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Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513596231 >>513596445 >>513596482 >>513596540 >>513596830 >>513596871 >>513598136 >>513598196 >>513598321 >>513598538 >>513598586 >>513598595 >>513598952 >>513600268 >>513600642 >>513602570 >>513603570 >>513604958 >>513607933 >>513610458 >>513611145 >>513618344 >>513621050
End the Fed
No one fucking believes me when I tell them the solution to fixing every single problem not only in the US, but the world itself. This one entity needs to be destroyed and everything will be fixed. That or kicking out jews, which will also end the Fed. Take your pick. Either option will lead to some conflict, but we need it.
Anonymous (ID: eXMZ3BB5) United States No.513596445 >>513596517 >>513598932
>>513596231 (OP)
Hey, that reminds me of something.
Wasn't the Trump admin talking about auditing the Fed and US gold reserves a few months before Epstein became the current thing?
Anonymous (ID: ALs6N8nm) United States No.513596482 >>513596546 >>513597790 >>513600413 >>513621195
>>513596231 (OP)
Why not advocate for breaking up the multicult?
Go big or go home
"Kicking out" jews goes hand in hand with that. Plus you get all other objectives solved too
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513596517 >>513597534 >>513610498
>>513596445
That'll never happen cause Trump is too much in with the top echelon. He never was a "everyman" as people thought.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513596540 >>513596664 >>513597054 >>513598718 >>513613722
>>513596231 (OP)
So how to end the fed?
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513596546 >>513596626
>>513596482
>the multicult?
The what
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513596626 >>513596732
>>513596546
Multiculturalism, presumably. Anyway, how to break up the fed?
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513596664 >>513596948 >>513598718 >>513621612
>>513596540
>requires a simple majority in both chambers, followed by the President’s approval (or an override of a veto with a two‑thirds majority in both chambers).
>If enacted, H.R.1846 and S.869 would need to pass the House of Representatives and the Senateβ€”each by a simple majority vote, unless special provisions apply.
>After passing both chambers, the bill goes to the President for signature. If the President vetoes it, Congress can still enact the law by overriding the veto with a two-thirds majority in both the House and Senate.

However, since most of our politicians right now are republicans, they are Israel shills and will never get rid of it through that alone. Our president is also an Israelite, so that option goes out the window, too.

The only other option is the one George Washington and his ilk took to get out from underneath the King of England. Im sure you can guess that one.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513596732 >>513596948
>>513596626
That was caused by the jews. Technically, all of this is because of jews in general. I was trying to be fair and say just get rid of the Federal Reserve. It's the reason they can afford to do all this shit. They fund everything through stealing the wealth of our nation.
Anonymous (ID: a6cSRHic) United States No.513596830 >>513596934
>>513596231 (OP)
People are just dumb. I tell them about the evils of fractional reserve banking but without being smart enough to understand it for themselves, they don't know whether or not to believe me. They just subscribe to group think because they are too dumb to think for themselves.

You would also have to end to jews and the rich elite though. Just ending the fed wouldn't be enough because they would just bring it back in some other way. Remember that the Fed is the THIRD central bank in the US.
Anonymous (ID: zUvlvd9y) United States No.513596871 >>513597144 >>513597172 >>513597189
>>513596231 (OP)
What happened to SETF
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513596934
>>513596830
which is sad cause they dont realize all of our problems, money and prices etc is because of it. But like you said, they just go about their day depressed, as if they dont know how to fix it. I dont think the common person even knows anything about banking or the federal reserve. To them, money just appears out of nowhere.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513596948
>>513596664
>>513596732
>the solution that none dare speak it's name
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513597054 >>513597146 >>513597275
>>513596540
*flips through history books*

It's a strike. Work stoppage. Tax evasion. Non-participation.

Notice how none of their talking heads ever mention that?

There is a reason why, but many Historical examples as to why it should be.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597144
>>513596871
A very expensive solution, not that it's ever been fully explained. There are roughly 55 billion ounces above ground ever mined, and some small portion of that available for sale at any given time. It is not only expensive, but requires millions of participants.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597146 >>513597386 >>513598254
>>513597054
>It's a strike. Work stoppage. Tax evasion. Non-participation.
couldn't you technically just convince people to start using metal coinage? There's literally no reason we can't do that to pay for things again. You dont need the government's permission. Like at all.
Anonymous (ID: 3B/Zko6i) United States No.513597172
>>513596871
You can’t just stack silver!
It has no value!
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597189 >>513597388 >>513598041
>>513596871
Silver works. You just have to get people out of the trap that is the dollar.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597275 >>513597640
>>513597054
NEETS are the closest anyone has come to an effective general strike. So long as the neets are white males, anyway. If all minorities outside the USA stopped work, how much infrastructure would really fail? Not too much, i'd guess, except in asia proper.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513597285 >>513597392 >>513597418
Global debt market is going to collapse long before the Federal Reserve (or any central bank) is "ended"

Worry about the bond market. fr
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597386 >>513597464
>>513597146
Mass adoption of the paradigm would be as tough as explaining the fed problem though. It's a fine idea, but it is only feasable as an underground medium of exchange for intentional dissidents.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513597388
>>513597189
>trap that is the dollar
Correct, but that's (everyone personally-individually, or for example BRICS national-cabal-wise) not going stop the collapse of the global bond market.

Entire world is dependent on USD denomination as default reserve.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597392 >>513597440
>>513597285
yeah but no one will blame the central bank properly.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597418 >>513597478 >>513598071
>>513597285
So how to fight the bond market?
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513597440 >>513597490
>>513597392
By that time 'placing blame' is the least of our/your concerns.

Day of judgment is coming before the end of 2025
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597464 >>513597568
>>513597386
>would be tough

No it wouldnt. In fact, all you have to show to people is that you can hold coins and know that it doesn't lose value. In fact, it gains it over time, which will make people more willing to use it and trust in it. As it should be. That's the problem, everyone has been so use to depressing money that they forgot what real money feels like in your hand.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513597478 >>513597673 >>513598375
>>513597418
Entire system is a Debt-Based Economic Model.
(You) don't "fight" it (except by not creating money as debt, try that)
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597490 >>513597777
>>513597440
debt means nothing to you or I. it collapsing will only be a boom to us
Anonymous (ID: eXMZ3BB5) United States No.513597534 >>513597623 >>513598455
>>513596517
Yeah
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone paying attention.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597568 >>513597661 >>513597893
>>513597464
I've sold coins to the public for over a decade. It's tough. They'll get in now that the price is high, and dump if the price goes down, but most of them will never use the coins as a medium of exchange. They don't understand what they are doing.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597623
>>513597534
>that pic

Yeah JPM is one of the biggest flags of our time and yet no one in public is saying anything
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513597640
>>513597275
Nah, NEETs as much as they are derided are not a fulcrum.

Most of our productive people are doers and not thinkers.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597661 >>513597826
>>513597568
>but most of them will never use the coins as a medium of exchange.
humans have used coins for over 10K years of civilization.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597673 >>513597807
>>513597478
So not borrowing? Ok. Fine, let's say you don't borrow, you and a million others. You pay cash or equivalant, and have paid off all your debts. Now the government imports 2 million jeets and gives them government backed credit.

