that really matters is computation and that can be done non-mentally. idk just doesn't make sense to me evolutionarily.

i think mental stuff exists, and its a different kind of thing than physical, because I actually pay attention to what mental experience is actually like, and draw conclusions from there. Personally, i don't see any reason to suppose non-mental stuff exists, if making a simulation out of mental stuff explains things very exactly, precisely and directly, with way less suppositions. If you simulate a mental screen, and you can make every single thing that you are entirely, you don't need anything more. so why suppose more?
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:37:36 AM No.508512167
>>508511749
>would you agree that the physical universe has a logical system governing it
Logical as far as we understand it. And our understanding is changing which changes the logic
>where does this logic come from?
Well it at least takes a mind to understand logic and a mind is represented by a physical brain.
>what even IS logic?
From my own words, a system of workable scenarios and outcomes
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:38:22 AM No.508512256
>>508511602
>When is it not a human?
yea, when is that?
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:38:38 AM No.508512287
>>508510031
>I can observe a different person's perspective through the lens of empiricism
no you can't. it's literally impossible to observe someone else's subjective experience, because in order to do that, you'd have to BE them, and then you wouldn't be you.
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Anonymous ID: jy6ACDigMexico
6/24/2025, 12:38:54 AM No.508512316
>>508512060
This.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:39:26 AM No.508512370
>>508512256
You tell me
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:40:51 AM No.508512522
>>508512370
>You tell me
i don't know when a baby becomes a human and when it becomes an atheist according to your definitions. that is why i'm posing the question to you.
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Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:42:29 AM No.508512701
>>508512287
Fair enough, then I can reasonably deduce that from what I can observe. They DO have the same signals and hormones defining their consciousness, that is established.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:42:40 AM No.508512724
>>508512522
>when it becomes an atheist
It never became one, it just is. It's thst simple.
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:43:03 AM No.508512769
>>508512167
>Logical as far as we understand it. And our understanding is changing which changes the logic
When I say "a logical system governing the physical universe", I'm not talking about the human understanding of logic, i'm talking about an "absolute logic" which underlies it, that we don't have full knowledge of (yet?)

>Well it at least takes a mind to understand logic
If it takes a mind to understand logic, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that it takes a mind to "create" logic?

>and a mind is represented by a physical brain.
what do you mean by "represented"? are you equating mind with brain? or do you think the mind emerges from the brain?

>From my own words, a system of workable scenarios and outcomes
Based on the research I've done, the best definition I can come up with is: "The principles of true reasoning". Would you agree with that?
I think it's important because it implies two ontological dependencies, namely, that logic requires both a capacity for reasoning and some access to or understanding of truth.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:44:09 AM No.508512894
>>508512724
>It never became one, it just is. It's thst simple.
>it just is
based on what?
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:45:09 AM No.508513028
>>508512701
Qualia can't be reduced to physical objects though
There's nothing empirical about what makes "redness", the quality of actually seeing the color red. It's inherently a private and non-physical phenomenon within the subjective experience alone
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Anonymous ID: uDOqt+fdAustria
6/24/2025, 12:45:21 AM No.508513058
>>508506323
>christianity is false
>therefore no god

I bet you stopped believing in science when we found out the aether isn't a real thing.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:47:50 AM No.508513336
>>508512769
>i'm talking about an "absolute logic" which underlies it, that we don't have full knowledge of (yet?)
I don't kno?
>>508512769
>If it takes a mind to understand logic, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that it takes a mind to "create" logic
Not really. A tree falls in your path. Is it logical to climb over or walk around it? Or do you need to know more?

>>508512769
>what do you mean by "represented"? are you equating mind with brain? or do you think the mind emerges from the brain?
The mind is the brain which spawns consciousness

>>508512769
>The principles of true reasoning". Would you agree with that?
Sounds like what I said

>>508512769
>that logic requires both a capacity for reasoning and some access to or understanding of truth
Maybe.

>>508512894
And we're back at the beginning now
>>508503567
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge until taught
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:48:30 AM No.508513404
Everyone has a certain set of basic beliefs that most don't even consciously think about. We all have some epistemology we operate off of, we all have some metaphysical understanding of reality, we all have systems of morality and ethics, etc.
Your "god" is the foundational principle that undergird all of those beliefs. This is what it means when people say "there are no atheists". It's because everyone HAS to believe to some degree. There's always faith involved, because we cannot perceive things with absolute knowledge and understanding.
Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:49:03 AM No.508513472
>>508513028
What experiences we can measure map consistently to physical states, therefore they are reducible. The fact that the science is not complete doesn't mean that the perception of redness is not something that can not be measured within the brain.
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Anonymous ID: SkDGSyA1Canada
6/24/2025, 12:50:28 AM No.508513623
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
No evidence for them.
>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
I think religion is a vital component of a functioning human society. I don't believe in a god or gods personally but I think it's best if the majority of the population do.
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:50:58 AM No.508513661
>>508513336
>And we're back at the beginning now
>They lack knowledge in God or gods and are incapable of understanding said knowledge
and so are animals and bacteria. so again how are they irrelevant, how are they not atheists?
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:51:10 AM No.508513684
>>508513472
I don't think you understand my point. The subjective experience of the state is separate from the state. The qualia in itself is not the same as the neuronal activity associated with the perception of the qualia.
The qualia is the experience of the perception itself. It's "seeing red", or "feeling love", or "being bored". These are experiences. They might have brain states associated with them, but those aren't the same thing as the experience of those states.
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Anonymous ID: sEwOuhOQUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:51:21 AM No.508513699
I have no reason to doubt the natural sciences or the principle of reductionism. The world is very consistent with our models at least as far as we know them. With a worldview that natural laws have applied everywhere the same way for all time, there isn't any rationale for thinking god or gods are present in the system.

>inb4 before/outside le big bang
if there is something "bigger" than the universe, it doesn't matter, because it doesn't bear on the natural systems of a compartmentalized universe, as we understand them.

>inb4 god of the gaps
occam's razor means there isn't any reason to think it won't just be more reductionism all the way down

>inb4 jew
talmud denounced
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:51:53 AM No.508513759
>>508513661
>and so are animals and bacteria
They are irrelevant. And I've been through this already
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:52:52 AM No.508513862
>>508513759
>and so are animals and bacteria
>They are irrelevant. And I've been through this already
why are they irrelevant? because they aren't human? when is a baby a human?
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Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:53:07 AM No.508513893
>>508513684
>They might have brain states associated with them, but those aren't the same thing as the experience of those states.
Why not? Why couldn't the experience be just the physical state of the brain?
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Anonymous ID: uxlweSJqPoland
6/24/2025, 12:54:01 AM No.508513986
>>508512117
Logic is independent of the world though. It's freestanding, with the same axioms assumed you are going to get same results in this world and in any other, with God or without. God, you or even a machine can define any axioms you wish in order to construct any logic system you need. You can even go for higher order logic in order to reason about systems that no one defined concretely, consider infinite families of logic systems, etc. It's like saying God made 1 + 1 equal 2. But 2 never needed God to be recognized as the integer successor of 1, anyone can define it as such.
Mystifying logic like this is not much different from quantum woo grifters trying to sell people magic stones. Learn the fundamentals, you will quickly realize there is no gods hiding behind, just a tons of proofs standing on top of few axioms.
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:54:05 AM No.508513991
>>508513336
>Not really. A tree falls in your path. Is it logical to climb over or walk around it? Or do you need to know more?
I'm honestly unsure what you're getting at.

