Thread 512852071

>bro I can literally see apples in my head in full colour! I don't even need eyes to see!
what is this psyop about?

Hey look its an NPC thread. These fucking goobers can't even imagine an Apple LMAO

That's hallucination. Seeing something in your mind, imagining it, is different.

>>512852071 (OP)
idk it's just tryhards who've failed at life boasting they can totally shutoff their waking minds and see complete 3D objects in a void.
At best it's a series of flittering images.

>>512852252
That would be hallucination and I think the human brain evolved to avoid it because it makes no sense to hallucinate stuff that's not there.

>>512852071 (OP)
Some people are psychic, get over it.

>>512852071 (OP)
This is pretty good 'test' for /pol/turd faggotry.
You can pretend to be 1, call all others tier 5 NPCs and there's no way to check.

>>512852498
>Pretend
Uh buddy?

>>512852498
Yes I can see how it's difficult for a slavhuman to believe

>>512852474
I am psychic

>>512852071 (OP)
2 is normal, 1 is really only something that is developed by artists. There is a reason why art is considered by some to be the greatest creation of man.

Can people really not see things in their minds? Do they dream in words and emotions?

>>512852252
>>512852375
Why did you both self report twice? Once was plenty

retards who think being able to visualize something makes them special and unique when literally everyone can do it.

>>512852841
I'm concerned about the people that can't.

>>512852765
would people watch porn if they could? jews and niggers just lie so much

>>512852822
post proof
export the freely rotatable 3D imagary you see using elontech or whatever
oh you can't and are just one of the aforementioned losers?
okay then

>>512852222
checked

>>512852071 (OP)
imagine opening the fridge and grabbing the apple and twisting around in your hands. it should be much more vivid once you activate hand neurons

>>512852071 (OP)
Kikeshit to push the duning kruger idiots more into believing they are unique, special amd autistic.

>>512852907
I can imagine porn and jerk off just fine without porn , but porn is easier.

>>512852591
I haven't had breakfast in so long, I can't even imagine anymore how I'd feel if I had any.

>>512852928
based knower

OP never played with his imagination as a kid. Sad really. Its not some intrinsic super power. Its an aquired skill. I dont just imagine apples. I imagine whole story lines. Whole universes. And many of us when we were kids were able to do the same. Then sometime around 4th grade most of us give up on our imaginations and traded it in for "real life" (which is actually just someone eleses imagination impossed upon yours). Once you stop engaging in these thoughts from a personal level, the muscle in your brain responsible for your imagination falters. The artist is mearly someone who has kept this from childhood. There are really only two types of people. Artist and Consumers. People who create reality. And people who believe its real.

Its always better to be that latter although the cost is often isolation. Because those that can't see with their minds eye have no orginal thoughts. They literally lack the canvas to create them. They only regurgitate what has been fed to them. They are middle men and cloners or pre packaged ideas. "Real" reality is not knowable.

All that we can know is the interface. So make sure its one you are in control of.

>>512853014
This is an entirely different thing. I tested it on my five year old. He's sentient.

It's startling to think that most people can't 'read to themselves' or 'imagine it' in their heads.
If you don't hear inner monologue or perceive things in you mind's eye, you aren't real people.

>>512852071 (OP)
what do most people mean when they say they have a song stuck in my head? I mean it literally. I can replay a whole song in my head and hear parts I forgot were in the song until I reached them in my imagination

>>512853085
Yeah that could be it.

>>512853161
I'm starting to think that the vast majority of human really are just flesh automata without consciousness or soul

>>512852252
You retards still think all thoughts are invisible and can't be imposed on reality lmao. "The Void", like it's a fucking video game. NPCs are truly a joke.

>>512852071 (OP)
I'm a one but my apple is always green

>>512853282
Considering most of the planet is <100IQ, you're probably right. These things can breed and vote.

>>512853307
You are invisible

>>512853136
>He's sentient.
Good to hear.

>>512853324
Try imagining the whole tree. The leaves, the markings on the apple.

>>512852907
Zoomers are literally so far gone from smartphone brainrot AI deepfake world that good old imagination seems like literal magic to them looool.

>>512852252
>>512852375
>seeing 3D objects in a void
>hallucination
How's that hallucination? You niggers can't just create a fucking object in your minds or what? I'm not memeing. If you told me you were projecting those objects clearly, in a stable way over your external visuals then i would understand.

