Thread 519022108

Is it true? Is it actually moral to bomb civilians indiscriminately?

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>>519022108 (OP)
>collateral damage
When picrel said that everyone shat all over him

>>519022129
My bad
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2024/03/92928/

>>519022108 (OP)
Let’s race check the author
>schlomo
Yeah ok fine screw subtlety I guess, literally named schlomo, ok

>>519022108 (OP)
Yes.

Fucking Jews man

>>519022108 (OP)
>colatoral damage is justified :)
2001 - 2021

>colatoral damage is WARCRIME :(
2022 - 2022

>colatoral damage is justified :)
2023 -

that was a strange moment

>>519022108 (OP)
fucking kikes

>>519022108 (OP)
I propose we nuke palestine and gaza from the river to the sea. It's the only way to stop terrorism. Someone get the nuclear feds on the phone right now. Also i want a kickback for organising firing tests and increasing weapon production.

https://youtu.be/HTlJb0JYDdo?si=HNNtSa8hH7hbE2rg
DS9 tackled this decades ago. Only it was the locals who were justified in self defense, not the invaders.

>>519022108 (OP)
>Schlomo
This can't be real.
This timeline is broken.

>>519022108 (OP)
>Is it actually moral to bomb civilians indiscriminately?
Only if you're Jewish because goyim are cattle.

>>519022108 (OP)
Yes, but only if whites do it

>>519022108 (OP)
If theyre brown

Of course it's justified. How else would you deal with enemy combatants who intentionally embed themselves among civilians and civilian infrastructure? If you let that shit slide that would be like a cheat code for any group who uses Hamas-like tactics. Especially if a large number of civilians actually cooperate with those combatants. At that point you forfeit your life.

>>519022108 (OP)
Tunnel rats are fucked in the head.

>>519022108 (OP)
>by shlomo m brody
Uh huh

morally justified? no
something to bother avoiding? also no
i hate how those faggots who will never even have a family member fight in a war act like it's all good to kill as many cunts as you want in a war but then have the gall to act horrified when you do it the "wrong" way

>>519022108 (OP)
What Israel does goes far beyond collateral damage.

>>519025685
I like all those posts about some radical views among jewish people while the radical views among muslims are not only much more extreme and numerable, they also actually do that shit. How many jewish motivated terror attacks in the west and how many islam motivated? There is only one real threat here and it ain't the jews.

>>519022108 (OP)
If Jews are doing it, yes
if Jews are on the receiving end it's terrorism of the worst of kind, obviously

>>519024113
Funny how well the Cardassian occupation of Bajor mimics the Jewish occupation of Palestine. Wonder if it was intentional.

>>519022108 (OP)
>https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2024/03/92928/
>please westoids let us kill children
>(((Shlomo M. Brody)))

>>519025561
Maybe don't get into asymmetric conflicts by occupying other people's countries?

The traditional argument, originally used to justify both inhumane methods of warfare (e.g. poison gas in ww1) and civilian bombing (beginning in the same war) was
>it will end the war quicker and save more lives in the long run
Suffice to say no weapon has succeeded in ending any war appreciably faster and decisively until the nuclear bomb in 1945, and no weapon has since
Time and time again it is shown that bombing civilians does not cow them into submission, rather it incenses them (at least in European countries at war, with media propaganda)

>>519025920
>How many jewish motivated terror attacks in the west
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but Jews actually do like conducting bombings, shootings and kidnappings around the world

>>519022108 (OP)
collateral damage and indiscriminate bombing are mutually exclusive concepts.
if you don't have a specific target, then it's just damage, since it's not "collateral" to anything.
all evidence points to israeli using target discrimination, not indiscriminate bombing. compare the number of civilians killed to their base rate in the population. or the number of children killed to their base rate in the population. with so many thousands of bombs dropped, indiscriminate bombing means these rates would match their base rate in the population.

>>519026032
The Gaza occupation by Israel ended in 2005. Plenty of time for the palestinians to create a new generation based on peace and coexistence and to come to a beneficial agreement to have their own state. Too bad they think being a martyr and killing jews is the best thing you can be and do. So when they start a war and then get their shit pushed it I have zero sympathy. They are their own worst enemy.

>>519026311
You mean like the revenge missions conducted by the mossad?
Actual terror attacks by random jews in the west based on politically or religiously motivated jewish views are news to me. And even if there are some, the relation is just not there when compared to all the jihadistic terror attacks.

>>519023254
Globohomo is a hell of a drug

>>519022108 (OP)
Jewish behavior sounds too good to be true. What's so bad about acknowledging that Jews are like everyone else? Always the victim? An entire group of people? Come on. No group is that squeaky clean. To suggest that Jews never were assholes is to suggest that Jews are somehow different from non Jews. This difference would imply they're superior because it follows that if they're immune to typical human-group conflict they must be more moral or enlightened somehow. It's such a weird phenomenon.

>>519022108 (OP)
>Shlomo M. Brody

>>519025958
its clearly a parody of the french resistance against the germans pedro you fool

>>519025561
Damn bro you would have hated the American Revolution

>>519026689
>The Gaza occupation by Israel ended in 2005
Only in Hasbara headcannon

>>519025920
The IDF is literally an amalgam of Jewish terror groups like the Stern Gang, Haganah, etc who were incorporated into the official military after the creation of the state like sixty years ago. I think its crazy for such an army with the origin it has to pearl clutch about muh terrorism when they were bombing Christian hospitals not so long ago themselves

>>519027452
jews were ethnically cleansed from the gaza strip in 2005 and haven't occupied any of it since then until the current war

>>519025920
Mossad likely shot Kirk and JFK
There's more than enough circumstantial evidence they had hand in 9/11
Folke Bernadotte killing
Adenauer assassination attempt
JDL did numerous terror attacks
The whole terror campaign that formed Israel in the first place
Jews are as capable of muzzies of that kind of thing
Remember there are two billion muzzies and only 15 million jews

>>519027452
Can you recommend a single serious source that refutes what I said?

>>519027519
Israel isn't squeaky clean or has a squeaky clean history, but any group of people surrounded by a much larger group of people intent on killing them has to do what's necessary to survive. And of the two, Israel is by far the lesser evil, it's not even close. Muslim propaganda has done a hell of a job with minds in the west.

>>519027686
They still occupy the envelope which is rightful Palestinian land
The blockade is occupation in international law
The Israelis invaded again anyway three times between 2005 and 2023
Then there's the whole West Bank thing

>>519022108 (OP)
Your basic bitch jew holohoax was just collateral damage in a war waged against international Jewry, shlomo.

