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Trump proposes radical healthcare shake-up that would bypass insurers and hand cash directly to millions of Americans

President Donald Trump has proposed a radical new healthcare plan that would hand money directly to Americans instead of to insurers.

The president said he was recommending the proposals for Senate Republicans to consider as the longest government shutdown in history entered day 39 on Saturday.

In a post on Truth Social, Trump, 79, said the government should stop sending federal funds to 'money-sucking insurance companies in order to save the bad healthcare provided by Obamacare.'

Instead, it should go 'directly to the people so that they can purchase their own, much better healthcare, and have money left over,' he said.

'In other words, take from the BIG, BAD insurance companies, give it to the people, and terminate per dollar spent.'

He added that he believes Obamacare is the 'worst healthcare anywhere in the world.'

>>520915218 (OP)
he's right.
That money belongs to the american people.
Not to insurance companies

Ready for another rugpull

>>520915371
Trumps the only one sticking up for the little guy.
Democrats definitely aren't going to vote for it but it's going to be funny seeing them come up with copes as to why they wont'

The democrats never had an interest in helping americans in the first place. They want to help the illegals and the insurance company

>>520915534
>Trumps the only one sticking up for the little guy.
He is a protector of the common man. A true populist if we have ever had one.

Based but it will never happen

>>520915218 (OP)
How much would people even realistically get? Probably would be peanuts vs the cost of self purchased insurance

>>520915218 (OP)
>He added that he believes Obamacare is the 'worst healthcare anywhere in the world.'
All Obamacare does is force insurers to cover people outside of through an employer. It's literally the same exact health insurance people get through their job. If Trump is saying that Obamacare is the worst healthcare in the world, then he's implying that America in general has the worst healthcare in the world.

>>520915218 (OP)
>put it in an HSA
>insurers jack up deductibles a comparable amount in response
>expires at the end of the year if you don’t use it
It’s a zero sum game
Retard gambit from someone who has never had to worry about health insurance

>>520915811
5000 per person

Wait until he finds out what the hospitals are charging. Why do you think roasty RNs make 6 figures.

>>520915847
>expires as end of year
So the government keeps the money instead of sending it to jew run "health" care? Sounds good.

This is something like the tenth time this term he's said he's going to send out checks from the money made from some policy change. So far he's sent out no checks this term. TACO TACO TACO.

>>520915534
Giving niggers free helicopter money makes prices go up. Insurance companies would just adjust prices because they control the doctors.

Trump looks out for jews and Maxwell. Trump has not released the Epstien files, and Massie will force the Epstien client list to be fully disclosed eventually.

>>520915534
>Trumps the only one sticking up for the little guy.

Have you lost your fucking mind? He said the $ should go to the people so they can purchase their own healthcare ....... who do you think they will purchase coverage from ..... thats right ..the same big, bad insurance companies. Trump followers have the closest thing to battered wife syndrome I have ever seen.

>>520915728
Yes trump is revealing the lie all your democrat propaganda bs has been shelling over the years

Simple search- insurance lobbies. Know what lobbies do? Lube and bankroll congress members. Do you honestly think these reps that become multimillionaires in the span of 12 months after entering office are going to do a single damned thing to cut off lobbies bankrolling them? Looks good for propaganda of oh shucks well we tried to get that done for you isn't our party great but that's all it is. You elected them and they get rich from K Street and you keep them there 40 years so you can be eternal crying victims. You ain't getting shit. You have a ballot. But you ain't got no lobby making rich fucks out of whole cloth. Keep dreaming any of them are for you. You aren't even for you.

>>520915728
If Jeb Bush and John Bolton had a butt baby, 2025 Trump would be the result. He's turned into yet another globohomo loving neocon.

>>520916078
They can do whatever they want with it.

The difference is the illegals can't access it, and it puts health insurance companies in a competition scenario where whoever offers the best deal gets the money.

And if there's no good deal, the people can seek out alternative care options

>>520916041
He's dropping medication prices by 10,000% somehow.

>>520915906
Sounds like a made up number but alright. Still isn't enough to purchase health insurance especially if you're not getting it through a company program

>>520916037
It’s your money
HSAs are fucking gay, just give it to people as cash
Which they won’t because it’s a scam

>>520916211
It's just to make it more affordable.
Healthcare in the US isn't free, even when you dump money into the insurance company's pocket

>>520916174
Illegals should go back to their own countries for healthcare needs or pay cash to treat their aids.