>The mind is the brain which spawns consciousness
So are mind and brain just synonyms in your view? What is consciousness? I think most people might use the term mind to mean what you mean by consciousness

>Sounds like what I said
>Maybe.
Well wouldn't that imply a reasoning mind with access to the truth of the physical universe would be responsible for the "writing" of the "rules" of the universe?
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Anonymous ID: wOynCR4CUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:54:13 AM No.508514011
I am agnostic. I don't have a reason to believe in God
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:54:43 AM No.508514061
>>508513862
You can keep asking the same questions over and over but it's not going to change my answers I've already given. Keep trying to pilpul though
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Anonymous ID: /Zpeop3aUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 12:55:23 AM No.508514129
>>508513058
They're all false.
Just billions of halfwits lying to themselves. But it seems the illusion is wearing off. Iranians, according to two surveys, are 60% non-muslim. Most of them don't pray daily, half of them drink alcohol. Islam is dying, just as Christianity died in the west.
I'd like to say the same about Hinduism but they're shit-wallowing retards so it might take them a while to catch up
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:55:40 AM No.508514167
>>508513991
>>Not really. A tree falls in your path. Is it logical to climb over or walk around it? Or do you need to know more?
>I'm honestly unsure what you're getting at.
Its ok. Nuance is lost on you people

Anyway do you have a point to make?
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:55:41 AM No.508514171
>>508514061
>not going to change my answers
you haven't answered anything you've no foundation for your belief
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Anonymous ID: sCVt7UW1United States
6/24/2025, 12:55:51 AM No.508514186
For me it's always been very simple. The idea that someone is coming to save humanity is the cope of all copes.
Anonymous ID: ANvJzM8mUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:55:55 AM No.508514195
>>508491192 (OP)
Nigger
Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:56:19 AM No.508514230
>>508513893
Because an experience isn't a physical "thing". It's an experience. A moment of perception. Your entire awareness is a string of these moments through time. You can't physically quantify that, it's a qualitative subjective experience.
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Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:57:11 AM No.508514317
>>508514230
>Because an experience isn't a physical "thing".
Says who based on what evidence?
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:57:41 AM No.508514370
>>508514167
>Nuance is lost on you people
Why'd you have to be a dick for no reason? I'm trying to genuinely engage with you here.
And my point was literally in that post you illiterate buffoon. The fact the universe adheres to some logical system implies a reasoning mind that is omniscient that created it.
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 12:58:14 AM No.508514428
>>508514317
it's self-evident for anyone that is conscious?
i feel like this is just a semantics issue at this point
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:58:47 AM No.508514494
>>508514171
>you haven't answered anything
Yeah I have. You just don't like the answers so you keep splitting hairs to irrelevance.

A you.problem.
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Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 12:59:10 AM No.508514540
>>508514428
So your argument is that I just have to "get it", because there's no physical proof of your claim?
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Anonymous ID: 5Xj00pwHUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:59:11 AM No.508514543
>>508506385
Because my own belief is "it's something we can't know but can intuitively seek to grasp through our understanding of what good is"

This is infinitely more probable -- literally infinite --than specific magical things with specific rules occuring at specific times to specific people in specific places.

Basically, my view of spirituality is an open future, where things like Christian God are a closed past.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 12:59:36 AM No.508514588
>>508514370
>The fact the universe adheres to some logical system implies a reasoning mind that is omniscient that created it
Nice presupposition. Or maybe it doesn't
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 1:00:15 AM No.508514670
>>508514540
>because there's no physical proof of your claim?
it's impossible for there to be physical proof of subjective experience. this should be self-evident to anyone with a subjective experience
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Anonymous ID: PMDID2nk
6/24/2025, 1:00:30 AM No.508514695
>>508503239
If there is no apple on the table then there isn't one. Religion is a joke, trash that has ruined many a society/civilization. All the most religious countries(middle east) suffer in circumstances atheists would find unbearable. I'm not only an atheist but an islamophobe and antisemite. Everything we owe modern conveniences to stemmed from science and research. There is no god. If you need to take out the garbage, you have to pick up the bag and throw it out, no amount of prayer is going to do it. Atheism is the way.
Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 1:01:22 AM No.508514782
>>508514588
it's not a presupposition, it's the logical conclusion from the ontological dependence relationships I explained earlier of logic to a capacity to reason and acces or understanding of truth, based on a definition of logic you agreed with
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Anonymous ID: XgfCHx/QNorway
6/24/2025, 1:01:50 AM No.508514827
>>508491192 (OP)
Jews are too scummy to be god's chosen people, and Jesus being a jew is also disgusting
Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 1:02:29 AM No.508514904
>>508503239
>old therefore bad!!!
it's funny because the modernist viewpoint is predicated on the belief that everything was bad until old ideas were "rediscovered" with the renaissance
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Anonymous ID: /rzwTTkHChile
6/24/2025, 1:02:34 AM No.508514911
Why are you niggers listening to memeflags? You know they are all jews, right? Is it because you agree with them? Maybe your mind is closer to jew's mind than you think.
Anonymous ID: PxnIetOZ
6/24/2025, 1:02:52 AM No.508514951
1750591965853818
1750591965853818
md5: 62fa0a2fcb040f78102692d154626203🔍
christianity is provably false and fails its own internal logic

all abrahamic religions are mind viruses
Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 1:04:06 AM No.508515074
>>508514670
Subjective in this case means nothing else than the input signal being processed in marginally different way due to differences in brain chemistry and genetics. If two brains have the same wiring and they receive the same input and arrive at the same physical state then they "experience" the same exact thing. Any experience is a physical state which can only vary based on slight differences in our brains.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 1:04:31 AM No.508515115
>>508514782
>it's not a presupposition, it's the logical conclusion
Eh, it's God of the gaps. Maybe we're in a eternal cycle of entropy?

>ontological dependence relationships
OK, let's try this again

You're crossing a bridge to get to the basin below. A tree falls onto the bridge and now creates a path straight to the basin. Is it logical to stay in the path or take the new short cut to save time. Provided the latter is safe to travel
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Anonymous ID: qJnMXoHBUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 1:04:52 AM No.508515157
>>508514904
0AD isn't old though, at all, kek.
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Anonymous ID: dzR3sGEiIsrael
6/24/2025, 1:05:49 AM No.508515256
>>508491192 (OP)
Throughout the whole history of humanity, people have had gods, and claimed their god, or gods, are 100% real, that their word is law, and claimed monopoly over 'truth', over good and evil, and over life and death...

Every single religion would have 'proof' that THEIR god is real. And people to claim they felt that god / those gods...

The Abrahamic religions often get a biased 'truth' pinch because most people in english speaking circles online grew up with them, but a shinto priest, or a hindi guru, can know NOTHING about Yahweh, believe their own gods are real, even that they have seen proof with their own eyes / prayer...

so either all are real, or none are real... Any western 'but I felt christ with me in the church' could be met with a shinto 'I felt inari ookami in that temple'... or hell, a jewish 'felt god' / muslim 'felt muhammad'.....

also, merit / survivability ≠ truth

if something lasted for a long time, or has functions that are good for societal cohesion, doesn't give it that monopoly over life, morality, and death....
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 1:07:14 AM No.508515421
>>508515074
Ah, but that's where you're making an assumption. Is your red my red? What if my red is your green?

