Thread 514908133

>>514908133 (OP)
Oh? What species is this being of then?

>>514908292
Alien

>>514908133 (OP)
Would.

>>514908133 (OP)
What makes you think that you are human yourself?

>>514908133 (OP)
That is what humans will look like in 500 years

>>514908133 (OP)
checked

>>514908133 (OP)
More human than you vile schlomo

>>514908133 (OP)
mother didnt deserve a baby

Thats more human than barrack obama

At what age does a human become a human? Die slow kike

>>514908133 (OP)
I was like that.
I am human.
That is human.

>>514908133 (OP)
It's not a fucking chicken

>>514908800
>At what age does a human become a human? Die slow kike
How old are you?
Oh.
Now is that measured from birth or conception?

>>514909097
>I must kill babies
The pedo obsessed witch hunter Redditor. Perfect example

>>514908687
lmao

>>514908133 (OP)
>10 threads at once
totally organic
Sega

>>514909097
>If humans start counting time starting on your birthday, your birthday must be when life begins! Our cultural traditions ARE science.

>>514909204
>If humans start counting time starting on your birthday,
If "how old are you" is immediately translated to "how long since you were born", then that would indicate a cultural norm.
That out of the way, your new age religion that isn't a cultural norm doesn't get to hijack shit because you need attention. Fuck off.

>>514908133 (OP)
>OP wants to convince you that fetus is not a human.
You aren't human either.

>>514908133 (OP)
more human than you are, troon. I care if that "not even real" fetus dies while I pray that you neck yourself, troon.

>>514909425
"If you don't include the 9 months that you were in the womb as part of your age, that means you don't believe life starts at conception!"
Shut the fuck up retard. I hate retards like you who think they know what I believe better than I do. Jewish dog.

>>514909858
>"If you don't include the 9 months that you were in the womb as part of your age, that means you don't believe life starts at conception!"
It means that our culture follows something other than your new age religion.
So why should I follow your nonsense?

>>514910139
Because it's true. You're going to reject truth because it doesn't align with your culture? Really?

>>514910205
>Because it's true
Go on with the proof...

>>514910266
Okay, what is "life"?

>>514910314
>Okay, what is "life"?
What is dodging the question? Did you change your mind about having "truth"?

>>514910378
How are we going to agree on where life begins unless we agree on what life is?

>>514908133 (OP)
thats a scale model of an elephant fetus, the trunk just hasn't developed yet

>>514908133 (OP)
That attitude is why our planet is quarantined.

>>514910139
I have taken to including the 26 years I was an egg in my mother's ovary to my age, plus my conception. I'm like 60

>>514910471
>How are we going to agree on where life begins unless we agree on what life is?
My statement is based on a cultural norm. It seems settled. If you have something to add, you can easily do so. But you want me to play the question game. Make statements if you have them.

>>514910590
>It seems settled.
Fucking Jews trying to control the narrative. Playing fruity little games instead of engaging in the discussion. Since we don't have an agreement on what life is, I can't prove to you that life begins at inception, because YOU have made it impossible.
Gradually, I began to hate them.

>>514908133 (OP)
It's white so it is, if it's a nigger/mulatto/spic etc. then it's not and should be aborted

>>514910699
>Playing fruity little games instead of engaging in the discussion. Since we don't have an agreement on what life is, I can't prove to you that life begins at inception, because YOU have made it impossible.
So you have the truth but you also don't because of fruity games. I don't think truth is dependent on whether or not I play "fruity games".

>>514908133 (OP)
Leftists want humans to believe their human also.

>>514910579
And if you live another 3 it will be a miracle.

>>514908133 (OP)
It is

>>514911134
>It is
The hand or the piece of engraved plastic?

the fact that this thread is still up means that a fetus is not human, otherwise this picture would be CP

>>514908579
Being from Russia, you probably get asked that question a lot.

>>514909504
A human blastocyst is not a human being until it is born. That's our law, science, culture, history, medicine and language.

>>514908133 (OP)
That's a baby bird

>>514911782
the ukranny lost

>>514910471
If a living sperm fertilizes a living egg, then it's a continuation of life. That's how real biologists see it.

>>514912044
>If a living sperm fertilizes a living egg, then it's a continuation of life. That's how real biologists see it.
Also worth pointing out that the egg and sperm counted as "life" before joining. Because of real biology.

>>514910902
You're correct, the truth doesn't depend on your games. You've shown yourself to not care about the truth though because you refuse to engage in discourse, demanding instead a lecture. I'm not going to give you a lecture.

>>514912632
>You've shown yourself to not care about the truth though because you refuse to engage in discourse
Truth doesn't need my participation. What you have needs my participation.

>>514908133 (OP)
It is human. It is a baby boy. You looked like this once.
Unless you are a demon.

>>514911911
But OP is not a human.

>>514912940
>It is human. It is a baby boy. You looked like this once.
>Unless you are a demon.
I'm not saying this to disagree, but you realize you called all women demons.

>>514912805
Yes, it doesn't, but discussion does. An egg that has successfully been fertilized is the start of a new human.

>>514912239
They were integral parts of a living organism. If you remove the sperm or egg from a living animal and place them on a rock outside, for example, it will stop being living tissue. Just like if you remove an embryo from a uterus and leave it on its own, it will soon not be living tissue any more.

Btw, how many people do you see in pic rel?

>>514908133 (OP)
I mean it is objectively a human you retard, its genetically 100% a homo sapien. Certainly not a person, and not the same as you or I in any sense. But there's no denying it's human.

>>514913089
When do you celebrate your Fertilizer Day?

>>514913089
>An egg that has successfully been fertilized is the start of a new human.
Since you are in disagreement with long standing cultural norms, you understand that your proof of this will be under scrutiny. I could just as easily say when the cells embed into the uterus it becomes a new human. Or after the child is past the terrible twos. Without proof, those are all just ideas that conflict with culture and are not agreed upon scientifically. Your new age belief isn't "true" just because you want it to be.

>>514913282
Already talked about why that argument is retarded.
>>514909858
You another Talmud lover?

>>514913422
Then I'd love to hear when you believe life began. If you haven't noticed, there's a HUGE pushback against abortion, so it's hardly "settled science".

>>514913092
0, that's a darkie

>>514908292
5'11.

>stab a pregnant woman
>kill her
>get charged with 2 crimes pertaining to homicide
>woman decides she doesn't want the baby
>oh, that's fine, throw it in the garbage for all we care, it's a fucking parasite

>>514913521
>so it's hardly "settled science".
That goes both ways. You aren't automatically right because science isn't settled.
But most people, when asked their age, give a number based on birth rather than conception. Not scientific, to be sure. not saying it's scientific. but it's cultural. And you want to change culture without any "settled science".

>>514908133 (OP)
More human than you.

>>514913815
Let's assume you are correct for the sake of debate. By your logic, there's nothing wrong with aborting an 8 month old fetus because it hasn't been born yet, therefore isn't human and it isn't murder. Yes or no?

It's white so it's literally a tiny human. So what if it's not viable outside the womb yet? It would be if you didn't decapitate it with a tiny chainsaw and then vacuum it out that haunted pussy.

That said, can we get the nonwhite abortion numbers up to 80-90% please

all abortion is a form of child sacrifice, whether you overtly knowingly do so or not. most people sacrifice their unborn child for selfish reasons, such as freedom to continue being a whore or wagie or anime gooner or whatever. some people unironically sacrifice (such a kikes who become doctors or fund abortion clinics) for their religious god(s). i dont even claim a religion, but i do know my soul says that shit is bad for you.