>>520915218 (OP)
>shabbos goy trump, of whom has done nothing other than enrich himself with his presidency, is now PROPOSING doing something other than enriching himself. More news at 7
gonna need more awards for these fags

Orange MIGAtard still doesn’t understand the US healthcare system.

>>520916309
exactly right.

>remove jewish insurance racket
1000% better than ObamaCare. Kang Nigger's RomneyCare was just a handout to Wall Street parasites.

>>520915218 (OP)
republicans are literally retarded now.

>>520916141
Case in point- Nancy Pelosi made $130M in stock profits during Congress career — a return of 16,930%
By Gabrielle Fahmy and Geoff Earle-
And you think they work for you. People. You seriously as a society are this ignorant? Yes, yes you are. I'd feel some pity but honestly you can't fix stupid.

>>520916086
He is finally returning wealth into the pockets of millions, maybe even billions, of American patriots.

>>520915218 (OP)
My health should not be some kikes profit.

>>520916343
Yea where the health insurance companies pay off congress to dump 1.5 trillion into their pockets

Insurers are the reason shit is so stupid expensive, why an aspirin costs 100 dollars and a bag of saline costs 1000.

>>520915218 (OP)
Sounds more retarded than Obamacare

>>520916476
stay seething inbred kike

>>520915218 (OP)
BREAKING: More Trumpslop that will never come to anything.

>>520915218 (OP)
>hand money directly to Americans
Subsidies? If you want inflation you can have it and your sawdust cake too!

>>520916249
It's really funny how the IRS determines how much you can put in your 401k and HSA. You don't stand a chance in this circle jerk. Not a one.

>>520915218 (OP)
that's cool but when will hewill propose to release the Epstein files?

>>520915218 (OP)
hr676 is back?

>>520915218 (OP)
>oy vey!
Or the government could just not print money for any group and prices would crash naturally. College was affordable until government backed (((student loans))) made it so no one cared what schools charged anymore because everyone gets approved for pretty much limitless school loans backed by the government. If that program didn’t exist prices would be a fraction of what they are now, and campuses wouldn’t be filled with women and niggers.

>>520916530
I’m not seething.

>>520915218 (OP)
Trump is Pro-Luigi?!

>>520915347
It'll just go straight to the bankers and bypass the insurance companies!

>>520915218 (OP)
>says anything in order to get what he wants (In this case, appease democrats to end the shutdown)
>never follows through with it
Where my DOGE check and the Epstein files, orange nigger?

>>520916684
that's some deep 'kamala will win' level of cope

>>520916174
>They can do whatever they want with it.
So? That doesn't help. They will only use it for one thing, purchasing healthcare, making prices go up due to inflation. Adding more free money to the system only raises prices collectively.

>>520916667
sure you're not

Lets get rid of homeowners insurance, auto insurance, life insurance.

>>520915218 (OP)
Great, so then the average American doesn't have the big bad insurance companies to tell the doctors what they can charge. Every lawsuit would then be from an individual and the hospital would win every time.

To hell with their corruption. I can die for free. Healthcare can't cure anything. It's a racket. Other than my appendix bursting I don't need anything this system offers. If by chance it does- bill me you fucking pit of snakes. I'll give you a buck a month. I am not buying your product. Ever. I don't support corruption or drug dealers.

>>520915728
we had no choice, Argentina needs that money to help the poor and suffering

>>520916808
No because there are illegals here and foreign interests, and corporations, etc.

Giving the money to people raises their relative economic power compared to those other interests who are holding dollars.

>>520916174
>>520916078
People could also just pay cash and not have insurance at all. Health insurance isn't really necessary since the average person under 40 spends like $2k per year on health and dental expenses.

>>520916959
true another fine option. Cut out the middle man

>>520916841
Enjoy forced bankruptcy and eviction

>>520916821
I am in agreement with you. Trump is the last thing standing between the common man and total obliteration by the hands of Democrats.

>>520915218 (OP)
I'm surprised someone managed to talk him into maybe fixing a genuine problem but his kike and billionaire friends have most definitely talked him back out of this already.

