The position of Rachel Reeves, Britain’s most senior finance official, was the subject of growing speculation on Wednesday after she broke into tears in Parliament.

“The rapidity of the move shows the precariousness of the UK’s debt situation. The government had planned a series of cuts to welfare and sickness benefits, but had to drastically scale them back in the face of huge opposition from backbench MPs. The watered-down changes are estimated to deliver no savings.”

I hope she cuts her wrists in the bath tonight.

>>509335028 (OP)
We are in a bizarre situation
We have a left wing government that no one really voted for
Queer Starmer knows the overwhelming majority of the public hate him and he is desperately trying to act conservative to win approval, including spending cuts like this. Except he still leads a left wing party and there are retarded commie nutters who obviously vote against spending cuts
The situation will continue to deteriorate before it gets better. But the worse things get, the more based the solution I guess

>>509335028 (OP)
>planned a series of cuts to welfare and sickness benefits, but had to drastically scale them back
means no side will aprove, all sides will hate

>>509335028 (OP)
Letting a woman be in charge of a countries bank account is insane... So she cries and everything goes to shit? You want me to call edris elba and see if the bbc can't "communicate"

>>509335028 (OP)
Wtf is that thing??

this is what happens when you try and fight britain's benniemongs

>>509335028 (OP)
>Where did all the bong money go? To many sick people!

>>509335028 (OP)
JUST FUCKING TAX THE RICH MORE, All selling bonds is doing is getting the rich to lend you money with a high interest rate, instead why don't you just take their surpluss earnings, as a government you have the power to do so.

Also stop giving £13 billion a year in subsidies to the fucking oil companies, they are the richest companies on earth they don't need our tax money given to them. Also nationalise the electric grid now, there you go budget problem solved.

>>509339514

What rich? They've all left because taxes are already too high.

>>509339514
>JUST FUCKING TAX THE RICH MORE
Doesn't work, never has

>>509335028 (OP)
gg
unironically want Sunak back as chancellor.

>>509339750
exactly, this country can NOT afford a millionaire exodus. it'd bankrupt us.

>>509339514
You have to be 18 to post here summerfaggot

>>509339514
your electric utility is owned by multiple private companies? same here, there are four major ones in my state and a handful of smaller ones

in US you would need a strong democrat base to nationalize anything, as making government smaller not bigger is the gop thing, allegedly

>>509339514
Generally speaking, you can seize every dollar of net worth of the top 5% of the highest earners of any developed country, and that would fund at most 1-2 years of a country's operating budget. Then what happens after that time elapses?
The problem in modern economies is a spending problem. Specifically excess gibs to boomers via unsustainable public pensions. This is a fact for every developed country around the globe.

>>509335028 (OP)
Women shouldn't be in politics

>>509339514
It's got nothing to do with out of control goverment projects.....

Like HS2 that has gone from £38 billion to £138 billion that is also rife with corruption

Or the £9 million a day housing illegals, or the cost to the NHS for having to provide services to these people.

And it's got nothing to do with illegals working....well......illegally and not paying tax.

We need more barbers, corner shops and taxi's

>>509339826
we barely have a country were getting a consumption tax and its going to have a different name and your days of being a tax nomad are over

we simpily cannot have a system where people can extract wealth from the nation at increasing rates with no benifit to the nation

its rediculous we all know that the goverment props up half of theese individuals anyway so not only are the people helping pay for the "millionares" the millionares are not helping the people


Also isnt she under investigation for tax fraud

>>509335028 (OP)
She looks like Merkel's retarded cousin.

>>509340482
>consumption tax
>hurr durr we cant have one of those

look if your not going to pay the tax and are going to fly around the planet but use the uk as the customer base

we are going to tax the product and your non competative business is going away that simple

their should be a consuption tax on businesses not customers but again tahts fine they will just put the product price up

no problem plenty of room for somebody else to take your position

this childish competative edge will be removed
also we will add an exit tax just like america

Post webm

>>509340841
frankly we need a millionare exedous with a 60% exit tax

they have nothing to offer

honestly we shld incentivse it close your business and leave you will not be missed

people who want to live in this country and improve it will hapily filly the gapeing maw you leave in the market while you seek to extract wealth and move to greener pastures

>>509340482

The government wont implement an exit tax for one simple reason. They all either plan to or already have taken most of their wealth out of the country. Why would they massively tax themselves?

The country is fucked. There are no more rich people to tax because taxes have been so high for so long they've all decided to leave.
There is going to be no growth, there are no new businesses popping up because the moment they do they sell to America because UK taxes are too high. Many large businesses are pulling out of the UK because taxes are too high.

When will you retards learn? The higher you raise taxes, the less tax revenue you make because at a certain point it's simply not profitable to operate in a country anymore.
The UK tax code is a fucking mess, it's over 21,000 pages long, or almost 13 times longer than the Bible. The government cannot keep trying to invent new ways to try and tax everyone to save themselves. The country is heading for a total economic collapse because how how badly they've fucked it up and trying to tax the rich is only going to accelerate things even more.

>>509340482
>the most regressive tax ever conceived
jesus christ you're already poorer than alabama, why do you hate your poor people so much

>>509341017
Delusional motherfucker over here

>>509335028 (OP)
When people have tears from their eyes but the tears don't go down the inner part closest to the noise where the ducts are, its cos they're using that chemical that induces fake tears, so this is all fake and gay and an exit strategy....also LMAO at the make up artist creating those massive bags under her eyes.

>>509341080

The UK is so fucked that the top 1% of people pay over 30% of all taxes and these retards still want them to pay more. They are so heavily taxed the UK is losing millionaires faster than any country on the planet, it's estimated this year they will lose more than even China (a country with like 20x the population of the UK).
In a few years there will be no rich people in the UK at all, and whoever remains will have absolutely no chance at all to ever dream of getting rich.

The UK doesn't hate poor people, they absolutely fucking hate rich people to the point they literally do not want anyone in the country to be rich.

>>509339514
sorry chuddy, austerity and bankruptcy for you, meanwhile 100 billion for jews in kiev, 400 billion for "covid" and god knows what else they give to those demented freaks in tel aviv

>>509335028 (OP)
They're officially starting operation/project bluebeams, UAP and UFOs are seen in skies everywhere universally, whatever you do, do not board the ships.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MBkuSFLbKgw

>>509340078
No pensions for childless women without a medical certificate they couldn’t have kids

Just print more money lol that’s what China and america do

>>509341034
>>509341080
look i hate it as much as everybody else but you cant say with a streight face its acceptable to exploit britan as a nation then take the accumulated wealth and leave

the goverment is a fuckign shambles they have ruined the nation and we are on the brink of collapse

thats a seperate issue

if somebody wants to generate wealth good if they want personal gain good the counterbalance to this equasion is that they want a good society to live in

if they can simpily focus on maximal personal gain and minimal societal gain then the country will fail

we premote far to many people whose sole goal is to extract wealth and far to few people whos goal is to build better societys

3/4 of theese millionares are simpily extracting wealth contributeing to the decline of the society at large

the goverment is a seperate issue they are beyond the pale

>>509339514
I dare say, you are a moron.

She's crying because she's the ugly sister

>>509341301
the top 1 ^ own 99% of the wealth and only pay 30% of the tax

do some fucking math

1% of the owned wealth is paying 60% of the fucking tax

no wonder everythings going to shit the maths dont fucking work

>>509335028 (OP)
Don’t know her but would give a comforting hug

>>509339514
Define "rich"

is there a video or webm of her crying in parliament?

>>509341017
No Rachel that's now how eonomic growth works

>>509339514
>just debank J.K. Rowling and confiscate and redistribute her entire Harry Potter fortune, what could go wrong?

>>509341448

Rich people contribute infinitely more to the UK than poor people do.
Infact, the top 1% of rich people contribute more than the bottom 70% of people in terms of taxes. The rich people are being taxed out of existence. They're not leaving because they've exploited the system and just want to leave, they are leaving because people like you want to take all of their money despite them contributing more than any other group already.

The fact is this, if these people even get a wiff of an exit tax, they will leave before it happens. All of them. Overnight the UK will lose over 30% of all it's tax revenue, and maybe upto 60%. The UK will collapse almost instantly if this happens.

>>509341523

This is factually wrong. The top 1% of wealthy people in the UK own 23% of wealth, but pay 30% of taxes. This means proportionally they pay more taxes than other groups.
To expand on this. The top 10% in the UK own an estimated 43-50% of wealth in the country, and they pay over 60% of all taxes.
The bottom 50% of people in the UK own 5% of the wealth and pay essentially no taxes and infact most of them massively take out of the system.

If everyone in the UK paid an amount of tax equal to the wealth they owned, which is fair, then the richest people would all pay significantly less taxes while the poorest would all pay significantly more.

>>509339514
oy vey

>>509335028 (OP)
There are rumours going around at Westminster that she actually shit and pissed herself on the frontbench. If you look at the reaction of some people around her, there might actually be something to these allegations.

>>509341990
bro depending on how you are defineing wealth sure lets pretend theese numbers are correct

they are not its a function of humanity that 1% owns 99%

anyway i dont want to take anybodys money i would be nice if they offerd it however kek

they are leaving because they can and they dont want to pay tax

its that simple

but more than that
Why is LA so sucsesful
because its a nice place to live thats why

and ill be honest if theese people leave they will not take their businesses with them its that simple

turn your factories into the sea they will be rebuilt within 10 years

how can the poorest pay tax when they cant afford to eat

>>509339750
>>509339826
I guess there's no good solution, either do and be poor or don't and stay poor, I'm in favour of bringing out the guillotines and killing every last billionaire and millionaire, the royal family too

>>509342580

You have no argument at all. You just want to take money from rich people even though they already pay a disproportionately higher amount of tax.

