Thread 514994527

If Christianity did not cause Rome to fall, then why do the accounts of Roman pagan aristocrats directly blame the decline of Rome on its adoption of Christianity and the subsequent loss of its Roman-ness? The people that lived during the decline of the Roman empire would surely know better than any of us on why Rome had declined after all. Roman social circles and institutions were tied to the culture of the Roman people, which includes its intellectual and spiritual life, as well as all its philosophy, pagan rites/rituals, warrior ethos, and so on. The abandonment of this culture left Rome vulnerable to outsider invaders.

Christians are now experiencing the same thing that the Romans experienced, and the Roman people will have their revenge from beyond the grave. The Romans were good to the Christians, and in turn the pushy and preachy Christians acted like victims when they were powerless and then turned against their ancestral religion once powerful, destroying their own temples and banning Roman beliefs entirely. We can even see today how Christian thought and culture pacifies people who are being invaded by masses of foreigners.

>>514994527 (OP)
>Roman PAGAN aristocrats
I can't think of any reason why such people would dislike Christianity, can you?

>>514994783
Jews created Christianity to convert gentiles into judeophiles.

>muh faganism
You’re brown

Jesus was unmistakably a Jew by birth, law, practice, and identity: born to Jewish parents (Mary and Joseph) in Judea and raised in Galilee, he is recorded as legally descended from David of the tribe of Judah (genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3); he was circumcised on the eighth day and presented in the Temple with the prescribed offering (Luke 2:21–24; cf. Leviticus 12); he attended synagogue regularly and read Scripture publicly (Luke 4:16–21); he was addressed as “Rabbi” (John 1:38) and explicitly affirmed the Shema and the authority of Torah (“I have not come to abolish the Law,” Matthew 5:17; Mark 12:29); he kept Jewish festivals—Passover (Luke 2:41; Mark 14:12–16), Tabernacles/Booths (John 7:2, 10), and Dedication/Hanukkah (John 10:22); he wore tzitzit (ritual fringes) on his garment (Matthew 9:20; cf. Numbers 15:38); he observed Sabbath (while disputing certain interpretations; Mark 2:27); he spoke Hebrew/Aramaic phrases (“Talitha koum,” “Eli, Eli…,” Mark 5:41; Matthew 27:46); his given name Yeshua is the common Hebrew form of Joshua; his mission is framed as to “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 15:24); and even in death the placard over the cross read “King of the Jews” (John 19:19). All of this—lineage, rites, language, titles, worship, dress, festivals, and self-understanding—locates Jesus squarely within first-century Judaism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxZLZXspZiM

>>514994527 (OP)
They were saying the same thing during the fall of the republic about Greek faggotry.

DUDE LOOK AT ALL THESE BASED PAGANS, THEYRE GONNA DEFEAT THE JEWS

>>514995693
Most christians are brown

>>514995292
lets put this retarded viewpoint to rest shall we?

>>514994527 (OP)
>All Western countries are destroyed by Abrahamic religions
Prove me wrong.

>>514994527 (OP)
>accounts of Roman pagan aristocrats directly blame
>Let's listen to the people who didn't like Christianity, no conflict of interest there

You mean the people who were in charge of Roman society i.e. the aristocrats didn't want to take the blame on themselves as to why society collapsed so they blame something else as a scapegoat. What a shocker.

WATCH OUT JEWS
THESE PAGANS ARE SERIOUS PEOPLE

>>514995889
t.

Because they were coping. Why did Rome convert to Christianity to begin with? Because it’s traditional institutions failed, much like ours are today.

Paganism was already dead by the time Christianity came around. Romans had become disillusioned with their gods so they adopted the one true God.

>>514996186
Basically this. The Roman pantheon had largely morphed into Sol Invictus worship which itself naturally lends to worship of a single all powerful God. Christianity had more interesting lore than Sol Invictus as well which explains its exponential spread in the 4th century.