>>512852551
>>512852558
Why so defensive?
Did I touch a nerve?

I can only think in words. I never see images. I just see darkness.

>>512853365
That's technically not true either, because God is always watching over me.

>>512853487
I'm concerned for you.

>>512853566
What are your dreams like?

>>512853422
all there
even the fallen apples in the grass around the base and for some reason a wood fence behind it

>>512853426
How many of them do you think ever masturbated with their eyes closed imagining a fictional scenario?

>>512852071 (OP)
it's just a sign of advanced cognition. it's really useful to have if you're an artist.

>>512852071 (OP)
Was a 10/10.

>>512853664
that's literally 90% of my overall life masturbatory exp. I only use porn or raunchy pics to get me in the mood.

>>512853648
All normal. You just have a specific variety of mind apples today. Try again next week.

>>512853698
I once was fapping and i think she saw that, she never spoke again.

>>512852071 (OP)
This is literally how I do my work. I visualize all of the steps and see what tools I need, what can break or go wrong, etc. Then I get my Mexican drones to execute my visions. I thought everyone got through life like this. How is it possible to plan or foresee trouble without this ability?

>>512852071 (OP)
Dude, I can eat them and taste them. (They're delicious)

>>512853085
I think the entertainment these days don't leave much to imagination, so the imagination doesn't develop.
It was fun when growing up playing games with pixel graphics, because my imagination would fill in the gaps; when a new game was released I was like "Wow the graphics in this are so realistic!" even though the game was Total Recall on NES, but my mind was used to fill in the gaps on Super Mario Bros.
The objects and characters on screen were just symbolic representations of things for my imagination to interpret, any improvement in graphics lead to less work for my imagination and this easement felt like the graphics were hyper realistic.

Nowadays, the graphics are almost photorealistic - so it leaves nothing for your imagination, I wonder what that does to kids growing up.

>>512852071 (OP)
It's not a psyop
If I say "Apple" suddenly to my wife, she says she can see one in her mind
Because because my wife is European, she says she sees a green apple
I see a red one with a little stem and leaf on it
Often, if I am facing a problem - fixing something or designing something, for example - often what happens to me is what I call "Being gifted" the answer.
I wake up from sleep with a 3D image of the solution in my head
Where this comes from, I have no idea.
My subconscious, the Akashic Records, God Himself... no clue.
But it happens often enough for me to keep a pencil and paper next to the bed for when it happens.
This also happened to my father.

>>512853862
It's not even that, what about reading a book? These people don't see it display like a movie as they read? That's crazy to me.

Why do men even watch porn when they can visualize every girl they've ever crushed on getting fucked in 4K with their imagination?

>>512853824
I hope someday they arrest you for hiring them.

>>512853480
I can imagine all kinds of complex 3D objects, but seeing them like you see with your eyes would be hallucination.

>>512852071 (OP)
People think different. Language is imperfect. In fact, it's not even the default. Imagine being born as the last remaining human on the planet and taken care by a few automated systems that intentionally didn't use language to communicate. How would you THINK? Clearly not in words.

>>512853935
And now you know why some people don't read.

>>512853161
I often wonder what do these kind of people "get" out of recreational reading? When I read I'm both "hearing" the voice in my head and imagining the scene simultaneously, they must just look at and interpret the words somehow...?

>>512853877
Back in the day only few people could go to a higher school, my father was one of them 2 out of 30. I have his built except his legs.

>>512852071 (OP)
I can see it and touch it. What does that say about me?

>>512852071 (OP)
>there's people on this board who can't imagine a 3D object in their mind and rotate it around, while also being able to imagine what it would feel like in their hands, what it would weigh, etc.
>there's people on this board who can't look at ingredients or a plate of food and imagine what it would taste like
>there's people on this board who have no internal monologue
>there's people on this board who can't hear a song in their head if they think about it
>there's people on this board who can't recall what kind of exact route they would walk/drive to get to somewhere
>there's people on this board who can't imagine a top-down view of building layouts

>>512852071 (OP)
why do I feel like the 5 people are always vocal leftists and redditors

>>512853635
I have no dreams

>>512852071 (OP)
>>512852252
When I read a book it's like I'm watching an IMAX. I can see the scene, let's say in a room, move the PoV around the characters, zoom in, etc. That's why I love reading so much. People who can't visualise stuff dislike reading for that reason, for them it's sterile and boring

>>512852071 (OP)
I don’t believe the 1s are as wide spread as we are told and it’s only a few people with mental disorders.
This is basically a way for normal people to feel special.