>>519027829
>rightful Palestinian land
the agreement you're referring to was thrown in the trash by both parties
it's contested territory
>blockade is occupation
these are fully distinct concepts, otherwise we wouldn't need a word for blockade
>The Israelis invaded again anyway three times
yes, evidently ethnically cleansing the jews in 2005 was a mistake
>Then there's the whole West Bank thing
they shouldn't have thrown the last five agreements in the trash
it's disputed territory now
I don't think they'll make the mistake of ethnically cleansing the jews like they did in gaza in 2005

>>519027783
https://www.icrc.org/en/document/ihl-occupying-power-responsibilities-occupied-palestinian-territories

>>519022108 (OP)
Absolutely not. We need to re-convene the Geneva conventions to make it explicit humanitarian law that 50% of the blame for human shield deaths should be on the attacker. Human shields would stop being protected like this if they are made aware they are human shields for enough time to escape.
Clearly, everyone already thinks the current human shield laws are inadequate. Otherwise there would not be so much outrage at Israel's conduct in the Gaza war

>>519028010
Yelling hasbara nonsense at reality doesn't change it

>>519022108 (OP)
>Schlomo
Lol

>>519028170
did you really not know that jews were ethnically cleansed from gaza in 2005?

>>519027829
>They still occupy the envelope which is rightful Palestinian land
Those are the people who share their opinions online. The gaza envelope is part of israel proper, not gaza.

Perhaps hamas shouldn't indisciminately launch thousands of rockets into israel for years. Perhaps they shouldn't conduct terror attacks and blow themselves up in public like they did during the second intifada. Maybe then israelis wouldn't feel the need to keep them blockaded in order to prevent more death.

The gazans are not innocent. The gazans live to kill jews. The top priority for them isn't even to have their own state, it's to make sure the jews don't have one. There is no peace or compromise with them, only death and violence. We are talking about an extemely radical jihadist group of people here. I don't fault israel for wanting to protect themselves against that even if some of their methods are questionable.

Tell me more about what you think you know about "the whole west bank thing"

>>519028107
Israel didn't target Hunan shields, they just bomb whatever they feel like. That's why there's so much outrage

>>519022108 (OP)
Soooo, Shlomo suggesting that Hitler might have been right to lock all kikes into concentration camps?

Anytime you can take your hand off the trigger/red button and walk away, and you don’t, it’s not moral, Shlomo. It’s not moral to burn and starve Palestine. Not moral to nuke 100,000 civilians in Japan or ground invasion. It’s just not.

>>519028106
>The ICRC’s longstanding position is...
Are you baiting me? The International Commitee of the Red Cross is not a source of historic or legal consequence. That's literally just the opinion of a humanitarian organization. Do you have something else?

>>519028300
This is such a misreading if history it is flabbergasting.
>The gazans live to kill jews
These people have had their land stolen and been subjected to a brutal occupation for the best part of a century. They have a right and a moral duty to resist that.
The number of Palis killed by Israel is magnitudes more than the Israelis killed by Palestinians.
Israel politicians have been using genocidal rhetoric for two years. They've bombed Gaza indiscriminately
Yet it's the Gazans who want to kill Jews...
>. The top priority for them isn't even to have their own state, it's to make sure the jews don't have one.
Source. Your feelings
>We are talking about an extemely radical jihadist group of people here
Where did they come from? What radicalised them?
Why are muzzies religious fundies worse than Jewish greater Israel supremacists?
>the whole west bank thing
Under occupation since 67. Continued expansion of settlements by Israel. Apartheid system. All in breach of UN resolutions and even against the policy of the US government

>>519028546
Ok how about
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n23/260/71/pdf/n2326071.pdf

>>519028400
they have a program called "Where's Daddy" that notifies them when a suspected Hamas associate (according to Palantir) is at home with their family, so they can strike them then and kill their whole family with them (often like 14-30 people).

They claim they only do this because they're slightly more likely to successfully hit the target at their home, and the rest of the family killed is just collateral damage of human shields that the Hamas guy put in danger (so its only his fault of course).

Obviously they just do this to prevent pic related. They don't want any vengeful orphans so they try to kill everyone. Psychotic.

Here's a list of like 9,000 incidents where mostly family homes were blown up with the family inside killed:
https://airwars.org/belligerent/israeli-military/page/38/?start_date=2023-10-07&post_type=civ

>>519028546
Btw do you think the ICRC isn't a serious organisation? Do they not have lawyers, consultants and experts to draw on? Are they anti-Semitic?

>>519022108 (OP)


It's bad enough to have longhouse bitchfags like the Kissingers and Churchills of the world calling the shots without the recognition that war in general needs to have some kind of coherent strategic goal to be justified in the first place

>>519028706
Their land? Whose land? As far as I know there was never palestinian country. That land was part of the ottoman empire and when that fell it was the british who had it. How much further do you want to go back? Far enough to get to the jews who lived there before they were displaced? The palestinian identity of today was an invention by arafat.
Resist what? The existence of a jewish state? Who are they to say the jews have no right to a state but they themselves do? Silly.
If I hit mike tyson and give him bloody lip and he hits back and gives me a broken jaw and 4 missing teeth it would still hsve been my fault because I started shit.
Source is that throughout history they had many chances to have a state but they thought it would be better to keep fighting.
Ah yeah all the radical elements in the muslim world and within islam are the faults of the jews or israel. Before israel it was all wonderful.
The west bank was under the british mandate when it was occupied and annexed by jordan from 48 to 50. Only 2 countries recognized it as jordan's land. Then after the six day war israel captured it from jordan. Claiming israel is in the wrong here is blurry at best. The west bank debate is complicated for a reason and any person who wants to claim that there is a clear right and wrong has no clue about the history and international law and should be considered unserious.

>>519025561
Israel created Hamas in the first place to thwart a two-state solution and justify subsequent Nakbas:

>For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/


>Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists. Hamas, a spin-off of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, was formally established with Israel’s support soon after the first Intifada flared in 1987 as an uprising against the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands.
>Israel’s objective was twofold: to split the nationalist Palestinian movement led by Arafat and, more fundamentally, to thwart the implementation of the two-state solution for resolving the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By aiding the rise of an Islamist group whose charter rejected recognizing the Israeli state, Israel sought to undermine the idea of a two-state solution, including curbing Western support for an independent Palestinian homeland.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/

Some more breadcrumbs to follow:

https://files.catbox.moe/pb8rx2.mp4


And now, just to make things even more cartoonishly evil, Israel is insisting that the West take in the radicalized refugees:

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4297914-israeli-lawmakers-urge-world-leaders-to-accept-gaza-refugees/

It doesn't get much more geopolitically fucked than that. Even if you hate Palestinians, you should still resent Israel for trying to push the survivors onto us knowing damn well they're all now perma-jihadists.

>>519029462
It isn't limited to just Hamas, either. Israel also funds, supports, and sometimes even runs ISIS and al Qaeda, to use in proxy wars and false-flag operations.

ISIS attacked Israel only once, and that was by accident. As soon as it realized what it had done, ISIS apologized profusely to Israel.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-israel-defence-force-apology-attack-unit-golan-heights-defense-minister-moshe-ya-alon-a7700616.html

Israel provides medical aid to wounded ISIS and al Qaeda guerilla fighters:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/11/exclusive-israel-is-tending-to-wounded-syrian-rebels/

In at least one case, it was discovered that an ISIS leader was actually an Israeli jew Mossad agent:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/isis-commander-captured-libya-revealed-mossad-agent/231863/

According to oral tradition compiled in the Talmud, racism and genocide are sacred concepts for Jews. Even if what the OP posted is fake, or taken out of context, it is still the official position of Jewish ethics, an ethic that is so alien to Americans that Jews must expend considerable resources to keep it hidden from the people they parasitize.