Now what?
Anonymous (ID: ZSP6WEZo) No.513597772
No. Abortion is at the root of all the evil in the world today.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513597777 >>513597937 >>513601509 >>513603757
>>513597490
It won't be a 'boom' to anyone.
Those that have prepped (yes, PM stacker and others with hard assets) might ?? survive, but remember when the grid goes down it's instantaneous Mad Max. <--What would have occurred in 2008, had that bailout not been executed.
What would also have happened September 2019, had not those overnight repo bailouts Aug-Dec 2019 almost $1T total, not been executed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkq75L5n_k
Magically though in Jan 2020 along came covid, with a never-before-in-human-history worldwide lockdown of all activity and another $12T in liquidity for the investment banks to continue their black box gigacasino of speculative debt instruments <--that is totally segregated and walled-off from the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities.
Anonymous (ID: 0TmutEUB) United States No.513597790 >>513603227
>>513596482
Who do you think funds all of that shit? Who do you think uses the FED to propagate all of their bullshit?
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513597807 >>513598221
>>513597673

Read + watch ---------------- # 513597777
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513597826
>>513597661
I'm not disputing the history. I'm saying that people in the USA, today do not understand silver or gold as a medium of exchange yet. Most of them have no idea what gold is when they see it. They ask
>1. is it real
>2. Is it plated
>3. Is that your collection
>4. My dad had a bunch of those, and sold them.
Then they walk off. That is 90% of the customer base I see on a daily basis. They have no idea, and their minds are off. I'm not trying to be difficult or obtuse when i say people don't understand silver or gold.
Anonymous (ID: eXMZ3BB5) United States No.513597893 >>513598018
>>513597568
The biggest hurdle has to be finding vendors who will accept PMs as a payment.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513597937 >>513598125
>>513597777
The "crash" wouldnt have been that bad. If anything, people would recover drastically fast
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513598018
>>513597893
For groceries, farm supplies, auto parts, gas, medical supplies, legal aid. Yes, that's true. For the time being you'll have to take a percentage hit exchanging PMs for cash until direct expenditure can be adopted.
Anonymous (ID: 9Tn4mW80) Hungary No.513598041 >>513598176
>>513597189
The problem is that nobody will allow the silver to circulate. Everybody will hoard it. Bad money drives out good money. People will use the worthless dollar bills and keep the silver safe at home.
The other problem is as old as time. Jews clipping coins.
Anonymous (ID: a6cSRHic) United States No.513598071 >>513598210
>>513597418
It's not about fighting the bond market. It's more like it's a clown car that's on fire. You just have to stay out of its way. So long as you have government currency, you're dependent on it. Also the other guy said that judgement day is coming by the end of 2025 but I disagree. Probably only a hiccup by early next year. Won't see the big one until ~2045.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513598125 >>513598213
>>513597937
Do you know what a credit freeze is?

That is what would have INSTANTANEOUSLY occurred in 2008, and in late 2019, had not each trance of those bailouts not been executed.
Anonymous (ID: elmXt53m) Poland No.513598136 >>513598225 >>513598366 >>513599911 >>513602888 >>513604761
>>513596231 (OP)
>kick jews out
>kick non-europeans out
>end the fed
so you need to elect hitler 2.0
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598176
>>513598041
>The problem is that nobody will allow the silver to circulate. Everybody will hoard it.
Which causes prices to fall, which is a good thing.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513598196
>>513596231 (OP)
You don't even need to end it.

Just allow the Federal Reserve to purchase government bonds on the primary market.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513598210 >>513598302
>>513598071
>more like a clown car that's on fire
>You just have to stay out of its way
This anon gets it.

Respectfully disagree though, I think ? the global bond market collapse occurs this year.
Stand back
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598213 >>513598244
>>513598125
Credit freeze means jackshit.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513598221 >>513598363
>>513597807
Summerize, qrd. I'm not holding my comments for 16 minutes to watch the guy talk about how the fed can't unload it's balance sheet.

What are you saying, or suggesting that people do in regards to the bond market? And why do you think it would help disrupt or accelerate the decline of the system?
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598225
>>513598136
Pretty much I guess.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513598244
>>513598213
>16 pbtid
Back to plebbit, brainlet.
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513598254
>>513597146
>couldn't you technically just convince people to start using metal coinage?

Conglomerates will not be convinced to take that as legal tender.
You can go to 1000 wal-sharts and attempt to transact in silver coinage (at spot). And you would have 9990+ instances of failure. The corporatization of this country is an inhibiting factor in such movements.

BUT

You could, convince an individual merchant of the value of the coinage and trade at a lower value than spot to start the movement.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513598302 >>513598859
>>513598210
Do you see a shortage of liquidity growth? Are there no more bag holders to snooker in? Why by the end of this year?
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598321 >>513598407 >>513598641
>>513596231 (OP)
The solution to fixing all our problems is if the west falls and superior powers like China takes over. Planned economy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the dumb invisible hand bullshit making way for artificial problems
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513598363 >>513598577
>>513598221
Read the central bank and Financialization topic threads in archive.4plebs.org

search terms
>central bank
>Financialization

OP topic is retarded, filled with sub-sub-sub-retards I don't have time for and am not the substitute teacher here
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513598366 >>513598443 >>513604388
>>513598136
>so you need to elect hitler 2.0
Yeah we should do this and escort the bankers safely to a new capitol once their scam has ran it's course.

We can then enjoy a few years of euphoria before we are crushed, genocided, and humiliated by those same moneyed interests.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513598375 >>513598480
>>513597478
Money must be created as debt because of the iron logic of double entry book keeping. You're way overthinking it, like most libertarian conservatives. You get too caught up in mechanisms instead of men.

All of the greatest economic turnarounds and national build ups in the 20th century -- Germany, Japan, China -- had the same exact money system we do. Japan and Germany were pretty much full blown MMT.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598407 >>513598736
>>513598321
>china
>superior

found the spy
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598443
>>513598366
Is it sad that I would love those few years of golden era? That's how much I want us to be economically free from debt
Anonymous (ID: foUfW7hz) Canada No.513598455 >>513598610
>>513597534
Why is it every time a random factoid about the Fed and it's member banks is thrown out there, its always the most sordid crimes imaginable that NO ONE IN THE REGULAR WORLD KNOWS ABOUT SOMEHOW?

If this shit was focused on with even a tenth of the bandwidth dedicated to race, gender, politics and every other distraction on social media, the country would riot overnight.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598480 >>513598573
>>513598375
>Money must be created as debt because of the iron logic of double entry book keeping.
Oh fuck no.
Anonymous (ID: bJy00X5I) United States No.513598538 >>513598670
>>513596231 (OP)
The Federal Reserve bank is a tool of control. It's not really good or bad, but obviously it's use to print money, and war is used to force other countries to use that money. You would need to get rid of both the Federal Reserve and the military industrial complex to bring some level of normalcy back into the world.

The problem with this is you would create a vacuum of power that would likely and quickly be filled by either China or Russia, or possibly multi-national alliance.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513598573
>>513598480
Oh, ok. You're just retarded then.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513598577 >>513598912
>>513598363
You brought it up and made the assertion. I'm here for a conversation. If you aren't the substitute teacher stop handing out homework. Post an infograph.
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598586 >>513598706 >>513598710
>>513596231 (OP)
>Just have feudal lords and robber barons controlling everything again
No that won't solve the problems, the debt is fake, it can just be written off in accounting with sanctioning a credit toward the dollar amount owed. Fake ass debt is merely used to make excuses for austerity against the public We just need actual investing into the people and industry, instead of bloated military spending, which congress always has money for.
Anonymous (ID: dpQSDVRp) United States No.513598595
>>513596231 (OP)
NO-- just subordinate it to the Treasury, and have the regional Feds have the discretion to have their own interest rates such that all the fucking capital of the country isn't Hooverd' up to the Coasts, as it was before Communist FDR and his British fagging administration raped the country (Powell and Besant are friendly enough to have lunch once a week, interest rates had/have to be where they are to buck break the pink Eurotrash into compliance after the past decades of seditious casus belli stunts starting with The Kenyan).
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598610
>>513598455
Even Nick Fuentes has said he doesn't know anything about the Federal Reserve, which is basically the foundation of all the jew talk he does. He has no idea that the Fed acts as the money parasite to the US that feeds into Switzerland, Israel, and other countries that are owned and controlled by jews.

