Thread 81463375

Why have apartments gotten so fucking expensive?
I live in an area that was known for a lower CoL, I rented my first place for less than 600 bucks back in 2019 and it was a two bedroom. Moved out a while ago, checked online and now a one bedroom goes for $1k, 2 bedrooms for 1.2
How the fuck are people affording to exist?
A friend of mine is renting for $1.3k in the fucking ghetto

They have to have roommates, the idea of living by yourself or maybe with a gf is beyond many people. It's basically prepping for the pods, getting people used to the idea of having no privacy and sharing everything. Soon even an apartment will be too expensive.

>>81463375 (OP)
I can only survive because my parents pay my rent. I don't know what I will do when they stop.

>>81463375 (OP)
>How the fuck are people affording to exist?
They aren't
You'd be mortified at the amount of debt the average "middle class" American is in right now

No idea, but they need to do something about it quickly

>>81463413
This
Sad thing is that the average Joe won't do anything about it
They'll shrug their shoulder and say "that's life" or "it is what it is" as they get in the pod to eat their bugburger

>>81463375 (OP)
All my friends are either living with parents still or if they had moved out prior, chose to rent a room after their apartment got too expensive. One buddy was paying $1800 for a one bedroom until he just had enough

>>81463375 (OP)
my rent has gone up over a hundred and thirty quid, council tax has gone up as well, wages have risen slightly but not by much. Just a shit show really. In the yoookay I can afford this shit studio but I cant really afford to go bigger, I literally have the bed in the same room as the kitchenette. Ive made it cosy in here but its still crap really. At my age my dad could buy a house, I cant even afford a living room. Dont really want to live with others I really dont like it but its the pod or sharing and I'm too neat and tidy to share it really stresses me out having to trust people to clean up after themselves (they never do) Women are fucking bad as well for it. Thing is I work a semi important government job in threat checking wogs and youd think I could afford a fucking extra room but noooooooooo.

seperated by thousands of miles but we share the same issue, the west is unironically falling.

>>81463375 (OP)
ZOG is trying to suffocate the average American financially. Expect many people to start going homeless and/or die of starvation within the next few years

>>81463375 (OP)
if you live in area with a lot of illegals
your rent went/is going up
9/10 illegals are renters
they have to live somewhere
majority living several people to a room
6 to 8 in room all in bunk beds

>>81463494
Damn
Yeah, it's bad in a lot of places
I don't even want to think about Canada's situation right now

>>81463431
Fucking jews I swear to god. Where I live you won't even make 60k in 5 years, much less have a bank agree on lending you that much money. The thing is, this is some american bullshit, but because it's a "first world power" it affects all of us who don't live on a country with the same perks (i.e. just get a loan lawl)

>>81463494
>california
a room costs $1000 here
a studio is about $1700

>>81463516
pissed off about canada, I have family dating back to the 1840s over there, owned some mines and even have a mountain peak named after us and it was my escape plan until it utterly fucking imploded on itself.

>>81463494
>Thing is I work a semi important government job
Ohh so you're on the inside...

You could make a difference anon. Think about it

>>81463608
thats fucking mental, its not good here but I have no idea how americans cope, suppose you could always fuck off to wyoming or something and you can play with guns and the great outdoors. Can't really do either of those here, they destroyed our countryside and guns are layered in an annoying amount of bureaucracy, suppose california's are as well you have shit gun laws too.

>>81463640
potentially, id have to rise through the government wagie ranks first. They have it set up in such a way that no one knows what other departments do, overheard higher up ''officers'' (basically just managers but for some reason they all have officer titles so they can feel special) talking about how its weird they dont know what others do in the building, ive asked the ''executive officer'' whos one above me and he said they just dont know, we have access on our keycard only for our small department and no other area and if you try to get into other places security find out and its a sackable offense, getting trained on national police computers in a few weeks. It sounds spooky but its just a glorified wagie office job thats actually really boring.

>>81463516
Imagine being a teen trying to find your first job in Canada
Grim

>>81463505
Already In my city it's old people aimlessly roaming the streets cause they're homeless, too weak to work, and have a drug habit to cope. This should be their golden years, but all that work just to suffer.

>>81463505
This
I advise anyone here to keep in touch with family and close friends just in case shit gets even worse

>>81463727
It does sound spooky, it really makes you wonder what is so important it deserves that much security and secrecy hmm. Not pressing you to say it tho, as a fellow anon I appreciate keeping some things out of the Net too.

>>81463821
I dont have too much to say really as ive only been there since early may but they do get very skittish over stuff, like if you dont have your pass on youd be stopped and questioned and potentially held to confirm you actually work there, if there is a car in the carpark that they dont recognise they send security out, gotta put in like 3 lengthy as fuck passwords just to get into my computer and thats before trying to get into any software. I do wonder what they hide. They have security everywhere as well that constantly eye you up. There was apparently a bomb evacuation at the building a few months prior to me starting which is kinda wild, they also sometimes get groups of protesters which hover near the main entrance.