>>508515115
>Eh, it's God of the gaps
You don't know what "God of the gaps" means

>You're crossing a bridge to get to the basin below. A tree falls onto the bridge and now creates a path straight to the basin. Is it logical to stay in the path or take the new short cut to save time. Provided the latter is safe to travel
I'm just not sure what you mean by "logical" here. Do you mean efficient? Because logical has a specific meaning and it doesn't seem like you're applying it correctly
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Anonymous ID: XNyQIWYvNetherlands
6/24/2025, 1:08:06 AM No.508515494
>>508515157
Then why mention it as if it is relevant?
Anonymous ID: xDlrSP12United States
6/24/2025, 1:08:35 AM No.508515555
>>508491192 (OP)
aint no atheists in front of the draft board
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Anonymous ID: v7DShGcgHungary
6/24/2025, 1:09:51 AM No.508515703
>>508515421
>an assumption
A deduction. You're the one making the assumption that each brain is completely different and process every signal in wildly different ways. You are far less unique than you think.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 1:10:57 AM No.508515819
>>508515421
>You don't know what "God of the gaps" means
Sure I do. It means you don't how to explain something so you suppose a God/mind/being/creator did it

>>508515421
>I'm just not sure what you mean by "logical" here
I guess that refutes
>>508512724
>wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that it takes a mind to "create" logic?
Then lol
Anonymous ID: mzNzD7mcChile
6/24/2025, 1:11:38 AM No.508515896
>>508515256
Ok if your accounts account for the events as occured the best of your linguistics the more clear the ontology of it will be

Ergo if you disregard accounts of events based on the word for it or the book in which is written

Like the sell of a donkey, a basic real relatable and emotionally empathic but that it describes trade and scams in trade and mention coins by name

Which all existed and exists, this simple understanding not only of the world but of the world of worlds, the past existence of world discovering individuals
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Anonymous ID: /Zpeop3aUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 1:11:39 AM No.508515899
>>508515256
>muslim 'felt muhammad'.....
Pretty sure quite a few muslims "felt muhammad" in them, when he was alive
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Anonymous ID: xDlrSP12United States
6/24/2025, 1:13:19 AM No.508516085
checkem
checkem
md5: 73253259efa8a58405c793c668264f2f🔍
>>508515555
>dat git
Anonymous ID: dzR3sGEiIsrael
6/24/2025, 1:14:33 AM No.508516299
>>508515899

CUBED in the name of Allah
Anonymous ID: dzR3sGEiIsrael
6/24/2025, 1:22:08 AM No.508517122
>>508515896
maybe it's the 2AM haze, I really don't get what you're trying to say... If you claim the existence of your god as the absolute arbiter of morality, truth, life and death, and ruler of fate and all that... if you do so based on personal experience - you must answer why someone not even knowing your god, has the same experience with their god. If you claim it on historical account, same thing. If you claim it on some absolute proof, again, you are met with another religion with a similar proof of the same caliber...

religions work within themselves, since they can excuse everything somehow... but outside of themselves, they have a hard time... it really is just a matter of FAITH, not logic. You can't fight faith with logic, and can't fight logic with faith. They are ultimately two different games with different rules.
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Anonymous ID: kjRVCQaQGermany
6/24/2025, 1:22:45 AM No.508517187
>>508491192 (OP)
Ex atheist here.
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
As a child, I prayed to the god of the Christians and my prayers were completely ignored. Naive as I was as an 8 yo boy, I concluded from that experience that all gods must be false gods. Only much later in life, when my search for the fundamental truths brought me to the limits of the humanly knowable and humanly doable, I learned that real gods exist and why they exist. I also learned that atheists only remain atheists when they don't take their research serious enough to do it thoroughly.

>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
None.
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Anonymous ID: /Zpeop3aUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 1:30:29 AM No.508517990
>>508517122
Go to bed Samuel. You talk any more sense and we might have to stop laughing at the Iranian rocket videos
Anonymous ID: z1RQG4/kUnited States
6/24/2025, 1:31:52 AM No.508518146
i struggled with anxiety/depression for a few years and faggot therapists didn't help (i never took meds don't worry).
Anyways I always prayed and basically just thanked God for what I have and told him I'll be happy to answer for my mistakes after I die.
Well one day I gave up and just asked God for help and over the course of a few weeks I basically stomped any anxiety and depression out of my life.

Also one time I was in the shower and felt a beam of light (I felt it but didn't see it, but I know it was light...) and just got filled with love and peace for a good 10-15 seconds. I went and sat down and just reflected for a few minutes to make sure I can fully remember it.
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Anonymous ID: uxlweSJqPoland
6/24/2025, 1:42:13 AM No.508519209
>>508518146
For me, having to adhere to religion's rules in face of family's disapproval and eternal damnation was the biggest sources of anxiety as a kid.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 1:47:22 AM No.508519715
Corporal_Patrick_Tillman
Corporal_Patrick_Tillman
md5: b7974a90f54d769c2bc047f3463723f8🔍
>>508515555
Anonymous ID: 26XsRvSCUnited States
6/24/2025, 1:59:57 AM No.508520899
>>508491192 (OP)
Assuming agency behind reality is dumb nigger tier shit.
Anonymous ID: RZ0Kb5ODIsrael
6/24/2025, 2:05:56 AM No.508521497
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
studied at a religious school, always knew it was irrational but the older I got the more far fetched it felt. especially when I started asking questions, I could see the fear in my teacher's eyes when they were unable to answer simple questions like "why don't biblical tier miracles happen anymore" (like plagues or angles or giant hands in the sky)

>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
ill extend my answer to humanity as a whole and say that religion single handedly set back humanity thousands of years. not just the wars but the type of cope it allows in being able to avoid agency and responsibility by surrendering to a higher power.
people become dumb and lazy when the finality of death is cushioned rather than treated like a horrible flaw we must always resist. for example one might desperately try to develop a cure for their dying daughter, curing cancer, had they not accepted it as "god's will" for her to die and that she'll be better off in the afterlife.

the identity, unity, and spiritual well being that religion imparts on the believers is not worth the massive loss in human potential and progress
Anonymous ID: meob/s0xCanada
6/24/2025, 2:06:35 AM No.508521553
>>508491192 (OP)
Are there any atheists on /pol/?
Yea
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
None of your goddamn business.
>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
Sand nigger cultists should all be shipped to the middle east where their jew worship cult originated from.
Anonymous ID: WIKW0CfiUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:09:03 AM No.508521776
>>508513986
And these things just happened to be all on their own?
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Anonymous ID: meob/s0xCanada
6/24/2025, 2:12:36 AM No.508522107
>>508521776
>god could be real
>therefore you should worship a dead jew from 2000 years ago
Face the wall.
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Anonymous ID: WIKW0CfiUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:13:33 AM No.508522192
>>508522107
not my argument at all leaf, how about you butt out and go have some poutine faggot?
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Anonymous ID: meob/s0xCanada
6/24/2025, 2:21:01 AM No.508522859
>>508522192
Look how much it seethes.
Anonymous ID: tRJ2Mpr3Netherlands
6/24/2025, 2:22:59 AM No.508523060
>>508491192 (OP)
Any intellectually honest athiest is agnostic, actual athiests are sub tier IQ
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:24:06 AM No.508523160
>>508512117
Why should anyone believe your opinions about what God is?
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:24:42 AM No.508523215
>>508523060
>Any intellectually honest athiest is agnostic
Agnostic atheist
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:31:17 AM No.508523820
>>508514494
>Yeah I have
you have not, as you haven't provided the foundation for why a baby is an atheist. "it just is" does not answer that question. for my part, atheism is obviously a choice to not believe in a god. it is not an arbitrary "default setting" the way you suggest.
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Anonymous ID: /Zpeop3aUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 2:36:01 AM No.508524288
>>508523060
(a) agnosticism was a joke, coined at college in response to the Gnostic Society by Huxley, who was amused that they could have any gnosis of God. Later in life Huxley himself penned the foreword to Darwin's work. He commented "how remarkably stupid not to have thought of this before!" (with regards to evolution). Huxley, despite naming himself agnostic as a joke, almost certainly wasn't
(b) nobody is agnostic, even if they claim they are, at least not in the sense they mean. God is a binary proposition - he exists or he doesn't, you either believe in him or you don't. Regardless of what the agnostic spouts (and let's be clear here, he's just a posing cunt trying to act superior) - the agnostic COMMITS in his day to day life. He either ACTS as if there is no God or he ACTS as if there is. There is no actual middle ground he can build a fence on and sit on. If an agnostic behaves like God doesn't exist, then he's a fucking atheist. What he's ACTUALLY agnostic about is how knowable it is. This is up for debate, but regardless, the agnostic fucking commits.
All agnostics, therefore, are agnostic atheist, like this chap >>508523215
or agnostic theists.
They either don't know if it's possible to know if God exists but they're going to behave as if it is or as if it isn't.
Any intellectually honest agnostic would stop pretending they're not one or the other, but they just LOVE trying to appear superior to either, despite the fact that one of the two positions HAS to be right and the only position guaranteed to be WRONG, is the halfwitted agnostic position the halfwit agnostic believes he has taken.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:37:33 AM No.508524452
>>508523820
>you have not,
Sure have
>>508523820
>as you haven't provided the foundation for why a baby is an atheist
Sure did. Their lack if belief in God or gods, rather their knowledge which I forms belief