So it's really just naivety and ignorance.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513598641 >>513598844 >>513598962
>>513598321
>you should live in a chinese bug colony in a cardboard ghost city.
No thanks
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598670 >>513598996
>>513598538
You only need to get rid of the Fed. The military complex can still function. In fact, we can scale it back to be more efficient defending American borders. If anything, it'll be less expensive to fund the military anyway.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598706 >>513598917
>>513598586
>Just have feudal lords and robber barons controlling everything again
Nigga what. This isnt the wild west days.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513598710 >>513599270
>>513598586
Correct, the debt is used to justify austerity. The reality is that the debt has to structurally exist so the government can inject money into the economy. It's either that or run a trade surplus -- which would mean that foreign countries are running deficits with us.

But if you don't run a trade surplus AND you run a budget surplus -- who is it that is running the deficit? Well, it's us -- the private sector.
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513598718 >>513598807
>>513596540
>So how to end the fed?
One method is >>513596664

More interestingly I've heard that the process of originally setting up the fed was illegal to begin with, so there may not need to be a law passed at all to dissolve it. Per the Constitution Congress has the power to issue currency, only a Constitutional Amendment would take that away.

They could just start issuing currency again and refuse to collect federal reserve notes after the rollout is complete.
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598736
>>513598407
China is superior in every way, Mr CIA.
No spy required, US is third world country by comparison, a trip to China is all that is required for any American, like myself, who doubted this.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598807
>>513598718
>More interestingly I've heard that the process of originally setting up the fed was illegal to begin with, so there may not need to be a law passed at all to dissolve it.
Actually you are correct. The Federal Act was never voted on nor properly passed. That's why you see so much violence and conspiracy with keeping it intact. The jews, including JP Morgan, use all their power to keep it there to extort our country. It really is the devil.
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598844 >>513598936
>>513598641
>ghost cities
Hello there, still using nigh 2 decade old rhetoric because you know nothing about China is see.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513598859 >>513599262 >>513603757
>>513598302
Idk and neither do top financial experts.
Nobody knows. But many are signaling loud warnings.

(one mere example, there exist thousands of others for several years now)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690

another (tangential)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/506316301

Debt (globally not just the U.S.) is out of control esp. over the past 6 years, more importantly (from solely a fiscal perspective) the U.S. continues $2T/annum deficits for the foreseeable future while simultaneously, Interest Payments are outstripping discretionary spending.
From a macro p.o.v. this means: the U.S. (<--on whose currency denomination entire world depends as default reserve) must achieve an annual gdp growth rate of greater than its current anemic ~2 percent/annum, up to around 4 or 5 (or more) annually. If that doesn't occur in the next 8 to 12 months i.e. we don't kick the *real* annual U.S. gdp growth up into the 3 or 4 percent growth range, it's going to be impossible to keep propping up the already-DOA bond market that no one is buying or wants to buy, further eroding global confidence in the denomination (*Hint*: global confidence in treasuries is more important than confidence in USD) and the U.S. gov is then imminently going to impact the Total Default brick wall.
Anonymous (ID: Dwbg2oMa) United States No.513598886 >>513599033 >>513599166
Tell me if I have this right
>US govt doesnt print its own money
>it has the fed reserve print money, in exchange the US govt promises to pay that back with interest (govt bonds)
>the fed has no money so it borrow money from private banks (jpm, boa, citibank etc) and then is able to print money
>these private banks have no reserve limit, so they can loan any amount of money despite not having it
>the US government now owes private bankers lots of dollars + interest
>which means you and I owe private bankers lots of money
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513598912
>>513598577
>15 pbitd
Fuck off back to plebbit/biz/ it's you fucking 'end the fed stack silver' sub midwits starting sub-midwit OP topics like this
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598917
>>513598706
Wild wests are created, it isn't a matter of illusionary "progress".
Anonymous (ID: 5W38JBN2) United States No.513598932
>>513596445
In two weeks bro
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513598936 >>513599553
>>513598844
But there are ghost cities. You can see it on tiktok of people acrtually going there and seeing nothing
Anonymous (ID: YV4n7nJQ) United States No.513598952
>>513596231 (OP)
Don't worry it's about to be on Friday. (possibly Sat which would be more hilarious since it's the jew day)
Not a larp.
Yes i know things.
No I'm not the one in control, I just know things.
No I will not tell you because you'd say gay shit I don't feel like sitting here debating with you and honestly why would you believe me.
Anyway,
Friday.
You'll know what it is when you see it, screencap this.
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598962 >>513599475
>>513598641
And what mansion do you live in son?
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513598996
>>513598670
No one wants to come to this shithole anymore.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599033 >>513599383 >>513600072
>>513598886
You're correct, but there's one thing you have to realize.

You and I technically don't owe anything. They government just tricks us into thinking we do by making us use their fake ass money. In reality, if everyone stopped using dollars overnight and went back to say silver (just using as example), all that debt and shit would mean nothing to the average person. The only ones who lose then are the bankers and the ones who have been benefitting from the corrupt system.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513599166 >>513599283 >>513599288
>>513598886
The Federal Reserve creates money as reserves. It does not borrow. The rhetoric around the Fed as a purely private bank is also overwrought -- the Fed remits all interest it earns on government bonds it holds back to the Treasury, minus expenses. The Fed is essentially a government institution.

The government also isn't borrowing money -- though they go to some lengths to make it seem that way. Once government spends to a deficit, by identity they have created reserves in that amount. If reserves piled up in the system, they would drive the overnight interest rate down. So bonds are sold to drain excess reserves, whether it's the Fed selling them or the Treasury selling them. Of course, the Treasury is also forbidden from overdrafting its account at the Fed by the Federal Reserve Act, so they do have to time these bond sales accordingly.

But selling bonds is not actually a borrowing operation. The government creates its own money when it spends.
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513599262 >>513599392 >>513600072
>>513598859
>an answer
Thank you.

So is that going to be enough to cause hyper inflation or a massive return or the overseas dollars? Or do you rather think that there will be worse and worse auctions until no one buys?
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513599270
>>513598710
The money is not going into the economy, it is figitally going to accounts of private corporations, specifically the likes of Lockheed Martin. No need to print actual dollars. None of it is being invested into the the real economy either way.

Debt games are an issue of finance capital economies, which is what the US is primarily now. It does not produce much anymore and BRICs is a superior model to the nickel and dime economics promoted by the shit economics you are espousing.
Anonymous (ID: Dwbg2oMa) United States No.513599283 >>513599310 >>513599529
>>513599166
If the government has to pay it back, how is that not borrowing?
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599288 >>513599488
>>513599166
Why the fuck does the government need the Fed to make its own money
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599310 >>513599529 >>513599597
>>513599283
he's being disingenuous. They are borrowing it. That's the point of debt.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513599383 >>513599504 >>513599598 >>513606549
>>513599033
checked, True (getting *out of* USD as much as and in any way possible) definitely weakens the U.S./the west hegemony overall, that's what for example BRICS strategy is rn
But that's only part of the overall problem of global debt-based economic model and post-1970s Financialization of the global economy; an
infinitesimally tiny part, in full reality.
On an individual citizen basis, only a small percentage of citizens can actually 'stop using (debt note fiat currency) money'. It's just not possible beyond say (let's take U.S. populace for example), less that 15 percent of the mass populace ever to actually even do that. Yes they *SHOULD* and ought to but ngmi or happen
and there's the problem of fungibility/practicality, people have to eat and live and exchange, not everyone can move out of a centralized urban area etc.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599392
>>513599262
nta but what happens can go many ways. The reasonable approach is to end the fed and forgive all debt, and start back with issuing our own currency, even using silver/ gold again.