The numbers I posted are entirely correct, according to official government figures. You'd know that if you did even a bit of research instead of spend all day screaming tax the rich.

>>509339514
I think you have like 12000 millionaires leave your country this year

>>509342580
ill preface i hate tax it fucking sucks im poor as fuck litterly nobody wants to help me at all they just dont its fine

but pretending that we can live in a society where the goal is to extract wealth and then use the extracted wealth as a threat against the society at large is in anyway sustainable is just ludacrous

if they dont want to improve the society at large then they are not generating the wealth that society requires

and its understandable if i was rich i would be pissed of aswel you should be

but i would understand that i should be turning my wealth into makeing the world at large a better place not burning it down for personal gain

>>509342807
no argument rich people in general pay tax
fine

you are saying they will leave if we increase the tax
fine but they cant take their business with them

whats the issue here

you want rich people to have a business in britan in some capacity but pay tax in a tax exempt area

how is it sustainable tell me

tell me how its sustainable

lets skip ahead abit

lets say you dont want that you just think that will happen

ok understood it speaks to the attitude and morality of the people involved

they are useing their personal wealth as a threat to society at large

If you do X i will fuck your society up

get them out.

>>509339826
>"if you try to tax our (probably foreign) megabillions, we will leave and take all our money with us!"
>mongs actually think we should base the financial stability of our country on stateless globalists like these

>>509342980

This year it's estimated to be over 21,000. And next year it'll be even higher. By the time of the next election there wont be many millionaires left in the UK, because the UK is becoming incredibly risky to stay in as well as hostile towards rich people.

>>509335028 (OP)
Quick- bring in more brown people!!

>>509335028 (OP)
Bongs are cooked. The men are too weak, too powerless, too ineffective to coerce the change needed to save their country. They instead, blame the women as well as the wealthy and further subject themselves to authoritarian measure. Hilarious. Video related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxjJHjTLSjw

>>509343282
yea and as soon as we fix the broken laws that allow them to continue extracting profit from brittan we will begin creating this many a year instead

let them leave and retire from their business in the uk

>>509342751
>guess there's no good solution
mass remigration would be a good start

>>509343282
how many do you think would move back if they were not allowed to operate businesses in the uk after leaving?

honestly? 90%? 99%?

>>509343230

>fine but they cant take their business with them

They already are. Why do you think the UK has so few new business start ups? Why do you think all of those huge UK businesses are now owned by foreigners? The rich UK owners sold up and then left.

>>509343254

They are UK millionaires with British citizenship, and tens of thousands of them leave a year (the second most in the world by country, probably the most in the world this year).
I've know one of these "probably foreign" millionaires for a while now. He is just a fat cunt who spent 30 years of his life working in a factory, then took the money he'd saved and bought a few properties to rent out. Now he owns like 40 properties and a taxi business. He is selling all his properties and leaving because he is 65 and doesn't need to deal with the shit this country is becoming anymore when he can just go live somewhere else.

>>509343427

Those people have already paid taxes on the money they've earned. Explain how leaving the UK is "extracting profit" from Britain. Because they were born here they should be forced to live here forever regardless of how bad things get just because envious people like you don't like them?

>>509343615

Almost none of them. The UK is an insignificant market now and rapidly becoming poorer than many third world countries. Everything here is over taxed, over regulated and under performing. There is a reason almost all of the UKs tech industry got sold off to America. Because they all realized staying in the UK was fucking retarded.

>>509343676
dont be rediculous anon the aquisition model has been a wealth generating model since the monopolisation of industires in the late 70s

most buisnesses are built to be aquired

also i cant get a business loan i cant find angel investors and i cant afford the regulatory fees

thats why the acess to capital is almost zero
not to mention the regulation is profound and brutal

moreover i think i will be able to make several businesses starting in my early fucking 40;s instead of early 20's

why so few businesses lmao are you insane
the barrier to entry is rediculous and market conditions make competing unheard of hence the aquisition model of growth

>>509343936
if they leave fine no problem but they cannot continue to operate and run businesses in the uk

>>509343676
Doesn't matter where they are from, if they just up and take all their megabilions to their penthouse in the tax haven Cayman Islands as soon as the government hints that they should pay more tax on their billions, we shouldn't be basing the financial stability of the country on people like that

>>509335028 (OP)

>implement a system that's inherently insolvent as liabilities endlessly outpace the ability to bring new money into the system
>require adherents of the system to be solvent
>the ((implementers)) don't have to be solvent
>workers try to trim waste in a futile attempt to become solvent
>Recipients revolt to force workers to keep the scam system afloat
>just go further and further into debt and the (((implementers))) keep getting richer

A really ingenious self-correcting ponzi system by these scam artists I must say

>>509339044
when i was in community college, there was a girl in pre-med who would cry whenever she failed an exam or didn't know how to complete an assignment.
she was so notorious for it, that she was the topic of discussion among us STEM students despite the fact that she wasn't in any of our classes.
most of the time the professors would give her words of encouragement, but one boomer chemistry professor actually said: "don't cry; i'll do the lab for you." and then he proceeded to do her work for her.
that was 20 years ago, but i still cringe both for him & her when I remember that.
i wonder what she's up to now in her career.
i legit wanna know how far crying when things get difficult can get you in the world as a woman.

She just wanted to hurt people, ahh. Lets vote for them. Starmer the homosexual rapist who has several violent attacks on him by rent boys which he covers up with terrorism laws and his cabinet of menopausal bags who just want to do some harm.
Pic: new minister?

>>509336773
>anti-white, anti-British Labour decide to cut bennies from sick and disabled Brits instead of all the freebie handouts they give to illegal immigrants who shouldn't be entitled to a penny from this country in the first place

>>509344036

Then what should we base it on? Taxing the poor? How about we just make it a flat tax, everyone pays 33% of anything they earn in taxes, plus 20% VAT on any money they spend, no exceptions to either of these.

That is what you want? You want it so someone on minimum wage should be paying about £4000 in taxes plus an additional £1600 VAT when they spend the money they're allowed to keep.

Rich people are the reason the UK is even surviving right now. They disproportionately pay more than any other group of people. How do you suggest we change this so we're not reliant on rich people?

>>509340848

>make £1700 per month
they tax me 200 of that leaving me £1500

I make like £18,000 a year and I'm 29, should I just shoot my...oh wait.

>>509344294

Turns out they've been buying all the invaders gaming laptops. Over 20,000 of them have arrived this year, and each one of them is getting a £2000 laptop on top of everything else we give them.

>>509344301
we should base it upon the stability of the nation and society at large

obviously...
this should not even be a question
the power is the consumer purchaseing power and the ability for people to meet the needs of said consumers and or drive society forward at large

this is basic shit

PARLIAMENT
>”The vast majority of migrants to the UK have never done so much as one single days work here”.
REALITY
They all work but pay no taxes and nobody goes after them.
There are 50 fast food places in my small town, zero accept anything but cash. They do door dashing, taxi driving and car washes AND PAY NO TAX and DRAW ALL BENEFITS.

>>509344436
not rampant profiteers with no care for the consumer or the society from witch they derive profits

like holy fuck

>>509344146
Fucking women can barley be nurses let alone all the other useless shit they got tricked into thinking they wanted.

ALL NON ANGLO SAXONS LIVE ENTIRELY TAX FREE
AND GET ALL BENEFITS WHIKE WORKING
everyone knows it is not concealable BUT THEY PRETEND they don’t know.

>>509344429
its keeping your taxes down bud dont worry about it you can leave anytime anyway

>>509344408

You'll be paying a whole lot more taxes than that if rich people keep leaving.

Also I'm gonna bet you pay a fuck load more than £200 a month tax. If you live anywhere you're probably paying council tax. If you spend your money you are paying VAT. If you have a car because you need to drive to work, you're paying road tax.

I believe the actual tax burden in the UK is something like 35% when you add it all up. That means 35% of everything you earn is in one form or another lost to taxes.

>>509336773
Since when have you believed that you get to decide what kind of government you get to have?

HOLY FUCK A FLEEING MILLIONAIRE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

Why's she crying? Cause she doesn't get to take money from the sick and elderly? Or was the outcome that they do get money taken from them, and she's doing tears to escape backlash?

i hope the government fucking crashes and nobody wants to want come to this country. i look for work in my shitty dead city and the first thing they talk about are visas and where the nearest airport is. fucking sick of the contractor middle manager project lead types running things. its pure hell here.

>>509344520

>Every rich person is a rampant profiteer only looking out for themselves and making everything worse for the rest of us

What is it with the hatred of rich people in the UK? Well it wont matter because soon you wont have rich people in the UK. And then people like you will have to make up the shortfall from all the lost taxes those rich people paid.
I hope you enjoy contributing 50% of your earnings to the inland revenue every month.

>>509344301
That's just stupid, why even post that? There are tonnes of savings the government can make, like every single penny that goes to illegals for a start. Also stopping non-Brits from using our NHS for """free""". Also why are we sending billions to Ukraine and Israel when our own country is supposedly bankrupt?