>>520917086
you're seething and this thread is a celebration of yet another L for the libbies

>>520916862
People are dying young lady. You don’t know anything about it.

>>520917137
We are part of the same team anon. Have a good weekend and god bless the patriots of this great nation.

>>520917127
If he proposed it rest assured the ideas came directly from his like billionaire friends. He has dementia. He can’t conceive of a health care plan. He doesn’t understand how anything on earth works.

>>520915218 (OP)
The only reason he's suggesting this is because they're scared they are losing support so they need SOMETHING that would actually help people & not Israel
I really, really, doubt something like this will go through though, he'll probably completely forget he even suggested this by Monday

>>520916897
>No because there are illegals here and foreign interests, and corporations, etc.
what? The fore gin interests and considerations stay the same and get more money through direct payments from people paying full cash out-of-pocket for their healthcare. This raises prices. Illegal mexicans got nothing to do with it, since they already pay out-of-pocket.

>Giving the money to people raises their relative economic power compared to those other interests who are holding dollars.
It causes inflation. Inflation happens when you give money to people and their relative economic power increases, so the other interests holding dollars also increase prices relative to the relative amount of new money. At best nothing changes, at worst (and most likely) prices rise.

>>520917202
Good stay on your knees libtard and speak your submission

>>520916200
Shouldn't be hard considering healthcare kikes hiked them up 10:000%

>>520917280
The direct cash payments thing is actually an Obamacare idea stolen from Romneycare that the ACA was modeled after, and Massachusetts stopped doing direct payments because it caused prices to quintuple and made healthcare way too expensive. This is what caused the first wave against Obamacare in the first place.

>>520917330
no you don't understand economics.

When you give people money, they get more relative economic power. If you don't understand that, you are probably a democrat.

>>520915218 (OP)
Gibs?

>>520917433
>When you give people money, they get more relative economic power.
No, when you give people money companies charge more. This is exactly what Democrats try to do, it's what Democrats have always have done, and it's why everything is so expensive now. This is what Biden did and it's why I vote Republican.

>If you don't understand that, you are probably a democrat.
Giving people free money for healthcare is a Biden program. You're supporting liberal policy.

>>520915728
Poor people aren't "the common man".

>>520916897
>>520916808
If people are encouraged to pay cash, healthcare prices will go down since people could just choose to go somewhere else to buy healthcare. Healthcare is expensive because either governments (single payer) or a corporate cartel (health insurance companies) control prices. If healthcare was a service that could be bought just like any other, the prices would be far less than they are now. Another idea would be to give incentives for people to become doctors and surgeons. Surgeons, good ones, are in extremely high demand due to demographic factors. We need more of them, so to incentivize more of citizens to become surgeons, give special tax incentives. Like no income tax for the first 10 years you start practicing.

this is a Jewish cash giveaway to illegals

>>520917552
You're pointing out that inflation exists, we agree on that, but you still need to concede that the payments will increase the economic power the group the money goes to.

The fact you can't won't or don't understand it means you are a democrat

>>520915843
Different employers have different health care plans you dope. Then a lot of employers will charge you extra from each of your paychecks if you want the extra stuff like dental and vision, where as other jobs/employers will simply include it at no extra cost. Tell me you’ve actually had to go through the health insurance system whether it’s personal, privatized or governmental, without telling me you have.

I’m a student right now so I use marketplace and get my insurance for 2.67/mo. I’ve got some medical expenditures and they cover everything, even medications (depending on the pharmacy who will sometimes try to scam you by saying it’s the insurance charging you, not them. Case in point, I can go to smiths pharmacy and get my lithium with no co pay, but if I go somewhere else like CVS they want to charge me $30+tax.

TLDR it’s all fucked man

>>520917681
I agree that they matter less, and you are right—there is nothing common about being poor, especially in this great country. The common (average) hardworking man is benefitting greatly under this administration by way of greater purchasing power, lower electric bills, and cheaper goods basically everywhere. I was personally shocked at how quickly tariffs started filling my pockets with expendable income, and I’m tired of complaining democrats with their fake news bullshit

>>520917768
No, the payments do not increase economic power. Inflation eats it immediately. This is why direct payment methods, price ceilings, and price controls in general do not work. This goes for the demand side as much as it goes for the supply side. Adding money into the system does not help people. It only makes prices higher.