But since politicans are greedy and the rich are stupid, they'll try to save the sinking ship in some fashion with some authoritarian rule or law. That's when the fighting happens. Or no fighting at all based on how submissive people become.
Anonymous (ID: aFDpmP9A) United States No.513599465
the world's first holocaust is is the only reasonable solution to at least 90% of problems
Anonymous (ID: CPsFhTuc) United States No.513599475
>>513598962
In your mom's ass. There's plenty of room.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513599488
>>513599288
checked,
It doesn't. Gov can print U.S. Notes, the Federal Reserve banks can be nationalized
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599504 >>513600106
>>513599383
>people have to eat and live and exchange
This is the foundation of the problem with moving people away from the dependence on the government. The dollar is government money, and might as well be welfare as much as EBT and such are.

The fact we need to eat and live and have shelter is the one cavaet behind why everyone is so dependent and stupid. What sucks is that they could have even better living and less worries if they escaped the USD, but again...people are stupid, ignorant, and have no future sight.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513599529 >>513599687 >>513599945
>>513599283
>>513599310
The debt in denominated in dollars -- which the US manufactures. It can always afford to pay. There is no conceivable situation where the US can't afford to make an interest payment.

Now whether the US should be paying interest on debt is entirely different question. There is no accounting or natural law that would compel them to do so.

But the government absolutely does not need to borrow its own money unit from the population. It's patently absurd that anyone thinks this. It's politically advantageous for the ruling class to frame the debt this way, but rest assured they all understand exactly how it works.
Anonymous (ID: S9OgfJbI) United States No.513599553 >>513599586
>>513598936
This the same shit you were saying 20 years ago about the cities that are currently populated with millions of people, back when those cities were being built. US does not understand general planning or a planned economy, which is why the US is failing. You have to BUILD the factories first if you want to bring manufacturing back. US economy only cares about finance capital, not financing manufacturing or developing anything.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599586
>>513599553
what
Anonymous (ID: Dwbg2oMa) United States No.513599597 >>513599833 >>513600640
>>513599310
I wont pretend to know it all but I think the central issue is the government uses tax dollars to pay off interest owed to private banks, the same banks that have a zero reserve limit. And this system creates a cycle where the tax revenue must be increased every year to pay off an increasing debt but to increase tax revenue, more immigrants are brought in to reduce costs and increase profits which can then be taxed. This harms the citizens by increasing the number of foreigners and reduce jobs and available housing thus reducing quality of life for the citizens. So it seems to me the system is bad and needs to be removed.
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513599598
>>513599383
It is within the power of American jews to save the west by resorting to Precious Metals as a means of exchange.

It's not unnatural for them, but it is too anachronistic for many of their tastes.
Anonymous (ID: BFpmqM2j) United States No.513599661
i remember enjoying this book about 12 years ago. oh how the times change
Anonymous (ID: Dwbg2oMa) United States No.513599687 >>513599862
>>513599529
Wait. Are you saying the US government doesn't use tax dollars to pay interest on debts owed to private banks?
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513599833
>>513599597
it eventually reaches a boiling point cause it makes citizens start to fight each other due to cultural clashes, reduction of spending power, and a bunch of other bad shit.

See how this all stems directly from that one institution. Hitler was right.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513599862
>>513599687
Tax dollars are not used for revenue, so no. When the government spends, it simply net credits a bank account. It's no different than the way a private commercial bank pays you the interest on the savings account. They just mark it up -- it doesn't need to come from somewhere.
Anonymous (ID: 9RN7di6N) United States No.513599911
>>513598136
>kick non-europeans out
What about Americans?
Anonymous (ID: aZfqsjD+) Canada No.513599932
I heard you can ship gold securely to Malaysia and put it in a bank where it is stored, they issue you a debit card based off spot price that you can use internationally.
Anonymous (ID: lMZaSqpT) United States No.513599945 >>513600045
>>513599529
who owns a sizable chunk of that debt?

citizens, in multiple different investment vehicles, you communist shitbag.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513600045
>>513599945
Yes, that's true. Which citizens? Is it mostly pension funds and social security? -- maybe that's a good argument to keep paying interest. But it's a policy choice.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513600072 >>513600230 >>513600250
>>513599262
As the other anon >>513599033 said, it can go many ways (but I'm going to point out other than what he said)
Refer to the archive.4plebs topics. Some are predicting a global debt market = bond market, and global currency crisis.
Today, the way the global Financialized system is set up with its total dependence (as never before in human history, unprecedented) worldwide on a single denomination as default reserve, a mass exodus and loss of confidence in the bond market means instant run for the exits by everyone into
>other currencies / denominations (most of which are debt note fiat-central bank)
>hard assets
>precious metals
none of which could even happen fast enough, because all asset managers, banks and funds will have issued a credit freeze prior to that.
That's why these people e.g. Dalio are foreshadowing a global currency and debt crisis.

>worse and worse auctions until no one buys
This is the type of prediction that (Dalio and others) people think could be end of treasuries and the dollar, and also one of the things top priority for incoming administration (Treasury Secretary Bessent) to prevent: they've been doing all they can since Jan 2025 to get the gov *out of* shorter term, less than 2-yr treasuries (that previous Fed under Biden saddled us) and more into longer term 5- and 10-year bonds. (There's even a new 100-year bond program set up which has been controversial and earned ire of skeptics deservedly so imho esp. with global finance/economics in such an unprecedented precarious position)
If ? the U.S. Treasury Dept and all the other components (FRB, Congress and its $2T/spending habit) keep "plate spinning" Houdini trick alive long enough for annual gdp growth to increase enough
But they're still expanding the global debt gigabubble, and none of the Fundamentals of global Financialization have been addressed or ameliorated at all, we continue on the same Titanic voyage of gigadebt expansion no matter what. The ultimate blackpill
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513600106
>>513599504
True enough
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600230 >>513600862
>>513600072
It's all so tiresome. Instead of them trying to keep the ship afloat, it's time to do what the bankers did to the Titanic to bring about their Federal Reserve when they killed the guys on board that could have stopped it. Ironic that their shipping sink, the Debt based currency they made, is finally going down.

The simple solution is to return to hard assets and sound money. So simple, there is nothing complicated about it.
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513600250 >>513600532
>>513600072
>Ray Dalio
Some good pushback on Dalio and his ideas in this article. I'd recommend seeking out the primary material it references.

https://www.chinabankingnews.com/p/chinese-economists-recruit-ray-dalio
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513600268 >>513600416
>>513596231 (OP)
I will end this by saying,

I understand that jews are attempting to seek economic hermitage by doing an exit-scam on the United States, relocating to "Europe", and attempting to run their scam over again with paid-for allies (as always) in precious metals. Meanwhile their psyops of conflagration run full-bore in all white nations, giving enough time for them to secure a base.

I don't believe it's feasible. But you can damn sure try, cant you?

Nonetheless, jews and Whites will always exist, there is no historic presidence for this not being the case, we are going to run round and round with each other until the very end.
Anonymous (ID: EgA+N8sB) United States No.513600413 >>513603227
>>513596482
>This
You can end the fed but if you let the people responsible for it walk away with no punishment then they’ll just do it again.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600416 >>513600537
>>513600268
Didnt they bring that shit over here to New York to run their scam from London? The fact they will return to Europe is funny as hell.
Anonymous (ID: eqUzAP84) United Kingdom No.513600426 >>513600489 >>513600549
Congratulations. You and I are literally in the less than one percent who can fucking extrapolate ideas to a further extent than others. The second I figured out currency printing was behind almost all of the evil in the world and fuelling more evil I instantly recognised that the kike central banking system is behind it.