I don't know why this is hard for you
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:39:19 AM No.508524622
BranchesOfTheism&Atheism
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>>508524288
>or agnostic theists.
Yup. Gnostic and agnostic are branches in both atheism and theism
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:39:50 AM No.508524674
>>508524452
>I forms
Informs*
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:40:46 AM No.508524766
>>508524452
>Their lack if belief in God or gods, rather their knowledge which I forms belief
lack of knowledge pertains to all other species by your definition. unless you are also speaking on potential, in which case you must define when that potential becomes relevant in order to provide your foundation. and since you can't you have no foundation.
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Anonymous ID: K1XCMa8t
6/24/2025, 2:45:50 AM No.508525298
>>508517187
What did you discover that made you think God(s) is real?

I've heard people say psydellics made them believe in the metaphysical but I've never tried them. I also heard about Orch OR's theory of a "quantum soul"?

I'm agnostic, I would be quite comforted if I found any evidence death isn't the end / my consciousness is immortal.
Anonymous ID: XVi5Oi0eRussian Federation
6/24/2025, 2:46:04 AM No.508525321
>>508491192 (OP)
I just do not like the concept.
i do like afterlife concept so i believe in that.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:46:49 AM No.508525382
>>508524766
>lack of knowledge pertains to all other species by your definition
But other species doesn't process knowledge like humans do. So they are irrelevant as theism and atheism are aspects that only apply to humans
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:48:14 AM No.508525516
>>508525382
>But other species doesn't process knowledge
neither do babies
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:49:25 AM No.508525625
>>508525516
Keep reading >>508525382
>like humans do. So they are irrelevant as theism and atheism are aspects that only apply to humans
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Anonymous ID: 5UT2wN1cUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:49:48 AM No.508525665
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I don't trust the clergy in this matter, i am not trying to overthrow the fabric of society. Basically the word God itself has very little meaning because too many meanings and is only limited by thoughts so its like playing a game with no rules. If it is a book god i just outright dismiss it and the clergy apparatus that it works under.

Ultimate justice, Afterlife, meaning to everything, destiny, good and evil. Those are only brushed or hidden away behind death and dealt with in a human fashion day to day for a reason.
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:50:18 AM No.508525704
>>508525625
>Keep reading
i did. babies do not process knowledge of God or gods, or atheism or theism.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:51:56 AM No.508525841
>>508525704
>babies do not process knowledge of God or gods, or atheism or theism.
So, by default they are atheist until they decide they're not or remain so

Glad we cleared that up :^)
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:53:22 AM No.508525990
>>508525841
>So, by default they are atheist until they decide they're not or remain so

>Glad we cleared that up :^)
so by your definition animals and bacteria are also atheist. by default, as you say.
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Anonymous ID: /Zpeop3aUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 2:54:09 AM No.508526069
>>508524622
Exactly so. Too many agnostics think agnosticism is the centre of the cross. That position doesn't actually exist, they fall into one of the four quadrants.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:54:22 AM No.508526089
>>508525990
>animals and bacteria are
Irrelevant
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:55:09 AM No.508526174
>>508526069
This anon gets it. Glad to see more of you who do
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 2:57:40 AM No.508526426
>>508526089
>Irrelevant
to you because you cannot provide the foundation for your belief as you cannot identify when potential becomes relevant.
Replies: >>508526821
Anonymous ID: 2scRNvZ5United States
6/24/2025, 2:57:47 AM No.508526437
>>508491192 (OP)
Most of us are atheist. Christgolems suck kike cock, Islamofucks too but to a lesser extent. Hindudumbasses love kikes for some reason and buddhists don't care about the real world by definition (unless they're retarded enough to be manipulated into becoming murderers by kikes like in myanmar). Who's left, retards who worship Zeus or Odin or some dumbshit even though those gods didn't protect their worshippers before?
Anonymous ID: 2scRNvZ5United States
6/24/2025, 2:59:06 AM No.508526552
>>508491809
> I'm too retarded to be an atheist
Ftfy. If you were actually smart you would have a reason for your thinking instead of "hurr durr I smart k believe me plz"
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Anonymous ID: 2scRNvZ5United States
6/24/2025, 3:00:12 AM No.508526664
>>508492708
Kys christgolem, you're retarded bible verses aren't welcome here
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:02:05 AM No.508526821
>>508526426
>>Irrelevant
>to you
To anyone. You'll never see an animal answering questions about philosophy
>you cannot provide the foundation for your belief
I already have. The foundation is the lack if belief in God or gods. No matter how much pilpul you try and how many times you lie. It won't chnage anything.

>as you cannot identify when potential becomes relevant.
This is also irrelevant. You're making gila posts that have nothing to do with the subject.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:03:02 AM No.508526902
>>508526821
>gila posts
Goal posts*
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:05:21 AM No.508527122
>>508526821
>To anyone. You'll never see an animal answering questions about philosophy
nor a baby.
>I already have. The foundation is the lack if belief in God or gods. No matter how much pilpul you try and how many times you lie. It won't chnage anything.
lack of belief which is also shared by animals and bacteria making them atheists by your definition.
>This is also irrelevant. You're making gila posts that have nothing to do with the subject.
it is relevant, potential is the foundation for your belief of babies being atheists, and you cannot define when potential becomes relevant.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:09:24 AM No.508527486
>>508527122
>>To anyone. You'll never see an animal answering questions about philosophy
>nor a baby.
But a baby has the capacity to grow, learn and then be able to. An animals doesn't. Hence why they're irrelevant
>potential is the foundation for your belief
Lack of belief is the foundation.

No need to make up more strawman and lies my dude. Take the L
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:13:18 AM No.508527853
>>508527486
>But a baby has the capacity to grow, learn and then be able to
most of the time. sometimes a myriad of unfortunate circumstances prevent that from happening. aside from that, you are speaking again about potential for knowledge and thought so i ask you again, when is a baby considered to have this potential? at what phase of their creation does this become relevant? do you also consider mentally handicapped people to be atheist? those that have no potential for knowledge or thought?
>Lack of belief is the foundation.
nope if it was animals and bacteria would be atheist. your foundation is potential for knowledge and thought.
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Anonymous ID: MjnAok5pUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:14:55 AM No.508527987
>>508491192 (OP)
Sort of...I just do not believe any religious dogma, I do believe this reality is not all reality, or the only reality. An anthropomorphic god is not something I believe in.
Anonymous ID: ovoa/OabCanada
6/24/2025, 3:18:23 AM No.508528305
>>508491192 (OP)
There is no evidence for the existence of god(s). There is only evidence of liars.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:18:37 AM No.508528332
>>508527853
>>But a baby has the capacity to grow, learn and then be able to
>most of the time
We aren't talking about the abnormalities. See this is you pilpulling again

>you are speaking again about potential for knowledge and thought so i ask you again, when is a baby considered to have this potential?
This is irrelevant. Because "potential" is subjective. Some kids know its bullshit right aways. Some take longer. Some believe whatever their parents say. What their subjective potential become or when that takes place is irrelevant to what they started out as.