>>520916838
The average American could go and shop around the country for the cheapest, high quality care. Telemedicine would enable them to even shop overseas. Hospitals would become just like any other service.

>>520918106
nope you're a democrat confirmed

>>520915218 (OP)
So instead of paying insurers, he's going to directly pay the people?

But then they just have to turn around and pay the insurance companies anyways again because healthcare providers are going to fuck them over anyways. Then we're just at square one where the people are overpaying scam healthcare and insurance premiums.

Yes predatory insurers are a problem but the bigger problems is just the pharmaceutical companies and doctors themselves have monopolies on the entire market and are overcharging 10x - 100x for everything.

Trumps scheme is a just a mental gymnastics stunt to get rid of the affordable care act again.

>>520918106
>No, the payments do not increase economic power. Inflation eats it immediately.
Why would they not shop around? The cosmetic surgery industry is what happens if insurance companies and the government is not involved in healthcare.

>>520915218 (OP)
this shit never made sense to me
>pay a haggler subscription in case you need haggling
>procure third party service
>third party overcharges you because you have a haggler subscription
>haggler haggles
>pay for the service after haggling
why not just pay the fucking doctor a lower price?

>>520918336
>Yes predatory insurers are a problem but the bigger problems is just the pharmaceutical companies and doctors themselves have monopolies on the entire market and are overcharging 10x - 100x for everything.
This doesn't happen in the cosmetic surgery industry.

>>520916684
>gets to rape prime young Aryan pussy
based kike

>>520915218 (OP)
>have to get brain surgery
>pay $500 for outpatient cost
>insurance pays $380k
um no thanks I have good insurance

>>520918407
>Why would they not shop around?
They do. But all American healthcare is owned by 3 companies that operate as a cartel. They command prices and all decisions go through them. So if you give customers 5% more cash to buy healthcare with, all prices are adjusted up by 5% or more. Even if it was not a cartel, in a free market all the healthcare suppliers will just raise prices if consumers suddenly have more money.

>The cosmetic surgery industry is what happens if insurance companies and the government is not involved in healthcare.
Cosmetic surgery isn't necessary and Americans are not dependent on cosmetic surgery to keep living. These are not the same, at all, and most cosmetic surgeons are jews who are allowed to legally disfigure boys' genitals for the tranny agenda.

>>520915218 (OP)
>the government should stop sending federal funds to 'money-sucking insurance companies
Hey, cool it with the antisemitism there, sport.

>>520918684
Catastrophic plans will always exist. What we are trying to solve is the $500 for a bag of sterile saltwater issue

>>520918407
>doctor doctor, HELP! I don’t like my tits and I need emergency cosmetic surgery RIGHT NOW. I know the procedure is expensive but you HAVE TO DO IT and I’ll pay it back later OKAY?
>if I don’t get this face lift I will literally fucking DIE so I will double mortgage everything to do it and I will pay you back okay?
Yeah I wonder why the elective cosmetic surgery industry might be functioning differently, it’s basically the exact same.

>>520915847
paying for routine healthcare via insurance is completely and utterly retarded

>>520915218 (OP)
Anything would be better than the system in place now.

>>520918836
>But all American healthcare is owned by 3 companies that operate as a cartel.
There are plenty of independent medical practices that are cash only. I used to work with one. Again, the cosmetic surgery industry shows how this actually works in practice.
>Cosmetic surgery isn't necessary and Americans are not dependent on cosmetic surgery to keep living.
Correct, but the cosmetic surgery industry is to show what happens when there isn't an insurance cartel setting prices. Most americans don't need expensive surgeries all that often either, and those that do are typically older.
>and most cosmetic surgeons are jews who are allowed to legally disfigure boys' genitals for the tranny agenda.
I was unaware hair transplants and lipo were part of the tranny agenda.

Just fucking nationalized the shit. Tired of paying 20k a fucking year

>>520915218 (OP)
>hand cash directly to a nigger
I don't think this will work the way he thinks it will.

>>520919377
How does the cosmetic surgery industry circumvent the costs of the cosmetic surgery emergency room? Where does that money come from? What about the maintenance of the in-house cosmetic surgery morgue when the tummy tuck falls through? If we could just transfer this knowledge over to our hospitals we might solve the issue at hand.