>>514913961
>By your logic, there's nothing wrong with aborting an 8 month old fetus because it hasn't been born yet, therefore isn't human and it isn't murder. Yes or no?
By my logic, it isn't a person until it's older than 2. But culturally, birth is when it starts aging.

>>514914364
You're not even human, no wonder you don't understand.

>>514914435
>You're not even human, no wonder you don't understand.
By your logic, neither are you.

>>514908133 (OP)
At what point does the human embryo become a human then?

>>514908133 (OP)

looks more human than the average jew like OP.

SAGED.

>>514914524
my wife watches a lot of pro-lifers activist videos where they go to leftist cities and universities to talk on the street. its hilarious watching NPCs (mostly women) come up with every retarded cope and pilpul under the sun to defend their pro-abortion stances

the only true objective anyone has for pro-abortion is that
>i believe it is my right as an individual to kill my baby prematurely in the womb
thats it. no cope about MUH RAPE or MUH INCEST or MUH BODY. just be blunt: im an american and i believe this is my freedom. the hilarious catch 22 is that NPCs (mostly women) -SIMUTANEOUSLY- believe they are moral and good people, when they are not.

>>514914928
>the only true objective anyone has for pro-abortion is that
the only true objective argument anyone has for pro-abortion is that*

>>514914989
>the only true objective argument anyone has for pro-abortion is that:
So they actually present a true objective argument.

>>514915234
the problem is they never argue as such. the MUH BODY cope comes close, but it doesnt address the whats the baby's body vs woman's body counter point. the full complete argument is the one i greentext, but its a huge gotcha for 90% of women because they refuse to admit outloud theres any murder/killing going on

it also hilarious when you do see a pro-choicer who is brazenly vocal about killing babies. it usually immediately turns off any bystanders, even those that agree, because its so distasteful to be associated with

>>514915645
>the problem is they never argue as such.
Are you intentionally walking back your previous claim?

>>514915807
you have reading comprehension issues or something?

>>514915913
>you have reading comprehension issues or something?
It seems you are having problems explaining things.
Do they have a true objective argument or do they never argue as such?

>>514915234
the only true objective anyone has for pro-abortion is that "i believe it is my right as an individual to kill my baby prematurely in the womb"
You might want to check out what the subject of that sentence is before you start gloating. You can't just pick out sentence fragments randomly and imagine what other people wrote.

>>514914524
blows my mind

>>514914928
>514913092
How many people in pic rel?

>>514916528
>he only true objective argument anyone has for pro-abortion is that "i believe it is my right as an individual to kill my baby prematurely in the womb"
>You might want to check out what the subject of that sentence is before you start gloating. You can't just pick out sentence fragments randomly and imagine what other people wrote.
Argument?
Isn't that the subject of the sentence?

Fuck moral relativists. They deserve to die along with their kike masters for. If brown people are the most potent biological weapon of the kikes, moral relativist NPCs are the endgame metaphysical WMD. They alone have the potential to completely eradicate humanity in a fractal manner.

>>514910590
at minimum 41% of americans are pro life. is their viewpoint not a part of culture? there is not a hard and fast agreement of when life begins, we just count from the day of birth for the sake of convenience. this is really flimsy sophistry.

>>514917820
>at minimum 41% of americans are pro life. is their viewpoint not a part of culture?
Interesting snapshot of today. bell bottom pants were very popular for a moment. It's neat to keep track of trends, but sometimes they are just trends. Changing how people track their age because of a recent trend is frankly stupid.

>>514916034
i explained my reasoning very thoroughly, dunno how else to spell it out without just repeating myself

>>514916528
>kill my baby
It's not killing anything if it's not a living human being yet. That's what the Miracle of Birth is all about.

The statistics suggest that half of all pregnancies are naturally terminated pregnancies (miscarriages) that end without birth. So there might be a few case out there where you can condemn women for misbehaving, but the vast majority are natural. On top of that, most birth control pills are abortifacients that cause the blastocyte to fail to attach to the uterine wall.

The fetus is not a human being yet so a moral choice is not being made. Why would a woman feel guilty for exercising her natural rights? It is not morally consistent to say the fetus must be protected at the expense of a woman's natural right to decide for herself if she will be a bear a child or not, but it's OK to throw the born child to the wolves. If human lives matter, the law should reflect that especially for those already alive.

It is not morally consistent to say fetal termination is equivalent to homicide, then carve out an exception for rape. If the justification is that a rape victim has suffered enough, or that she should not be forced to raise a baby she cannot love or does not want, then all abortions are just being graded on a spectrum of the current state of pregnant woman's misery.

It is the Natural Law right of woman to decide for herself if she will become a mother (self-determination). Only totalitarians states force women to abort or bear children, same with brutal religious states. If there's any ambiguity, then lets err on the side of the living, breathing woman and respect her rights to decide for herself if she will reproduce or not. The misogynistic rights-grabbing anti-choicers seem a little too eager to torture and punish women for imaginary sins to take them seriously.

>>514918043
no one is suggesting changing how birth dates work. they're saying that life begins before your birth. your age simply indicates how long you've been outside the womb, not how long you've been alive in total. ask any pro lifer and theyll reach the same conclusion. this isn't some "gotcha", there is no strong consensus on when life begins. in reality it's probably a 50/50 split.

>>514918199
>i explained my reasoning very thoroughly, dunno how else to spell it out without just repeating myself
You did your best. Seemed contradictory, but I can't expect more than your best.

>>514908133 (OP)
I mean from a scientific stand point it is human life.

>>514918337
>they're saying that life begins before your birth
And it's being said without scientific proof since the science isn't settled. So instead, we can resort to cultural norms which work differently than you just deciding for us.

>>514908133 (OP)
If it was killed by a gun instead of a doctor conservatives wouldn't care.

>>514908133 (OP)
what white incels on pol look like well into their 30s

>>514908133 (OP)
>baby killers want you to believe this is not Quercus Robur

>>514909097
>BIRTHday
>That means I wasn't alive before I exited my mother's womb.
Is this what it's like to have no internal monologue?

>>514918434
How many people do you see in the picture?

>>514918475
I'm not deciding anything for you, you're simply hysterical. What I'm saying is that there is not a settled cultural consensus on whether or not picrel is life or not. It's extremely likely that it's a 50/50 split. You're claiming consensus and authority where there isn't any. It's possible that abortion will be illegal by cultural consensus just like is was not even, what, 50 years ago?
>durr science
i don't trust anything that tells me pic related isn't somewhat sentient.
>>514918207
>half of all pregnancies are natural miscarriages
I'd like to see your source for that. I've seen statistics suggesting that 1/3rd of pregnancies end in surgical abortion.
>the fetus is not a human being yet
I don't agree, and your entire argument proceeds from this point. my submission to the contrary is this video of a "fetus" at i think 12 weeks, well within the range of a legal abortion. i cannot fathom the mind that would say this is not a living thing.

>>514918901
>Is this what it's like to have no internal monologue?
>>514909097
>How old are you?
>Oh.
>Now is that measured from birth or conception?
I am aware that the word birthday has the word "birth" in it. Rather disingenuous of you to make an argument based on the notion that I don't.
Do you answer a different age than one based on your birth?

