I think it is abundantly clear that feminism is increasingly achieving all of its goals as a female supremacist movement. So the question becomes: what can we do about this?

Multiple things can be done, but gaining political power with the express purpose of using it to further male interests will be a necessary component. Looking for suggestions about what goals should be achieved in the first stage to gain popular support among men, here are some ideas:

>Abolition of alimony, passing marriage reforms similar to what was recently passed in China where assets are divided based on who payed for them, not 50/50 (ending divorce rape)

>Ending all government funding and benefits intended to benefit "women owned businesses" or businesses that hire a specific amount of women. End funding for scholarships and educational programs that are specifically for women. Auditing businesses and universities to end discrimination against men in hiring and admission.

>Forcing a policy of either illegal abortions or financial abortions for men. If a man is not made aware of a pregnancy, he does not owe child support. If a man is made aware and requests and abortion, and the woman refuses, he does not owe child support.

>Forcing immigration to be massively or entirely female. This policy is more for propaganda, as it forces a bad response from feminists. Either they don't fight it, in which their position is degraded by having to compete with immigrants in the same way men have to compete, or they fight it and we can call them racist hypocrites.

>Outlawing dating apps

>>81505109 (OP)
^ Interested to hear if other people have suggestions for changes they want made or political policies that would be in men's interests

All the current political movements are for men, stop imagining muh oppression and improve.

praying for total female defeat

>>81505133
>Women getting more degrees, scholarships, jobs, and homes than men.
>75% of homeless are men. 90% of prisoners are men. 92% of work place deaths are men.

When we seize control of the state we will put you in a public brothel for our pleasure

>>81505109 (OP)
The opioid epidemic effects men way more than women too, mostly from guys who did hard physical labor and ended up hurting themselves and then on pain killers. Helping those people helps guys.

>>81505109 (OP)
These are excellent ideas. I'm not sure what else I'd include but I'm excited to read other anon's ideas in this thread

>>81505109 (OP)
It is a man's duty to protect women. A woman has no duty to anyone. The main problem with women is that they enjoy the advantages of both tradition and feminism. They only destroy gender roles they view as harming them, but want to keep the ones that protect them. We should push for a true, stable egalitarianism while encouraging the development of productive gender roles.

>>81505171
>Women getting more degrees, scholarships, jobs, and homes than men.
Gee, sounds like men need some purpose. Has nothing to do with women.
>75% of homeless are men.
Gee, sounds like men need to learn to care about uplifting other men. Has nothing to do with women. Also more women (~383 million) live in extreme poverty than men (368 million).
>90% of prisoners are men
Gee, men should stop being to impulsive and follow the law. Has nothing to do with women.
>92% of work place deaths are men
Gee, men should stop removing and regulations from jobs and give appropriate measures for work safety. Has nothing to do with women.

I'm waiting to see when a Men's movement focuses on issues that men have instead of being retaliatory towards women.

>>81505109 (OP)
>Outlawing dating apps
Outlawing dating apps would just mask the underlying social problem of serial monogamy. We need to shame people for running through each other and advise them to take a more gentle approach to finding love.

>>81505940
I love how prone women are to victim blaming

>>81505940
>Society leaving millions of men at the margins of society has nothing to do with women

>>81505991
>Men are taught for hundreds of years by other men that they're supposed to be the providers and warriors
>Modern society doesn't care for that anymore
>Men have lost purpose and as a result are seen dispensable
>"Perhaps we as men should adapt and change male culture to be more understanding of the issues men go through?"
>Wrong, blame women
You were born to be a statistic

>>81505940
Women are getting all of those things because the major institutions discriminate against men when it comes to admissions, funding/scholarships, and hiring practices. Women have gained these at the cost of both men and meritocracy.

The poverty stat comes from world poverty, which no one cares about. In the USA more men live below the poverty line than women.

>>81506030
Don't you have a war to deal with, schlomo?

>>81506046
>Don't yo-ACK!

>>81506030
>Yes everything is going great in today's society and no one has any complaints except for men

>>81505940
Feminism really is all about making sure women are never held accountable, huh

Why does no one ever mention the fact that women as a group have never contributed positively economically in all of history? Someone pull up the graph that shows that women never contribute to taxes in their entire life. A crack addict neet contributes more to society than the average woman. Reparations when?

>>81505940
>men aren't going to college because they have no purpose
I'm pretty sure it might be because we're giving women government money to go to college, and society encourages and pressures women for le feminism while ignoring men because of le stopping mysoginy
>Gee, sounds like men need to learn to care about uplifting other men. Has nothing to do with women
Men provided roofs for women when men were in power. Now that women are in power, you feel no obligation to do the same?
>Also more women (~383 million) live in extreme poverty than men (368 million).
Gee, seems like women don't care enough about uplifting third world women to get the 20% percent of men in power to do anything about it. It's almost like feminism is a first world problem and it doesn't benefit feminists monitarily or authority-wise to help the global south.
>Gee, men should stop being to impulsive and follow the law. Has nothing to do with women.
Crime is caused by poverty and being excluded from society. Most criminals are not women because women are given jobs and included in society more.
>According to the LinkedIn Gender Insights Report, female applicants are 16% more likely than men to get hired after applying for a job and 18% more likely than men to get hired for a stretch job. However, they also applied to 20% fewer jobs than men.