>>514995889
>>514996053
>>514995767
how many pagan organizations routinely donate millions to israel a year? none?

>>514995803
I wish you would give jew-worshiping a rest, yes.

>>514995889
>goth landwhale with type o negative tatt
would convert her
>>514996608
pagan organizations don't do anything bad or good because they're tiny, insignificant and utterly irrelevant

>>514996743
>they're tiny, insignificant and utterly irrelevant
that's what they wanted

>>514996743
you could have said the same about the entire nationalist movement 10-20 years ago. I refuse to cowtow to retards just because their way is the popular one. until christian churches stop giving their money to israel and/or helping spics cross the border, I will view fat wiccan goth girls in higher esteem than any of you templar larpers

>>514994527 (OP)
>accounts of Roman pagan aristocrats directly blame the decline of Rome on its adoption of Christianity

Give us sources, Anon.

>>514997156
my main issue with paganism isn't that it's unpopular, it's that it's incoherent as a category.
the term paganism is so broad and ill-defined that it collapses under its own weight, even if we narrow the scope to pre-Christian european paganism and exclude stuff like shintoism and hinduism.
you have the mystery cults of greece, the tribal animism of the celts, the roman state religion, the norse pantheon.
these systems weren't unified and they often contradicted eachother.
there was no shared scripture, no central doctrine, no consistent metaphysic.

it's wholly performative, an absolute larp.
the norse ones are the most fucked up. most of us are very likely to have had ancestors who got raped or sold into sex slavery to the moslems by the wotanists, then you go around and pretend you're honoring your ancestors by worshiping the dead gods of those who violated them, it's clownery.

>>514998184
>muh grandma was raped by a viking that means odinists are le bad
as my pic >>514997156 proves germanic paganism, hold on to your ass for this one, was found across the germanic world, and not just the norse one. whoa, crazy right? so to be a germanic pagan you dont have to larp as a viking, you can just bee yourself. we already named the days of the week after anglo-saxon gods, whys it that much a stretch to worship what my ancestors already did worship?
>incoherent
coming from a religion with over 58,000 denominations (and growing everytime a crack pipe is hit and a new bible interpretation is unlocked). is building the third temple part of the anti-christ's plan for global control, or is it part of the christian prophecy to bring about the new kingdom of jerseulum? is christ the same as the father, or are the father and the son seperate? does the holy spirit and the son proceedeth from the father, or do the father, the holy spirit and the son proceedeth from one another? is the wine and the crackers just a metaphorical thing or does the priest actually use christian magic to turn them into jesus skin and jesus blood? entire wars have been waged over these questions, entire thousands of lives snuffed out

>>514997403
It was debated within Rome, especially after the sack of Rome by Alaric around 412. Roman senators blamed the abandonment of the old Gods, while Christian bishops whined about how heaven (non-existent abstraction) was more important anyways. They could not longer have the same open discussion after the sack by the vandals ~40 years later, because paganism had been totally banned in public life.

Christianity is literally a thousands year old brain disease that makes you passively accept death and abandon your race/heritage.

>>514998184
Pagan rituals persisted throughout several centuries within the Roman empire, which would suggests that there is a standard doctrine of pagan rites and rituals. What we know about Roman paganism is incomplete because Christians specifically targeted and destroyed Roman pagan temples and artifacts. Academic institutions that developed pagan belief systems were eventually shut down.

>>514995889
>>514995767
>>514996053
They are obviously LARPers. Paganism as a legitimate belief system was destroyed by psychotic preachy Christians, no different than Muslims destroying the statues of Buddha.

Does anyone even know what preceded the Christian movement? Do you know why Dionysus, for example, so closely resembles Jesus or why the Vatican's subterranean frescoes features images of Dionysus-Jesus?

>>514998184
How odd, usually the complaint is that there isn't enough of paganism to revive it, but here we have the issue that there's too much to be cohesive!