>>514919062
>You're claiming consensus and authority where there isn't any.
Then we can result to cultural norms. Again, how old are you?

>>514919211
There isn't a cultural norm that indicates that life begins when you pop out of the womb. the counting of birthdays likely starts from that date as a matter of convenience (you won't know for certain the date of conception but will vividly remember the date of birth). that's my point. Half the country is rabidly anti abortion BECAUSE there is not a cultural norm around this. if anything, abortion being legal is by far an outlier in america since it's been legal and acceptable for a short period of time compared to how long it has been considered murder.

>>514908133 (OP)
I mean, it literally is.

>>514919148
Ok. So, all we have to do to outlaw abortion completely is change the way we calculate our age. I'm on board with this. Let's get it done.

>>514908133 (OP)
>white boy peckers
loooool

>>514908133 (OP)
Kike, you are not human. demon cunt.

>>514919386
>the counting of birthdays likely starts from that date as a matter of convenience
Neato.
>Half the country is rabidly anti abortion BECAUSE there is not a cultural norm around this.
Getting half the population excited about something isn't exactly the boast you might think. Just look at pop culture.
>abortion being legal is by far an outlier in america since it's been legal and acceptable for a short period of time compared to how long it has been considered murder.
And in all that time, nobody thought to normalize age based on conception. How compelling.

>>514919527
>Ok. So, all we have to do to outlaw abortion completely is change the way we calculate our age. I'm on board with this. Let's get it done.
Have fun with that.

>>514919862
All we would have to do is pass legislation that legally recognizes your conception instead of your birth. Should be pretty easy.

>>514908133 (OP)
That's clearly clay, you can see fingerprints in the skin.

>>514919862
>Getting half the population excited about something isn't exactly the boast you might think. Just look at pop culture.
So is a cultural norm important or not? Pop culture is culture specifically because so many people partake in it. A pro or anti abortion sentiment as an aspect of culture is dependent on participation. Why do you denigrate pop culture when your entire argument is that we secretly regard unborn babies as being non sentient since we count our years on earth from the day we leave the womb? you undermine yourself because, again, you're hysterical and reaching.
>And in all that time, nobody thought to normalize age based on conception. How compelling.
so they were actually in favor of abortion but didn't know it because we measure our years post-womb?
>Neato
So you're just dodging the point. There's plenty of other reasons why we count from our birthdate. Maybe it's a philosophical disposition. Maybe convenience. But it makes no sense to say "Ah this cultural norm proves we don't think of them as living beings" and then reject other cultural norms that prove you wrong as irrelevant. Obviously we regard and regarded natal babies as living human beings because of what an uphill fight abortion legalization was. I don't see how you can argue this. normally people in your camp argue that they aren't alive, not that society secretly agreed with you all along.

Basically, you're retarded. or just crafting bait.

>>514920108
>All we would have to do is pass legislation that legally recognizes your conception instead of your birth. Should be pretty easy.
Neato. Maybe less talking and more actually doing just that?

>>514920301
I see that "neato" is the word you use when you have nothing to say but want to maintain a snarky demeanor. based on that id say you're actually genuine in your belief. Rest assured, I vote for any limitation on abortions that I can and genuinely believe that you have killed a human being by having one.

>>514920301
>Neato
Only trannies talk like this.

Well of course not. It is a clay model. See the finger print above the eye?

>>514908133 (OP)
>is
wrong retarded, and is not about christkikery you fucking brainlet retarded.
the moment of inception, when the sperm and the egg fuse there's literally a "light" flash event, it was proven already.
>https://youtu.be/b9tmOyrIlYM
What you posted is a dead person, it's a person after the egg and the sperm fuse, sorry to break to you.

>>514920281
>So is a cultural norm important or not?
Are we talking about long standing norms like 360 degrees in a circle or short term fads like Elvis being the king of rock? Because the new age belief that conception is a better marker for personhood than birth isn't quite as old nor as accepted as the alternative. Now or historically.

>>514920422
>Rest assured, I vote for any limitation on abortions that I can and genuinely believe that you have killed a human being by having one.
That's your right. If you are registered to vote, you should be allowed to vote.

>>514920478
>Only trannies talk like this.
How informative. I am flattered that you see yourself in me but I'm afraid I am not trans. Hope you won't avoid me because I'm not trans like you.

>>514920967
>Because the new age belief that conception is a better marker for personhood than birth isn't quite as old nor as accepted as the alternative. Now or historically.
So if we believed that personhood began explicitly at birth, then why were we simultaneously convinced that abortion was murder?

>>514921229
>So if we believed that personhood began explicitly at birth, then why were we simultaneously convinced that abortion was murder?
I'm not. I can't speak for your conflicting beliefs. They aren't mine.

>>514908133 (OP)
That hand does look a little jewish

>>514919062
>I'd like to see your source for that.
https://www.sciencealert.com/meta-analysis-finds-majority-of-human-pregnancies-end-in-miscarriage-biorxiv

>you're simply hysterical
The sensible arguments belong to the pro-choice crowd
All of the emotional pleas and graphic images are the fallacies of the anti-choice crowd

>>514921585
We aren't talking about individuals. Your argument rests on the idea that the concept of birthdates being measured from birth, implies the idea that people don't consider natal children to be a sentient life. You're saying that this establishes a "cultural norm" that abortion is justified. Yet we've been using birthdates the entirety of the existence of the USA, during 4/5ths of which abortion was considered an abhorrent form of murder. I'm asking you to reconcile this failure in your argument. If half the country now, and the majority of the country for the entire prior existence of the country all think that abortion is murder, then that means you don't have claim to a cultural consensus by way of the example of birth dates.

ill ask you again, if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates?

>>514914524
cute!

>>514921760
Okay, I'll take that source on it's face and agree that 50% of births end in spontaneous miscarriages. That doesn't change that surgical abortions are murder. Your complicity is removed if it happens without your explicit intention and consent.
>graphic images
ah, so when you tear it apart with forceps it's a "termination", but when you see who it is you're killing then it's a "graphic image".

>>514921828
>how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates?
Was it ever illegal in every state? I can't seem to find a date when it was.

>>514922074
So there wouldn't be a cultural consensus against abortion if a minority was outspoken in favor of it?

>>514908133 (OP)
Bro's already bigger than OP

>>514921229
>The aborted fetus is {{{ MURDERED!!! }}} unless the woman is raped then the aborted fetus {{{ NOT SO MUCH MURDERED!!! }}}
As a rule, for the last few millennia, separated by thousands of miles of geography, it has been pretty much the same:

Philosophy - We don't count chickens until they're hatched.

Language - A pregnant woman hasn't had her baby yet. Everywhere she goes it's just her, not two people.

Biology - Biologists will tell you that when a living sperm fertilizes a living egg is just a continuation of living processes. The real change comes at the miracle of birth.

Legal - How old are you? Counting years and days back to what moment? Fertilizer Day? Of course not. It's your birthday. The day you were born is the day we celebrate. It's the day your life started, the moment you became a living being.

History - The ancient Sumerians, Egyptians, Hebrews, Greek, Romans, Persians, etc all had abortion-inducing techniques.

Religion - Not once in the holy books of the Abrahamic religions does is specifically proscribe abortion. In fact, the gods of the OT say some fetuses are wicked in the womb, indicating they should be aborted.

Culture - Fetal termination has had a continuous presence in all cultures on Earth for 8000 years of recorded history.