>Gee, men should stop removing and regulations from jobs and give appropriate measures for work safety. Has nothing to do with women.
It shows that the top percent of men running things care more about women than they do men.

Society is built by men, yes, but for women. It's a misandrist patriarchy. Men are means, and women are ends. It's like nature: one alpha chad collects all the resources and power, and the males who can't compete get beat up and trashed.

>>81505991
Admitting that men study less because society abandoned them and not because they chose it would be the same as admitting that women have historically been stupid and uneducated because society abandoned them.

>>81506030
>Men are taught for hundreds of years by other men that they're supposed to be the providers and warriors

We don't do what we're taught, we do what we feel... Stupid pseudo therapy bullshit.

If men or woman doesn't do something or have a hard time living within the laws or the culture then there's something wrong about it.

There's no reason for women to work, but if you want your gdp to increase you got to get them to do so. Rewarding them for doing so with pointless degree that give an illusion of status and an illusion of freedom with a little bit of money than they'll do it. The man will work no matter what so it doesn't matter. But the society as a whole is in bad health as a result. Distant families, low birth rates, bad relationship between man and woman, clash of power between both of them, and so on...

>>81505109 (OP)
>I think it is abundantly clear that feminism is increasingly achieving all of its goals as a female supremacist movement.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Trump is president. For the second time. Abortion is now illegal in many places, in what used to be called the land of the free. Manosphere views and influencers are mainstream, a big portion of the population has an instant, visceral negative reaction when merely hearing words like feminism or feminist lingo.
The chuds are currently winning by a huge margin, not the feminists. The victim-mentality is crazy to me.

>>81508258
Nah OP is right, Trump and Manosphere stuff became popular because men realized what was happening. Feminism basically ran the culture since the 70s, there is a lot of damage to repair. Trump is making good progress by wrecking gynocentric universities, but we can't lose this momentum. If AOC or some other democrat suit gets back into office when he leaves shit will continue to get worse for men. There needs to be a decades long campaign to reverse the damage feminism did to society. That or a civil war, but war hurts men more than anyone.

>>81505109 (OP)
>outlawing dating apps
there goes my only attempt at finding a boyfriend who can tolerate my social ineptitude

>>81506030
kys tryhard

>>81505109 (OP)
All of the politics are male you retard. Males have goals and women are retarded as usual.

>>81505109 (OP)
Ending no fault divorce is already being talked about. Pairs nicely with other marriage reforms listed

>>81505130
I got a better simpler idea, we starve the government of mens blood and demand the world.

Do nothing. Let more men become disenfranchised and turn to crime. The barbarians don't need to be at the gate, they can be brewed at home.

>>81505109 (OP)
I'm glad people are starting to talk about this and I hope there is some improvement.

>>81508366
>>81508371
No, these lead to violence and conflict that are bad for two reasons: One, the people who win might not have men's best interests at heart. And two, domestic violence and civil war is not in men's interest. War benefits men when it can be used on external nations to take resources and women, but civil war will just be men killing men.

That said, I think if civil war did break out and men organized for their own interests we could see outcomes much faster than through normal ways.

The psyop worked on me and all I want to do is be some girls simp

>>81505109 (OP)
None of that will happen, the west is a gynocracy and it will die. There's no salvaging such a profoundly rotten, unjust society. Men will just walk away from all of it and women will be left to fend for themselves. They could have stopped in 1964 if all they cared about was equal rights, but women just wanted a war with men. Women are simply anti-male, that's just their nature.

Any society that lifts the boot off their neck dies in a few generations because women immediately become hostile, no matter how privileged they get.
They are an evolutionary failure and incompatible with the future of humanity.

>>81508694
>doing nothing leads to violence
>btw I have men's best interest at heart <3 tee-hee

You're a pretender. You're a dumb whore who thinks men will lift a finger after they've been nagged into being Nietzsche's last men. Rot and fucking die, eat mud cookies and die of a common cold you fuckhole.

>>81508694
That is OK. Its a necessity, because on top of women our worse enemy is also other men within who support this current state. Useful idiots need to be pruned.
>>81508735
Also this. Its a lost cause but civil war can be used by other nations to learn and course correct.

>>81508769
You are a knuckle dragging retard. Society runs on men's labor, and if men stop the system will crash. But when the system crashes violence will take its place, and men will have to be the ones doing and suffering that violence. I'm not saying men should just continue simping for a culture that exploits them and sees them as disposable, but that they should seize the power they rightfully have earned through their labor. If you want to stop working fine, but do it in a way that furthers your interests like a general strike tied to some demand. You might be to retarded to realize this, but men are the ones who die and suffer when wars happen and society collapses. You can reforge society by destroying and remaking it piece by piece, rather than dousing the whole thing in gasoline and hoping your preferred system rises from the ashes.