>>508527853
>>Lack of belief is the foundation.
>nope if it was animals and bacteria would be atheist
If you want to call them atheist. Knock yourself out. I don't because they're irrelevant.

>your foundation is potential for knowledge and thought.
The lack of.


You have no more arguments left.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:23:02 AM No.508528765
>>508528332
>We aren't talking about the abnormalities. See this is you pilpulling again
it is more of an anecdote. if you prefer not to define mentally disabled people or miscarriages as atheist, i'd agree with you.
>This is irrelevant. Because "potential" is subjective. Some kids know its bullshit right aways. Some take longer. Some believe whatever their parents say. What their subjective potential become or when that takes place is irrelevant to what they started out as.
>what they started out as
cells. are those cells atheist?
>If you want to call them atheist. Knock yourself out. I don't because they're irrelevant.
it is irrelevant because you are separating living beings based upon whether they have the capacity to reason to support your statement that "babies are atheist" when babies do not have any capacity for reason.
>You have no more arguments left.
unfortunately for you, i do.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:25:24 AM No.508528976
>>508528765
>it is irrelevant because you are separating living beings
I'm only talking about humans. Thats all this has ever been. Then you come in with some none argument


I was right you have no actual arguments
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:26:35 AM No.508529076
>>508528765
>babies do not have any capacity for reason.
Which makes them atheist by default.

Thanks again duder :^)
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:26:45 AM No.508529086
>>508528976
>I'm only talking about humans. Thats all this has ever been. Then you come in with some none argument
and why would you not include other living beings in your definition? because they don't have the potential. your foundation. and so i ask again, when does that potential become relevant?
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:27:42 AM No.508529163
>>508529076
>Which makes them atheist by default.
which makes all other living beings atheist by default.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:28:45 AM No.508529255
>>508529086
>and why would you not include other living beings in your definition?
I've already answers this several times and in many different ways

>when does that potential become relevant?
When the user deems it so.
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Anonymous ID: 1Y5FF2I2Brazil
6/24/2025, 3:29:26 AM No.508529311
>>508491192 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxFE5YOErcg

Fade from all that was before
We shut another door, but not a last goodbye
Fate has taken once again
A fight we'll never win, and time again, we try
Left alone, I can't wait too long, fade
Anonymous ID: Rkq4U73tCanada
6/24/2025, 3:30:20 AM No.508529388
>>508499841
I believe that intelligence is just fragments of the collective consciousness of the universe reacting when it can assert itself in our plane
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:30:20 AM No.508529389
>>508529255
>I've already answers this several times and in many different ways
by saying it's because of potential, and yet
>When the user deems it so.
you cannot define when that potential becomes relevant.
as you have previously avoided my statement
>what they (babies) started out as
cells. they start out as cells. are those cells atheist?
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:30:39 AM No.508529424
>>508529163
When does another living being besides humans decide to remain athiest?
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Anonymous ID: 2sqlsrqIUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:30:47 AM No.508529438
Christian God is retarded because you're meant to believe this being created all of space and time, but then had to wipe out humanity multiple times because he made a mistake? Mother fucker you're the sole reason everything is happening the way it is, you created all of time. That means God knew when he created the universe and time he'd have to wipe out humanity multiple times and blame the humans for it, and thats retarded as fuck.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:32:52 AM No.508529637
>>508529389
>by saying it's because of potential, and yet
No. That's your strawman animals don't have the potential so they're irrelevant. And potential is subjective, again irrelevant.


>you cannot define when that potential becomes relevant
For me I can. I can't speak for someone else's subjective experience
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:33:49 AM No.508529723
>>508529424
>remain
they were not. i do not subscribe to your definition of atheism.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:35:17 AM No.508529852
>>508529637
No. That's your strawman animals don't have the potential so they're irrelevant. And potential is subjective, again irrelevant.
it's the entire foundation of your belief in which you separate living beings from babies and naming them atheists.
>For me I can. I can't speak for someone else's subjective experience
you avoid the comment again.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:35:19 AM No.508529859
>>508529723
Ah so they're irrelevant even by your standards kek

What a clown you are
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:36:50 AM No.508530003
>>508529859
babies were never atheist. an atheist is a person that decides not to believe in a God or gods.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:36:54 AM No.508530013
>>508529852
>it's the entire foundation of your belief
Nope. That's you're strawman

>>508529852
>>For me I can. I can't speak for someone else's subjective experience
>you avoid the comment again.
Sure didn't.

Anyway, concession accepted
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:37:32 AM No.508530065
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>>508530003
>an atheist is a person that decides not to believe in a God or gods.
Go home kid
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:38:55 AM No.508530229
>>508530013
>Nope. That's you're strawman
your only point of separation and definition is a potential that you cannot identify or build upon.
>Sure didn't.
sure did. babies start as cells. are those cells atheist?
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:40:27 AM No.508530361
>>508530229
>your only point of separation and definition is a potential
There isn't anything to separate. Atheism and theism only applies to humans.
>>508530229
>>Sure didn't.
>sure did
Nope. I don't need to answer irrelevant pilpul bait
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:42:19 AM No.508530517
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>>508530065
exactly as i said
Replies: >>508530770
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:45:08 AM No.508530734
>>508530361
>There isn't anything to separate. Atheism and theism only applies to humans.
and why is that? because babies have the potential to gain knowledge or reason. and when does that potential occur? outside of unfortunate circumstances (miscarriages, mental disability, etc.)
>Nope. I don't need to answer irrelevant pilpul bait
it is relevant but as you can't define when a baby's potential becomes relevant to your definition you have no foundation for your belief.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:45:30 AM No.508530770
>>508530517
There's a difference between disbelief and lack of belief. Both are lack of belief but one is a positive knowledge claim while the other not claiming with knowledge, but rather lacks the knowledge and thus the belief

Thus babies being in the latter
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:46:38 AM No.508530865
>>508530734
>>There isn't anything to separate. Atheism and theism only applies to humans.
>and why is that? because babies have the potential to gain knowledge or reason.
Yup. Animals do not
>and when does that potential occur?
Potential for what exactly?
Replies: >>508531755
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 3:57:13 AM No.508531755
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>>508530865
>Yup. Animals do not
that you know of. an assumption on your part. there's not much evidence to the contrary. elephants make their own graveyards but that doesn't mean animals are spiritual or believe in a God.
>Potential for what exactly?
reason.
>>508530770
you and i disagree on this definition of atheism. picrel.
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Anonymous ID: rji27STfCanada
6/24/2025, 3:59:06 AM No.508531920
>>508508645
>>508508032
>>508508128
Glad you love living in a white country so much, gurpreet. Can you get off 4chan and focus on driving? I don't want my Uber eats to be cold when you get here
Anonymous ID: AD/Gmxgk
6/24/2025, 3:59:07 AM No.508531921
>>508491192 (OP)
If there's god, the only reason for him to allow religions is to see who's ready to accept obvious lies and atrocities for personal benefit.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:06:03 AM No.508532568
>>508531755
>>Potential for what exactly?
>reason.
Up to the user my man. So much in a person's life will effect and affect this.