>>519029523
controlled opposition is their favorite and most effective strategy. Well 2nd favorite, behind assassinations.

>>519029445
ROME'S LAND

>jewish academics argue the West is evil because muh colonialism, muh imperialism, muh needless civilian casualties
>BUT ALSO ACKSHULLY there's nothing wrong with imperialistic colonialism and turning whole countries into bombed-out rubble featuring innumerable civilian maimings/casualties when Israel does it :^)
hmmm yes i see, rules for thee but not for me.

>>519029445
>Ah yeah all the radical elements in the muslim world and within islam are the faults of the jews or israel
Didn't say that. Hamas aren't ISIS or Al Quaeda. Conflating them is disingenuous and erases what they are primarily about. They're a national resistance movement.
And there is a clear right and wrong. It really isn't difficult
Israel has robbes these people of their land, their right to self determination, their freedom and often their lives
Pointing at mistakes their leadership has made or atrocities done in the name of their cause doesn't change that.
All the quibbling, sophistry and obfuscation in the world can't change it
The Israelis want their land and want them to fuck off or die
There's seven million Palis there and Netanyahu is saying they have no right to a land of their own. It's bullshit and it isn't right and the world sees it now

>>519028963
The UN has a long history of deep-seeded antisemitism. UNRWA alone makes anything coming out of the UN regarding israel dubious at best. Also the fact that israel has had more condemnations against it regarding human rights violations than all other countries combined. Laughable. But that's what happens when there is only one jewish state but more than 50 muslim states.

And yes, any organization can be biased.

I find it not at all productive to entirely focus on any violations by israel while completely turning a blind eye to all the attrocities by the palestinians, who by the way actually intentionally target civilians. The only reason they haven't committed a genocide is not for lack of trying. Luckily israel outguns them.

>>519029926
Ok so respected non-political NGOs aren't food enough
The United Nations is antisemitic
What kind of source would you accept?

>>519022108 (OP)
>Shlomo Brody
Did you edit that, OP?

>>519029926
>all the attrocities by the palestinians
They've killed a lot less Israelis than the Israelis have killed Palestinians

>>519029926
>that's what happens when there is only one jewish state but more than 50 muslim states.
It's also what would happen if the Israelis have been brutalising Palestinians more than vice versa

>>519029867
>Hamas aren't ISIS or Al Quaeda
They would if they could.
Their main goal is to kill jews. That's it. They have zero interest in furthering the progress of their own people or to try to get their own state via diplomacy. They had many chances. They celebrate when their own kids in the fight against the jews. They mentality dictates that losing both hands is worth it if a jew loses a finger. There is nothing there worthy of deserving a state. No democrcy, no liberty, no liberlism. Instead indoctrination and child soldiers and suicide bombings and murdering civilians. They do not deserve a state until they become a society worthy of having one.

>>519022108 (OP)
https://youtu.be/57rMzjIE5l4

>>519030233
Not for lack of trying. If they had nukes they 100% would launch them at israel even if it killed themselves. The intention matters more then the result. Just because israel has the ability to do more doesn't mean they are the bad guys. A hobo with a broken bottle attacking a guy with a glock is still the one who's in the wrong.

>>519022108 (OP)
collateral damage, when it is an over populated developing/third world shit hole, is only ever a good thing.

The palestinians could have had a state long ago. They had so many chances but they chose war. Now we are all supposed to care that they suffer the consequences of their actions?

>>519030308
>They do not deserve a state until they become a society worthy of having one.
Wait till you hear about Israel. A totalitarian dictatorship, lots of degeneracy and gay sex, runs false flags and settles on neighbors' land, murdering women and children because of some 5000 year old claim to land and their fucked up headcanon.

Yeah, stones and glass houses, moshe

>>519030308
>They would if they could.
Source: your feelings
>Their main goal is to kill jews.
Source: you
>They celebrate when their own kids in the fight against the jews.
When people are pissed on by another people they celebrate fighting back. It's basic human dignity.
>There is nothing there worthy of deserving a state
There's seven million human beings
Incidentally, Israel itself was formed on the back of a years long terrorist campaign that killed a lot of my countrymen. Should Israel never have come into existence? Your logic seems to suggest that

>>519030417
Your just wandering into fantasy land now. This isn't serious discussion

>>519030523
>PLEASEEEEE LET US JUST GENOCIDE A COUNTRY PLEEEEASSE

>>519022108 (OP)
By definition, collateral is unjustified. It's unrelated innocents caught in the crossfire.

>>519030175
Sadly more and more organizations have been proven to systematically condemn israel unfairly while ignoring the other side. I usually follow the source material such organizations or the UN cite to justify their reasoning and often times I have found that those source were deeply compromised against israel.

>>519030697
Just watch this Jewish verbal magick

>>519025935
came here to post this

>>519030742
>source?
>no, not that kind of source!!

>>519030523
shoo, jew

>>519030175
not him but blockades aren't illegal
since one form of international law is poorly defined "customary international law", the field is full of wishful thinking, people stating what they think the law ought to be instead of what it is.
if you can't find a treaty, and it doesn't violate customs (everyone else has done it for decades/centuries) then blockades for national security purposes aren't illegal no many how many faggots at the UN say otherwise

They bombed literally every building and then justified it saying "Oh Hamas was in there." Even though there's recordings of Israelis throwing det charges into empty buildings and blowing them up just because.

No one on Earth believes this wasn't a terror campaign. They were systematically trying to destroy all Palestinian cities, every single building, so they could then justify shoveling all of them into Europe on "humanitarian" grounds, which would be just thinly veiled ethnic cleansing.

The only reason this didn't succeed is because of Trump. And I know this is going to anger a lot of the nickggers but fuck them, they're irrelevant.

>>519030657
I am against genocide. And if israel were committing one I would speak out against it. Pro muslim propaganda has thrown that term around so much that any factor or indicator to determine whether there's a genocide going on has simply been ignored.

>>519030742
I asked what kind of source you would accept

>>519030742
jews r bad fren
period

>>519030844
I'll go with the UN over anon on /pol/ but thanks anyway

>>519030875
The ones I have researched and determined to be objective. Not to sound like one of those guys but you actually gotta do your own research when it comes to this conflict. There is an insane amount of nonfactual propaganda even at the highest levels.

>>519025561
>enemy combatants who intentionally embed themselves among civilians and civilian infrastructure?
This is more true of the idf than of any "terrorist" organization that has ever existed. And that's with them being the ones invading and exterminating a civilian population center with no legitimate military targets.
According to jew logic it is not only morally acceptable but in fact morally imperative that every single israeli be killed.

>>519030849
Hamas' main strategy is literally to embed themselves among civilians and civilian infrastructure. Their underground tunnel network is insanely vast and spans all of gaza with many buildings having access gates or hatches to those tunnels. That makes them military infrastructure.

>>519030849
Israel has been proven to hide a lot of military assets under their own residential districts. It was another case of "accuse your enemy of what you do".