Except of course polytheistic systems don't need to be that cohesive since they make room for many gods in the first place - and this is barely a concern in the modern day when nobody really believes in religion to start with. Devout Christians skip the faith healing and go straight to the hospital to be looked at by materialists, faith be damned. Even with the malpractice rates, still better efficacy than going to the witch doctor or priest.

I've never seen a Christian on /pol/ defend Christianity as anything but a thin veil for White Nationalism, so if you're just going to pretend to be Christian to pretend we're organizing around something other than race, why not pretend to be a European heathen since that's a lot more convenient? You're just pretending either way, right?

This whole RETVRN to Christianity the right's been on for the past few years has been schizophrenic as fuck in its reasoning and has every indication of a desperate pretending that we're not all racists now.

>>514994527 (OP)
The pre-Christian roman ethos of strength and honor and the whole heroic solar spirituality mogs anything that came after it. Western civilization has been coping ever since. What we've lost can hardly even be put into words. Thanks, christcucks/jews!

Paganism is mostly comprised of ex-atheists, witches; and other weird leftoids. Once the conservative men realize they’ve been duped by Christianity, things will start to change.

“paganism” isn’t really a thing. It just means whatever gods the locals were worshipping before the Christians arrived. It varies by region. There would be no way to go back to something unified because that never existed

>>514994527 (OP)
>Romans good to the Christians
Um they tried to murder them all at first?

St. Augustine in City of God absolutely mogs pagans in 330 a.d., his primary thesis being paganism was a stupid frivolous mode of religion that meant absolutely nothing. Cope and seethe

>>515000162
>The artistic depiction in a Hollywood movie of a character who loves skydaddy A totally mogs those people that like skydaddy B!

So you're retarded.

>>515000162
roman persecution of christians didnt begin until the great fire of rome which was blamed on christians (and considering that the chicago fires were almost certainly started by jews, and that early christians were largely jews, this was probably true)

augustine argues for the execution of heretics and pagans while advocating for the protection of the jews as a 'witness generation', whatever that means. ive read city of god and its a great work of literature and all but whenever I remember that augustine was a jew puppet i immediately forget everything he said and go study metamorpheses some more

>>514995803
>the jewish apostles all chose to be tortured
Never happened like a lot of shit in your torah and bible.

>>514994527 (OP)
Rome converted to Christianity so late that it was already too late

This would be like if America converted to Islam and collapsed next year, the problems are already obvious

>>514994527 (OP)
>then why do the accounts of Roman pagan aristocrats directly blame the decline of Rome on its adoption of Christianity and the subsequent loss of its Roman-ness?
First, prove that they did. Second, it’s obvious as anything that throughout Roman history contemporary opinion was often following the trends of the time. You would think you’d look at history and learn from it. It’s just like our time. The actual decline of Rome was very gradual. Blaming it on Christians is not only nonsensical but it’s stupid.

>>514995803
1900 years ago Europe was ruled by Pagan Germanics and Pagan Romans, specifically Hadrian. Stop posting this it makes you look retarded

>>515000604
Zosimus: A pagan historian who wrote a New History around 500 CE, Zosimus is the most famous example of a Roman directly blaming Christianity for the empire's decline. He wrote that the abandonment of the old gods and the embrace of the new religion, particularly by Emperor Constantine, caused the empire to lose divine favor. Zosimus was particularly critical of Christian emperors, such as Constantine, for making impious choices and failing to properly manage the empire, which led to a series of calamities.