>you and i disagree on this definition of atheism
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>picrel
Read the very first sentence in that pic for the class if you will kind sir
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Anonymous ID: aemOTwIPUnited Kingdom
6/24/2025, 4:07:16 AM No.508532675
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>>508491192 (OP)
If there are they won't be for long, or they're not very smart. Whatever, not my problem. Christ? King
Anonymous ID: Zx7nw36fUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:07:42 AM No.508532756
>>508491192 (OP)
I'm a "apatheist".
It seems like the precondition for needing to take a stance on the existence of deities comes from a need to explain the origin of existence, to which I say "who cares?"
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:15:47 AM No.508533583
>>508532568
>Read the very first sentence in that pic for the class if you will kind sir
writers disagree.....however the norm is
>You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
thanks your validation is priceless to me.
>Up to the user my man. So much in a person's life will effect and affect this.
a baby does not have any capacity for reason. neither does a fetus, nor a zygote. they have potential to decide to become atheist or theist. as a fetus, zygote, cell, baby they are neither theist nor atheist, by definition. you definition tries to conclude that atheism is the default state of humans but as you can't define when the "human" begins you have no foundation to support that theory.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:20:46 AM No.508534029
>>508533583
>writers disagree
Thanks bud

>>508533583
>a baby does not have any capacity for reason
Sure they do, they start learning rather early
>>508533583
>atheism is the default state of humans
It is. We are all born with a lack of belief or knowledge in God or gods.

And as we grow. We learn to reason and depending on the lactation we're born, will heavily influence to reason or what reason is.

Humans start out as atheist but develop the reason to decide if they remain so as they grow and experience life.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:21:24 AM No.508534093
>>508533583
>you can't define when the "human" begins
Don't need to.
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Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 4:23:58 AM No.508534370
>>508526552
You are too stupid to prove yourself to be smart. Nothing but an irrelevance loser.
Anonymous ID: 6pey8eyVCanada
6/24/2025, 4:24:30 AM No.508534438
>>508530065
rocks are atheists, therefore, atheists are as dumb as rocks.
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Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 4:24:36 AM No.508534443
>>508534093
Hell o there loser
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:25:40 AM No.508534551
>>508534438
>rocks are atheists
They're also irrelevant to atheism
Anonymous ID: Jozxiq4ISwitzerland
6/24/2025, 4:26:57 AM No.508534672
>>508491192 (OP)
Most christians today are atheists. Otherwise they would lead completely different lives out of fear of hell.
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Anonymous ID: iEkBQTtvUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:27:38 AM No.508534743
>>508491192 (OP)
>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
Default position
>What are your thoughts on Christianity, Islam and Hinduism being major influences among the user base here?
They're major influences everywhere so it's nothing new
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Anonymous ID: uxlweSJqPoland
6/24/2025, 4:28:44 AM No.508534850
>>508521776
Logic system simply emerges from chosen sets of axioms. They don't exist in a physical sense, these are just abstract structures, not really reflections of anything tangible.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:29:02 AM No.508534878
>>508534743
>>What lead you to conclude that there is no god or gods?
>Default position
This anon gets it
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:30:43 AM No.508535039
>>508534093
>Sure they do, they start learning rather early
how early?
>It is. We are all born with a lack of belief or knowledge in God or gods. And as we grow. We learn to reason and depending on the lactation we're born, will heavily influence to reason or what reason is. Humans start out as atheist but develop the reason to decide if they remain so as they grow and experience life.
I would agree with you but since
>>508534093
your theory does not trump the current prevailing definition of atheism as you cannot identify the beginning of a human's potential for reason that separates us from other living beings and are also working under the (more than likely correct but disproven nonetheless) assumption that all other creatures are nonspiritual, i find your belief lacks credible evidence.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:32:38 AM No.508535193
>>508535039
>>Sure they do, they start learning rather early
>how early?
Look it up

>>508535039
>your theory does not trump the current prevailing definition of atheism
It agrees with it. As the definition I gave covers the one you gave lol

All of this because you argue something you don't understand. Dunning Kruger is the term
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:34:31 AM No.508535371
>>508535193
>It agrees with it. As the definition I gave covers the one you gave lol All of this because you argue something you don't understand. Dunning Kruger is the term
your definition of atheism is not the prevailing definition and also attempts to define atheism as the default state of humans without being able to identify when that state occurs or why it would be different from other living beings.
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Anonymous ID: Jozxiq4ISwitzerland
6/24/2025, 4:37:21 AM No.508535604
>>508534672
You can't serve in an army or build weapons for it if it kills innocent people and really believe in God at the same time. You can't even make a fortune and truly believe in God. When people still really believed in God, the church got rich with letters of indulgence because people saw the church as their last resort to escape hell. Today, true believers are in the single-digit percentage range worldwide.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:37:55 AM No.508535660
>>508535371
>your definition of atheism is not the prevailing definition
It is. That's whst the disbelief means in the beginning. Atheism is the disbelief (active rejection) OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods.

I've explained this already too
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:38:48 AM No.508535724
>>508535371
>without being able to identify when that state occurs
I said it's the default..learn what the answer bud
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Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 4:38:50 AM No.508535731
>>508534672
Why should I fear Hell when my God is greater than Hell?
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:40:09 AM No.508535855
>>508535660
>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
and since you provide no clear evidence or support to the contrary....
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:41:05 AM No.508535947
>>508535724
>I said it's the default..learn what the answer bud
when do we have a "default" state? at what stage in development? this is your foundation, again.
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:42:02 AM No.508536038
>>508535855
>"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
This idiot quoted the wrong part of what I said
>>508535660
>That's whst the disbelief means in the beginning. Atheism is the disbelief (active rejection)
Why are you so dishonest?
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Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:42:48 AM No.508536115
>>508535947
>still doesn't understand defuslt
Are you ESL?
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Anonymous ID: Jozxiq4ISwitzerland
6/24/2025, 4:43:07 AM No.508536154
>>508535731
The fact that god and the devil are opponents does not mean that if god denies you access to heaven he does not do so in full awareness that you will end up in hell. God created hell.
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Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:43:34 AM No.508536197
>>508536038
>>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
is not the prevailing definition of atheism. it's your (unfounded) belief.
Replies: >>508536363
Anonymous ID: 3rG2Wyu0United States
6/24/2025, 4:44:10 AM No.508536257
>>508491192 (OP)
>be.me.
>uber driver
>pick up two sisters, and a discussion on the paranormal is brought up (yah i visit x frequently)
>ask them about there paranormal experience.
>proceed to tell me thta they were both at a funeral for a loved one.
>choked up pretty bad
>gentleman and a lady talked to both of them separately.
>the message was from there loved one
>basically telling them everything is ok they are in heaven happy as a clam and looking out for them.

>they finish the story and im like "WOW thats really amazing i wish I could get a message from God like that"

>two hours later, pick up lady and her two littlegirls from the airport
>just got back from the holy land walking the steps of Jesus Christ. after the small talk is done, it goes silent for a few minutes.
>lady touches my shoulder and says "i dont want to scare you anon, but i have a very close relation ship with God and he has as message for you"

>after i finish freaking out and cussing up a storm in front of her two little girls I immediately apologize for my cussing its just that I LITERALLY ASKED for this two hours ago, and i asked what the message was with tears in my eyes.

>but yah she knew somethings about my past. Lets just say God is real, and all you Atheists are wrong, Its literally for THE BEST. Would i type all this up and LIE?

anyone who thinks im lieing worships BAAL and SACRIFICES children.
Replies: >>508536655
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:44:48 AM No.508536308
>>508536115
>Are you ESL?
when do humans have a default state? at what stage in a fetus' development does this occur?
Replies: >>508536549
Anonymous ID: jfUZhhjSUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:45:28 AM No.508536356
>>508492106
TROOF.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:45:31 AM No.508536363
>>508536197
>is not the prevailing definition of atheism.
Again
>>508535660
>That's whst the disbelief means in the beginning. Atheism is the disbelief (active rejection)
Is the same as
>>508531755
The highlighted part here in your pic
Replies: >>508536492
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:47:02 AM No.508536492
>>508536363
this is the prevailing definition of atheism
>Atheism is the disbelief (active rejection)
this is not
>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
as stated here
>"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
Replies: >>508536643
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:47:43 AM No.508536549
>>508536308
When do you call it a human?
Replies: >>508536597
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:48:25 AM No.508536597
>>508536549
>When do you call it a human?
exactly, this is what i am asking you.
Replies: >>508536803
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:48:47 AM No.508536643
>>508536492
>>Atheism is the disbelief (active rejection)
>this is not
>>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
Hey bro. Notice how the word OR is capitalized?