>>519030656
you're in complete denial
there have been open and frank discussions among arabs dating back to arafat's day about renouncing terrorism and no longer targeting civilians
hamas is clearly in the "fuck that" camp according to its words and deeds
you're in denial and have no authority calling anyone else delusional

>>519030853
>I am against genocide. And if israel were committing one I would speak out against it.
Israel is committing one and you're making excuses with dubious arguments and denying reality
>Sadly more and more organizations have been proven to systematically condemn israel unfairly
Maybe it isn't unfair? Maybe that consensus is because what the Israelis have done (and are doing) is indefensible

>>519030958
you should learn to judge the credibility of an idea by its predictive value, not who said it
if you're still confused about the legality of blockades under international law maybe try asking some questions

>>519031138
It's a big leap from "Hamas are using terrorist methods" to "they would've have nukes themselves if it's done for Israel too"

>>519031255
I have, thanks. Don't have any more time for you hasbara vagaries

>>519030742
>Sadly more and more organizations have been proven to systematically condemn israel unfairly while ignoring the other side
literally everyone except Israel's direct enemies have condemned Hamas and Oct 7.
What do you want? The world to continuously condemn Hamas every day for the same thing they did 2 years ago, while ignoring Israel doing the same shit back 50x over the whole time in between?

Two wrongs dont make a right; if you commit genocide then you are held accountable for that, no matter what your opponent did. And there is a distinction between Hamas and the Gazan people (and children).

>>519031261
nobody said themselves, that's just your misunderstanding of how nukes work talking
I'll save you having to ask:
they don't have the capacity to deliver an air burst or anything else that would pose a threat more than ~5km away

>>519031159
>Israel is committing one and you're making excuses with dubious arguments and denying reality
There is no dolus specialis. Nothing here points in the direction of israel committing a genocide. Hamas on the other hand has claimed many times that they want to genocide the jews. They are just unable to do so. But if they could they would do it. Only one side in this conflict want to genocide the other, and it isn't israel.

>>519022108 (OP)
newsflash retard no one on this planet cares about morality at all.
>does it benefit me y/n
>does it benefit people i care about y/n
that’s the only calculation anyone ever makes

>>519026689
The country is Palestine, you goof.

>>519030995
So the ones that agree with your conclusion?
Israel has lost the argument and the control it had over the discourse. Why? Because the facts aren't on its side. It's over. You need new tactics.

>>519031337
>vagaries
no u
blockading people who pose a national security threat is legal
in fact the US blew up a blockade runner just yesterday

>>519022108 (OP)
if these small hat wearing, ugly fucking demons didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
but i can see where their libtard pets get their nonsense from, funny how their libtard and brownoid pets turned on them.

>>519031517
>Israel has lost the argument and the control it had over the discourse. Why? Because the facts aren't on its side. It's over. You need new tactics.
kek this nigger accused me of vagaries and he thinks this is worth a post
every accusation is a confession with you people

>>519031582
that fucking little jew demon should be skinned alive

>>519031594
shalom, shitskin kike

>>519031594
post blunders, post vagaries my dear

>>519031397
>Nothing here points in the direction of israel committing a genocide.
The dead people, the dead kids. The kids intentionally sniped.
The genocidal rhetoric from israeli politicians, media, in the society at large
Using starvation as a weapon of war
Bombing refugee camps, bombing aid workers, infrastructure, houses, hospitals, fertility clinics
The ICC warrants
The opinion of genocide scholars
You're denying it now and you'll spend the next however long denying this report and that finding and denouncing veryone as biased and antisemitic. That's your business. A very grim one too

>>519026229
According to basically every US military authority at the time, the nukes aren't what got Japan to surrender, either. They were already considering surrender and their one sticking point was that they didn't want the emperor executed. Before the nukes our jewish owners insisted that was unacceptable and that we totally needed to carry out the two worst war crimes in all of human history and that the only alternative was killing a bunch of young American men and the entire population of Japan in an invasion. But then when the Japanese surrendered we didn't execute the emperor. The nukes were a human sacrifice.

>>519022108 (OP)
gaza is a genocide legally speaking it is very simple because intent is easy to establish with everybody in israel running their mouth for 2 years flat

>>519031517
I will remind you of just how crazed even UN is when it comes to lying about israel. A few months ago a UN official said that 14k babies will die in gaza in the next 48 hours if they don't get aid within 48 hours. 14k babies. Just that alone should let a reasonable person that there's some bullshit going on. Turns out that prediction was what would happen if there was no aid for a full year. Oops I guess. Or just another intentional case of making israel seem worse than actual facts would.
So many israel lies come out of the UN it's insane. When it comes to israel they are as corrupt as some third world dictatorship.

>>519031754
>the one sticking point was our demand for unconditional surrender
>the japs were concerned about [condition]
>we didn't even do [condition] confirming it was just a delay tactic
what an illogical post
what exactly do you think ultimately compelled them to stop delaying and accept unconditional surrender?

>>519031741
Dead people, even civilians, in a war? Say it ain't so! Unheard of.
Compare that war to any other war conducted in such a dense urban setting and you will see israel has the best combatant to civilian ratio in history. Despite what hamas propaganda wants you to think

>>519031841
hamas isn't a race
>>519031853
it's like our senate, everyone has to pretend new hampshire is worth 1/50th of a voice
I stopped listening when sandniggers took over the human rights council

>>519031897
stop engaging with jewish trick slop, gaza is a genocide because the israeli cabinet, their military leaders and their president said it is in no uncertain terms even their plan leaked

international law does not have the concept of an attempted genocide in it thus israel is fully guilty of it

>>519031968
denial is always the last phase of genocide

>>519031963
You'll keep denying reality in the face of the world. What can be said? The truth will set you free mate. And also it will stop you making excuses for murderers.
btw are you Jewish?

>>519032050
The numbers are there. Civilian deaths in gaza are insanely low compared to combatant deaths in terms of the ratio. Literally better than any other similar armed conflict.

>>519032014
>their president said it is a genocide in no uncertain terms
that's false
it's actually a war
one with remarkably low civilian casualties considering the urban environment and lack of dedicated refugee camps across the border

>>519032190
genocide is about intent, the numbers are insanely high for what is a ghetto

gaza is not a war it is the warsaw ghetto of the twenty first century

>>519031963
You intentionally ignored the rest of what he said. You've been disingenuous from the very beginning in this thread and it shows the clearest with this post.

>>519032246
>the numbers are insanely high
repeating a lie does not make it true

>>519032242
maybe next time gag ben gvir, smottrich, have the plan not leaked and call your enemy amalek but nice try

as said it is the intent that matters and that one has been openly declared much more so than german high command ever did

>>519032246
I wonder if hamas did something that didn't happen in the warsaw ghetto. Hmm....

>>519022108 (OP).

I mean... to be honest, every part or side will justify collateral damage, whether the damage be miniscule or big, it's that bias is always present in each human being, and it's the nature of life.

Life is not a utopia, and it's always unfair, cold, and harsh. Regardless from where you came from, or regardless of what your background (economical, religion, or political) is, unfairness is here to stay.