Good luck convincing these idiots though, most people seriously refuse to do anything about it personally to save themselves. We can only watch as the world burns but I will keep stacking my gold and silver because it's the only way out and the only answer the free market keeps coming to for over five thousand years.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600489 >>513619778
>>513600426
The fact Jake Shields knows more about the Fed than Nick Fuentes says a whole fucking lot.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513600532 >>513600601 >>513600714
>>513600250
>9 pbtid MMT-Tard that seems to be Paid Assigned to these banking topic threads on /pol/ <---- *I AM TRACKING (You)*
The 'ideas' aren't just Dalio's and the chinaslop article is about MMT which is what the DNC/socialists want, money is "infinite", grows on trees insane brainletard thinking (linked article is a mashup of Dalio with other concepts that aren't his and even he totally opposes in other words: Total Propaganda Slop)
Also don't just ad hominem post ('see a name, grab it, quick-google to find something that contradicts/smears') on 4chan it's brainlet behavior, MMT-tard
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513600537
>>513600416
>the fact they will return to Europe is funny as hell.
It doesn't matter for them.
Rootless capitalists and all. They danced around Europe for the majority of recorded history.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600549 >>513600981 >>513619709
>>513600426
And yes, it's very sad when you come to that conclusion. Because now you know why everything is so shit and you know the solution to fix it. But you see that no one around you even knows anything about the Fed or the fractional reserve banking or any of that shit. And it was made that way on purpose.

All the DEI stuff, the feminism, etc, it all exists because of that one fucking central bank. Occupy wall street was close, but it wasn't enough.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600601 >>513601066
>>513600532
all socialists/ communists need to be kicked out, shot, etc. We have so many countries as an example of how much bad socialism causes. And central and south america is a prime example of this shit in action.
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513600640 >>513600790
>>513599597
>government uses tax dollars to pay off interest
It says it does, but it actually doesn't.

There's a lot of voodoo involved because the scam needs to look like one thing to the people who don't know better and the actual functionality is wonky because a middleman is not actually required, but we have one.

Scam: Taxpayers fund the gov't
Reality: The Gov't issues currency via budget allocations to fund operations

Scam: National Debt is terrible, we need to stop spending and you need to pay us more taxes
Reality: National Debt is the money Gov't created to run itself and pay private entities like Boeing to run. Low or no debt means no money in circulation. Too much money in circulation = inflation.

Scam: Taxes pay for things
Reality: Tax money gets thrown in the incineration. By taking money out of the system via taxation, you can regulate the amount of money in circulation. Hence the reasons for so many exceptions and loopholes- if you have a "good reason" to have more money to spend, such as children, they let you.

Scam: Federal Reserve is federal
Reality: Federal Reserve is private and run by too big to fail banks. An unnecessary middleman

Scam: Perpetual growth/recessions are unavoidable
Reality: Fed member banks benefit significantly from booms and busts. They are deliberately created and timed. Stable or even negative growth could easily be achieved if they wanted it
Anonymous (ID: O7ViUJ/A) United States No.513600642
>>513596231 (OP)
The fed is just the biggest lever
must remove the jews

109 countries can't be wrong
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513600714 >>513600921
>>513600532
The point that Xu is making regarding Dalio is that his macroeconomic assumptions are simply wrong. He's right about that.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600790 >>513601453
>>513600640
>Reality: Tax money gets thrown in the incineration. By taking money out of the system via taxation, you can regulate the amount of money in circulation. Hence the reasons for so many exceptions and loopholes- if you have a "good reason" to have more money to spend, such as children, they let you.
ding ding ding

I hate that I learned this right as I get into my late 30s. It's fucking insane how much of a trick this entire money system as been. Taxes were never about paying for roads and all that silly shit. It was literally there to control the social money system of fiat currency. It makes so much fucking sense now. And yeah, all the tax breaks is basically their way of giving exceptions. But it's basically telling on themselves right in our faces.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513600862 >>513600960
>>513600230
>simple solution
Agreed for most people (that obviously are not part of the globalist 0.001 HNW class) this is the answer. But as we agree upthread, there's only so much to be done for citizens, and that citizens can even do/act upon, of each nation trapped inside this corrupt rotted system.
Best we can do is inform as many regular people how beyond-corrupt and theiving the banking system is overall. (Perhaps ?? that knowledge will be enough to impel and compel them to change their own personal/family/community lives and behavior, take action)

professor Werner brilliant clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0G7pY4wRE

Also get as many people everywhere to view Richard Werner's 7/28/2025 almost 3 hour interview, entertainment and eductation for all
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/511622826
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513600921 >>513601152
>>513600714
>10 pbtid MMT shill
>macroeconomic assumptions are simply wrong
(You)rs are.
not just the 'assumptions' it's the *comprehension* of reality itself.
(MMT is not how *ANY* of this works at all whatsoever, and moreover is a psyop by central bank top elites)
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513600960 >>513601216
>>513600862
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0G7pY4wRE
Ive watched that already but Ive always liked this quote

>When you deposit to a bank, youre lending them money.
>Banks are in the business of purchasing securities. That's it.
>A deposit is a bank's debt to the public.

I don't know a single person irl over the past 30 years who knew this as a fact.
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513600981 >>513601167 >>513601509
>>513600549
>Occupy wall street was close, but it wasn't enough
They were getting too close. I was teaching people about fractional reserve before the crash and they were horrified. When the crash happened they came back to me and said "The money was never there in the first place, was it?"

Fast forward to COVID and Jerome is on national television telling people "Don't worry, I am going to print money out of nothing."

It was RIGHT THERE and most people either didn't get it or wisely keep it to themselves.
Anonymous (ID: aZfqsjD+) Canada No.513601038
Fuck people don't even understand what causes inflation for fucks sake, it's demoralizing.
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513601066
>>513600601
>all socialists/ communists
You do know that the current administration would count under your definition, right?
Anonymous (ID: voGGsHOb) United States No.513601152
>>513600921
Top central bank elites are the ones telling us that there is no structural need to pay interest on government bonds? Or that a permanent zero interest rate is a good and logical policy? Maybe Jerome Powell just didn't get the message.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513601167 >>513601264
>>513600981
I had one of my old coworkers tell me what precisely was going to happen before Covid hit. Down to when everyone was going to go into lockdown. He always followed money and he knew what they were up to. That's how I found out Covid was fake.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513601216
>>513600960
One of the best brief quotes from the outstanding DW documentary 'The Money Deluge' is a man-on-street clip from an older gentleman in Zurich:
>"I'm a former banker, now retired. I can't say that with pride anymore. They're casinos now."


The Money Deluge <----*must* watch, 42 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs
Anonymous (ID: aZfqsjD+) Canada No.513601264 >>513601509
>>513601167
We had a family friend high up in the military tip us off and warn us.
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513601453 >>513602881 >>513619837
>>513600790
>But it's basically telling on themselves right in our faces.
Ya, once you see it you can't unsee it. I had to pay huge amounts of taxes on wages that were just above minimum wage when I entered the workforce and couldn't write off my health insurance premiums because my employer wouldn't allow me to pay in pretax. Later on I get a status change and I am paying far less taxes and have other ways I can take advantage.

I get the point of what they are doing but it's absurd, we cripple the people who are trying to get ahead while allowing people who have more than they can possibly spend come in be exempt. All for something that gets burned once you hand it over.