>>514998783
>uhh not all germanic pagans were vikings
exactly. that's part of the problem.
the term "germanic paganism" is nebulous and incoherent. it's a retroactively applied umbrella for dozens of fragmented tribal belief systems that varied wildly across time and geography. there's no unified theology, no shared scripture, no consistent metaphysic.
>58,000 denominations
that ridiculous figure comes from counting churches with congregation polity as their own denomination even if they have the exact same statements of faiths and teachings and affirm the exact same creeds, and also counting denominations that have churches in more than one country as separate denominations, so you have sillyness like 186 Roman Catholic Churches on the list. if you actually group by distinct theological traditions the number drops dramatically to a few hundred at most.

enough of that though, let's say i'm a huge hypocrite and Christianity is a mess, that doesn't make neo-paganism neo-wiccan pagan germanic norse reconstructionismist coherent or worthwhile. you can't build a meaningful worldview out of scattered myths, cosplay aesthetics and selective ancestral nostalgia.
>>514999407
roman paganism was ritualistic and civic, not theological or systematic.
it lacked a unified scripture, centralized priesthood, or consistent metaphysical framework. the rites varied from city to city, cult to cult.

we did suppress pagan temples and institutions, there were periods of destruction and repurposing.
but the shift was gradual and uneven. paganism remained widespread into the fifth century and lingered in rural areas (hence the term paganus, meaning country bumpkin basically) well into the 7th and even 9th centuries in places like greece.

the notion that Christianity erased a flourishing, unified pagan intellectual tradition is fantasy. paganism was already fragmenting and Christianity filled a vacuum with a coherent, universal worldview that resonated across cultures and classes.

>>514994527 (OP)
the real reason that the christianity destroyed rome theory cannot be correct is that most of roman catholicism was the worship of the exact same pagan gods with a new coat of paint
the church wholesale adopted the signs, symbols and myths of paganism
some examples are that the pope wear's dagon priests fish hat
mary worship was to subsume the isis cults
etc

>>514994527 (OP)
>Christians are now experiencing the same thing that the Romans experienced
False.
> and the Roman people will have their revenge from beyond the grave.
The “Roman people” already got their “revenge”.
>The Romans were good to the Christians
They persecuted them endlessly
>, and in turn the pushy and preachy Christians
They were the complete opposite of that
>acted like victims
Many of them were actually victims
>when they were powerless
Oh so they were both powerless and also destroyed Rome with all their influence, which is it?
>and then turned against their ancestral religion once powerful, destroying their own temples and banning Roman beliefs entirely.
I’m assuming you’re on some rant about the Catholic Church which was a Roman invention anyway

>We can even see today how Christian thought and culture pacifies people who are being invaded by masses of foreigners.
We can see your ignorance, yes. Your willingness to blame Christianity for something because you read it on a message board and your brain is unable to comprehend anything else.

>>514995803
Christkeks protected jews and allowed them to achieve the most power theyve ever had while wiping out all native european pagan beliefs

>>515000793
>They persecuted them endlessly
nope

>>515000666
>He wrote that the abandonment of the old gods and the embrace of the new religion, particularly by Emperor Constantine, caused the empire to lose divine favor.
Sounds like something an irrelevant, waffling old man would say. The Romans didn’t believe in their gods and if you actually believe they “lost their favour” you are more than a blithering idiot. Especially since you want to transplant one God for others, you aren’t even arguing a cultural point from then on. You are quite literally saying you think Dionysus would have rescued Rome from slow collapse.

Mormons, Orthodox, Amish > Pagans.
All pagans are spiritual jeets.

>>514998783
Those poor waldensians. All they wanted to do was read the Bible

>>515000874
I’m assuming that the author has brain damage, because it’s not even a disputable fact.

>>514994527 (OP)
it did, and anyone who disagrees is a christcuck

>>514994527 (OP)
maybe because they're biased lol. are a child?

>>514994527 (OP)

Yeshua sucks

>>515000971
yeah they persecuted them so much they allowed them to open churches and spread everywhere

>>515000971
Like the Holocaust?
I think I'll check it out, actually.

>>515000440
FYI The Great Fire of Rome (64) and the Great Fire of London (1666) and the Chicago Fire (available on NBC) were all started when Bessie kicked her milking bucket — any other theroies are antisemitic drivel and will be reported to the authorities.