>>512852071 (OP)
Of course John Green is a complete NPC, that tracks

>>512852071 (OP)
Ah jeez just another 1pbtid

>>512854173
>t. NPC

>>512852252
I can totally shut off my mind and see entire 3D objects in a void.
I thought everyone could do that.

>>512854173
So, having a vivid imagination is mental illness now? How the fuck do you think people have invented shit?

>>512854075
>there's people on this board who can't hear a song in their head if they think about it
man, fuck this, I read a song title by accident and it starts playing
also
>there's people on this board who can't recall what kind of exact route they would walk/drive to get to somewhere
fuck this as well, I get multi-choice paths and I always pick the one with unaanounced road work

>>512854213
Yep. I'm sure they are sliding something important.

>>512854173
Highly doubt it, if being able to visualize clear images was a rare skill i would've been hearing about it often throughout my life. Instead i've been led to believe everyone can. If it wasn't the case the topic would've come up several times with friends and family because it isn't rare to reference visualization in some form or other.

>>512853085
Most if not all art is regurgitation and not original.

>>512852071 (OP)
It's a memetic parasite feeding on narcissism, simple as.

>>512854347
Thought ever kid had been told to stop day dreaming in class

>>512852071 (OP)
Get a load of these LLMs attached to meat vessels

>>512853161
It seems like most people have one or the other. You either think in a swirl of images and emotions, or you have an internal monologue. People with an internal monologue believe they can picture objects, but in fact cannot but are unable to even comprehend what those without a monologue can perceive. On the other hand those without a monologue believe they have one but it is just them imagining written script in their minds eye.

>>512853935
Kinda funky to think, I mean, what DOES go in their minds then when they read?
Letters like "abcdef.." in a certain order form words in a given language, those letter sets in a language mean something, like "rubber boat". That set of characters is a concept, in my mind that triggers a image of a yellow rubber boat that I can hold in my mind, then I can start playing with it while I type this.
Anyway, what happens in the minds of the people that somehow don't have this ability?

>>512852071 (OP)
Can you draw an apple without one sitting in front of you?
If you can remember what an apple looks like, how are you not "seeing it" in your memory?
I think your confusion is with taking the word "seeing" literally -- as processing optical input from rods and cones instead of mulling over a memory in your consciousness.
I doubt anyone but the craziest hallucinatory schizophrenics literally see apples that aren't there. We just call recollection "seeing."

>>512852252
>bro can't close his eyes and see cartoon characters fighting each other accompanied by accurate voice acting

LMFAO

>>512854594
>Can you draw an apple without one sitting in front of you?
>If you can remember what an apple looks like, how are you not "seeing it" in your memory?
Good point

>>512853085
>*former
Imagine yourself being able to write faggot

dusty old 1 post slide thread. shame on anyone not seasoning this shite

>>512854594
Exactly. I can design unique objects and replicate real objects in 3D cad no problem from memory and imagination. I visualise components, but it's not a "movie" or like picrel
The people that say they can are also NPCs

>>512855183
It's an interesting topic, so I don't mind

>>512852071 (OP)
It's 5th gen warfare design to convince everyone that they are dumb because nobody can actually see an apple where there is none (unless hallucinating), but obviously people can think of an apple

>>512852071 (OP)
I'm normally a 3 but if I think of certain noises, I can see related colors (e.g. if I think of sirens I can see red and blue flashes).

>>512854061
>Back in the day only few people could go to a higher school, my father was one of them 2 out of 30. I have his built except his legs.
I know.
(((They))) convinced everyone they were "owed" a University education.
But, few could make it through STEM classes without failing
So, a large number of fake subjects were invented to "study" that these people could sit through - sleep through - for 4 years and then "have a degree".
It is largely masturbatory. They get glazed for 4 years - emphasis on women and browns and brown women - and then spend the rest of their lives glazing themselves
They produce nothing of value - most of it is the chattering class.
I prefer the company of animals and machines to most people.