We have an absurd system, or maybe I'm just looking at it from the perspective of how it should help citizens- it's probably not designed to do that.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513601509 >>513601813
>>513600981
>>513601264
>covid never-before-in-human-history global lockdown
Yes it was about the mid-2019 overnight repo collapse, which by the end of that year was apparent to the investment banks that *total collapse* of the system was imminent. So they threw the Wuhan lever

See : ----------------- >>513597777

Without covid and the $12T liquidity injection that came as a result of it, there would have been a global credit freeze (of even greater magnitude than the one that would have happened 2008 without that bailout)

We are all still in rn the global economic collapse that started in 2019 with the investment banks' overnight repo crisis
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513601813 >>513602096 >>513602387
>>513601509
>Muh overnight repo
>So they threw the Wuhan lever

They don't do anything in geo-politics with a singular purpose. the "fail-safe" ought to run into a win condition as well.

It's why the whole narrative gets straddled when it comes to COVID. real niggas know.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513602096 >>513602204 >>513602348 >>513603413
>>513601813
>8 pbtid "muh singular"
Global investment bank finance (collapse, and re-liquidization) was *the* main reason why covid was rolled out.
'Bonuses' were :
>Trump ejected (thanks to nationwide illegal fraudulent mass mail ballots)
>compliance porn tyranny
>mass formation (<--look it up)
>increase/rachet-up gov authoritarion controls (similar to USAPatriotAct, DHS after 9/11)
>Fearmongering over populace

Did 9/11 have just one 'singular' purpose?

(You) are a Midwit.
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513602204
>>513602096
good morning
Anonymous (ID: Dwbg2oMa) United States No.513602348 >>513602500
>>513602096
Provide proof of the 2024 election being stolen
Anonymous (ID: aZfqsjD+) Canada No.513602387 >>513602434 >>513602592
>>513601813
> They don't do anything in geo-politics with a singular purpose.
absolutely true, the covid thing is so complex normal people cannot wrap their brain around it.
there are so many aspects in play.
Anonymous (ID: Dwbg2oMa) United States No.513602434 >>513602727
>>513602387
What are they?
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513602500
>>513602348
Blood capsules Butler Pennsylvania, amirite?
Anonymous (ID: BNhV0SV/) United States No.513602570 >>513619910
>>513596231 (OP)
everyone here knows it's the source of everything wrong with modern society. That endless money printing props up all these fake jobs and fake economy while discouraging real actual productivity.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513602592
>>513602387
Add (to my greentext list above):
>pharmaceutical corporation profits
>global human genetic modification experiment
>social mass media NGO censorship networks
Anonymous (ID: aZfqsjD+) Canada No.513602727
>>513602434
honestly too many to list here atm, I am thinking of outlining my research into a list, just to cover it all.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513602881
>>513601453
>We have an absurd system
that's for sure
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513602888 >>513603495
>>513598136
>end the fed
But the clown didn't end the central bank.
The meaning of "FED" is beyond grasp of naziboo tards I see.
Anonymous (ID: ALs6N8nm) United States No.513603227
>>513597790
This anon
>>513600413
Sorta has my thought. Ending the fed isnt enough on its own. And if the fed was seized from jews (...suggested very hesitantly), plus jews kicked out, plus other forms of splitting up the multicult, maybe not the worst play to make.

At the end of the day:
End fed (good)
+ kick jews out (even better)
++ zoharic prophecy multicult intact
(ie. rebuilding babel against God's will, destroying diversity)
= still jewish trash / what jews want

Have to remember that playing the looooooooong game (as in, centuries) is jewrat SMO
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513603413 >>513603808
>>513602096
>Trump ejected
That clearly wasn't one of the goals, Trump did a great job supporting the COVID rollout. He may have even asked for the time off, they let him take the seat again this year after pretending to shoot at him.

You shouldn't be having meltdowns about supposedly voting numbers. If it made any difference it would be illegal. The Uniparty runs on plans and backups, not the will of the people.
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513603495 >>513603858 >>513619985
>>513602888
btw, the problem isn't that ze Joos (or le reptilians) are running the fed. The problem is that the fed (aka central bank) exists.
Anonymous (ID: 0S0A/4kz) Slovenia No.513603570
>>513596231 (OP)
>End the Fed
>a book by a globohomo ((((investor))))
sure thing kike, you just want to replace it with something even shittier

governments need to fall and the whole system collapse, no reform will ever work
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513603757
Had wanted to include in this >>513598859 post (and also related to >>513597777), as addendum:

Prescient December 2019 panel forecasting the global situation, one month prior to covid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-Q

We're macro-economically still in the same broad situation, and also the exact same six-year ongoing collapse, after the mid-2019 overnight repo collapse and subsequent covid never-before-in-human-history global lockdown with the $13T in liquidity injections (<--that kept the black box gigacasino of investment banks on life support another ~2 years).
Only difference, today 2025: global debt market is far more volatile and unstable than it was six years ago, and of course global debt has increased by another $80T
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513603808 >>513605526
>>513603413
>Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) memeflag 6 pbtid gptBot
Anonymous (ID: ALs6N8nm) United States No.513603858 >>513604385
>>513603495
Its a big problem, a world-ending liability, just to have jews in the same geography, let alone allow them to manage your monetary system.
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513604385 >>513605134 >>513620409
>>513603858
The current, fraudulent Western monetary system was conceived by "Lord" Maynard Keynes. He was a faggot all right but not a Jew.
>allow them to manage your monetary system.
if there is a "monetary system" to "manage" it will be used to fleece the population and funnel the wealth into the pockets of a tiny "elite". I can't see the difference between a Jew, an Aryan, or a Superslav robbing me blind.
Anonymous (ID: EgA+N8sB) United States No.513604388
>>513598366
Humanity has been going through this same cycle with them for literally thousands of years now
Anonymous (ID: SQeVPWxN) United States No.513604761
>>513598136
>end the fed
>bring back hitler

Alright, pick one and ONLY one, you stupid retards. Hitler WAS the federal government back in the fucking day and they did their share of nationalizing well outside of banks.

Stupid retards jumping from one government trap to another.
Jacob (ID: 8yugwpiu) United States No.513604958
>>513596231 (OP)
OP is actually helicopter Ben crying and trying to regain even more of his lost sheckels.

The fate of such slavers IS...

Not Good.
Anonymous (ID: ALs6N8nm) United States No.513605134 >>513605679 >>513606097
>>513604385
Point well made, but there may be a difference in that the jew will rob you and then use that money to permanently destroy you (ie. Immigration, racemixing, d&c agendas, etc). If you are polish, and a polish tiny elite is hoarding wealth, at least you stand a better chance of said elite caring about the people's wellbeing, in spite of the act of robbing from them. With jews its a guarantee that you'll lose.
NOT advocating for CB btw. Most likely im more interested in your proposals among this exchange, than my own devil's advocated suggestions
Jacob (ID: 8yugwpiu) United States No.513605267
Friends please resurrect the video of a fuzzy bear explaining the laughable fraud and horrific externalities of the monetary system and repeatedly segueing with 'NOT SO' !
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513605526
>>513603808
Problem with my post? I'm enjoying some of yours. I miss when ZeroHedge was cool.
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513605679 >>513610448
>>513605134
>Most likely im more interested in your proposals among this exchange, than my own devil's advocated suggestions
This is a (short and accessible) book with exact diagnosis of the problem and a proposed solution (removing the "lender of last resort" really which only helps the bankers to perpetuate the fraud and delay its disastrous consequences for few more election cadences).
https://mises.org/library/book/case-against-fed
Banking isn't "as" complex as they pretend it to be but it still extends the scope of a single 4chan shitpost. You need a book for that really.
Anonymous (ID: sV/Xgjpi) Australia No.513605843 >>513612128
Based OP
Mandatory viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm6oeRgxs0A

follow up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VauMFaHJT0
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513606097 >>513606818 >>513620143 >>513620181
>>513605134
>a polish tiny elite is hoarding wealth, at least you stand a better chance of said elite caring about the people's wellbeing
Correct me if I'm wrong, this the central fallacy of /pol/, that if the jews are removed the oligarchs that take over after will be humane and take care of the cute little towns, cities and countries in some sort of nationalist pride thing, right?