>>515000677
>no unified theology
>b-but its not a problem when christianity does it! umm, congregation polity
lmao, lol even. how many wars were fought over differing pagan interpretations regarding the homeric hymn to zeus? none? why do christians tend to butcher, demean, slander and torture each other for different interpretations of the same verse? it doesnt seem that shared sacred scripture does you much good. you share a sacred scripture with the muslims and with the jews, yet I dont see them being friendly to you, no matter how much your priests kiss their feet.
>so you have sillyness like 186 Roman Catholic Churches on the list
but there are 186 different roman catholic churches anon. mexican catholicism is as alien to german catholicism as is their whole donkey-fucking child murdering culture. them being christian didnt change any of that. as christianity went from being a strictly european religion to a global religion, the mother church bent over for every foreigner and their strange beliefs that it could in order to spawn the mutt religion you see today. theres no consistency or unity brought from this; mexican catholics hate irish catholics and treat their people like shit, as was the case for sister helen chaska, whose rape and murder at the hands of a mexican immigrant who sheltered at a catholic mission the night before was covered up and buried by the church. at least paganism is upfront with its regional inconsistency, thats kinda part of the program. I dont mind that this village has their patron god, nor should they mind that I keep my own. but your religion demands we all worship the same god, in the same churches, with a bunch of foreigners who hate us, who groom and rape our kids and use the church to get their foot in the door of western civilization. it is only natural that white people should reject the church, whose parasitic nature has become all too obvious, and return to a more exclusive form of religion, which tribalist paganism offers

>>514996302
>>514996186
Yup paganiggers fail to understand the Rome at the height of paganism was multicultural and multilingual largely tied together through Greek and Latin. Each city throughout the empire had a patron God, temple, and rites. Eventually people were yearning to bring it all together and Christianity essentially did that but not long after the pantheon of God's disappeared with the citizenry comically becoming atheists.

>>515000874
>>515000971
she doesn't actually dispute there was persecution in the book, the subtitle is clickbait.
also, she's hot.

>>515000971
They are simps. Pic is Candida.

>>515000830
So pagans stopped being pagans and youre still crying about it thousands of years later
Sounds like loser mentality

>>515000482
>early Christian’s weren’t persecuted
What a retard

>>515000677
>the notion that Christianity erased a flourishing, unified pagan intellectual tradition is fantasy.

That's exactly what they did though. For example, look at how the Platonic Academy was shut down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_Academy

Christianity has a long tradition of viciously going after any ideology or thought that could challenge it, even attacking scientific institutions and throwing people like Galileo in prison. They certainly would have done the same to any Roman temples that maintained Roman traditions, and we know they did because they destroyed temples, artifacts, and manuscripts.

>>515001267
Not going to lie. She's hot, but she got those crazy eyes.

>>515001362
I wish they would've been holocausted like the jews were by Hadrian. But no all we have is your fake jewish persecution complex and mass troon outs.

>>515001362
why were the early christians persecuted anon? they dindu nuffin right?

>>515001277
Im just making the point that christkeks were the perfect golem to wipe out their own native beliefs for semite worship and allowing jews to lord over them

>>514994527 (OP)
Will Durant (Libertarian Historian) pins it all on dysgenics. The quality of the Romans on a genetic level got ruined then the rest came after.

>>514995767
Not all pagans are made the same. Platonists absolutely mog those losers.

Many of the so called Pagans would have identified themselves as Stoics or whatever school of philosophy they followed.

Stoicism is a ready made suitable replacement for Christcuckoldery, and the cherished belief of a sky daddy is doesn't have to be thrown away for the weak.

>>515001419
can you type up literally everything you know about the galileo affair?

i'll do it if you don't, but i would be interesting to read what you think happened.

Demographics is not talked enough. In the Empire, Levantines— North Africans, Middle Easterners, etc— became the majority of Romans. Christianity made god himself into one of them, one who had resisted the Romans and had promised their downfall. The parallel with nons flooding the West today, having their heads filled with subversive Jewish ideology about the nobility of their alleged suffering, the evil of Whites and the inevitability of the inheritance of the white world — it’s stunning.