The moment your mother gives birth to you, you are already marked for collateral damage, and even before that. This goes for all sides.

Don't worry, I don't defend for subolejayvironism.

>>519032273
this is not something you can haggle about or put on a chicken, you still do not understand but you will

>>519032317
the hannibal directive

>>519032014
Has there ever even been a complete successful genocide? I'm pretty sure genocide is all about the attempt.

On that note the entire so-called "State of Israel" is founded on genocide. The vast majority of people living in the Gaza strip are not "Gazans" as people have been referring to them these past couple years, but Palestinians from throughout the country who a bunch of jew terrorist fucks displaced (i.e., ethnically cleansed) from their land. Many of them still even possess deeds to that land, issued by Britain or the Ottoman Empire, which now has jews squatting on it.

>>519032390
>Has there ever even been a complete successful genocide?
hadrian and titus eradicated the jewish people and some imposters and larping converts took their place

>>519022108 (OP)
>shlomo

>>519032259
Hamas is intentionally embedded everywhere where you find civilians. So as sad as it is, hamas condemns those civilians to be collateral damage. But then again that is their intention. Hamas leadership has stated often enough that they view killed gazans as a publicity win.

>>519032190
That's not even remotely true but whatever, every source that doesn't agree with the Likud line will be biased and antisemitic so I cba to go further with it.
Here is a question you could ask yourself (I don't want an answer):
>How has this little embattled organisation Hamas managed to subvert the entire world from China to the US and everywhere bwteen with its propagandawhen the Israelis have indirect control (or at least massive influence) over the western media, the most effective propaganda machine the world has ever seen?

>>519022108 (OP)
>commit war crimes for us, goyim

>>519025418
Based, make it big enough for 2

>>519032470
israel is a genocidal terror state, they are open and proud about that
when it is inconvenient you hide behind muh 6 million pounds of glycering from 1 million burned alive german soldiers in death factories, a WWI british atrocity propaganda

>>519025619
Imagine being this guy's tailor.

>>519032501
The little embattled organisation Hamas is funded and supported by iran as well as ~2 billion muslims worldwide who don't care about facts but just take the position that's against israel.

do israelis behave like ukrainians because both are jewish or because they are both slavs?

>>519031963
>Dead people, even civilians, in a war?
What about all the kids shot deliberately?
Or the 2500 starving people shot at "humanitarian" distribution centres the IDF directed to be set up in combat zones?

>>519032697
stop haggling about human lifes, go for the intent thats where the crux is
mass murder happens daily in the world

>>519032665
That's an answer. Not a very accurate one, but it fills a place

>>519029445
>Ottoman and British "ownership" was legitimate
>but the jews were "displaced" and are the rightful owners
Holy fucking shit kikes are subhuman trash. And yes, let's go back to when the jews used to live there.
Your kind were "displaced" by the Romans after you attempted three times to exterminate the entire non-jewish population of the eastern Mediterranean. You scum were hunting down and killing infants who had never been within hundreds of miles of "your" land. And even according to your own fucking book you stole that land through genocide in the first place.
And that same pure evil that runs in your veins is what got you kicked out of everywhere else you fled to again and again. And it's the reason why when you returned to Palestine you immediately started slaughtering civilians and stealing their land.
You aren't human. You're evil incarnate with human skin crudely stretched over. And humanity will never know peace until every last one of you has been returned to the hellfire you crawled out of.

>>519022108 (OP)
Well there's 2 sides to every war. And there was certainly some collateral damage coming from the Hamas side of things as well. So I will work hard to forgive Hamas for October 7th. Thanks for the advice Shlomo.

>>519032811
I think they are just base tribalist retards who act like generic slavs and ukrainians.

>>519022108 (OP)
Yes. It's morally justified to destroy civilian targets (if they're non-white) if it cuts the duration of war by an amount where it can be assumed that the deaths of those civilians is less impactful than the destruction of infrastructure and people caused by the war.

It's better to incinerate 100,000 nips in two bombing raids than it is to prolong the war by 5-10 years or invade by land.

Killing civilians puts pressure on the state to sue for peace or risk losing the support of their people/inciting changes of power more sympathetic to the aggressor.

Imagine if Hirohito didn't surrender and we nuked them a 3rd time, or 4th time. Imagine what the Japanese state would look like. It's better to kill a few hundred thousand civilians than a million combatants if it ends the war faster.

>>519032578
>israel is a genocidal terror state, they are open and proud about that
So what does that make gaza? They have stated hundreds of times over the years that their main goal is to kill all the jews and globalize the intifada. Actually clearly stated genocidal intent. On the other hand we have israel who actually has made peace. They even returned land to egypt just to have peace. The israelis are able to have peaceful relations with their muslims neighbors. Nothing so far has shown that the gazans are capable of that. October 7 alone happened during an agreed ceasefire. Broken by hamas as so many before.

>>519022108 (OP)
>By Schlomo

>>519032866
you have such a big heart

>>519032665
Hamas is founded by Qatari billionaires. Iran has very little to do with them.

>>519032923
gaza is a a muslim ghetto in israel

>>519032911
why was the holocaust wrong in your own words?

>>519031741
>the dead kids
still, the number of children killed is lower than their base rate in the population, evidence that israel avoided killing children.
you're applying untenable rigorous standards that would make every other contemporary war a genocide.
>The genocidal rhetoric from israeli politicians, media
for the politicians all I've seen are TDS-tier mischaracterizations
for the media I couldn't care less, the media should be full of rabid nationalists in every country
>starvation
the geneva convention states that it's acceptable to block food, water, medicine, and other necessary items if the warring power believes they will be redirected to enemy combatants. it does not require them to prove this belief, because international law was written for the express purpose of helping nation states crush weak stateless militias with tactics like starvation. nevertheless israel assured aid entered the strip at great risk to its own soldiers. their word is legally sufficient, because the convention doesn't have evidence requirements.
>Bombing refugee camps, bombing aid workers, infrastructure, houses, hospitals, fertility clinics
international law explicitly allows this when the sites are used for military purposes and shifts culpability to the defender using those sites.
you guessed it, no evidence requirement
>ICC
israel and america are not parties to the ICC
>The opinion of genocide scholars
muh experts only works when you treat genocide like an inscrutable mystery
I know "6 million climate scientists" kikery when I see it
not one of these scholars has assessed the situation and done an honest comparison with other conflicts
not one of them would admit the geneva convention explicitly allows withholding food upon mere suspicion of misappropriation, which is why this is the first time you're hearing it.

>>519032046
really? I heard kafkatraps were the last stage of genocide
>>519032311
>ben gvir plan
restorative justice for the jews who were ethnically cleansed from gaza in 2005 isn't a genocide you twat

>>519033037
fuck off, ranjit.
Go eat your daily dose of cow shit.

>>519033027
It wasn't. Assuming it even happened. Human life is not sacred. It has never been sacred. Hadrian decimated Judea in revenge, America destroyed the aboriginals to expand, the French chopped off 20,000 people's heads for shits and giggles. There is nothing sacred about life, and the struggle between life and death, existence and oblivion is the only thing that gives life meaning. Those who die gloriously are honored, those who die like dogs are forgotten.
Grow up, faggot. I don't care about the holohoax.