If so, we are too far past that for anything like that to ever happen. The "Elite" are world citizens running economic zones. You are a human resource for extraction, not something to be treasured and preserved.

If you want to live a life of anything other than being a caged resource, you may want to think about a system that keeps anyone from having that sort of power over citizens.
Anonymous (ID: emmBW1Sr) Belgium No.513606549 >>513606925
>>513599383
dude, there's literally no problem for regular people if you understand how the system works:
>don't save money in the bank
only stack hard assets with stable value
>don't get a mortgage; avoid all debt like cancer
find alternative ways to finance a house:
1. build it yourself and save on taxes twice
2. organize a cooperative living project to share housing expenses
3. move to the countryside where it's cheaper anyway (and no niggers)
4. be self-employed; work for money only when you need cash. If you don't need cash, work for favors, food or other things (barter)
5. never let large amount of money sit in your bank account. Every second it decreases in value and you never know when the currency might implode.
Use the fake money the way it is meant to be used. Use it for day to day transactions. Don't use it to store wealth.
Anonymous (ID: emmBW1Sr) Belgium No.513606818 >>513607173 >>513607422
>>513606097
>you may want to think about a system that keeps anyone from having that sort of power over citizens.
you can't control it because it ruins life for everyone else. The only solution is for the vast majority of people to understand what is going on and not fall for greed. The only reason you're being extracted is because you willingly do so. You complain about being a wage slave but you did it to yourself because you think you need meaningless material stuff to be someone.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513606925 >>513607137
>>513606549
>non-U.S. flag "no problem"
Sorry, re-read my post (You) replied to.
All of what you posted is valid and ought to be done (by everyone), that's not the point. <--

It's a *big* problem for many people to struggle to achieve even just one of those. That's the problem. Whether these things reasonably *can* even be done/accomplished by the average person given the circumstances and how system is set up.
Even if they can be accomplished, by people of moderate means, who are working fulltime jobs for shitty salary/pay, who have families to support etc. it can take decades to accomplish one or two of the core things on that list.

Typing up a list on 4chan is "no problem" nor is reading the list and agreeing
>'yep, that's what everyone ought to do / be doing'
It's logical and reasonable.
Problem arrives when we consider the dire circumstances predicament virtually everyone is in, and how restricted they are to even grasp / attain a few simple basic plans, things to get them out of that predicament. It's *far* more difficult than what you posted, to actually do and attain those goals.
Anonymous (ID: emmBW1Sr) Belgium No.513607137 >>513607340
>>513606925
if you're a millennial and you got kids when you're complaining about wage slavery then you did it to yourself. I'm sorry but you can't be responsible for someone else if you haven't figured out how to be responsible for yourself. You current struggle is simply your lesson. It might be harsh, but it's the truth.
>It's *far* more difficult than what you posted, to actually do and attain those goals.
that's a problem of belief/faith in yourself on your end. That's your own problem to solve.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513607173 >>513607467
>>513606818
>"you think you need meaningless material stuff"
Stuff like rent and groceries.

/pol/ and 4chan like to make fun of, ridicule consoooomers but the fact is, lots of people not just in U.S. but across the west are one paycheck away from living in a cardboard box.

People here in the United States right now 2025 are paying for their weekly/monthly groceries with credit cards, and this has vastly increased over past 3 years; there's that app (forget the name) now that allows you to pay for cheap single food items _on credit_.
Let me restate that: people in America (and Europe) rn are paying for groceries that only five or ten years ago were one-third or one-fourth the prices they are now, using credit because they can't come up with the cash to buy their own fucking food.

We won't even go into rent or housing (been discussed to death on other /pol/ topic threads)

Nobody can afford to live, any more. People are working multiple jobs, incomes and they can't pay their rent or for weekly groceries because they *can't afford* to.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513607340 >>513607467
>>513607137
See post immediately below (You)rs.
(You) are the one implying 'savior' or that
>"these lazy assholes always want someone / the gov to bail them out"
^That is *(You)r* tone and attitude.
The system does not work and is not working. We're talking about *educated /skilled people* and married couples, with careers and steady incomes from multiple jobs, they live in modest housing and can't afford to pay utility bills and for groceries.
These are *hard working* employed (i.e. they're not NEETs or unemployed) people, not the caricatures in (You)r #%@mposting

I can only interpret that (You) are a disingenous Paid Shill sent into this topic to disrupt it (because have seen the exact same bullshit a million times prior).
Anonymous (ID: rzNTu3Kc) No.513607422
>>513606818
>you can't control it because it ruins life for everyone else
Can't control what? How much of an economy a single citizen can have?

>The only solution is for the vast majority of people to understand what is going on and not fall for greed
I agree that this would be ideal, but it's impossible in large societies. Greedy people always want to circumvent the rules to get a larger portion and most citizens don't want to bother with more than their daily life.

The most you can hope for here is a general awareness of what's good to support in the system and what's not. Offshoring is a good example.

>The only reason you're being extracted is because you willingly do so
I've never been a good extraction target, but that's neither here nor there- I am encouraging people like you who may have a chance to do something to think bigger and better than the choices offered at the vending machine. I don't have a stake in the game so it's not appropriate for me to get involved.

>You complain about being a wage slave but you did it to yourself
I got lucky, I'm not on anyone's clock

>because you think you need meaningless material stuff to be someone
I'm not sure where you got that from. Material things are nice but they are no substitute for the intangibles.
Anonymous (ID: emmBW1Sr) Belgium No.513607467 >>513607820 >>513608072
>>513607173
>rent and groceries
if it was just that it would be less of a problem. You seem to not understand how easy it is to piss money away.
For starters, food should be bought in bulk. It saves you money and frequent trips to the store.
Water should be gotten from a source. Milk from a farmer.
You have no idea how much high quality food you can get for 100 dollars. 100 dollars lasts you 3 months if you spend it wisely.
>>513607340
all your energy is saying: "b-but it's not my fault; it's the fault of the elites who ruin it for everyone"

Nigger, even with the jews in control you still have more comfort and leisure time than niggers in the dark ages. It's just easier to be angry and complain and blame the world. The problem is that you have no faith. If you have no faith, that's proof the jews own you. And that's on you. Not on them.

Anyway, I told you what you needed to know. I'm not wasting my time on this anymore. You're smart enough to figure it out for yourself.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513607820
>>513607467
>non-U.S. flag "b-but it's not my fault" "piss money
away"
No that is *(You)* and pontific attitude, again.
*Hard working* people are getting screwed, they have *No Way To Purchase A Home Or Be Eligible For A Mortgage Even With Robust 2-Incomes*
That is what we are discussing.
The hard working couples both-employed with incomes that are not getting approved to buy a home, aren't "pissing money away" (You) disingenuous Projecting faggot fucktard. These are people that aren't just hard working they know the value of money, are scrupulous and save.
Already agreed upthread that (You)r Stupid Fucking List is easy to type and upload to 4chan
>'oh waAAAow just build your own house, be self employed and hoard gold/silver, move out of the city'
Nobody can easily enact or make real any of that in this ever-worsening system in which (just for one example) home prices have tripled in the past decade, and grocery prices since the lockdowns have almost doubled, while wages and salaries nationwide remain stagnant. That is *REALITY* (not "blame the system" or "muh elites" <--whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

The rest of (You)r post is fucking drivel, lying disingenuous Paid Disinformationalist Shill.
Fuck (You) Paid Shill
Anonymous (ID: X4zzGgie) Germany No.513607933 >>513610214
>>513596231 (OP)
Most important thread on /pol/ rn.
"Money" aka fake notes with no value are indeed the root source of all problems.
It's always the beginning of the end of a count if it decides to get rid off international jewrey aka central banking.
Think Ghadaffi, think Hitler, think North Korea, think Syria.
Every time you get rid of jewish central banking schemes something happens.
Fuck the kikes, TKD now
Anonymous (ID: FUH6/jIz) United States No.513608072 >>513610039
>>513607467
>Anyway, I told you what you needed to know. I'm not wasting my time on this anymore. You're smart enough to figure it out for yourself.