Why is that?
Replies: >>508536780
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 4:48:52 AM No.508536652
>>508536154
God created Heaven and Earth.
Both are creation.

Hell is the Abyss.

Abyss = Void/Zero

In Hell, there is nothing but yourself.
Replies: >>508537084
Anonymous ID: 2gqzkuZnPhilippines
6/24/2025, 4:48:53 AM No.508536655
>>508536257
>Would i type all this up and LIE?
Yeah, it's a really typical christfag style delusion.
Replies: >>508536807
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:50:14 AM No.508536780
>>508536643
>Hey bro. Notice how the word OR is capitalized?
yes it is the separation of your statement from the prevailing definition of atheism.
>"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
Replies: >>508536905 >>508536905
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:50:35 AM No.508536803
>>508536597
>exactly, this is what i am asking you.
And I'm asking you. When so YOU call it a human?
Replies: >>508536922
Anonymous ID: 3rG2Wyu0United States
6/24/2025, 4:50:37 AM No.508536807
>>508536655
I really appreciate that comment. The fact its SOO unbelievable and actually happened really strengthens my KNOWING i wouldnt even call it FAITH ANYMORE.

for example; i have faith the sun with rise tomorrow, but theres a chance it wont,

imagine now using FAITH in the terms of the all mighty hahahaahha NO YOU MUST KNOW

If you dont hear these words i pity you
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:51:41 AM No.508536905
>>508536780
>yes it is the separation of your statement
Good so my statement
>>508535660
>That's whst the disbelief means in the beginning. Atheism is the disbelief (active rejection)
Pertains to
>>508536780
>define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
Replies: >>508537153
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:51:54 AM No.508536922
>>508536803
is this your refusal to answer? do you feel uncomfortable defining when "human" occurs? i wonder why, atheist.
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Anonymous ID: Jozxiq4ISwitzerland
6/24/2025, 4:53:32 AM No.508537084
>>508536652
>Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Replies: >>508537263
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:54:16 AM No.508537153
>>508536905
>Good so my statement
>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
goes against the prevailing definition of atheism
>"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
the first part is correct, the second, not so much.
Replies: >>508537385 >>508539001
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 4:55:29 AM No.508537263
>>508537084
Hell is a by product of creation. In a sense, yes, God created Hell by the merit of inventing Creation.

It's like being rich then go back to being poor
Replies: >>508537732 >>508539016
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 4:56:52 AM No.508537385
>>508536922
>is this your refusal to answer?
Nope. I>>508536922
>do you feel uncomfortable defining when "human" occurs? i
Not at all. I have an answer but it's irrelevant

>>508537153
>>"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
>the first part is correct
I accept your concession
Replies: >>508537733
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 4:58:50 AM No.508537579
Awareness of existence will make the eternal Void an Absolute Hell to any soul
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 4:59:54 AM No.508537699
Religious claims are obvious bullshit you can identify by the overwhelming anthropocentric bias.

People are really stupid enough to believe everything in the universe was created as them as the main character.

Moses, Jesus and Muhammad are clear examples of this. Supposedly this figures are the lynch pin of all creation, who happen to be human figures from our recent history.

The absurdity is revealed more every day as we learn about the universe. For billions of years these figures were completely irrelevant. In a billion years they will be completely irrelevant. Why would future lifeform give a shit about an ape prophet from a billion years ago?
Anonymous ID: Jozxiq4ISwitzerland
6/24/2025, 5:00:18 AM No.508537732
>>508537263
How can you believe in God but not in the judgment? Do you think you can commit as many sins as you want but go to heaven because you believe in God?
Replies: >>508538106
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:00:18 AM No.508537733
>>508537385
>Not at all. I have an answer but it's irrelevant
do tell.
>"however the norm is to define atheism in terms of an explicit stance against theism"
>the first part is correct
>I accept your concession
unfortunately for you, the second part of your statement is not the prevailing definition of atheism.
>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
Replies: >>508537948 >>508537948
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:01:06 AM No.508537819
Being born as a blind
vs
Becoming blind as you live

The latter obviously will have a hellish times compare to the former.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:02:13 AM No.508537948
>>508537733
>>Not at all. I have an answer but it's irrelevant
>do tell.
I'm split, either at conception or birth
>>508537733
>unfortunately for you, the second part of your statement is not the prevailing definition of atheism.
Again, that's what the OR is for. More nonsense piliul from you
Replies: >>508538220
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:03:52 AM No.508538106
>>508537732
The judgement of God is pretty fair. Kicking you out of Creation, because God does not own you anything.

Don't like it? Make a new world yourself.
Replies: >>508538620
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:05:07 AM No.508538220
>>508537948
>I'm split, either at conception or birth
so according to you a baby is an atheist at either conception or birth. now what is the reasoning behind that, why conception or why birth?
>Again, that's what the OR is for. More nonsense piliul from you
the OR is against the prevailing definition of atheism, as i said. thank you for confirming what i already knew, i guess.
Replies: >>508538486 >>508538486
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:07:54 AM No.508538486
>>508538220
>>I'm split, either at conception or birth
>so according to you
More irrelevant shit lol

>>508538220
>the OR is against the prevailing definition of atheism,
Nah, it's there to encompass the gnostic and agnostic of atheism. Your definition handles the gnostic side
Replies: >>508538803
Anonymous ID: Jozxiq4ISwitzerland
6/24/2025, 5:09:34 AM No.508538620
>>508538106
That is true. Nevertheless, he gave a lot of guidelines and tips on how the judgment will probably turn out better for you. Of course, if you violate all of them or follow all of them, there is no grant for anything. Nevertheless, surely you don't want to call God dishonest or deceitful and believe his words?
Replies: >>508538886
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:11:36 AM No.508538803
>>508538486
>More irrelevant shit lol
is it? according to you a baby is an atheist at conception or birth, right? now what is your reasoning behind either?
>Nah, it's there to encompass the gnostic and agnostic of atheism. Your definition handles the gnostic side
which is against the prevailing definition of atheism. "explicit disbelief", atheism is a choice to not believe in God or gods.
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Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:12:31 AM No.508538886
>>508538620
Deception is the tool of the weak. God has no reason to lie.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:13:50 AM No.508539001
>>508538803
>>More irrelevant shit lol
>is it?
Yeah, you're just looking for.more shit to nitpick at
>>508538803
>Your definition handles the gnostic side
>which is against the prevailing definition of atheism
Now you're contradicting yourself
>>508537153
>the first part is correct
Kek.

Done and done :^)
Replies: >>508539528
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:14:01 AM No.508539016
>>508537263
You're a retard if you think think people should face infinite punishment for finite mistakes.
Replies: >>508539177
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:15:04 AM No.508539120
>>508538803
>atheism is a choice to not believe in God or gods.
What about those who can't make a choice?
Replies: >>508539294
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:15:39 AM No.508539177
>>508539016
As I said. Don't like it? Make a new creation for yourself.
Replies: >>508539516
Anonymous ID: ISTAyiqnUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:15:49 AM No.508539190
In my late 30s, been irreligious almost my entire life. Was never forced into anything by my parents, never indoctrinated. Was allowed to come to my own conclusions. I don't really know when I became an atheist, it just kind of happened organically in my life as I aged. When I was a kid I was big into astronomy and geology, the more I learned in school about science especially geology, the more I drifted away from any kind of religious thinking. I used to pray every night with my parents, I remember them kneeling at my bed and praying with me, they both came from religious families (Dad was Catholic, mom southern Baptist) but we never went to church or anything. Now decades later my parents are pretty much atheists too, at the very least agnostic / non religious, we never talk about it anyways so I don't really know what they consider themselves. Religion is just irrelevant in our lives and has been almost my entire life.