Jews invented Christianity as a kind of Jewish War disinfo and the brown gentiles picked it up and ran with it. Then White Romans were on their back foot for a long time, facing demographic doom, desperately trying to spin it into something more European, which is why it takes on more vestiges of polytheistic paganism and why Yeshua himself even turns antisemitic.

>>514994527 (OP)
Because the Third Century Crisis had nothing to do with Christianity

>>514994527 (OP)
>then why do the accounts of Roman pagan aristocrats directly blame the decline of Rome on its adoption of Christianity and the subsequent loss of its Roman-ness
Because Roman Aristocrats are the ones that drove the Republic into the ground, forcing the Empire to consolidate in the first place. Western Rome fell because it didn't pay its mercenaries. End of story.

>>514996608
>Implying Americans are christians

>am I out of touch
>no it's the christians who are wrong

>>515002690
>implying its only the american christians

>>514995720
>Jesus was unmistakably a Jew by birth
No he wasn't, he was a Judean. Judean does not mean "jew"

>>515003340
right, just like germanic doesnt mean german, and italic doesnt mean italian, and celtic doesnt mean celt, and slavic doesnt mean slav.

>>515003519
>has to make false analogies
Jesus still wasn't born a jew

Bumping just to spite the herbs tranny

>>515003787
This is bad faith pilpul for goys and it sounds like Sovereign Citizen horseshit but for religion.

>>514995803
Christcucks never once persecuted or did anyhting about jews lmao. How can christcucks say you kiced jews out of 109 nations yet leave out that you let them back in 110 times? LMAO

Absolute drivel from a coping christcuck

>>515000433
Lolwut
>>515000440
I'm reading Metamorphoses right now, seriously what is there to study in regards to theology? You would have to do backflips to find any moral instruction in it, it's pure high drama and cosmic self-interest.

>>515004742
The pagan gods could be defeated by other pagan gods. What good is a god that can be defeated even if you believe in the related pantheon?

>>515000162
>330 a.d
he wasnt even alive, holy fuck you are retarded

Rome was globohomo too.
>multicultural
>homosexual
>pointless foreign wars
>massive wealth gap
It was the globohomo of that era

>>515004962
You're right my bad, it was the 410s

>>515004175
>This is bad faith pilpul for goys and it sounds like Sovereign Citizen horseshit but for religion.
It's not bad faith
It's not pilpul
It's not just for goys
And it doesn't sound like whatever you [insert schizo feelings]
There's no way you could derive all that from effectively 4 words: "Jesus wasn't jewish"

You're a consensus cracking shill and probably getting paid for it

>>515002630
This but also the barbarians used the Roman roads to invade Rome. Victim of success and all that, their road network got too extensive and well-built.

>>515005232
>It's not just for goys
Lookout guys, we have a jew whisperer here.

>>515004670
what theology does your torah have? explain to the symbolic meaning of the 100 philistine foreskins and how it relates to the prophecy of christ

>>515006584
Uhh... you said you read City of God soooo... what's the problem?

>>515006784
just not a fan of baby penis skin is all, my religion lacks such barbaric traditions

Edward Gibbon (freemason) started the gay ass myth of Christianity causing the decline of Rome. Nigger entirely forgot about Eastern Rome.

>>514994527 (OP)
Christianity caused Rome to fall, and the Jews pushed Christianity the same way they push rap music. Revenge for Hadrian and Judea. All you really need ti know desu.

>>515007095
>be east roman
>get face disfigured for speaking against emperor
>have one eye and nose removed in court
>daughter gets married at 8 years old to emperor
>he rapes her and breaks her uterus so that she cant have kids
>he gets canonized

>>515007215
take your meds schizo

>>514995720
Jesus was a follower of the Israelite faith. What we know as "Judaism" started to be formed by the descendants of the Pharisees after the death of Christ, largely evolved in opposition to Christianity, and essentially became the religion it is today in the 13th Century AD. You're equating Him with his mortal enemy, making you a shit stained lying fucktwat.