Basing the financial stability of the country on stateless individuals who will just run off to Monaco at the first mention of tax is just building your house on sand

>>509344408
Mate I make 90k and I'll be lucky if I see 40k after the gov has had their fun with my cheque

>>509335028 (OP)
This was crazy.

Leader in the middle who is a total failure as a leader. whos broken his aligence to serve the british public lost control his party. People are fed up his lies his U turns his support of globlisation and treason towards the country he suppose serve.

To left him his human sheild who lied on her Cv to get her job looks like she not slept for week has tears rolling down her knowing she cant ballance the books and spend spend with out more tax on those that work.

On Right smerking grining lady with probley a london knife in her hand bag ready to strike and take the leaders place.

This was surrel

>>509344917
i love rich people i really do i have nothing against them

but if your answer to a tax is to litterly completely leave the society you are in then your atachment to said society is clearly soely motivated by profit

super rich people are some of the few i have inetactions with that are increadibly benificial to me i would not be here today without super rich people

>>509344893
>the first thing they talk about are visas and where the nearest airport is.

Unironically the way things used to be, lad.
There'd be an office on the high street where youd sell your house, and it'd be the same office selling you a new life overseas.

Not saying it's a good thing, but it's not a new thing.

honestly i dont even mind rampant profiteers i respect the fucking grind i would also stop them kek but i mean its impressive in its own way

you simpily will not (and we boderline dont) have a society if it continues

its not sustainable
the entire society will be destoried
and to greater and lesser extents has been destoied

>>509344146
Boomers are the biggest simp generation. I bet he passed her with an A+ and she went on to get a successful career that pays more than the students who actually did their work

Okay I caught up with the story now.
>Woman in role thinks she can balance the books by taking benefits from spackers and old ladies
>Everyone else having none of it
>Asking for her to be sacked
>Knows she's gonna be sacked, cries
>Turns out they brought a woman in to fix the problems the last woman PM caused, and she's fucked it up worse

Accelerate desu

>>509344942

The rich people are paying for all of those things. You think you get an NHS without the 60% taxes the rich people are paying?
This year the government is estimated to generate £1.2 trillion from tax revenue. The top 10% will pay about £720 billion of that.

The NHS costs around £210 billion a year to run. That would be almost half of the taxes the government raises a year without rich people. You honestly think they can do this and run the rest of the country?

>>509345060

And why do you think rich people are not contributing? They pay taxes when they earn money, like everyone else. Infact they probably pay more taxes because they are rich.
If they have paid taxes on their money, why shouldn't they be allowed to take it out of the country? Why do you think they have to keep it in the country and watch a portion of it vanish every year for no reason?

>>509344917
>What is it with the hatred of rich people in the UK?
The inequality maybe? There is a reason they are called the megarich 1%. The other 99% get to scratch around in the dirt for crumbs. The current version of their "trickle-down economics" is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

>>509339514
government spend £1.3 trillion a year while taking back £1.1trillion

>>509342751
Greed is a necessary evil, you need to encourage and reward it if you want to prosper

Leftists and thinklets can't wrap their head around this because they perpetually see the world in terms of victims and oppressors, poor = good, rich = bad

Taxing the wealthy simply encourages them to fuck off to another country with better incentives and investment potential

>>509345369
now that society is in dire need the suposed best of us The Wealthy rather than fight for their and our society as their station should demonstrate

are attempting to flee.....

Also basically non of this matters to me so its kind of whatever lmao

>>509335028 (OP)
>female politicians

>>509340841
>>509341017
Neither of you can spell.

>>509345482

But the UK is actually not that inequal, infact rich people pay more than their fair share.
The top 1% of people in the UK own 23% of the wealth and pay 30% of all taxes.
The top 10% own around 43-50% of all wealth and pay 60% of all taxes.
The bottom 50% of people own 5% of the wealth and essentially pay no taxes.

The richer you are in the UK, the more taxes you pay proportional to your wealth. That is how the tax system in the UK is set up. For every £100 a rich person earns, he pays £45 in taxes, while for every £100 a poor person earns, he pays nothing in taxes.

>>509345482
>and the poor get poorer
Gee i wonder why that is. Must be those bloddy billionairs

>>509345505
So the solution is to build a system that lets people exercise their greed with impunity for the sake of "civilization/peace"? (IE: What we have now?)

>>509345461
lets not get into semantics im not saying they are not contributeing at all but by and large they are not pushing society forwards in faverable directions we can all agree on that even they would

not that anybody really knows whats best


and they should i fully supourt the right to leave at anytime

but you cannot leave and then continue to extract wealth from the financial system
thats obvious nobody should disagree with that

again it speaks to the mindset
>i will go to x place extract as much wealth as possible and then move to y place

if you want to do that you should be allowed but it should be known thats what you have done

its like transporting tyres to another country to burn instead of paying propper waste management fees

its just scumbag behaviour should it be illegal i dont think so take the money and leave the gap in the market for somebody hopefuly better to fill

but make it known your a scumbag

>>509339514
> tax the rich
This is the UK my indian friend, there aren't any

>>509335028 (OP)
>>509339514
I have the solution to all our worries: scrap income tax and increase VAT & add it to everything.

You'd instantly increase the amount of money everyone can spend, reward savers and modest spenders, and take more money from the rich whenever they buy something.

>>509345641
great observation einstein now 2 sugars if you would good sir.

>>509345505
Oh, but leftists don't oppose greed or wealth.
They oppose YOU having wealth. They intend to sit at the top and seize the means of production, "for the people" of course. They'll live in luxury off of your labor as your betters. And you get "equality" and "justice."

>>509345752
That's just taxes though, it doesn't take into account the never ending "cost of living" crisis. The millionaires/billionares can pay huge amount of tax and still buy themselves a yacht. The poor can pay little to no taxes and still struggle to pay their heat/light/grocery bills

Realistically, how can Keir fire her without her going on to kill herself or do something dramatic of that nature? He's just fucked, I think he knows that firing her will be admitting fault and causing one of the biggest political scandals of recent times so he's just been forced to cuck out and allow her free reign.

You just know that they filthy to her behind the scenes, gaslighting, threatening, etc.

>>509335028 (OP)
you could seize the uk's entire gdp and it would only fund three years of government budget at best
there is simply no amount of tax that can fill the hole created by those spending habits

>>509345752
When people say The Rich in the UK, it's not about income, it's about class. Impoverished upper classes would still be hated for what they inherently are.

>>509344968
here they fuck you over in non income taxes too, council tax etc, cost of living and paying these other taxes and basic bills is too high

there is nothing more left to take from the average worker, country is broke

>>509341017
>Start a new government.
>Codify the doctrine of its ethical/philosophical foundations
>Hold / be held to that code
>Things are working nicely.
>Start to get complacent and compromise for The Greater Good™
>Become fully incompetent and corrupt.
>Notice you are a worthless bureaucracy of losers.
>WeakMenMakeBadTimes.jpg
>Oh well, as long as we keep the lights on. <-- We are here.
>We can't afford to keep the lights on anymore.
>Quick, tax the only people left that we haven't robbed into poverty. <-- This is where you want to go.
>They just leave.
>The real shit starts.
>Revolution
>Start a new government.
>Codify the doctrine of its ethical/philosophical foundations

>>509339750
Even a 1% increase would make them shake in their boots

>>509345919

>lets not get into semantics im not saying they are not contributeing at all but by and large they are not pushing society forwards in faverable directions we can all agree on that even they would

The reason for this is the government though. Do you even understand just how many laws, rules, regulations and so on you have to follow to operate in the UK? It makes it both insanely complex to do, and also insanely expensive.

If I want to buy a new TV and my choices are, pay £500 and get a new TV, or fill in 20 forms, hire 5 people to check the TV and make sure it meets all the necessary regulations and then pay £5000 for the TV, why would I ever pick the second option? No one would.
But that is what operating a business in the UK is like. The UK is an incredibly hostile company to operate a business.

>>509335028 (OP)
>The rapidity of the move shows the precariousness of the UK’s debt situation.
Who are they in debt to?

>>509346179
I'm British, honestly mate, council tax is gay as fuck, I know. I just mean it's actually worse over here.
I pay nearly 30k a year to get NHS level care.
I have been to a doctor twice in 5 years, still paying more than I made back home to keep the rotten business afloat.

I know it's bad though. How far does 1500 go right now?

Quite frankly, majority of the politicians in the UK are very fortunate they haven't been dragged out of their houses and hung from lamp posts. I think they're completely out of touch with how angry this country is

>>509346211
You forgot the part where the government doesn't let you leave.
Because they have the guns and the prisons.
So maybe they say "you want to leave our glorious utopia? We'll take all your possessions as a tax for leaving" and they do this with a gun in your face.
What collapses is the facade of the people's liberty and rights. That's how the government keeps the lights on and stays in power.

>>509341017
>People who have more than me should be robbed at knifepoint to fix my life
Gay

People over 90 should be killed off.
Non verbal autistics and downies should be killed off.

>>509346436
Yeah, we all saw how that worked out after the mass stabbing incident of the little kids.
We all know that there's no will to fight back in the UK. Don't kid yourself.