>>81463939
I hate to ask and feel free to not answer but what does your day to day work consist of? Spreadsheets and data?

>>81463729
wow it's white genocide

>>81463729
Jesus
Imagine the smell

>>81463962
pretty much, which is why Its just a glorified office wagiedom, fuckers cant even pay me enough to get a living room. It gets so dull though, past 1pm its a fight to not sleep until I finish at 4, literally nod off. I miss being a park ranger that was comfy, outdoors and fresh air but the pay is so bad Id have to get room mates.

>>81463375 (OP)
Software-assisted price collusion

Remove all immigrants from the country. Legal and illegal. Watch the prices of houses and food drop astronomically. We're out of room, sorry Patel, sorry Pablo.

>>81464028
How would that solve the problem of landlords raising rent prices to the maximum that people can afford?

>>81464109
They'll get desperate and lower the prices. Can't keep them high forever.

>>81464119
>Can't keep them high forever.
Americans have proven that they'll accept any kind of treatment

>>81464119
Yes, they can. Clearly, you don't understand late-stage capitalism. Prices never go down. That would be called "deflation," and it's considered an economic disaster.

>>81463514
>implying
blaming illegals for rent pricing is a standard republican bullshit talking point. illegals circumvent the lease entirely, why the fuck would that cause landlords to raise the average price of rent in all areas of the US? Obviously it's the housing market itself is becoming predatory and realty companies just want to squeeze as much money as possible from the average renter. Has nothing to do with Eduardo and his five cousins in a shitty townhome down on the southside.

I've lived in several countries and the way rent is handled is simply better in other places. Here, even in "affordable housing", the landlord charges the maximum amount possible while doing the bare minimum. I'm ending a lease early this week and not only do I have to pay a lease breaking fee, but I also have to pay upwards of two months rent extra so that they can "find a new tenant". Realistically that should be the responsibility of the landlord, but of course, the burden is passed on to the renter and backed up by the law.

>>81464119
What are people going to do? Just not pay rent and become homeless? Lol.

>>81464109
under cutting, remove all that demand from the illegals and landlords will end up with empty units and bills to pay (remember most landlords are paying mortgages for their rental units) and they'll want to get someone in the unit as soon as possible, even undercutting other landlords in the area.

>>81464109
Because greed isn't setting the price of goods
Supply and demand is


Do you remember how in 2020 the price of various things dropped? Like there was a shortage of toilet paper, but the price of new cars, gasoline and plane tickets all dropped. Do you think that gas companies just got less greedy in the summer of 2020 and that's why you could fill up your car for cheaper during the start of COVID?

>>81464159
>Because greed isn't setting the price of goods
>Supply and demand is
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>Do you remember how in 2020 the price of various things dropped? Like there was a shortage of toilet paper, but the price of new cars, gasoline and plane tickets all dropped. Do you think that gas companies just got less greedy in the summer of 2020 and that's why you could fill up your car for cheaper during the start of COVID?
This entire argument is cut off at the foundation from the fact that rent prices went up during the pandemic

>>81464128
>>81464130
>>81464145
So what are we supposed to do then? Overthrow the government? Riot?

>>81464130
Capitalism will end any day now. Soon people will understand that Soviet Communism is the future and it works.

>>81464159
How is housing not inelastic demand? Also why you comparing the price of travel during a time where everyone was staying home to housing? That is not the same at all.

>>81464170
>Overthrow the government? Riot?

>>81464166
price of new cars went up because of the chip shortage, since all new cars use chips for their various computer systems. Demand for used cars spiked the price of them as well.

>>81464170
Yes. The reason why both Obama and Trump won the presidency is because they gave the illusion that they were reform candidates. "Change." "Hope." "Make America Great." All of that, from the left and the right is the same message with the same delivery: "We know that you're unhappy, so we'll lie and say we'll change things."
Reform won't come from Business Party Red or Business Party Blue.

>>81464170
Delet building regulations for residential construction

>>81464166
https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/market-snapshots/2020/market-snapshot-weekly-average-gasoline-prices-in-canada-reach-lowest-level-since-2008.html#:~:text=Release%20date%3A%202020%2D04%2D,six%20week%20decline%20since%202008.
>Weekly average gasoline prices in Canada dropped to 80.2 cents per litre (c/litre) on 21 April 2020. Overall, pump prices fell by 27% over the past six weeks (10 March 2020 to 21 April 2020) representing the largest six week decline since 2008.
How is it cut off at the foundation?
Here, let's put it this way. You explain to me why the price of gas dropped by over 25% during March and April based off of a model of prices being based off of greed, and then I'll explain why rents went up during COVID from the lens of Supply and Demand

>>81464202
do you want shitty 1800s style tenements with 8 people to a room? No it's zoning regulations that landlords fight to get introduced that make it hard to impossible to build more housing in cities because it keeps the supply artificially low.