Ethics - the ethics of the state controlling/forcing women to give birth or abort. Hitler outlawed abortion. Stalin outlawed abortion. Mao outlawed abortion but China forced women to have abortions. It's always immoral for the state to take this decision away from women no matter how much it delights the misogynists and psychopaths.

Rights - A woman has the natural and inalienable right to decide for herself if she will become a mother or not. Childbirth is exclusively a woman's natural right. It's ethically wrong for any government to fail to respect those rights, especially natural rights from anyone without exceptionally good cause. Your misinformed opinion is the worst possible reason.

>>514922017
>so when you tear it apart with forceps it's a "termination"
Pretty obvious that is NOT what this intact thing is:
>>514919062

>>514922138
>So there wouldn't be a cultural consensus against abortion if a minority was outspoken in favor of it?
I was going to compare the historic abortion bans that varied by state to a more recent civil rights violation, anti gun laws. Just because CA and NY have anti gun laws, it doesn't make our culture anti gun. Gun owners are also called murderers by equally impassioned and devoid of reasoning individuals.
In both cases, busybodies are focused on controlling what others can do.
Sure, there are polls suggesting that everyone today supports 2A infringement, but as a culture we are historically not anti gun.
This is in parallel to abortion rights. Because anti abortionists tend to be very anti abortion... until they want one.

>>514908133 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp4

>>514922406
>>The aborted fetus is {{{ MURDERED!!! }}} unless the woman is raped then the aborted fetus {{{ NOT SO MUCH MURDERED!!! }}}
No, I don't think raped women should be allowed to have abortions.
>Legal - How old are you? Counting years and days back to what moment? Fertilizer Day? Of course not. It's your birthday. The day you were born is the day we celebrate. It's the day your life started, the moment you became a living being.
No, because in the USA at least abortion was illegal until recently and the cultural norm was to consider natal humans as unborn human life. You are "born" when you exit the womb. Otherwise abortion wouldn't have had the uphill battle that it has had. This is a truly bizarre argument since you've already accomplished it's legality. You could just say "it's not alive. period" but you insist on trying to create some kind of system of people who agreed with you in perpetuity, as if the senators and surgeons who already allow it for you aren't enough.
>>514922510
What? That's a 12 week old human, and children in that age range are aborted en masse daily. you aren't making any sense.
>>514922562
Right, our cultural norm around guns would be considered pro gun in scenarios where we largely approve of guns. Just like the cultural norm of regarding unborn children as living beings would be established by the majority believing it. Which they did while ALSO following the concept of birth dates. You have not addressed this question yet so I'll copy-paste it:
if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates?

>>514922562
Guns - if you don't want one, don't get one
Abortions - if you don't want one, don't get one
Seems pretty similar to me.

>Because anti abortionists tend to be very anti abortion... until they want one.
Hypocrites, they are.

>>514922851
>if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates?
>>514921585
>I'm not. I can't speak for your conflicting beliefs. They aren't mine.
Anti abortion laws don't have to make any more sense than anti gun laws. Not a hard concept.

>>514922851
>That's a 12 week old human
How many humans are in pic rel?

>>514922996
>Anti abortion laws don't have to make any more sense than anti gun laws. Not a hard concept.
but you're saying that the use of birth dates implies a cultural norm that supports abortion. we're not talking about whether or not it makes sense. I'm pointing out that the cultural norm in the USA has been to regard abortion is murder while also using birthdates, which undermines your assertion that the use of birthdates constitutes a pro-abortion cultural norm. you are deflecting.
>>514923040
i don't know what that is, but if it's a maturing human life i see on the persons back, then that's two people.

>>514908133 (OP)
The christians are right with this one, it looks like a human to me.

>>514923184
>I'm pointing out that the cultural norm in the USA has been to regard abortion is murder while also using birthdates, which undermines your assertion that the use of birthdates constitutes a pro-abortion cultural norm. you are deflecting.
Or those anti abortionists lacked the conviction to make a change in how ages were determined.

as a pro choice leftist I have to admit

I think that life has more value than the life of a nazi.

>>514923434
>Or those anti abortionists lacked the conviction to make a change in how ages were determined.
That has nothing to do with whether or not something was a cultural norm. to suggest that the use of birth dates constituted a cultural norm of pro-abortion sentiment, you'd have to argue that people were essentially secretly in favor of abortion and coded that belief into how we measure birth dates. that's fine if that's what you believe, but it's also obviously absurd when a much more likely answer, since we're both just conjecturing at that point, is to say that it's much simpler to measure from the date of birth since dates of conception are slippery and you'd want a firm, single day to celebrate and not a rough estimate of a one month period.

to sum up your argument
>birth dates imply that we regard natal humans as non-sentient inhuman life because we carry the belief that life starts after birth
>despite people considering the destruction of unborn humans murder
>actually, they believed that it wasn't murder, but continued suppressing their belief that abortion was fine and that unborn humans don't constitute a human life because they didn't have the courage to create an extremely inefficient system of calculating birth dates where you essentially guess the date of conception and use that in order to be ~9 months more accurate
this is the most schizo argument i have ever seen here and i talk to flat earthers.

unless you're simply pointing out that in order to be more consistent the anti-abortion majority should have done this just to be more consistent, but that still has nothing to do with establishing what the cultural norm was. shit, just go ask a bunch of pro-lifers why they use birth dates and you'll rapidly realize that the answer is basically just convenience.

>>514923973
>despite SOME people considering the destruction of unborn humans murder
Again, not all states had these laws.
But those who do consider abortion murder, want to make decisions for everyone.
Again, like gun laws.
You should have seen the lines around gun stores when all those anti gunners wanted a gun during the pandemic. It was sad what they did to themselves and what they want to do to others.

In addition to changing how we calculate age, have you considered adopting every child in foster care forever? Asking for a friend.

>>514913707
heh got em

>>514924331
>Again, not all states had these laws.
so, is anti abortion not a cultural norm if a minority are in favor of abortion?

>>514924444
>so, is anti abortion not a cultural norm if a minority are in favor of abortion?
Your pressure to bring up majority rule reminds me of a tasteless joke.
9 out of 10 people involved in gang rape actually enjoy the experience.

>>514924650
>>514924650
But birth dates imply that human life doesn't begin until after birth because, according to you, that's what most people believe? Otherwise, what is the basis for your "cultural norm"?

>>514908579
You live in Russia, your government treats you as livestock unless you’re Putin’s inner circle lmao.

>>514924755
>But birth dates imply that human life doesn't begin until after birth because, according to you, that's what most people believe? Otherwise, what is the basis for your "cultural norm"?
When asking age, does it make sense to call a fetus a negative one month old? After three trimesters, the clock is reset. That's a cultural norm. Not sure why you are arguing against this other than you're bored. Really weird hill to die on. But you're anti choice, you don't have to make sense.

>>514914364
Following this same logic then killing off the elderly at the earliest signs of dementia should be legal because they’re “not human” anymore.

>>514925037
>Following this same logic then killing off the elderly at the earliest signs of dementia should be legal because they’re “not human” anymore.
Maybe you can share the imaginary conversation you imagined in your head before posting the tail end of it.