>>509335028 (OP)
The whole aging West is in a bind, anon. If they default on the debt a ton of people lose everything. If they keep printing currency to pay the debt they risk creating more political parties that know about Jews and their multi thousand year currency control. If the keep mass immigration going the new citizens learn quickly about how currency is issued and demand control over the power as reparations. They can cut old people benefits to extend the grift a few more years, if that doesn't trigger a revolt. Thus, crying is all they can do. You can hear her screaming out a sob in her mind. "Nooooooo. Nooooooo. Why couldn't I be born during the lush times!? How could God do this to me!?"

Keep hammering the power to issue currency. That power is the piece of the puzzle you are missing.

>>509346407
>I know it's bad though. How far does 1500 go right now?

probably just about covers rent (very lower end), council tax, water, gas and electric

you're fucked if you want to travel or eat though

Yeah, cutting off aid to Mohammad's rape victims sounds pretty cruel.

>>509344942
>There are tonnes of savings the government can make, like every single penny that goes to illegals for a start. Also stopping non-Brits from using our NHS for """free""". Also why are we sending billions to Ukraine and Israel when our own country is supposedly bankrupt?
bit racist, innit?
that's literally what they think.

>>509339514
Why won't the rich just leave?

>>509346407

In the UK £1500 is fuck all. I worked it out recently and just to exist in this country I have to pay out around £25,000 a year.
That pays for rent, council tax, bills and groceries. Nothing else.

If I earned £50,000 a year, I'd instantly lose over £12,000 of it to taxes, then another £25,000 I would need to pay out just to exist. Meaning I'd keep £12,000 of the £50,000 I earn. (And remember, anytime I spend any of that £12,000 another 20% of it vanishes, so really I'm getting to keep maybe £9600 of it for myself)

And I live in a very small town where rent is cheap. If I lived in London my rent would be 250-300% higher and then I'd not even be able to survive on a £50,000 a year wage.

>>509346599
That's how it starts.
"They are killing other people. It's not my problem"
Until they get around to you.
And they always get to you eventually.

>>509341684
No, it's fake rageb8

>>509346794

Well the UK will soon have a right to die (what they call euthanasia). It wont be a large jump for that to change into an obligation to die.

>>509335028 (OP)
woman moment

>>509346513
They're actually doing that now with propaganda and psyops.
"There's no where else to go, its bad everywhere"
If they start doing it without the facade, guns to your face, no illusion of liberty and rights, its pretty much revolution days as far as history will remember it, because that's when the body count starts.

In the last 40 years this country has given away 250billion GBP in foreign aid.

>>509347109

That's nothing compared to what we've given to immigrants in benefits (including free NHS treatment).

>>509346407
>How far does 1500 go right now?
Depends entirely on where you live. In London that's a miserable existence in a flatshare, outside of London it's probably just about enough to live alone and cover the essentials but nothing amazing.

I needed to earn about £70,000 to live alone in London in a decent area and not worry about bills while still having a good cash buffer.

>>509347109
We're bottom of every list and service, treated as 2nd class citizens and discriminated against in our own country.

>>509346436

Well and until you actually do that they will have no idea and continue going to their cocaine parties.

kek remember what happened last time they tried to cut spending (Liz Truss)

>>509347109
Now that’s a right jolly good rodgering

>>509347218

These days £1500 a month in a small town will get you a miserable existence. I just had a look, where I live the cheapest flats I can find are about £600 a month. That is a tiny ass 1 bedroom flat
You'll be paying another £80 a month council tax on top of that. Gas and electric will run you maybe £70-100 depending on the time of year. Sewer and water are another £50 a month. And groceries you could probably get away with £40 a week if you're on rations.
If you want extras like a phone, internet or have a car then you're gonna be adding even more.

But at minimum you're paying £1000 or so a month to live in a tiny one bedroom flat and subsist of the cheapest food possible. It's pure misery to even think of living like this.

>>509347507

>>509344893
>i hope the government fucking crashes
Replace with who.
Problem we have is there are no strong, capable politicians waiting in the wings. The quality of politician we are getting is just getting lower and lower. Farage is not it either.

>>509347594
The US gave away 2.2 trillion USD

Damn it must suck to be such a principled politician who wants to end 'disabled' parasites from abusing the system and yet gets attacked so viciously by the press and other politicians
They don't know how much fake disabled people are sucking up the public coffer it's ridiculous

>>509347264
The plight of whites in the 21st century. The traitors whitin did far more damage than any standing army ever could.

>>509339514
>>509339514
>>509339514
WHY
ARE BRITS
SO FUCKING UGLY XD

Wouldn't it be better just to imprison the white British and get them out of the way of the rich British and innovative foreigners?

>>509346589
kek thats not what im saying but i mean now that you mention it thats still not what im saying kek

>dont want to make the world/society a better place
>dont be rewarded for it

is the ethos

but its just an argument about whats better
the fact that we are failing on even basic tasks tells the tale however

>food is fucked
>houseing is fucked
>water is .... kind of fucked


so on the list of essential human needs we are drastically failing at the first 3

thats retarded and anybody who disagrees is a fucking retard

>>509335028 (OP)

BUT YOU HAVE RAJEETS
YOU HAVE
THE CEOS... SARRRR

>>509347916
They have got to accept that they have no chance of success when they look like that. Best they could hope for is a Hindu or Muslim to impregnate their daughters and hopefully the hybridization pushes their society forward.

>>509348019
There are white British?

>>509335028 (OP)
Appointing women in cutting spending.

>>509347857
we made them buy fords and f-15s with that money

>>509339514
they will just leave the country retard.

>>509348095
>>509348095
>>509348095
THEY WON
WWII EVERYONE
RESPECT SOCIETY XDDDDD

>>509348164
>>509348164
>>509348164
RESPECT
THE
WAHMEN

Imagine if their ancestors weren't all faggy pussies and they didn't get their asses handed to them by our rag tag patriots. They would have had control of the greatest piece of land on earth. Now look at em. Kek. They don't deserve to be a first world country.

>>509343427
or you could identify key markets and nationalize them. Energy, transportation, education are the big 3.

>>509347609
Yeah I don't disagree with you there, the standard of living here in general is absolute dogshit when stacked against the cost of it.

I know rent and taxes are a pain in every country, but the amount we pay here versus what we see in return is genuinely abysmal.

>>509343615
>how many do you think would move back
None

>>509347879
PIP is a disgrace that the Tory party created. That Nigger cunt Kemi Baidnocher had the nerve to brag about the Tory welfare reforms which created this cesspit of fake spastics driving their PIP wagons.

>>509346179
>country is broke
you're just retarded, quintessentially british

>>509347879
This is a retarded debate and you've fell for the meme. Their spiel is "Welfare bill is too high, we need to reduce it". Okay, but that doesn't take into account what a cesspit the country is does it, nor does it protect the genuine people being fucked over in the process. In the UK = genuine people fucked over; scum continue to play the system and nothing changes. If the NHS wasnt a disgrace, would as many people be claiming disability. If the population grows, so will government bills. If the population growth is mainly from those going straight onto welfare, that must be taken into account also. Then there is government financial waste, which is mind boggling. There is a long list. Every government is basically robbing peter to pay paul

Nearly everyday I wake up and think about how bad of a historic fuck up the British made by losing America so easily. Their island can't support a modern society. They have no resources besides fish and Gordon Ramsey. They lost out on billions of acres of resources. They deserve this.

lmao maybe you shouldn't have given all that aid to ukraine

>>509348254
i suppose it's a step up after having a nigger handling their finance.

>>509348411
maybe i think we are a little past that atm anon

education needs serious attention but again we will see about that in 10 years

transportation will be revolutionised in our lifetime that should be ok depending on shit

energy and regulation should be a massive focus we need to fix our energy and regulate it so that its not fucked

the goverment tends to overspend and underpreform at every opertunity

somehow i slipped through the cracks of them throwing endless amounts of money at whatever walks into their office kek

the way you balance things is 2 party systems normally

we need people who understand this balanceing act and can leverage it to work in the regulatory and inovation spaces

nationaliseing things can be nice but the vast majority (me included) are terminal under-acheavers

>>509344348
Was she out of tea or something?

MAKE NON ANGLO SAXONS PAY THEIR TAXES
Stop giving benefits to fully employed tax dodging migrants who are “THE VAST MAJORITY” officially.
>the vast majority of migrants to this country have never done a single days work here
*Parliament, repeatedly stated.
But they DO work and everyone onows it but nobody does anything to make them pay taxes AND IT IS A DELIBERATE POLICY.
Of cunts like the spire filled labour pedophile hags crying because they just wanted to hurt people a lil’ more.

>>509348675
yes, no country will ever nationalize anything because it takes balls but that's the proper way of doing things.

Food, housing, living costs should not be run for profit by private companies.

>>509348780
>spire
*spite, rather. A spite filled menopausal woke lunatic ‘child’ of big brother.

I've got a money saving idea: Privatize the NHS.

>>509348931
>privatize
saving money

>>509348780
Hey British government or whatever you are called. Don't listen to this guy he's a retard. Check his license to post.

>>509348958
If the NHS was run by the private sector then the UK government could reduce the budget by 20% overnight.

Increased competition in healthcare would lead to an improvement of healthcare services inside of Britain.

>>509348874
Yeah britishes. What you want to do is give your government ( well shit you have no say in it hahahaha) that has failed power over your industries and that will solve this.