>>519029651
based

Remember to call shills shitjeets (since they are, Israel can't afford to pay their sissy faggot army 300 shekels a year to shill anymore). And the filter them
Do not engage in a frank discussion with them.
They are 50 IQ slum monkeys that are incapable of doing anything but reading off a script.

>>519032665
ah yes, Schrödinger's Republic as I like to call them. Simultaneously weak and ineffectual, yet an existential threat to Israel. The butt of each joke and the fear that lurks in the night. Somehow this backwards, poor and internationally ostracized country is secretly coercing western media (nearly all verifiably run by jews) into pushing their rhetoric and has the resources to run the world's biggest propaganda campaign. unlike the saintly Israel, which has NEVER been documented engaging in/attempting to push censorship and propaganda at a global scale. Tell me, did you get your $7k by cheque or direct deposit? Nah, who am I kidding! You do it for pennies. The big money is for spoiled kids on tiktok

>>519022108 (OP)
>Schlomo Brody

>>519033114
jewish communist took over bavaria, caused a famine, desecrated churches, seceeded the state, declared a soviet republic in communication with moscow

that was all when hitler was a simple soldier walking the streets of bavaria desu

>restorative justice
woke trash, sippenhaft and obvious genocidal intent

>>519033129
see israelis and jews you are only non guilty by the standards of a guy who defend the holocaust

as said the goose was cooked when you have smottrich and ben gvir run their mouth for 2 years as part of the cabinet

>>519033037
If you actually believe any of that you have legitimate mental health problems
Anyhow as previously mentioned, no time for hasbara bullshit. Stuff it up your arse and go back to r/jewish

>>519033245
>You do it for pennies. The big money is for spoiled kids on tiktok
That's the funny thing.
People always wonder how North Korea can keep an entire nation brainwashed like that and the fact is they can't. Most people comply with the state out of fear. That's why they have as many guards looking in for people trying to get out as they do looking out for people trying to get in.
Israelis on the other hand are brainwashed to the point of being the dumbest fucking shit-for-brains motherfuckers on the planet. Probably dumber than pajeets in most scenarios. Like absolute brain rotted retardation. The speak like fucking cavemen if you've ever talked to one that's how utterly fucking retarded they are. And they are free to travel in and out of Israel. And they'll always go back to eat a Hamas RPG when they're told even if they're in a country that will generally offer asylum to draft dodgers. All so that they can maintain their citizenship with a literal fucking garbage dump of a country.
There is not a more brainwashed shit-for-brains population on the planet than Israelis. And they come here with their tough shit attitude. They aren't tough. They are the weakest motherfuckers in existence. Without US firepower they would have folded long ago.

>>519033586
Adding to this one of the freedom flotilla detainees mentioned, upon returning, how they seemed to just randomly piss themselves every time they heard a loud noise.

>>519033327
I don't like what's happened to this board in the last few years. There has been war between the jews and the Palestinians since 1948. No one cared about when Israel took the west bank, no one created a "general thread", leftists weren't sperging out and sending autistic vegans on rafts for PR then. It's not helping, it's muddying the waters of policy that the we've all agreed on for years.

Treating the war between those two groups as something unique or special is autistic. There are multiple on-going genocides, there's a genocide of Europe occurring according to the definitions of genocide, what is happening in Europe meets definition b, c, and d of Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
Genocide of 1948.

It's bizarre and unsettling to me that /pol/ has become basically neoliberal, left wing faggots who have no conception of the issues at hand. Is it because you're all a bunch of gen alpha/zoomer faggots? What is going on. Is this an ongoing raid? I don't understand why everyone on this board is a retarded faggot nowadays.

>>519033710
you are an LLM being run by an indian shut up

>>519024113
Ds9 was the best trek hands down

>>519022108 (OP)
>Schlomo inadvertently justifies the holohoax
Why are they like this?

>>519033781
>you are an LLM being run by an indian shut up
The jews accuse those against them of that which they are most guilty.
What a fucking weird non-sequitur and clearly an act of subversion.
>mentions european genocide with specific citations of the UN convention on it's definitions.
>UR JUS A LLM

Kill yourself, moshi.

>>519033345
I accept your concession
>no time for it
flounce of savaged pride count: 2

>>519022108 (OP)
As long as their brown it is a moral duty

>>519025561
You say this like Israel doesn't themselves have numerous military establishments in civilian areas

>>519033929
Your arse, matey.

>>519032866
>jews: "ahhh Christians pls help!"
>christians: "no problem, we got you. we forgive both sides"
Crisis averted. Leave them to it.

>>519033982
most if not all hostages were IDF reservist or even active

>>519022108 (OP)
Collateral damage is fine in a fucked up sort of way, you mitigate it where you can but bombing isn’t precise really. The problem here was Isreal was intentionally targeting civilians and aid workers constantly and never tried to hide it

>>519031897
>stop delaying
And there it is. At least you came right out and confessed that the only metric by which the nukes were "necessary" is that they would have surrendered on a different date.
Ike, MacArthur, Leahy, Nimitz, LeMay all considered the nukes unnecessary and that the war was functionally over even before they were dropped. Japan had no navy, a non-functional army, was under a total blockade, and was under threat of soviet invasion. The only reason they hadn't surrendered already is because our government refused to even entertain the idea of negotiating with them. But even with the retarded insistence on unconditional surrender, they were still going to surrender to avoid the soviets.
Not that anyone on either side even believed that it was an actual unconditional surrender. We didn't spare Hirohito because we wanted to. We spared him because we knew the country would explode into an ungovernable insurgency ripe for communist infiltration. And we knew that before we ever dropped the bombs.

>>519022108 (OP)
https://youtu.be/57rMzjIE5l4

>>519034204
>collateral damage
stop buying into their frame, smottrich and ben gvir are part of the israeli cabinet stop besmirching american troops by false equivocation

>>519034211
>they would have surrendered on a different date.
and?
that translates to lives and resources wasted, not to mention the many costs of having a society that values liberty on total war footing for years.
restraint in war is folly.

you guys do realize that ben gvir and smottrich make himmler a moderate in their rhetoric on a good day

thats the israeli cabinett

>>519025561
There's nothing you can criticize one side for that the other side hasn't done. Any attempts at trying to differentiate them just doesn't work.

Both sides are pawns for outside forces to produce propaganda to hurt their international oppositions and boost their own internal morale.

The only winning move is to just not play their stupid little optics game. If they can't resolve the conflict themselves, then they should just be left to continue fighting each other in isolation in perpetuity. Nobody actually cares what happens to either side anyways. They only get involved for selfish reasons or through conflicts of interest.

>>519022108 (OP)
no

>>519034510
Isreal, both its government and citizens, have spent the last eighty years COMPLETELY justifying the historical treatment of Jews up to and including WWII and they have no way of denying that anymore outside of the normal parameters of traditional media

>>519034049
Fuck off you disgusting pajeet

>>519022108 (OP)
>Shlomo

>>519034738
I don't give a fuck about those primitive people, their backwards demands and archaic tribal ways.
They will be devoured by their own hubris and retarded behavior.