Anyways, what I remember specifically is sitting in bed when I was like 10-12 years old, closing my eyes and just thinking how unimaginably huge the universe was, how many planets there were, how many stars there were, each dot in the sky another star with planets around them, some of them having planets like Earth, that we weren't alone, it was almost mathematically impossible. Then learning geology in school learning how old the Earth was, learning about the cambrian explosion, hundreds of millions of years of life on Earth, it was just so much information that just confirmed to me how bullshit the fantasies people choose to believe are. I never needed to pray again, I could sleep with the wonder of thinking about how much else is out there in the universe.

I probably became an atheist as far as I knew what that was when I was in Young Life, having to sit there as they sang Christian songs, prayed, at the summer camps I went to, I hated it. That's what pretty much made me an unbeliever.
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:16:59 AM No.508539294
>>508539120
>What about those who can't make a choice?
i asked you about that, the mentally disabled and miscarriages or other unfortunate circumstances. you said it was irrelevant.
Replies: >>508539481
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:19:13 AM No.508539481
>>508539294
>i asked you about that, the mentally disabled and miscarriages or other unfortunate circumstances. you said it was irrelevant.
Do babies fall into this category?
Replies: >>508539724
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:19:31 AM No.508539516
>>508539177
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Show me were Hell is. You're the one who believes in it. You can't show me where it is. And I am telling you it's a stupid concept and you are stupid for believing in it. You can't even answer the question.

>b-b-b-but God just knows better
Differing the matter to your invented faerytale? Coward and peabrain. You can't justify any of it.
Replies: >>508539643
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:19:38 AM No.508539528
>>508539001
>Yeah, you're just looking for.more shit to nitpick at
articulating your reasoning and defining the foundation of your belief should not make you this uncomfortable.
>Now you're contradicting yourself
nope.
>>OR lack of belief (lacking in knowlege thus lacking in belief) in God or gods
goes against the prevailing definition of atheism. "explicit disbelief".
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Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:21:05 AM No.508539643
>>508539516
Just gouging your eyes out. Make yourself blind. That should be easy.
Replies: >>508539784
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:21:57 AM No.508539724
>>508539481
>Do babies fall into this category?
i would say so. babies are neither theist nor atheist as they have no capacity for reason, certainly not at conception or birth. neither do the mentally disabled, unfortunate souls who do not make it to this world, and any other circumstances that occur. none are atheist or theist. they do not have "an explicit disbelief" of anything.
Replies: >>508539834
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:22:02 AM No.508539734
>>508539528
>articulating your reasoning and defining the foundation of your belief
I've already done that. And every time I do you pivot to something else to find.
You're not an honest person

>>508539528
>>Now you're contradicting yourself
>nope.
Yup
>repeats another strawman
Kek
Replies: >>508540027
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:22:31 AM No.508539784
>>508539643
You have to be 18 to post here.
Replies: >>508539958
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:23:06 AM No.508539834
>>508539724
>>Do babies fall into this category?
>i would say so. babies
I don't
>babies are neither theist
So they are without theism, yes?
Replies: >>508540187
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:24:33 AM No.508539958
>>508539784
Hell = Darkness

You will see nothing.
Replies: >>508540017
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:25:08 AM No.508540017
>>508539958
Thanks for the fanfic update oh wise one
Replies: >>508540094
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:25:16 AM No.508540027
>>508539734
>I've already done that. And every time I do you pivot to something else to find. You're not an honest person.
you have not, you provide your own definition for atheism and decide that that means babies are atheist. the prevailing definition of atheism is "explicit disbelief" a choice made. babies cannot do that. your definition is not the norm. and you have nothing to support your belief because you refuse to define define it. you cannot define why a baby is considered human and therefor atheist at conception or birth, you cannot even explain why you believe that or what is the difference between either state.
Replies: >>508540163 >>508540163
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:25:55 AM No.508540094
>>508540017
It's just the Truth. No God = no creation.
Replies: >>508540261
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:26:58 AM No.508540163
>>508540027
>you have not,
I have.
>>508540027
>you provide your own definition for atheism
Actually it's the Oxfords definition

See this is what I mean about you being dishonest.

There's zeeo reason to engage further with you.
Replies: >>508540367
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:27:09 AM No.508540187
>>508539834
>I don't
ok
>So they are without theism, yes?
they are neither atheist nor theist. they are neither. you can be neither.
Replies: >>508540340
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:27:59 AM No.508540261
>>508540094
>No God = no creation
Every attribute you feel you must aspribe to God can be ascribed to the universe itself. So if you must believe in unsubstantiated speculation as a religion, the why not just day the universe is eternal and uncreated?
Replies: >>508540360
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:28:58 AM No.508540340
>>508540187
>>So they are without theism, yes?
>they are neither atheist nor theist.
Even now you still are dishonest.

If they are by default without theism then they are by default atheist. Which means
A, without, theism.

Have a nice night
Replies: >>508540437
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:29:10 AM No.508540360
>>508540261
I have seen God. The universe is nothing compare to God. God can delete the entire universe with a snap of a finger.

God > Creation
Replies: >>508540527
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:29:17 AM No.508540367
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>>508540163
>Actually it's the Oxfords definition.
is it?
Replies: >>508540786
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:30:01 AM No.508540437
>>508540340
>If they are by default without theism then they are by default atheist. Which means
A, without, theism.
incorrect. a being can be neither.
Replies: >>508540786
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:31:03 AM No.508540527
>>508540360
The idea that there is a real theoretical distinction between God and creation is also retarded. How can God create something outside himself that isn't subject to the same exact power he has over himself? It all must be God.
Replies: >>508540605
Anonymous ID: yjqigTYv
6/24/2025, 5:32:03 AM No.508540605
>>508540527
You are a retard tho. You are not the best of humanity. So, you will be nothing but a retard.
Replies: >>508541052
Anonymous ID: /649UHS4United States
6/24/2025, 5:32:09 AM No.508540612
>>508491192 (OP)
Either god doesn't exist so who cares, or he does exist and an all-knowing all-seeing creator would easily understand why a human being wouldn't believe he exists. If he couldn't understand, then he isn't all-knowing or all-seeing.
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:33:49 AM No.508540750
atheists BTFO yet again
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:34:11 AM No.508540786
>>508540367
Yup, see
>>508530065
Says the same thing
>>508540437
>A, without, theism
Is what babies are
Replies: >>508540938
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:36:08 AM No.508540938
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>>508540786
>Yup, see
>Says the same thing
but it doesn't, picrel
again a being can be neither.
Replies: >>508541184 >>508541320
Anonymous ID: czCKFRHgAustralia
6/24/2025, 5:37:35 AM No.508541052
>>508540605
I don't need to be any near the best of humanity to point out some basic and clear absurdities with religious claims. And you haven't helped resolve any of them.
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:39:19 AM No.508541184
>>508540938
>but it doesn't
Sure does
Replies: >>508541320
Anonymous ID: BwkMoAacUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:40:52 AM No.508541320
>>508541184
>Sure does
that is not what Oxford Dictionary definition says.
>>508540938
picrel, again.
>disbelief
>denial
both conscious decisions. anything else is a being that is neither atheist nor theist.
Replies: >>508541509
Ghost of Mesa ID: yfIUya/bUnited States
6/24/2025, 5:43:15 AM No.508541509
>>508541320
>that is not what Oxford Dictionary definition says.
Learn what synonymous means bud.

If you're without theism then youre an atheist. It's that simple.