>>509348874
we need a basic standard of this for sure

we can have a 2 tier system

Basic standard of food houseing water (minor living expenses)

then the actual retal marketplace that overlays it

like a global safteynet

yes its a comunist idea
no your reason for why we are not doing it is not good

this should of happend 100 years ago in an effort to create better sustainable societys

what the fuck are we the human race doing if we do not seek to alivate theese most basic of burdens from our bretheren

BUT WHO WILL PAY FOR IT

Planned obsolecence could not exist in this society at this basic level

time to break out the 100 year lightbulbs.

>>509349152
im not saying give everybody a mansion im saying give them a 1bed 1bath 1kitchen
fucking basic wifi maybe food and water

that should not even be a discusion

>>509349152
>yes its a comunist idea
it's really not, it's nationalistic if you want to categorize it politically.

>>509335028 (OP)
As it turns out, nothing to do with the economy. She (and it would seem Liz Kendall from the fact she is clearly visible not in her seat trying to get at him before PMQs starts) had a row with Sir Lindsay Hoyle. Aka Mr Speaker.
They were presumably either trying to get a specific amendment on something chosen, or not chosen more likely, but that is in the realm of speculation. The Speaker has the power under Erskine May Standing Order No.32 to choose.

Sources in the Speaker's office say that he did actually apologise to her afterwards. Mr Speaker is originally from Chorley, yanks won't understand the significance of this but it implies a certain level of plain speaking brusqueness bordering on constant rudeness.

>>509347609
Yes it's shit here. With all of the deano builds and increased traffic it's reached a point where you can't even go for a quiet walk when you do get some time off work. Driving's now expensive and there's too many cunts on the road anyway. Shit way of life. What's the point of it? 80 years of this just to die in some crap hospital surrounded by foreigners. It's only going to get worse aswell. I hope I get hit by a lorry soon.

>>509341371
Nice kite.

>>509348561
Maybe they should stop wasting money on putting illegal aliens in fucking hotels and send them back to France. If it were up to me I'd have the royal navy patrolling the channel and shooting any unauthorised boat heading towards the island.

>>509335028 (OP)
The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.
There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

The Great Reset is inevitable.

This country is genuinely fucked beyond repair and can only be solved with overwhelming violence from whites.

> open invasion from browns
> muslims are protected class with rape gangs
> working class whites doing worse than ever compared to every other group
> politicians are actively fucking the country even harder while they argue in their ivory commons.

i hate it here, i hate being alive as a poor white in the worst possible time period to be in the UK. Not to mention ive been unemployed for nearly a year because im in competition with the 3rd world that's been imported.

>>509348603
What makes you so sure that America isn't controlled by London?

>>509349409
Or reading around, another view is that its not about an amendment, he just gave her a telling off the statement yesterday which she and Kendall did not appreciate.

Broadly speaking ever since the late 80s the Speaker has struggled to ensure announcements are done in the House of Commons, not to the media first (this may sound odd to foreigners but in theory the House is supposed to hear of everything first). Started with late period Thatcher in earnest but obviously every government since Major and Blair has completely and utterly ignored this. Mainly because announcements in the House expose you to a completely hostile uncontrolled environment where nobody can help you if it kicks off.

>>509335028 (OP)
Remember, the kikes stole everything from you through fractional reserve lending. Every bit of inflation you pay is a direct wealth transfer to thieving kikes. Their ownership of everything around you was paid for by you. Take it all back, it was always yours anyway.

>>509349718
>only be solved with overwhelming violence
i offer an easier, effortless solution.
Step 1, you stop bring in retarded subhumans.
Step 2, you cut off all aid to the existing subhuman retards
Step 3, you start deporting them forcibly

the remaining subhumans will take a hint and leave on their own.
It's basically what trump does when he's not sucking jew dick.

>>509336773

Who is that jolly Saxon in the gif?

Just let the small boats keep coming. Let them come. Let the UK become a shithole infested country. Let. It.
Tired of people not seeing it, it needs to come to their communities. Posh twats deserve their little parishes to have 600 unvetted men come in. Not just working class areas. Fuck it. People need to see what they voted for. They need to SEE it

>>509341034
>>When will you retards learn? The higher you raise taxes, the less tax revenue you make
Because it's not about raising money it's about enslaving people, it's how they worship their black god

>>509350001
believe me i would love nothing more than to see them shot in the water.

unfortunately every party that has gotten into power has just increased third world subhuman imports. Fuck even Reform is just controlled opposition and already kicked out the one MP who was strong against all forms of migration.

Many are being to realize their simply is not a peaceful solution to the UK's problems. Our people will soon have to make a choice, rebel or die.

>>509335028 (OP)

miss me yet MAYOS ??? I MOGGED AS CHANCELLOR !

>>509350339
many are beginning *

>>509339826
Millionaire exodus is already underway in the UK. Look it up.

>>509350339
yea i agree, i know that dance, it's the political dance of dancing in the same spot while pretending you are doing shit.

Politicians must understand that the only reason they exist is to better the citizens life, if it takes violence to realize this, then so be it.

>>509339514
Your mindset is why this country is going down the shitter.

>>509339826
nobody said you shouldnt tax the ultra rich, but if you do know they will leave.
I'd tax them regardless, fuck you, suffer.

>>509350523
Exactly. The rich are the ones doing all the fucking work and paying for everything. It's fucking insane to push them away.
The poor are the leeches, they are the ones who should be punished for being economically inactive.

>>509350583
That's why you live in a pooor shithole with no wealth, you just want free gibs because communism brainfried your gippo nation. fucking poorfag. imagine demanding my cash at gunpoint just because you never learnt to code.

>>509350523
mate working class whites are barely holding on and are doing worse than every other group on the metrics.

we need to tax the rich into oblivion AND deport all the brown subhumans

>>509335028 (OP)
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA Glad I bought gold and crypto you fucking faggots.

>>509350683
> be white poor
> no opportunity
> job givern to third worlders
> never accepted into uni

yeh sure bro, keep blaming poor whites. i hope a raghead rapes your wife and daughter you posh prick.

>>509350728
>blaming browns because you're a bruch toothed crackhead with autism
go get a fucking job, sad act

So you can't tax the rich, supposedly (cus they're greedy nigger kike faggots), what about this then
Only citizens can own property
Tax additional properties +30%, an additional +30% per property
Why not?
Also make a gov app linked to biometrics and 2FA have option to pay taxes in there and allocate to whatever you want, all on defense? Fine. All on bennies? Fine. Rnhs? Go on lad.
Then make it so anyone can write up policy and if it's liked enough efforts have to be made to make it reality. Like petitions but better, actual democracy and representation.
Why is that a dumb idea?

>>509350728
lulz you fags voted for this. Ill just hide my assets and fuck off. You faggots called me a racist bigot 20 yrs ago. Reap what you have sewn.

Taxing the rich is another retarded idea. God help us in this country. Our only hope is we survive until the next general election and people are intelligent enough to never vote for labour the conservatives ever again.

>>509341448
Are you fucking 3 anon? What do you think all the red squiggly lines under your words when you type mean?

>>509341448
right

>>509350856
translation:
>have dumbfuck failures of parents
>cba to take up the multitude of support services the gov offers
>can't compete with literal 3rd world hobos with sandals
>couldn't hack fucking 6th form
just transition and rope you useless piece of shit. i'd rather a raghead than homeless fucks like you.

>>509350875
you don't have the military power to do that. The jihadis will make your streets red with blood. Hilarious how clueless you britcucks are.

>>509350683
But you're english.
Your country looks like the early 90's romania after the fall of communism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQSnA_CakyY

>>509350858
DO NOT REDEEM THE NEEDFUL SIRS, stop posing as a white english ranjeet.


>>509350858
>>509350887
>>509350976
you faggots aren't canadian or english, and when you are deported back to India we will nuke the shit out of it.

>>509336773
Bold of you to assume that the situation will get better.

>>509350856
Traitor's like the guy you are replying to get the bullet first.

>>509350976
>cba to take up the multitude of support services the gov offers

you mean that service they offer to BAMES exclusively?

>>509351078
true, but im still not putting it past being some larping pajeet. You see them in brit pol from time to time, trying to shit on poor whites and saying how much they love browns.

>>509350992
>trotting out that one same tired video
it's called being capital of the world. something you'll never know. London attracts every nationality because it's the place to be. hard working indians are commonwealth citizens. Romanians don't even have a culture - they just larp as gypsies and romans.

>>509351035
Lulz stfu, I'm whiter and ballsier than you britfag. Your country is a shadow of itself and you only have yourselves to blame.

Sad wittle neowiberal didn't get her ickle benny cuts in she's been masturbating over for a decade or more?
awwwwwe what a shame, she gonnae go she is, she's getting the sack and awwlll those cwuel ickle wight wing memes about being fae accounts when she could have just joined the conservative party to begin with.

Here's a hint Reeves. Streeting. Starmer. Kendall et all neoliberal monsters like Yang, Kinnock Jr, Benn Jr, Cooper, Mahmood.
You could, just go to the party you belong in. David Cameron opened the doors for you, long ago. Boris may have attempted a purge, but he ran that purge in 2019, the gates were open for you there and you likely would have survived.

Cry more. Hope the markets crash. Hope every single HENRY in the UK gets what they deserve because ultimately if your 5 billion of proposed savings were wiped out in spending in other areas before the policy went forward, after the policy was implemented and you spent all of your political capital to do so: you're just not very good at politics. Probably, because you somehow joined the wrong fucking party. Wear the right tie, you fools.

>>509344348
Fucks sake.