>>520919004
What are you trying to imply here? Lets take your retard argument at face value. You've fallen and broken your hip. You need surgery to fix your hip to walk again. You went to the ER, where you met your $3k deductible and now have to pay your $15k OOP at 30% coinsurance. The total cost without insurance is like $50k. Alternatively, you could hop on a plane, and fly to a reputable cash clinic in Mexico and have the procedure done for like $10k.

Which makes more sense? Consider how often you break your hip btw.

>>520915218 (OP)
Good job Trump. Cut those middle men out.

>>520915811
Yup its about $4,200 per person for 10 million people. Food stamps on steroids.

>>520919713
Imagine that there is a society of people of roughly 400 million people. Now imagine that 4% of these people require emergency surgery each year, which is a lot of surgeries! Okay now imagine that some of these people can’t pay the costs of the surgery. How do you get that money back?

The fact that you are unironically comparing elective cosmetic surgery to the medical system at large is just funny to me. Your suggestion that Mexican surgery is a comparable, desirable alternative is a little less funny but still funny.

>>520919700
The only part of your argument that holds water is the ER side. Once you are stabilized, you can travel to wherever the cost of treatment is cheaper. Whether that is in the country or foreign is up to you. How much do you really think emergency care and morgue services actually cost when insurance companies and the government via Medicare aren't setting rates? What's the actual market rate?

>>520919377
>There are plenty of independent medical practices that are cash only.
No there aren't. Go out and try. There just isn't because nobody can afford $2000 for a few hours with a doctor. When you really need healthcare, it starts in increments of $1000. Giving people more money to deal with this will just cause companies to raise prices. It is not a free market.

>Again, the cosmetic surgery industry shows how this actually works in practice.
So you worked at a botox place. Life-saving medical care like insulin management or dialysis isn't a botox injection. If a dialysis patient skips a $1500 fluid change, they die. If one of your patents skips an injection nothing happens.

>I was unaware hair transplants and lipo were part of the tranny agenda.
Yes, they are. Why else would doctors want to cut boys balls off? So they don't go bald. All cosmetic surgery is for and by the same rotten jews who force trannyism on us. And the ultimate cosmetic surgery is genital reassignment surgery anyway.

>>520919957
Maybe you can set up a fund where people can donate their trump checks and pay out to people who need the money when they break their hips

>>520920003
The emergency part is the major component of the argument. There are tremendous costs in the general healthcare system that a privatized boutique cosmetic surgery hospital doesn’t have to consider.
>what’s the actual market rate?
For American care, it’s high. The market rate is higher than Mexico’s, you can be assured of that. Insurance companies obviously gouge consumers, but the actual costs of these things are increased because of the unpaid debt in the medical system. The notion that we can use elective surgery as a model for what privatized unregulated medical care would look like is just stupid.

>>520915218 (OP)
>Trump, 79, said the government should stop sending federal funds to 'money-sucking insurance companies

>>520920003
>Once you are stabilized
Many patients can't be stabilized until they get surgery. If surgery starts at $40,000 they are ruined. Trump adding another $4,000 in helicopter money does not make the surgery any cheaper, and when a person is strapped to a gurney and in serious, uncontrolled pain they will agree to anything.

>How much do you really think emergency care and morgue services actually cost when insurance companies and the government via Medicare aren't setting rates
Emergency care with a white doctor is about $500/hr and end-of-life care is usually $800/dy depending on the amount of life support. This is without insurance with Tri-Care direct payments to the VA only. Even at cheap government controlled prices everything is expensive because competent white male doctors charge a living wage. Adding helicopter money into this, does not make them charge lower prices.

And again this can be best seen at the VA with Tricare where the government controls all the money, but everything is still expensive because the skilled labor, devices and hygienic housekeeping are not free.

>>520915218 (OP)
Ban insurance and prices will immediately drop.

He's going to nationalize the insurance industry.

reddit tourists should be shot

>>520919957
>Now imagine that 4% of these people require emergency surgery each year,
The number of people requiring emergency surgery is not that high. And keep in mind emergency surgery means everything from stabilizing a broken bone to open heart surgery. Its meaningless. How many people a year need intensive and intrusive surgery to save their lives in an emergent care setting? A good place to start would be the number of MVAs and heart attacks and strokes every year. Assume that each of these incidents are treatable (some result in death immediately). Once you have those numbers, which will be far lower than 4%, move on to the demographics of who have those incidents. Remove emergent care due to criminality (for the perps, not the victims), since they could be considered the same as suicides since they are willingly done.