>>514994527 (OP)
They were just jealous of the superior Jew worshippers of course

>>515000440
>>515006985
>city of god
>great work of lit
Okay schizo, meds now

>>514994527 (OP)
>Christianity was jewish trojan horse
Based if true they created christcucknity to take revenge on rome then christkike turn to there jewish masters for "le killing rabbi christkike " lol .
Make a movie out it hollywood jew bros

>>514994527 (OP)

warrior culture being replaced with a more passive mercantile like culture was an inevitability of the creation of the nation state and of larger organizing of resource and supply chains which is what rome began and was carried into the middle ages. The source was not christianity but the ever increasing organization of society

>>514994527 (OP)

Germans destroyed Rome.

>>515009032
>neopagan LARPers are just 80 iq jeets

>>514995292
>Jews created Christianity to convert gentiles into judeophiles.
Jesus Christ created Christianity. The Jews murdered him to attempt to unmake it. Right now, in Palestine, Jews make sure to precision strike Gazan churches during liturgy. Go ask an atheist Jew where Zeus is right now and he'll say "I don't think he existed." Followup by asking where Jesus Christ is, and they'll tell you he's in hell boiling in excrement.

The Jews are not pro-Christianity. That's why they work so hard to subvert or destroy Christianity. That's why they commit the Holodomor.

The argument "Christianity has Jewish aspects" can be made. But the argument "I think Christianity is a conspiracy by Judaics" is retarded.

>>515009565
>Jews make sure to precision strike Gazan churches during liturgy
Based that's what they get for constantly siding with israel over the decades. Plus the ratio of mosques to churches bombed is something like 400 to 1.

>>514994527 (OP)
Rome was collapsing before christianity.

>>514994527 (OP)
>Christianity

>>514996302
Read:
Everlasting Man, Chesterton
The City of God, Augustine

>>514999564
you fucked up with your first sentence, brainlet. lol, fucking retard. logic dummy

>>515010049
be sure to listen to some christian music while youre at it

>>514994527 (OP)
>why do the accounts of Roman pagan aristocrats directly blame the decline of Rome on its adoption of Christianity and the subsequent loss of its Roman-ness?

Its called cope anon. Anyone who ever semi seriously studied Rome cam tell you Rome nearly collapsed multiple times and this was when Rome was decidedly pagan.

Romans became Christian because the Roman Empire, and Roman society, was collapsing.

>>514995822
Easy' you sinply must not be a retard and actually paid attention to European history from 500 AD to 1960 AD.

>>514996096
This. Its the same reason you see a rise in rekigiosoty amongst the boomers. Our secular institutions have failed.

>>514994527 (OP)
Sure the vengeful jews had nothing to do with it after Rome fucked their shit up in year 70.

>>514998184
The Vikings came after Christianity burned and murdered their way through Europe. Maybe a little revenge, maybe fighting against the dying of light like Hitler centuries later. What little of it survives is thanks to Christian Jewish golems. Pagan is simply your word for goy, you learned well didn't you.

You only believe there isn't a coherent metaphysical thread between the different beliefs because you never actually looked into it seriously. Even though large swaths of your religion borrows heavily from them.

What you call a "LARP" is a blood memory that refuses to die. An unquenchable flame. Christianity's fruit is coming to full bloom, and it has lead to the suicide of whites. Those that are left that still refuse to bow to Yahweh will find a world of mutts and niggers with a few Jews tugging their leash. An easily conquered mishmash of slaves with nothing to fight for. The winter of lunar religion will give way to the burning sun.

>>514999564
>I've never seen a Christian on /pol/ defend Christianity as anything but a thin veil for White Nationalism,

This right here exposes you for a liar. Tons of anons have defended christianity on the basis of the religion itself.