>>509350339
I just don't understand what the plan ever was supposed to be with that. Orders from Brussels? Well, they'd still need to help foot the bill in some capacity, if they want it to carry on. Crash the economy with no survivors? They could have fucked it up worse already. Actually altruistically trying to help? Well there should have been a better plan than what's apparently in place right now, because they've made a right dog's dinner of it. May as well nationalise all the energy suppliers and cut a deal with Russia at this point. At least that's in character just Labour things. No wonder she's crying.

>>509351179
oh yea,larping jeets are ingenious they vpn post to start fights between meds and nords, italians vs europe... france vs europe.

Whatever it takes us not to talk about their diseased people.

London needs to go full Singapore. 0 regulations, cheap Indian and Chinese construction firms making skyscrapers everywhere, neon lights, and low tax.
An 8million population is dogshit for a financial capital. Real cities in 2025 need 20mil+

>>509335028 (OP)
Doesn't matter how much you increase taxes. The government will just squander it over to leftist grifts, criminal corruption and inefficiency. If there is no impetus to cut spending massively it is better that the system collapses completely so that a sustainable non-communist system can be implemented.

>>509351188
looks like one nationality to me all brown subhuman leeching subhuman retards.

>>509339514
This is very anti-semitc.

>>509345900
The solution is for the government to stop wasting money (ie giving it to lobbyists who then pay them a portion of it).

>>509350683
Upper class anglos really are the worst people

>>509351395
Let me guess, you're some confederate (i.e. who wanted unlimited immigration) who hates black people because you're jealous of their build?

What this country “needs” is a shower of Russian atom bombs down upon it.

It's fine, we'll just have to buy fewer nuclear-armed jets.

>>509351327
Browns profit when we are fighting amongst ourselves, the greatest thread to their existence is whites getting organized.

At the end of the day, if your cabinet is howling in Parliament, you need to get some other people in who have more experience, won't be overwhelmed, and who have some new and different ideas.

>>509351487
>you're jealous of their build?
yea, you're indian.
>>509351572
you we're right, he was indian.
Native english speakers dont have that flow of words. Not if they think in english.

>>509351377
you've done him in mate, its not hard to make the pajeets expose themselves.

>>509339044
She's not even in charge of it...
This is why the markets can turn. New Labour embraced the free market by allowing the bank to go independent. The conservatives COULD have reigned it in but Osborne had no desire to and none of the other chancellors other than Kwarteng would have reason to. Labour could have done it, Reeves had to make up insane fiscal rules to make things pass along with a commitment to "not raise taxes" while there's also a tax band freeze in action.

That leads to austerity, for a country trying to recover from 14 years of austerity, you've got some things to fix, you may want to raise some money, or borrow. Instead they spent at the wrong end, had to find cuts, can't borrow, had to dial back the fiscal rules, go after a portion of their core voterbase and an issue that's bipartisan in an area that had already been cut to shreds and was deemed the worst in Europe.

If she actually had control of the bank, if they'd deemed to go against the neoliberal new labour mantra that wants to be the conservatives but more fucked in the head and bleeding more voters in an attempt to win absolutely nobody over: She could have controlled the currency fluctuations, set interest rates, prevented panic bond buying like we saw under Truss/Kwarteng.

But, she's a neoliberal ninny who idolises her conservative trainer Osborne and has committed to doing a 1997 tribute act. It's not fucking 1997 anymore. Gordon Brown would realise this, Brown would also realise that the benefit cap on child benefit was also a terrible idea, he'd roll back the bedroom tax because it didn't really save any money and got him spitroasted.
She's not smart enough to realise that pulling away from "the invisible hand of the free market" solves a good chunk of her problems.

>>509351395
true, upper class english are fucking insufferable. Working class and some of the middle class are the actual english.

Rich brits are inherently jewish in nature.

>>509351830
Whenever I stayed in England they were salt of the earth people. The (((upper class))) needs to go.

>>509351487
>Let me guess, you're some confederate (i.e. who wanted unlimited immigration) who hates black people because you're jealous of their build?

>>509351947
ah yes, the salt of the earth

>>509351947
lack of wealth breeds humbleness and sometimes chavvy behavior.

our country has a huge class problem in that rich toffs shove their noses up at poor whites while licking the anus of mudslimes and other third worlders.

>>509351737
do you guys use I.E. for examples ? i dont think that's a thing in the english education system, i know it's e.g. . Yea, english is fun and has it's own slang, like "done him in". They get exposed whenever they type "o" instead of "ou" like in honor vs honour, color vs colour etc.

>>509352082
>humbeleness
noone has ever accused them of that

>>509335028 (OP)
She already got my family so now I go after her family and many other MPs and ROYAL RAT PEDO SCUMBAGS...

DIE TO ALL UK ROYALS AND MPs....

When will you die of your CANCER you UGLY TWATS...HURRY UP AND DIE CUNTS..

>>509351487
talk to me jeet what's going on.

Female politicians constantly fucking CRYING in Parliaments is so fucking pathetic, it's been a massive trend for female politicians since like 2016.
Have you ever seen a guy fucking break down sobbing in Parliament? No, but you have woman politicians constantly weaponizing this to get sob "uwu i'm being bullied" points. The hilarious thing is that all these women would probably call themselves strong female feminists.

>>509352313
crying should get you a prison sentence if you're a woman.

>>509351830
The classism of the upper class brits is straight up oriental. There's an idea that when you get involved in insurgencies overseas what happens in vegas doesn't stay in vegas - the war comes home. I am convinced that is what happened to the Brits with their early and enduring stay in India. You don't have your upper class faggots run shit over there and live like sultans then come back to jolly old england and leave the baggage behind them. They stared into Ranjeesh, and the abyssal poo stared back at them.

>>509352082
>>509351947
>>509351830
The middle & upper class earner problem with it is that HENRY's could be advocating for a fairer distribution of taxation, but you have to be locked into the belief that when your own personal wealth and earning increase that you must then not be subject to the same level of taxation.

It's a never ending death spiral of circular reasoning where they fail to grasp simple economic concepts like the velocity of money.
Any money taxed must be spent on them and them directly!

>>509350875
people are retarded anon thats the problem like super fucking stupid

ask me how i know.

>>509352436
im an economist.
Velocity of money is a fake concept, 80% of the money has an interval of 1 per month (if you're payed monthly).

Printing money should get you jail time, that's the only reason inflation exists.
Debt should be internal, like the government getting in debt to the citizens.

>>509352221
NEVER VOTE TORIES or LABOUR ever again..

DEATH to all UK MPs and UK ROYALS, PEDO ROBBING SCUMBAGS the lot of them..

And FAKED A PANDEMIC to steal the BRITISH people's money then kill loads off..

Who ever KILLS such corrupt peo[le like UK ROYALS and UK MPs are HERO'S..

UK SOLDIERS are GIMPs and just think uk people put their sons in the army to protect the ROYAL PEDO SCUMBAGS...

UK PEOPLE are SCUM OF THE EARTH..

Don't do business with the people of the UK because they kill their own kids not even knowing thy are doing it, all for the UK ROYAL PEDO SCUMBAGS...

You are sick if you support the UK ROYALS..

kEEP YOUR KIDS OUT THE ARMY//

>>509350962
they mean i will save hours by outing people who cannot parse simple text and i get to laugh at all the people who point it out

hahahhahahhahahhahah

ty anon i needed cheering up
btw my laughter has red squigles hahahahhahha

>>509350875
first property housing should have no taxes.
Corporations should not be allowed to own housing assets.

>>509335028 (OP)
is there a single attractive woman on that shitty island?

>>509352797
still better looking than what you have to offer.

>>509346775

50k is the upper end of salaries, yet it barely gives you a decent quality of life.

For boomers with a paid off house they purchased for 15k, it's not bad but for young people paying extortionate rent, it's just an existence and not much else.

Me and my gf are on a household income of almost 70k, her sister and waste of space unemployed boyfriend claim every benefit under the sun and have a much higher quality of life. They've just gotten a fancy new benefits wagon through pip as well.

>>509352797
>>509352674
What did John Law ever do to you!?!

>>509352694
If UK MPs try and make our children go in the ARMY we shoot the fucks who come and try and take them...

We go up to an MPs house then BLAST HIS WIFE AND KIDS TO BITS, then get the MP cut his kids head of then shove the head up his wifes pussy hole hile the cunt watches..

KILL ALL UK MPs , FAKED A PANDEMIC then stole all our money...DEATH TO THE UK ROYALS...UGLY FUCKS...DIE OF CANCER and HURRY UP UGLY ROYALS CUNTS..

>>509353012
Wtf, this is illegal content. Have you not learnt anything from Kneecap and Glastonbury this year?
Jo Cox got fucking murdered because of people like you, and thats why I will need a credit card to use porn and why Bitcoin transaction are so difficult.

>>509349094
KYS KIKE

can i still get some tho

>>509352863
Velocity of money exists, but it's overused as a concept, it's impact is pretty low on theeconomy.

Economy is like plumbing you have a pipe and different elements (or sectors) you want the water (money) to reach everything (equally)... if you have a leak somewhere you have to react to it (printing money), but that doesnt solve the problem.

... now the velocity of money would be the water flow of the water in your installation... higher speeds make things worse, it is a factor, but you cant really control and even if you did it does not solve the problem (the leak).

A fucking plumber would make a better economist than these politicians.

>>509352797
Yes. I think she's married, though.