>>81508798
This is a fair point, men who support the current system may need to be pruned. But a fair amount of them are brainwashed. We should try and save who we can (and a larger movement is more powerful anyway), and we can go to war with the remaining cucks and women. We save who we can, weak men are culled, and women are put back in their place.

>>81508815
I wipe my ass with your insincere dogshit self-serving female opinion. Rot and fucking die. Anyone who falls for this bullshit ever again deserves what they get.

>men will have to be the ones doing and suffering that violence
>men are the ones who die and suffer when wars happen and society collapses.
A fantasy laced with empty threats, I don't care about dying anyway. We all die, including you. It's just that you are obviously have more to lose and don't like the way things are headed.

It's amusing how the first thing that comes to your mind is men dying when things are not going your way, that's just so female-coded. I think that's why you made the thread in the first place, to arrive at the point where we can just talk about male suffering and death.

Here, have some. You like that shit, don't you?

We can't get a pro-men political movement because other men will fuck it over for a 1% increased chance in getting pussy

>>81508924
Any pro-male movement will be just another fake ass controlled op to prolong this miserable limbo so that women can keep extracting what little there's left and keep twisting the knife.
Fuck any course correcting, fuck a refund, I want to see it go all the way. No walking away from what they started.

>>81508874
Oh I see, you are just trolling. Idk why you keep saying I am a woman.

Yes, men suffer more when wars happen. Wars are essentially all caused by women's drive for hypergamy. Resolving these issues with controlled violence is better than widespread war.

That said, I don't think war isn't a valid option. If it comes down to it war presents numerous opportunities to brutalize foids which would be very satisfying. But the primary outcome of war is dead men, and men like you are the ones who would probably die first.

That is because you are just a rotted husk of a man, pathetic and purposeless. You like to wallow in your own misery. You try to spread it to others because making others miserable is the only way you can feel even slightly powerful. You are the product of a fucked up society that treats men as worthless, and so you have internalized that and become truly worthless. You are welcome to rot and die, but I'd rather live in a world where the natural order has been restored and I can live with dignity as a man, even if I have to labor for it.

>>81508996
>Idk why you keep saying I am a woman.
Give me a fucking break, huh?
>numerous opportunities to brutalize foids which would be very satisfying
That's just your own projection of how you feel about men.
I don't want to brutalize you, I don't think I would even have it in me. Even the idea makes me feel a hint of guilt, because that's just the way I'm built. The way we're built, I think most guys are like me and they're more or less made to be taken advantage of.

No, I want to see you live an infertile dud of a life, grow old, rot and sink in this toilet you fuckholes and jews have made for yourselves.

>more psychobabble babytalk shit
Totally not a woman btw

>>81505109 (OP)
a classical leftist movement should seek to overthrow the current ruling aristocracy and the petit aristocracy comprised of liberals, foids and chads. it should reject liberalism and marxism as reactionary movements that are more interested in opposing and weakening revolutionary movements than they are of overthrowing the current ruling class. it should also recognise liberalism as being a key part and enabler of the ruling class rather than merely as a form of ineffective opposition to it. it should also recognise the middle class as natural rulers due to their adherence of the golden mean in physical, mental and material strength. it should recognise hierarchies as inevitable and the domination of the middle class man over women, proles and aristocrats as the definition of civilisation. it should seek to oppose israel as being both aristocratic and liberal. it should oppose individual rights and human rights as being liberal fictions that seek to undermine leftist movements and defend aristocrats. above all, it should recognise the need for ideological conformity for leftists to ensure that collective action is effective and directed at the outgroup rather than the ingroup, preventing infighting that has befallen leftists and qutbists in the past.

>>81505133
>>81505940
this is exactly what foids do, they try to undermine actual leftist movements by telling them to focus on dumb retarded things with dumb ineffective solutions.

>>81508846
In an idealistic scenario that would work, but the problem is useful idiots will always be useful idiots - you do not want easily persuaded people (regardless of side) to be kept around. You need intelligent people with firm convictions that will not be swayed

Identity politics is cringe, I take pride in the fact as a cis straight white man I am literally the only demographic not screeching and crying for victim status and more special privileges and entitlements.

If someone treats me unfairly or like shit, I will just state the facts of the matter and if you agree I should continue to be treated like this you become my enemy and that justifies me doing whatever I want to you in retaliation. However at no point will I claim I am a "victim", homeless people, people with cancer, all those children raped by the indian and pakistani immigrants you let in, they are actual genuine victims. Imagine pretending you are like them so you can get a bigger share of social welfare. You people disgust me.

>Israel gets obliterated
>weird pro-male threads appear
I'm just gonna tap the sign.

>>81505940
>Also more women (~383 million) live in extreme poverty than men (368 million).
>There's 200% more homeless men than women? Well, there's 4% (FOUR PECENT) more women in extreme poverty compared to men, gotcha!

>>81509123
holy npc tier answer