>>81464139
>11 million illegal immigrants enter the country
>hey why is an affordable place to rent so hard to find
illegals will live several people to one apartment and split the rent you fucking idiot. what do you think dumping an extra 11 million people into the rental market will do to it you dumb fuck.

>>81464243
yeah but that's still a lot of places being rented, even if they are packing the units.

It's quite simple. Not enough apartments are being built to cope with population growth thanks to NIMBYs stopping new construction so the price of that which is available goes up and up because of competition.

Look at Tokyo where NIMBYs are powerless - rent is super cheap and new stuff is being built all the time. I know people in their 20s with shitty jobs who can still afford to live alone in Tokyo.

If you want to help solve this, get involved or at least vote in local politics. Support ANY new apartments being built. Because there's such a huge shortage, the market rate apartments being built will be expensive, but the more that are built, the cheaper they'll get. This recently happened in Austin and now there's a glut of supply and rents are crashing.

That's not to say migration doesn't play a role too, but cities used to grow denser naturally when more people came to live there. Now they're just frozen in time because homeowners have too much power.

>>81464243
>11 million people caused the avg price of rent to rise in every single part of the continental united states
>even though them splitting the rent would not affect the landlord's take home revenue whatsoever in an of itself
>nor would it push out the average renter considering the fact that most are living in bottom of the barrel arrangements (i.e. a trailer park, unrenovated shit townhome, or a motel)

If anything, the fault would still be on the landlord for renting to someone without proper ID/paystubs/credit, which again, would not itself cause the avg price of rent to rise. Illegals taking up housing here does not create +$2,000 a month high-rise living communities downtown. Nor is it the cause for your average house being converted into 4-5 studio apartments by a realty company. That's simply the housing market's response to renters in general, and it's shown time and time again that they're siphoning as much money as they can away from renters because it's easy, lucrative, and there's very little legislation to mitigate it.

>>81464478
>completey ignores poor whites and blacks being unable to have low income housing now because democrats decided dumping 11 million brown slaves into the country was more important than them having a place to live
wow i really wonder how the democrats lost the working class vote

>>81464273
yeah no shit. it turns out dumping 11 million people into the country exhausts the limited housing supply for people who need low income housing. as if the democrats ever gave a fuck about them in the first place.

>>81464782
Couldn't that amount of people just build more houses?

>>81463626
>pissed off about canada
How do you think I feel? I live in this shithole.

>>81463729
>Imagine being a teen trying to find your first job in Canada
All the jobs that white teenagers used to do are now done (poorly) by middle-aged brown retards. I remember in the early 2000s going to a KFC and it was all these cute blonde high school girls behind the counter. Now it's all ugly fillipinas and pajeets so of course I never eat there, not to mention the price of a bucket of chicken is about what I paid for my first used car.

There's a reason why they legalized marijuana and now we have a government licenced "weed store" on every streetcorner.

>>81464939
Teenagers have a hard time competing with people's who's choices are being deported back to India or working minimum wage at a food service job.

>>81465037
How the fuck has Canada not collapsed in on itself?

>>81464936
>uhhhhh let me just change the subject i guess hope nobody notices
youre a fucking faggot

>>81465238
It basically has, desu

>>81465511
Toronto has Fallen

>>81465516
But how the fuck did so many jeets get there?

>>81465541
Canada's open door policy and welfare.

>>81465037
>never ending brown slaves yayy!!
this is what democrats want america to be like next

>>81465541
>But how the fuck did so many jeets get there?
Canada is the test case for how fast they can speedrun White Genocide before an armed revolution happens. Pretty damn fast, as it turns out.

>>81464936
No. Boomer NIMBY homeowners do everything they can to stop building more housing or denser housing because restricting supply pumps their home's value. California is the easiest state to cockblock construction thanks to the state's ridiculous amount of red tape/regulations. It also has tons of illegals, compounding the problem.

Also despite all the talk about how much they love diversity these virtue-signaling libshits don't actually want the brownoids they're inviting across the border to live near them. That's another reason to not build more housing and force the help to have longer commutes. They want Pedro to come mow their lawn while his wife Juanita cleans the house, they want it done cheaply, then they want the help to fuck off out of sight and out of mind until they are needed again.

>>81464170
>Overthrow the government?
Basically. You need to get the bourgeois class and the managerial class out of power, and mandate a stable money supply.

>>81465541
9 years of Liberal government. They basically just opened up as many loopholes as they can to allow them to come here and work.