What a silly group, they woke up in the wrong millenium.
Bronze age mindset, thank you I prefer the rennaissance.

>>519034738
OY VEY
BUT THEY'VE DONE NOTHING TO VIOLATE JEWISH LAW YOU ANTISEMITIC GOYIM

>>519034387
>that translates to lives and resources wasted
Would you care to explain how maintaining a blockade for a month, maybe two would have been more costly than annihilating two civilian population centers with bombs that cost billions of 1945 dollars? And then explain how negotiating their surrender right then and there would have been more costly than both.

>>519022108 (OP)
>collateral damage is morally justified today when we do it goy
unless the collateral is kikes dying of typhus and starvation in some prison, then it's genocide

>>519035148
>Would you care to explain how maintaining a blockade for a month, maybe two would have been more costly
what do you mean? they were fighting back, sinking the ships maintaining that blockade
some of them had 2k+ men on board
what did you expect me to say?
>negotiating their surrender
there was nothing to negotiate, a threat like that demands unconditional surrender if you have the power to extract it, and we did

>>519035148
I don't debate WWII as it was an aberration and we thought we left it all behind because everybody can recognize that it was too destructive, too much, too high stakes and so forth.

That some try to use it to normalize modern barbarism in low stake, petty territorial dispute seemed tone deaf and kraven to me.

If you want to normalize the exception and stretch its worst aspects to cover for your normative behavior then you reveal how sick and demented your mind is.

>>519029445
Genetics shows that Palestinians are descended from a population that inhabited the region since prehistoric times.

>>519034510
Yeah. It's smaller scale, but more morally disgusting than the holocaust. The Nazis had the decency to feel they should keep it underwraps, especially from the general public. What's been done in Gaza has been open and basically fully supported by Israeli society - which fact is mind-blowing put alongside the "only democracy in the middle east, bulwark of civilisation" flannel you hear

>>519022108 (OP)
no
and that's what held us back from decimating vietnam

>>519035647
Robert Barnes the zionist evangelical lawyer admitted that what israel did was way worse than what the serb leader Milosovich did. That is the pro israel side in the US having to equate Netanyahu to people who have been executed for genocidal actions by international courts.

Sorry at that point you should take a step back and do a hollistic evaluation of what the fuck you are trying to defend.

>>519035943
Oh, i didn't know Barnes was a Zio. But I haven't listened to him in years.
>at that point you should take a step back
A lot of people have. Their base of support is being whittled down to a core of true believers who would rather lie to themselves than face up to the obvious.
To guess, the fall out from this will be a disaster for Israel - even beyond the reputational catastrophe, it will corrode their self identity. That's is what I'd predict will happen

>>519035382
>they were fighting back, sinking the ships maintaining that blockade
In August of 1945? Name them.
>there was nothing to negotiate
Didn't take you long to drop any pretense of giving a shit about anyone's lives. I figured you were a jew, but it's good to know for sure.
>a threat like that
A threat like what? Tell me exactly what Japan was going to do to the US.

>>519036288
The only thing the Jews genuinely seem to believe in is their own fear and self hatred so I don’t see to much changing in their broken mindset

>>519030176
No they didn't.
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/author/shlomo-m-brody/

>>519036319
kek there was no pretense
it's righteous to kill your enemies, faggot

>>519022108 (OP)
Paliroaches aren't civilians. You have to act civilized to be called civilian.

>>519038654
>say "anyone's" lives
>enemies
You already confessed that you're a jew. You didn't need to do it again by reveling in the needless deaths of American servicemen who died serving you.

>>519022108 (OP)
>by Shlomo M. Brody

>>519025642
Abortion pro Max is what he is. Paliroach women getting the long over due abortion should bring him nobel prize.

>>519038933
>>say "anyone's" lives
where did I say this?
liar

>>519022108 (OP)
yes, geopolitically you are in your right to hit 10 times as hard back as you have been hit so the other countries watching dont get any idea and the instigater needs to be punished harder for instigating in the first place.
Kill one of us, kill 100 of them is justified.

>>519039330
I did you retarded, illiterate kike.

>>519022108 (OP)
>Hamas justified
Based kike larpers
Killing all those kike "civilians" was 100% kosher, after all.
Thanks, unit 8200 for another brilliant slide thread

>>519022108 (OP)
>written by a kike
>published by a kike
>posted by a kike

>>519022177
For those who don't want to keep paying Schlomo (fucking kek)
https://web.archive.org/web/20250921110524/https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2024/03/92928/

>>519022129
>>519022177
>posts raw url
i fucking hate nu-/pol/ so much i'm actually posting for the first time in 5 years. this place genuinely sucks now

>>519025920
>There is only one real threat here and it ain't the jews.
You MUST be jewish. Only a jew can ignore the crimes of the jew.

>>519022108 (OP)
This is a remarkable article. Like, it can't be fucking real. But is. OP wasn't exaggerating one bit.
>The deaths of noncombatants are regrettable and tragic, but they are not immoral. If the West has a chance to defeat terrorist groups that fight by no rules, it needs to quickly relearn the necessary moral calibrations that justify death in warfare.

Rules of war should only consist of rules of discipline for your own troops and whatever rules you explicitly or implicitly negotiate with your enemy. Current ‘laws’ are good reference material but it’s ridiculous have two sides be held to the same legal standard when one side is fighting with no limits.

It leads directly to perverse incentives like human shields.

In western influenced nations historically, its customary enemies to communicate and have tit-for-tat rules of warfare, red lines they try not to cross. If a colonel allowed his musket men to pillage and massacre an enemy town simply because it was next to a battlefield, he might be executed by his own general if the enemy objected.

A warring party signals that they aim to reduce collateral damage by not blatantly intermingling with civilians while conducting operations.

Ex, Low tech Militants impacted by a weapons blockade evacuate civilians from a sector of their city and then using underground tunnels to launch inaccurate rocket attacks on an enemy city, this evacuation signals that they aren’t intermingling. But the militants can’t be expected to launch accurate rockets due to the blockade so their enemy needs to accept that collateral damage from the rockets is due to the low tech level they are imposing . However, if militants instead launch rockets from their own dense civilian areas, they shouldn’t complain about counter attacks resulting in collateral damage because they have made no effort to protect their civilians.
If a civilian population is held hostage by a small % of militants and does not agree with their tactics, it’s their responsibility to police the militants or ask the enemy or other friendlier nations for assistance (See Haiti in regards to Kenya).

>>519039613
but you were specifically referring to japs
during ww2
and you called me illiterate kek, a bit on the big old nose there with your projections today

This article justifies dropping an appropriately sized asteroid onto Israel and calling what's left 'The Dead Sea".

>>519022108 (OP)
>goy, here's why we need to bomb more babies
>by shlomo
its real KEK

>>519040431
>but you were specifically referring to japs during ww2
I wasn't and you know I wasn't. But you realized too late that gleefully masturbating onto the corpses of Americans exposed you for the semitic fiend you are.