>>509353110
kek its a glow or somebody who just needs to vent lmao

see ill break it down a little

the chant is a very male thing to say

the "make our children"
is a very female thing to say

something is very off with this post

>>509353012
take a deep breath bro focus on makeing things better not worse

>>509339514
>JUST FUCKING TAX THE RICH MORE
This is such a hilarious delusion leftoids have. Billionaires control all politicians, left and right. When you say "tax the rich" what actually happens is that dentists making 80k get taxed to the gills instead and a bunch of billionaires controlled leftists celebrate it as a win.

The world has always been the very wealthy and the very poor VS. the middle class.

>>509353110
>>509353377
>kek its a glow or somebody who just needs to vent lmao
its a literal schizo. hes been posting like this on and off for months.

>>509353376
kek

Idk how we're gonna pull ourselves out of this as a nation. We need more funding for services but people cant afford to be taxed any more. Governments kick the can down the road with short sighted policies because theyre already campaigning for the next election.
No one is politics can make strong decisions.

Friendly reminder Reform are a bunch of chancers promising everything without being held accountable as to how theyll fund it, whilst also promising tax cuts for everyone, make that make sense. I don't even trust them with immigration controls, farage has already ruled out deportations, his party is full of ex tories and its the tories that largely got us into this fucked situation to begin with.

Rupert Lowe is the only one in parliament with credibility. He needs to join Homeland and give the party exposure.

>>509353547
>Idk how we're gonna pull ourselves out of this as a nation.
We're in the shit, make no mistake about that. We can start by not voting for more of the same....

>>509353547
great man theory anon is was and always will be true

we need one and we need one bad

our island btw is renowned for breeding them we need to find and fund him were like way overdue

>>509353377
>>509353110
meh wasnt that bad. He aint wrong either.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/chunk/509335028/#509353012

>>509353356
Right, I was specifically asking about John Law in reference to the
>first property housing should have no taxes.
>Corporations should not be allowed to own housing assets.
bit from here >>509352753 but I see now that the munted mate's post got in the way.

The John Law comment should make more sense now.
Also, yeah, some people don't believe that velocity of money is an issue or how it's changed post pandemic since printing money just works but that's what you get with a fiat currency, it's all in belief and velocity doesn't matter if the believe is shifted onto something like, ohhhh, say a stock market bubble.
Thanks for answering genuinely tho, sad for that misfire.

I bet you just 'ate John Law 'cause he was Scottish, not 'cause he was a toff. I can see through your skin I can.

>>509353653
or here

>>509353653
It's all down to Farage. He's our only hope. Shake up the markets, secure the borders, lower regs, and be based again.

>>509336773
Time to declare war on your treasonous government.

>>509335028 (OP)
Its pretty sad, I wonder if your public debating is doing more harm than good. You can see how bullying is causing it to be impossible to cut budgets. Because its always easy to argue FOR spending or FOR status quo. Its hard to argue for cutting because its hard to cut while not "being a bad person". She is in the pose of a woman utterly humiliated and ashamed that is no way for people to be. When one is cutting budgets, there should be an agreement by everyone in principle to support her and instead they have the bullies mocking her. That is not right.

>>509353675
in bongland (this is a sure sign of a failed nation)

if some dickhead gets ahold of what he said it could be bad

>>509353710
nah we need something that far trancends polotics

maybe farage could help our current situation but on a scale of 1-10 we need an 8 and farage is barely a 2 (he survived like 4 planecrashes lol)

>>509353720
I'm not familiar with how bong legislature works. Either way it seems one of iron skin would need to be in that chair. Perhaps she is more suited to a behind-the-scenes role. It's not a good look. The
>British markets
are fucked, after all kek

>>509353811
He delivered us Brexit with the deck stacked against him, I trust him to deliver Britannia Unchained.
The man's a winner, and is a through and through patriot. He'll make Britain Great Again.

>>509353547
>Rupert Lowe is the only one in parliament with credibility. He needs to join Homeland and give the party exposure.
Wrong.
Everyone needs to join the uniparty, or have the uniparty run in all seats.

The plan is a continuity government that has in the King's speech and manifesto, a commitment to change the polling system from first past the post to PR/STV and the government works in a singular manner until then, re-does the election under FPTP and forms a real fucking government and not this party bullshit where everything is fragmented.

Rupert Lowe's not the man. Farage isn't the man. Corbyn's not the man and McDonnell isn't going to train the next RLB type to take over and it's not the greens or the lib dems either.
First past the post, just does not work. Doesn't matter who the "man" is, under FPTP, it's not possible for the man to get in.

>>509353843
british markets dont really work rofl we are a nation of speculators

its why this outburst moved markets lmao

the speculators are speculating that this impact will have a negative effect on the public and that speculation has a litteral effect on the market that litterly effects the public that reinforces the speculators opinions

kek

>>509353923
are you a spastic? even the likes of sargon see through farages bs

>>509353923
i hope so hes for sure going to win

keir will not even see the end of his term he is a failure and a disgrace

who even is his opposition oponent?

>>509353971
It's just all so bizarre, what a time to be living in a society

You guys doing ok over there
Even this thread is in complete disarray and those posting in britain seem unintelligible
What's going on?

>>509339514
>the rich
>uk

>>509353685
Well, your first house should have no taxes because you want to ease the taxes on poor people.

UK and all of the EU is taxing the shit out of poor people. Like poor people are literally being milked the hardest.
Yes, of course corporations should not be allowed to own houses, houses are for living not for profit.
Corporations should not be allowed to touch the education sector, transportation, banking(this is questionable), energy... and military obviously. If corporations truly bring value to the consumer they can exist in other places.

this guy explains it more in debt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4__IBd_sGE

>>509335028 (OP)
But no cuts to the benefits of the refugees right?

Britain is getting fleeced by America. Just think that every time you pay with a visa and MasterCard, a small % of that transaction goes to those American companies. We sell all our start ups that have any potential to America, the list goes on and on. I think Brexit was supposed to take us away from any EU shit into even greater control by America. We have become an American tax farm exploitation zone.

>>509354071
we live in a great time of change i have no fucking idea why we are fucking everything up so badly their is litterly no need for it

we should be flying toward a utopia like a bullet the things slowing us down should be ethical considerations and sustainability ramifications

instead we are circleing the fucking drain

its litterly difficult to fuck it up this badly

we should have a squirrel run policy at this point give it a top hat a monicle and a cain and tell it to pick at random preposals

>>509353710
Farage praised liz truss' economic policies. He wants to slash tax and hasnt explained how our already gutted services will improve from this. Only thing i agree with him on is nhs is not fit for purpose and needs a french style system.

But who else to vote for? I dont trust Yusuf, Tice, Farage. I guess we have to get reform in power then hold them to account and dictate policy that way. Myself and many others i think have become disillusioned with Reform in the past month what with the stuff they've been saying, farage another politician in bed with islam, tice not caring about britain becoming white minority, farage ruling out deportations. But we have no other options

>>509354237
>a small %
It's both flat and % xD.
Oh yea US is milking the whole world. Their corporations are run by the government but that's a whole other topic.

>>509354091
/brit/ is an /int/ thread full of complete and utter mental illness cases. euthanasia-tier spastics of the highest order.

>>509354126
stop fucking whining you gypsy scumbag. nobody's '''milking''' you, you're just not wanted or needed. you don't deserve shit. you owe every single fucking thing you have to big companies, of course they deserve profit.
whereas you - you're a fucking gypsy bug.

>>509353720
>I wonder if your public debating is doing more harm than good.
Nah.
There's still rules, there's still the speaker, things don't get debated to death, the welfare bill that passed was debated for around 6 hours yesterday, at least a dozen MP's never got to say what they needed to, got cut off etc and believe it or not, there were very few attacks at Reeves or Kendall or even Starmer at that time.

What Reeves is experiencing is a problem of her own making. It's the party system behind it, the press.
Badenoch can ask a question or state she'll be out of a job, but that's it, it's 1 hour a week. She'll get that claim lobbied at her constantly, it's the nature of the game when a cabinet reshuffle is imminent, it's the pressure that's required because it's very, very rare to come back as a failed chancellor.

Like, she's still going to end up in the house of lords after this and if she doesn't. She'll make money speaking, be given a cosy job.
It's fine if she cries or Badenoch cracks a joke about her already being gone, if she didn't appear today because, her fiscal rules pushed for a bill to reform welfare, that over the course of a few hours, no longer had any legislation in it remaining about one of the benefits named in the title of the bill; on a second reading of all things.

Nobody gives a fuck if Starmer feels bad 'cause he's going to catch some hate for a bit about going. In a year's time he'll just be the butt of a bad joke like Sunak is now.
You really have to Truss it up and have no idea when to call it quits to have it stain you for life.

>>509335028 (OP)
UK really needs to admit second-rate country status. I feel like a lot of their problems stem from thinking they still have a greater importance than they actually have.

>>509339750
ok richie rich that's why every countries golden age just magically lines up with high taxes on the top earners.

>>509339826
Yeah how come this argument never applies to the people on the bottom who actually spend money and drive the economy? Richfags are always making this threat and its an empty one.

Moving factories, stores and businesses isn't free. They will take the hit to their finances and they will bitch about it but that's all they ever do. Because even richfags know its better to lose some money than all of it.