>>514908133 (OP)
Why do I feel like Sarah Silverman would swallow that

>>514924945
>>514924945
>When asking age, does it make sense to call a fetus a negative one month old?
no, but that isn't what is happening. a birthday specifies when you were BORN. not when you started living. pro-lifers believe that you are alive in utero and that your age is simply measured from when you left the womb. if you were to strictly ask how long someone has been "alive" for, and they were a pro-life, they'd say they had been alive their age+9 months. but again, for convenience, since age refers to birth, not your entire lifespan, we just round off that 9 months for the sake of having a simple date to follow.

the idea that you are not "alive" before you are born is not a cultural norm. half of people in our country don't believe it, the majority of our institutions called abortion murder up until very recently. you have not answered how you reconcile that. you are positing an idea that half of people in our country don't believe and positing it as a norm. what constitutes a cultural norm? why can you not answer such simple questions?

>>514908133 (OP)
>Christcuck
You can accept Christ or spend an eternity separated from Him (Hell) Your choice bro.

>>514908133 (OP)
Libtards think this is a chicken

>>514925082
>36 Posts by this ID
See how the abortionist squirms when asked to resolve their morals.

>>514925240
>the idea that you are not "alive" before you are born is not a cultural norm
Correction. Not a person. The cells are alive. Well, until they aren't.

>>514908133 (OP)
>OP

>>514925037
IT really would be a kindness

>>514925301
>See how the abortionist squirms when asked to resolve their morals.
Do a better job at making sense and/ or having a point and the conversation would be way more brief.

>>514908133 (OP)
Is it a jew?

>>514925326
I disagree, as does half the country today and more in the past. you still are dodging questions. ill ask again:
if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this? what is your criteria for a cultural norm?

>>514925405
>I disagree, as does half the country today and more in the past. you still are dodging questions. ill ask again:
You are better equipped to answer why anti choicers don't make sense. Why are you asking me? I can't make you think.

>>514925405
>how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this
Does it?

>>514925581
>Does it?
You'd think that with those numbers, they could change how age is calculated. Smaller groups have made bigger changes.

>>514908133 (OP)
idk but is it morally correct to force women to carry out pregnancies to term?

>>514908292
Playdoh. Look at the fingerprints on it.

>>514925502
I can tell you why: it makes perfect sense but you keep side stepping the question. pro lifers believe your age refers to your date of birth, but birth doesn't include the preliminary ~9 months where you were alive. birth dates are measured from when you leave the womb, not when life begins. ill ask again, given that this position is clearly internally consistent so that people watching see how you can only sidestep:
if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this? what is your criteria for a cultural norm? remember, you insisted that this was a cultural norm. whether or not you think it makes sense doesn't matter. non nonsensical things can still be a cultural norm, obviously.
>>514925703
no one has a desire to change it because their camp doesn't believe that there's any contridiction. life begins before birth and your age is measured from your birth, not beginning of life. it's very simple, regardless of whether you believe it.

>>514925806
>life begins before birth
When do those living cells become a person and why does a persons age only reflect time after birth?

>>514909204
>>514909425
Korea has you born at one year old for precisely this reason.
They also have everyone age one year at the beginning of the year because fuck keeping track of birthdays.

>>514908133 (OP)
in Islam this "thing" is a human, underdeveloped but is a human. and if aborted for whatever reason should be given a proper funeral and a proper burial.
>it doesn't look like a human
it formed inside a human's womb from human sperm and egg. it is a human.

>>514925902
>>514925902
you are still sidestepping, and i answered this
>why does a persons age only reflect time after birth?
several times over. your birth constitutes a convenient, momentous date that is clearly visible and easy to remember, often happening in the presence of witnesses. it's easy to fix a particular date to. in other words, convenience. i don't know why you're trying to chase the idea that rabid pro-lifers secretely think that fetal humans aren't alive. it's silly. please answer this question:
if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this? what is your criteria for a cultural norm? remember, you insisted that this was a cultural norm. whether or not you think it makes sense doesn't matter. non nonsensical things can still be a cultural norm, obviously.

>>514925902
If you kill a pregnant woman, you have committed a double homicide. The law even recognizes life in the womb.

>>514923184
>maturing human life
It's one human being and one fetus. You can see they are distinctly different.

>>514926696
if that sac on her skin has something like this gif
>>514919062
inside of it, then yes I consider it a human life. it's really fucked up, but still two people. i suppose you don't consider the baby in that gif to be a person?

>>514925902
still waiting on you to answer the question, anon.

>>514926063
>lots of words that just say "because it's easier"
It's also easier to just say personhood starts at the same time.
>more words asking why anti choicers don't make sense
Maybe you should answer why you don't make sense. Quit asking me why you don't make sense.

>>514908133 (OP)
Whatever is holding that fetus is not human.

>>514914322
>unborn child
>unborn teenager
>unborn senior citizen
They're all the same euphemism for something that is not a child, teenager nor senior citizen. this is the emotional fallacy that anti-choice rights-grabbers rely upon to blur lines.

>>514908292
It's a clump of cells obviously! I'm a clump of cells too. So is my cat.

>>514926988
>>514926988
>It's also easier to just say personhood starts at the same time.
as what? conception or birth? pro lifers believe that personhood begins before birth. your birthdate is not the beginning of personhood according the cultural norm of anti-abortion folks. it's perfectly consistent.
>lots of words that just say "because it's easier"
i summarized it as "convenience" multiple times but you keep attempting to side step and obfuscate the point so i made it more elaborate.
>Maybe you should answer why you don't make sense. Quit asking me why you don't make sense.
which part are you confused about, anon? ill help. then after maybe you can answer this question:
if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this? what is your criteria for a cultural norm? remember, you insisted that this was a cultural norm. whether or not you think it makes sense doesn't matter. nonsensical things can still be a cultural norm, obviously.
>>514927014
no, an unborn baby is exactly that: a human baby that has not been born yet. do you really believe that this
>>514919062
isn't sentient?

>>514927185
>>514926988
The law recognizes an unborn child before birth. The law also allows women to kill their children via abortion without prosecution. Debating on whether or not the fetus is human is retarded. It’s personhood is recognized scientifically and legally.
18 U.S. Code § 1841 - Protection of unborn children
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841

>>514927185
>as what? conception or birth?
When someone asks your age, do you go off conception or birth? Has your answer changed so that it's no longer going off your birth? Wow. So still based off birth then.
And you do it for a super wordy explanation that can be simplified to "because it's easier".

And that convenience is the same reason to consider personhood at the same time. Birth. Not conception.

>which part are you confused about, anon? ill help.
Here is something you can answer, something that doesn't make sense about your beliefs:
>if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this?
Go ahead and explain this. Your question is about you not making sense but you keep throwing it at me like I'm supposed to know why you guys don't think.

too bad ur parents didn't abort you and went through all the trouble of raising a fucking fool

>>514927622
>When someone asks your age, do you go off conception or birth?
I go off birth. but i was alive and had personhood before my birth. birth is simply the day that you exited the womb.
>Here is something you can answer, something that doesn't make sense about your beliefs:
sure, my answer is that there is not a definitive cultural norm that regards sentience as only happening after birth. birth is simply the day you were born, but your sentience and personhood began before that. we measure age from our date of birth for convenience with the understanding that your life began before that, as evidenced by the fact that abortion was considered to be murdering a human life.

you however, insisted that i hold a hypocritical position that i use my birthdate to refer to my age and that there's a cultural norm that dictates that life, sentience, personhood, begins at birth, despite half the current population of the country, and the vast majority of the country prior, believing that this is false and that life begins prior to birth.

i have been perfectly consistent, you haven't clarified you position and keep insisting that i somehow must believe that personhood begins at birth because i use the concept of a birth date. please answer this question:
>if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this?