>>512854243
>>512854282
>>512854347
Whoops
Meant 5s, but realized my initial post is excellent bait

>>512854075
>>there's people on this board who can't recall what kind of exact route they would walk/drive to get to somewhere
>>there's people on this board who can't imagine a top-down view of building layouts
In "the before time" if you wanted to go someplace you had never been, you had to go get a physical artifact called "A map"
It was a 2D top-down representation of the place you were and the place you wanted to go.
They are still made, these "maps". I have one in my vehicle.
More elaborate ones showed the lay of the land - how steep a hillside was or a cliff or how deep a valley was. Where landmarks were.
You got another artifact out called " a ruler", did some rough maths and you could calculate how far away you were and how fast you could get to where you wanted to go...
If you really wanted to get fancy, there was a third artifact - almost mystical - called "A compass"
This showed you which way "North" was so you could orient yourself on the map

>>512854594
>I think your confusion is with taking the word "seeing" literally
I think you are confusing it. They are literally saying they see apples. Not imagined constructs of what an apple looks like. Maybe they are the low IQ NPCs confusing imagined perception and actual perception.
>>512855183
dusty old nigger post

>>512852071 (OP)
You don't literally see it like a hallucination that blocks your vision, you see it in your "mind's eye". But this is frankly like trying to explain colour to a blind person, it's just not possible for someone with no frame of reference.

>>512852071 (OP)
This chart fucked me up and got me second guessing myself, I now struggle to visualize certain things but I can still easily assemble complex clockwork contraptions and geometric shapes in my head. Its like I can't visualize real art properly but I can imagine something like a 3d render with ease

>>512852558
>>512852551
Both of you retards missed the point that there's no real way to confirm whether or not someone is a 5 or a 1 or something in between other than what they tell you. And before you say you can tell, no you can't. The vast majority of people can't recognize a psychopath unless they slip up, and those aren't pretending to be able to visualize, they're pretending to be human.

>>512855321
this was discussed to death in 2022. turns out some people are retarded and have no imagination, shocking.

The human brain is surprising elastic.

I don't accept the normative perspective that the most common brain pattern is somehow the default, and that everyone else somehow deviated from this.
Mine is a developmental view, children raised in the same environment will develop the same brain structure, the NPS is made, trained, formed to be identical to one another, it's not an inherent feature of who they are.

That also means I generally reject the genetic argument, though there are heritable conditions like downs syndrome, I'm not convinced the chromosome issue is a direct cause of the brain pattern, I suspect it's indirect.

I hope with cybernetics my view will be validated, where those with profound disabilities will prove able to operate with equal efficiency with cybernetic hardware.

>>512856083
A lot of people answering they don't see anything are expecting to fully hallucinate an apple in their line of vision, and when they fail to do so they think they can't visualize a apple.

>>512852071 (OP)
ironically 1 is the NPC and 5 is the sigma

why do you think normies and retards are so emotionally reactive?

you say "a pile of dead babies being consumed by flies, vultures, simmering in the desert sun" and they hallucinate and go crazy

you just said words. they're retarded. it's also why dumbasses see ghosts and shit. They don't even know they're hallucinating shit with their mind's eye

>>512854046
I have trouble doing both.
I can either read a sentence in my head or imagine what the action of the sentence is doing.

>>512856083
you are like me

I thought like this too until I realized I didn't actually have a mind's eye

For many people THIS IS LITERAL

>>512852071 (OP)
But can you imagine and see the end of male infant genital mutilation?

>>512852071 (OP)

Your brain constructs detailed, realistic dream worlds every night while you sleep.
Everyone dreams regardless of IQ as far as I know unless they've got brain damage or a sleep disorder or something.
Picturing an apple in your mind is only tapping into a fraction of this ability.

>>512854075

I think those are mental abilities you can practice and get better at. Similar to doing math in your head.
I took a bunch of math classes in college and got really good at doing fairly complex calculations in my head. It was effortless.
But it's been years since I've done that -now I can barely do addition or subtraction in my head and I have to really concentrate.
I think it's the same with visualization - if you constantly practice it your brain will get better at it. If you never try visualizing anything you won't be good at it because your brain didn't build up the neutral pathways or whatever to do it

>>512853085
Reading plays a big role in the development of visualisation. Everyone I know who read novels at a younger age (7-11) has decent visualising abilities. I'm sure non readers can also learn how to do it but it's rare that readers don't develope it.
Same applies having an inner monologue

>>512853014
Really great post

>>512853282
You didn't always realize this? Did you not understand that immediately upon starting elementary/primary school and meeting the absolute hylic scum?

>>512856675
Okay? Leave the thread then