>>519040840
a single american on one of those battleships was worth more than the entire continent of asia
god damn ESL nigger

>>519025561
Morally there is no difference between "combatants" and "civilian". This is like gangmembers saying they're justified doing a drive-by that kills random bystanders

>>519022108 (OP)
The writer's sole intent is to remind Americans that they have engaged in such tactics themselves, and often enough for it to be considered a standard operating procedure. Schlomo is saying that it's wrong to condemn Israel for doing the same thing in 4K, and that all such condemnations are therefore antisemitic by definition.

This rationale comes from a 'people' (loosely defined) who think they can trick God by casting their sins onto goats and driving them into the wilderness, or bashing the brains out of chickens they've offloaded their excesses onto to clean the slate.

This would have made a fine, effective defense during Nuremburg.

I don't often get like this. I don't much care who kills who in that shit hole of a region. But to see the kike making such shameless appeals knowing full well that this is literally what the vast majority of Israelis, including the diaspora, and literally every Jew in their government thinks is a strong case... it's beyond the pale.

I go further. I always considered this jew-hate/holohoax stuff not to be incorrect or inherently wrong, but rather a swamp that you can't just dip a toe into, but rather a swamp that one needs to swim in and be utterly changed by the dip. So I kept that out of my head and largely ignored it. But articles like this, and moreover current Israeli behavior, are Jewish arms reaching out of that swamp and dragging me in. It's like they are begging the world to gang up and mass exterminate them. Death by Goy.

>>519041064
You already confessed that you don't believe this when you insisted that there was nothing to negotiate. Any amount of American casualties would have been acceptable to you to secure the ultimately completely pointless unconditional surrender. That's the entire reason you kikes started pushing the unconditional surrender meme. To prolong wars and inflict more human suffering because that's what your race of demons feeds on.

>>519041858
There's this scene in James Corey's "The Expanse". The assault team captures the head scientist in a facility whose work is responsible for the deaths of thousands. That head scientist appeals for understanding of the importance of the work they're doing, and he begins to convince the leaders of the assault team. So Miller shoots the scientist in the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHGEZh_-V0A

That's essentially what needs to be done. Someone to step up and flip the board. Because very clearly, Israel is making an utterly convincing argument in that article.

>>519042428
>You already confessed that you don't believe this when you insisted that there was nothing to negotiate. Any amount of American casualties would have been acceptable to you to secure the ultimately completely pointless unconditional surrender.
damn that's some pretty advanced pilpul
in reality the condition was not pointless but in fact necessary
however, we saved many valuable american lives by vaporizing those comparatively valueless enemy lives
you disagree because you value the lives of your enemy more than the lives of your countrymen
>unconditional surrender meme
they did in fact surrender unconditionally, so not a meme. another lie from you.

>>519022108 (OP)
It CAN be morally justified, but that doesn't mean it always is.

>>519043389
>the condition was not pointless but in fact necessary
So necessary our rulers immediately agreed to the one condition they had been staunchly refusing which was the sole justification for prolonging the war. And you still refuse to give any reason why it was necessary. Obviously we both know the answer. You require the suffering and death of Gentiles in order to remain anchored to this world.
>they did in fact surrender unconditionally, so not a meme.
I explained what I meant in the post you're replying to. This isn't even just dishonesty from you anymore. You're full on acting like you're a drooling lobotomized nigger that can't parse the simplest English.
Hurry up and do the world the only favor you can.

>>519044341
>So necessary our rulers immediately agreed to the one condition
it was unconditional
I wonder why you keep lying
>you still refuse to give any reason why it was necessary
that's a lie
>You're full on acting like you're a drooling lobotomized nigger that can't parse the simplest English.
every accusation is a confession

>>519045083
Are you so utterly mindbroken that you forgot that anyone can just scroll up and see how full of shit you are?
Imagine growing up being told over and over that everyone but you are worthless cattle, becoming an adult that believes this, and then going and getting so thoroughly assraped by one of those "goy" on a Mongolian basket weaving forum that you have to pretend to be an illiterate retard to try and save face. What a humiliating existence it must be to be a kike.
I wonder, how often does it cross your mind that when your kind are gone all of humanity will rejoice? And how does it make you feel?

>>519022108 (OP)
Vicariously liable for murder. Eat that Shlomo.

>>519046202
>Are you so utterly mindbroken that you forgot that anyone can just scroll up and see how full of shit you are?
I didn't know it was possible to project this hard, what a disturbing peek into your rotten soul

>>519029926
>The UN has a long history of deep-seeded antisemitism
You mean (((anti-semitism))) just like Herzl and zionism uses it as their source of power? Now represented by golems like fuentes, ovens and alikes?
The forerunner of the (((UN))) was the (((World Population Control ...pardon Congress))) founded by kikes even including spastics like the Rockefellers.The UN is the kikes ultimate bridge for their jewish One World Government. Kike muppet formed it after WW2 and now we can see how the (((left and rightwing))) advancing the UN Agenda 2030 aka Great Reset aka jew planet.

>>519022108 (OP)
Considering Hamas uses schools and hospitals as human shields as standard tactics to elicit public response, I don't see why stopping the enemy to keep killing your civilians at the expense of civilians that support them not legitimate self defense

>>519022108 (OP)
to wipe out terror cells, yes. they delibaretly hide amongst civilian infra-structure to do exactly this. prey on the wests weakness and morals.
the people know they live amongst terrorists. id be leaving gaza real quick but all these people stay.

>>519022108 (OP)
There are no civilians in 5th generation warfare.

>>519022108 (OP)
> by Strull M. Brody
Hostes humani generis.

>>519025561
Okej Arschgeige

>>519022108 (OP)
>colleteral damage bad
well not exactly, we were told that war in general is bad bad bad & naughty. israel gaza conflict doesnt seem to be a necessary war. also jews constantly proselytizing about how they are in all cases the victim & gods chosen people about to bless the whole world with peace, prosperity & socialism, then proceeding to behave like savages, dont know seems like a contradiciton.

>>519022108 (OP)
Only if you're g*d's chosen.

>>519022108 (OP)
Didn't even need to see the name or early life I already knew.

>>519022108 (OP)
>https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2024/03/92928/

he claims its the moral imperative to kill the terrorists because they would cause more damage in the figure. You could say the same thing about the zio terrorist IDF.

>>519034387
>lives and resources wasted

listen to your dumbass only thinking from the america-centric pov.

trash like you are the problem.

>>519053097
Lmao

>>519025561
you don't and just mind your own fucking business instead instead

The world's most moral army

>kills another 100 civilians because Hamas couldn't hand over an Israeli corpse quick enough

>>519039953
only remarkable if you are a retard with no clue about literally the longest standing rule in geopolitics, you kill one of us we kill a entire city of yours has been standard and is justified

>>519054404
It's not 500 BC you psycho

>>519054601
Even then, that was jew exclusive derangement. And they have also always considered "you kill one of us" to include a jew attacking someone unprovoked and being killed in self defense. jews are incompatible with life.

>>519022108 (OP)
The holocoaster was collateral damage

>>519022108 (OP)
NOOOOO, DON'T KILL BROWN PEOPLE

>>519053756
just don't bomb pearl harbor
why can't foreigners figure out this one simple trick