>>514927622
You’re citing a government document, a birth certificate, and actively ignoring the government code that recognizes a child in the womb as a person you cannot kill without consequence, unless you’re the mother getting an abortion. Obviously the law recognizes that a random person cannot punch, stab, etc. a pregnant woman without consequences for killing or maiming the unborn child.
18 U.S. Code § 1841 - Protection of unborn children
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841

>>514927622
>>514927956
HOW ARE YOU BOTH IGNORING REASON AND SOURCES. MY FUCKING GOD.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841 (1)

>>514928066
>>514927622
>>514927956
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841 (2)

>>514908133 (OP)
It's plastic

>>514928088
>>514927622
>>514927956
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841 (3)

>>514928066
>HOW ARE YOU BOTH IGNORING REASON AND SOURCES. MY FUCKING GOD.
Because it keeps the post on the front page.

>>514928124
>>514927622
>>514927956
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841 (4)

>>514928152
>>514927622
>>514927956
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841 (5)

It's nice knowing that my enemies are all deserving of Hell.

>>514908133 (OP)
I wanna stomp it like a critter from Smiling Friends

>>514928134
I don’t understand why. /pol/ has been dead for years

>>514927956
>I go off birth
So do I. But I don't have a line of bullshit qualifiers to explain why. Don't need them.
>you however, insisted that i hold a hypocritical position that i use my birthdate to refer to my age and that there's a cultural norm that dictates that life, sentience, personhood, begins at birth, despite half the current population of the country, and the vast majority of the country prior, believing that this is false and that life begins prior to birth.
How old were you when you became a person, negative 9 months old? Wow, that sounds suspiciously like bullshit.

>>514928152
Aren't you the idiot that claimed
>It’s personhood is recognized scientifically
Because that established you as an idiot.

>>514928236
Because we're still here.

>>514928334
Awww now I feel special and loved

>>514928066
i acknowledge and agree with your sources, but it's not in the scope of what im arguing.
>How old were you when you became a person, negative 9 months old? Wow, that sounds suspiciously like bullshit.
no, i simply wasn't born yet. by the definition of birth as leaving the womb, i was zero years old, but still very much alive. we simply institutionally don't count the first ~9 months. you can't be a negative amount of time old. you know that numbers are just an abstraction of real things, right? negatives represent a function in mathematics, there's no actual "negative" entity
>bullshit qualifiers
you may find them bullshit, but a minimum of 41% of americans have views along these lines, and the majority of the country until recently held these views. you're just hung up on an internal numbers game that no one but you cares about. no one considers that they were an impossible mathematical abstraction old, they simply go "Oh, yeah you just don't start counting until birth for various convenience reasons but yeah we were alive before birth".

it's not hard anon. could you answer this question, finally?
>if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? how is it that half of the country vehemently opposes this?

>>514928642
meant to link
>>514928257

>>514908800
40 days after the birth its gets soul. A spark of soul. Many lose it during their life and become just mortal flesh .

>>514924843
and you are goy, difference?

>>514908133 (OP)
Abortion is a nigger genocide.
Stop abortion now!

>>514908133 (OP)
Pro-abortionists hate niggers right? since most of the felon fetus aborted are niggers right?

>>514928257
The most recent source I could find:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5499222/
So you are trying to imply scientists can just scoop a human fetus out of a woman and do whatever without consequences?

>>514928564
If only they were even half as benevolent

The earliest a fetus can survive outside of the mother's body is about 21 weeks. Why can't we make that the point it becomes a "person"? If it can potentially survive on its own it's a living human. That's a good midway point between the moment of conception and birth. Make week 20/21 the point where abortion is illegal.

>>514928723
>40 days after the birth its gets soul
How about you go get a bitch and have kids before you say dumbass shit like that. Babies have souls even in the womb, they know your voice and presence even before they see you

>>514928642
>but still very much alive.
Yes, cells are alive. I was never claiming the cells were dead until birth. The point of asking your age is to determine when you become a person. Not if the cells were living.
>we simply institutionally don't count the first ~9 months
In addition to saying institutionally, you could say culturally.
>minimum of 41% of americans
Use those numbers to make ages make sense by your weird ass metric. If your numbers have the conviction. Which they don't.

>>514928901
>The most recent source I could find:
>Two competing hypotheses that constitute a philosophical dilemma in defining personhood are presented
Your link doesn't even have consensus with itself. Is it supposed to establish a consensus when it lacks a consensus?

>>514929019
You talk like a fat communist who has never read a book and only gets his talking points from the television

>>514929019
Yeah, as I clarified several times earlier, we also consider that we gain sentience, personhood etc before birth. like this .gif:
>>514919062
I definitely believe this is a sentient human with personhood, and that birth is only an acknowledgement that we are outside the womb, not that we JUST NOW gained sentience and personhood. I am using alive in the sense that you or I are alive.
>In addition to saying institutionally, you could say culturally.
Right, there's a "cultural norm" among many people that you achieve personhood, sentience etc before birth. That has been my whole argument the entire time.
>Use those numbers to make ages make sense by your weird ass metric. If your numbers have the conviction. Which they don't.
I've already said, age just measures the number of years you've been out of the womb according to pro-lifers and, as the other anon has pointed out, even legal institutions today, as well as the vast majority of the country prior. There is a cultural norm that believes you are sentient and possess personhood before your birth, which is simply a measurement of when you exit the womb.

so can you finally answer how you can say that it's a cultural norm that people believe you aren't sentient prior to birth when the majority of the country in the past and at least 41% of the country now don't actually believe that?

>>514929019
>In addition to saying institutionally, you could say culturally.
Ohhhhh, I see what you're saying. No, we just discount the numbers, not the sentience of the child. you're trying to imply that when i say that "we don't institutionally count the first 9 months" that im also talking about personhood instead of just the number. the counting simply starts after we leave the womb, the acknowledgement of sentience begins prior to birth. i don't know why this is so complicated to you. im not asking you to believe it, just to acknowledge that it's a differing viewpoint

>>514929210
>clump of cells
You’re an idiot:
Prenatal development
The sperm and the egg combine to form a zygote. In human gestation, the zygote undergoes development into an embryo and fetus. Parturition usually occurs at a full-length term of about thirty-eight weeks. The following subsections outline human prenatal development and serve as necessary background for the personhood arguments in the Thesis section.
You didn’t read it which is fine. But you’re speaking at people instead of having a discussion. You’re begging for citations and sources without citing your own. Where in science, law, ethics, or culture do people refer to a zygote, unborn child, fetus, or baby as a “clump of cells?” Or is that just a communist thing?

>>514909097
49 days after conception when the brain and heart activate and the soul enters the body

>>514929210
>cells
Can’t even be fucked to use any scientific terms for human gestation. You’re not human either since you’re just an NPC repeating what other people say without doing a simple google search.

>>514929552
>You didn’t read it which is fine.
>Joseph Fletcher writes that for “the purposes of biomedical ethics,” the “profile of man” or personhood includes criteria such as self-awareness, self-control, the capability to relate to others, and curiosity, among a total of fifteen criteria
Was this disproven? It was mentioned.
It seems like it was dismissed. What a shitty paper.

>>514908133 (OP)
if not human, why human shaped?