Guess you need to go back to sophistry school because of your going to lie to try to convince people you can't make it so blatant

>>514994527 (OP)
this website is only good to edgy shit and trolling, all else should be redirected to your favorite LLM
>Roman elites blamed Christianity, and their perspective is important, but modern scholarship sees their critique as part of a broader tapestry of decline. Christianity likely changed Roman culture, but it was not the engine of collapse.

>>515000440
>augustine argues for the execution of heretics and pagans

Lier detected.

>>514994527 (OP)
>We can even see today how Christian thought and culture pacifies people who are being invaded by masses of foreigners.
Bad teachers make bad students just look at leftist children today lol. They cut their cocks off for social praise.

>>515009808
>Based that's what they get for constantly siding with israel over the decades

Notice how you said decades rather than centuries or millenia.

>>515011864
We have a new one.

The First Rebellion and The Final Rebellion.

Satan is not in rebellion against Yahweh, they in in league. Satan is not in rebellion if he fulfills Revelations, Gods plan.

Now A new world is coming, you can see him on the tv and in the sky, and everywhere.

>>515012170
The state of israel hasn't existed for centuries, genius. Had it I'm sure you'd have christians tithing to it like they did to judea in the first century.

>>515012072
>AI overview
Kill yourself.

>>514994527 (OP)
Christianity is a jewish falsehood. There's not a shred of truth in it. It's all horseshit. The jews invented Christianity to give the Greco-Roman goyim a reason not to genocide them.

>>514994527 (OP)
Christianity wasn't the cause -it was the final nail. Romans wouldn't suddenly adopt some pagan slave-religion, unless society had already fallen into decay - the same way America adopted nigger-culture worship, once family values and morality had gone into decline.

>>515001446
>be of good cheer and impregnate your mother/sister/daughter and worship fucking trees and snakes
shiggydiggy

>>515013542
You know the entire basis of christianity is god impregnating his preteen mom so she could birth him right lmao

>>515013632
>the entire basis
no. Part of it. Sure. But Mary wasn't a preteen. Was that an error on your part or do you not know what a preteen is?

>>515013632
god didn't have physical sex or physical impregnation with mary.
it was done by the holy spirit which is the incarnation.

>>515001197
>how many wars were fought over differing pagan interpretations regarding the homeric hymn to zeus?
obviously they wouldn't fight over a stupid hymn (neither would christians), but that doesn't mean they didn't mercilessly kill each other ALL OF THE TIME. in fact, they fought way more and often than reformation era christians did, just at a much larger scale. also the vast majority of their conflicts are not recorded in history, we just know for a fact that they fought basically nonstop
desu most Christians just used scripture as an excuse to fight somebody and take their land/resources. you should read about the 30 years war. the inquisition and witch hunting were brutal, but if you don't believe the germanic pagans were brutal savages you are retarded

>>515014367
>neither would christians
lmao. lol, even. didnt the spaniards mass-rape your women and then justify it by calling them dirty protestant dogs? please tell me youre at least not a catholic.

>>515003519
i dont want to simp for baby jesus, but he is correct when he says the Judeans were not Jews. as a matter of fact jews didn't even exist back then, there were people that spoke the hebrew language and worship hebrew gods, some of them monotheistic, others not. the original kingdom os David was also not Jewish, but Israelite. nobody referred to them as the jewish people. Judean specifically refers from somebody that originated from the area of Judea, thousands of years ago. the vast majority of jews are not judean, maybe even none of them
Jesus was aramaic and semetic, but he wasn't a jew. he was most closely related to the current populations of palestine, lebanon and syria

>>515010049
More like the ever eating man, imagine taking anything from this disgusting whale seriously

>>515014945
kek. how does one even get that back then? didnt even have no computahs, no sail phones

>>515014689
i'm not christian at all bro, my problem is "adult" people like you coming to an adult website to larp as ancient viking warriors. i'd say go outside and touch grass

>>515014805
>>515015317

WE WUZ dah REAAALL Hebrews n shieet!
>calls other anons LARPers

>>515015317
>not christian
>not pagan
fencesitters get the rope first