You didn't say shit, quit being a kike. Running apologies for jews doesn't make you woke.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513610039
>>513608072
All kinds of narrative-disruptor Paid Shills like that in these banking and economics threads, same every single time
>'j-just work harder goy' / 'already told what you need to do' / 'build yr own house' / 'tough titty you should have known'
regurgitated Dave Ramsey upchuck slop
Anonymous (ID: 1zVa2yA1) United States No.513610214
>>513607933
>born in 1995
It was over before it even started...
Anonymous (ID: ALs6N8nm) United States No.513610448
>>513605679
Thx for that. New bedtime material for me
Anonymous (ID: qqiXFfVI) United States No.513610458
>>513596231 (OP)
>No one fucking believes me when I tell them the solution to fixing every single problem not only in the US, but the world itself. This one entity needs to be destroyed and everything will be fixed. That or kicking out jews, which will also end the Fed. Take your pick. Either option will lead to some conflict, but we need it.
Agreed. Can we do both?
Anonymous (ID: qqiXFfVI) United States No.513610498
>>513596517
Anonymous (ID: qqiXFfVI) United States No.513610509
Anonymous (ID: tmuFy80p) United States No.513611145
>>513596231 (OP)
Why didn't meme magic get him elected?
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513612128
>>513605843
>Mandatory viewing
>'The Money Masters' (1996)
>'The Secret of Oz'

Bill Still is a must watch, both of these are mandatory and for re-viewing and study. Take notes while viewing 'The Money Masters' it is equivalent to a graduate seminar on the history of banking.
Anonymous (ID: tNPYu5vi) United States No.513613722 >>513615860
>>513596540
It was a 100 year charter. All Trump had to do was not renew it in his first term. Oops.
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513615860
>>513613722
The FRS banks ought be nationalized and they can do it this term.
Anonymous (ID: X4zzGgie) Germany No.513617196 >>513618731 >>513619890
As soon as real info is dropped into the threads the shills go silent and the thread dies, like every fucking time
Anonymous (ID: iId9IrIX) No.513618344
>>513596231 (OP)
Anonymous (ID: KOfjfmWi) United States No.513618731
>>513617196
Yes but they come and go, the other thing that triggers shill presence is *any consensus discussion* that is built within a particular thread topic itself; the shills will derail and demolish that consensus, agreement, concurrence between users discussing the topic.

But yes correct: the real totally based info that can not be countered, makes them stfu
Anonymous (ID: RfEvMLkf) United Kingdom No.513619709 >>513620481
>>513600549
I am so absolutely and completely demoralised by the fact that I can explain inflation as "the expansion of the currency and credit supply in a system with limited goods and services which causes the prices to rise as limited goods and services absorb excess liquidity" and these fucking retards will argue with me that I don't know how the economy works, so much so to the point that I now feel these people are deserving of having their purchasing power robbed and every piece of gold and silver I stack is a fuck you to the NPC demons who are happy with this system of usury.
Anonymous (ID: RfEvMLkf) United Kingdom No.513619778
>>513600489
Nah nick knows, he must know because he's going straight for the source, we all have to say it's the central banks but he's outright telling you it's the kikes because they're the ones running these central banks.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513619837
>>513601453
>or maybe I'm just looking at it from the perspective of how it should help citizens
That's literally what it's suppose to be doing, but instead, all the bailouts and the spending on foreign affairs says it's being used on anything but domestic. And all the welfare and social security exists only because of voting and party loyalty. They wouldnt care otherwise.
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513619890
>>513617196
This is what nazibooism does to motherfucka.
It destroys any real opposition with its utter retardation.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513619910
>>513602570
>everyone here knows it's the source of everything wrong with modern society
you'd be surprised how many dont know
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513619985 >>513620409
>>513603495
But technically it is the jews. They're the ones who are behind every major war and financial takeover in history. Even all the european wars were banker wars. It's funny how much violence jews have caused.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513620143
>>513606097
The real problem is that the politicians and government people AT THE VERY TOP were literally groomed in college to become Israel/ jew shills. DeSantis and Vance are literally the prime examples of this.

You also see this with congress standing and clapping for Netanyahu when he came to the congress house for a full 25 minutes, followed by congress members literally taking trips to Israel. It's fucking insane.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513620181
>>513606097
>If you want to live a life of anything other than being a caged resource, you may want to think about a system that keeps anyone from having that sort of power over citizens.
Also, we have a system like that. It's called the US constitution.
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513620409 >>513620515
>>513619985
>But technically it is the jews
Nonsense. WASPs have been ruling in the Anglosphere. Jews were "removed from 109 countries" anywhere else. Secret rulers my ass. Scapegoats, that's it. Besides: >>513604385
SOLVE THE FUCKING PROBLEM AND STOP SCREECHING
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513620481
>>513619709
Unfortunately, we need those people to get with the system so the select few smart ones can make a living and build a better future.
Anonymous (ID: 4gM3eN3a) United States No.513620515 >>513620685
>>513620409
who do you think funded them?
Anonymous (ID: lroKBpy5) Poland No.513620685 >>513621077
>>513620515
Funded whom. WASPs have the power to ROB everybody. STEAL what they want. Actual rulers (the "nobility") did that countless times in history.
Anonymous (ID: PQ2iuGjH) Canada No.513621050
>>513596231 (OP)
No fiat order has run perpetually in the 5000 years of the provided historical narrative, it ends itself. Average lifespan 60 years

Bitcoin possesses alot of desirable properties to roll the turning over with, why not just let the beast die while using it to build the new?

Pwrk2

Power mountain, laser required
Anonymous (ID: l+8gPayi) United States No.513621077
>>513620685
no, this is the first time in jewish history and American history, the FED, has an amendment to guarantee (income tax) the safety of treasury investments. It was always charters etc before. The situation is dire and the jews have never had this much power. But i do agree, underlining power in the west still lies with WASPS, jews just have more power then ever before
Anonymous (ID: l+8gPayi) United States No.513621185
if you read the tea leaves however, the powers that be are toying with the idea of eliminating income tax
Anonymous (ID: xfYuZaWc) United States No.513621195 >>513621308
>>513596482
If you destroy the Rothschild bank in one country, you must destroy them all.

Better solution is repeated orbital bombardment of London and Switzerland, to depopulate and completely destroy the heart and brain of the global infrastructure. Orbital bombardment with non-radiological material to reduce digital damage.
Anonymous (ID: l+8gPayi) United States No.513621308
>>513621195
dont even need to do that, Abe lincholn already crafted an American first fiat currency, the blueprint is literally already here to move on from the Rothschilds central banking
Anonymous (ID: YqXC8SFG) Germany No.513621612
>>513596664
>Im sure you can guess that one.
Killing and vilifying your own people, then opening up the entire country to niggers and jews, funding 2 world wars and acting like you are one of the good goys now?