Once you have done all of that, calculate how much it would cost to join an membership organization where you pay a nominal fee each month in exchange for access to emergency services. The model would be similar to another other private subscription service, where you pay a hospital chain, such as Christus, an amount per month to access their services. This already exists in a small scale with family doctors that practice concierge care.

People who are too poor or have chronic conditions would quality for medicaid or something like SNAP but for healthcare.

>>520919957
Hay jaime, pull up the number of Healthcare administrators vs doctors over time....


Hint: Healthcare administrators have increased by 6x while doctors has increased 2x.

>>520920836

>Once you have done all of that, calculate how much it would cost to join an membership organization where you pay a nominal fee each month in exchange for access to emergency services. The model would be similar to another other private subscription service, where you pay a hospital chain, such as Christus, an amount per month to access their services. This already exists in a small scale with family doctors that practice concierge care.

This already exists nationwide. This is private healthcare. The "membership organization" is the insurance company. Kaiser, Sutter and United are "membership organizations" and they are insurance companies. Competing with all three are difficult because they have the most money, and most economy of scale, so they can offer the lowest prices. Your "family doctors" and "concierge care" charge the same prices per hour and most of them refer anything big (like dialysis or surgery) to a member hospital .. aka an In Network Hospital.

You have described insurance companies who are causing the problem to begin with.

>>520921105
>Competing with all three are difficult because they have the most money, and most economy of scale,
Actually competing with them is difficult because hospitals and doctors are very aware of how the insurance system works, so they milk it as much as possible with unnecessary procedures to generate a bigger payout.

>>520918336
This gives people more options and increases competition in the market.

>>520921200
Economy of scale is the largest factor. Any pill that is mass produced, and a company like Kaiser buys them by the truckload so manufacturers like J&J give them the lowest price. Family doctors have to buy by the case, so they pay higher prices because J&J will not negotiate with them. They are told what the medicine prices are and must accept it. Helicopter money doesn't fix this.

>>520915218 (OP)
>Trump proposes
He's been 'proposing' to repeal and replace Obamacare for 10 years now and still hasn't done it.

>>520921403
>he doesn't know

>>520921403
No it doesn't. It takes away options as all doctors collectively raise prices, because they can. No doctor will ever lower prices, because it is bad business. Healthcare is a business. Healthcare is not a charity, unless you're a roman catholic in a catholic hospital where illegals are all born.

>>520921478
It might not reduce the current prices for doctors, but you might not pay $100 for an aspirin in the emergency room.

Is he going to make public hospital across the country that any citizen can use? If not then it's going to be a massive shitshow that will benefit the jews only in the long run.
Also
How many posts by id that migger has already?

>>520915218 (OP)
Health insurance is a ponzi scheme that milks the young & healthy to support the old and infirm. There are not enough healthy young people to keep the ponzi scheme going. Even the young people aren't particularly healthy. 75% of the USA is overweight or obese.

There simply aren't enough young healthy people to subsidize the healthcare for the unhealthy people because the vast majority of the population is unhealthy.

Trumps idea of just giving money to people wouldn't work. Because what's really going on is that 20 people are buying catastrophe insurance that they will never, ever, use, and this money is then being funneled into one sick person. If you simply give those 20 people their share of the money, then the sick person won't have enough money. There's no way his plan actually works. Unless we just decide it makes economic sense to let the sick people die. Which is worth debating.

>>520915218 (OP)
It's Trump, so it will be yet another scam that only benefits jews.

>>520916174
The important part is that the illegals can't access it, which is like having a leak in your boat, because 8 billion people.

>>520921555
You will still pay $100 for aspirin because you won't say no when you're in the ER. The only way to reduce prices is to not go to the ER, which is a very difficult ask for many people because the cost of retaining a private doctor is so high vs a large, multi-use facility like a hospital.

>>520921875
The difference in price between insured vs cash and the spectacular waste of bureaucracy and margin with the health insurance industry says it all really.