>>514929477
>im not asking you to believe it, just to acknowledge that it's a differing viewpoint
I'm asking for you to not force your beliefs onto others. They are just beliefs. And they are not shared.

Guys I’m so confused. Since when is that not dessert.

>>514929915
>>514929915
I'm not forcing my beliefs. you asserted that the belief that birth dates constitute a cultural norm that people believe that prebirth life is not sentient, and I have shown that this is not a consensus and asked you to clarify exactly how this makes a cultural norm. I ask this because you framed it as hypocritical that I use a birth date to measure my age as if it were impossible that i could believe that age is counted from birth but that sentience begins before that. since then, you have dodged the issue and continue to do it now by making a ridiculous claim that im forcing anything. im not currently, right now we're talking anonymously where you have consistently made a fool of yourself. ill ask again:

Your argument rests on the idea that the concept of birthdates being measured from birth, implies the idea that people don't consider natal children to be a sentient life. You're saying that this establishes a "cultural norm" that abortion is justified. Yet we've been using birthdates the entirety of the existence of the USA, during 4/5ths of which abortion was considered an abhorrent form of murder. I'm asking you to reconcile this failure in your argument. If half the country now, and the majority of the country for the entire prior existence of the country all think that abortion is murder, then that means you don't have claim to a cultural consensus by way of the example of birth dates.

if birth dates imply that we don't, as a society, regard fetal humans as living, how were we institutionally and culturally against abortion, and widely believed that you gain personhood in utero until comparatively recently despite using birth dates? why did you try to insist that this position is somehow self contradictory? PLEASE clarify your initial argument instead of avoiding it.

your beliefs aren't shared either, but you're insisting that they're a cultural norm.

>>514930205
>I'm not forcing my beliefs
By making laws to force people to treat zygotes as people, anti choicers are forcing their beliefs.
>your beliefs aren't shared either, but you're insisting that they're a cultural norm.
My beliefs are different than believing personhood begins at birth. I believe personhood happens significantly after birth. But my convictions aren't strong enough to bother making a persons age reflect their... age. Age based on birth is a fine compromise until science settles on the matter. Earlier is inconvenient for obvious reasons and makes no sense. You guys should adjust how ages are recorded if you want your beliefs to be taken seriously. Otherwise, it's impractical and unproven instead of just unproven.

>>514930742
>By making laws to force people to treat zygotes as people, anti choicers are forcing their beliefs.
Tough titties on that front, I believe that you're institutionalizing the mass industrial slaughter of sentient children. there is no room for compromise here. that's not what the conversation is about, we disagree. refer to my previous gif. you will never get me to treat that as a clump of cells. personally, i think your worldview is Godless and deranged.
>My beliefs are different than believing personhood begins at birth. I believe personhood happens significantly after birth. But my convictions aren't strong enough to bother making a persons age reflect their... age. Age based on birth is a fine compromise until science settles on the matter. Earlier is inconvenient for obvious reasons and makes no sense. You guys should adjust how ages are recorded if you want your beliefs to be taken seriously. Otherwise, it's impractical and unproven instead of just unproven.
No, only you are hung up about being unable to understand why we simply count age from birth while still acknowledging sentience. it's not a complicated concept at all. you don't agree with it, you think it's unscientific or unproven, but again, i look at that gif and i don't need whatever you consider to be proof. anything that would say yanking that things head off is acceptable. and since there's quite a few people like me both now, in the past, and in the future, you might call it a "cultural norm" that we believe in sentience before birth and that anyone without autism understands that we use birth dates for convenience sake. which makes these posts:
>>514909097
>>514909425
the yammering of someone who refuses to acknowledge the belief systems of others. which is fine, but don't delude yourself that your beliefs are the only "cultural norm".

GENOCIDAL ABORTION INDUSTRY DELIBERATELY TARGETS BLACKS FOR EXTERMINATION

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNAArGDinxx/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbFKC3xySMw

SICK AND EVIL

The most evil, cowardly and selfish act anyone can commit is murder the weakest and most vulnerable human beings. This is why it is impossible to name a single thing in this world more evil and demonic than abortion. Abortion murders babies, damages mothers and creates a culture that views ALL human life as disposable

When we murder our weakest and most vulnerable, whether by abortion in the womb or euthanasia outside the womb, any and all respect for human life AS A WHOLE becomes non-existent

It's because our culture tolerates abortion that we tolerate mass murder, shootings, allowing needy people to die, abuse of the vulnerable and many other horrible things. Abortion has cemented Neo-Malthusian thinking and eugenics in our culture as every abortion is a eugenic abortion. You cannot have any respect for human life and persons at any stage of life if you support murdering the weakest and most desperate to survive

I do not believe our society and our world could fall much further once it solidifies murdering the most innocent and vulnerable of any group of people, be it the preborn or the sick and disabled, into its culture

When murdering those whom we have an obligation to protect and love becomes normalized then no amount of depravity is off limits

Over 66 MILLION preborn babies have been aborted in America alone since 1973 which is more dead Americans than in every war America has been involved in COMBINED. No war, famine or even genocide has killed that many in such a short amount of time

Those of us who can must stand up and speak for those who cannot speak for themselves

God will judge us for allowing this barbarism to happen.

TRUMP MUST BAN ABORTION NOW.

>>514931084
>there is no room for compromise here.
Then we go with my religion instead of yours. That's a hill worth dying on.
You fucks can't compromise. No part of your long monologues were in good faith. But you are doing the best you can. Sadly.

>>514931183
>Over 66 MILLION preborn babies have been aborted in America alone since 1973
So there is enough room in your house to take care of that many for at least 18 years, with no assistance from my taxes? Holy shit you have a huge house.

>>514931333
>Then we go with my religion instead of yours. That's a hill worth dying on.
right. one of at least two cultural norms, you might say.
>You fucks can't compromise. No part of your long monologues were in good faith. But you are doing the best you can. Sadly.
there is no compromise. you believe that it is acceptable to murder this
>>514919062
human being on a whim, and to decide for yourself what constitutes life. to put the parameters for life in the hands of your favored religion, as you said. what compromise? you can kill half of these children? maybe just until 4 months in utero?

i never said we could compromise, i was pointing out that your beliefs are not the total consensus. you claimed that, not me. i realize that im in a growing minority. but believe me, you will have to justify yourself, your beliefs, and your actions one day to God. you (and i, for that matter) will be held accountable for the deaths of these children. your sophistry, consensus, whatever will not work then. i would caution you to prepare yourself.

>>514908133 (OP)
Depends on the race

>>514931634
>right. one of at least two cultural norms, you might say.
If we need to re-enact why we have a first amendment, that's fine.

>>514928946
That was the Casey Standard which the Republicans sperged out and overturned in Dobbs.
>>514931084
>mass industrial slaughter of sentient children
>your worldview is Godless and deranged
The mass slaughter of children is very godly;
"O daughter of Babylon, you devastated one,
How blessed will be the one who repays you
With the recompense with which you have repaid us.

How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones
Against the rocks."

>>514931895
>>514931895
>If we need to re-enact why we have a first amendment, that's fine.
No? what? I've never tried to imply you don't have a right to blather endlessly. Just that your "cultural norm" argument was gibberish and that there are a plurality of views that you used tons of runarounds to avoid, or pretended were confusing. you never managed to clarify or really defend any of this, to the point where you yourself have left the argument in the dust for unrelated shit, like bringing up the first amendment.
>"O daughter of Babylon, you devastated one, >How blessed will be the one who repays you
>With the recompense with which you have repaid us.