>>509336773
>Queer Starmer

>>509354339
still in this thread pajeet.
kek

>>509354252
It's by design dude. The system operates in a vacuum. It's doomed. They chose to lock society into the infinite growth death spiral, can was kicked down the road for too long. The fallout from attempting to rectify anything at this point would simply be too catastrophic, they know this.

>>509354321
The man knows his economics. He worked in finance. I trust he's calculated everything well.
I agree, the NHS needs to die. I'd go more radical though.
Don't care about Islam as long as it isn't blowing shit up. Hard workers who do what council estate whites refuse to.

>>509354411
>poorfags drve the economy
Corr, imagine a uk without demand for kebabs, netflix, crack, iceland ready meals, and cheap imported beer.

>>509354364
I dont think anyone is under any illusions. Without the wealth of London Britain would be eastern europe tier

>>509354126
>Yes, of course corporations should not be allowed to own houses, houses are for living not for profit.
>Corporations should not be allowed to touch the education sector, transportation, banking(this is questionable), energy... and military obviously. If corporations truly bring value to the consumer they can exist in other places.
I see what you were getting at now. Yeah, land as assets is pretty cancerous now. It's a different time entirely.

Your issue I would guess extends more to corporations really not doing what others claim they do, that they act in the best interests of the consumer because the invisible hand of the market guides them? I'll give the video a watch later on, thanks for engaging in good faith again.

Down with John Law! Drunk, gambling fuck he was...son of a banker, son of a wanker more like...

>>509354411
The problem is government spending vs. tax revenue and the bottom people consume way more tax expenditure than they contribute.

>>509354321
>Farage praised liz truss' economic policies. He wants to slash tax and hasnt explained how our already gutted services will improve from this. Only thing i agree with him on is nhs is not fit for purpose and needs a french style system.
I'm not that anon so I'm not going to touch the stuff after slashing tax.

-but assuming that Farage isn't a total thicko and managed to get in. He could you know. Just revoke the Bank of England being independent, returning control of real economic policy to the chancellor and playing the long game, hoping he doesn't have to go begging to the IMF. If he was actually smart too, i'd try to cram the most damaging policies into the end of his term too, hoping to get re-elected in 5 years times, rather than doing things the Labour way and taking a wrecking ball to your credibility and political capital year one.

Fuck, he can even do a Truss and blame it on the deep state.

>>509354435
so do i but at the same time we have a complete alignment problem

the idea of competition was to create good products goods and services

we perverted it into winning

that is bad but not game over


we have now destroied the very fabric and fundimentals of societys to prop up the winning aspect

the entire idea has been lost and needs a re-orientation

why is nobody working behind the scenes to create serious reasonable backstops for the collapse

even if the collapse is staved of

we can roll out the backstop and integrate it creating a better society

(backstop you ask)

fuck it MRE's
Water All the fucking Water

go down the fucking list.


in 5 years when if we havent revolutionised the systems (almost all of them)

we say hey new GoV MRE program

homless poor need some food

get some fucking MRE's on us as part of the WE GOTA EAT program

no sign up no questions no consiquences NO RESALE!

But where will we get the money

fukin doughnut told us to up mill spending sounds like we need several billion MRE's

>>509335028 (OP)
There is a vid on YouTube, I think it’s called England sucks or something. But it really goes into the finances of the UK and how utterly fucked they are.

>>509353720
public debate is the future and the past we will fix our terrible debates and they are a staple of a functioning system they are a requirement

personaly i dont like how they do it but its not terrible

>>509354760
Well the thing is you have faith in restoring order through your institutions. But I don't blame you, the alternative is horrifying. But they don't even run the show, that's theater.

The British ruling class are particularly disgusting. They despise the working class, actively hate them, that's why the UK feels like an open air prison, they don't trust you and think you need constant correction. I wish Cromwell had succeeded long term, I think Britain would be better of without our ruling class. We want our country back? How much of the country do you actual own? An overpriced rabbit hutch, if you're lucky. I will never sing the national anthem.

>>509354878
https://youtu.be/b5aJ-57_YsQ?si=Cy_RJE4-W2F2zGvG

>>509354583
>Down with John Law! Drunk, gambling fuck he was...son of a banker, son of a wanker more like...
That's fucking funny.
>thanks for engaging in good faith again.
always

>that they act in the best interests of the consumer
nothing acts in the interest of consumer, either corporations or the state.

Why do we pay taxes ?
The state claims that by paying taxes you get more value in the form service; you pay 100 quids in taxes and you get service valued at 101 quids... but that's rarely the case.
But corporations are run for profit, by their nature they are more dangerous than the state.

... you need smart people running the state, not only that they need to be patriotic and love the people. Nobody has that except, China, Russia and the US (maybe, but Trump manages to be retarded also inspite all the good he does).

>>509339514
>taxes hurt the rich
can you believe this anon comes from the nation that gave us Robinhood

>>509354411
https://www.cbpp.org/research/kansas-provides-compelling-evidence-of-failure-of-supply-side-tax-cuts

Now since unlike the faggots responding to me with no evidence I'm not full of shit here's a study that provides a real world example of their retarded argument put into action.

TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH NOT ONLY HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY THEY ACTIVELY MAKE THE ECONOMY WORSE

>>509355343
hhaha an anon said it early tax things you buy

rich people dont buy shit poor people do

>>509354924
I don't have faith because I'm not a neoliberal but I get where you're coming from.
And for the record, I'm not someone who thinks Farage is the man either, but I can see that he has enough of a political antennae as they're now calling it that if he had capable people behind him. They could do some real damage in 5 years, he could abolish or reform the house of lords. He can fuck the media over like Putin did to silence his opposition.

There's a lot of lessons from other nations he could use to make that slow swell in 5 to 10 years and the economic effects and shocks aren't always instant like we saw with the conservatives, it's a slow, slow death under neoliberalism when wealth is transferred and services are pushed to breaking point.
His biggest issue in trying to enact a Liz Truss style tax cut aside from the bank and the markets is that the country's already in a shit state. The conservatives raided it and Labour don't have competent people right now, Reeves economic policy COULD work in the future but everything else is so misguided they won't be around long enough to fix the issues we have when their current agenda is managed decline.

So for Farage's grand dream of a PM where he's in it for himself, it's tough to consider the economic policies because it comes so late and in such a state. He's fairly young, 61 I believe, but to really raid the country and bleed it dry, he should have been in power in 2017, 2019. 2029 entry is a tough one.

>>509355343
the idea here needs seperating however the way jobs are used its like a subsidy of the goverment

companies that create jobs are subsidised essentially

you need to seperate out "the rich" and "job creators" ect

>>509335028 (OP)
(bit)corn solves this, unironically ironically enough

>>509355343
https://academic.oup.com/ser/article/20/2/539/6500315

>The economic consequences of major tax cuts for the rich
A meta analysis of tax cuts done in 18 Different countries also showing that giving richfags even more money doesn't boost the economy or create jobs it just makes richfags richer and poorfags poorer.

Break the spell of the shills who push trickle down economics. Its a fucking fairy tale that never happens. If you found $1000 dollars lying on the street would the first thing you do be giving part of it to a homeless person? Or would you spend some of it on yourself and put the rest in your bank account? THAT'S WHAT THE RICHFAGS DO! They do the same shit anyone else would when they get more money. They don't fucking share it, they don't go around playing Santa Clause and giving to random faggots out of the kindness of their heart. THEY HOARD IT!

>>509355748
>that giving richfags even more money doesn't boost the economy
hahahahahha, who the fuck thought that up.

>>509355499
he has to deal with the economy and its brutal

check this out anon

we need to lend against people
we import people to lend against
we pay the people we import stabilise them
the people we import crate a ton of people to lend against


thats a basic problem that needs fixing and its fucking hard


were so fucked that we cant even pay into the benefits system (it needs to be stricken off and re thunk)

the benefits sector creats like i dno a million jobs
so we cant just abolish that bullshit eather

in an ideal world in the 60's we would have created free sustainable houseing like an ala NHS developed and used it properly and now today

you could say hey were just going to fuck of x x x x and invest in better sustainible houseing project

makes everything better for everybody the industry supplying it would be entrenched reducing costs

it would not be tied to the houseing market so a home would be built for basically cost ect ect

instead houseing immigrints alone costs more than the price of incentiviseing that makebelive program that would solve the issue

>>509344294
Yeah. These cuts would all have been targetted at white people who worked and paid into the system for at least some of their lives.
The brownoid horde will be spared nothing.

>>509344504
Is that the pajeet London mayor?

>>509344653
>>509344705
Strong independent woman

>>509355997
but at the same time if we had such a system it could lead to even larger importations of people

(i like all people)

but the imported growth has never worked (unless your a business and thats called aquired growth)

>>509335028 (OP)
Our fucking infrastructure takes 3x more money to build because of all the fucking bureaucracy propping up bullshit jobs, nothing gets done and is sat on pissing away the money that should be spent on it getting fucking results
I can't fucking stand public transport, it's all dogshit all around the country, every major city is a run down shithole
Our government simply burns money like no other, not even getting into the bullshit "catering days out" that rack up 6 figures

>>509356502
wheres our AI sector anon... like seriously lol

we are a nation in decline for no good reason we need to start identifying and fixing problems

starmer has to go this taxing smokeing taxing alcahol (granted im biased)

is disgusting tokenism low hanging fruit and virtue signaling(ie raising tax easily)

>>509354364
This. Phantoms of greatness still haunt them.