>>520920444
>many patients can't be stabilized until they get surgery
True, but most surgeries don't actually cost $40k. That number is from a combination of factors. but the base cost of the surgeons time, the allied health staff's time, the tools and supplies needed and the real estate for the emergency room does not work out to $40k. If it did, you'd have tens of thousands of people trying to become surgeons, since just practicing for 5 to 10 years would lead to an early retirement. Most of those costs are from artificial factors, including the artificial limiting of medical doctors by lobbying groups and med schools.
>the organization is an insurance company
Wrong. BCBS and United Healthcare don't own the hospital systems. What I'm proposing is something where you pay a hospital or hospital group money directly. Insurance companies exist to give you access to care over all over their network. Paying a hospital directly only gives you access to that particular hospital or chain of hospitals. It is cheaper to setup and run a hospital or emergency room than it is to setup and run a health insurance company. Consider how many freestanding ERs there are versus how many insurance companies there are.
>>520921419
>economy of scale is the largest factor
No, the inability to buy meds from overseas is the main factor. A pill that cost $500 in the US costs like $50 or even $5 in the third world. US based healthcare providers must use US approved (aka insurance lobbyist approved) pharmaceutical suppliers.

>>520915218 (OP)
OP, 27, who is a known faggot, decided to kill a thread today

>>520922288
Insurance, pharmaceutical, abd healthcare providers must be powerful. Its the only reason I can as to why there isnt bipartisan support in reforming healthcare in the States. Doesnt matter if you're pro or anti universal healthcare, you all get screwed.

>>520922288
>US based healthcare providers must useUS approved (aka insurance lobbyist approved) pharmaceutical suppliers.
To add to this, this is why aspirin or ibuprofen in an emergency room costs 20x more than aspirin or ibuprofen in a retail setting. This is even worse with shit like epipens. You can cross the border and pickup an epipen for like $60 versus $600 here. Pharmaceutical companies are massive kikes.

>>520916684
The insurers are basically useless middlemen when it comes to the government handing money to pharma and hospital conglomerates.

>>520922672
They are a massive lobby. Probably just as powerful as the MIC. One of the few redeeming things about living near the border is the ability to have cheap healthcare by just crossing the border.

>>520922958
stop calling it insurance. your car insurance doesn't cover oil changes.

The shutdown isn't happening because of healthcare for American citizens; it's happening because of healthcare for illegals.

Israel is being funded and SNAP is cut for millions of americans during the shutdown. He cut 1 trillion with a t in healthcare with his big bullshit bill. If y’all take any zio don says as any thing other than propaganda at this point i could invite you to join Jim Jones or Heaven’s gate as well.

>>520923572
> it's happening because of healthcare for illegals.
explain without being retarded. all emergency rooms in hospitals are supposed to cover any patient under law signed by republican ronald reagan.

>>520915843
The US does have the worst healthcare / money spent ratio on the planet though
Not even exaggerating. Literally cheaper to go full commie universal free healthcare

>>520924128
Dems imported millions of people to be a slave class for the rich. They socialize the costs of these people, particularly their healthcare needs, onto US taxpayers. Without US taxpayers paying for this, hospitals in these cities would go bankrupt from all of the illegals. Repubs grow balls and demand an end to this. Rich people tell the dems to tell the repubs to fuck off. Dems shutdown the government and are now holding air travel in the US hostage.

>>520921555
It's not the insurers charging you 100 for an aspirin, it's the doctors themselves.

>>520917355
you're actual cattle

>>520924672
>its the doctors themselves
Wrong. Its the insurance companies forcing the doctors to charge you $100 for aspirin. When I worked in the ER, I've told people that they are better off just going down the street to an urgent care.

He said he would eliminate income taxes too. I think he means he will give healthcare loans.

This didn't work out too well for education. Healthcare Fannie Mae will destroy healthcare. Musk will have to import doctors from India to keep his Indian workers healthy.

>>520924967
Not a doc btw, just a lowly RN.

>>520924672
Well you know that's wrong because of the cash vs insurance price.

>>520915534
Saint Donald

>>520924320
we have obese sheboons to subsidize

>>520924672
lol
lmao even

>>520915218 (OP)
Finally somebody willing to do something about it without just crushing and melting it.