>How blessed will be the one who seizes and >dashes your little ones
>Against the rocks."
in this case the poetry refers to a civilization. the little ones are the citizens of the civilization that God deemed evil. If you thought you were surprising me by pointing out the natural end of evil people in Christian theology is a violent death then you're barking up the wrong tree. we aren't God, and arbitrarily slaughtering children is wrong.

also there are points in the torah where God specifically orders the mass razing of literal specific regions that would have served your point better. you should try actually reading the Bible cover to cover.

>>514932313
meant to quote
>>514932075
for the second half of my post

>>514908895
It's literally a plastic figure you fucking retard

>>514932313
Oh so some kids can be murdered if Yahweh says it's ok! Well that clears things up, well the god of my religion says that abortion is cool so you can leave me alone now, thanks!

>>514908133 (OP)
Nice cock though

>>514932555
yep, certain civilizations were dogeared for total destruction back in the day. say, the kind of countries where you're allowed to murder children like this
>>514919062
without a second thought. this is why salvation ended up being put into the hands of the individual, so that when evil people push ideologies that support systematically slaughtering kids, we now have the luxury of being able to save ourselves if nothing else. if anything, our continued existence is a huge mercy that we don't deserve if this is what society ends up embracing.
>so you can leave me alone now
you starting quoting me first you gigantic woman. if you don't want to talk to me, simply stop replying. if you mean "stop voting and protecting the interests of innocent children so i can pretend that murdering children is okay" then no, im not just going to forfeit civil liberties because you disagree with me. it's hard being an adult and coexisting with people, huh?

>>514932873
So according to your god the proper punishment for a civilization murdering children is to... murder their children. Yeah sounds very logically coherent and moral and not totally insane not to mention completely counter-productive at all. In any case it's clear that you don't actually give a shit about the lives or welfare of real children beyond the license they give you to cast judgement upon and restrict the liberties of others.

>>514908671
In Latvia mother just puts the child on a sidewalk and walks away.

https://jauns.lv/raksts/zinas/669698-valsts-policija-turpina-meklet-kengaraga-uz-ielas-atrasta-zidaina-vecakus

The police are still appealing for residents who can provide additional information that would be useful in the investigation to come forward. Further comments are not possible at this time, the VP stressed.

It has already been reported that a newborn girl was found wrapped in a blanket on Festival Street early Tuesday morning around 6 a.m. During the investigation, it was determined that the child was left on the street by an unidentified woman on Tuesday around 3:40 a.m. Currently available information indicates that the child may be less than a day old.

Law enforcement officers also invite the child's parents to apply to the VP.

Video footage can also provide a significant contribution to the investigation. The police are calling on residents whose vehicles had video recorders turned on in the Ķengarags microdistrict on Tuesday morning from 2 to 4:30 to check the recordings and, if they show a woman with a newborn baby in her arms or a woman without a child, to submit video footage to the police. Video footage from Prūšu, Ikšķiles, Aviācijas, Festivāla, Latgales, Dubnas and Rasas streets, as well as the area around Riga Secondary School No. 72, is of particular importance.

Police are also appealing for information from the driver of an electric scooter who was traveling along Aviācija Street around 4 a.m. on Tuesday morning and briefly stopped at the intersection of Aviācija Street and Ikšķiles Street.

>>514933085
Nah, you can think what you want, but God just did things different in the old testament. I just trust that He knows more than I do. All I know is that the promise is in the interest of good and that I have the free will and sentience to pursue it within my limited abilities.
>it's clear that you don't actually give a shit about the lives or welfare of real children
You say that, yet want to disqualify children like this
>>514919062
From my perspective, you're the one who wants power. to be free from consequences of your own sexual behavior, to discard life according to your classifications, to follow whatever authority says what you want to hear. again, im not looking to convert or convince you, im perfectly aware we're at an impasse of beliefs. but saying that i want power is idiotic. i don't want anything to do with your life, but if you put a ballot in my hand and ask "can we stick a needle in that kids brain?" im gonna say no. sorry that basic civics and theology are still a surprise to you as an ostensible adult.

all your hysterical rants become just silly when i look at that gif. i just realize "yeah these people want to ignore reality and deny their own direct complicity." of course the idea of capital punishment from a real arbiter of justice scares you, you're a murderer.

>>514908133 (OP)
nigga that was literally you

>>514918207
You are killing the potential to live no? Doesn't that mean you killed life, because you stopped a life from living

>>514933397
All these copes to rationalize the fact that you worship the greatest abortionist and child murderer in the universe. Wild.

>>514911911
Not our culture, language, law, history, medicine or anything else you liar

Christ is King of kings and queens

Go back to your cave serial killer sicko

>>514933698
rationalization and belief in Christ are mutually exclusive. you cannot logic or prove your way to salvation. i don't make any pretension of rationalization. yes, there's a sense that God will and has overseen the death of children, but I trust Him implicitly, not random anons. it's possible that it's better for a society, children and all, to be snuffed out than to allow the society to flourish and spread it's toxic beliefs, child murder etc to the rest of the world and into the future. sorry that it disturbs you, but this is a widespread belief and you don't get to exist in a vacuum. we're stuck with each other for the time being.

>using pocket pussy material to make a fetus
jews did it

>>514908593
humans will be lucky to exist in 500 years
population growth alone will jeopardize our survival if some jewish billionaire trying to play god and using robot mosquitos to fuck up the food chain, possibly even gayI, though i doubt it. much more likely they pull a mr burns and do some dumb shit like try to blot out the sun.

>>514908133 (OP)
It is a human you stupid jew. Kill yourself. (and I hate all the abrahamic religions and all those that practice them). Again, kill yourself.

>>514908133 (OP)
It's genes are ours no matter the stage of development friend
All that break the matrix belong to God.

Atheists want that ground up and forced
into your veins so they can kneecap you with pride.

It takes responsibility to assess knowledge
And wisdom
Also people are busy chomping at the bit to peacock themselves over any desperate crumb
And they feed on that so they make no progress in understanding


Making real progress having the humility for truth is so important
When we are children it's to bebop around and experiencing
But if youre doing that into your adult years youre a problem
They use your inherent worth as a human being to cast a vote born of short sighted lust or fear capitulated without responsibility or faith

>>514908292
jokes on you, this annunaki
you briain too smol tudah Stan

>>514918207
>The fetus is not a human being yet
Prove it.

>>514908133 (OP)
And you want us to believe you are human

>>514908133 (OP)
Gore doesn't bother me, nigger doesn't bother me, faggot doesn't bother me, trans surgeries don't bother me, but this...... kids murdered for expediency....
This is one place I wish this site wouldn't go.

wanna do something useful?
>>514889227

>>514908133 (OP)
>picrel literally me

>>514925902
Biologically speaking, at the moment of conception, the union of sperm and egg produces a zygote with a complete and unique human genome. This genome is not the same as the mother’s or father’s but is an entirely new genetic blueprint, distinguishing this being as a distinct human individual. All stages (zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, child, and adult) are simply different points along a human life trajectory. Supporting abortion is to deny humanity based on stage of development (size, consciousness, viability, etc). Human dignity and rights should be grounded in what a being is, not in what abilities it has or what stage of development it is in.

>>514908133 (OP)
I'm not a christian and I believe that is a human being.