>>81465896
looked like you were finally going to get rid of them then trump had to go make comments about annexing Canada to make the boomers vote liberal again.

>>81465920
The Conservatives would likely have done the same. Liberals, Conservatives, and the NDP basically all have the same platform with minor cosmetic differences.

>>81465541
It's not just Canada. It's more noticeable there because they had a smaller population to begin with but (((they))) are unleashing the Pajeet bioweapon in America too. In my Midwestern flyover city we had almost no jeets 10 years ago. It was like Apu in The Simpsons, they didn't exist outside of certain gas stations. Now they are fucking everywhere.

>>81463647
>its not good here but I have no idea how americans cope, suppose you could always fuck off to wyoming or something and you can play with guns and the great outdoors.
Still hamstringed largely by work. If you have a remote job and don't mind moving thousands of miles, then it's doable, but for a lot of people they're bound by family or work opportunities
Just to throw salt on the wound though, a shitload of rich and powerful that CAN afford to do that are buying up a bunch of land and houses in places like Montana and Wyoming with a few hundred acres each
As costs go up, the rich are going to the few places poorer people could reasonably purchase land and a house at. Wish they just stayed in their costal enclaves and fucked off.

>>81463375 (OP)
Everyone is being priced out of home ownership, meanwhile the economy keeps circling the drain.

>>81463375 (OP)
my city has $10k houses!
however
>they are burned out
>they are unfinished
>they are in the middle of literal niggerhell
>you get woken up by gunshots every day
>shoddy 1940's rowhome architecture
guess my city

>>81463450
what should the average joe be doing about it

I'm moving from my $1100 month apartment into a $600 month room with private bath in a shared townhouse with 3 other people

Very grimm... I wish I could down size to a studio that is like $800 but none exist

>>81467548
If you're already living in the ghetto why the fuck wouldn't you want to move into one of those homes, instead of sharing apartments with the ghetto people.

>>81464139
>>81464478
Anon, this is one of the most basic principles of economics: Migrants cause the demand for housing to increase more than the supply increases, hence the price increases.

>>81463375 (OP)
>Why have apartments gotten so fucking expensive?
Mass immigration pushing demand up while price controls & red tape limit supply.

>>81467548
>guess my city
Is it Detroit? Do I win a prize if I guessed right?

>>81463375 (OP)
>Why have apartments gotten so fucking expensive?
Because landlords (and Blackrock) deserve the rope.

>>81463431
From what I found online it seems that the debt to income ratio is 3/2:1.
>you make 50k/or
>your debt is somewhere around 100k-150k

>>81463375 (OP)
I live in the ghetto and my rent is about 1.3k. I live with my mom and sisters. Rent is split three ways but I pay a larger % than my mom and oldest younger sister.

People with capital are squeezing those that have to rent out of their income because it's easier than doing anything productive with the money.

>>81463375 (OP)
I have never seen things get cheaper. Everything only gets more expensive. Price fluctuates occasionally, always settles higher than it was. The demand for everything cannot be infinitely increasing.

Rentlords are in engaging in price-fixing.
https://youtu.be/TIvqb_-eKWQ?si=tRzrTIRehs_QQC7p

You voted for this

America is a failed state

>>81467561
If everybody just collectively stopped working, even for a few days, the system would come a halt and we could make demands. But the average person would just say I have bills to pay or I have kids. Not knowing that your kids(and all of us really) will be better off dead anyway if we don't put a stop to this. Things will be exponentially worse if people just keep on keeping on. People say it's strong to just ignore it and keep working, but that's weak in my opinion.

>>81469901
the main issue is a lot of places now require either a higher than average deposit, higher or equal to the monthly rent as the fee, or both.

>>81465833
Massive retard. shut up

>>81463375 (OP)
>Why have apartments gotten so fucking expensive?
Uncontrolled capitalism from decades of pro-big-business politicians. Gen X and the Boomers have all the power and they consistently decide to make everything difficult for younger people by rejecting changing the status quo. Remember this: we went to the Moon with garbage 1969 technology. We can do anything if we try; humans are simply that smart. All problems that don't involve breaking laws of physics are solvable. Therefore, all current problems are the result of individuals choosing to NOT solve the issue. The solution already exists and in many cases has existed for decades. Why isn't housing affordable? Because certain people don't want it to be. It could be affordable next month if we wanted. Why is no one doing anything about climate change? Because certain people are profiting from fossil fuel usage.
>How the fuck are people affording to exist?
They aren't. Small percent of the world population lives in true destitute poverty, another massive chunk live in relative poverty, and then a small amount live in rich nations with a decent standard of living. Even within those rich nations like the USA, a huge number of citizens possess sizable debt or live a paycheck to paycheck lifestyle.

tl;dr old people and billionaires ruined everything with greed